tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray

[IceB]

Hopefully.

I have tried the described workaround, but indeed none SSIF maintained.

PowerDVD couldn't read the BD.

[masodes]

you have to demux the tracks you like from your original bd first.
in a new job you add all the demuxed tracks and your new audio tracks and mux them to blu-ray disk.
after that, you can mount it with dvdfab virtual drive. ssif should be maintained.

i have done this with several movies so far and it worked!

[IceB]

you have to demux the tracks you like from your original bd first.
in a new job you add all the demuxed tracks and your new audio tracks and mux them to blu-ray disk.
after that, you can mount it with dvdfab virtual drive. ssif should be maintained.


However both ways I get only 2 x m2ts files in the STREAM folder of the final muxed BD with no SSIF folder.

masodes, Thanks for the assistance with your first post ;)

EDIT:
I have just added to the empty box the related MPLS from the 3DBD. The SSIF was picked up accordingly. Then I have removed several subtitles and one audio track without tuching or inserting anything else and muxed it as a Blu-ray disk.
The is no SSIF folder on the muxed BD.

EDIT#2 - the answer is found in the tsMuxer changelog :

version 1.12.2(a):
- add 3d bluray support. Bluray muxing activated automatically if MVC substream appears in input tracks.
To reduce HDD space, tsMuxeR doesn't produce ssif file, only a couple of .m2ts files. ssif files can be
creted on the fly in DVD fab using "create mini iso" menu item.
- add ability to mux to ssif file directly. It is not supported in GUI, but you can provide .ssif file extension

[masodes]

you can't see the ssif folder on the muxed bd, because tsmuxer does't create a ssif folder at the moment.
therefore you need dvdfab virtual drive to create a mini-iso of the muxed bd folder and then you must mount this mini-iso.
on the mounted bd you should now have the ssif folder.

but for me it did not work if i muxed the 3dbd in one job (open mpls from 3dbd - remove unwanted tracks - add new tracks - mux to bd)
at first i had to demux the 3dbd - only the tracks i wanted to use - an then i muxed a new bd by adding all these demuxed tracks and some additional tracks (like different language audio tracks).
at last i created a mini-iso with the resulting bd folder and mounted it.
if you wish you can also create an iso of the mounted mini_iso with imgburn or something like this.

[IceB]

masodes, thanks again.

tsMuxer + DVDFab miniso + imgburn ISO = working at PowerDVD and the easiest workaround for the 3DBD remux as for today.

physic, thank you for the implementation THUMBS UP !

Please create the code to get the 3DBD ISO remux from within the tsMuxer.

[skydancer11]

Hi, recently I remuxed 3D BD movie with added subtitle using latest version, everything went fine except the subtitle presented without the "3D effect", without the depth.
in 3D movies remuxed using older version ( can't remember which one) of tsMuxer, added subtitles shown WITH depth.
Any comments?

[Cedvano]

Hi, recently I remuxed 3D BD movie with added subtitle using latest version, everything went fine except the subtitle presented without the "3D effect", without the depth.
in 3D movies remuxed using older version ( can't remember which one) of tsMuxer, added subtitles shown WITH depth.
Any comments?

Have you change the '3D offset' option ?

[skydancer11]

Have you change the '3D offset' option ?

I tried with and without the 3D offset option, same result.

[int1422]

First,let me say thank you for making such a usefull program and FREE.
I only want you to please make it full Drag and Drop,cause it's not at this moment. I normally drag a file to tsMuxeR icon on the DeskTop and it opens with the file in it.
Now it does not," it opens but empty.
It's much faster when you work with several program at the same time for editing.

[yoshi_5]

Hello,

I've got a foreign version of a 3D film which I'm trying to replace the foreign audio with English audio. I'm trying to keep everything untouched on the backup copy of the disc except for the main feature audio. All items are on my physical hard drive. Below is what I've tried:

Using version 1.12.14(b) I have demuxed from the proper playlist which created the MVC and the H.264 files and also the foreign audio file. I then add the 2 video files to tsmuxer and instead of the foreign audio, I use a copy of the English audio I have and click on "Blu-ray disc" option then mux them together. The foreign audio is completely removed and NOT added!

Once complete I replace the original two .m2ts files with the two newly created .m2ts files in the STREAM folder of my untouched backup folder. I rename the .m2ts files to match what was originally in place from the original file structure. I then use imageburn to create an .ISO file from the entire backup movie folder where the only thing different is the two muxed .m2ts files.

Once the ISO file is created I mount with virtual clone drive. In PowerDVD13 the movie plays like it should. At the main menu if I select 2D the English audio plays as it should. But at the main menu if I select 3D the foreign audio still plays!!! Why, why, why?

From reading through this thread it's my understanding that the .SSIF file looks at the two .m2ts files for audio/video. If I've muxed the foreign audio OUT and replaced it with English, why do I continue to get foreign audio?

Is there something I'm doing wrong? Is there a reason the 2D audio is working properly but the 3D is not? Is the main feature 3D audio stored somewhere else? I wouldn't think so?

I hope I've been able to provide as much detail as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!:thanks:

[skydancer11]

Hello,

I've got a foreign version of a 3D film which I'm trying to replace the foreign audio with English audio. I'm trying to keep everything untouched on the backup copy of the disc except for the main feature audio. All items are on my physical hard drive. Below is what I've tried:

Using version 1.12.14(b) I have demuxed from the proper playlist which created the MVC and the H.264 files and also the foreign audio file. I then add the 2 video files to tsmuxer and instead of the foreign audio, I use a copy of the English audio I have and click on "Blu-ray disc" option then mux them together. The foreign audio is completely removed and NOT added!

Once complete I replace the original two .m2ts files with the two newly created .m2ts files in the STREAM folder of my untouched backup folder. I rename the .m2ts files to match what was originally in place from the original file structure. I then use imageburn to create an .ISO file from the entire backup movie folder where the only thing different is the two muxed .m2ts files.

Once the ISO file is created I mount with virtual clone drive. In PowerDVD13 the movie plays like it should. At the main menu if I select 2D the English audio plays as it should. But at the main menu if I select 3D the foreign audio still plays!!! Why, why, why?

From reading through this thread it's my understanding that the .SSIF file looks at the two .m2ts files for audio/video. If I've muxed the foreign audio OUT and replaced it with English, why do I continue to get foreign audio?

Is there something I'm doing wrong? Is there a reason the 2D audio is working properly but the 3D is not? Is the main feature 3D audio stored somewhere else? I wouldn't think so?

I hope I've been able to provide as much detail as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!:thanks:

If your goal is replace audio / subtitle track in the BD, leaving everything else untouched then do this:
1. Drag main mpls file from original BD to tMuxeR (you can find it using bdinfo)
2. Drag new audio track to tMuxeR
3. Deselect the audio track you want to replace then UP new audio track to the same place
4. Set new audio track language
5. Create new BD
6. Create ISO from new BD folder and mount it (in order to get SSIF file)
7. Copy SSIF file from the mounted ISO to the SSIF folder of the original BD, then rename it and replace original file
8. Copy 2 m2ts files from mounted ISO to the Original BD stream folder in order to replace the existing files
9. Copy 2 clp files from mounted ISO to original clip folder replacing existing files (rename the files of course)
10. Hex edit mpls file from new BD folder in two places where you see "00000.m2ts" and "00001.m2ts" so it would match the original pointed m2ts files.
11. copy the edited mpls file to original BD.
11. create ISO from original disk, mount / burn then play. Good luck
It's not really a guide you gotta know whats your doing to follow this lines but it works.

[yoshi_5]

If your goal is replace audio / subtitle track in the BD, leaving everything else untouched then do this:
1. Drag main mpls file from original BD to tMuxeR (you can find it using bdinfo)
2. Drag new audio track to tMuxeR
3. Deselect the audio track you want to replace then UP new audio track to the same place
4. Set new audio track language
5. Create new BD
6. Create ISO from new BD folder and mount it (in order to get SSIF file)
7. Copy SSIF file from the mounted ISO to the SSIF folder of the original BD, then rename it and replace original file
8. Copy 2 m2ts files from mounted ISO to the Original BD stream folder in order to replace the existing files
9. Copy 2 clp files from mounted ISO to original clip folder replacing existing files (rename the files of course)
10. Hex edit mpls file from new BD folder in two places where you see "00000.m2ts" and "00001.m2ts" so it would match the original pointed m2ts files.
11. copy the edited mpls file to original BD.
11. create ISO from original disk, mount / burn then play. Good luck
It's not really a guide you gotta know whats your doing to follow this lines but it works.

For #6 above, what software am I using to create the SSIF file?

Furthermore, can anyone explain why if the foreign audio is completely stripped how it is still playing?

Thanks for the help!

[physic]

Hello everyone!

I continue with ISO. Unfortunately, I have not much time last couple of week and I don't finished yet. I believe ISO is finished by 2/3. So, I need 1 or 2 extra week to finish it.

[SubJunk]

Thanks for the update and hard work physic, no rush :)

[skydancer11]

For #6 above, what software am I using to create the SSIF file?
SSIF file created "on the fly" during ISO from 3D BD folder using
dvdfab virtual drive miniso option (free), dvdfab bluray copy.

[hndts]

Hello everyone!

I continue with ISO. Unfortunately, I have not much time last couple of week and I don't finished yet. I believe ISO is finished by 2/3. So, I need 1 or 2 extra week to finish it.

Many thanks Big Mr. Roman!

Can you concentrate to make offset option for subtitles?
In the old and the latest release (tsMuxeR_1.12.14b) I can see the "3d offset" space but there's only "zerro" and "blank one without value there.
How can I choose the offset as my wish?

[IceB]

Hello everyone!

I continue with ISO. Unfortunately, I have not much time last couple of week and I don't finished yet. I believe ISO is finished by 2/3. So, I need 1 or 2 extra week to finish it.

:thanks:

[physic]

hndts
I'll start with features and bug fixes after ISO. I'll do new version to the next weekend most probably.

[yoshi_5]

SSIF file created "on the fly" during ISO from 3D BD folder using
dvdfab virtual drive miniso option (free), dvdfab bluray copy.

I followed your 11 steps and for whatever reason (could be my Hex Editor skills), could be because I moved and re-named so many things I lost track? But either way, it didn't work.

I decided to simply replace the 2 .m2ts files and the 1 .ssif file and give that a try and it worked! I left everything else in the BD structure alone and made no other changes. I now get English audio on both the 2D and 3D features of the movie.

But this definitely does make me believe that there is audio stored (somehow) in the .ssif file. I'm not sure how, but if I'm to believe what I've read that the .ssif file just looks at the .m2ts file for video/audio, then after I stripped out the audio from the .m2ts file I should have had either English or no sound at all, instead I got the foreign language. I'd be very glad to understand why a little bit more if there are any experts out there. But otherwise, I'm very glad to have the English audio track working on my backup.

Thank you again for your help!

[hndts]

hndts
I'll start with features and bug fixes after ISO. I'll do new version to the next weekend most probably.

Thank you very much!

Waiting for your work :)

[minhjirachi]

Need to try.

[vjkdigital]

New member, be gentle,

Been reading through the posts and noticed mention of the audio delay here, and a fix posted here at (http://avchdvideos.blogspot.com.au/p/joining-my-avchd-videos.html). However Ive gotten a bit lost as to if the newer version has been fixed.

In my tests it has not, and after a hour or so the delay is about 3 seconds or so making the footage pretty unwatchable. The camera is a Sony HDR-XV550 set at FH quality.

Using the fix above does not work for me as some of my Muxed files count up to 400 or so and the end file is sized at about 23GB. While the fix solves the audio problem, it does not cope with 400 files, and wont allow me to chop the file up to 1GB bits or set chapters like the GUI does.

I'd love some suggestions or perhaps some settings im missing that may help me out.

:thanks:

[HWK]

I have a problem when using this tool to remux the Avatar film. When I add another audio to the stream and mux it. After that, I use the BDInfo to rescan my bitrate and I got the different with the original. And it has changed the rec rate from maximum to a half. So how to fix that problem?

BDInfo by default doesn't scan SSIF files. Also tsmuxer doesn't rebuild SSIF files yet and from what I am thinking it is scanning avc view of avatar only. Which would explain why bit-rate plunge to half.

If you are not sure upload screenshot of BDInfo and setting when scanning avatar movie and then I will be able to tell for sure what is happening.

[minhjirachi]

Nothing complain.

[physic]

ISO feature almost finished. I'll upload new version at Sunday for sure.

[Cedvano]

Good work, I hope this version.

[hndts]

ISO feature almost finished. I'll upload new version at Sunday for sure.

Waiting for your work on Sunday!

And waiting the next thing:
3D Offset:
1. Keep original
2. Zerro = 0
3. Other options

Thanks!

[Capsbackup]

Waiting for your work on Sunday!

And waiting the next thing:


... and DTS Express support. ( demux / remux ) ;)

[damorsoft]

Just wondering exactly what this will accomplish.
Is it going to create a 1920x1080 interleave file, aka bluray
Do I make a left eye right eye first then create the ISO.
Thinking of those 50g 3d movies and would be nice to make a 25g 3d movie, Is that where we are heading?

Thanks

[SquallMX]

Just wondering exactly what this will accomplish.
Is it going to create a 1920x1080 interleave file, aka bluray
Do I make a left eye right eye first then create the ISO.
Thinking of those 50g 3d movies and would be nice to make a 25g 3d movie, Is that where we are heading?

Thanks

Yes, the ISO feature will allow for BD25 3D but you will need a proper MVC Encoder in order to do the proper bitrate reducción

[hndts]

Thinking of those 50g 3d movies and would be nice to make a 25g 3d movie, Is that where we are heading?

Thanks

It's not
To convert 50g to 25g, you should use dvdfab

[HWK]

It's not
To convert 50g to 25g, you should use dvdfab

Dvdfab, are you kidding me. Do quality comparison and you will soon know how bad it is. I did transformers 3, pacific rim and few more with dvdfab 9 (yes, I choose high quality in setting) and I still could tell difference between like night and day. At least for me I prefer mainconcept mvc encoder although it is not the best, compare Sirius Pixels mvc encoder(formerly cinema craft) but certainly miles better than dvdfab solution which they come up with.

Also don't get me started on invert of colors and compression in version 8 and version 9 compression algorithm which in my opinion is implemented in really poor manner and for results let just say I don't want to think off.

[SquallMX]

Dvdfab, are you kidding me. Do quality comparison and you will soon know how bad it is. I did transformers 3, pacific rim and few more with dvdfab 9 (yes, I choose high quality in setting) and I still could tell difference between like night and day. At least for me I prefer mainconcept mvc encoder although it is not the best, compare Sirius Pixels mvc encoder(formerly cinema craft) but certainly miles better than dvdfab solution which they come up with.

Also don't get me started on invert of colors and compression in version 8 and version 9 compression algorithm which in my opinion is implemented in really poor manner and for results let just say I don't want to think off.

Plus it fails on complex titles (Disney) and the ISO creation is broken (burned disk fails in some BR-Players including the PS3)

[HWK]

Plus it fails on complex titles (Disney) and the ISO creation is broken (burned disk fails in some BR-Players including the PS3)

I know and needless to say it is my assumption, those post here want to customize the output to their liking. Often know as video enthusiasts :D and not rely on some end user product with lousy performance.

[hndts]

Dvdfab, are you kidding me

tsMuxeR is the tool to mux, not the tool to convert 50g to 25g, Is it clear?

[HWK]

tsMuxeR is the tool to mux, not the tool to convert 50g to 25g, Is it clear?

I know what tsmuxer does, however some of us have access to mvc encoder and decoder for mvc stream and we can encode video without dependence on dvdfab or any other similar tool and have much better output and with that said dvdfab is an option, but not best by any means at least for me.

[damorsoft]

It's not
To convert 50g to 25g, you should use dvdfab

DVDfab is OK but will not create a true interleaved bdr disc at 1920x1080 it will create a half sbs if and when it does work, which is not very often or very well.

Use tsMuxer to create a mvc and avc file resize the avc with x264 or something akin and make the ssif file. then write an ISO maybe soon and a full interleaved 1080p bdr..

Lets see dvdfab do that..

[SquallMX]

DVDfab is OK but will not create a true interleaved bdr disc at 1920x1080 it will create a half sbs if and when it does work, which is not very often or very well.

Use tsMuxer to create a mvc and avc file resize the avc with x264 or something akin and make the ssif file. then write an ISO maybe soon and a full interleaved 1080p bdr..

Lets see dvdfab do that..

Actually DVDFab does that but is buggy and unreliable.

[Cedvano]

If Physic know how X264 work, He can put this in TsMuxer with a MVC Encoder.
I would like to forget DVDFab and have X264 with MVC.
I actually learn how it's work.

[HWK]

If Physic know how X264 work, He can put this in TsMuxer with a MVC Encoder.
I would like to forget DVDFab and have X264 with MVC.
I actually learn how it's work.

Let physic focus on tsmuxer instead of encoders. Last time I check there was no freeware mvc encoder either.

I am not sure if you can get away with just encoding base view. However I am testing know and will see what happens when base view is encoded and dependent view remain same. However I have fairly strong feeling it will not work.

[frencher]

Let physic focus on tsmuxer instead of encoders. Last time I check there was no freeware mvc encoder either.

I am not sure if you can get away with just encoding base view. However I am testing know and will see what happens when base view is encoded and dependent view remain same.

Intel media SDK 2013 (http://software.intel.com/en-us/vcsource/tools/media-sdk)

[HWK]

That doesn't count. It's output is not accepted by any application such as tsmuxer, stereoscopic player and few more. Also frencher I know about intel media sdk as well :)

[physic]

Finally, I've done ISO support. Here is the new version:
tsMuxeR 2.0.5(b) (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VmPcEZTp8NdWNPX185aHlKams/edit?usp=sharing)

[HWK]

Finally, I've done ISO support. Here is the new version:
tsMuxeR 2.0.5(b) (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VmPcEZTp8NdWNPX185aHlKams/edit?usp=sharing)

Excellent, I am guessing know you will squash bugs in program.

[HWK]

Finally, I've done ISO support. Here is the new version:
tsMuxeR 2.0.5(b) (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VmPcEZTp8NdWNPX185aHlKams/edit?usp=sharing)

Physic, For paypal icon on main system tray can you convert to English link. Write know it direct to Russian language website.

[idbirch2]

Wow, thanks for all your work on this, 3D Blu-ray support is something I've been wishing for in tsMuxer for a long time!

I just tested it out on a new 3D disc and it's successfully remuxed to a new ISO with what looks like a perfectly sound folder structure inside. When playing back however, I'm getting audio pops at some of the points where there were joins from seamless branching. It doesn't affect all joins but quite a few. I assumed at first this would be yet another quirk of my hardware player (Popcorn Hour A-400) however the same pop can be heard when playing back with Media Player Classic on the PC. It's worth noting that in MPC, the orginal branched disc plays fine with no pops so this is not a general decoding issue but something introduced by tsMuxer.

It's also worth pointing out however, that if you've not noticed already yourself, there have been several discs recently with troublesome TrueHD tracks and this seems to be one of them. If I use eac3to to try converting the audio to WAV or FLAC, there are several errors while converting similar to "lossless check failed" which I assume is a contributing factor to this problem. Hopefully you have this particular disc and can see for yourself and maybe confirm there is something unusal about this TrueHD track and the points at which it branches.

Would you be able to take another look at how branching is dealt with, particularly with TrueHD audio, thanks!

[HWK]

Use tsMuxer to create a mvc and avc file resize the avc with x264 or something akin and make the ssif file. then write an ISO maybe soon and a full interleaved 1080p bdr..

Method you have mentioned does not work I gave it a try with man of steel and just encoding base view will not work. However if you just demux and remux without modifying video then it works as it should.

[damorsoft]

Method you have mentioned does not work I gave it a try with man of steel and just encoding base view will not work. However if you just demux and remux without modifying video then it works as it should.

Thanks, that will save me the time. Still want to reduce that 50g bluray to 25BDR.
Did you try to create the BluRay with the resultand SSIF made from the reduced AVC and existing MVC??
I could try that sometime today.

[HWK]

Did you try to create the BluRay with the resultand SSIF made from the reduced AVC and existing MVC??


Yes, however no go for detail procedure I carried out check your PM from me.

[videofan3d]

Re: Intel Media SDK

@WHK,

I disagree with you.

Intel Media SDK produces elementary AVC and MVC streams.
These streams need to be correctly muxed into m2ts transport stream and only then played by Stereoscopic Player.
Stereoscopic Player has problems with pure elementary videostream.
For example: Stereoscopic Player also doesn't play pure elementary MVC-streams created by commercial 3D camcorder.
So the problem is in Stereoscopic Player, not in the MVC-stream itself.

MVC-elementary stream produced by Intel Media SDK can be decoded correctly by JVT Reference AVC Decoder from Joint Video Team - which is good proof of its compatibility.

I already sent to Roman some information about it and samples, so I believe he will verify it.

Once tsMuxer will support MVC streams from Intel Media SDK and AVCHD-3D, it will be great achievement for all 3D-hobbyists!

Btw. I already modified examples in Intel Media SDK to be able to read input from AVI-file,
thus it can be connected via frameserver to NLE editing systems like Adobe Premiere.
The last missing thing is to mux into BD-structure using tsMuxer :-)