tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray

[Wolfy59]

Thanks for all the work you do.
I ll try soon.

[jediknight]

New version is ready.
tsMuxeR 1.12.2(a) (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VmPcEZTp8NTE1aSHNsczlxQ0E/edit?usp=sharing)

version 1.12.2(a):
- add 3d bluray support. Bluray muxing activated automatically if MVC substream appears in input tracks.
To reduce HDD space, tsMuxeR doesn't produce ssif file, only a couple of .m2ts files. ssif files can be
creted on the fly in DVD fab using "create mini iso" menu item.
- add ability to mux to ssif file directly. It is not supported in GUI, but you can provide .ssif file extension
- fixed bugs in SEI message processing and add MVC sei message support
- fixed several bugs in the Transport Stream to improve compatibility with Blu-ray standart.

known issues:
- I did not update subtitles processing for 3D yet. It is the next task in my list

Alanick
My TV plays all files from tsMuxeR without problem. And TV understand m2ts files as well. I have UN75F8000 model.


Thanks for great update Roman.

Also will you support create produce ssif in future updates ? if you are interest in 3D BD, HDD Space wont be a problem i think. it will be best if you do so. tsmuxer will be all in one solution :)

Again thanks...

[HWK]

That's work great with TMT6. Thanks.
HWK, have you got a MVC encoder ?

Yes, I do own mvc encoder as add-on on base product.

[HWK]

Thanks for great update Roman.

Also will you support create produce ssif in future updates ? if you are interest in 3D BD, HDD Space wont be a problem i think. it will be best if you do so. tsmuxer will be all in one solution :)

Again thanks...

Physic, do plan to support it.
Read reply in post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1642844#post1642844

[HWK]

Is it possible to add subtitle track and mux to 3D BD?
cause when i tried the mounted disk was unplayable by TMT.

I added in mine it plays in tmt 5, what kind of subtitle you are dealing with. Also there are not officially supported yet.

[Wolfy59]

I have question is it possible to have an option like right click in the subtitles to force one of them on activated by default
thanks

[physic]

all
Please send me private messages If you find some bugs.

jediknight
Current version can produce ssif, but I don't include it to GUI (as separate mux type). But you can run tsMuxer with .ssif file extension. So, you can run tsMuxer twice: in blu-ray mode, then mux to ssif with same parameters. I can add simultaneous writing to ssif and m2ts in a future version but I am not sure that is usefull.

[Cedvano]

Yes, I do own mvc encoder as add-on on base product.

Ok, Have you got an encoder to download or counselor?

TsMuxer work fine on my BD Player Sony BDP-S480 and TV LG 47LW4500.

[HWK]

Ok, Have you got an encoder to download or counselor?

TsMuxer work fine on my BD Player Sony BDP-S480 and TV LG 47LW4500.

I am not sure what you meant by counselor, As for encoder I bought it.

[rusty666]

i have just done a ssif file to m2ts then put on my media player but only plays in 2d?

[HWK]

i have just done a ssif file to m2ts then put on my media player but only plays in 2d?

Rusty, How exactly you created ssif file and also which media player you used to playback.

Last but not least does original play.

[rusty666]

i just got iso on my pc used virtual clone then opened the 3d in tmuxer selected ssif file then created m2ts . i tried it with my pc to tv with nvida card in 3d mode and on my measy x5

[rusty666]

yes the iso plays fine on both pc and media player in 3d mode

[Cedvano]

I am not sure what you meant by counselor, As for encoder I bought it.

I would like to know which encoder did you buy? Thanks

[HWK]

I am assuming you are using virtual clone drive from Slysoft.

[HWK]

I would like to know which encoder did you buy? Thanks
Initially I wanted to buy Cinema Craft Encoder but It was too expensive, so to answer your question I bought mainconcept encoder and added bonus no need for turn key system.

[ssuper2k]

all
Please send me private messages If you find some bugs.
I've tried 'WINGs' and 'Train my Dragon' both 3D-ISOs mounted.
I drag the mpls into tsmuxer, it detects both video views, and I set output as Blu-ray. But the result cannot be played with my Xtreamer Prodigy 3D (black screen)


all
Current version can produce ssif, but I don't include it to GUI (as separate mux type). But you can run tsMuxer with .ssif file extension. So, you can run tsMuxer twice: in blu-ray mode, then mux to ssif with same parameters. I can add simultaneous writing to ssif and m2ts in a future version but I am not sure that is usefull.
In order to keep 3D blu-ray compatibility, I believe the output should keep the blu-ray structure as separate .m2ts and .ssif video files.
Not just one video file with 2 streams.

Other than that.. keep up the good job!!

And of course, I'm offering here to test many 3D-ISOs with your tsmuxer .. :D

[rusty666]

yes the one from slysoft

[rusty666]

so do i need to do it in blu-ray mode ? then mux the 2 m2ts file to one file?

[HWK]

yes the one from slysoft

stay tuned...

I will post guide to create proper Blu-ray structure with tsmuxer which include creation of ssif file as well.

In fact I am writing know so I will try to be quick.

Once done it should play just like original since it will have ssif file as well, provided original played in first place.

[rusty666]

im confused i thought this programme was to convert the ssif to m2ts to play ? if its only to play blu ray 3d its just as easy to mount the original 3d with virtual clone?

[HWK]

It does but it is the player which cause problem during decoding. The method you used works for TMT, since I used that method before it works for Arcsoft Total media theatre.

[rusty666]

im useing power dvd 13. so i should be able to just select m2ts on tsmuxer?

[HWK]

@rusty666

When I first tried the method you mentioned, powerdvd, windvd didn't work and no they still don't work only TMT does.

Also I almost finished with my guide. So just hang on :D

[ssuper2k]

im confused i thought this programme was to convert the ssif to m2ts to play ? if its only to play blu ray 3d its just as easy to mount the original 3d with virtual clone?
the good things here, is that you could get rid of the BD menu, the extras, and many audio tracks, to get a smaller 3DISO(need dvdfab),
And you can even Add other audio languages (and subs in future versions), just like the old tsmuxer did with '2D' blu-rays...

[HWK]

Hmm, lots of people are having trouble with creation process of 3D so I will create mini guide how to solve this issue once for all.

To get started you will need tsmuxer and dvdfab virtual drive (no other virtual drive software will work)

1. Start by opening tsmuxer and choose corresponding mpls file for which you want to process. (don’t know which one to use, BDinfo can help with that part)
2. Only check stream you want to have in your backup, by default all will be checked.(make sure leave MVC and H264 video stream checked)
3. Under options choose Demux and set location on your hard drive. Make sure you have adequate space (2x) (Specify name of movie as well)
4. Once demux is done, remove all files from tsmuxer gui and import files which you just demux and set lang code for audio and subs. (doing this way will keep chapter info)
5. Choose blu-ray disk and start muxing.

In this process we will create SSIF file for our movie, only carry this out when tsmuxer is finished.

I assume you have downloaded and install the drive and it works.

Delete temp files or move them out side of the folder leave BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders

6. Right click on dvdfab icon which is shown in system tray (right next clock, if it is hidden then you will need to expand)
7. Look for option which says create mini iso and click on that.
8. At this stage dialox box will come asking for movie location, you can drag and drop or browse to root directory.
9. Let say I am doing Iron Man, in this case I will drag root folder of iron man to dialog box. NOT BDMV or CERTIFICATE folder.
10. It will create mini iso and ask you if you want to mount it. (say yes)
11. Finally if you look inside virtual drive created by dvdfab and navigate to \BDMV\STREAM you will see SSIF folder and file within.
12. To play just point to drive with in player like you will do with physical drive or any other virtual drive.


Also physic hasn't fix subtitle yet, so don't blame if they don't work. Though they should, give it a try.

[rusty666]

im abit confused so really out ov all that all we are doing is just mounting the iso with a mini iso?

[rusty666]

i can already play all my untouched iso by mounting so im confused why this is better its just creating another iso? thought it was just to turn ssif to m2ts in 3d?

[rusty666]

i just tried tmt 6 played the m2ts file still only playing in 2d can you confirm can this programme convert ssif to just m2ts files and play in 3d or do u still need the ssif file with it

[Cedvano]

i just tried tmt 6 played the m2ts file still only playing in 2d can you confirm can this programme convert ssif to just m2ts files and play in 3d or do u still need the ssif file with it

TMT6 can't play MVC M2TS, he read the first (AVC) video in 2D.

Make like HWK tuto to play 3D.

[rusty666]

he said the m2ts method works in tmt

[Wolfy59]

tried world war z 3d works like a charme on samsung bd_f6500 and lg 3d bd player
thanks for the work

[rusty666]

as a m2ts file?

[jpcmanso]

physic,
Thanks for the great program you created that I use constantly, but it would be a better program if my prefered settings would remain every time I use it, like the subtitles (font name, font size, additional border pixels and botton of sreen).
Best Regards.

[rusty666]

wolfy 59 is that through usb m2ts file?

[Wolfy59]

No juste a teaser burned on bd re

Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9300 en utilisant Tapatalk 4 Beta

[HWK]

i just tried tmt 6 played the m2ts file still only playing in 2d can you confirm can this programme convert ssif to just m2ts files and play in 3d or do u still need the ssif file with it

It works for me, because encoder put stereo stream first follow by base view. As a result TMT 5 can play it without any issue. However tmt won't play if done through tsmuxer, because it put base view first.

Look at media info report to get idea

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1
MultiView_Count : 2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 27mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 17.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.358
Stream size : 10.9 GiB (93%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

[HWK]

im abit confused so really out ov all that all we are doing is just mounting the iso with a mini iso?

No, it is more than mounting, since SSIF reference other m2ts files and we don't want to physically create them because it will double the space needed on disc. When iso is created by dvdfab it create ssif file on the fly which reference m2ts files and also keep the size down.

Think of this way if you rip Blu-ray disk to hard drive it's size is almost double, however if iso it will keep original size. Without going to technical detail it has todo with linking files which is feature of UDF file system.(Used in blu-ray disk)

[rusty666]

will i be able to put the m2ts on a usb play through 3d player ?

[HWK]

will i be able to put the m2ts on a usb play through 3d player ?

Can't say maybe it will work or may it won't. However the method of creating SSIF file will work provided player follow official 3d specs.

@rusty666 or anyone else my sincere apology for not able to tell correct method of creating m2ts and telling the whole thing.

Also in TMT you need to choose option always movies and video files in 3d and auto detect source file layout for my method of creating m2ts to work.

[rusty666]

i undertsnad the mini ios to save space but i wanted just ssif to m2ts file in 3d? i just thought that wat theprgramme was for as was gonna get my dad a external drive then put em all on that and play through 3d blu ray player usb

[HWK]

@rusty666

I gone give you sample soon try it on TMT and let me now if it works.

[jediknight]

all
Please send me private messages If you find some bugs.

jediknight
Current version can produce ssif, but I don't include it to GUI (as separate mux type). But you can run tsMuxer with .ssif file extension. So, you can run tsMuxer twice: in blu-ray mode, then mux to ssif with same parameters. I can add simultaneous writing to ssif and m2ts in a future version but I am not sure that is usefull.

I see, well it will be usefull i think :P. if we can do in one time. will be very good. Thanks again Roman. What you are doing is amazing :). Let us know when you accept donation. i want o make donate for tsmuxer project.

And also i agree with ssuper2k


In order to keep 3D blu-ray compatibility, I believe the output should keep the blu-ray structure as separate .m2ts and .ssif video files.
Not just one video file with 2 streams.

Other than that.. keep up the good job!!

And of course, I'm offering here to test many 3D-ISOs with your tsmuxer .. :D

[videofan3d]

Results verified on external 3D Media Player Egreat R6S (connected to 3DTV via HDMI 1.4)

Test 1: data sample: short trailer in single m2ts file from BD3D-ISO structure with original PGS-3D-subtitles
- playlist .mpls read from BD3D-ISO
- removed unwanted subtitles and audio
- multiplexed to BD3D structure (without ssif-file)
- played correctly in 3D using 3D Media Player Egreat R6S (including PGS-3D-subtitles)!
(TEST SUCCESS)

Test 2: data sample: short trailer in single m2ts file from BD3D-ISO structure with original PGS-3D-subtitles
- m2ts demuxed into elementary stream using EAC3TO
- elementary streams loaded to tsMuxerGUI (AVC, MVC, audio, PGS-sup)
- multiplexed to BD3D structure (without ssif-file)
- played correctly in 3D using 3D Media Player Egreat R6S (including PGS-3D-subtitles)!
(TEST SUCCESS)

Test 3: data sample: short trailer in single m2ts file from BD3D-ISO with original PGS-3D-subtitles
- original BD3D-ISO structure - but directory SSIF removed
- playlist .mpls read from this modified BD3D-ISO
- MVC stream NOT identified/found !!!!
(TEST FAILED)

I believe it would be useful to read MVC-stream from playlist (it is there) even when not having SSIF files

Test 4. data sample AVCHD-3D structure recorded using 3D-camcorder
- original AVCHD-3D-ISO structure from SD card
- tsMuxer cannot recognize MVC stream (neither as elementary stream nor in mts-file)!!!
(TEST FAILED)

I believe it would be useful to implement support for AVCHD-3D, as MVC coding (for 23.976 fps) is identical to BD3D

Examples of AVCHD-3D structures you can find here:
http://uloz.to/xYe1uJjS/avchd3d-sample1-zip
or here
http://www.uloz.to/xZCEqvPh/AVCHD3D_sample3.ZIP

[HWK]

i undertsnad the mini ios to save space but i wanted just ssif to m2ts file in 3d? i just thought that wat theprgramme was for as was gonna get my dad a external drive then put em all on that and play through 3d blu ray player usb

@rusty666

I gone give you sample soon try it on TMT and let me now if it works.

Here is the sample of file with setting you should use with TMT

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2c8pQSAQa3qS0l5LTktWHR1R3M/edit?usp=sharing

[ssuper2k]

Works perfect with output blu-ray in 1 step (no need to demux first)
Turns out I wasn't using latest tsmuxer.. :(

If you want to create a full ISO out of the mini-iso, you can rip the mini-iso virtual drive with anydvd, and you're done!!

Also, you can mount the source full ISO with any tool (like daemon tools)
It's for the mini-iso(first create and then mount) why you need dvdfab..

Thanks a lot to physic for this great tool and to HWK for the info!! ;)

[HWK]

It's for the mini-iso(first create and then mount) why you need dvdfab..

Thanks a lot to physic for this great tool and to HWK for the info!! ;)

You need dvdfab virtual drive not fab itself. Also it is good to know that it worked for you.

[HWK]

If you want to create a full ISO out of the mini-iso, you can rip the mini-iso virtual drive with anydvd, and you're done!!
! ;)

You can also use imgburn as well, just point source to virtual drive and destination could be image or writer.

[Alanick]

@ Alanick

Is this model of your tv

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UE40C7000WKXXU

Also if I gave you sample clip of 3d which stay below 25 mbps, can you test on system and see if it works.

Sorry for the delay, I was away.
This is my exact model,
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/UN46C7000WFXZA
and its a nice one, I'm more than pleased with it, but now with the newly updated tsmuxer, wanted to take advantage of that, but its horrible to watch, no smooth playback.
I tried with uncompressed, untouched videos that I just simply muxed from .ssif to .ts, I guess it needs conversion for a smooth playback, in 3d, cant seem to find though in my TV specifications what is the max rate for 1080px2 in 3d mode, only for 2d I can see the specifications.
ill have to investigate more on that.

[HWK]

Sorry for the delay, I was away.
This is my exact model,
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/UN46C7000WFXZA
and its a nice one, I'm more than pleased with it, but now with the newly updated tsmuxer, wanted to take advantage of that, but its horrible to watch, no smooth playback.
I tried with uncompressed, untouched videos that I just simply muxed from .ssif to .ts, I guess it needs conversion for a smooth playback, in 3d, cant seem to find though in my TV specifications what is the max rate for 1080px2 in 3d mode, only for 2d I can see the specifications.
ill have to investigate more on that.
I already created ts file sample which is in 3D do you want to test sample. At this stage I have not reduced bit-rate for file.
However I can do that if required.