tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray

[r0lZ]

Pixelisation happens usually when a non-I-frame is displayed and the reference I-frame is missing, damaged or not properly decoded. I suppose that VirtualDub jumps directly to the requested frame, without going first to the previous I-frame. It tries then to display the frame with the data in memory from the previous frame if has displayed, and of course it fails. If the codec used to decode the video doesn't create first an index file, the codec doesn't know where are the i-frames in the file, and it displays what it can, or, like most "standard" players, it shows the next I-frame and it is not frame accurate.

Note that AvsPmod (or any avisynth based player) can exhibit similar problems, if the codec doesn't create an index file first. Usually, the first time you play a movie decoded with a good avisynth filter, you have to wait a long time. It's because the index must be created. It's a pain, but at least, you have a good guarantee that the playback is frame accurate.

[WSC4]

I guess you are right on this. I ran VirtualDub with a TS file and under File Info it states Seeking: index missing. Loading the same video with AvsPmod and I can hear it loading and building. I re-muxed the file with tsMuxeR with quite a few different parameters, but it made no difference. As this has nothing to do with tsMuxuR, I'll visit the VirtualDub thread.

[laserfan]

Been surfing unsuccessfully on this and feel someone in this thread will know: For a BD-50 disc like Avatar 3D Limited Edition (https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Avatar-3D-Blu-ray/26954/) where they show that both 3D and 2D versions are together on the one disc, is anything being sacrificed to this combination? It appears to have the DTS-MA audio...I am puzzled about whether to combine 3D and 2D on a single disc sacrifices bitrate, and specifically that the 2D track might not be as good as a single 2D Blu-ray???

Sorry, a newbie-ish question but for the life of me I can't find answers about this anywhere.

:o

[Sharc]

Been surfing unsuccessfully on this and feel someone in this thread will know: For a BD-50 disc like Avatar 3D Limited Edition (https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Avatar-3D-Blu-ray/26954/) where they show that both 3D and 2D versions are together on the one disc, is anything being sacrificed to this combination? It appears to have the DTS-MA audio...I am puzzled about whether to combine 3D and 2D on a single disc sacrifices bitrate, and specifically that the 2D track might not be as good as a single 2D Blu-ray???

Sorry, a newbie-ish question but for the life of me I can't find answers about this anywhere.

:o
I don't know this particular disc. However when you play the Base stream of the 3D MVC you get it in 2D and you shouldn't be loosing anything …..

I don't know whether a dedicated 2D version of the said disc is of better quality.

[ocean]

@laserfan
Hi, what Sharc said is correct, the bitrate difference between the two versions on the Base stream is low, it is 23 Mbps for 2D and 21 Mbps for 3D version, however it is not the only parameter indicating the quality of the movie:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=186578

[laserfan]

Thanks guys, and for the link, though I did quickly get-in over my head technically. I have ordered the Avatar 3D-plus-2D-on-one-disc edition and will see for myself I guess at some point.

Though as I read that thread it seems "once you've seen a 3D version you'll never watch in 2D again" from many folks there! It's brand-new to me!

EDIT: I tripped across an old and very easy-to-understand explanation that elaborates on what Sharc said, here. (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/328340-3D-Bluray-reauthoring-with-multiAVCHD-is-generating-almost-2x-original-size?p=2033751&viewfull=1#post2033751)

...codec MVC... creates a "MAIN" file and a "Derived" file... The MAIN file is IDENTICAL to a standard h.264/AVC file (usually L, but could be R). The DERIVED file is a binary file that has encoded the difference between the L and R, much like P and B frames are "derived" from differences with the I frame... MAIN and DERIVED files are layed out on BD, where the MAIN file is kept in the standard STREAM folder as an M2TS file (for complete backward compatibility with 2D BD) [and] ...to maintain both backward compatibility AND efficiency, [using] multiple "Hard Links"...

And Sharc it does seem very highly unlikely doesn't it, that the base/main file would be built differently between 3D and 2D BD releases.

[no-one]

For 3D Diy need to change from "insert sei and vui data if absent" To "Do not change SEI and VUI data" and Uncheck "Continually Insert SPS/PPS" ?

[outgoing]

Does this mean that the code has been released to continue developing tsmuxer?
https://github.com/justdan96/tsMuxer

[filler56789]

Does this mean that the code has been released to continue developing tsmuxer?
https://github.com/justdan96/tsMuxer

Exactly.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Does this mean that the code has been released to continue developing tsmuxer?
https://github.com/justdan96/tsMuxerAnd there's a dedicated topic about it here: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176668

[outgoing]

Yup, I hadn't seen the new dedicated thread. Great news, hopefully the community can continue to develop it in the same line as before.

[justdan96]

If there are any bugs or feature requests please post them in the other topic, so I can collate them into the Todo in the repo!

[HaDiHo]

Sorry ... it does not have anything to do with 3D, but I'd like it if TsMuxer got an update that also allows UHD BDs
larger 70Gb to edit ...
But that will probably remain a dream

TSM2UHD is not nearly as good as the normal TS Muxer

[SpasV]

Sorry ... it does not have anything to do with 3D, but I'd like it if TsMuxer got an update that also allows UHD BDs
larger 70Gb to edit ...
But that will probably remain a dream

Look here https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175120

[Dasa21]

I am using the latest version of tsMuxeR 2.6.16. I have such a problem. When I convert Mkv to UHD with Bluray Uhd, when playing a bluray structure on a BD desktop player, I have a distorted image stretched on the TV! WHERE PLEASE BE ERROR?

[filler56789]

I am using the latest version of tsMuxeR 2.6.16. I have such a problem. When I convert Mkv to UHD with Bluray Uhd, when playing a bluray structure on a BD desktop player, I have a distorted image stretched on the TV! WHERE PLEASE BE ERROR?

Please report the problems with the NEW tsMuxeR in its new thread,

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176668

This thread is "dead" and a moderator should lock it for good.