tsMuxeR update for 3D blu-ray

[Alanick]

I already created ts file sample which is in 3D do you want to test sample. At this stage I have not reduced bit-rate for file.
However I can do that if required.

of course, id sure like to give it a try
if I have to I can easily convert the files using any of the following
Rovi TotalCode Studio
Rovi TotalCode Professional
CINEMA CRAFT (R) HDe MVC edition
but that means loosing quality, and didn't want to do it
ill have to see.

[HWK]

I think you may have to since only way to achieve target of 25 mbps. Have you tried it anyways and see if it works.

On a sidenote how much it cost to CINEMA CRAFT (R) HDe MVC edition, last time I checked it still was quite expensive and require turn key system.

[Alanick]

Alanick
My TV plays all files from tsMuxeR without problem. And TV understand m2ts files as well. I have UN75F8000 model.

ouch, that's a newly TV that supports MVC natively in .m2ts container, with up to 60mbps bitrate, that's why mine has problems, also being a old model, darn, my luck.

[Alanick]

I think you may have to since only way to achieve target of 25 mbps. Have you tried it anyways and see if it works.

On a sidenote how much it cost to CINEMA CRAFT (R) HDe MVC edition, last time I checked it still was quite expensive and require turn key system.

its no longer available, a different company bought the software, under new name too,
http://www.siriuspixels.com/Sirius-Pixels-HDe-MVC.php
not sure what's going on with it now.

[HWK]

hmm, no wonder last time I saw screenshot Sirius-Pixels-HDe-MVC it looked similar to Cinema Craft. My first thought they developed their own product. Thank to you now I know what happened :p

[HWK]

@ Alanick, I can create compressed sample which is gone be ts and less than 25 mbps. Do you need it to test out?

[Alanick]

@ Alanick, I can create compressed sample which is gone be ts and less than 25 mbps. Do you need it to test out?

yes, I'd like to try

[HWK]

yes, I'd like to try

Ok, I am building it right know. It should be ready soon.

[HWK]

yes, I'd like to try

Ok, I created the file and it is available for download

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2c8pQSAQa3qdFF4YldXRGlMZW8/edit?usp=sharing

[physic]

tsMuxeR 1.12.3(a) (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VmPcEZTp8NSVpMWFpXdG9OTWs/edit)

version 1.12.3(a):
- fixed problem with ssif muxing (if provide .ssif file extension)
- add addition check for 'insert picture timing' parameter. For MVC depended view used same value as for primary video stream
- add new parameter to GUI and tsMuxeR core: 'right-eye'. Parameter is used for 3D blurays only. If parameter is set then MPEG-4 MVC Base view video used for Right eye.
This parameter filled automatically in GUI if open MPLS file.

[HWK]

version 1.12.3(a):
- add new parameter to GUI and tsMuxeR core: 'right-eye'. Parameter is used for 3D blurays only. If parameter is set then MPEG-4 MVC Base view video used for Right eye.
This parameter filled automatically in GUI if open MPLS file.

Just to clarify physic if I open mpls and it indicate base view is right eye or it is using inverted of normal blu-ray disk layout. It will automatically select or fill parameter that right-eye is base video stream.

[Wolfy59]

I tried to remux a complete movie with tsmuxer.

-loaded the mpls into tsmuxer
-unticked audio track that i don't use
-created a new bd structure
-mount a mini iso with dvd fab virtual drive
when i play the movie into power dvd 13, there's a screen freeze after 2.18 minutes

[HWK]

I tried to remux a complete movie with tsmuxer.

-loaded the mpls into tsmuxer
-unticked audio track that i don't use
-created a new bd structure
-mount a mini iso with dvd fab virtual drive
when i play the movie into power dvd 13, there's a screen freeze after 2.18 minutes

Did you demux first before building, also did you try other player. I use TMT by Arcsoft and it works without any hiccup.

[Wolfy59]

Did you demux first before building, also did you try other player. I use TMT by Arcsoft and it works without any hiccup.

Hello HWK I tried the two methods with demux or not.
tried with ssif file too.
When i do a chapter jump movie back but for another 2 minutes
I Will try with TMT 6

[HWK]

Hello HWK I tried the two methods with demux or not.
tried with ssif file too.
When i do a chapter jump movie back but for another 2 minutes

Which version of tsmuxer you used to create.

[Wolfy59]

Which version of tsmuxer you used to create.

1.12.2(a) and 1.12.3(a)

[HWK]

hmm, can I have more info such as movie name and powerdvd version.

[Wolfy59]

hmm, can I have more info such as movie name and powerdvd version.

The Movie is World War z 3D and power dvd 13.0.3105.58

There s an order to put track in tsmuxer with demuxed files ?
-1 mvc
-2 h264
-3 Audio track
as tsmuxer do when i load the mpls file.

Or I can do
-1 h264
-2 mvc
-3 Audio track

[HWK]

I have World war Z in 3d as well, so you can rule out tsmuxer or movie to be cause of problem. Though if you want I can give it a try on my side just to rule out.

Probably it is player. Do you have standalone 3d player to try?

Also, if required I can try with powerdvd as well.

[Wolfy59]

I have World war Z in 3d as well, so you can rule out tsmuxer or movie to be cause of problem. Though if you want I can give it a try on my side just to rule out.

Probably it is player. Do you have standalone 3d player to try?

Also, if required I can try with powerdvd as well.

It s a power dvd 13 problem. It works like a charm with TMT 6.
Thanks for your help :-D

[HWK]

It s a power dvd 13 problem. It works like a charm with TMT 6.
Thanks for your help :-D

Glad I could help and no this is not the first time powerdvd caused problem. That is why I switch to TMT and at least have peace full sleep at night once in a while :D while my wife watch flicks she like.

[Wolfy59]

Glad I could help and no this is not the first time powerdvd caused problem. That is why I switch to TMT and at least have peace full sleep at night once in a while :D while my wife watch flicks she like.

I Will do the same Thing Thanks HWK

[Ghitulescu]

I think the bug report should be restricted only to those reported by standalones.

[rusty666]

thanx the sample worke on my pc to my tv with tmt 6 . did u post the setting ?

[rusty666]

has anybody tried the m2ts sample on a usb through 3d blu ray player

[physic]

HWK
if you open mpls and it indicate "base view is right eye", appropriate check box will be selected in GUI on "Blu-ray" tab.

I am going to start with subtitles update today. This task requires several days.

[microchip8]

@physic

Please also compile a version for Linux and Mac OS X users! Thanks

[physic]

I'll compile mac and linux versions after 3D tasks. So, after subtitles update.

[HWK]

I'll compile mac and linux versions after 3D tasks. So, after subtitles update.

What exactly with subtitle you are doing?

[jsmoovey]

Can files be re-encoded after the process? If so, How? Video streams are a little too big for Ethernet connection even after ripping unwanted tracks. Only want to shrink them a little.

[SeeMoreDigital]

tsMuxeR muxes video, audio and subtitle streams. It does not offer re-encoding!

If you want to re-encode your video (and audio) streams, you will have to use other applications. There are plenty available on the forum.

[jsmoovey]

SeeMoreDigital. I totally understand... but there isn't a forum this specific to what is needed in regards to what TSmuxer will or how it will mux files that have been rendered / and the correct file formats to achieve a 3D mux.

[HWK]

Can files be re-encoded after the process? If so, How? Video streams are a little too big for Ethernet connection even after ripping unwanted tracks. Only want to shrink them a little.

Jsmoovey, you mention what you want but you are not very clear about outcome you want. If you describe what exactly you are trying to achieve somebody will be able to offer help.

For example you mention about encoding but fail to mention about whether you want in 3d or 2d. Also what does ethernet connection has to do with video stream. You need to be lot more clear what you want.

[SquallMX]

Tested with Dredd, unfortunately it suffers the same issue than when using DVDFab mini-iso: random Jitters and pixelated output every ~6 minutes on PS3 (FW 4.46) and standalone (plays fine with PowerDVD).

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/7756/qqds.jpg

This is not a bug of TSMuxer, is a bug in DVDFab Virtual Drive and DVDFab, looks like the SSIF reconstruction is not totally perfect.

[Cedvano]

Tested with Dredd, unfortunately it suffers the same issue than when using DVDFab mini-iso: random Jitters and pixelated output every ~6 minutes on PS3 (FW 4.46) and standalone (plays fine with PowerDVD).

I have the same with UP_3D. Jitters and pixels before TMT6 crach.

Edit : Tested with JOURNEY_3D and freeze my BD Player.

[videofan3d]

@Physic

Hi,

would it be possible to implement some kind of debugging output/log-file generation into tsMuxer (of course switchable-off)?
Maybe even with several levels of debugging.
I guess it would help you to identify problems/discrepancies in muxing process - if we would be able to provide you with such processing log-file.

Thanks

[rusty666]

tried with usb through lg blu ray player as a m2ts file doesnt even play war z sample

[rusty666]

played in panasonic 3dtv gt60 just pink piocture

[videofan3d]

played in panasonic 3dtv gt60 just pink piocture

Panasonic Plasmas don't recognize neither BD3D structure nor SSIF-file itself (I have this experience from past).
They play in 3D only AVCHD-3D structures - which are slightly different.

I'm used to play BD3D structure via 3D Media Player (specifically Egreat R6S) connected to 3DTV via HDMI 1.4
And I tested tsMuxer 1.12.2 - worked well on a short sample.
(test of long movie is on the way :-))

[rusty666]

how about a m2ts through usb external it oesnt even play the war z sample? any ideas

[rusty666]

with lg 3d blu ray player

[skydancer11]

Tried Several 3D blurays, they all played well in TMT 5,
The DVDFAB miniso dependence is a little annoying,
However I do understand the need for it if we want to save space on HD and not to end with 80GB folder. I wonder if there's a way to "mux to ISO" or to keep the movie intact only to add subtitles editing the corresponding mpls like i use to do with 2D Blurays.

[rusty666]

would be good to get it working through external with 3d blu ray player

[physic]

HWK
What exactly with subtitle you are doing?
I am adding reference to offset metadata for subtitles track.

I'll upload new version tomorrow.

[Ghitulescu]

Can files be re-encoded after the process? If so, How? Video streams are a little too big for Ethernet connection even after ripping unwanted tracks. Only want to shrink them a little.

There are billion of tools that convert one video into another. Have one of them ...

Please do not "infest" the tools that keep the streams unaltered.

This is not another microsoft office suite :)

[physic]

SquallMX
I think so. Looks like it is DVD fab issue. But If you compare dvd-fab generated ssif file with tsMuxeR generated ssif (you can run ts muxer with .ssif file extension) I think this files will be identical. This problem not in the file data, but lies deeper: I suppose DVD fab allocate sectors in ISO file in the wrong way. It is cause large seek distance for BD-ROM drive during playback.
So, the solution is generate ISO file directly.

[SquallMX]

SquallMX
I think so. Looks like it is DVD fab issue. But If you compare dvd-fab generated ssif file with tsMuxeR generated ssif (you can run ts muxer with .ssif file extension) I think this files will be identical. This problem not in the file data, but lies deeper: I suppose DVD fab allocate sectors in ISO file in the wrong way. It is cause large seek distance for BD-ROM drive during playback.
So, the solution is generate ISO file directly.

Yep, you´re probably right, that explains why it plays fine on PC, but fails when playing on standalone.

Keep the good work! :):):)

PD: BTW there is a bug in the GUI, the yellow color for subtitles is using 00ff00 (instead of ffff00) resulting in green subtitles.

[dorati]

I have make 2 tests:

- Alice in Wonderland
- Cars 2

1. I demuxed the files with tsmuxer.
2. Created Files with tsmuxer.
3. Create mini-iso with dvdfab and Mount it in virtual drive
4. Created iso-file with imgburn
5. Play this two files over Network on Panasonic BD 450.

Everythink was ok ! not one Error..

The only Problem i have: In tsmuxer-gui, i get error, when source and Destination drive is not the same.

[jsmoovey]

HWK-
I want to be able to store ALL movies on NAS and stream them to what ever device in the home. Primarily to main tv where I have HiMedia 900B Connected. So far, the only problems I have are with multi-branching (2D and 3D) - they skip and freeze. Some Full HD DTS 3D movies stream fine, while most do not. I have concluded that it was due to having too much information in the stream.

Although I have a Gigabit Lan that can handle approximately 110mbs, the media players can only handle approximately 10mbs. Mind you I have researched the reason for months and just recently found out that just because a connection is gigabit, doesn't mean your going to get those speeds. HiMedia is one of the fastest clocking in around 10-14mbs. The computers on the LAN can handle a lot more bandwith, but I am concentrating on just the Media devices right now. Not interested in building my own PC (Due to lack of software). Really need a solution that would work with all devices including Samsung and Sony 3D tvs. (A solution that preserves the original encode or comes close to it...Not top / Bottom)

So I was thrilled that we can now essentially strip unwanted content from the streams and save both bandwidth & drive space without sacrificing picture quality. Unfortunately, the stripping of unwanted content only helps a little when it comes to streaming 3D and Multi-branching Blu Rays.

So I'm looking for the best way to store 3D / Multi-branching movies on my Synology NAS (in English 5.1 only), and stream to all devices in the home. I believe TSmuxer is the answer. But movies still may have to be re-encoded in the end. If so, is there currently consumer software that can do this? Can I simply use DVDfab to encode two separate files, one for each eye, then have TSmuxer mux them together?

I'm having tremendous problems with Finding Nemo 3D because it branches. I know this because I can re-encode movie using top / bottom and the movie plays 100% fine. However, by doing top / bottom, I loose picture quality.

[HWK]

tried with usb through lg blu ray player as a m2ts file doesnt even play war z sample

played in panasonic 3dtv gt60 just pink piocture

Rusty666, is this sample I gave you if so thanks for trying. I tired on TMT 5 and they worked. I will see if I can get to bottom of this.