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TrueHD is lossless audio, DD and DTS are both lossy. If you wish to retain TrueHD quality, either convert the audio to LPCM, WAV or FLAC with eac3to, or mux the original TrueHD stream to Bluray structure using tsMuxer (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134104).
I suggest you read up on both tools, decide what it is you need to acheive, and then come and ask for assistance using the tools if you still need it. I get the impression that you don't really know what you are trying to do at the moment :)
Cheers, Beastie.
Thanks for the reply Beastie,
My goal is I want to get these TrueHD format BD movies I back up from my HTPC to my pre-amp. I did not finish the threads since most of the posts are talking about how to do it. I just want to see is this the right tool for me before I convert the BD audio stream. So to sum up: This is a tool to convert TrueHD audio format to LPCM, WAV or FLAC and output to our receivers. Right?
If it is the case, I guess this is not for me since I want to get the TrueHD to my pre-amp using HDMI 1.3, right? Yes, I realize as of today there is nothing can output TrueHD to pre-amp from our HTPC yet. From best of my knowledge, in the future x-tension card from Auzentech or Intel G45 MB will be the hardewares we need in order to output the TrueHD format from our HTPC to receiver.
nautilus7
13th May 2008, 19:52
What is your video format? Do you plan to use the BD's as they are or have you convert them to mkv?
HDMI 1.3 is useful if you need to transfer TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM (and decoded FLAC) audio. Otherwise you can use spdif for AC3 and DTS or analog for all the previous.
hi guys I'm quite new to this burning blu-ray thing and i seem to be having way to much problems with the audio. I've followed many of the tutorials and am stuck with the audio not being liked by a eac3to. I've started with evodemux and got the audio (ddp) and video (vc1) fine. video works fine ran it with vc1conv and ran muigenerator and works fine with scenarist. the audio on the other hand gives me a problem when i try to run it with eac3to says
"eac3to v2.45
command line: eac3to d:\temp\vc1\audio1.ddp d:\temp\vc1\audio.wavs -sonic
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AC3, 2.0 channels, 1:49:00, 192kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
Removing dialog normalization...
The Sonic (E-)AC3 Decoder applies DRC.
Decoding with DirectShow (Sonic Audio Decoder)...
DirectShow reports 5.1 channels, 16 bits, 48khz
Writing WAVs...
Creating file "d:\temp\vc1\audio.R.wav"...
Creating file "d:\temp\vc1\audio.L.wav"...
This track is not clean. Processing aborted.
Please clean the track with delaycut and then retry eac3to.
Aborted at file position 2424832.
"
so i use delaycut and i get this in my logfile
"[Input info]
Bitrate=1087
Actual rate=1087.000000
Sampling Frec=48000
TotalFrames=108247
Bytesperframe=1450.0000
Filesize=156959019
FrameDuration= 10.6716
Framespersecond= 93.7069
Duration=00:19:22.659
Channels mode=2/0: L+R
LFE=LFE: Not present
[Target info]
StartFrame=0
EndFrame=108246
NotFixedDelay= 0.0000
Duration=00:19:15.165
====== PROCESSING LOG ======================
Time 00:00:00.000; Frame#= 1. Crc error SILENCED: read = DDDD; calculated=6DB0
Time 00:00:00.010; Frame#= 2. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 682 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.021; Frame#= 3. Crc error SILENCED: read = DDDD; calculated=1BDF
Time 00:00:00.032; Frame#= 4. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 682 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.042; Frame#= 5. Crc error SILENCED: read = DDDD; calculated=5FB5
Time 00:00:00.053; Frame#= 6. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 682 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.064; Frame#= 7. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #1 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.064; Frame#= 7. Crc error SILENCED: read = 6108; calculated=BC0F
Time 00:00:00.074; Frame#= 8. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2556 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.085; Frame#= 9. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #7 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.085; Frame#= 9. Crc error SILENCED: read = 5369; calculated=F18A
Time 00:00:00.096; Frame#= 10. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2594 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.106; Frame#= 11. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #9 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.106; Frame#= 11. Crc error SILENCED: read = F33F; calculated=2029
Time 00:00:00.117; Frame#= 12. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2368 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.128; Frame#= 13. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #11 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.128; Frame#= 13. Crc error SILENCED: read = 4967; calculated=4827
Time 00:00:00.138; Frame#= 14. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1122 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.149; Frame#= 15. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #13 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.149; Frame#= 15. Crc error SILENCED: read = F9F3; calculated=0748
Time 00:00:00.160; Frame#= 16. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 848 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.170; Frame#= 17. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #15 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.170; Frame#= 17. Crc error SILENCED: read = 73ED; calculated=D95D
Time 00:00:00.181; Frame#= 18. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1098 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.192; Frame#= 19. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #17 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.192; Frame#= 19. Crc error SILENCED: read = 956B; calculated=556A
Time 00:00:00.202; Frame#= 20. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2818 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.213; Frame#= 21. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #19 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.213; Frame#= 21. Crc error SILENCED: read = BD43; calculated=1C7C
Time 00:00:00.224; Frame#= 22. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 340 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.234; Frame#= 23. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #21 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.234; Frame#= 23. Crc error SILENCED: read = 9136; calculated=5577
Time 00:00:00.245; Frame#= 24. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 638 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.256; Frame#= 25. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #23 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.256; Frame#= 25. Crc error SILENCED: read = 1709; calculated=8263
Time 00:00:00.266; Frame#= 26. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2442 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.277; Frame#= 27. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #25 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.277; Frame#= 27. Crc error SILENCED: read = 6734; calculated=7FA9
Time 00:00:00.288; Frame#= 28. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 608 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.298; Frame#= 29. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #27 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.298; Frame#= 29. Crc error SILENCED: read = 000A; calculated=9DC4
Time 00:00:00.309; Frame#= 30. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 460 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.320; Frame#= 31. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #29 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.320; Frame#= 31. Crc error SILENCED: read = 9F3E; calculated=DBC1
Time 00:00:00.330; Frame#= 32. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1606 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.341; Frame#= 33. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #31 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.341; Frame#= 33. Crc error SILENCED: read = C235; calculated=BDE2
Time 00:00:00.352; Frame#= 34. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 742 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.362; Frame#= 35. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #33 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.362; Frame#= 35. Crc error SILENCED: read = ACC2; calculated=A802
Time 00:00:00.373; Frame#= 36. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 3028 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.384; Frame#= 37. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #35 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.384; Frame#= 37. Crc error SILENCED: read = E02F; calculated=8C7F
Time 00:00:00.394; Frame#= 38. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 428 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.405; Frame#= 39. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #37 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.405; Frame#= 39. Crc error SILENCED: read = 7D0B; calculated=7D78
Time 00:00:00.416; Frame#= 40. Unsynchronized frame...SKIPPED 716 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.426; Frame#= 41. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #39 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.426; Frame#= 41. Crc error SILENCED: read = 9F3E; calculated=5FC6
Time 00:00:00.437; Frame#= 42. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 98 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.448; Frame#= 43. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #41 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.448; Frame#= 43. Crc error SILENCED: read = F9F3; calculated=4D21
Time 00:00:00.458; Frame#= 44. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2426 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.469; Frame#= 45. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #43 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.469; Frame#= 45. Crc error SILENCED: read = 256D; calculated=0F85
Time 00:00:00.480; Frame#= 46. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1738 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.490; Frame#= 47. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #45 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.490; Frame#= 47. Crc error SILENCED: read = C1B0; calculated=1DD6
Time 00:00:00.501; Frame#= 48. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2842 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.512; Frame#= 49. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #47 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.512; Frame#= 49. Crc error SILENCED: read = 7CF9; calculated=5FB1
Time 00:00:00.522; Frame#= 50. Unsynchronized frame...SKIPPED 654 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.533; Frame#= 51. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #49 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.533; Frame#= 51. Crc error SILENCED: read = 51DB; calculated=D9A1
Time 00:00:00.544; Frame#= 52. Unsynchronized frame...SKIPPED 154 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.554; Frame#= 53. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #51 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.554; Frame#= 53. Crc error SILENCED: read = 9671; calculated=4954
Time 00:00:00.565; Frame#= 54. Unsynchronized frame...SKIPPED 102 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.576; Frame#= 55. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #53 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.576; Frame#= 55. Crc error SILENCED: read = F099; calculated=6DFE
Time 00:00:00.586; Frame#= 56. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1178 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.597; Frame#= 57. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #55 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.597; Frame#= 57. Crc error SILENCED: read = 4FFB; calculated=1418
Time 00:00:00.608; Frame#= 58. Unsynchronized frame...SKIPPED 90 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.618; Frame#= 59. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #57 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.618; Frame#= 59. Crc error SILENCED: read = 7E92; calculated=759D
Time 00:00:00.629; Frame#= 60. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 2686 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.640; Frame#= 61. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #59 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.640; Frame#= 61. Crc error SILENCED: read = 986F; calculated=02B0
Time 00:00:00.650; Frame#= 62. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1060 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.661; Frame#= 63. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #61 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.661; Frame#= 63. Crc error SILENCED: read = 007B; calculated=50A2
Time 00:00:00.672; Frame#= 64. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1932 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.682; Frame#= 65. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #63 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.682; Frame#= 65. Crc error SILENCED: read = E069; calculated=53D2
Time 00:00:00.693; Frame#= 66. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1268 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.704; Frame#= 67. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #65 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.704; Frame#= 67. Crc error SILENCED: read = E7CF; calculated=2E1C
Time 00:00:00.714; Frame#= 68. Unsynchronized frame...REWINDED 1618 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:00.725; Frame#= 69. Some basic parameters changed between Frame #67 and this frame
Time 00:00:00.725; Frame#= 69. Crc error SILENCED: read = C328; calculated=441F
Too Many Errors. Stop Logging.
Number of written frames = 202844
Number of Errors= 607898
"
then when i run it into eac3to again i get this
"eac3to v2.45
command line: eac3to d:\temp\vc1\audio1_fixed.ddp d:\temp\vc1\audio.wavs -sonic
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The format of the source file could not be detected.
"
I have searched for days now for answers and I am stumped if anyone can help me out i would really appreciate it.
i also have my main audio file available from rapidshare
http://rapidshare.com/files/114658575/audio1.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/114652825/audio1.part2.rar
Beastie Boy
13th May 2008, 20:31
I've started with evodemux and got the audio (ddp) and video (vc1) fine
You have more chance of success if you use eac3to for the whole process. Load you m2ts or EVO files into eac3to and take it from there. See the first post for some example command lines, or check out the thread for eac3to_and_more_gui
Cheers, Beastie.
madshi
13th May 2008, 20:48
@OHB, your audio file is AC3 and not E-AC3. You can trust in what eac3to tells you about it. But you named the file "*.ddp". Now ddp stands for Dolby Digital Plus which is another term for E-AC3. That means you've named the file incorrectly. That doesn't matter for eac3to cause eac3to (mostly) ignores the file extension of source files. However, delaycut depends on the file having the correct file extension. So take the original audio file (*not* the one delaycut produced!), rename it to something.ac3 and then run it through delaycut again.
P.S: Furthermore you shouldn't really use Sonic for AC3 and E-AC3 decoding. Sonic is a bad decoder to use for that format (see first post of this thread). Use Nero or libav instead. Or just leave the decision to eac3to instead of forcing a specific decoder.
wildchild22
13th May 2008, 21:02
Is there a way you can leave the last end of sequence code in the file at the very end of the movie? I am asking because I like to let my istar hd 1.3 play a file right through then repeat and now where the end of sequence code is removed when encoding to mkv it just plays a black screen without audio or video after the movie finishes. ( I do this to make sure the movie plays all the way though before I watch anything with my wife. Too many bad movie nights with the 169time mod for directv for her to ever trust any high definition playback)
What is your video format? Do you plan to use the BD's as they are or have you convert them to mkv?
HDMI 1.3 is useful if you need to transfer TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM (and decoded FLAC) audio. Otherwise you can use spdif for AC3 and DTS or analog for all the previous.
Hi nautilus,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I intended just for the BD movies. But I still don't get the idea behind and I believed I must miss something here...
So with this tool, I will able to convert the TrueHD audio to the format I mentioned before via SPDIF out to our receiver, right? So this is probably a solution for interim means before we are fully able to send TrueHD via HDMI 1.3 to receiver or someone just prefer without TrueHD receiver, right? Also, after the conversion completed, do we need to do another conversion to convert it back in order to send the TrueHD out?
Thank you.
nautilus7
13th May 2008, 22:48
Audio conversion is needed for pc playback for 2 reasons:
1. No available directshow decoders for e-ac3, truehd, dts-hd
2. It's impossible to transmit these formats through spdif for decoding by the receiver.
If you want to play your Blu-ray movies (either backed up on your hard disc as they are or directly from the discs) you don't need any conversions. Simply use powerdvd or another player and set audio output to hdmi.
If you want to back up your blu-rays as a different format (matroska .mkv) and play them from your htpc, you need to use eac3to.
If you just want to back up your blu-rays and also strip the extras from them (or unwanted audio streams) use tsmuxer (no audio conversions needed).
If you want to create movie back ups with blu-ray structure from whatever source also use tsmuxer (perhaps you need to do some audio conversions).
Audio conversion is needed for pc playback for 2 reasons:
1. No available directshow decoders for e-ac3, truehd, dts-hd
2. It's impossible to transmit these formats through spdif for decoding by the receiver.
If you want to play your Blu-ray movies (either backed up on your hard disc as they are or directly from the discs) you don't need any conversions. Simply use powerdvd or another player and set audio output to hdmi.
If you want to back up your blu-rays as a different format (matroska .mkv) and play them from your htpc, you need to use eac3to.
If you just want to back up your blu-rays and also strip the extras from them (or unwanted audio streams) use tsmuxer (no audio conversions needed).
If you want to create movie back ups with blu-ray structure from whatever source also use tsmuxer (perhaps you need to do some audio conversions).
Got it. On the other words, in the mean time since software, PDVD8 is down streaming 24/48 and hardware, no HDMI 1.3 audio card available yet, I can use this conversion and make the BD TrueHD audio to different audio format and output it to our pre-amp via SPDIF.
thanks for the help guys i got audio to ac3 using the main evo file. Thanks beastie boy. now im facing another little problem with getting audio to sync up with video in scenarist. im following the steps thoroughly changing the audio to 23.976 for vc1 but the output m2ts file has syncing issue
gregt
14th May 2008, 06:42
Madshi,
I know Nero 8 has been discussed here previously, but I was wondering why eac3to is not able to use it's codecs. I am able to use them in GraphEdit to render most hidef files (like vc1, h264 - some times I have to change the extension to mpeg2). I just use 'File Source (Async)' -> 'Nero Video Decoder HD' -> 'Video Renderer'. The filter is located at 'Nero\DSFilter\NeVideoHD.ax". So why can't eac3to utilize Nero 8 filter's?
Also, this may not be of interest to anyone, but a feature that I would like is an option to convert to wmv utilizing the Windows Media Video 9 Avanced Profile instead of mkv. I can find no use for mkv, whereas, wmv allows me to use Zune or WMP11 to play hi-def movies over my 802.11n wireless network with no degradation from my computer to my Xbox 360s. Right now converting mkv to wmv using Windows Media Encoder takes 12-16 hours for a single hi-def movie. I found another tool that can do it in 3-4 hours, but it costs $40 plus it is an additional step plus they will not allow me to move my license to another computer without paying for it again (:mad:). The WM SDK is free so it is just the time for coding it into eac3to. Any thoughts on this?
Finally, the new changes for vob seem to be working well, but I am having a lot of issues with gaps and the audio being out of sync on various movies and TV shows. I have tried with and without gaps for the following DVD movies to no avail:
Blade Runner, Escape from New York, RoboCop, Terminator and also TV show Stargate SG1 Season 6.
Oddly, I had no problems with Stargate SG1 Season 5,8,9 (DVD structure looks the same as season 6) where gaps were detected and I reran eac3to to add them in. Just as a note Nero Recode was able to read and recode Season 6 with no problem, but it is 15x slower than eac3to.
Thanks for all your work on a great and useful tool!
dorati
14th May 2008, 16:23
By default, eac3to removes dialog normalization.
I convert my Audio-Files to AC3 5.1. The Source Files have dialnorm: -27db.
For what is the remove?
In my created AC3 the Dialog has other Volume? Why not take the default?
thanks for the help guys i got audio to ac3 using the main evo file. Thanks beastie boy. now im facing another little problem with getting audio to sync up with video in scenarist. im following the steps thoroughly changing the audio to 23.976 for vc1 but the output m2ts file has syncing issue
and another thing i just realized is that my video length is 214:43:04 and audio length is 147:48:10 any ideas how to fix this?
Yraen
14th May 2008, 22:26
Madshi,
I know Nero 8 has been discussed here previously, but I was wondering why eac3to is not able to use it's codecs. I am able to use them in GraphEdit to render most hidef files (like vc1, h264 - some times I have to change the extension to mpeg2). I just use 'File Source (Async)' -> 'Nero Video Decoder HD' -> 'Video Renderer'. The filter is located at 'Nero\DSFilter\NeVideoHD.ax". So why can't eac3to utilize Nero 8 filter's?
That's the video filters. Those aren't used by eac3to. Can you use the audio filters in graphedit also?
Also, this may not be of interest to anyone, but a feature that I would like is an option to convert to wmv utilizing the Windows Media Video 9 Avanced Profile instead of mkv. I can find no use for mkv, whereas, wmv allows me to use Zune or WMP11 to play hi-def movies over my 802.11n wireless network with no degradation from my computer to my Xbox 360s. Right now converting mkv to wmv using Windows Media Encoder takes 12-16 hours for a single hi-def movie. I found another tool that can do it in 3-4 hours, but it costs $40 plus it is an additional step plus they will not allow me to move my license to another computer without paying for it again (:mad:). The WM SDK is free so it is just the time for coding it into eac3to. Any thoughts on this?
When you use WMV 9 you're converting the video, using mkv you're just placing the video, in it's original form, inside a container. Eac3to doesn't convert the video, it just demuxes/muxes it.
thanks for the help guys i got audio to ac3 using the main evo file.
Main evo file or files? Usually there are two files you'll need to get the entire video and audio.
and another thing i just realized is that my video length is 214:43:04 and audio length is 147:48:10 any ideas how to fix this?
See above, most likely the problem. Try this route:
eac3to "path to movie folder"
Find the titleset you want to demux from.
eac3to "path to movie folder" #)
Replace # with the number of the titleset you want. Now find the tracks listed you want to demux.
eac3to "path to movie folder" #) #: movie.mkv -options #audio.ac3 -options #: chapters.txt
Replace the new # with the number beside the tracks you want.
Those should get you the tracks you want without having to type out the path and file names for the individual evo files.
Main evo file or files? Usually there are two files you'll need to get the entire video and audio.
See above, most likely the problem. Try this route:
eac3to "path to movie folder"
Find the titleset you want to demux from.
eac3to "path to movie folder" #)
Replace # with the number of the titleset you want. Now find the tracks listed you want to demux.
eac3to "path to movie folder" #) #: movie.mkv -options #audio.ac3 -options #: chapters.txt
Replace the new # with the number beside the tracks you want.
Those should get you the tracks you want without having to type out the path and file names for the individual evo files.
its all one big huge evo file sitting at about 12GB. eac3to demuxes the 2 tracks that are in the file no problem. i then try to run the vc1 file into muigenerator and it gives me an error when i run in scenarist. so i clean the track with vc1conv and then run it through muigenerator and then load it up in scenarist and it takes it fine. I do the same for the ac3 file and that loads up fine. the problem that i'm having is that when i mux everything through scenarist again the m2ts file has audio and video off sync. i've tried even runing eac3togui and getting the same results
Yraen
15th May 2008, 02:21
its all one big huge evo file sitting at about 12GB. eac3to demuxes the 2 tracks that are in the file no problem. i then try to run the vc1 file into muigenerator and it gives me an error when i run in scenarist. so i clean the track with vc1conv and then run it through muigenerator and then load it up in scenarist and it takes it fine. I do the same for the ac3 file and that loads up fine. the problem that i'm having is that when i mux everything through scenarist again the m2ts file has audio and video off sync. i've tried even runing eac3togui and getting the same results
What movie is it? If I've got it I'll take a look at it. Every HD-DVD I've got is split up into 2 files, most close to or over 20GB total.
If you go from eac3to to mkv, is the audio and video in sync? Are the times then reported correctly?
bigdog660
15th May 2008, 02:54
I've ran into a few movies where there is just one EVO file. Not common, but I've seen it in about 5 movies out of 30 or so.
What movie is it? If I've got it I'll take a look at it. Every HD-DVD I've got is split up into 2 files, most close to or over 20GB total.
It's an adult movie
If you go from eac3to to mkv, is the audio and video in sync? Are the times then reported correctly?
haven't tried to go to mkv yet, i will try it now once i figure out the command string
Chouonsoku
15th May 2008, 07:46
I just demuxed Nine Inch Nails: Ghosts I-IV and noticed that eac3to downsampled the audio from 96kHz to 48kHz when it was encoded to FLAC.
eac3to v2.46
command line: eac3to "F:\Video\NINE INCH NAILS _ GHOSTS I_IV" 1) 1: chapters.txt 2: video.h264 3: english.flac
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 1:50:17
1: Chapters, 36 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 96khz
Creating file "chapters.txt"...
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[a03] Reading RAW/PCM...
[a03] Swapping endian...
[a03] Encoding FLAC...
[v02] Creating file "video.h264"...
[a03] Creating file "english.flac"...
Video track 2 contains 158662 frames.
eac3to processing took 25 minutes, 40 seconds.
Done.
Is that something that's done automatically? If so, shouldn't that be something that would be done at a users discretion? When I encode my audio track to FLAC, I want to maintain the exact quality of the source audio. Not degrade it to save space.
madshi
15th May 2008, 08:35
Is there a way you can leave the last end of sequence code in the file at the very end of the movie?
That should be possible.
now im facing another little problem with getting audio to sync up with video in scenarist.
and another thing i just realized is that my video length is 214:43:04 and audio length is 147:48:10 any ideas how to fix this?
i then try to run the vc1 file into muigenerator and it gives me an error when i run in scenarist. so i clean the track with vc1conv and then run it through muigenerator and then load it up in scenarist and it takes it fine.
What does all this have to do with eac3to? Please don't ask in this thread about how to use Scenarist or muigenerator. Please post here about strictly eac3to related questions/problems/suggestions, only. I've never used Scenarist or muigenerator myself yet, so I can't help with that. What you might want to test is to let eac3to mux your movie into an MKV. If that works fine then eac3to probably does everything correctly. If you still have problems with Scenarist or other tools then the problem probably lies outside of eac3to.
why can't eac3to utilize Nero 8 filter's?
When I last tried Nero 8, the audio decoder was not accessible outside of Nero ShowTime. Not in eac3to and also not in GraphEdit. If things changed then that is nice! But I'd like to have confirmation from at least 2 different persons about that before I take the time to install Nero 8 again...
Also, this may not be of interest to anyone, but a feature that I would like is an option to convert to wmv utilizing the Windows Media Video 9 Avanced Profile instead of mkv.
You mean reencoding? That's outside of the scope of what eac3to is about. I'm not considering adding such features at this point in time.
Finally, the new changes for vob seem to be working well, but I am having a lot of issues with gaps and the audio being out of sync on various movies and TV shows. I have tried with and without gaps for the following DVD movies to no avail:
Blade Runner, Escape from New York, RoboCop, Terminator and also TV show Stargate SG1 Season 6.
Oddly, I had no problems with Stargate SG1 Season 5,8,9 (DVD structure looks the same as season 6) where gaps were detected and I reran eac3to to add them in.
I don't have any of these DVDs (I only buy Blu-Rays these days). So the list of titles doesn't help me much. If you want me to fix this problem I need more detailed information. The first thing to do would be to compare all the DVDs which show these problems. Do they all behave similar in some way? E.g. do you always get only audio gaps and no video gaps? Or always only video gaps and no audio gaps? Also do the gaps always occur directly on the join points of the VOB files? What happens if you ignore the gaps, is audio sync wrong/correct then? What happens if you let eac3to fix the gaps, is audio sync wrong/correct then? Finally, if you found a pattern in where things go wrong exactly, I'd probably need a little sample...
By default, eac3to removes dialog normalization.
I convert my Audio-Files to AC3 5.1. The Source Files have dialnorm: -27db.
For what is the remove?
In my created AC3 the Dialog has other Volume? Why not take the default?
Some of this is explained in the first post of this thread. For general information about dialog normalization please do a google search. Thanks.
I just demuxed Nine Inch Nails: Ghosts I-IV and noticed that eac3to downsampled the audio from 96kHz to 48kHz when it was encoded to FLAC.
The log you posted does not indicate that downsampling was done. Why do you think that eac3to downsampled the audio? eac3to normally doesn't downsample unless you ask it to. Is the final FLAC file signaled as being 48kHz? If so, that's most probably a bug. And in that case probably the FLAC doesn't play correctly?
BlackJack1
15th May 2008, 13:03
I asked before but no answer... :-(
I can not drag'n'drop eac3to app. and hddvd/bd files to cmd window on Vista system on my laptop. Do you know how to fix it? In desktop machine with WinXP - no problem...
Please help.
Sorry if it's noob question.
bonanza
15th May 2008, 13:31
Hi,
My commandline:
eac3to.exe "C:\Users\x\Desktop\lowen.ac3" "C:\Users\x\Desktop\lowen_x.ac3" -448 -slowdown
Error: "This audio conversion is not supported."
Why ? I just want to slowdown this AC3.
Im using "eac3to v2.46" and "EAC3to Conversion Utility v2.00" (GUI)
thx for your help in advance!
tenkai
15th May 2008, 18:42
madshi, are u planning to import Bluray Sub demuxing? It would be a amazing feature.. i could stick to eac3to only ;)
greets
cghebert
15th May 2008, 19:20
Hi all,
First time poster but I have been following the thread on and off for a while. I recently got one of the new geforce 8200 motherboards that can send multichannel LPCM over HDMI and have been trying to get it setup properly. I am currently running it in XP SP3. I was able to create a 6 channel FLAC file no problem using eac3, and it plays fine in MPC with madflac. However, for some reason my receiver thinks it is getting a 7.1 channel file, instead of a 5.1 channel file, and the surround right and left channels come out of the surround back right and surround back left channels (I have a 7.1 system), while the surround left and right speakers are silent. All the other speakers (including sub), seem to work fine, except for stuttering, which is most certainly a driver issue, since it happens for all audio tracks.
What I'm trying to figure out is whether this is a another driver issue (quite possibly), or an issue related to how eac3 encodes the tracks. Maybe it is encoding the side surrounds as the back surrounds? This seems unlikely and I can't seem to find any reason why eac3 would, but hopefully someone can chime in and shed some light on the situation.
idbirch2
15th May 2008, 20:16
i then try to run the vc1 file into muigenerator and it gives me an error when i run in scenarist. so i clean the track with vc1conv and then run it through muigenerator and then load it up in scenarist and it takes it fine. I do the same for the ac3 file and that loads up fine. the problem that i'm having is that when i mux everything through scenarist again the m2ts file has audio and video off sync. If you process your video with vc1conv, you must change the framerate of your audio in Sceanarist to 23.976. When you first import it into Scenarist, it will be set to 29.97.
Thunderbolt8
15th May 2008, 20:51
btw. is chapter demuxing for blu-rays (and HD DVDs) already supported? cant remember that atm. if not would it be possible to add this function then, should be nice for concerts (otherwise you'd have to write down the time when each title begins and then search for it manually).
in case if not, does anyone know then if another tool can already do that, so that I could demux chapters and use them for .mkv remuxing? thanks!
Yraen
15th May 2008, 21:26
btw. is chapter demuxing for blu-rays (and HD DVDs) already supported?
Yes it is.
Thunderbolt8
15th May 2008, 21:44
also for blu-ray? just tried "eac3to X:\00076.m2ts", main movie file for face-off, but no chapters displayed.
tried it with the complete movie directory then "eac3to X:\face", but nothing there as well, listed were only the .pls and .m2ts file for the main movie and the audio+video specifications.
or do maybe not all discs include chapters at all?
edit: eac3to X:\dir 1) then did it -.-
another question, which files are needed to have chapter demuxing working? the main movie file(s) of course, but which else? I guess its enough just to additionally have the directory structure and then certain info files for each type? which are these exactly?
Yraen
15th May 2008, 22:14
another question, which files are needed to have chapter demuxing working? the main movie file(s) of course, but which else? I guess its enough just to additionally have the directory structure and then certain info files for each type? which are these exactly?
eac3to x:\folder will list the .mpls files and the .m2ts files they correspond to. You need those .mpls files and probably the folder structure.
Thunderbolt8
15th May 2008, 22:21
can I give the chapter files any name and ending I like to? apparently the mkvmerge chapter editor recognizes them as such, no matter which name I choose. do I have to be beware of anything else when muxing chapters? or is it just as easy as adding video+audio+chapters in mkvmerge and then just mux, without having to specify or change anything?
Yraen
15th May 2008, 22:33
Name it what you want. It's going to be written in the same format regardless, one that mkvmerge accepts. In mkvmerge it is as easy as adding it all in and muxing. There are a few titles out there that will list more chapters than they actually have, so you might end up with more chapter points than if you watched the disc in a BD player.
nautilus7
15th May 2008, 23:18
I have a suggestion/proposal regarding chapters.
In HD DVD there's a possibility the chapters to have or not names and in blu-ray not such thing. Anyway, when chapter names aren't available haali media splitter displays them like in the 1st screen. But when names are available, even if they are chapter 1, chapter 2, etc are displayed like in screen 2, which in my opinion is much prettier. So, what i want to ask is eac3to to add names (chapter 1, chapter 2, etc) when they aren't available from the source.
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Thunderbolt8
15th May 2008, 23:25
Name it what you want. It's going to be written in the same format regardless, one that mkvmerge accepts. In mkvmerge it is as easy as adding it all in and muxing. There are a few titles out there that will list more chapters than they actually have, so you might end up with more chapter points than if you watched the disc in a BD player.
is there any way to check this? i mean checking against a program which lists it correctly (bdedit?)
usually it shouldnt matter that much, but when it comes to concert stuff it should better work lile 1 chapter = 1 music title on the disc.
I have a suggestion/proposal regarding chapters.
In HD DVD there's a possibility the chapters to have or not names and in blu-ray not such thing. Anyway, when chapter names aren't available haali media splitter displays them like in the 1st screen. But when names are available, even if they are chapter 1, chapter 2, etc are displayed like in screen 2, which in my opinion is much prettier. So, what i want to ask is eac3to to add names (chapter 1, chapter 2, etc) when they aren't available from the source.
agree, would be much easier for music stuff again, then one wouldnt always have to count from top or bottom down-/upwards when for example looking title 12 of 20.
Yraen
15th May 2008, 23:33
is there any way to check this? i mean checking against a program which lists it correctly (bdedit?)
usually it shouldnt matter that much, but when it comes to concert stuff it should better work lile 1 chapter = 1 music title on the disc.
Yes. BDedit will show it to you. Go to the playlist tab, select the correct mpls and in the playlist mark section at the bottom is the chapters. entry-mark are chapters and link point are something else, a link of some type to that spot in the movie. Terminator 3 is one that is loaded with link points, 2-3 per entry point, resulting in 97 chapters.
I have a suggestion/proposal regarding chapters.
A good suggestion. If madshi doesn't want to or can't get it, I can get the gui to check and write the chapter names upon creation.
nautilus7
15th May 2008, 23:51
Ok, thanks Yraen.
I have a problem converting chcken little blu-ray to mkv. I get glitches in the 10 first seconds of the video. After that everything is fine. I made a sample (http://www.sendspace.com/file/5421g7). Tried different decoders/renderers during playback, nothing changed.
When i muxed (to mkv) the complete source file, i got an error that haali muxer can't handle the source, and used -seektoIfrmaes switch. This error popped quite deep into the file, so i don't thing it's related. Sample doesn't make haali muxer complain, anyway.
If you process your video with vc1conv, you must change the framerate of your audio in Sceanarist to 23.976. When you first import it into Scenarist, it will be set to 29.97.
did it already still same output. but maybe its not registering. i dont know
Chouonsoku
16th May 2008, 01:43
The log you posted does not indicate that downsampling was done. Why do you think that eac3to downsampled the audio? eac3to normally doesn't downsample unless you ask it to. Is the final FLAC file signaled as being 48kHz? If so, that's most probably a bug. And in that case probably the FLAC doesn't play correctly?
MediaInfo, dbPowerAmp, Winamp and foobar all saw the file as 48kHz. I had to demux the audio track to PCM and then encode to FLAC with eac3to after forcing all the settings.
eac3to v2.46
command line: "E:\Tools\HD\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "F:\Video\NINE INCH NAILS _ GHOSTS I_IV\demux\english.pcm" "F:\Video\NINE INCH NAILS _ GHOSTS I_IV\demux\english.flac" -96000 -override -24 -big -2
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RAW/PCM, 2.0 channels, 1:50:18, 24 bits, 96khz
Reading RAW/PCM...
Swapping endian...
Encoding FLAC...
Creating file "F:\Video\NINE INCH NAILS _ GHOSTS I_IV\demux\english.flac"...
eac3to processing took 13 minutes, 31 seconds.
Done.
When the PCM file was demuxed, eac3to wasn't reading the file at all, so I had to force the options.
Edit: Another go at demuxing, resulted in a 48 kHz wav file.
eac3to v2.46
command line: eac3to "F:\Video\NINE INCH NAILS _ GHOSTS I_IV\" 1) 1: chapters.txt 2: video.h264 3: audio.wav
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 1:50:17
1: Chapters, 36 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 96khz
Creating file "chapters.txt"...
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[a03] Reading RAW/PCM...
[a03] Swapping endian...
[a03] Writing WAV...
[v02] Creating file "video.h264"...
[a03] Creating file "audio.wav"...
[a03] Caution: The WAV file is bigger than 2GB.
[a03] Some WAV readers might not be able to handle this file correctly.
Video track 2 contains 158662 frames.
eac3to processing took 38 minutes, 29 seconds.
Done.
Patsfan123
16th May 2008, 05:04
Quick question, when I am converting a PCM track to FLAC directly from a Blu-ray disc, do I need to use the -blu-ray switch, or will the program recognize that it is a blu-ray from the disc structure?
Chouonsoku
16th May 2008, 05:16
Quick question, when I am converting a PCM track to FLAC directly from a Blu-ray disc, do I need to use the -blu-ray switch, or will the program recognize that it is a blu-ray from the disc structure?
eac3to will see it is a Blu-Ray disc from the file structure and remap channels accordingly.
rkorkie
16th May 2008, 16:26
In a previous post in this thread (#4588), the error I've encountered on the Top Gun HD DVD still exists:
"The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the 7th channel".
Just a friendly reminder that the bug still exists, in case anyone is interested. I will wait for a bugfix before I process this one.
Here is the log:
Extracting Tracks from "FEATURE_1.EVO"+"FEATURE_2.EVO"
EVO, 1 video track, 5 audio tracks, 6 subtitle tracks, 1:49:38
1: Joined EVO file
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9) with pulldown flags
3: TrueHD, 5.1 channels, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -84ms
4: DTS-ES, 6.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbit/s, 48khz, -84ms
5: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 768kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -84ms
6: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 448kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -84ms
7: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 448kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -84ms
8: Subtitle
9: Subtitle
10: Subtitle
11: Subtitle
12: Subtitle
13: Subtitle
[a04] The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the 7th channel.
eac3to crashed...
madshi
16th May 2008, 17:12
Finally, the new changes for vob seem to be working well, but I am having a lot of issues with gaps and the audio being out of sync on various movies and TV shows.
P.S: Does eac3to detect the problematic DVDs to have pulldown flags? If so, please try using the "-keepPulldown" switch. Maybe that helps getting rid of the issues? I suspect that maybe those DVDs have mixed video/film content which eac3to may fail to properly detect. If that is the case the "-keepPulldown" switch should fully solve the problem.
I asked before but no answer... :-(
I can not drag'n'drop eac3to app. and hddvd/bd files to cmd window on Vista system on my laptop. Do you know how to fix it?
I've no idea. I don't think this is a problem I can fix in eac3to.
My commandline:
eac3to.exe "C:\Users\x\Desktop\lowen.ac3" "C:\Users\x\Desktop\lowen_x.ac3" -448 -slowdown
Error: "This audio conversion is not supported."
Why ? I just want to slowdown this AC3.
Works for me. Can you please post the full log text? Please don't type it. Please copy&paste it. Thanks.
madshi, are u planning to import Bluray Sub demuxing?
Yes.
First time poster but I have been following the thread on and off for a while. I recently got one of the new geforce 8200 motherboards that can send multichannel LPCM over HDMI and have been trying to get it setup properly. I am currently running it in XP SP3. I was able to create a 6 channel FLAC file no problem using eac3, and it plays fine in MPC with madflac. However, for some reason my receiver thinks it is getting a 7.1 channel file, instead of a 5.1 channel file, and the surround right and left channels come out of the surround back right and surround back left channels (I have a 7.1 system), while the surround left and right speakers are silent. All the other speakers (including sub), seem to work fine, except for stuttering, which is most certainly a driver issue, since it happens for all audio tracks.
What I'm trying to figure out is whether this is a another driver issue (quite possibly), or an issue related to how eac3 encodes the tracks. Maybe it is encoding the side surrounds as the back surrounds? This seems unlikely and I can't seem to find any reason why eac3 would, but hopefully someone can chime in and shed some light on the situation.
Hmmmm... This may be a bug in madFlac or in the driver. Don't know for sure. It's definitely not a bug in eac3to. Can you please post a report in the madFlac thread?
I have a suggestion/proposal regarding chapters.
In HD DVD there's a possibility the chapters to have or not names and in blu-ray not such thing. Anyway, when chapter names aren't available haali media splitter displays them like in the 1st screen. But when names are available, even if they are chapter 1, chapter 2, etc are displayed like in screen 2, which in my opinion is much prettier. So, what i want to ask is eac3to to add names (chapter 1, chapter 2, etc) when they aren't available from the source.
I generally don't like the idea of manipulating our precious muxes just to work around how a specific filter behaves. What happens if in 6 months there's a new filter (or a new version of Haali's filter) which works differently? Maybe that new filter shows "chapter xyz" by itself - and in the locale language of the OS? The muxes we create today would then not be able to make use of that. Instead we'd see the hardcoded english text.
Still if the majority of you guys prefer to have eac3to fill in a "dummy" chapter text, I can add that. So let me know your opinion. Also, would you prefer "chapter" to be written as "Chapter" or as "chapter"?
I have a problem converting chcken little blu-ray to mkv. I get glitches in the 10 first seconds of the video. After that everything is fine. I made a sample (http://www.sendspace.com/file/5421g7). Tried different decoders/renderers during playback, nothing changed.
Thanks, will give that a try.
In a previous post in this thread (#4588), the error I've encountered on the Top Gun HD DVD still exists:
"The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the 7th channel".
Just a friendly reminder that the bug still exists, in case anyone is interested. I will wait for a bugfix before I process this one.
Are you sure that you're using eac3to v2.46? Please check the log file to make sure. I don't understand why you should have this problem. It works for me with an external DTS-ES file at least. Don't have an EVO file ready with a DTS-ES track in it, though.
MediaInfo, dbPowerAmp, Winamp and foobar all saw the file as 48kHz. I had to demux the audio track to PCM and then encode to FLAC with eac3to after forcing all the settings.
When the PCM file was demuxed, eac3to wasn't reading the file at all, so I had to force the options.
Edit: Another go at demuxing, resulted in a 48 kHz wav file.
Hmmmm... I've checked, I don't have a m2ts sample here with 96kHz PCM in it. Would you mind uploading a little sample for me? 20MB should do the trick. Thanks!
nautilus7
16th May 2008, 17:42
I generally don't like the idea of manipulating our precious muxes just to work around how a specific filter behaves. What happens if in 6 months there's a new filter (or a new version of Haali's filter) which works differently? Maybe that new filter shows "chapter xyz" by itself - and in the locale language of the OS? The muxes we create today would then not be able to make use of that. Instead we'd see the hardcoded english text.
Still if the majority of you guys prefer to have eac3to fill in a "dummy" chapter text, I can add that. So let me know your opinion. Also, would you prefer "chapter" to be written as "Chapter" or as "chapter"?
I see your point. It's not a big deal though... We can always add chapter names manually afterwards (or use alternates like Yraen's GUI), so it doesn't really matter. (It's just a came across a movie with ~50 chapters recently and i was bored adding the names :p )
Anyway, if you are for it, i vote for capital C.
rkorkie
16th May 2008, 18:57
Are you sure that you're using eac3to v2.46? Please check the log file to make sure. I don't understand why you should have this problem. It works for me with an external DTS-ES file at least. Don't have an EVO file ready with a DTS-ES track in it, though.!
Yes, I just checked the changelog and I'm using 2.46. Are there any other suggestions or command lines you'd like me to try to see if I can fix this? Is there a way to splice an EVO file and upload it so we can test on a smaller chunk?
madshi
16th May 2008, 21:42
Yes, I just checked the changelog and I'm using 2.46. Are there any other suggestions or command lines you'd like me to try to see if I can fix this? Is there a way to splice an EVO file and upload it so we can test on a smaller chunk?
You could use a hexeditor to create a small sample. Or you could let EvoDemux rebuild the EVO - and then abort the rebuilding process after 20MB are created and then upload those 20MB.
EPiPH0NE
16th May 2008, 21:56
Yes, I just checked the changelog and I'm using 2.46. Are there any other suggestions or command lines you'd like me to try to see if I can fix this? Is there a way to splice an EVO file and upload it so we can test on a smaller chunk?
Or for a cleaner way you can use HDBDsplit.
rkorkie
16th May 2008, 22:06
You could use a hexeditor to create a small sample. Or you could let EvoDemux rebuild the EVO - and then abort the rebuilding process after 20MB are created and then upload those 20MB.
I have a 20MB file ready. Where should I upload? I'd rather not use rapidshare or things like that. Do you have an anonymous FTP or something?
rkorkie
16th May 2008, 22:11
Or for a cleaner way you can use HDBDsplit.
I just tried HDBDSplit and it couldn't process the EVO. Said it couldn't write the files. fyi.
Yraen
16th May 2008, 23:50
madshi,
I've been thinking about the blank chapters. If you don't want to include it in eac3to I can add a user input to allow the user to change "Chapter" to whatever they wish. If you do include it, I vote capital C also. :)
stinman
17th May 2008, 00:02
Hi,I been trying to get eac3to to work for me but for the life of me I can not!:mad: A guy said to use eac3to find the play list along with the mlp audio tracks and then just bring the ones you choose up with TsmuxeR.I have the 2.46 version of eac3to,the command line and the gui.He said to use the command line version to get what I want.I do not want to re encode anything,I just want to cut it down in size,like get rid of extras and all the other lang and stuff.I have eat up all most 1.5 tbs of Hdd space.The command line version is in my program files,thats where I un zipped it to.What would be the exact command to use to get it to read the play list from a Blu-Ray disk from the drive or the folder.I have Dejau on my "L" hard drive,blu-ray ripped with AnydvdHD.I have other iso's also on same drive.I do not know how to write commands.Can you help me?Thanks
Mark
stinman
17th May 2008, 00:31
Dejavu has a bunch of chapters I guess because there is 7 or 8 m2ts files with 4gbs and under.I tried for hours last night to get eac3to give me a reading from the disk when it was in the DVD\HDDVD\BD\ multi drive by LG that I have.I could get a cmd to pop up with info on it but it would not stay.I started thinking that uac was stopping it but I believe I just do not know the proper commands.If I can see a command I can use it and remember it.So madshi what commands make this program work.All I want to do is see the playlist in the cmd window.Can you help me achieve this? I will be at your command,HaHa
Mark
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