eac3to - audio conversion tool

[rijnton]

Can anyone help me please ? I am getting desparate.
At first I tried remuxing with eac3to, using a trial version of TMT. This went perfect !
So I thought to take the plunge and I bought the retail version of TMT (online download). It turns out to be version 2.1.6.129. But although TMT itself works perfectly, eac3to -test reports that Arcsoft DTS Decoder is not installed.
I already tried a lot of suggested solutions (copying .dll files to eac3to folder, registering commands etc), but nothing works. I also tried the environment path thing, but no success, although I don't know if I did that right. I went to My Computer>Properties>Advanced>Variables and selected Path and clicked Edit and added the value C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin. After that under Name there is PATH and under Value of C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin. Is that the correct way ?
Btw, before installing the "cracked, trial" version I made a Ghost backup and restored from that before installing the legal, bought version.
As I said, I am getting desperate because I bought TMT only for the decoder and now it turns out to be not working. Please help me.

[Killroy™]

Can anyone help me please ? I am getting desparate.
At first I tried remuxing with eac3to, using a trial version of TMT (or actually a non-working cracked version, resulting in still trial.....). This went perfect !
So I thought to take the plunge and I bought the retail version of TMT (online download). It turns out to be version 2.1.6.129. But although TMT itself works perfectly, eac3to -test reports that Arcsoft DTS Decoder is not installed.
I already tried a lot of suggested solutions (copying .dll files to eac3to folder, registering commands etc), but nothing works. I also tried the environment path thing, but no success, although I don't know if I did that right. I went to My Computer>Properties>Advanced>Variables and selected Path and clicked Edit and added the value C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin. After that under Name there is PATH and under Value of C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin. Is that the correct way ?
Btw, before installing the "cracked, trial" version I made a Ghost backup and restored from that before installing the legal, bought version.
As I said, I am getting desperate because I bought TMT only for the decoder and now it turns out to be not working. Please help me.

My experience was that the trial version screws up the install of the Retail (bought) version.

Uninstall the trial, Reboot, delete all Arcsoft folders (even hidden ones), Reboot, and then run a reg cleaner (CCleaner or whatever one you want) and delete all the orphaned registries. Reboot.

And then... this is most important.... run regedit and search for "arcsoft" and "TotalMedia" and delete every single thing that has those names. Reboot.

Install the Retail version and see if that helps. I am sure it will.

[rijnton]

My experience was that the trial version screws up the install of the Retail (bought) version.

Uninstall the trial, Reboot, delete all Arcsoft folders (even hidden ones), Reboot, and then run a reg cleaner (CCleaner or whatever one you want) and delete all the orphaned registries. Reboot.

And then... this is most important.... run regedit and search for "arcsoft" and "TotalMedia" and delete every single thing that has those names. Reboot.

Install the Retail version and see if that helps. I am sure it will.

Thanks Killroy. Did exactly what you told me, but unfortunately the same negative result. I really feel screwed-up.

[TruckChase!]

I've tried everything recommended in this thread and the other dedicated to this issue, and still nothing. I've tried 2 different versions on 3 different pcs (32bit XP, 64bit Vista, 32bit Vista) and still no luck. I'm a little disappointed because I dumped a lot of money on a product that I didn't really want (TMT) for anything but it's use with EAC3to.

Is it possible that we could know exactly what eac3to is looking for to help us in our troubleshooting efforts? I know the codecs are working... I can use them in any number of external programs (zoomplayer, etc.) and they show up fine in codec manager apps. If we knew what exactly eac3to was looking for we could compare versions or something and try to figure out the issue....

[laserfan]

Thanks Killroy. Did exactly what you told me, but unfortunately the same negative result. I really feel screwed-up.Are you CERTAIN that eac3to is not working, i.e. not decoding DTS files properly?

I installed the retail TMT and it's always worked, despite that the -test option failed with some versions of eac3to!

[lchiu7]

..

Why would only DD+ be so fundamentally different that it would be the only audio codec that's not at all interchangeable?..

As noted in a Dolby White paper

Unique Aspects of Dolby Digital Plus on Blu-ray Disc vs. HD DVD
There is a fundamental difference in the way programs are carried in the two HD disc formats.

Like DVD-Video, the HD DVD format carries audio and video signals in the MPEG-2 “program stream” format, whereas the Blu-ray Disc format carries them in the MPEG-2 “transport
stream” format, the same manner in which ATSC DTV and DVB signals are broadcast. A result of this otherwise subtle distinction is that there are packetizing differences for the audio
bitstreams between the two disc formats. You may recall that DVD-Video is not able to carry Dolby Digital bitstreams of more than 448 kbps. The same remains generally true for HD DVD,
although due to finer granularity in the choice of data rates, the actual maximum rate increases slightly, to 504 kbps. In order to support the higher bit rates and greater number of channels
offered by Dolby Digital Plus, HD DVD discs will use Dolby Digital Plus bitstreams (which have progressively shorter coding frames as the bit rate increases, thereby always fitting within the
defined audio packets on the disc). For example, standard Dolby Digital has a six-block frame, and in that case the Dolby Digital Plus bit rate can reach 0.5 Mbps; a three-block frame can
reach 1 Mbps; a two-block frame, 1.5 Mbps; and a one-block frame, 3 Mbps.

In contrast, the Blu-ray format has no such packetizing constraint, so one immediate result is the ability to transport Dolby Digital at its maximum 640 kbps rate for the first time. That’s slightly higher than the 576 kbps carried on D-VHS.

I read this as being a difference in the packet sizes which is why the pure DD+ stream extracted from a HD-DVD cannot be played on a BD player.

Not sure how a device like the Popcorn Hour would handle it though

[TruckChase!]

Are you CERTAIN that eac3to is not working, i.e. not decoding DTS files properly?

I installed the retail TMT and it's always worked, despite that the -test option failed with some versions of eac3to!

Sorry, I know this is directed @ rijnton, but I think we're trying to fix the same problem here....

C:\Encoding\Video\eac3to>eac3to.exe M:\encoding\video\work\bluray\FORGETSARAHMAR
SH\BDMV\STREAM 5: M:\encoding\video\work\bluray\FORGETSARAHMARSH\output\test.ac3

M2TS, 3 video tracks, 7 audio tracks, 5 subtitle tracks, 1:57:45, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 20 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (20:11)
4: h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (20:11)
5: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
6: DTS, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbps, 48khz
7: DTS, French, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbps, 48khz
8: AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
9: AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
10: E-AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz
11: E-AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
12: Subtitle (PGS), English
13: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
14: Subtitle (PGS), French
15: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
16: Subtitle (PGS), French
a05 The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Encoding AC3 <640kbps> with libAften...
a05 Creating file "M:\encoding\video\work\bluray\FORGETSARAHMARSH\output\test.ac
3"...


Thank you for the help! Any more would be greatly appreciated...

[rijnton]

Are you CERTAIN that eac3to is not working, i.e. not decoding DTS files properly?

I installed the retail TMT and it's always worked, despite that the -test option failed with some versions of eac3to!

I get the same result as TruckChase reported above: Arcsoft DTS and Sonic don't seem to work.

[jamos]

I can't reproduce any problems here. I even tried doing the same thing as you (eac3to + Pcm2Tsmu + tsMuxeR) and for me the channel order is always correct. I can only guess that there's something wrong in your playback chain...


Ok some final thoughts on this issue. Tsmuxer is not the issue as it muxes fine using dts 7.1 and plays back fine. The issue must exist in eac3to or Pcm3tsmu as I am getting this with multiple dts-ma 7.1 sources. You have to have a 7.1 reciever to test this as it looks correct in the file but on playback the center channel plays through the right front. I can send you a small sample if you want..else I will just convert to 5.1 no problem.

btw..testing now in xp 32bit to make sure its not a wierd vista 64 bug.

Edit: nope same issue with a different machine and xp...

[laserfan]

Sorry you guys--that eac3to log confirms the problem.I also tried the environment path thing, but no success, although I don't know if I did that right. I went to My Computer>Properties>Advanced>Variables and selected Path and clicked Edit and added the value C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin. After that under Name there is PATH and under Value of C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin.I don't follow this last sentence. The Path variable Value is a bunch of entries separated by semicolons. You need(ed) to add a semicolon, and then the path e.g. C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin after the semicolon.

I looked at mine and I also have an entry as follows:

...;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin;C:\Program Files\Arcsoft\TotalMedia Theatre\Codec

Not sure if it's "the magic" but give it a try (and reboot after making the change).

[TruckChase!]

Sorry you guys--that eac3to log confirms the problem.I don't follow this last sentence. The Path variable Value is a bunch of entries separated by semicolons. You need(ed) to add a semicolon, and then the path e.g. C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin after the semicolon.

I looked at mine and I also have an entry as follows:

...;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin;C:\Program Files\Arcsoft\TotalMedia Theatre\Codec

Not sure if it's "the magic" but give it a try (and reboot after making the change).

I can assure you that my path is set correctly, including the codec dir, bin dir, and I also tried including the commonfiles\arcsoft\mpeg engine dir since there are quite a few codecs stored there to no avail. Thanks though!

I can't speak for rijnton, but as for myself I've been doing this stuff for quite awhile and am very comfortable that I've followed all the advice presented here in the forums with no luck. I think there may be something to the newer versions of Arcsoft TMT that eac3to isn't picking up. The directory structure, for example is slightly different on the newest versions. (pointing to a "root" directory of total media extreme and then having a subdir for TMT, even if TMT is all you have installed) This is why I'd really like to know exactly what eac3to is looking for to help troubleshoot this issue. To reiterate, the codecs are registered and do work successfully. I can use them in any directshow application that allows the use of external codecs.... except eac3to. (main example is zoomplayer, but others work as well)

That being said, this is definitely not a registration issue, and based off of all read and attempted it isn't a pathing issue either. I would be very happy to provide madshi with any information required to help troubleshoot this issue on behalf of myself and others experiencing the same problem.

Thanks again!

[rijnton]

@laserfan: Could you tell me, being not so technical, what I exactly should do where, what and in which sequence, after I go to My Computer>Properties>Advanced>Environmental Variables ?
When I am there I see 2 windows User Variables for my username and System Variables (I translate the names from dutch). In the upper window there were 2 lines for Temp and Tmp and now (after maybe doing something wrong) a 3rd line with Path and C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin after that.
What should I do /change now and where/what ?

Btw, I discovered something else, which is very strange imo
I tried uninstalling the retail version and installing the trial version (which is Totalmedia Extreme with a patch that is not working) again. eac3to did not complain and I could start Totalmedia Theatre being trial. Then I installed the retail version on top of it, without uninstall. Bingo ! Totalmedia Theatre registered and eac3to still not complaining. BUT...
after that I had TM Extreme, still being trial AND TMT not trial anymore. Then I uninstalled Extreme in Windows software removal and TMT still working, not trial, but eac3to complaining again. So this procedure will not help imo, because when the trial of Extreme expires I will have the same troubles again.

Btw, I have Windows XP and not Vista.

[TruckChase!]

@laserfan: Could you tell me, being not so technical, what I exactly should do where, what and in which sequence, after I go to My Computer>Properties>Advanced>Environmental Variables ?
When I am there I see 2 windows User Variables for my username and System Variables (I translate the names from dutch). In the upper window there were 2 lines for Temp and Tmp and now (after maybe doing something wrong) a 3rd line with Path and C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin after that.
What should I do /change now and where/what ?



As long as you don't have a user defined path variable, (which you don't by default) you only need to change system. If you've added it there, remove it, as there is no need for a user specific variable when the system variable will do. This will help us avoid confusion.

Look in the system variables and find the PATH variable. Double click it to open it up... notice that each variable is separated by a ";". (without quotes) You can add to the beginning or end of the line. To avoid confusion, I'm talking about adding at the beginning. Keep the entire contents already there, and paste your full directory structure (c:\program files\common files\blah\blah..) in the beginning. Follow this with a ;. After that entry, add your other entrie(s) for TMT codec locations, following each entry with a ;.

In the end, you should have a path variable that contains all the directories with the arcsoft codecs in question, separated by a ;. There is no need for a ; at the beginning (before the first path) or at the end (after the last path) but having them there won't hurt you either way, as they are merely a delimiter and not actual "data".

[laserfan]

@rijnton I don't know if putting a Path variable up under User Variables works!? What has been suggested is editing the Path variable in the box BELOW, under "System Variables". If you try that (adding a semicolon then C:\Program Files\Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin) take care not to mess-up any of the existing Path values already there!

If that doesn't work then suspect you have hit the same wall as TruckChase!, and hopefully he will find the secret to getting your installs to work. Sounds like he has done everything including the regsvr32 bit with, what is it, ASAudioHD.ax. Not sure madshi wants to help w/Arcsoft but I wish you good luck.

EDIT: I see TC! was advising exact Path instructions whilst I typed here... :)

[rijnton]

Thanks for the replies.
Meanwhile I looked under the System Variables, the bottom window, but I don't see a name PATH there. The only entry with PATH in its name is Pathext. Or do I still misunderstand it.
If not, is something wrong with my system then and what can I do ?

[rijnton]

Although I still don't know what is going on, I FINALLY got it working. (Knock on wood). I could find a trial version of TMT alone (not Extreme and don't ask me where) and installed it after uninstalling the retail. Then I installed the retail again on top of the trial and now everything seems o.k. TMT seems to be o.k. and not trial and version .129 and no problems with eac3to.
It seems that the retail version of TMT messes things up for me. But after installing it on top of a trial version it works !

[jamos]

BTW to all.. TMT will not play in vista 64 (its not supported if you look on thier website) but the dlls should still work to encode dts using eac3to..they do on my vista 64 machine. On my xp32 machine TMT plays fine.

[TruckChase!]

BTW to all.. TMT will not play in vista 64 (its not supported if you look on thier website) but the dlls should still work to encode dts using eac3to..they do on my vista 64 machine. On my xp32 machine TMT plays fine.

Wow; that's weird. It's the exact opposite scenario on my machine. (note that I do believe what you're saying, it's just frustrating) My Vista64 machine will play back fine with TMT, it just won't work with eac3to. That being said I can't get my xp 32 or vista 32 machines to work either. I'm becoming more convinced that this has something to do with the new non-trial releases installing in a different directory structure based off of the total media extreme product. I think the naming of the codecs might be slightly different as well.....

[zeropc]

i never used the demux feature in eac3to, so i wonder if this would be the right cmd (example)...

eac3to "F:\MOVIE\BDMV\STREAM\00001.M2TS" "G:\FILES\" -demux

#edit#

i just tried what i was thinking and it didn't work...

log

eac3to v3.12
command line: "C:\Program Files\encoding-tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "I:\broken.arrow.trl.m2ts" "F:\video" -demux
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 3 subtitle tracks, 0:02:28, 24p /1.001
1: MPEG2, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
2: AC3, 5.1 channels, 448kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
3: Subtitle (PGS)
4: Subtitle (PGS)
5: Subtitle (PGS)
Track 2 is used for destination file "video".
This audio conversion is not supported. <ERROR>

any idea what went wrong?

[yonta]

i never used the demux feature in eac3to, so i wonder if this would be the right cmd (example)...

eac3to "F:\MOVIE\BDMV\STREAM\00001.M2TS" "G:\FILES\" -demux

#edit#

i just tried what i was thinking and it didn't work...

log

any idea what went wrong?

eac3to demuxes to the current folder.
If you want your source file demuxed to a specific folder,
go to the folder and run command there.

F:\video>"C:\Program Files\encoding-tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "I:\broken.arrow.trl.m2ts" -demux

[TruckChase!]

Although I still don't know what is going on, I FINALLY got it working. (Knock on wood). I could find a trial version of TMT alone (not Extreme and don't ask me where) and installed it after uninstalling the retail. Then I installed the retail again on top of the trial and now everything seems o.k. TMT seems to be o.k. and not trial and version .129 and no problems with eac3to.
It seems that the retail version of TMT messes things up for me. But after installing it on top of a trial version it works !

Thanks to this info from rijnton I finally got this up and running. It seems that the detection most definitely has something to do with the newer installs from Arcsoft surrounding the Total Media Extreme product family. (which includes TMT) If using an older version that is TMT only it works fine even when the newer codec versions are installed on top of it.

Here's how to get it working:

1. Uninstall all previous versions and do the cleanup steps listed in this thread. (Registry clean, delete orphaned directories, delete instances of "arcsoft" in the registry)

1.Download and install the old version of the TMT trial that was pulled from Arcsoft's site awhile ago:

http://rapidshare.com/files/155298896/arcsoft_totalmediatheatre_engintro.exe.html

2. Do not run the program at this point - reboot
3. download this patch: http://www.arcsoft.com/downloads/digitaltheatre/arcsoft/totalmediatheatre_2.1.6.105_2.1.6.125_Update_ALL.exe
and install it. Again, do not run program. Note that this step may not be necessary. Rijton reported that he did not install this patch and went right to installing the retail w/o problems.
4. Reboot
5. eac3to should work at this point. If you own TMT or TME retail, go ahead and install now.

[idbirch2]

I own several HD-DVDs and would like to (in some instances) use the HD-DVD .eac3 track directly on a BD back-up, but I've never been able to get it to work. I always have to change the audio to something else (DTS, PCM, or standard AC3).dburckh, the same guy who made the TrueHD fix for TSMuxer also makes ToNMT which converts HD-DVD Dolby Digial Plus streams into BluRay compliant DDP streams. Before the BDs came out, I used it to remux the Bourne trilogy HD-DVDs to BluRay and the DDP worked fine.

Edit: Looking back over the ToNMT forums, I think it was QuickFix.cmd that I used. The .dpp track was first demuxed using eac3to then processed with QuickFix then finally remuxed into a BluRay structure using TSMuxer and played back on the PS3. My Denon 1909 picked up the DDP no problem.

[laserfan]

Here's how to get it working:

1.Download the old version of the TMT trial that was pulled from Arcsoft's site awhile ago:

http://rapidshare.com/files/155298896/arcsoft_totalmediatheatre_engintro.exe.html

2. Do not run the program at this point - reboot
3. download this: http://www.arcsoft.com/downloads/digitaltheatre/arcsoft/totalmediatheatre_2.1.6.105_2.1.6.125_Update_ALL.exe
and install it. Again, do not run program
4. Reboot
5. eac3to should work at this point. If you own TMT or TME retail, go ahead and install now.When do you install the trial from step 1?

[odin24]

Can eac3to slow down a DTS HD-MA track from 24 to 23.976fps without re-encoding to DTS 1536?

I only ask because the last time I played a 24fps BD on my NTSC setup the video had a slow but steady flicker which was quite annoying.

[rijnton]

When do you install the trial from step 1?

Of course I cannot speak for TruckChase, but I uninstalled my retail version first, rebooted, then installed the trial version, rebooted and installed the retail again on top of the trial. I didn't use the update in between. In other words, I installed my retail .129 on top of the .120 trial and I now have a full-working (not trial) 2.1.6.129.

Btw, part of the credits must go to HDCompatible from abhdt.net:
http://www.abhdtv.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12314&page=7

And I now understand the PATH thing, although it was not needed anymore. I now see PATH but with regards to Arcsoft only the path to Common Files\Arcsoft\Bin

[tebasuna51]

Can eac3to slow down a DTS HD-MA track from 24 to 23.976fps without re-encoding to DTS 1536?

It is not possible without re-encoding.

[TruckChase!]

When do you install the trial from step 1?

Lol; Sorry... I shouldn't post after going out drinking w/ friends. Post updated with better instructions. :thanks:

[NanoBot]

Hi,

Yesterday I did my first tests in converting a DTS MA audio track to a multichannel flac, which works fine at all. Nevertheless, when the converting process was finished, I ended up with a flac file, which has a bitdepth of 24bit, while eac3to told me, that the bitdepth of the original track was only 16bit. Since using 24bit in the flac file is a waste of space when the original bitdepth is only 16bit, I repeated the process using the -down16 parameter, and now everthing is fine. Both the original DTS MA audio track an the resulting flac file have the same bitdepth of 16bit.

That brings up the question:

Is it possible to use eac3to in a way, where a lossless track, like Dolby TrueHD or DTS MA, is decoded and analysed for it's bitdepth, while the resulting data is not written to the hdd and discarded instead ? This would make it possible to do a faster first pass to scan the track for it's bitdepth, and then do a second pass to convert the track in a flac file of the original bitdepth.

C.U. NanoBot

[odin24]

It is not possible without re-encoding.

Thanks, I sorta figured that. Instead I converted to LPCM, then changed 24fps fo 23.976fps.

[anode]

Hello to madshi and all of you...

i have a short question to subtitle demuxing:

as far i have seen, in the output of eac3to's demuxed sup-files from blu-ray they contain the necessary PTS info but no DTS (decoder time stamp) information. I had some subtitles which do not play on my Samsung BD-P2500 (longer, more complex ones) (remuxed with tsMuxeR to BR-AVCHD). Why are the DTS fields always zero?
When demuxing the same track with tsMuxeR, DTS info is present.

If i use the tsMuxeR-demuxed source, then the subtitles are displayed correctly.
Perhaps you can give me some info about this DTS information?

Thank you very much for all the work on eac3to.

[sidekick2]

dburckh, the same guy who made the TrueHD fix for TSMuxer also makes ToNMT which converts HD-DVD Dolby Digial Plus streams into BluRay compliant DDP streams. Before the BDs came out, I used it to remux the Bourne trilogy HD-DVDs to BluRay and the DDP worked fine.

Edit: Looking back over the ToNMT forums, I think it was QuickFix.cmd that I used. The .dpp track was first demuxed using eac3to then processed with QuickFix then finally remuxed into a BluRay structure using TSMuxer and played back on the PS3. My Denon 1909 picked up the DDP no problem.

According to the tonmt forums, quickfix.cmd changes "TS Type from 0x81 to 0x84 for eac3 tracks" I just tried this 3 different ways on my Bourne Identity hd-dvd, and it still won't play in the ps3 as a blu-ray disk. I used his tonmt gui, I used ts4np, and then I took the output from tsmuxergui and ran quickfix.cmd on the m2ts file and burned. All three causes the ps3 to stutter and display audio as dolby 112k. (no audio can be heard, but the video plays smooth for ~1 sec then stutters)

quickfix does not convert the hd-dvd dolby-digital plus into something that blu-ray players can understand. At least that I can get to work..

Or... the PS3 doesn't like dolby digital plus.

Arcsoft total media theater plays the files and or folder structures no problem. Shows up as dolby digital 1536k.

When burned... no worky... :(

[peterjcat]

If HD DVD has no AC3 core, then why would the HD DVD to Blu Ray I did come out as AC3 5.1? It also comes out as AC3 5.1 when I play the EVO files from the pc through the same amp. I am using the original DD+ audio from the HD DVD's and muxed with TsMuxer to make a BD.

Well, I gather that HD DVD DD+ is designed to be fairly easily downconverted to AC3 on-the-fly so that a compatible player can produce a good AC3 version for output via optical etc. I suppose you could argue that that's similar to having a legacy core, but I would say that it's not, since it still takes a bit of work and you need a new decoder that know what to do.

What hardware and software players are you using? It might be useful to work out which ones either downconvert HD DVD DD+ to AC3 or pass them through a receiver. The hardware players that do may have a chipset in common etc.

[nwg]

Well, I gather that HD DVD DD+ is designed to be fairly easily downconverted to AC3 on-the-fly so that a compatible player can produce a good AC3 version for output via optical etc. I suppose you could argue that that's similar to having a legacy core, but I would say that it's not, since it still takes a bit of work and you need a new decoder that know what to do.

What hardware and software players are you using? It might be useful to work out which ones either downconvert HD DVD DD+ to AC3 or pass them through a receiver. The hardware players that do may have a chipset in common etc.

I am using a Sony S350 and it has DD+ decoding in the specs for it. I am using the coaxial digital output (don't have HD audio capability). The amp is a Sony STR-DB930.

Software is PowerDVD 7.3 and Nero Showtime with the HD DVD/BD plugin.

I recently did a load of movie only HD DVD to Blu Ray's with DD+ straight from the HD DVD's inc the Bourne Trilogy.

[pbjr]

Anyone using Linux and Wine getting this error?

err:virtual:NtMapViewOfSection Sizes larger than 4Gb (66013e000) not supported on this platform
err:virtual:NtMapViewOfSection Sizes larger than 4Gb (66013e000) not supported on this platform
err:virtual:NtMapViewOfSection Sizes larger than 4Gb (66013e000) not supported on this platform
Error reading file ".\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts".

Thanks,
Mike

** Update **

wine bug that was fixed in 1.1.16
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17373

[HanSolo00]

I have a small but simple feature request :)

Please add support for -24.975fps source framerate (the product of RePAL'd material.) It would be very useful to be able to "-24.975 -ChangeTo24.000" in order to revert audio back to original film speed, to match RePAL+AssumeFPS(24) video.

Thanks for the excellent tool!

[sidekick2]

I am using a Sony S350 and it has DD+ decoding in the specs for it. I am using the coaxial digital output (don't have HD audio capability). The amp is a Sony STR-DB930.

Software is PowerDVD 7.3 and Nero Showtime with the HD DVD/BD plugin.

I recently did a load of movie only HD DVD to Blu Ray's with DD+ straight from the HD DVD's inc the Bourne Trilogy.

I'm using the PS3, thru hdmi to an Onkyo 805. My Dad has a bdp-s350, so I think I'll take one of these bd-re I've burned over there and see if it works on his. If it does, then that means the PS3 doesn't like dd+.

Hmm... another site shows: http://whatsonhdtv.blogspot.com/2008/03/sony-playstation-3-and-blu-ray-audio.html

To date, Sony has not been terribly responsive to these suggestions. Other than confirming that:

* of the four higher-resolution or lossless audio compression codecs, the PS3 can decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, but not Dolby Digital Plus or DTS-HD High Resolution

* the PS3 can pass through the four advanced audio compression codecs as bitstreams, rather than decoding them to linear PCM, but it can pass them through only in their "core" 5.1-channel, low-bitrate forms


This explains why I won't get dolby digital plus on the PS3. It's not supported or decoded. (unless it's a real blu-ray dd+, with a core, and then it will spit out the core only)

Has anyone else got a PS3 and dolby digital plus working? (from an hd-dvd rip?)

[laserfan]

...as far i have seen, in the output of eac3to's demuxed sup-files from blu-ray they contain the necessary PTS info but no DTS (decoder time stamp) information. ...If i use the tsMuxeR-demuxed source, then the subtitles are displayed correctly.Is this only for certain types of subs? When I tried comparing the output of eac3to and tsMuxeR with HxD Hex Editor, its Compare feature says they are bit-for-bit identical...? :confused:

[SomeJoe]

According to the tonmt forums, quickfix.cmd changes "TS Type from 0x81 to 0x84 for eac3 tracks" I just tried this 3 different ways on my Bourne Identity hd-dvd, and it still won't play in the ps3 as a blu-ray disk. I used his tonmt gui, I used ts4np, and then I took the output from tsmuxergui and ran quickfix.cmd on the m2ts file and burned. All three causes the ps3 to stutter and display audio as dolby 112k. (no audio can be heard, but the video plays smooth for ~1 sec then stutters)

quickfix does not convert the hd-dvd dolby-digital plus into something that blu-ray players can understand. At least that I can get to work..

Or... the PS3 doesn't like dolby digital plus.

Arcsoft total media theater plays the files and or folder structures no problem. Shows up as dolby digital 1536k.

When burned... no worky... :(

I tried the QuickFix.cmd from the ToNMT package on an HD-DVD rip. I was able to get the final .m2ts to play Dolby Digital Plus when playing through the PCH A110, although when fast forwarding or rewinding, the audio goes silent until you pause/play several times. This may be a PCH A110 bug rather than a bug in the muxing.

The same .m2ts file would not play through a Sony BDP-S350 when burned to a BD-RE. It was silent (no audio), and video freezes playback after about 15 seconds. So obviously, the muxing isn't 100% compliant. Of course, there was no core AC3 stream in the .m2ts either, which also isn't BD compliant, so there's all sorts of places where the Sony might have a problem.

[sidekick2]

I tried the QuickFix.cmd from the ToNMT package on an HD-DVD rip. I was able to get the final .m2ts to play Dolby Digital Plus when playing through the PCH A110, although when fast forwarding or rewinding, the audio goes silent until you pause/play several times. This may be a PCH A110 bug rather than a bug in the muxing.

The same .m2ts file would not play through a Sony BDP-S350 when burned to a BD-RE. It was silent (no audio), and video freezes playback after about 15 seconds. So obviously, the muxing isn't 100% compliant. Of course, there was no core AC3 stream in the .m2ts either, which also isn't BD compliant, so there's all sorts of places where the Sony might have a problem.

I took my burn of Bourne Identity that would not work and it plays *FINE* in my Dad's bdp-s350! This disk would not play at all in my PS3 (as described in my previous posts). I would have never guessed the PS3 wouldn't be able to decode DD+. The on-screen display on the bdp-s350 showed it as Dolby Digital Plus. I didn't watch the whole disk, just about 5 minutes of the movie. I took the bd-re version that I used ts4np to create blu-ray structure with.

I also attempted to play the disk in the PS3 using bitstream, instead of linear pcm. Still didn't work. On the second attempt, it locked the PS3 up hard, and I had to flip the switch for a reboot.

So, bottom line, some players will play the hd-dvd version of DD+, once properly flagged with quickfix.cmd, even though the DD+ isn't the "true" or "correct" version of DD+ meant for blu-ray.

All we need now, is for Madshi to come up with a DD+ converter! :) Create a core from the hd-dvd DD+, then stick the extra bits on top of the core with some duct tape and spit. Ohh, and write a new firmware for the PS3 so I can play DD+. (minor detail I almost left out)

[NanoBot]

Hi everybody,


my original question


After converting a TrueHD track to flac the first time, I noticed, that eac3to is not showing the bitdepth of a TrueHD track in the track overview, while it does on DTS MA tracks. Nevertheless, eac3to is automatically doing a second pass to reduce the bitdepth of the output file to 16bit, if a 16bit THD was detected during the first pass, which is fine. Therefore it is necessary to rephrase my original question:

Are the bitdepth values of DTS MA tracks, which are shown in the track overview, only nominal values, which are derived from the DTS header ? Or are these values absolutely reliable, so I can be sure that a DTS MA track really has the bitdepth indicated in the track overview ?

If the indicated bitdepth value is only nominal, I would propose that eac3to should operate like with TrueHD tracks by automatically doing a second pass to reduce the bitdepth of the output file, if necessary. On the other hand, if the bitdepth values indicated in the track overview are reliable, I would propose that eac3to should automatically use the "-down16" parameter, if the bitdepth of a DTS MA track is indicated as 16bit.

C.U. NanoBot

[glood1]

Problem remuxing a bluray


eac3to v3.11
command line: "D:\utils\BLURAY\Tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "T:\SOURCE_BLURAY\THE_SIGNAL\THE_SIGNAL\" 1) 2: "T:\temp\RipBot264temp\job1\video.mkv" -seekToIFrames 4: "T:\temp\RipBot264temp\job1\audio.1.dts" -core 1: "T:\temp\RipBot264temp\job1\chapters.txt" -progressnumbers
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 3 audio tracks, 3 subtitle tracks, 1:43:16, 24p
1: Chapters, 12 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
4: DTS Master Audio, French, 5.1 channels, 16 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 16 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
5: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbps, 48khz
6: Subtitle (PGS), French
7: Subtitle (PGS), French
8: Subtitle (PGS), French
[v02] The video framerate is correct, but rather unusual. <WARNING>
Creating file "T:\temp\RipBot264temp\job1\chapters.txt"...
[a04] Extracting audio track number 4...
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[v02] Muxing video to Matroska...
[a04] Extracting DTS core...
[a04] Patching bitdepth to 24 bits...
[a04] Creating file "T:\temp\RipBot264temp\job1\audio.1.dts"...
Added fps value to MKV header.
Video track 2 contains 148699 frames.
eac3to processing took 17 minutes, 45 seconds.
Done.


the framerate is not stable (speedup the video track is bad)
a few moment there is shifting frames (lost frames)
it s working with another movie whith 23.XXX

thanks for you help

[zeropc]

madshi,

say, can you add a "set progressive flag" option into eac3to for slowdown clips/movies?

that would make some pal to ntsc conversions proper.

here is why...

source is 1080i50 (film) and doesnt show any interlacing. slowing it down to 23.976fps works fine but the output file is not 1080/24p, it's 1080i48/1001.
this gives playback problems on the ps3 for example. it's all jerky, like frame-dropping.

[FoxRacR17]

I am having a problem and I cannot figure it out. I'm trying to encode a dts master audio file to wma pro 5.1 but the audio keeps coming out all garbled when I play it on my 360. I have arcsoft total media theater 2.1.6.125 installed, and nero 7 installed. It is coming from a .m2ts files, I have tried demuxing using both xport and tsmuxer, and then I even tried doing the ac3 audio that is in the .m2ts file so that the nero codec would be used but the resulting .wma file was still garbled. I also even tried using the sonic dts decoder but I still get messed up sounds. I'm running on Vista x64 sp1, and i'm using eac3to to change the dts-ma file into a single .wav (the resulting file is ALWAYS 4.50 gigs exactly, shouldnt it be bigger?) then i use tranzcode .40 to split it up into individual .wavs for each channel, then I combine them into a .avi using wavavimux, then i use csscript to convert it to a wma pro file. Please someone help me figure this out. I have been trying all day and its getting on my last nerve.

[tebasuna51]

@madshi
To my request:
There are a problem with 'stdout.wav' and automatic second pass for overflow.
When this occurs the output is duplicated but the corrected second part is out of sync (because the second header) with garbage result.

Seems the problem is solved when add -2pass or -normalize parameters. Now seems the first ouput is inhibited and only the second pass is really output.
...

you answer with:
v3.09
...
* fixed: clipping removal 2nd pass was executed even for "stdout"
But now, when a 2nd pass is needed, I get a WARNING:
The 2nd pass can't be started due to "stdout".

And with the 'normalize' parameter (or '2pass', working ok before 2.09) now I get:
eac3to v3.12
command line: "D:\Programa\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "D:\Test\VideoS\VDPrueba\10.ac3" stdout.wav -down2 -normalize
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AC3, 5.1 channels, 0:01:00, 448kbps, 48khz
The Nero decoder doesn't seem to work, will use libav instead.
Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
Remapping channels...
Downmixing multi channel audio to stereo...
Writing WAV...
Creating file "stdout.pass1.wav"...
The 2nd pass can't be started due to "stdout". <WARNING>
eac3to processing took 2 seconds.
Done.
The "stdout.pass1.wav" is created but nothing is sended by STDOUT to encoder.

[TinTime]

I'm trying to encode a dts master audio file to wma pro 5.1...It is coming from a .m2ts files, I have tried demuxing using both xport and tsmuxer...and i'm using eac3to to change the dts-ma file into a single .wav...then i use tranzcode .40 to split it up into individual .wavs for each channel, then I combine them into a .avi using wavavimux, then i use csscript to convert it to a wma pro file.

Why not just use eac3to for your first three steps?
eac3to input.m2ts(s) trackno: output.wavs

Anyway, at what stage in your process does the audio become garbled? If the wav file produced by eac3to is ok then it's not an eac3to problem. What happens if you play it?

[monotube]

Sorry, but I have not understood how to use Eac3to to get the sequence in a seamless branching BD.

I write : eac3to folder/wall-e and I get various Mpls which show video info and ALL THE LANGUAGES. In effect I would like to know what is the correct sequence for one language to obtain one m2ts with only one language

Many thanks in advance

[anode]

Is this only for certain types of subs? When I tried comparing the output of eac3to and tsMuxeR with HxD Hex Editor, its Compare feature says they are bit-for-bit identical...? :confused:

I tried it with a few subtitles from various Blu-Ray titles and eac3to's demuxed .sup and tsMuxeR demuxed .sup are different.

The difference is that tsMuxeR .sup Versions contain PTS and DTS timing (Bytes 5-8 after the "PG" identifier), while the eac3to .sup contains only PTS (Bytes 1-4 after "PG"), DTS info is always zero.

I had one subtitle track from Day after Tomorrow (info tables, graphical bitmaps) which doesn't display without DTS info.

[Snowknight26]

Sorry, but I have not understood how to use Eac3to to get the sequence in a seamless branching BD.

Example:
eac3to v3.12
command line: eac3to.exe "G:\Blu-rays\Die Another Day"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) 00001.mpls, 2:12:34
[130+131+133+134+136+137+139+140+142+143+145+146+148+149+151+152+154+155+157+158+160+161+163+164+166+167+169+170+172+173+175+176+178].m2ts
- Chapters, 33 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

2) 00099.mpls (angle 2), 2:12:34
[130+132+133+135+136+138+139+141+142+144+145+147+148+150+151+153+154+156+157+159+160+162+163+165+166+168+169+171+172+174+175+177+178].m2ts
- Chapters, 33 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

[mrr19121970]

Sorry, but I have not understood how to use Eac3to to get the sequence in a seamless branching BD.

I write : eac3to folder/wall-e and I get various Mpls which show video info and ALL THE LANGUAGES. In effect I would like to know what is the correct sequence for one language to obtain one m2ts with only one language

Many thanks in advance


you could try Clown_BD GUI, ideal for newcomers.

[tvjunky]

Hi Madshi,
while copying my last few Blu-rays i saw something like this:


sXX Subtitle stream XX contains XX normal and XX forced captions


Would it be much work to automatically create a second file containing only the forced captions while extracting this stream?

Thanks for your great work again!
S.