Media Player Classic supports Matroska v2, *.mp4, *.mov, and MPEG-4 Timed Text [Archive] - Page 9

Egh

31st January 2006, 15:29

Hey, at least I fixed it so that it runs on XP. There was a problem with the autogenerated manifest file. win2k didn't case since it didn't use it. I actually tested it on an XP machine, classic look though, no fancy theme crap.

So a correction. Celtic cares about XP, but not themes. Still if I knew what the problem was, I would fix it.

Well I never had problems with running your builds on XP (I used your iirc August build for couple of months). Apart from classic theme (and even putting xml manifest in the folder with mpc didn't help).

celtic_druid

31st January 2006, 15:44

I tested the default XP theme and it ran fine here.

Think it was the 2005.11.27 build that wouldn't run under XP.

Liisachan

2nd February 2006, 08:48

New build by celtic_druid.
It has a new (?) checkbox called "VMR9 mixer mode" and i've not yet figured out what it does...

mplayerc2006.02.02.2kxp.7z (http://www.fairyland.to/celtic_druid/Media_Player_Classic/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.02.02.2kxp.7z)
mplayerc2006.02.02.2kxp.7z (http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.02.02.2kxp.7z)

celtic_druid

2nd February 2006, 09:44

From the tooltip/rc file.

"Puts VMR9 (renderless) into mixer mode, this means most of the controls on its property page will work and it will use a separate worker thread to renderer frames."

Odd, I get the avi splitter tooltip for Haali's renderer.

Elias

2nd February 2006, 13:33

Gabest sent me his latest build yesterday, and I tried it with mov files containing AAC/AVC. It worked great! How does Celtic's latest build work with mov files containing AAC/AVC? (I don't have time to try it). Excuse me if it has already been answered... I don't have time to follow this thread that much either as I used to :(

Elias

2nd February 2006, 13:39

he should simply remove the mov support. after all his splitter is a mp4 splitter and not a mov one

people should use mp4. mov should be banned to quicktime only :pI perfectly agree!

SeeMoreDigital

2nd February 2006, 14:02

bond

2nd February 2006, 19:29

yeah the splitter is now called "mp4/mov splitter", as thats what it is :)

SeeMoreDigital

2nd February 2006, 19:58

yeah the splitter is now called "mp4/mov splitter", as thats what it is :)Yeah... I notice this too!

Personally I would have liked to have seen separate "MP4" and "MOV" selectivity.... I don't like the thought of seeing "glorious" MP4 lumped together with "crappy old" MOV :devil:

Cheers

Stebs

2nd February 2006, 21:31

Awesome!

With the latest Option "VMR9 mixer mode", (hardware)deinterlacing and the other image enhancing stuff from the Nvidia Mpeg2 Decoder now finally work in the VMR9 (renderless) mode!
Without "VMR9 mixer mode", the Nvidia Decoder says all is ok and that it is working in the DirectX VA modus A, but deinterlacing simply doesnt work. Now with "VMR9 mixer mode" it finally works as expected :)
VMR9 (windowed mode) always worked but, as you know, it lacks subtitles and Shaders.

And all my HD MOV Trailers from Apple Site now work too with internal splitter!

Thankyou Gabest!

PS. Since newest GPUs (Geforce 6-7; Ati R1xxx) do (or shortly will) support AVC accelleration in Hardware per DirectX VA -and given complexity of HD AVC files, this is much needed- what about acceleration support with MPC + ffdshow?, I guess it's ffdshow that needs to be adapted, right?
Anybody knows this is planned for future?

SeeMoreDigital

2nd February 2006, 22:12

PS. Since newest GPUs (Geforce 6-7; Ati R1xxx) do (or shortly will) support AVC accelleration in Hardware per DirectX VA -and given complexity of HD AVC files, this is much needed- what about acceleration support with MPC + ffdshow?, I guess it's ffdshow that needs to be adapted, right?
Anybody knows this is planned for future?Have you tried the CoreAVC direct-show decoder filter?

chros

3rd February 2006, 00:56

I have found a trailer which Haali's splitter doesn't want to open, but MPC does !!! :) Who would think that ? :)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/night_watch/hd/
night_watch-tlra_h480p.mov

chros

3rd February 2006, 01:08

Stebs

3rd February 2006, 19:19

Have you tried the CoreAVC direct-show decoder filter?No, not yet.
Until now I thought it was (just) some new (still alpha/beta) AVC decoder that was reported to be even faster than ffdshow. Does it really support hardware decoding? - I think i have to do some googling ;)

Stebs

3rd February 2006, 19:35

Are you talking about playing DVD-s / VOB files ?
nVidia Purevideo decoder is needed for this ?

ThanksAll mpeg2 Files, normal Vobs (DVD) but DVD-s Streams too, also .tp files (Transport Streams).
The Nvidia Purevideo decoder is definately not needed for watching those files, intergrated mpeg2 of MPC works well, BUT, if you want those extra Viedo Features of Geforce6+ Class GPUs (hardware acceleration, deinterlacing etc: http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html ), you need some Mpeg2 decoder that supports those features (through DirectX VA).
That can be the Nvidia Purevideo decoder but afaik also new versions of PowerDVD and WinDVD support it. Ati does also support similar features through Directx VA (and those even work then with the Nvidia Purevideo decoder).

I have some HD Mpeg2 files that use 100% CPU (XP3200+) with MPC mpeg2 decoder. With Nvidia Purevideo decoder, I have 40% CPU and better image quality.

This is nice-to-have for mpeg2, but for AVC, acceleration is going to be really important.

clsid

4th February 2006, 00:07

Anyone else having troubles with embedded subtitles in MP4? Timedtext subs work for me, but VSFilter doesn't get loaded for vobsubs. The same files work ok with Haali's splitter.

videomixer9

4th February 2006, 14:31

purevideo should be boycotted just because it's a total ripoff to advertise cards with features and then you can only use this wondertool if you pay another 10-20 bucks on it and only with one decoder or others that license the tech for cash, not talking about it only working on one single OS.

ATI and NVIDIA are both big assholes, no open usable technology, only totally closed properietary stuff. It's sad ppl won't boycott both, but prolly it's more important to get the new games and stuff running no matter if the tech is total properietary. If there'd only be one good chip designer that'd do all this openly and have better performance than both of those evil companies, they could close their lousy companies.

bond

4th February 2006, 14:51

there is no open standard for hardware acceleration of h.264 comparable to dxva for mpeg-2 (maybe because m$ didnt want to support h.264?)
therefore the card manufacturers are forced to develop something on their own (which doesnt mean that it wouldnt have been possible that they join forces and develop something together instead of two different systems)

Rash

4th February 2006, 17:00

Hahaha, join forces? On your dreams Bond! :(

Stebs

4th February 2006, 17:41

purevideo should be boycotted just because it's a total ripoff to advertise cards with features and then you can only use this wondertool if you pay another 10-20 bucks on itSorry, but I think this is nonsense...
Why are Nvidia/Ati suddenly FORCED to bundle DVD Software-Players, only because their Cards now do some BETTER video-acceleration than they did already before?
You always had to pay for such Software (if it not already bundled with the Hardware -and that is the Cardmakers choice, not the Chipmaker's.

ATI and NVIDIA are both big assholes, no open usable technology, only totally closed properietary stuff.I dont know how "closed" this DirectX VA Stuff really is. Since normal DirectX Stuff can be accessed by every Game, I thought that this DirectX VA acceleration is also documented and accessible...
there is no open standard for hardware acceleration of h.264 comparable to dxva for mpeg-2 (maybe because m$ didnt want to support h.264?)
therefore the card manufacturers are forced to develop something on their own (which doesnt mean that it wouldnt have been possible that they join forces and develop something together instead of two different systems)Hmm, interesting... so you say dxva accel. for mpeg-2 IS kinda standardized -or at least, it is POSSIBLE for a Programmer to come up with a Decoder/Player that supports this accel., even if he is not from some big Company?
Last News I heard about hardware acceleration of h.264, it was mentioned together with DXVA...so maybe it's a similar thing like with Mpeg2 accel.?

- I think it's sad that every da** Site has to report about exact Numbers of Pipe Lines, ROPs etc. and NO word or Article about how these new DXVA techniques work (and if they are "open" -I mean the Microsoft meaning of open: Normal People are able to write Software that uses it)

About 3D Hardware and truly open Interfaces etc.: yeah, would be very nice, but seriously.....I wouldnt count on it :o

chros

5th February 2006, 13:09

I have some HD Mpeg2 files that use 100% CPU (XP3200+) with MPC mpeg2 decoder. With Nvidia Purevideo decoder, I have 40% CPU and better image quality.
Thanks. After I have installed the purevideo software, what should I do in MPC, or it uses those filters automatically ? (there's a bunch of filters within purevideo)

bond

5th February 2006, 15:26

I dont know how "closed" this DirectX VA Stuff really is. Since normal DirectX Stuff can be accessed by every Game, I thought that this DirectX VA acceleration is also documented and accessible...
Hmm, interesting... so you say dxva accel. for mpeg-2 IS kinda standardized -or at least, it is POSSIBLE for a Programmer to come up with a Decoder/Player that supports this accel., even if he is not from some big Company?i also not the hardware pro, but as i understand it m$ defined some publically available specs for how to use dxva with mpeg-2 and vc-1 (but not for h.264)
if the specs for how to use it are publically available in a sense that you can implement a decoder supporting dxva without having to pay anything for the specs, not to m$, nor to anyone else i dont know...

Last News I heard about hardware acceleration of h.264, it was mentioned together with DXVA...so maybe it's a similar thing like with Mpeg2 accel.?i assume that purevideo and the ati stuff is similar to dxva, but its definitely not "open standard"

- I think it's sad that every da** Site has to report about exact Numbers of Pipe Lines, ROPs etc. and NO word or Article about how these new DXVA techniques work (and if they are "open" -I mean the Microsoft meaning of open: Normal People are able to write Software that uses it)i assume noone can write anything about it because noone really knows how it works (except nvidia and ati) as the support for h.264 is simply not open standard

Stebs

5th February 2006, 18:18

Thanks. After I have installed the purevideo software, what should I do in MPC, or it uses those filters automatically ? (there's a bunch of filters within purevideo)What I like about the Nvidia Purevideo-thing is that it is simply a directshow decoder and not yet another Media Player. So all you have to do is disable the internal DTS/AC3, DVD Video Title Set, Mpeg PS/TS/PVA Source Filters and AC3, DTS and MPEG-2 Video Transform Filters.
Then, the Purevideo decoder takes care of mpeg-2 stuff.

i also not the hardware pro, but as i understand it m$ defined some publically available specs for how to use dxva with mpeg-2 and vc-1 (but not for h.264)Hmm, then I hope they will also publish those specs for h.264 acceleration...

Btw: CoreAVC does really show some awesome Performance! (even though its not harware accel.)
Until now, I thought the difference between Quicktime and ffdshow is already gigantic, but comparing Quicktime AVC Performance with CoreAVC is nothing else than embarrassing for the Apple guys...

cc979

5th February 2006, 20:30

anybody know what 'greyed out' haali's video renderer is on the output page?

kurt

5th February 2006, 20:44

anybody know what 'greyed out' haali's video renderer is on the output page?
look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=776380#post776380) and the following posts...

cc979

5th February 2006, 20:45

look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=776380#post776380) and the following posts...

cheers

Egh

6th February 2006, 01:56

anybody know what 'greyed out' haali's video renderer is on the output page?

Btw it seems haali renderer is developing very fast. I think Haali might release it to the public quite soon.

The short description of features was here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=775136#post775136

Avish

6th February 2006, 07:14

What I like about the Nvidia Purevideo-thing is that it is simply a directshow decoder and not yet another Media Player. So all you have to do is disable the internal DTS/AC3, DVD Video Title Set, Mpeg PS/TS/PVA Source Filters and AC3, DTS and MPEG-2 Video Transform Filters.
Then, the Purevideo decoder takes care of mpeg-2 stuff.
Hi Stebs, What is the minimum requirement for this? I mean which nVidia card? I've GeForce4 MX 4000...will it work?

chros

6th February 2006, 13:52

So all you have to do is disable the internal DTS/AC3, DVD Video Title Set, Mpeg PS/TS/PVA Source Filters and AC3, DTS and MPEG-2 Video Transform Filters.
Then, the Purevideo decoder takes care of mpeg-2 stuff.

Thanks... What a stupid I am ... :)

What is the minimum requirement for this? I mean which nVidia card? I've GeForce4 MX 4000...will it work?

You must have a programmable GPU: I think the GeForce 6000 series and above (6600GT is fine).
See this link (http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html)

On the other hand in the faq (http://www.nvidia.com/object/decoder_faq.html)
see the first 2 question in the "GRAPHICS CARDS" section, and this link (http://www.nvidia.com/object/dvd_decoder_sysreqs.html)
... So I don't know ... :)

I have bought a 6600GT a half year ago, because nVidia promised the h264 acceleration on these GPU-s, but it never come till now (and perhaps never will) :(

Elias

6th February 2006, 13:54

@Gabest and @Elias: attempt to save image from mpc whilst using Haali renderer generates error message ("getDIB failed"). Don't know though if it's bug or feature :)I'll check it up with Gabest :)

Edit: Gabest says that "it's a feature, probably an old build."

celtic_druid

6th February 2006, 14:13

Works fine here. Both MPC and Haali's render have been updated since then though.

Elias

6th February 2006, 17:30

New update notification in the first post of this thread. Check it out and give me feedback!

clsid

6th February 2006, 19:18

For along time the following combination of filters and settings caused the output to be b0rked:
- XviD decoder, YUY2 output
- VSFilter, versions 2.34 to 2.37
- MPC, VMR-9 renderless
Enabling the VMR Mixer mode in the test version fixes this problem :)

I did find a small bug regarding this new option. In mplayerc.ini there is no name assigned to it, so it only displays "=0" or "=1".

clsid

6th February 2006, 19:28

I tried two R2 DVD's while my drive is set at R1. One played ok, the other one froze MPC.

Elias

6th February 2006, 19:30

I tried two R2 DVD's while my drive is set at R1. One played ok, the other one froze MPC.Yeah, I've been getting the same freezing issue. However, I've updated the first post again.

chros

6th February 2006, 19:36

New update notification in the first post of this thread. Check it out and give me feedback!
Where can I find the new build ? (yesterday build)

SeeMoreDigital

6th February 2006, 19:47

Has anybody noticed that when you play AAC files with the .AAC file extension, Media Player Classic does not correctly report the files properties: -

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3667/mpc6je.png

Cheers

Matrics

6th February 2006, 19:56

Where can I find the new build ? (yesterday build)
Here is Media Player Classic 6.4.8.7 [2006.02.02] (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Media_Player_Classic.htm), not sure if it heps...

clsid

6th February 2006, 20:41

Yeah, I've been getting the same freezing issue. However, I've updated the first post again.
Perhaps Gabest can add a dialog that tells the user that the regions don't match (if he hasn't already). And of course fix the freezing issue.

chros

6th February 2006, 20:55

Here is Media Player Classic 6.4.8.7 [2006.02.02] (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Media_Player_Classic.htm), not sure if it heps...
Thanks, but I have this build, Celtic_Druid has posted this compile.

@Elias: Is any newer build ? (a "yesterday build" ? :) )

Elias

6th February 2006, 23:37

Perhaps Gabest can add a dialog that tells the user that the regions don't match (if he hasn't already). And of course fix the freezing issue.Yes, that would be nice.@Elias: Is any newer build ? (a "yesterday build" ? :) )Yes, but I don't see the point with putting it up for download, because there isn't anything new of importance. Also, it's fun teasing you by not giving you any new builds :D

celtic_druid

7th February 2006, 05:07

I put up a new build last night/this morning. Don't think it has been mirrored yet though.

Liisachan

7th February 2006, 05:15

This is by celtic_druid.
mplayerc2006.02.07.2kxp.7z (http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.02.07.2kxp.7z)
mplayerc2006.02.07.2kxp.7z (http://www.fairyland.to/celtic_druid/Media_Player_Classic/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.02.07.2kxp.7z) (same thing)

wata

7th February 2006, 06:03

Originally Posted by pax77kor
Whenever I use MPC 6.4.8.3 and above I get little problem with objectdock. Entering full screen mode then back to normal window makes objecdock to loose "Always-on-top" mode.

Steps to reproduce
1) play a movie with mpc
2) enter full screen mode
3) return to normal windowed mode
4) click on any other opened window
5) objectdock goes below the window you've just clicked

I tested with every version of mpc, and it only happens with version 6.4.8.3 and above.

============
just like to report, i test every version after v6.4.8.3 including non-official still the same.

Stebs

7th February 2006, 22:35

Found some Ogg Media files that do not play with internal OGG splitter. But strangely, if you install Haali media splitter but let all internal MPC splitter checked (even the OGG one), the files play fine...
http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/

Sorry if this is old news (was too lazy to do a big search through Forum)

chros

9th February 2006, 11:15

Also, in case you missed it: MPC's mov parser has been improved to handle AAC, and yesterday it also got some trimming for other less frequently used codecs in the mov container.
What does the latter mean ?

Elias

9th February 2006, 12:13

What does the latter mean ?That is, MPC's mov parser has been improved to handle other codecs in the QuickTime container other than AAC audio... for instance, MPC can now parse the SVQ3 codec (or whatever it's called?), which it couldn't do before.

Liisachan

9th February 2006, 14:18

Hot from the oven, again by celtic_druid!
2 mirrors
mplayerc2006.02.09.2kxp.7z (http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.02.09.2kxp.7z)
mplayerc2006.02.09.2kxp.7z (http://www.fairyland.to/celtic_druid/Media_Player_Classic/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.02.09.2kxp.7z)

Also, it's fun teasing you by not giving you any new builds :D Don't be mean :D or I won't help you with xhtml anymore ;)
ps. Elias, please do that swedish thing for me...

EDIT.
This is nothing important but in recent builds, none of the 2 radiobuttons in Options|Player|Open Options are checked by default for me. Does anyone see the same problem?