Media Player Classic supports Matroska v2, *.mp4, *.mov, and MPEG-4 Timed Text

[bond]

i think gabest removed the theora support again, for whatever reason (tough i thought i told him to enable it again?)

[celtic_druid]

Gabest doesn't hate Theora, just native theora.

Sorry, theora is not supported natively and will never be, it is a seriously broken format. You have to use 3rd party filters.

[Liisachan]

Oh I see.
So native theora (theora in OggFile) is that bad?

I hope V_THEORA.mkv will be supported by MatroskaSplitter.ax...

EDIT:
Ok, I found it.
MPC and Ogg Theora (http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1462559&forum_id=281014)

[Reino]

I think the latest Ogg Splitter that supported Theora to a degree, was the one from 26-02-2006 (this one is still hosted (at least, the internal one in MPC); see Liisachan's signature)

At the moment not only the MKV Splitter doesn't support Theora, but the whole thing. E.g. MKVToolNIX doesn't even recognize a Theora stream (the Vorbis stream in that same file > no problem).

illiminable (http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/) has released some new ogg codecs last month. Perhaps his splitter supports the whole bunch correctly.
I guess I have to make a choise again. For my package it's either the RadLight Ogg Splitter with Theora support but also with some Vorbis Audio timing problems, or the one from Gabest which handles Vorbis Audio pretty good at the moment but doesn't support Theora anymore (perhaps the reason for Gabest to remove Theora support was because it caused Vorbis Audio handling problems...), or the ogg codecs from illiminable (which I'm unfamiliar with at the moment).

[Liisachan]

In my test MPC can play Theora.ogg nicely with Haali's splitter + ffdshow (libtheora seems better than libavcodec here). illiminable's one is getting usable too. RadLight one is unadvisable. Last time I checked, frame-timing is not accurate, but jitter-ish i.e. fluctuating. Its uninstaller does a poor job too. As a side note, RealPlayer + xiphplins can play Theora too (the earliest support on win). Anyway I'd use MPC with Haali's filters for Theora.

Newer mkvmerge can mux V_THEORA too. If you see "ogg audio/video embedded in OGG" for mkvmerge -l that's it. That's why I'm hoping there will be a way to play theora.mkv on Windows.

As for Vorbis, CoreVorbis is probably the safest. ffdshow is ok as long as you don't use tremor. If you use tremor, you'll need celtic_druid's special build (ff_tremor) but just using libavcodec is easier. But ffdshow's def is tremor, right? I'm wondering why milan uses low-accuracy mode here...

For OGM, most probably Gabest's OggSplitter/MPC is better than OggDS 0.9.9.5 (0.9.9.6 is broken), but more testing is needed to make sure it works with AC3 and AAC in OGM.

Btw, I took a quick look at your page, and am having an impression that you are not supporting vobis acm (http://svn.xiph.org/tags/vorbisacm_20020708/) aka Vorbis-in-AVI. It's an almost-obsolete hack but it was already there before OGM was even born.

[Reino]

Newer mkvmerge can mux V_THEORA too. If you see "ogg audio/video embedded in OGG" for mkvmerge -l that's it. That's why I'm hoping there will be a way to play theora.mkv on Windows.Ah, you must be talking about this quick beta release (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=800868#post800868) of MKVToolNIX, aren't you?

With my package I try to offer people a very small package of filters which are capable of handling many filetypes together with FFDShow as you may well know :P. And...well, I have never seen any AVI[Vorbis] file anywhere, so why should I include support? And to be honoust, the same goes for Theora. There's only a handfull OGG[Theora+Vorbis] files on the internet, and probably no one who's using my package is going to use for OGG[Theora+Vorbis] files I think.

There are a few things I'd like to see (fixed) in future releases of Gabest's filters:
-MPA Splitter: Does a great job splitting MP3 and AAC files, but with MP3 files it still shows the VBR file duration bug. For example I encoded a track with a duration of 10:33 to CBR 160Kbps and VBR 5 (Lame). The CBR file duration is shown correctly, but with the VBR file at the beginning it shows a duration of 10:54.
-MP4 Splitter: The issue with mono IMA4 sound (tyson bite).
And I don't know, but can some one tell me if FFDShow is ever going to support the other QuickTime formats like TWOS,ARAW?
-MPEG Splitter: I've seen this one got updates pretty often, but I can't tell what has changed actually.
There's one thing I'm having problems with, and that's with one particular MPG[MPV1+MP2] file I have. Perhaps it's a VBR video file I don't know, but uppon timeseeking in this file the video part hangs and the audio part continues. Timeseeking this file with the standard MPEG1 Splitter shipped with Windows XP is no problem at all!

[Waleska]

Well, I was working with some newer ffdshow version from ffdshow-20060224.torrent so I just switched back to ffdshow-20051103.exe and everything works fine as usual. Sorry for wasting your time. :stupid:

[Liisachan]

@CoRoNe yes, that one. And I thought you were interested in supporting 'rare' formats, as OFR & WV are supported too. (btw, maybe mpp via DS too?)

Anyway now is not the time for theora. SSF! SSF! Gabest means it! SSF is now being supported by VSFilter (http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/guliverkli/trunk/guliverkli/src/filters/transform/vsfilter/DirectVobSubFilter.cpp?sortby=date&r1=549&r2=559&pathrev=559). I can't wait to test it :drool:

@Waleska 20051103 is celtic_druid's one and is reliable, except that CorePNG doesn't play (but almost no one would care)

[Goras]

DVD-Video with external subtitles is working now.

Newbie questions:

Will the next official build have this bugfix?

I mean, all the changes in the celtic_druid builds will be in the next official build from gabest?

[Liisachan]

@ Goras
Most probably. It's not that celtic_druid is creating his own version by modifying Gabest's source code. Celtic_druid is compiling (=making .exe file) faithfully using Gabest's files. So you can assume changes/fixes/new features in Celtic_druid's build are in the next official version too, unless anything unexpected happens.

[Liisachan]

Thank you so much celtic_druid!
mplayerc2006.03.28.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.03.28.2kxp.7z)

[Liisachan]

@ Gabest

I don't think this is a good idea:


All white-space will be compressed into one space character.
(ssf-specs.txt)


Many subbers put 2 spaces, not one, between 2 sentences. Sabbu even has the "Join Lines with 2 Spaces" options (maybe that's default).

In my testing, I had to use
"Shoot!\h\hI'm late, I'm late!"
instead of
"Shoot!  I'm late, I'm late!"

My first .ssf :D
ssf_test.avi (http://www.faireal.org/tmp/ssf_test.avi) 4MB
ssf_test.1.ssf (http://www.faireal.org/tmp/ssf_test.1.ssf) 1KB

[welew]

hdtvpump 1.07 + mpc 6.4.8.9 = the same problem.
but ok for ZP +hdtvpump

Ok I have a bug report:
Using MPC 6.4.8.5 (and older versions) and disabling the inbuilt "MPEG PS/TS/PVA" source filter to try another TS filter such as HDTVPUmp http://www.dvbportal.de/projects/hdtvpump/ or TSFileSource http://nate.dynalias.net/TSFileSource/TSFileSource.html. When trying to play a TS it errors out with the generic "Cannot render the file" error.

[Schrade]

Can anyone get this Quicktime file working with the latest Media Player Classic + ffdshow?

File is here: http://www.wendtnet.com/movies/Cat_Herders_360x243.mov (10 mb)

Here's a blog post about it: http://www.duncans.tv/?p=74

The video is the famous EDS Cat Herders commercial from an old Superbowl Ad. I've been trying to get the very best quality version of it but I can't find the 27 mb one. This is the best quality I could find.

From what I can tell it's SVQ1 video and Twos Complement (Big Endian) audio. When I load it into Media Player Classic it just locks up :(

Is there a way to demux Quicktime streams? I've figured out how to demux the audio but not the video. (Using Quicktime Player's 'Save wave' option)

[Liisachan]

With DirectShow+ffdshow, only Video plays without Sound, and crashes for me, sooner or later.
It crashes easily espefially if RGB output is forcfed. Seems it likes YV/Overlay.
http://ffdshow.faireal.net/tmp/qt.png

With this method it plays perfectly:

http://ffdshow.faireal.net/tmp/qt1.png

http://ffdshow.faireal.net/tmp/qt1.jpg

[Liisachan]

celtic_druid just released this new binary,
mplayerc2006.04.01.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.01.2kxp.7z)
Gabest seems to be very happy working with SSF :)

[videomixer9]

dozen subtitle formats with all kinds of styles ... none supported by any other platform than windows fully ... sad.

[Egh]

dozen subtitle formats with all kinds of styles ... none supported by any other platform than windows fully ... sad.

why ASS support is not implemented on *nix is actually quite a mystery to me. Should be fairly straightforward (especially since even the code is available). Though code is considered rather comlicated somewhat, but that shouldn't stop reall linuxoids, right? :)

Long live to MPC for best-atm subtitle renderer (until Mr. Haali does his own :P)

[bond]

i guess there is the need for a subtitle standard!

oops there is already one: mpeg-4 timed text (and vsfilter already supports it) ;)

[igor1st]

celtic_druid just released this new binary,
mplayerc2006.04.01.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.01.2kxp.7z)
Gabest seems to be very happy working with SSF :)
Old mpeg2dec problem was fixed too.

[Liisachan]

why ASS support is not implemented on *nix is actually quite a mystery to me. Check vlc-0.8.5-test. Unlike 0.8.4, it now supports SSA/ASS color and positioning, so afaik better than mplayer. vlc works on OS X too.

Should be fairly straightforward (especially since even the code is available). I think SSA and VSFilter are quite Window-centric. For instance, 134 in {\fe134} has meaning only for Win32 API. To support it on Linux, they would have to emulate this Windows Code Page. On Windows, this 134 can be directly passed to, for example, lfCharSet in LOGFONT. That's just a random example, but Mosu said he would ignore \fe in MKVToolnix for such a reason (iirc).
Also a drawing command in a {\p} section can be directly translated into a corresponding Win API32 function; even tho this part of ASS is very complicated as we all know, it's basically calling given functions in SDK. On Linux, maybe they would have to begin by emulating such functions, like WINE devs would do. (I'm not sure.)
It's NOT "fairly straightforward" anyway.

But you are right... they could at least support font color...

Long live to MPC for best-atm subtitle renderer (until Mr. Haali does his own :P) Totally agreed. ASS is really messy but really hackable too. It could even control the RGBA of each pixel of each frame.

But hey, no one knows what Haali could do when he means it... I'm feeling something revolutionary is going on now, including the hidden idea behind SSF.

[videomixer9]

Your army of clones is done, Obi Wan!

[Egh]

I think SSA and VSFilter are quite Window-centric. For instance, 134 in {\fe134} has meaning only for Win32 API.

Also a drawing command in a {\p} section can be directly translated into a corresponding Win API32 function;



Well you're true to some extend, but i don't think that many sub files actually use \p and \feXXX commands. At first, such complicated commands can be omited (though i don't think drawing will be actually much more complicated than on win32 gdi anyway)

[Peuj]

http://rapidshare.de/files/14820418/Busters_32.rar.html
Crash test for bild in AVI splitter.
On standart system splitter all OK, but on MPC splitter it run on 1 - 2 fps in some places.

There is still this issue with the internal AVI splitter in the latest version of MPC.

[Liisachan]

celtic_druid made a new binary: mplayerc2006.04.03.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.03.2kxp.7z)

[futurex]

I dont know if gabest reads this thread at all, but one feature i would love to see in MPC is being able to play a file while its being recorded/captured, or rather a file that's "in use". when i try playing with MPC, nothing happens other than the "file not found" error in the status bar.

currently i have to use zoomplayer to play a file being captured with my digital tuner. would love to use MPC instead :)

[Liisachan]

compiled by celtic_druid:
mplayerc2006.04.04.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.04.2kxp.7z)
Seems Gabest is implementing the SSF renderer vehemently.

@futurex
Gabest would read it if you post that in
guliverkli: Feature Requests (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=565652&group_id=82303&func=browse)

[Peuj]

When I play this mov file http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/happy_feet/happy_feet-tlr2a_h480p.mov in MPC with quicktime/directshow the sound level is really low. But if I play with quicktime/quicktime the sound level is normal.
I don't have this difference with other mov files.

Is that normal ?

Thanks

[Liisachan]

mplayerc2006.04.08.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.08.2kxp.7z) compiled by celtic_druid.
Should be Revision 578
What's new: Mostly SSF things, including "blur" "kerning"

[Liisachan]

Celtic_Druid compiled, shuold be Rev 580
mplayerc2006.04.11.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.11.2kxp.7z)

Internal Vorbis decoder! Tremor High-accuracy Mode!!!
Output: yuv mixing mode (but what's this?)
libssf updated: when border=letterbox etc (?)
MatroskaSplitter: Sub-Chapter, Sub-Sub-Chapter etc suported slightly buggy when a parent chap and a sub chap share the same start time.
MpaSplitter: seek-related?

[Kurtnoise]

Some quick tests with vorbis files and....decoder doesn't work properly. :( I've got some coarseness.

[Liisachan]

in my quick test, clearly better than ffdshow's tremor (default),
but I need more testing.

[Liisachan]

celtic_druid's binary
mplayerc2006.04.13.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.13.2kxp.7z)
Probably rev583...
SSF: placement "org" attribute, origin of rotation, like ASS's \org
SSF: placement "path" attribute, "a series of x y coord pairs," probably like ASS's \p
SSF: bidi support is now a "todo" ^^;
DSMPropertyBag updated: something related to DSM Chapter?

[Liisachan]

nested sub-chapters will make it crash now.
can anyone confirm?
nested_subchap.mkv (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/tmp/nested_subchap.mkv) 68KB

[celtic_druid]

Can confirm. My fault though. I have a built without link to code generation and it doesn't crash. But then it didn't crash my last build, so I'm not sure exactly what it is.

[Reino]

Hi,

I've read Theora support won't come back, well oke I can live with that, but I'd like to know when the following things will be fixed.

-MPA Splitter:
incorrect time durating with VBR MP3 files. (a CBR encoded MP3 file shows me 10:33 while a VBR MP3 file shows me 10:54)
-MPEG Splitter:
time seekings hangs with certain MPEG-1 files.
-MP4/MOV Splitter:
1. bad rendering of mono IMA4 sound.
2. support for TWOS audio?
(I really hope FFDShow will also come up with ARAW audio support soon)

btw. Does anyone notice that the video part of MPG[AVC1+AAC] files isn't shown? While in the filter properties you can see FFDShow is loaded...

[Peuj]

Hi,

I've read Theora support won't come back, well oke I can live with that, but I'd like to know when the following things will be fixed.

-MPA Splitter:
incorrect time durating with VBR MP3 files. (a CBR encoded MP3 file shows me 10:33 while a VBR MP3 file shows me 10:54)
-MPEG Splitter:
time seekings hangs with certain MPEG-1 files.
-MP4/MOV Splitter:
1. bad rendering of mono IMA4 sound.
2. support for TWOS audio?
(I really hope FFDShow will also come up with ARAW audio support soon)

btw. Does anyone notice that the video part of MPG[AVC1+AAC] files isn't shown? While in the filter properties you can see FFDShow is loaded...

Well, I think you should create bugs for Gabest here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=82303&atid=565649

[Liisachan]

@celtic_druid
Gabest said " could be that some file was not recompiled and linked with the old one, but celtic need to debug it himself to be sure"

But I think that crash is an exceptional case.
More important, SSF-path introduced in rev581 is awesome...
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=813016#post813016
"it could be even animated like the rest of the properties, if the number of points is the same in the destination style", it's Super-advanced SSA so to speak,
maybe SSF would stand for Super Super Fabulous

[asasadad_1]

mp4 splitter(1.0.0.2) didn't demux mp3pro in mp4 (only video output,no audio), haali media splitter(mp4)(1.6.87.20) is the same as gabest's. NeroDigital / mp4 / avi / mov parser(2, 0, 5, 1) and MainConcept MP4 Demultiplexer(1, 4, 136, 60307) works well with mp3pro in mp4, here (http://rapidshare.de/files/17908375/mp3pro_noaudio__haali_gabest_.mp4.html) is a sample.

[celtic_druid]

Fixed now anyway (rebuilt everything to be safe), although there was another minor update so I am relinking now which takes quite some time with link time code generation.

[Liisachan]

mirrored mplayerc.rev585.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc.rev585.2kxp.7z)

no more crash. plus a sub-chapter is now in the correct position (is correctly ordered) in the chapter list.

[Negi]

Has anyone figured out why Haali's renderer lags so much?
If so, is anyone trying to fix it?

[Egh]

Has anyone figured out why Haali's renderer lags so much?
If so, is anyone trying to fix it?

there's separate thread for haali renderer. it's not part of MPC, thus report issues there :P There were lots of reports on that slowdown, so check them first.

[dimzon]

this binary show russian chapters in MP4 fine
celtic_druid's binary
mplayerc2006.04.13.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc2006.04.13.2kxp.7z)
Probably rev583...
SSF: placement "org" attribute, origin of rotation, like ASS's \org
SSF: placement "path" attribute, "a series of x y coord pairs," probably like ASS's \p
SSF: bidi support is now a "todo" ^^;
DSMPropertyBag updated: something related to DSM Chapter?
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3011/mpchaali6bb.png


this binary contains this bug again!
mirrored mplayerc.rev585.2kxp.7z (http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/Media%20Player%20Classic/mplayerc.rev585.2kxp.7z)

no more crash. plus a sub-chapter is now in the correct position (is correctly ordered) in the chapter list.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5753/mpcinternal0db.png

[celtic_druid]

I just tried to mux some chapters using random Russian text via mp4box and it wouldn't mux them if they were unicode.

ANSI chapters just crash the mplayerc2006.04.13.2kxp.7z build here. Plus is there anyway to specify the character set used? Because without that I just get results like yours. or maybe a way to mux unicode chapters?

[dimzon]

@celtic_druid
1) I'm using UTF8 encoding (open and save as using Notepad)
2) There are 3 known codepage for russian characters: koi-8(unix), cp866(dos) and win1251(windows) - use win1251 as source ;)

[celtic_druid]

Like:


CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=ÌÓËÜÒÈÏËÈÊÀÖÈÎÍÍÛÅ ÂÎÉÍÛ
CHAPTER02=00:05:00.000
CHAPTER02NAME=Íóæíî âçÿòü ñòîëüêî âîäû, ñêîëüêî ñìîæåì óíåñòè!!
CHAPTER03=00:10:00.000
CHAPTER03NAME=Äàâàé íåñè ðóæüå!!!
CHAPTER04=00:15:00.000
CHAPTER04NAME=À ÷òî çà õðåíü ñëó÷èëàñü íà ýòîò ðàç?!
CHAPTER05=00:20:00.000
CHAPTER05NAME=Ëàäíî, äàâàéòå âñå çàõîäèòå è çàïèðàéòå äâåðè!

[dimzon]

Like:


CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=ÌÓËÜÒÈÏËÈÊÀÖÈÎÍÍÛÅ ÂÎÉÍÛ
CHAPTER02=00:05:00.000
CHAPTER02NAME=Íóæíî âçÿòü ñòîëüêî âîäû, ñêîëüêî ñìîæåì óíåñòè!!
CHAPTER03=00:10:00.000
CHAPTER03NAME=Äàâàé íåñè ðóæüå!!!
CHAPTER04=00:15:00.000
CHAPTER04NAME=À ÷òî çà õðåíü ñëó÷èëàñü íà ýòîò ðàç?!
CHAPTER05=00:20:00.000
CHAPTER05NAME=Ëàäíî, äàâàéòå âñå çàõîäèòå è çàïèðàéòå äâåðè!

Yes, this is Win1251 encoding
And I have used different chapters format - your one is Ogg-like and I have used native MP4 format

[celtic_druid]

So how is MPC supposed to know that is Russian and not say Arabic?

[dimzon]

So how is MPC supposed to know that is Russian and not say Arabic?
For UTF8 it must be not any problem
For ANSI there are such magic settings:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7343/untitled6xe1.png