CCE One-Click Software Beta

[jdobbs]

Okay all -- if you were wondering why it has been taking me so long to get any updates out on IFOUpdate, the reason is posted here. Attached is my newest offering. It's call DVD ReBuilder, or DVD-RB for short. I've done some preliminary testing and think its ready for some beta testing.

PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS BETA SOFTWARE. IT IS EXPECTED TO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. DON'T JUDGE IT TOO HARSHLY UNTIL IT HAS A CHANCE TO GET THE KINKS WORKED OUT.

You can read the "Rebuilder.Txt" file and get more information, and I will eventually work on a guide, but in summary here's what it is:

1. Yes. It is a one-click solution for use with CCE.
2. No. It doesn't need an authoring package. It reauthors within the package.
3. Yes. It works with ReJig if you want to work really fast.
4. No. It isn't complete -- but it's getting close.
5. Yes. You can really see the CCE quality difference!

Known problems: I've built the code specifically to handle every type of original. But I've disabled the "interleaving" portion so it currently won't work with multi-angles (or other interleaving like the MATRIX) while I work on it. It will come shortly.

The program is free, and I'm hoping to keep it that way. But I've invested hundreds of hours in this and donations are gratiously accepted.

Try it out and give some feedback. Post your suggestions/problems here on Doom9. Be very specific as to the kind of problem and any insight you may have as to the cause.

Hope you find it useful.

One last reminder: THIS IS BETA SOFTWARE. IT ISN'T FULLY COMPLETE SO PLEASE DON'T SLAM ME UNTIL I HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE MANY EXPECTED PROBLEMS THAT HAPPEN WHEN IT FIRST GETS PUBLIC RELEASE.

Thanks,
JDobbs

NOTE:

1096 downloads of version 0.14
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3915 downloads of version 0.35
yada, yada, yada... it's consistently in the thousands for each version now... (last one was 5725)

The latest version can be found here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75452)
You can find brief installation and usage instructions on this post/page. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&postid=465822)

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[The_Flash]

Good work jd, can't wait to begin testing.

[mrbass]

definitely going to check this out. I loaded it up and it looks nice and clean. I never managed to use the Big3 (way over my head..ok actually I was too lazy to learn) so this looks more like in my league. Will try soon thanks jdobbs!

[KungFuCow]

Woah....

/rushes off to test

[KungFuCow]

No joy :(

Runs for a bit, starts CCE (Using EclCCE), CCE does its thing for a little while then all of a sudden the program tries to open like 10 instanced of EclCCE and EclCCE doesnt like that and the program halts.

[KungFuCow]

Oh well.. sent you a donation anyway... I see great things for this app down the road.

[Paced]

Can't wait to try this myself, I'll report back as soon as possible on the results. Keep up the great work :D

[2COOL]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
Runs for a bit, starts CCE (Using EclCCE), CCE does its thing for a little while then all of a sudden the program tries to open like 10 instanced of EclCCE and EclCCE doesnt like that and the program halts. I got the same thing but with my DVD I got 82 exact error messages. :(

[KungFuCow]

I went ahead and ponyed up for CCE Basic to try this thing out. Attempted to do Bring It On Again and with CCE Basic it ran all the way through, authored the DVD and said it was finished. Problem was the dir was only 1.02GB and the movie seemed to be missing. The movie vob set was only 1 file.

Trying Lost In Translation now.. guess Ill see how that one does overnight.

[Nic]

good luck jdobbs, I can imagine what a big job the authoring code would have been...if you need anything added/changed to ReJig, let me know.

-Nic

[jdobbs]

@KungFuCow and 2Cool

Whoops. :eek: I know exactly what is causing your problem. I made some last minute changes just before posting... I will fix that tonight. In the interim, you can turn "One-Click" off and:

1. Do the first step of the 3 step method (first button,see the Readme).

2. Open CCE directly and then open the project "Rebuilder.ECL" in a subdirectory called "D2VAVS" under your working path. It is already set up to output correctly, at the right bitrates, etc. You will see a list of files that will be processed.

3. After the files are all completed with CCE, go back to Rebuilder and run the last step ("Rebuild"). At the end you will have a pair of directories (AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS in your working path) that will be ready for burning.

@Nic - thanks. By the way, I've done quite a bit of testing with ReJig, and it works great and is incredibly fast. You're right -- the authoring portion was the most work. Lots and lots of "gotchas" involved.

Note to everyone: Watch out for using one-click with any version other than CCE Basic until I fix this tonight.

[Paced]

Back again.. The DVD I chose to use for DVD Rebuilder was Smallville - first two episodes (PAL). Firstly, just to test out the re-authoring (which I consider to be the best part of this program - it must have taken you forever to implement) I used ReJig to transcode the video (One Click mode was enabled), and the whole thing went without a problem - the DVD works just like the original does (minus some audio/subtitle streams that I removed).

After this first successful attempt, I decided to give CCE 2.67 - Basic (with the help of ECLCCE) a try - this was a very different story to my first attempt :( It basically did fine up until the encoding part of the process, which was when DVD Rebuilder told me - "No CCE path has been set. Use menu Options/Setup to configure" - I found this strange, since I had already set the paths correctly. Then, just out of curiosity, I decided I'd do: Options -> CCE Options -> CCE Pro (v2.66+) (even though my version of CCE is 2.67 Basic), and as a result, CCE opened and started encoding the files...up to a point. Then I got the same 'errors' as KungFuCow and 2COOL experienced - DVD Rebuilder was trying to open a tonne of ECLCCE instances at once, then the program stopped. I'm afraid I don't have CCE 2.50/2.66 to test with :(

I'm still loving the program though, I can't wait until the problem(s) above are corrected :D Great work!


//Edit:

Oh, and jdobbs, just a suggestion - is it possible to add an option for 2-pass transcoding for ReJig? I think most people would prefer it over 1-pass.

[lighty]

@jdobbs

While I am extremely happy with this tool I couldn't help not to notice that it is lacking subtitle support.

So, you may (or may not) consider this feats:

1. Subtitle support
2. Way to edit EclCCE files so that one can change default settings of CCE (like quantization matrix) and also so that one can use different bitrate for credits.
3. Enable 3 and 4 pass mode (I see that it's present but not enabled).

Please don't feel pressured but simply write it down on your to do list... if you feel like it... of course. ;)


In any case... GOOD WORK!

[jdobbs]

@lighty

It does support subtitles. What it doesn't support is the removal of subtitles. In doing many DVDs I came to the conclusion that the total amount of space used by subtitles is completely insignificant, so rather than take take them out -- all subtitles remain in the final authored product.

jdobbs

[jdobbs]

@Paced

2-Pass encoding should be easy enough as long as it can be supported from the command line... Nic?

[Nic]

Depends what you mean by two-pass? At present Rejig's two pass isn't a real two pass but just a pass to find the M2V size inside the MPEG-2 PS/TS. Which I don't think you need....

OT:
@jdobbs: Have you thought about supporting ffmpeg to encode the MPEG-2 Video?...The MPEG-2 support is getting better on a daily basis, supports two pass, etc all done through the commandline (or you could use the .libs if you wished (it's LGPL)

-Nic

[Paced]

@Nic: For some reason I always thought 2-passes (in ReJig) gave a more accurate output size - I guess I was wrong :) And, about your FFMPEG comment, the option is there (to enable it) in DVD ReBuilder (just greyed out for now), I think jdobbs intends to add it sometime in the future.


@jdobbs: I've noticed that the "REBUILDER.ECL" has this same line no matter how many passes you choose in DVD Rebuilder: vbr_pass=1
It's like this for me anyway, can others confirm?

Oh, I fixed my CCE problem (Basic wasn't being recognized earlier) by simply re-installing it (I still have no clue why it did it in the first place :))

[Nic]

@paced: Well spotted, my eyes are cr*p, didn't spot that. ReJig can either work off a percentage or work off of a destination output size. If not going from elementry stream it has to do a two pass to do the latter.

[jdobbs]

Attempted to do Bring It On Again and with CCE Basic it ran all the way through, authored the DVD and said it was finished. Problem was the dir was only 1.02GB and the movie seemed to be missing.

@KungFuCow

This is definitely something I haven't seen. DVD-RB gets necessary information when it does its initial scan and sets bitrates, etc. so that the output should allways be 4.3 GB (give or take a little rounding for CCE).

Can you give me some particulars on exactly what happens? Does it seem to complete way too early?


@ALL

If you explore the D2VAVS directory you'll find lots of info available:

REBUILDER.INF -- Tells you all the segments that were found in the preliminary scan. Also tells you the number of frames, the Presentation Start Time (PTS) of the original, System Clock Reference (SCR).

REBUILDER.ECL -- Shows the CCE settings that Rebuilder calculated for each of the segments and how they will be reencoded.

Also each of the segment files are given a name that provides information. They look like this example:

V0100010004002.XXX (.AVS, .MPV, or .M2V)
V01000100004002.AVS -- File is related to VTS 01
V01000100004002.AVS -- This file represents segment 1
V01000100004002.AVS -- It is a part of VOBID 4
V01000100004002.AVS -- The cell is tagged with CELLID 2

All the above are text files and can be viewed. But changing values must be done at your own risk -- DVD-RB assumes much of the information to be consistent.

Another thing to note: Never run Pulldown on any of the output files. DVD-RB notes the areas that need to have pulldown applied during the initial scan and performs the pulldown automatically during the Rebuild process. The setup screen has a dropdown box for setting the the threshold at which pulldown is recognized. The default is pretty good, but I found at least one DVD (Cosmos) where it had to go lower.

[Paced]

@Nic: Thanks for the clarification on the 2-pass option :)

@jdobbs (again): Sorry, but here's another question for you. How much control do you have over the REBUILDER.ECL script itself? Here's my situation: the main movie on my DVD is progressive, whereas the extras (trailers etc.) are interlaced. Does DVD ReBuilder take account of this? Because after the "Prepare" process, I imported the REBUILDER.ECL into CCE, and found that every .avs file to be encoded had the "Offset line" as the value of "1." Now, to my understanding, the "Offset line" option is just a new name for the old "upper field first" option that we saw in earlier versions of CCE. So my question is, shouldn't this value be set to "0" instead of "1" (for progressive material)? I think the value of "1" is for interlaced + bottom field first streams (I could be very wrong here). Just thought I'd bring this up, because you may run into people who may encode an interlaced stream with the wrong field order, and others encoding a progressive stream as 'interlaced'. Am I wrong in these assumptions? The "Offset line" option may not even matter at all :confused:

[jdobbs]

@Paced

I have complete control of that file, it is created by DVD-RB. The same is true of the .D2V and .AVS files. DVD-RB uses its own code rather than the other software packages (like DVD2AVI) because it needs to get additional information during the scan.

DVD-RB analyzes the original and catches the mix of interlaced and progressive. That's one of the reasons for the "segment" concept -- because there are single VTS's that have both present. DVD-RB makes its decision based upon the original content.

As for the Offset Line, I think it is correct as it is; but I'll confirm that. I do know that I've done a considerable number of interlaced sources using the existing settings and they've all worked correctly. The only time I've ever had to set it differently was when I am using a DV source. I'll have to check what affect it has on progressive streams. My guess is that it is ignored.

[jdobbs]

I've noticed that the "REBUILDER.ECL" has this same line no matter how many passes you choose in DVD Rebuilder: vbr_pass=1
@Paced,

This is the correct setting for a two pass encode. vbr_pass=1 means that there is one pass in addition to the .VAF pass. Please note also that CCE Basic only supports 2 passes in VBR mode. You shouldn't be able to select 3 or 4 pass if CCE Basic is selected. If you are using one of the other (SP) versions then I may have a bug if it isn't changing.

[Paced]

@jdobbs

I was just looking at the CCE FAQ page in the CCE forum, here's something interesting to note:

Q11: Where is the "Upper Field First" option in CCE-SP 2.67 and CCE-Basic?

In CCE-SP 2.67 and CCE-Basic, this option has been replaced by "Offset Line" (a text input control in Video Settings you can type a line number into). It works exactly like "Upper Field First" in that it tells CCE by how many lines to shift up the video.

Again here is the rule of thumb: Always set "Offset Line" to 0 unless your video is interlaced AND bottom field first in which case you set it to 1. Progressive material is always top field first.

While possible, it makes no sense to set this option to anything other than 0 and 1. I wonder why they are implementing it that way, now it's possibly even more confusing than before

But I think you may be right about the value of "1" being ignored for progressive streams - how else would your test DVDs turn out fine (surely the majority of them had a progressive stream in there somewhere)? :D You did play these test DVDs on a stand-alone right?


//Edit

Ignore what I just said here.

[jdobbs]

I did many, many progressive stream DVDs in testing. But there is usually some interlaced areas on almost any DVD so you get both. I'll check further on the "Upper Field First" and offset line option. I would have thought, though, that this would have stood out like a sore thumb.

I test my output on 3 different brands of standalone units.

[Paced]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I test my output on 3 different brands of standalone units.

Cool, I think it's safe to assume the "Offset line" option is right the way it is then :)

[jdobbs]

You never know... I'll check to be sure.

[Paced]

Oh, jdobbs, you might want to include the mpeg2dec3.dll plugin, as well as instructing the AVS scripts to load it (or we'll all just be encoding 10 second clips) :D This probably explains why my encoding was 1000 times faster than usual.. My AVISynth version is 2.5.4, and as far as I know, I don't think it's (mpeg2source) been integrated into any version of AVISynth yet.

This was probably KungFuCow's problem, he had 10 second (blank) MPV streams muxed with audio/subtitle files which added up to 1.02GB ?

[krbo]

Originally posted by Paced
@Nic: Thanks for the clarification on the 2-pass option :)

@jdobbs (again): Sorry, but here's another question for you. How much control do you have over the REBUILDER.ECL script itself? Here's my situation: the main movie on my DVD is progressive, whereas the extras (trailers etc.) are interlaced. Does DVD ReBuilder take account of this?

Tested it right now with PAL progressive DVD.

It looks like Rebuilder is not yet ready for PAL using encoders
(CCE or TMPGEnc)

ReJig being a transcoder doesn't care of field order/progressive...

Also it leaves CCE's stupid filters enabled so more control over ECL parameters is required.

For correct PAL encoding it must detect first is it progressive or
interlaced (if yes then correct field order is a must)

Small bug in setup: if you later add some more paths it doesn't save it until one of the subtitles is unchecked/checked again to show "save" button.

I'll suggest adding paths to DVD2AVI and Avisynth plugin folder (now I have several of them) in the setup.

My test on two progressive PAL segments produces two garbage files of correct lenght with only one frozen frame in each and some reddish thing in lower letterbox border :)

All in all for now , very nice and promising - nice job jdobbs !

btw. maybe a small notice that AddAudio() is not internal Avisynth
command ...

[Paced]

@krbo: You're right, PAL encoders such as ourselves will require some editing of the .ECL. But instead of going into each .avs file and changing it accordingly in CCE, I suggest jdobbs adds the option for "Offset line" into the .ECL itself, thus all we (PAL users) would need to do is, open it with notepad, and change the values from 1 -> 0 or vice versa accordingly.

[jdobbs]

It looks like Rebuilder is not yet ready for PAL using encoders
I live in the NTSC world, so I haven't tested PAL -- but my intent was for it to work for CCE, what exactly is it not doing.
Small bug in setup: if you later add some more paths it doesn't save it until one of the subtitles is unchecked/checked again to show "save" button.
Paths are updated when you select them -- the "Save" button is only for the audio list.
Also it leaves CCE's stupid filters enabled so more control over ECL parameters is required.
I'll look at that tonight also. I let the filters slip through with defaults.
My test on two progressive PAL segments produces two garbage files of correct lenght with only one frozen frame in each and some reddish thing in lower letterbox border
The reddish thing is an error message from AVISYNTH. Go into the \D2VAVS folder and open the .AVS directly with media player. You should be able to read the error message then.
Oh, jdobbs, you might want to include the mpeg2dec3.dll plugin, as well as instructing the AVS scripts to load it (or we'll all just be encoding 10 second clips)
I thought that if you put it in the PlugIn directory it wouldn't have to be individually listed. If I'm wrong it should be easy to add.

[Nic]

(I was just thinking you probably need something that goes from AVS->M2V but uses ffmpeg to do it...Have you already got something like that? Im quite in the mood to whip something up to do it if you haven't)

[jdobbs]

@Nic

That would be great. I haven't even started to address that.

[jdobbs]

@krbo,

Just FYI. My plan was to add a module that would let you create templates for ECL and .AVS files -- but it just got to the point that I thought I'd never actually hand the software out, so I set some defaults and released the beta as-is. Eventually I'd like for users to be able to customize just about everything.

[lighty]

@jdobbs
Path to TMPGEnc can be selected but it is not remembered.

[jdobbs]

@lighty

Yeah. Since it isn't implemented I really should have removed it or disabled it. I haven't even started looking at how I will support TMPGEnc yet.

[KungFuCow]

Well, I tested Lost In Translation overnight and the program ran all the way through, authored the DVD and the output is too small again. The output for this DVD was 2.89GB.

I do think its finishing a bit quickly as it managed to do this DVD in under 3 hours and Lost In Translation is a pretty big DVD. It also is only writing one VOB file for each titleset, which is the same thing it did when I attempted to do Bring It On Again. Lost In Translation has 18 titlesets and each one has a VTS_XX_0.VOB and a VTS_XX_1_VOB and thats it so it looks like somehow DVD-RB is missing something somewhere.

Something else I noticed is that I dont ever see DVD2AVI get called. At what point is this program supposed to run because I never see it start up.

[jdobbs]

DVD2AVI never gets called directly. DVD-RB does the scanning. Something is definitely wrong if you are getting output that is not 4.3GB. Have you opened the VTSs to see if they were actually created properly? If they look like blackness with orange/red patterns on the bottom there may be something wrong with the AVS file. Either way it is DVD-RB's problem.

In the 18 titlesets, is there a lot of space used in the VTS_XX_0.VOB files? DVD-RB copies menus directly without recompressing. I have "Lost In Translation" on NTSC DVD. I'll try it and see what happens.

[KungFuCow]

Im rerunning Lost In Translation now except Im doing it via the 3 Click Method and running CCE manually. Ill see what happens when its done and report back.

[Paced]

@jdobbs: You're right about it not having to be loaded if the plugin is in your "plugins" directory, but I'm pretty sure not everyone knows this (they do now :) - possibly add something to your Rebuilder.txt file?).

Originally posted by KungFuCow
Im rerunning Lost In Translation now except Im doing it via the 3 Click Method and running CCE manually. Ill see what happens when its done and report back.

Are you sure you do not have any errors in your AVS scripts? Right click on one, then "Open With" and choose Windows Media Player, you'll most likely get an error saying AVISynth cannot find a certain command that's listed in the script (because you don't have the required plugin(s) installed).

[robot1]

I was backing up an interlaced dvd, and i find this script:
mpeg2source("E:\FILMSOURCE\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,8969)
ConvertToYUY2()


I think the correct line was
...
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)


Keep up the great work.

[Barker]

I haven't had a chance to try this software yet, but out of curiosity, is it designed to support seamless branching correctly(similar to other 1 click transcoders that do not change the dvd structure)?

[jdobbs]

Yes it was designed to support it. But it isn't doing it yet.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by Paced
@jdobbs: You're right about it not having to be loaded if the plugin is in your "plugins" directory, but I'm pretty sure not everyone knows this (they do now :) - possibly add something to your Rebuilder.txt file?).



Are you sure you do not have any errors in your AVS scripts? Right click on one, then "Open With" and choose Windows Media Player, you'll most likely get an error saying AVISynth cannot find a certain command that's listed in the script (because you don't have the required plugin(s) installed).

I get these errors:

Script Error: There is no function named AddAudio in file xxxx
Script Error: There is no function named mpeg2source in file xxxx

I have since moved over the dvd2avi dll file and the vfp file over to the Plugin dir of Avisynth so I guess Ill see if that makes a difference. I am open to suggestions tho because Im sure whatever the problem is, its my fault.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by jdobbs
DVD2AVI never gets called directly. DVD-RB does the scanning. Something is definitely wrong if you are getting output that is not 4.3GB. Have you opened the VTSs to see if they were actually created properly? If they look like blackness with orange/red patterns on the bottom there may be something wrong with the AVS file. Either way it is DVD-RB's problem.

Yea, they play with black screens with a red/orange pattern at the bottom of the screen.

[jdobbs]

@KungFuCOw,

What version of AVISYNTH are you using? I think AddAudio() is standard in 2.5 and above. If not, go under the Options/AVS Options and unclick "AddAudio()" -- in some circumstances you may want to click on "ResampleAudio(44100)" to get around a bug in CCE.

Script Error: There is no function named mpeg2source in file xxxx

This should be supported as a part of mpeg2dec.dll or mpeg2dec3.dll

When I finally get around to making a manual and/or a guide I can see that there are lot of specifics I'll need to call out on the support applications. Sorry for the continuing problems. I think you'll be pleased after I work out the initial kinks.

[KungFuCow]

Im running AviSynth 2.54, which I downloaded from here.

I dropped mpeg2dec3dg.dll in the Avisynth plugin dir and Im rerunning DVD-RB on Lost In Translation. The DV2AVS is only showing about 1.5GB in size so Im not getting my hopes up on this one working right either.

[jdobbs]

@Paced

You are absolutely right about the offset_line. That'll be fixed tonight. I went back to my standard CCE templates and the flag is off. Don't know when that happened.

[jdobbs]

@KungFuCow,

Try turning "One-Click" off and run only the first "Prepare" section. That should take less than 4-5 minutes. Then go directly into the D2VAVS directory and right click on an AVS, and choose "Open with" and run from Windows Media Player. That way you can see if it will work well in advance instead of waiting for the entire process.

[Zhnujm]

I already tried some different discs, but always some of the cce encodes gave me an error like this: (dont know exactly)

vinfo_open() failed
cannot open/create file
windows error code: 0x8 8

The .avs files of this encodes look good in Virtualdub, if i load them in cce they encode fine.
Obviously the rebuilding also fails afterwards :(

But i want to thank the person that tries to creates the first REAL one-click-tool :)

[lighty]

@jdobbs

I cannot select 3 or 4 pass mode even when I use EclCCE or CCE Pro 2.67. I mean they're not greyed but when I select them, they don't stick.

[DMagic1]

Why didn't see this last night. Had the perfect project for it.


Also is there anyway to have Rejig open minimized? It makes it very had to do anything while its popping up every few seconds.

[KungFuCow]

Unclicked AddAudio() and clicked ReSample Audio (44100) and the AVS files play in Windows Media Player now with no errors. So, once again, CCE is doing its thing.

[jdobbs]

KungFuCow,

I just went back and looked at the AVISYNTH documentation and, sure enough, AddAudio isn't there -- I have a feature loaded in the Plug-Ins, duh!!!

In the version I am currently working I will change the default to "ResampleAudio"

It's been so long since I loaded it I guess I forgot.

[jdobbs]

I cannot select 3 or 4 pass mode even when I use EclCCE or CCE Pro 2.67. I mean they're not greyed but when I select them, they don't stick.
Yep, another stupid error. I just fixed that one and it will be included in tonight's post.

[djan]

Hi,

Great work jdobbs, you're making a great tool. But I'm having some problem. First you say we have to install DVD2AVI but when I download the Donald Graft version, it's not an installation but files in a directory after extraction. I tried DVD Rebuilder using ReJig but it stops while Video Demultiplexing the last VTS. It gives me the following error : Run-time error '9' : Subscript out of range.

Thx for your help to let me try this great piece of work.

EDIT : The same problem with CCE 2.5 and the other method.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@lighty

It does support subtitles. What it doesn't support is the removal of subtitles. In doing many DVDs I came to the conclusion that the total amount of space used by subtitles is completely insignificant, so rather than take take them out -- all subtitles remain in the final authored product.

jdobbs

Food for thought... The size of subtitles is not why I remove them. I remove them so I don't have to thumb through all the variations just to turn my language on and off during a movie.

Regards... and best of luck with this great program!

[jdobbs]

@djan

Are you sure you got it while demuxing? Was it before ReJig started its encoding or after? I've gotten this in the past when I had audio errors during remux -- but I thought it was gone...

[djan]

Yes, sure while demuxing, it's the same problem with the method 2 when I push prepare.

[DMagic1]

I just ran a project with Rejig and one click turned off. I had no errors or problems.

I'm now running a project with one click turned on. Will post if there are any problems.

[djan]

The same problem with CCE 2.5 but it's while Scanning and writing .D2V file. It's always on the last VTS.

[djan]

Ok, tested with another movie, it worked until Copying IFO, BUP, and menu files... then stopped with the following error :Run-time error '380' : Invalid property value.

[quantum]

I also got the 10 CCE windows opening at the start problem. Using the work-around at the start of the thread, I opened rebuilder.ecl via eclcce. This caused eclcce to load all 39 AVS's at once. I hope this isn't the regular method since this drove me up to around 2 gigs of ram. They need to be fed one at a time. I'll test something else that is simpler.

question:
- Will there be any way to adjust the bitrates for the different titles?
- To Doom9 or whoever is responsible: Why not immediately start a new forum for this app. I remember the monster IFOUpdate threads that quickly became impossible to follow.

I'm looking forward to the progress of this app. I think jdobbs has the expertise to make this work :-)

[jdobbs]

A new version v0.15 is attached.

Mar 15th, 2004 (v0.15)
- Deleted TMPGENC path from setup screen. It did nothing and caused confusion
- Fixed support for eclCCE with CCE SP 2.50. Makes command line (single click) possible with that version now
- Fixed error in menu in which setting the pass count didn't work
- Fixed offset_line=1 error. It should have been set to offset_line=0

Still having problems getting CCE SP 2.6X trial working with eclCCE but I'm a little burned out tonight.

ATTACHMENT REMOVED AFTER 1763 DOWNLOADS
LOOK AT THE FIRST POST TO FIND LINK TO LATEST VERSION

[djan]

I tested another movie and I got again the error '380'. It happens at the end of copying IFO, BUP and menu files.

EDIT : Doesn't it have anything to do with my non DVD2AVI installation ? Because I downloaded the Donald Graft version but it's not an installation. I just extracted the files in a directory. Do I have something to do with ?

[DMagic1]

No problems with Rejig and one click, or 3 step process.

One thing I did notice was that with 2 different movies the end result was 4,591,***,*** bytes each time.

Is there a saftey margin of 100mb or so?

[djan]

It's ok, with the new version, it's going farther. It's now encoding using ReJig. I'll post my results soon as fast as it's finished. I hope it'll work with CCE too.

[jdobbs]

Well, I'd be lying if I said I'd expected this many problems. Am I the only person who is getting good results from it?

@djan

I think you just need to pick a directory for DVD2AVI and run it once.

@dmagic

The resultant size is dependent upon the accuracy of the encoder (ReJig or CCE).

[redfive19]

I get an AviSynth error. I know I have AviSynth correctly installed since it works with DoItFast4U and the BIG3....

This is the error I get when opening the AVS in MPC

Script error: there is no function named "mpeg2source"
(Z:\Burn\dvdrebuild\d2vavs\v01000100001002.AVS line 5)

I dumped MPEG2Dec3WS.dll in the AviSynth plugins folder, but no luck. I am no AviSynth master by any stretch but I know this is just a plugin problem. Just don't know how to fix it! Thanks in advance!

-redfive

[jdobbs]

@redfive19

How do you normally read an MPEG file into AVISYNTH? Do you not use mpeg2source()?

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs


@djan

I think you just need to pick a directory for DVD2AVI and run it once.

What is the need of DVD2AVI in ReBuilder ? Do I have to let it open or do I have to run it once and then I can close it ?

[redfive19]

jdobbs - dude I don't know! Sounds crazy but I kind of always let ReAuthorist and DoCCE4U do the work, never really got into AVS scripts! Sorry man. Don't mean to bug you.

[jimmy basushi]

@redfive19
i might be totally off base here, but try getting DVD2AVIdg again from the download page and using the mpeg2dec3.dll from it.

edit: answered a question i asked

[jdobbs]

@djan
Actually now that I think about it, I don't think it serves a purpose anyway since DVD-RB does the decoding. What matters is the MPEG2DEC.DLL module -- which decodes the .D2v file. I was thinking about VFAPI, but that really shouldn't matter. I'm a little brain-dead right now.

[redfive19]

Okay I fixed it, I reinstalled AviSynth 2.54 and it works now. I had to take the AddAudio tag out of each script. THIS APP IS AMAZING AND YOU WILL DEFINATELY BE GETTING A DONATION FROM ME!!!

-redfive

[redfive19]

Also, I did redownload DVD2AVI and I am guessing that helped too! Sorry for being such a noobie with somethings. Thanks for the help guys.

[jdobbs]

@redfive19

You should be able to unclick the "AddAudio" in the options menu and it won't be added to the files. The latest version doesn't turn it on as the default any more. But it may be set in an existing .INI file.

[redfive19]

yup, does the job now. I unchecked it. And it's running. You rule...your hard work is much appreciated.

[DaRarenunikeone]

i dont see alot of guides talking about re encoding interlaced video .. i was wondering could ya add in there the ability to re encode interlaced video like the extras and stuff in their interlaced format instead of cutting the frames..

[huesage]

first of all i would like to thank you for all your hard work. i downloaded and installed 0.14 with no sucess running one click mode. but as i was going to try it using 3 click mode, you released new one with fix !!

I am amazed at how fast you work ! It is running right now with CCE 2.5 and ECLCCE and seems to be running just fine.

I must say, I am trying to type and im getting CCE windows popping up in front of me all the time, is there an easy way of start CCE minimized? Im sure that is not your main concern right now.

I have been following BIG 3 method for some time now with alot of sucess, but gave up because of lack of time and the need of me beeing there for the next process. I am very happy to see the 1rst attempt at a one click backup util with CCE quality !

oops ! just canceled a CCE window by hitting space bar, DOH !

Thank again for all your hard work, I will give you as much support as possible.

[quantum]

Using CCE 2.66.01.07 with eclcce. With the new dvdrb version, the encode button actually works but it keeps opening a new instance of CCE. It doesn't wait for the last one to finish.

[jdobbs]

@DaRarenunikeone

It should recognize and work with interlaced video. It only does the cut when it sees pulldown.

@quantum

Yep, that's the reason I put the note in about still having problems. I can't find a reason for it yet. After executing CCE (eclCCE) my code keeps checking for its existence with GetClassName() until it closes. For some reason when CCE 2.6X and eclCCE is running the API call returns as 0 even when it is still running.

@huesage

Actually I am making the shell call with a command to run minimized, but the combination of eclCCE doesn't work -- I think it's because the call is executing eclCCE (minimized), but then eclCCE runs CCE (not minmized). I'm not sure how I can fix this.

[quantum]

I sent you a pm with some code samples. I've done some of this stuff before.

[djan]

It's ok, it works for me using ReJig. I'm testing now with CCE 2.5, I hope it'll work too.

[lab-one]

I've never used CCE but am about to start with this app. Question is, does CCE Basic (2.67) work sufficiently for this? I'd rather not spend big money right now.

Thank you for the work, can't wait to start playing.

[redfive19]

Okay I am getting red stipes on the bottom of the video encoded by CCE. Any clues?

EDIT: I just read a previous post and you said it was an AviSynth error. However, I checked the original AVS in MPC and it plays without error. Any ideas?

[huesage]

ok,

i have been reading the few posts on this problem, it seems like I am unclear on the instalation requirements to run this properly.

can someone please explain as best as possible, what needs to be installed and how to do it?

I try to play the AVS files but this is the error I get in WMP9 and zoom player:

Script error: there is no function names "mpg2source"

Someone please help, I have this feeling that I do not have this setup and installed properly.

[Paced]

Originally posted by huesage
ok,

i have been reading the few posts on this problem, it seems like I am unclear on the instalation requirements to run this properly.

can someone please explain as best as possible, what needs to be installed and how to do it?

I try to play the AVS files but this is the error I get in WMP9 and zoom player:

Script error: there is no function names "mpg2source"

Someone please help, I have this feeling that I do not have this setup and installed properly.

Hello, this is basically what you need to do:

First, download and install AVISynth (2.5.x) if you haven't already :) Secondly, go to http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises -> scroll down to where it says "Mpeg2dec3" and download the AVISynth 2.5 version. Once downloaded, extract the contents of the package into your C:\Program Files\AVISynth 2.5\plugins directory (don't create a separate folder, just extract it all into the 'plugins' directory). Now, download yourself the new beta jdobbs has released (0.15), and try again.

@jdobbs: I'm glad you got that "Offset line" worked out, it was starting to confuse me :) Also, the latest beta still reads as "DVD ReBuilder v0.14 (Beta)" in the window title :) One more thing, I suggest you also do something to tick the "Progressive frames" option in CCE 2.50 (although once again, I'm not sure even if it matters in this case). You should also take into account of what the "ZigZag scanning order" and "Linear quantizer scale" values should be (I've read somewhere that the "Linear quantizer scale" gives better quality, even if the stream is non-linear). Now I'll be off to do some testing of 0.15 ! Thanks again, and great work :D

[huesage]

@Paced:

Thank you very much for the instructions, I have re-installed Avisynth and extracted that package into the plugins folder, hopefully it will work this time arround. I will let you all know if it fixes my problem or not.

I would like to say that even though my contribution will not be much, I will defenately help with the donations.

[KungFuCow]

I finally managed to get a DVD done after making the changes I stated earlier. This program is awesome. I can see this becoming the program of choice for a lot of people. JDobbs, I hope CinemaCraft is giving you a kickback of all the CCE Basics they sell for this.

[DMagic1]

Up until now I had no problems with RB using Rejig.

Just hit my first problem trying to do Trainning Day.
It seems to stall or lockup at "creating M2V for segment 32".
It then skips to Rebuilding even though Rejig never opened.
A second later I get "Run-time error '380': Invalid property value"

[JFerguson]

I'm guessing not...Closed Captions?

[krbo]

I live in the NTSC world, so I haven't tested PAL -- but my intent was for it to work for CCE, what exactly is it not doing.



for now it will be quite OK to add something like "PAL overrides" menu where we can select progressive or upper/lower field (ZigZag/Alternate also)


Paths are updated when you select them -- the "Save" button is only for the audio list.



hm,several times I ended with empty path list or missing last entry I put.Maybe something on my PC.

[Nic]

(@jdobbs: I wrote a little commandline app to go from AVS->M2V using libavcodec from ffmpeg...ill release it soonish...saves you having to code it)

[Paced]

@jdobbs

Just thought I'd report back on my results with .15:

I've only found one major 'hiccup' so far -> I still get that error we had initially (many, many ECLCCE instances trying to open all at once) with One Click mode enabled (CCE 2.50 SP with ECLCCE). However, with One Click mode off, everything runs smoothly - you might want to check into this.

[RB]

jdobbs has done the impossible! Unbelievable. Ever since you posted this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64377) in Development, I thought you might be working on something like DVD-RB but I didn't hold my breath yet :) Congratulations, I can imagine what a huge, huge amount of work this must have been.

I have just tried it with "Meet the Parents" (PAL R2) and it worked (almost) without a glitch. Truly amazing. Now about the glitches :)

DVD-RB detects eight audio tracks in VTS_01 although there is only a single audio track: Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)
This is the Dreamworks intro and it worked just fine after rebuilding. The entire disc came out perfectly sized and plays fine, the only other glich I noticed is a problem with seeking in WinDVD. Dragging the slider to seek in the movie works for a bit, but will eventually kick you back to the menu with the player in Pause mode (have to hit the space bar to get the menu going). This doesn't happen with the original disk. I also noticed that while audio tracks I removed were really not in the VOBs anymore, they were still referenced in the IFO. Did you consider updating VTS_PGCITI and set the status of the removed streams to zero (this is what IC does)? Also the layer break doesn't seem to get removed. Again, for the first beta, these are awesome results!


Concerning AVISynth:

Do not use ResampleAudio(). The fact that this added a fake audio track to the AVS was actually a bug that has been corrected in AVISynth 2.0.8 and later. For AVISynth 2.0.8 and later you must use AddAudio() (IOW you have to have AddAudio.avsi in the Plugins directory).

Also you should make sure to use ConvertToYUY2(Interlaced=True) if there are any interlaced pictures in the stream. Since you obviously ported most of the DVD2AVI code into your app, this should be easy to detect. We recently had quite an interesting discussion (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70225) on that topic in the CCE forum.


Concerning CCE setup:

Filters really should be turned off by default. You should also replicate the original stream encoding in the CCE settings (progressive frames, scan order ZigZag or Alternate), I think you are already getting this information during parsing the stream. If there is mixed content (i.e. some frames interlaced, some progressive, some alternate, some ZigZag), just use interlaced/alternate. In general, I think we should have more control over the CCE settings.

As for the memory usage problems when loading those many AVS files... this is something that unfortunately isn't fixed by AddAudio(). It's a bug in CCE. I know it is fixed in the next 2.67 beta version of CCE-SP, but for the time being, there is no real workaround other than to encode each AVS separately. If using EclCCE though, it can be worked around using the
-nochapterlist command line switch which is OK as long as you are encoding every cell separately (there's no I-Frame list in this case anyway).

OK, so I have noticed that you are encoding every cell in a separate AVS. If at all possible, please consider changing this so that as many as possible adjacent cells are combined into one AVS. This will guarantee the best possible results because VBR has a bigger range to work with and can distribute bitrate in a more efficient way. Just consider a worst-case scenario: let's say we have a movie with 20 cells where all cells contain fairly low-motion, "easy" video except for one cell which contains the big showdown with lots of fire, fast motion etc. Now CCE will actually waste bitrate in 19 cells that would have been better allocated to the "showdown cell". I think this is quite an important issue and not too hard to implement. Just scan the big MPV and grab the packets you need for every cell. Of course you'll need to add a proper chapter (I-Frame) list to the ECL.

The DVD I was rebuilding also had several VTS_0x_1.VOBs that were really menus, that is, a single cell consisting of a single I-Frame (still picture). Those of course were also added to the ECL and the rebuilt menu worked just fine, but maybe as a small optimization, you could skip reencoding still pictures as it gains almost nothing.


Concerning EclCCE:

It is true that running CCE minimized isn't supported by EclCCE right now. I'll add it in the next version. It's probably easiest for you to use CreateProcess() to launch EclCCE with the -batch switch, this gives you a EclCCE.exe process handle (or ShellExecuteEx() with SEE_MASK_NOCLOSEPROCESS). Then simply periodically check that handle with WaitForSingleObject() (use a timer) to see whether EclCCE/CCE has exited and finished.

Note that with EclCCE, the create_new_vaf ECL option is uh, reversed (admittedly a lazyness bug :) ). Actually create_new_vaf=1 means "use existing VAF" and create_new_vaf=0 is "Create new VAF". I figure I should fix that in the next version, too. In general, if you have problems with EclCCE, don't hesitate to PM me!


Some questions:

The REBUILDER.ECL uses the GOP size of the original stream. Is this mandatory, can we change the GOP size? Also I see that "Add sequence end code" is checked. I suppose you don't mux the sequence end code back into the original VOBs?
Does it keep PUOs in the VOB NAV packs? When calcualting bitrates, do you make sure that you don't encode something to a bitrate higher than in the original ;)?

Of course what we all want is the ability to encode "extras" at a lower bitrate or remove some alltogether and it probably is on your to-do list already :) Ideally, an interface like that in InstantCopy to adjust compression and audio/title removal would be a good idea, IMHO. Also, how hard would it be to add the ability to compress menus? I mean, as far as your code is concerned, a menu VOB shouldn't be much different from a "normal" VOB, no?

One last request: could you make the green background for the dialog, uh, optional? :)

Thanks!

[influenza]

Nice job jdobbs. It's nice to see people putting effort into this.

I have some comments so far (maybe they are addressed already, but it was quite some reading ;)

1) bitrates. How are they set? Right now I don't see an option for it. Is the bitrate evenly divided over all vts-es or are extras given less bitrate etc.

2) Interleaved muxing. I see you're planning to add this in the future. Well that's very promising, especially since no windows based app can do true seamless branching at the moment.

3) That offset line is definetely important. Not only on PAL but on PAL, but also on NTSC. For progressive material it doesn't matter, but for interlaced it is. So based on the field order it should be set to 0 for top field first (or upper field first) and 1 for bottom field first (which is kinda rare, but standard on dv material I believe).

4) with regard to point 3: how is interlaced material encoded? as Interlaced I guess. Will there be an option to deinterlace if someone wants that? And back to point 1 about the bitrates: if encoded as interlaced what are the bitrates used? Because interlaced material requires a lot more bitrate than progressive, cause it's much less compressible.

5) Will there be an option to compress menus in the future? Especially for those titles with huge menus. Especially with PAL dvds they can be big because of multiple languages etc.

6) I can't imagine anyone wants to remove subs because of space, but if you use scenarist to reauthor you'll surely do it for speed. :) So it depends on your muxing method I guess, if muxing 20 subs doesn't matter too much speed wise compared to muxing 2 it should be fine.

7) Does your app transfer button commands if they are in the vob? Talking button over video here ofcourse. So will the buttons be recreated while authoring and will the appropiate button command be transferred to them.

8) Not really a question but an assumption: forced subs are handled correctly?

I gave it a try of course, but with no luck yet. It complained about not being able to open multiple instances of eclcce. I read how I can solve that so I will give that a try later. (not sure though if this should have been solved with the .15 release).

Hopefully I won't hold up the coding too much with this long reply full of questions ;)

edit: and I see RB beat me to it , by posting an even longer reply just before mine, so i better make it somewhat longer by adding three more questions :D

[JvD]

jdobbs, thanks for a killerapp! The flexibility to use Rejig or CCE is SUPER!
For those concerning subtitle removal, why not remove them manually OR run through DVDShrink first (without compressing anything). YEAH, I know, then it becomes av multiple click proces. Sorry! Just a thought!

[auenf]

Originally posted by redfive19
Okay I am getting red stipes on the bottom of the video encoded by CCE. Any clues?

EDIT: I just read a previous post and you said it was an AviSynth error. However, I checked the original AVS in MPC and it plays without error. Any ideas?

you've most probably run out of memory.

Enf...

[redfive19]

I have a GIG of memory and never had that issue before with CCE and the Big3

[influenza]

If you use docce4u/batchccews all the avs are fed seperately and in this case all at the same time if I read correctly ;)

[jir591]

Just more feedback for the group:

I tried DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.5 + ECLECC using One Click Mode. The program processed the movie without interruptions or error messages. In the status window the program stated that the job was complete after 1 hour 42 minutes. I checked the output and the total was only 1.24 GB of which there was only one 0.99 GB VOB file in the titleset for the movie.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by redfive19
I just read a previous post and you said it was an AviSynth error. However, I checked the original AVS in MPC and it plays without error. Any ideas?

Instead of opening it in MPC, see how CCE opens it (since it is often a different method). In the encoding settings window click on "settings" button, next to the input file name, then double click on the file in the new window. This will open up the window used to set chapter points and will show a preview of the video. If AviSynth is giving an error you can read it here, where as the encoded error message is always jumbled.

[Paced]

Originally posted by jir591
Just more feedback for the group:

I tried DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.5 + ECLECC using One Click Mode. The program processed the movie without interruptions or error messages. In the status window the program stated that the job was complete after 1 hour 42 minutes. I checked the output and the total was only 1.24 GB of which there was only one 0.99 GB VOB file in the titleset for the movie.

You've got the same problem KungFuCow had - you need the required AVISynth plugins for DVD-RB to work the way it's supposed to. I suggest you read back a few pages, the solutions are listed somewhere there :)

[redfive19]

Here's the error I get when look at the AVS in CCE:

Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.avs, line 5)

Any ideas?

[Paced]

Originally posted by redfive19
Here's the error I get when look at the AVS in CCE:

Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.avs, line 5)

Any ideas?

Perhaps you could paste the contents of the .avs for us to see? Or, you could tell us what command is located in line 5 of the script :)

[huesage]

OK,

I finally installed everything properly thanx to Paced last night and let the "one click process" run overnight. I woke up to 2 errors:

1- I had a CCE CRC checksum missmatch.

2- There was a runtime error also which I cannot tell you what it was related to.

The backup has completed and seems to be working just fine exept for the fast forward and rewind issues that was mentioned earlier, it plays through the menu and i can do a chapter select without a problem.

As far as the CCE checksum problem, I knew someone who has the same problem when Overclocking their system and running CCE, this person had to use a patch to ignore those errors.

PS: My system is not Overclocked and I have ran CCE without any errors like this on this system many times before.

Athlon64 3000+ , Asus K8V Deluxe , 1GB (2x512) OCZ DDR400 (2-2-2-7)

Any ideas?

[redfive19]

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V") <-LINE 5
trim(0,3002)
ConvertToYUY2()

[RB]

Look into the D2V file. Are the VOBs the first lines in the D2V file point to really there?

[Paced]

Originally posted by huesage
OK,

I finally installed everything properly thanx to Paced last night and let the "one click process" run overnight. I woke up to 2 errors:

1- I had a CCE CRC checksum missmatch.

2- There was a runtime error also which I cannot tell you what it was related to.

The backup has completed and seems to be working just fine exept for the fast forward and rewind issues that was mentioned earlier, it plays through the menu and i can do a chapter select without a problem.

As far as the CCE checksum problem, I knew someone who has the same problem when Overclocking their system and running CCE, this person had to use a patch to ignore those errors.

PS: My system is not Overclocked and I have ran CCE without any errors like this on this system many times before.

Athlon64 3000+ , Asus K8V Deluxe , 1GB (2x512) OCZ DDR400 (2-2-2-7)

Any ideas?

What version of CCE are you using? There is a patch available for CCE 2.50 that fixes this CRC error (it's very common, so I doubt it's only for overclocked systems).

@redfive19

Everything in that script looks fine to me - this is just a long shot, but may I ask what plugin you're using to enable the "mpeg2source" command?

[huesage]

@paced:

I am running CCE version 2.5, and as you said, my friend just sent me the patch in question, so I am hoping that it will take care of that problem. But I still do not know where the runtime error came from, although appart from that backup process seemed to go very smoothly.

PS: I am using a PAL DVD for backup tests which i recently ordered from France.

[influenza]

PS: I am using a PAL DVD for backup tests which i recently ordered from France.

from france, that might be the problem ;)

I do not envy jdobbs, waking up and having to read a couple of pages of news replies.

It's interesting to see that some people go to the whole process withoput a glitch, while others have lots of problems. Maybe Jdobbs can create an installer that includes all the files needed and/or can someone create a comprehensive list of all files/tools needed and their respective setup/location.

[mikegun]

hi @all,

I'd love to try this but I can't get it to work properly.
The problem is that the .m2v files are not created ?!
The programm flips through messages like "creating m2v for segment xy"
and at the end it sasy "creating m2v for segment 00" and nothing happens.
I installed latest avisynth and plugins and eclcce (I'm using cce 2.50). I can open the .ecl file manually and cce does it's job, so it seems like my system is not responsible ?! Did I miss something ?

regards,

m.

p.s. pressing rebuild gives me the run-time error 380. invalid property value

p.p.s. forget it, I found it out myself. should point executable to the eclcce and not to the cce.exe itself !!

[Paced]

Originally posted by huesage
@paced:

I am running CCE version 2.5, and as you said, my friend just sent me the patch in question, so I am hoping that it will take care of that problem. But I still do not know where the runtime error came from, although appart from that backup process seemed to go very smoothly.

PS: I am using a PAL DVD for backup tests which i recently ordered from France.

Cool, the patch should definitely fix your CRC error, but, I'm not sure where that runtime error came from (if it happens again, try to remember the exact message and paste it in here :)).

About your PAL DVD, I think it's safe to presume there is both progressive and interlaced material in it? If so, be careful not to burn your DVD, it's most likely DVD-RB told CCE 2.5 to encode the video streams without the progressive tags - I just did another test, and after CCE encoded the video (with DVD-RB's settings), which was originally progressive, DVD2AVI + BitrateView both reported the output stream was interlaced (which is obviously wrong, and your DVD player may not like that).

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the current DVD-RB settings are quite OK for interlaced (PAL) material (usually in the form of DVD extras) - or at least upper field first streams (which has been the case with the majority of PAL DVDs I've come across)...

[redfive19]

@Paced
mpeg2dec3 is in the plug-in folder in AviSynth
I've also tried with mpeg2dec3dg in that folder (the one that came with DVD2AVI).....

[influenza]

If so, be careful not to burn your DVD, it's most likely DVD-RB told CCE 2.5 to encode the video streams without the progressive tags

IMHO this is not important at all. I've encoded numerous PAL dvd as interlaced while the source was progressive. This doesn't make the slightest difference. While most PAL main movies are progressive all programs report them being interlaced anyway.(at least in most cases)

Encoding interlaced material with wrong settings is a quite other story of course, but we weren't talking about that ;)

[Paced]

Originally posted by influenza
IMHO this is not important at all. I've encoded numerous PAL dvd as interlaced while the source was progressive. This doesn't make the slightest difference. While most PAL main movies are progressive all programs report them being interlaced anyway.

Encoding interlaced material with wrong settings is a quite other story of course, but we weren't talking about that ;)

My DVD player has a problem playing 'interlaced' PAL (when it's meant to be progressive), maybe it's just my player :) I haven't gotten around to trying it on my other stand-alones yet..

//Edit

My other DVD player plays it fine without hassles, it may just be a problem with the first player I tried it with.

The first DVD player makes the main movie stutter quite badly, although the interlaced material on the DVD plays as it should. It's wierd I know :)

//Another edit

Yes influenza, progressive video being encoded as interlaced causes 'stutter' in one of my DVD players. But when the progressive tag is added, it's gone :)

[influenza]

I wonder what problems it has. You mean progressive video encoded as interlaced? While encoding it with progressive on wouldn't give a problem? Very strange

[Paced]

Originally posted by redfive19
@Paced
mpeg2dec3 is in the plug-in folder in AviSynth
I've also tried with mpeg2dec3dg in that folder (the one that came with DVD2AVI).....

Strange, did you check the D2V file(s) as RB said in an earlier post?

@influenza

Replied in the //edits above :)

[redfive19]

@Paced
Yeah I checked the d2v file and all seems well in there.

[Paced]

@redfive19

Just out of curiousity, what happens when you try to load the AVS into VirtualDub? Do you get the same unrecognized exception error?

//Edit
I'm beginning to think this might be a DVD2AVI conflict you're having, make sure you only have DVD2AVI 1.76 installed - if you already have this version installed, I give up :)

[redfive19]

wow haven't used VDub since the divx days! Lemme check!

[redfive19]

No I do not get that error in VDub. It looks as it does in MPC.

//EDIT
The DVD2AVI version I have is the Donald Graft one, is that what I should use???

[influenza]

Try to use the other one and see what happens. Not all apps can hadle the projects that the dg version produces. I don't know if DVD-RB experiences frames loss while demuxing? (dvd2avi does this on vobid demuxes, which is the reason to use the dg version for that)

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by Paced
Cool, the patch should definitely fix your CRC error, but, I'm not sure where that runtime error came from (if it happens again, try to remember the exact message and paste it in here :)).

About your PAL DVD, I think it's safe to presume there is both progressive and interlaced material in it? If so, be careful not to burn your DVD, it's most likely DVD-RB told CCE 2.5 to encode the video streams without the progressive tags - I just did another test, and after CCE encoded the video (with DVD-RB's settings), which was originally progressive, DVD2AVI + BitrateView both reported the output stream was interlaced (which is obviously wrong, and your DVD player may not like that).

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the current DVD-RB settings are quite OK for interlaced (PAL) material (usually in the form of DVD extras) - or at least upper field first streams (which has been the case with the majority of PAL DVDs I've come across)...

Would you happen to have a link to this patch? I seemed to have had a similar problem.

[mikegun]

hi,

after my first test (pal movie)I end up with some .bup, ifo, menu and a main movie ca. 1gb vob file.
I tried to play the files from hd, but it didn't work.
opening the main movie vob file shows a black image with some red
blocks at the bottom.

regards,

m.

[E-Male]

running the 2nd test now, dvd-rb with rejig
didn't have any problems yet

i'm really looking forward to more advanced versions of this software
with optiosn to remove certain extras and distribute the bitrate between the videos

again: the basic features work really fine for me atm
keep up that good work

[huesage]

ok,

i tried to switch over from CCE 2.5 to 2.67 (both SP), BIG MISTAKE !! i got many instances of CCE trying to run and messed everything up. 2.5 was running fine so I am going back to 2.5.

[Raymongo]

in the rebuilding phase i get the error

runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range

If i press ok DVD-RB closes!

[DrChair]

Originally posted by RB
Now about the glitches :)

DVD-RB detects eight audio tracks in VTS_01 although there is only a single audio track: Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)


I noticed the same behavior...
My guess is, that DVD-RB doesn't analyse all the VTS_XX.IFO's but only looks at the VIDEO_TS.IFO (which often contains invalid audio/subtitle info).


I haven't had the time to try out anything else than "prepare" yet, but this app sure looks promising.

One option I'm already missing though: The ability to encode the extra's at a different bitrate then the main movie (without manually calculating the bitrate and editing the ecl file)

Anyways, I'll give it a futher try tomorrow...

[E-Male]

Originally posted by Raymongo
in the rebuilding phase i get the error

runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range

If i press ok DVD-RB closes!

i got the same (in german) on "independence day" pal, branching!

this worked fine: "the fast and the furious", ntsc

[KungFuCow]

Ive found, like some others, that the program will bomb on some DVDs. Probably DVDs I shouldnt even be trying with RB yet.. like The Goonies R1, which causes the program to crash when trying to rebuild the DVD.

However, for every "standard" DVD Ive tried with it, its worked great. I did notice the multiple audio track problem on R1 Lost In Translation but the DVD seems to play fine in PowerDVD, I havent burned it yet.

I did disable the Resample Audio option in the AVS options section and added the addaudio.avsi script file to my plugin dir and Im redoing Down With Love now just to see how that works out.

For those of you having problems with the red pattern at the bottom of a black screen and undersize DVDs, you need to make sure you have MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in your Avisynth plugin dir and either Resample Audio is check and AddAudio is unchecked (If you're using CCE 2.5, etc) or if you're using CCE 2.67, you need to have Resample Audio unchecked and AddAudio checked (You need the addaudio.avsi script in your /plugin dir for this tho).

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by E-Male
i got the same (in german) on "independence day" pal, branching!

this worked fine: "the fast and the furious", ntsc

Yea, Seamless branching causes bad stuff to happen but its not supported yet as JDobbs stated so I guess its to be expected.

[Skinleech]

Originally posted by djan
I tried DVD Rebuilder using ReJig but it stops while Video Demultiplexing the last VTS. It gives me the following error : Run-time error '9' : Subscript out of range.

Thx for your help to let me try this great piece of work.

EDIT : The same problem with CCE 2.5 and the other method.

I'm using CCE 2.50, and I get this error too, right at the start of the preparation, when scanning VTS_01_0.IFO of the dvd I'm testing (Portis Live R2 disc). I'm using version 0.15.

Any ideas?

[E-Male]

tried "rush hour" pal, no branching, but many audio tracks, most of them grayed out in powerdvd
and i get the mentioned error 9 at the very beginning, at the start of the preparation part

also tfatf doesn't work anymore
all i do was updating avisynth and dvd2avi to the versions from the readme
i'll go on testing tonight

[mikegun]

Originally posted by KungFuCow

For those of you having problems with the red pattern at the bottom of a black screen and undersize DVDs, you need to make sure you have MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in your Avisynth plugin dir and either Resample Audio is check and AddAudio is unchecked (If you're using CCE 2.5, etc) or if you're using CCE 2.67, you need to have Resample Audio unchecked and AddAudio checked (You need the addaudio.avsi script in your /plugin dir for this tho).

I thought this is avisynth related and not cce related ??

rgds,

m.

[KungFuCow]

I was under the impression that the Resample Audio was to work around a bug in earlier versions of CCE, at least thats what I gathered from some posts I read.

[jptheripper]

thanx so much for this tool, cant wait to give it a whirl

[FMalibu]

First of all, I think a big thank you to jdobbs is in order! From what I've seen now this tool could be a great asset to anyone wanting to backup a DVD in the highest possible quality with the least possible fuss. So keep up the good work! :)


Secondly, a short guide to those having trouble with the MPEG2Source and AddAudio errors:

1. From the Avisynth manual: make a short .reg file containing the following:


REGEDIT4


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Avisynth]
"PluginDir2_5"="c:\\program files\\avisynth\\plugins"


Edit the path to reflect your plugins directory and doubleclick on the .reg file you made.

2. Copy MPEG2Dec2dg.dll (from neuron2.net) to this directory.

3. If you have DoItFast4U installed, copy addaudio.avs from the new.avs directory in your DoItFast4U directory to this plugin directory. Rename it to addaudio.avsi. This will make the AddAudio() function work.

You should have no avisynth problems after this. Of course, always make sure you have the latest version...


And last but not least, some constructive (at least I hope so) criticism. The big posts from both RB and influenza had some very good comments and questions (way to go on the interlaced thing influenza!) which I wonder about as well, so I'll just mention the things I can add to that.

- Among the CCE options that were said to be enabled (such as the filters), I saw no mention of possibly the most evil option at all, namely the "DVD Video compliant" option. This option overrides the maximum bitrate to 9800, thus possibly causing VBV buffer overflows (underflows?). It should really be off

- On the DVD I tried I saw that the maximum bitrate actually set was 9000. Is this a constant or does it vary depending on the audio stream bitrates? If there are a lot of audio streams then 9000 is definately too much.

- I see that the bitrate is distributed evenly among all cells on the entire DVD. I have already read some suggestions to influence this manuall for the extras etc. I recognize the need to encode all cells seperately to force CCE to insert an new closed GOP at exactly the right position, but there are some issues with encoding so many parts seperately, as pointed out by RB. Maybe a way to remedy this is to look at the bitrate of the individual parts and apply the resizing ratio against that. This means that parts with higher bitrate will be transcoded with a higher bitrate and vice versa.

- It's only a minor issue, but maybe you can have the ConvertToYUY2() command be ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) if the stream has the progressive flag disabled. There will be some artifacting if you were to use this command on interlaced material.

Other than that, personally I would be a big fan of more control over the .ECL file and bitrate distribution, like I already said.

And again, thanks alot for the coding effort, hope to see many more betas from you!

-- FMalibu

[mikegun]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
I was under the impression that the Resample Audio was to work around a bug in earlier versions of CCE, at least thats what I gathered from some posts I read.

however, use add audio with avisynth 2.5x on any cce version and
the addaudio.avsi script.

regards,

mikegun

[RB]

Originally posted by FMalibu
- Among the CCE options that were said to be enabled (such as the filters), I saw no mention of possibly the most evil option at all, namely the "DVD Video compliant" option. This option overrides the maximum bitrate to 9800, thus possibly causing VBV buffer overflows (underflows?).
Not :) It really only writes "9800" for the max. bitrate to the GOP headers, that's all. It still does perfectly satisfy your real max. bitrate setting. This is also in the CCE manual.

[jir591]

Trying to find mpeg2dec3dg.dll. I went to Donald Graft's site (http://neuron2.net/index.html) but its not working. Can someone point toward another download site?

[mikegun]

http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/

[jir591]

thanks

[wmansir]

What do you know, it worked. :)

Using 0.15 build, 3 click method w/ CCE 2.5 with ECLCCE. The DVD was Peewee's Big Adventure. I ended up having to finish up the encoding manually with the .ecl file but it started out ok. I'm not sure what happened because the first 20 or so cells encoded fine then I left the computer alone and when I came back there were 6-7 ECLCCE windows saying that "only one instance of EclCCE...". So I closed them and used the existing .ecl file to finish up the encodes and then rebuilt it. The resulting files look and play fine on my computer. I dont have a spare RW or I would test them in a standalone.

PS. The window title for .15 still reads .14

[E-Male]

sorry if it has been asked before
how do i tell the program where dvd2avi is?
how do i make it use the reommended version?

[mikegun]

you don't have to !!

regards,

m.

[dvdRENEGADE]

My first attempt at using this app was with Pirates of the Caribbean DVD #2. I used CCE 2.5 with ECLCCE. Everything went smoothly and it created my VIDEO_TS directory which contains my finished backup. However, menu navigation within PowerDVD and WinDVD using the backup is non-existant. I am not able to select anything from the menu. The buttons will not highlight when the mouse is over them. The original works fine. The video .vobs play fine when opened separately within PowerDVD and WinDVD. Puzzled, dvdrenegade

P.S. Thanks for the hard work jdobbs. It's good to see you back at the grind...hehe. This app is looking very promising.

[huesage]

OK,

I have made a good working backup of ROBOCOP NTSC using "one click" with CCE SP 2.5. I am very happy that this is actually working out, I can tell that this is not just a silly attempt at making a one click tool, this actually works, and works well !!

I am very pleased although there is still alot left to do...

I still do not know why I cannot run any other version of CCE ? I am sure those problems will slowly get worked out.

[tf]

My first attempt... and it was a success.

Movie was 25th Hour PAL Nordic version. I used CCE2.50 Pro with ECLCCE and the mpeg2dec3.dll. Everything went quite smooth and the result was 40 mb from max size.

Menu plays ok. Movie plays ok. I had previously stripped the original with DVDStripper, and had DVDRB work on that output.

All in all a total success.

Thanks for an awesome product which I am certain will rock even more in the future.

-tf

[djan]

Do I need to use EclCCE when I have a fully working CCE 2.50 (not Trial Version) ? Thx.

[tf]

I believe so, yes. I had to, at least.

-tf

[huesage]

@djan:

YES ! using CCE SP 2.5x you have you use eclCCE, it will act as a bridge between DVD-RB and CCE 2.5.

Hope this helps.

[djan]

Thx for your help, from where can I download it ?

EDIT : It is said it works only from 2.66.01.07. Is it right ? So it means I don't need it for 2.50 ?

[jdobbs]

Attached is a new version of DVD-RB v0.16

Mar 16th, 2004 (v0.16)
- Implemented new code to handle CCE execution -- fixes problems with CCE SP 2.6X and gets rid of the multiple error popup fiasco. My thanks to quantum.
- Added ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) as an AVS option
- Turned CCE Filtering off in the .ECL files
- Made several minor (non-obvious) bug fixes and code cleanup

This version is significantly improved...

NOTE: ATTACHMENT MOVED TO THE FIRST ENTRY IN THIS THREAD

[huesage]

ok,

I am working on a little download and install guide. I will be posting it shortly, all links are from doom9 links, I hope this is not a problem. If it is, I am sorry, I am doing this only with good intentions to help people out a little.

[huesage]

:D

@jdobbs:

you are too fast !! good job, I will be downloading the new version and testing it out with newer version of CCE and post results, in the meanwhile I am still working and will update the little download and install guide.

Thanx for your hard work !

[tf]

huesage: Probably a good idea, not all might be able to pickup and get it working straight away.

jdobbs: Amazing. An update already. Keep up the good work. Will there be a chance to set number of passes higher than 4? Of course it can be done by altering the output from the preparation, but still... :-)

-tf

[Trahald]

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by FMalibu
- Among the CCE options that were said to be enabled (such as the filters), I saw no mention of possibly the most evil option at all, namely the "DVD Video compliant" option. This option overrides the maximum bitrate to 9800, thus possibly causing VBV buffer overflows (underflows?).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Not It really only writes "9800" for the max. bitrate to the GOP headers, that's all. It still does perfectly satisfy your real max. bitrate setting. This is also in the CCE manual.

yeah.. i was fittling(sp) through the manual the other day and noticed that.. its significant when using maestro/scenarist because it usually first checks that value before it does the true scanned bitrate check... and it may b*tch about it.. its less significant here since i would imagine jdobbs routines will presume bitrate
compliancy.

[jdobbs]

@tf

I think the rule of thumb is that there isn't a lot of improvement when you go over 4 passes. How many did you have in mind?

[tf]

Fast response!

Anyway, I know the rule of thumb, though I've heard it was 5 passes. Still. 1-9 would be nice, perhaps with a warning when you set it higher than 4 (something like "Warning: More than 4 passes will not yield noticeable improvement in quality, but will take much longer").

But hey, it was just a suggestion. The backup I did, looked marvellous.

-tf

[huesage]

@jdobbs:

some people like to choose for themselves even if there is not alot of or any quality gain. i personally go for 9 passes on extras with big three because of low bitrate, to compensate. and 7 passes for main movie which has more bitrate, this is probably overkill, but i still like to get the best quality possible out of it.

hope this helps you make up your mind as too how many pass options to give.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by huesage
@jdobbs:

some people like to choose for themselves even if there is not alot of or any quality gain. i personally go for 9 passes on extras with big three because of low bitrate, to compensate. and 7 passes for main movie which has more bitrate, this is probably overkill, but i still like to get the best quality possible out of it.

hope this helps you make up your mind as too how many pass options to give.

9 passes? Wow.. for what your PC eats up in electricity running that many passes, you could buy another copy!!!

;)

Keep up the great work JDobbs

[quantum]

My personal tests over the last two years show no visible difference with anything over 2 passes. There is the universal assumption that more is always better.

[Paced]

Originally posted by quantum
My personal tests over the last two years show no visible difference with anything over 2 passes. There is the universal assumption that more is always better.

I agree with quantum.

[huesage]

@KungFuCow:

I see you have a sense of humour, I was refering to the extras, since I set them to a very low bitrate I compensate with more passes. I might be wrong, but are you trying to help? or make fun?

If you wanna make fun, I think your post is apropriate.
If you wanna help, please try again and give your honest opinion with an explanation.

I thank you in advance for your enlightning of why I am wrong on this subject.

[huesage]

Hey guys,

More to report, hope all this posting helps...

Using DVD-RB 0.16 with CCE SP 2.67 through eclCCE:
the encode process went nice, but when it was time to author, i got a runtime error as follows:

Run-time error '380'
Invalid property value

Oh, this was in one click mode using an NTSC version of ROBOCOP.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by huesage
@KungFuCow:

I see you have a sense of humour, I was refering to the extras, since I set them to a very low bitrate I compensate with more passes. I might be wrong, but are you trying to help? or make fun?

If you wanna make fun, I think your post is apropriate.
If you wanna help, please try again and give your honest opinion with an explanation.

I thank you in advance for your enlightning of why I am wrong on this subject.

I was halfway making fun and half way being serious. My eyes dont really show much difference pass 2 passes like some others have stated. Ive done up to 5 passes on some really large DVDs and compared them to 2 pass versions and they all look about the same to me.

[The_Flash]

CCE's manual states there is no visible gain after 5 passes. Of course, there are people who swear that this is incorrect and that they can tell the difference on their 97" Plasma HDTV. Since I'm not spending every other day watching the same film, I'll stick with 5.

[dvdRENEGADE]

Everyone has their own opinion regarding the "correct" way to backup DVDs...some 2-pass...some 9-pass. Whatever "you" think is the best is the best. People see things differently. Hell, who knows, maybe my blue is actually your red.

@huesage:
Are you sure you have DVD Rebuilder pointing to the eclcce .exe instead of the cce .exe? That gave me the same problem last night.

dvdRENEGADE

[quantum]

I was able to complete Matchstick Men r1 ntsc. I used CCE 2.5. I also verified dvdrb 0.16 works with the later versions of CCE. I'm glad I was able to help jdobbs :-)

2 issues:
1- It seems dvdrb wants write access to the source path. When I tried to "rebuild" from an iso image mounted via daemon tools, I got a path/file access error. I copied all the files to a directory and changed the source path and then it worked.

2- There were some navigational issues. In ifoupdate, options->vts_tmapti table transfer must be set to be able to jump to specific times in both the standalone and software dvd players. This table is apparently not being transferred when dvdrb does the rebuild phase.

Otherwise things seemed basically ok. The video_ts folder was very close to the right size and navigation seemed reasonably functional. I didn't burn and test mixed video extras, but I'll get to this soon. I'm very curious to hear if the vts_tmapti issue can be addressed or if there is a workaround.

Nice progress for 24 hours. :-)

[huesage]

OK guys and gals,
Since a lot of people are having similar problems to the ones I was having at the start, I have decided to write a little instalation guide.

Here is a list of things you need to download:

1- Avisynth 2.54 (from doom9 software download page):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/SupportUtils/AviSynth_254.exe

2- DVD2AVI dg (from doom9 software download page):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Decoders/decodefix100.zip

3- EclCCE 1.7b (from doom9 forum, link in one of the posts):
http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/eclcce.zip
you only need this if you are using CCE SP 2.50, you do NOT need it for 2.6x and above.

4- DVD Rebuilder 0.16 or latest version available (from doom9 forum, link in this thread):
http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=459634

5- CCE SP 2.50 or CCE SP 2.66 (from doom9 software download page, trial versions):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Encoders/MPEG2/cspte250.exe
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Encoders/MPEG2/ccespt266.exe

Here is the instalation process:

1- install Avisynth 2.54

2- extract all the contents of DVD2AVI dg (decodefix100.zip) directly into the Avisynth 2.54 "plugins" folder
ie: C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins

3- install the version of CCE you want to work with. If you installed CCE SP 2.50 go to step 4, if not, go directly to step 5.

4- extract "eclcce.zip", run it and point it too your CCE SP 2.50 executable
ie: C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe

5- extract DVD Rebuilder 0.16 (dvd-rbv016.zip) or later
- run it
- click on "options" menu then "setup"
- here you have to point the APROPRIATE box to your EclCCE.exe or cctsp.exe depending on the version of CCE used
ie: If using CCE SP 2.50: C:\Program Files\eclcce\EclCCE.exe (in the "Path to CCE Pro 2.50" box)
ie: If using CCE SP 2.6x and above C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\cctsp.exe (in the "Path to CCE Pro (New))

6- make sure you also go to the "Options" menu, "CCE Options" and check the correct version of CCE you are using ;-)

7- if any of your source video is interlaced, make sure to go to "Options", "AVS Options" and check "ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)".

I hope that this has been helpful to some of you and that it does not cause any trouble because of links or space it has taken on the thread. This is only meant to be a help to Jdobbs who has worked so hard and has accomplished so much.

NOTE: Please do not take this guide word for word, it is only meant to help you, send you in the right direction and save you some time. you might have to do things a little different than it is mentioned in here. GOOD LUCK !!

[huesage]

@dvdRENEGADE:

YES, I am sure, I am using eclCCE for all versions ;-) the encode went fine... when time came to join all the files and output the VOBs it gave me that error and crashed.

[DMagic1]

:D
Newest version fixed the problems I had with Trainning Day. Works with Rejig and CCE 2.50.

[daxab]

Run-time error '380'
Invalid property value
@huesage (or @jdobbs)
Did you ever get past this? I'm stuck with a "Run-time error '380'" during the

"- Copying IFO, BUP, and menu files..."

phase. It happens at the very end, when the progress bar is almost at 100%, or possibly after the program has completed that phase.

[huesage]

@daxab:

I only get that error when using CCE SP 2.67, when using CCE SP 2.50 I get a finalized backup. What version of CCE are you using daxab?

[daxab]

I'm on 2.67, but this is during the Rebuild phase, so it shouldn't matter -- should it? Er, do I need to re-encode everything using 2.50?

[huesage]

I know it does not make sense, my problem is also durring the rebuild phase, but when I run it with CCE SP 2.50 the rebuild phase completes without errors. Im sorry I have no answer for you, but as of now, we are in the same boat.

[KungFuCow]

Some DVDs do that.. The Goonies did the same thing to me. Try a different DVD and see if you get different results.

[huesage]

OK,

before i crash out, I just quite DVD RB 0.16 with the paths still there. I unmounted the ISO that was in "Source Path" and when I restart DVD RB i get a runtime error everytime. I had to delete it and unzip a fresh copy, I guess I could have remounted that same ISO and it would have started up again.

Anyway, that is the last post for the night, hope this one has an easy fix.

good luck Jdobbs.

PS: I will leave RAMBO FIRST BLOOD widescreen edition on 1 click mode with DVDRB 0.16, CCE SP 2.67 and EclCEE. Will post results in the morning.

[LuemmelBS]

For my special case I know now, where the annoying Runtime Error 380 problem came from after hitting Rebuild". The extension for MPEG2 ES was set to .mpv in CCE, although the .ecl file instructed CCE to save it as .m2v, it simply didn't.
After renaming all encoded .mpv files to .m2v the rebuild process went fine.

Maybe this helps some of you guys who suffer the same problem.

@jdobbs: There's another small glitch in the app: after hitting rebuild it does what it should, but when it's finished the button says "Remerge" instead of "Rebuild". Am I missing something? DVD tested and works fine.

I wish I could do more than 4 passes without editing the .ecl file manually. ;)

Thanks for that nice app!

[DarkNite]

Other than the fact that some people prefer not to use automatic plugin loading (editing 30+ avs files instead of just entering a path to the plugin directory in the setup dialogue is rather annoying) I think this app is moving along quite nicely.

Keep up all the good work, and amazingly quick updates, it's greatly appreciated.

[GizmoDerMokwai]

willl there be any option to convert also the menu? such like CloneDVD can do it...

[DMagic1]

My finished DVD using the Rejig option has a problem. Fast forwarding and rewinding causes the DVD to freeze then return to chapter 1 or die. OF all the DVDs I've done I never seen this behavior on any for my DVD players. Other movies created with Rejig alone dont have this problem. I burned it twice on different media and it does the same thing, so I know its not the media.

Pioneer - Plays, can skip chapters, but can not fast foward or rewind without causing the DVD to go back to chapter 1.

PS2 - Starts to play but freezes at black screen before WB logo. Finally starts to play but begins at chapter 2 for 2 seconds then dies.

XBOX - Plays, can skip chapters, but can not fast forward or rewind without crashing.

Sony - Plays, can skip chapters, but can not fast foward or rewind without crashing

Toshiba - Plays, fast forward and rewind works properly.

[TheBigDave]

I'm having a problem similar to DMagic1. It occurred using the 3-click CCE (2.50) mode on DVDRB v0.15. I didn't have any problems converting or building the DVD. And it seems to play fine on my PC using PowerDVD. But here are the problems on my two standalone players:

Lite-On - When I play the DVD, it will play 1-2 seconds and then jump to the next chapter. Then it will play another 1-2 seconds and jump to the next chapter, until it gets to the last chapter. If I try to Fast Forward, it will freeze at the jump-point.

Toshiba - The first 15 minutes seemed to play fine. Then the video and audio started to hiccup and stutter. When I hit FF or RW, the movie jumps 2 minutes then starts forwarding/rewinding.

As I said, I haven't been able to replicate these problems so far on the PC.

I'm going to try again with DVDRB v0.16.

Any ideas?

[tf]

I read the posts about not being able to FF or RW in the final result. I went ahead, and tried my backup of 25th Hour (PAL Region 2) on my Pioneer DV343, and it had no problems whatsoever in that respect. FF and RW both worked as they should.

One note to jdobbs:

I know I am able to deselect streams, but as far as I see, the reference to the stream is still intact in the final result, making it possible to select silent/empty streams. It would be great if the reference was removed altogether, much like Shrink and Recode etc. does it.

During the night I did a backup of "Memoirs of the Invisible Man" (PAL Region 2), and that one was actually smaller than a dvd5, so DVDRebuilder reported a dvd size of 107%! Found it quite amusing, and the result DID turn out bigger than the original. It still worked very well, and plays like it should.

So far that's two movies with good results. Will try a much more difficult one later (Amelie PAL Reg 2, loads of menues/extras etc.)

Thumbs up to huesage for the neat little instruction. Will pass that along to friends.

-tf

[Cayne]

Hello from Germany, i'm currently trying that great program, and I already like it although my first project is not yet finished.

I wanted to donate some 10 ? , my problem is that i dont own a credit card. Is there any other way to donate?
Perhaps if you are in Europe it would be possible to do a direct transfer of the money from bank to bank, i dont know the english word in german it's called "überweisung".

Bye.

[mikegun]

hi,

with the latest beta the whole process finished without an error.
I couldn't play the result so far. just for curiosity reasons I let ifoedit do its "get vts sectors" and it corrected one file:
"corrected sector adress in table [VMGI_MAT]:
Last sector of VTS:[old:23][new:29](VTS_04_).BUP

regards,

mikegun

[Nic]

@jdobbs & DMagic1: What DMagic is describing sounds exactly like what happened when my unreleased beta's of ReJig were writing incorrect SCR values. Have you got PowerDVD XP DMagic1? How does seeking work in that? Try seeking to a point and then seeing if PowerDVD seek bar stays at that point....

@all: I've put together a little free MPEG-1/2 Encoder called QuEnc that jdobbs may include into Rebuilder, if any of you feel like testing the quality please do, so that jdobbs can see if it's worth including.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72827
(please keep all posts about QuEnc, in QuEnc's thread)

-Nic

[jdobbs]

Run-time error '380'
@ huesage

This is odd. I keep putting in one DVD after another and I just can't repeat this error.

Let me see if I have it right:

1. It only happens when using 2.67? (Is it Basic or SP?)
2. It happens at close to 100% completion
3. During the "Copy IFO..." phase of "Prepare"

Is there anything else that is unique about this?

[Paced]

@jdobbs

Great work on the latest release man, everything is A-OK here :D I haven't come across any errors/bugs so far.

@Nic

Cool, I'll give this program a shot now :)

[lighty]

@jdobbs

One or two sugestions:

1. If you're not using RoBa method (I hope not) but a true multipass option, could you add an option to set different bitrate to credits? (CCE supports this in Multipass VBR mode)

2. Could you remove that ugly green color (I am not kidding, I may not be psychotic but I want to freak out when I see it- no kidding).

3. Could you please post latest version on the first page of the thread?


Anyway- you're doing a great job. May I ask in what language did you wrote DVD-RB? C++? :)

[slafe]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@ huesage

This is odd. I keep putting in one DVD after another and I just can't repeat this error.

Let me see if I have it right:

1. It only happens when using 2.67? (Is it Basic or SP?)
2. It happens at close to 100% completion
3. During the "Copy IFO..." phase of "Prepare"

Is there anything else that is unique about this?

it`s seen to be when you have mount a image in daemon tools...i got the problem then....but now when i run file mode in dvddrecrypter it`s works fine.

"cce 2.50 +eclcce + avisynth 2.54 + dvdavi2dg +dvdrebuilder 0.16"

one queaens.. why only 4pass on cce?...maybe more pass...like 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10...??..

[RB]

jdobbs, could you please clarify on the DVD2AVI issue. I don't think it needs DVD2AVI.EXE anywhere in the system, right? When you state in the Rebuilder.txt DVD2AVI installed (Donald Graft version preferred -- it doesn't lose frames) you are actually referring to Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll, right?

I think you are creating the D2V files using your own code that was derived from DVD2AVIdg.EXE source code, right?

[buzzqw]

@RB

Mpeg2Dec3.dll must be in avisynth2.5 plugin dir.

BHH

EDIT not Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll but Mpeg2Dec3.dll , afaik

[mikegun]

hi,

as I do not have dvd2avi installed on my system and everything works fine it is safe to say you do not need it !

regards,

m.

[lab-one]

To mount the finalized VIDEO_TS contents do I need to create an .iso file and mount it with Daemon tools? Or is there a better way?

Also, I am using CCE 2.50 SP and when I try to point ECLCCE to it, ECLCCE seems to be looking for a trial version of CCE. I pointed it at the CCE.exe but it doesn't appear to make the connection. What am I doing wrong. I had some failures that others have mentioned when using CCE mode (which I will work through later) but everything looks good when doing it in ReJig mode. VIDEO_TS was 4.26GB. I would just like to view it before wasting a DVD.

Finally, regarding CCE trial versions. I understand they place a watermark on the encoded video. Is this visible at all times, just the beginning of the video....when? It would seem that if the entire video has the label that would be quite annoying.

Thanks.

[tf]

I'm using Mpeg2Dec3.dll too. Dunno if the Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll is better, but so far I haven't had problems.

On that matter, I've just finished my third attempt (Amelie, PAL Region 2, lots of menus and extras etc.) and the result was simply perfect. That's 3-for-3 for me :-)

-tf

[hypo20]

Just run manually eclCCE, go to Options -> Outputs -> Extensions (or something like that) and change the extension for MPEG-2 video from MPV to M2V. Now DVD-RB will make M2V files, not MPV and 3rd phase will work perfectly. :D

Tested. On dual AMD Opteron system :o)) Works cool to me.

GREAT WORK THIS SOFTWARE HERE. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

[tf]

lab-one:

There is no need to mount the files. Just play them with your player, just about every single software dvd-player will allow playing of files off hd.

If you wish to burn them to dvd, just use nero or something similar.

jdobbs:

As I cannot use PayPal, I was wondering if there is a bank account I could transfer some money to? I know it is costly, but I'd still like to donate a bit to such a great feat.

-tf

[krbo]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@Paced,

This is the correct setting for a two pass encode. vbr_pass=1 means that there is one pass in addition to the .VAF pass.


That is for discussion.It looks for me that CCE programmers always think "number of passes over MPV file" not counting VAF file into it.

So, if you manually set in CCE "2 pass encoding" you'll have ECL
with vbr_pass=2 which will produce one pass over VAF and two over
MPV file.

This naming difference is confusing and IMHO you should stick with CCE's behaviour. (otherwise you'll continously answering questions about that :) )


Next:
I still can't have progressive output from progressive input.
DR always sets output as interlaced with alternate scanning.

[jdobbs]

Note to everyone:

No you don't need DVD2AVI.EXE for this program to run -- but you do need MPEG2DEC3.DLL (one of the versions, I recommend the Donald Graft version).

The output names of the files (.M2V) are set by DVD-RB in the .ECL it creates. DVD-RB does create .MPV files when it uses ReJig. That is only so it can tell the difference when rebuilding (between the original file (.MPV) and the "shrunk" file (.M2V).

I'll go back through the thread this evening and try to answer questions -- I'm at my "real" job right now and I think they want me to do some (gulp) "real work."

jdobbs

[djan]

Originally posted by huesage
OK,

before i crash out, I just quite DVD RB 0.16 with the paths still there. I unmounted the ISO that was in "Source Path" and when I restart DVD RB i get a runtime error everytime. I had to delete it and unzip a fresh copy, I guess I could have remounted that same ISO and it would have started up again.

Anyway, that is the last post for the night, hope this one has an easy fix.

good luck Jdobbs.

PS: I will leave RAMBO FIRST BLOOD widescreen edition on 1 click mode with DVDRB 0.16, CCE SP 2.67 and EclCEE. Will post results in the morning. Just erase the .ini file. No need to unzip the program again.

[huesage]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@ huesage

This is odd. I keep putting in one DVD after another and I just can't repeat this error.

Let me see if I have it right:

1. It only happens when using 2.67? (Is it Basic or SP?)
2. It happens at close to 100% completion
3. During the "Copy IFO..." phase of "Prepare"

Is there anything else that is unique about this?

@ jdobbs :

OK,

Seems like other people are having this same problem, I am using DVD RB 0.16, eclCCE to bridge CCE SP 2.67. When I use that setup the last of 3 stages fails, it goes through the whole encode process just fine, just when rebuilding the DVD and outputing the VOB files in 3rd stage I get that runtime error and it crashes.

Like a few more people are mentioned, it seems that when using CCE SP 2.67 the output files are not *.MPV like CCE SP 2.50 but instead they are *.M2V which might be the reason why 3rd phase will not work, because your code is looking for *.M2V files and not finding them, hence the runtime error and crash. I will try to change settings in CCE SP 2.67 as directed by hypo20 and hope that will take care of the problem.

@ all:

Sorry about the confusion on my instalation guide with DVD2AVI, I was trying to make it as short and in depth as possible and thought it would be easiest to just extract the whole zip file into the plugins folder instead of getting the zip file and choosing one specific file to put in as plugin.

@ tf:

I am glad that my guide has been helpful to at least one person :) . hopefully more people will find it useful.

[djan]

Hi, I'm using RB 0.16 with CCE 2.50 3-Click mode. Is it normal that I have only 1,5GB after done the Prepare phase ? Thx.

[mikegun]

Originally posted by djan
Hi, I'm using RB 0.16 with CCE 2.50 3-Click mode. Is it normal that I have only 1,5GB after done the Prepare phase ? Thx.
hi,
do you have addaudio enabled ?
do you have the addaudio.avsi in your avisynth plugin-folder `

regards,

mikegun

[djan]

No, I don't have addaudio() selected and I don't have the plugin you're talking about. Thx to help me.

EDIT : Where can I find the addaudio.avsi plugin ?

[Paced]

Originally posted by djan
No, I don't have addaudio() selected and I don't have the plugin you're talking about. Thx to help me.

EDIT : Where can I find the addaudio.avsi plugin ?

Have you placed mpeg2dec3.dll in your AVISynth/plugins directory?

You can download this plugin at http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises -> scroll down to Mpeg2Dec3, and download the version for AVISynth 2.5

Also, you won't need the AddAudio.avsi in .16

[huesage]

@jdobbs:

its actually not a problem in your code, its just a default setting in CCE SP 2.67 to output MPG2 encoded streams as *.MPV, while your program is looking for *.M2V.

Maybe you can add some code to look for one or the other type, so if MPV is present process those, else, process M2V. just a thought.

@ hypo20:

Thanx for the fix, oh and, Im druling over your system setup, i wish i could even come close to affording a dual. must really fly, specially with multiple instances of CCE. Sorry, off topic, ill stop.

[huesage]

@Jdobbs:

I was thinking of what extra feature would be nice on this app. Well, there are alot of little things I can think of as far as program flexibility which I am sure you are considering already, but how about this:

will DVDRB support network encoding?

I think that would take care of the processing power issues, we all know that CCE is great quality, but what about the speed? If you can find a way to have a master computer where all the original DVD files would be, and then divide tasks and send files to be processed to however many Slave computers on home network. Once all files are processed, then all Slaves would send files back to Master for joining and completion of project.

I am already doing jump and jacks since you have released this program, but the adition of network encoding would make me and I am sure tones of users out there very happy.

So, I know there is a DivX encoding program out there going by the name of "Vidomi" which does have that feature, would you consider this feature for future revisions of your program?

[jptheripper]

problem

im using cce 2.67

however, it said it couldnt opne the ecl file until i installed eclcce and pointed it to the cce exe. does this seem odd?

questions

can i manually edit the ecl files (assuming i calculate the bitrates by hand) and the number of passes and to change the bitrate so that each titleset has a different average bitrate.

thanx

[mikegun]

hi,

just played the output with powerdvd and the menu is not coming up.
it starts immediately with the main movie.
tried the dvd player of ifoedit and I got just a black picture.

mikegun

[huesage]

@ jptheripper:

Actually I beleive that will depend entirely on what verion of CCE SP 2.67 you are using ;-)

I think alot of people here will have to use eclCCE to bride the gab between CCE SP 2.67 and DVDRB.

so make sure you download and extract eclCCE and run it and point it too your CCE SP 2.67 executable. then in DVD-RB you want to direct the path to eclCCE.

think of eclCCE as a bridge between DVDRB and CCE.

Good Luck !

[XtremeMaC]

seems nice, little resize on the audio stream part would help
and new folder on "working path"

forgive me for me ignorance but I've been using dvd shrink,
this seems to be a little confusing for me
cce?
rejig?

is there a documentation for them

can i build only 1 title set? (ie vts_01?)
(a check button to remove video titles would be nice as well)

but good jub!!! :thumbup!!!!

autofilm threshhold?
I'm confused
can u supply all those executables in the zip as well or at least give url's
(I know i want too much)

I've these
- DVD Decrypter
- DVD2AVI
- AVISYNTH
- TMPGENC..others i dunno....

*also low priority mode would be nice....

Sorry I'm like this at new softwares u should see me on other forums

1 other thing I'm trying pirates of carrebean, the movie is 2hrs long it shows 48:32
is that showing how long the movie is or how long its gonna take for it to proces??

and what's wrong with uploading .png file type???? its the best for web!

also does this use variable bitrate or constant?
unfortunatelly my reduction level is %67.8 (kindda low 4 me :( )

http://forum.pleasuredome101.com/uploads/post-55-1079503001.gif

[huesage]

@XtremeMaC:

Hey, have you read the rest of this thread before asking for things? Check page 9 of this thread for instalation guide with links to all the software you need.

Please read the WHOLE thread before asking questions... Alot of questions are already answered.

Good luck !

[jptheripper]

im using 2.67.0.9 actually

went to change settings in cce, and now for some reason whenever i launch it it is off the screen on my laptop (arggg...) so i cant get to it no matter what i do. This problem began after i first ran RB

hmmm..

[FMalibu]

Originally posted by RB
Not :) It really only writes "9800" for the max. bitrate to the GOP headers, that's all. It still does perfectly satisfy your real max. bitrate setting. This is also in the CCE manual.

Hrmm...No it does not explicitly state this. What it says is the following:


If DVD compliant is selected, instantaneous bitrate in GOP units is controlled to be a maximum of 9.8 Mbps. During VBR operation, 9.8 Mbps is always written to the sequence header regardless the specified maximum bitrate.


From this I understand that it does set the "real" maximum bitrate to 9800, and always writes 9800 in vbr mode, regardless of the specified bitrate. Then again, I strongly suspect the CCE manual to be written by Japanese people, and it isn't 100% clear. So I may be wrong.

But I thought I actually remembered several people having an issue with buffer overflows when they did select "DVD compliant". So it's probably safer to disable it.

And another thing, according to the manual, it also resizes to 720x480 or 720x576. Would this work if you were to enable the "Resize to half-D1" option? :)

Anyway, I think I'll go try out the fixes of the latest beta now.

-- FMalibu

P.S.: I would have posted this earlier, but the forum seemed to be down :(

[XtremeMaC]

Originally posted by huesage
@XtremeMaC:

Hey, have you read the rest of this thread before asking for things? Check page 9 of this thread for instalation guide with links to all the software you need.

Please read the WHOLE thread before asking questions... Alot of questions are already answered.

Good luck !

sorry I'd normally read, but i'm in a hurry didn't realize this was the 6th page :D

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by Nic
@jdobbs & DMagic1: What DMagic is describing sounds exactly like what happened when my unreleased beta's of ReJig were writing incorrect SCR values. Have you got PowerDVD XP DMagic1? How does seeking work in that? Try seeking to a point and then seeing if PowerDVD seek bar stays at that point....

@all: I've put together a little free MPEG-1/2 Encoder called QuEnc that jdobbs may include into Rebuilder, if any of you feel like testing the quality please do, so that jdobbs can see if it's worth including.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72827
(please keep all posts about QuEnc, in QuEnc's thread)

-Nic

Ok, seeking worked fine with PowerDVD. I'm going to do a different movie to check it again.
Btw, like Mikegun, IFOEdit found some sectors in need of update also.

[jptheripper]

some comments now that its running.

I have been getting frequently cce crashes (1 per titleset, but only in the very small titlesets (i.e. originaly titleset ~8-84mB). Closing the crash allows RB to continue. Im in oneclick mode

In your progress display, instead of "creating m2v for segment 00" it would be more useful to see "creating m2v for vts07_00" or something like that.

I know that the coding would be significant, but I think that allowing for different bitrates on different titlesets is a must. I have coded in the past and would be happy to offer my assistance if possible. What language you working in?

oh and magic, are you saying we should do an ifoedit "get vts sectors" on each ifo after processing?

jp

[DMagic1]

Normally if everything is right IFOEdit doesnt find anything when you do a "Get VTS sectors".

Also noticed that the output movie isnt accepted by Shrink or CloneDVD.

My only real problem is this fastforward/rewind thing.

[jptheripper]

most BIG3 movies arent accepted by shrink, so this isnt a surprise.

Does anyone know a way to manually calculate and where to change the bitrates so I can do a specific average bitrate for a specific title?

without this I am afraid this tool will likely be useless for me

edit:

okay, found in the .ecl where to change passes, so that should be a simple find and replace which should be easy.

Also found the average bitrate code, hmmm this will be hard as there are 420 instances in my particular movie of vbr_brate_avg=*

for example, my movie would cause the average bitrate to be 2360 if i use this tool (quite too low) but could be nearly 50% higher if i could drop the bitrate on the extras

[hypo20]

Originally posted by huesage
@jdobbs:

its actually not a problem in your code, its just a default setting in CCE SP 2.67 to output MPG2 encoded streams as *.MPV, while your program is looking for *.M2V.

Maybe you can add some code to look for one or the other type, so if MPV is present process those, else, process M2V. just a thought.

@ hypo20:

Thanx for the fix, oh and, Im druling over your system setup, i wish i could even come close to affording a dual. must really fly, specially with multiple instances of CCE. Sorry, off topic, ill stop.

I'm happy, I helped. :o) Hope, it will help to others too.
I'm using CCE SP 2.67.0.23 with last eclCCE. Works great.

@huesage
Thanx. Spent looooot of hours in work, to build this baby. :D

[lighty]

@jdobbs
If no source is selected and Prepare button is pressed one cannot Abort running program. If one tries to close Rebuilder then a following message appears "You must ABORT process to end.", but ABORT doesn't do anything. Had to close everything in Task Mannager.

[DMagic1]

3 Movies, and all 3 have that same fast/rewind problem.:(

[hoozdapimp]

This is not really RB related, but I was thinking about getting the new CCE (I'm using 2.5 right now)...is it easy to setup (is it pretty much ready to run right out of the package?), or is there some configuring to be done? Thanks in advance.

[influenza]

This thread is already getting out of hand, by the massive number of replies. Posting questions on how to setup cce is really not appropiate here. Please post any questions in the corresponding forum. thanks

[lighty]

It would be best to open new forum just for DVD-RB so that a different threads might be started. This is getting out of hand. I am affraid to think what will jdobbs make out of this large number of posts...:rolleyes:

[jptheripper]

figured out my issue, cce is crashing everytime it loads a segment that has 1 frame (and my inf file has about 200 of them, for a titleset that is still pictures, and they arent in the ecl)

movie is fast and furious, ntsc, r1

let me know if posting the inf/ecl file would help

again thanx for your labors thus far

[StifflerStealth]

Edit: Updated later in the forum.

[hypo20]

@jdobbs mainly, but all are welcome to read

My few states of mind this evening:

- what about LAYER BREAK removal????? this is important for some standalone players
- what about EMPTY AUDIO POINTER removal?????

JDOBBS, these things are not so important, but it would be nice to have it in your GREAT proggie. :) Everything I'm doing now, 3 steps:

1. Decrypt using DVD DECRYPTER 3.2.1.0
2. Run through DVD Shrink removing all audio and subs that I don't want. This will remove the LAYER BREAK and POINTERS to EMPTY AUDIO streams too. I'm leaving video quality at 100% (or compress menus when too big), so no quality loss.
3. Run DVD Shrink output through DVD-RB.
4. RESULT: Absolutely PERFECT copy with no LAYER BREAK bit and no empty audio streams. Plus, I can remove subtitles.

Call it BIG3 Method v2.0 for example. :D

[Ishan]

Removing subtitles?
What's the point? considering their size, i don't see why so many people do that... :rolleyes:

[hypo20]

Because I want. That's the only reason. Simply I don't wan't to have subtitles, I will never use.

[JvD]

OK, yeserday I tried this app aout with Rejig and it was success from the start. Today i had time to try the CCE-way but had som MAJOR problem getting it to work. First run gave me the two red and yellow stripes in the bottom (like someone before med described). ANd the result was only 1,5GB. In the second tun i couldnt get those AVS-files to work properly. Only error codes about mpeg2source on line 5 or something (like people before me). Tried fresh install on all those apps needed BUT it didnt help. Just to try, i installed the dvd2svcd-bundle and go figure, suddely my avs-files was able to play. BUT the problem is, I cant get it to work the single-click-way. If i choose the 3-cklick-way its allrigt (atleast i think), its working rigt now.
OK, so what is it that I do wrong. Why can it work in one way (3-klick) and not in the other (one-cklick)? I use CCE 2.5 at the moment. Anybody that has experienced this problem (Ive seen some of you have), what did you do? WHat was wrong?

[huesage]

OK,

Im getting really frustrated with the CCE popup thing, I have accidently canceled many passes. not my fault thought, i have to use my PC while it is encoding in the background. Darn space bar !!

Sorry but had to vent, please please ! maybe the author to eclCCE can release a version that starts minimized?

sorry to be a nag, but i cannot properly test this app this way. I keep messing up the encode.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by JvD
OK, yeserday I tried this app aout with Rejig and it was success from the start. Today i had time to try the CCE-way but had som MAJOR problem getting it to work. First run gave me the two red and yellow stripes in the bottom (like someone before med described). ANd the result was only 1,5GB. In the second tun i couldnt get those AVS-files to work properly. Only error codes about mpeg2source on line 5 or something (like people before me). Tried fresh install on all those apps needed BUT it didnt help. Just to try, i installed the dvd2svcd-bundle and go figure, suddely my avs-files was able to play. BUT the problem is, I cant get it to work the single-click-way. If i choose the 3-cklick-way its allrigt (atleast i think), its working rigt now.
OK, so what is it that I do wrong. Why can it work in one way (3-klick) and not in the other (one-cklick)? I use CCE 2.5 at the moment. Anybody that has experienced this problem (Ive seen some of you have), what did you do? WHat was wrong?

Read back several pages. Its been discussed and I and others have posted how to solve the problem.

[JvD]

Originally posted by KungFuCow

For those of you having problems with the red pattern at the bottom of a black screen and undersize DVDs, you need to make sure you have MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in your Avisynth plugin dir and either Resample Audio is check and AddAudio is unchecked (If you're using CCE 2.5, etc) or if you're using CCE 2.67, you need to have Resample Audio unchecked and AddAudio checked (You need the addaudio.avsi script in your /plugin dir for this tho).

OK, thanks! but if I follow that instruction, choose the one-click-option and fire it away it starts running and if i look at some of the produced .avs-files (the first produced) it says in MPC:

Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(DVD:\........\v02000000001001.AVS, line 5)

The AVS-script looks like this!
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_DUMP\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(0,11207)
ConvertToYUY2()
ResampleAudio(44100)

OK, so whats your solution NOW? ;-)

[Xitrum]

Could someone please help me or point out what I did wrong please!

Last night, I tried to use DVD-RB. I installed everything fresh and followed the installation instructions given by Huesage on page 9 of this post, word by word. THE ONLY DIFFERENT IS THAT IS USED CCE V2.67.00.23 instead of v2.5 or 2.66.

After setting up all the paths to point to the correct location and set the correct setting to use CCE 2.66+. I tried the one click option. After DVD-RB finished the preparation phase (about 5 minutes later), it opened up CCE using the eclcce.exe and CCE just sit there, and there was no job listed in the windows. After waiting for about 5 minutes to see if anything happened, I decided to click the Exit button. After that CCE windows closed, another CCE windows popup, with nothing in it, and it keep doing that until it ran out of jobs to do.

The same thing happened when I tried the 3 clicks method.

The interesting thing is that when I looked at the working directory, there was no .M2V file for it to do any work.

Initially, I tried to get it done directly from a mounted ISO image created by DVD Decrypter. Later, I copied all the file to a directory and tried to get it to work from there. In both situation, the same thing happened as I described before.

Did I do something wrong? or is it CCE v2.67.00.23 is not supported by DVD-RB yet? Could someone please help me fix this problem?

[hobgoblin]

First of all, this looks like a very handy tool. It works like a charm for me when I use Rejig, but when it comes to cce I get problems. I have followed the installation guide on page 9 in this thread, and installed avisynth 2.54 and the fix described there.When I use the cce option, the process goes well until cce is about to start encoding. Then I get an error message saying: Cannot open .ecl file. Can someone explain what's wrong, or point me in a direction where I can find some answers? I have read the whole thread, but no'one seems to experience this error.I get the error whether I use cce 2.66 or cce 2.67. When I use 2.50 the program seem to encode files, but in a very rapid fashion. When I check the folder where the files are supposed to be procesed, none is created.
TIA,
hobgoblin

[lab-one]

@hypo20

Call it BIG3 Method v2.0 for example.

I am going to try this too. I really prefer movie only back-up but hate compressing them....

[TheBigDave]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
I had to take a page from the "Big 3" method. Some of you have never used that method by the hints in your posts, so I will try my best to explain.

First, Download the program IFO Update....

StifflerStealth,

Thanks for your input, but it didn't work for me. It created a slightly different problem. If I just hit Play on the menu, the movie would start fine. But if I tried to FF, chapter jump or select a chapter from the menu, it would stop and go back to the main menu.

And again the movie seemed to play fine on the PC with PowerDVD. It only seems to occur on standalone players.

I've used the Big 3 Method and I've used IFOUpdate in the past. The results always work on my standalone players.

I tried to do the same movie a second time with DVDRB v0.16 and the exact same problems occurred.

Are me and DMagic1 the only ones having these types of problems?

[nitroman]

does it support seamless branching ?

[dvdRENEGADE]

Originally posted by dvdRENEGADE
My first attempt at using this app was with Pirates of the Caribbean DVD #2. I used CCE 2.5 with ECLCCE. Everything went smoothly and it created my VIDEO_TS directory which contains my finished backup. However, menu navigation within PowerDVD and WinDVD using the backup is non-existant. I am not able to select anything from the menu. The buttons will not highlight when the mouse is over them. The original works fine. The video .vobs play fine when opened separately within PowerDVD and WinDVD. Puzzled, dvdrenegade

P.S. Thanks for the hard work jdobbs. It's good to see you back at the grind...hehe. This app is looking very promising.

@jdobbs,

My second attempt:
I tried the same DVD again using DVDRB 0.16 and the same menu navigation problem arose. I did the DVD with InstantCopy and it worked flawlessly.
Any ideas?
dvdRENEGADE

[dvdRENEGADE]

Originally posted by nitroman
does it support seamless branching ?

That has been answered in this thread. Try reading the previous posts before blindly asking for help.

[quantum]

As to the seeking problems, I brought it up here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=459670#post459670) yesterday. It's due (at least in part) to the vts_tmapti table not being correctly transferred or updated.

Yesterday I attempted to work around this by hand using ifoupdate but it didn't work. Searching on vts_tmapti will find many threads discussing the issue. We'll have to wait for jdobbs to address it. Hopefully he can figure something out.

[djan]

Originally posted by Paced
Have you placed mpeg2dec3.dll in your AVISynth/plugins directory?

You can download this plugin at http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises -> scroll down to Mpeg2Dec3, and download the version for AVISynth 2.5

Also, you won't need the AddAudio.avsi in .16 Yes, I'm using the Donald Graft version MPEG2Dec3dg.dll and it's in AviSynth plugin directory.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by TheBigDave
StifflerStealth,

Thanks for your input, but it didn't work for me. It created a slightly different problem. If I just hit Play on the menu, the movie would start fine. But if I tried to FF, chapter jump or select a chapter from the menu, it would stop and go back to the main menu.

And again the movie seemed to play fine on the PC with PowerDVD. It only seems to occur on standalone players.

I've used the Big 3 Method and I've used IFOUpdate in the past. The results always work on my standalone players.

I tried to do the same movie a second time with DVDRB v0.16 and the exact same problems occurred.

Are me and DMagic1 the only ones having these types of problems?

That method works for the big 3. I found a way with the DVD-RB files, but I think I might have copied the wrong text file. I have too many tips and tricks on my HD :D. Later on I will look at the files again and correct it. Sorry about that.

Although, those settings that I have listed there are the ones that jdobbs needs to do to make the seek work as well as working in Transcoders. I taking a guess here, but I think jdobbs just merged a great portion of his IFOUpdate code into this new tool, so he needs to copy over the functionality of all those settings.

Stiff

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
At least this is what I did. This may not be too clear, but I'm a Computer Scientist, not an English Major. :)

I had to take a page from the "Big 3" method. Some of you have never used that method by the hints in your posts, so I will try my best to explain.

First, Download the program IFO Update in the Doom9 DL section (link to come later).........

Nope, didn't solve the problem. Thanks for tring.

Hopefully jdobb knows of the problem and has seen it so it can be addressed. Seems a few ppl havent seen this bug yet. If my only DVD player was my Toshiba I would think everything was ok too. Thankfully I have many to test on.

[djan]

Before talking about what RB may add as extra or whatever or talking about BIG3 here and making a big meli-melo, try to help people still always having problem.

I still have problem using RB with CCE 2.50. When making the prepare process, I have only 1.5GB in the directory and I think it's not normal. I have MPEG2Dec3dg.dll installled in the avisynth directory and I have addaudio unchecked and resample checked. I use EclECC 1.7 as the bridge for CCE 2.50. What am I doing wrong ? I don't understand. Please help me. Thx.

[tf]

It might not make a difference, but I use CCE 2.50 too, but with MPEG2Dec3.dll, NOT MPEG2Dec3dg.dll.

Those seeking problems are not seen on my rips, dunno why. But the trick about removing audio pointers and layer break with shrink is neat. I guess jdobbs will do that as well in later versions, but give the man a break. The feedback in here is overwhelming.

-tf

[jdobbs]

Like a few more people are mentioned, it seems that when using CCE SP 2.67 the output files are not *.MPV like CCE SP 2.50 but instead they are *.M2V which might be the reason why 3rd phase will not work, because your code is looking for *.M2V files and not finding them, hence the runtime error and crash. I will try to change settings in CCE SP 2.67 as directed by hypo20 and hope that will take care of the problem.
@huesage,

I don't know how this could be possible. The output filename is written into the .ECL by DVD-RB and should always end with .M2V. The only time you should see a .MPV is when using ReJig.

[jdobbs]

Note to everyone:

I've seen mention of the need for eclCCE... I'd like to remind you that if your version of CCE supports command line processing and .ECL, eclCCE isn't required. Version 2.50 has no command line support, and the "Trial" versions don't support .ECL...

For example, my copy of CCE Basic 2.67 works fine without eclCCE, but I need it for my copy of CCE 2.50.

[jdobbs]

1 other thing I'm trying pirates of carrebean, the movie is 2hrs long it shows 48:32
@XtremeMAC

The numbers you saw are showing your system clock's time at the start of that encode portion. I use it so I can see how long an encode takes when it is unattended.

[jdobbs]

And another thing, according to the manual, it also resizes to 720x480 or 720x576. Would this work if you were to enable the "Resize to half-D1" option?
@fMalibu
When you click "Resize to half-D1" the DVD Compliant flag is turned off -- otherwise you'd end up with a picture in a `"frame"

[jdobbs]

In your progress display, instead of "creating m2v for segment 00" it would be more useful to see "creating m2v for vts07_00" or something like that.
@jptheripper

I agree. I'll fix that.

[jdobbs]

Normally if everything is right IFOEdit doesnt find anything when you do a "Get VTS sectors".

My only real problem is this fastforward/rewind thing.
DMagic,

What kind of player are you using... Early in the authoring coding I ran into a lot of problems with this and thought they were fixed. I tested the output using PowerDVD and three standalones (JVC, Sony, and Apex). There's obviously something wrong with the DVD-RB output, but it seems to only be affecting certain players.

[jdobbs]

for example, my movie would cause the average bitrate to be 2360 if i use this tool (quite too low) but could be nearly 50% higher if i could drop the bitrate on the extras
@jptheripper

That will eventually happen, but not for a while. If you play with the bitrates you need to be very careful and take into consideration the size and complexity of each section you're changing. DVD-R sets that rate based upon it's (very accurate) count of what is needed to get close to the edge of the disc.

[jdobbs]

If no source is selected and Prepare button is pressed one cannot Abort running program. If one tries to close Rebuilder then a following message appears "You must ABORT process to end.", but ABORT doesn't do anything. Had to close everything in Task Mannager.
@lighty
Then don't push "Prepare" with no source... just kidding, that will be fixed in the next version

[djan]

I would like to resolve my problem step by step but it would be nice if anyone can help me. First thing I would like to know is if it is normal that I have only 1,5GB after doing prepare step. I'm using ECC 2.5 with EclECC 1.7.

[jdobbs]

Yesterday I attempted to work around this by hand using ifoupdate but it didn't work. Searching on vts_tmapti will find many threads discussing the issue. We'll have to wait for jdobbs to address it. Hopefully he can figure something out.
Aye Carumba!

I just went into the VTS_TMAPTI and, I'll be damned, it isn't being updated... You can't actually do an IFOUpdate to fix it because the file you're changing IS the newly authored file -- so there's nowhere to get the data.

I think what happened is that I wrote the code to collect the time data, and then never actually got around to writing it to the file -- and then left the code sitting for a while until I forgot about it.

It may be a little work so don't expect that to be completed until this weekend.

NOTE: Most of the time this isn't a problem. As this table isn't used for ff, rw, or chapter moves -- but it is used for direct seeking (like with a computer player and a "position bar") I think I've even seen authoring packages that leave it out. That's the reason it is an option in IFOUpdate (not a requirement).

[jdobbs]

I would like to resolve my problem step by step but it would be nice if anyone can help me. First thing I would like to know is if it is normal that I have only 1,5GB after doing prepare step. I'm using ECC 2.5 with EclECC 1.7.
@djan
Actually that sounds high. In the prepare step (if using CCE) all you are creating is a group of .AVS and .D2V files.

ADDED: I just ran Prepare on a typical DVD and the output was 1.2MB (not GB)

[redfive19]

I just tried Buena Vista Social Club and it encoded it wrong. The original looks interlaced but I get jumpy frames when playing the backup on my TV.
Using: CCE 2.67.00.23 & RB 0.16

Any ideas?

ORIGINAL:
Num. of picture read: 31
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 8501600 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 9
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Interlaced
Notes:


REAUTHORED:
Num. of picture read: 31
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9800000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Interlaced
Notes

[quantum]

What kind of player are you using... Early in the authoring coding I ran into a lot of problems with this and thought they were fixed. I tested the output using PowerDVD and three standalones (JVC, Sony, and Apex). There's obviously something wrong with the DVD-RB output, but it seems to only be affecting certain players.If you use Zoom Player, and click on the timeline to jump to approximately 1/4 into the film, you'll see it jump to 3/4's into the film or lock up, depending on how much the original was compressed. If you use a standalone, use a feature of the standlone to go directly to a specific time (not the chapter buttons), like exactly 1hr into the movie. This should reveal the problem also.

These are all exactly the same symptoms that occur if I author with scenarist but don't transfer the vts_tmapti with ifoupdate.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by jdobbs
DMagic,

What kind of player are you using...

Players that have this problem:

Pioneer DV-C505
Sony DVP-NC600
XBOX v1.1 Thompson Drive
Playstation 2 v4

Only player that worked properly:

Toshiba SD-3109

[jdobbs]

I have to concur with the progressive dvd output problem. I just tried Buena Vista Social Club and it encoded it wrong. The original looks interlaced but I get jumpy frames when playing it on my TV.
@redfive19

Try changing the threshold level in SETUP.


Are the REALLY jumpy, or just kinda jumpy -- REAL jumpy can mean a tff issue

[redfive19]

It's at 70% right now, what should I change it to?

[jdobbs]

If you use Zoom Player, and click on the timeline to jump to approximately 1/4 into the film, you'll see it jump to 3/4's into the film or lock up, depending on how much the original was compressed. If you use a standalone, use a feature of the standlone to go directly to a specific time (not the chapter buttons), like exactly 1hr into the movie. This should reveal the problem also.
Go to the bottom of thread page 13 for the answer -- I screwed the pooch on this one.

[quantum]

Go to the bottom of thread page 13 for the answer -- I screwed the pooch on this one.Ah, sorry, somehow I missed your response. I'm glad you tracked it down and know how to deal with it. I think the right man is on the job :-)

[TheBigDave]

Originally posted by DMagic1
Only player that worked properly:

Toshiba SD-3109

DMagic1,

Did you actually play the DVD all the way through or just spot-test it on the Toshiba? On my Toshiba SD-2805 the movie played fine for a while and then started to hick-up.

In my other Toshiba player (SD-V291), FF just causes the disc to freeze. All I can do then is hit Stop twice and the disc will restart at the beginning.

Anyways, these are the three players I'm having problems on:

Toshiba SD-2805
Toshiba SD-V291
Liteon LVD-2001

[jdobbs]

Actually I thought I typed it after some of my later responses -- I'm not sure how it got back there...

[jdobbs]

In my other Toshiba player (SD-V291), FF just causes the disc to freeze. All I can do then is hit Stop twice and the disc will restart at the beginning.
Almost surely the same problem as I pointed out. I'll fix this as soon as I can.

[jptheripper]

@Jdobbs

thanx so much not only for the time to develop but also for the time you take to respond.

Your tool obviously is in a class of its own.

A few issues

1) i had a problem earlier with an extra that was essentially storyboards (still frames). One titleset, 113 chapters. The resulting info in the .inf file was ~260 1 frame segments (that were not present in the .ecl) all of which individually crashed cce 2.67.0.9 on encoding.

2) I realize the amount of code it will take to allow for variable bitrates per titleset, and realize that this is obviously an endgoal. Would it be possible to export a file with the data you use to calculate the average bitrate? i.e. a .dbf or .txt file with all your variables that are obviously already calculated, , including total menu size, total audio file size, time of each title, etc. This would not only allow for custom bitrates with (somewhat) simple calculations in excel, but would even facilitate extremely low bitrates on credits b/c files are already pieced into parts.


3) as before, assuming you are coding in c++ or vba (or awk, which i also know), i would be happy to assist.

-jp

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@djan
Actually that sounds high. In the prepare step (if using CCE) all you are creating is a group of .AVS and .D2V files.

ADDED: I just ran Prepare on a typical DVD and the output was 1.2MB (not GB) Oops, I'm sorry it was 1.5MB and not GB. Now it works great, CCE is encoding but when I try to watch to a m2v file created, I see black screen with 2 red lines in the bottom. Is it normal ? This is my next step :)

[jdobbs]

Definitely not. You are getting an error message from AVISYNTH. Look back a few pages on this thread. Something is not set up properly.

[djan]

I did what mentioned but nothing to do. There is the error I get when I try to launch a AVS file : Script error : There is no function named "mpeg2source". I'm using Avisynth 2.5.

[jdobbs]

That means that MPEG2DEC.DLL (or one of its derivations) isn't loaded in the Plug-In directory.

[djan]

It was loaded but it's ok, I installed avisynth 2.54 and loaded MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in the plugin directory. Now it works fine. Thx.

[bigskank]

Jdobbs, this looks *really* neat, and I hope you can find a way to keep up with it, as I think there is amazing potential for this.

I was wondering if (at some point) you would consider releasing the source to this under the GnuGPL. I know it's hard to let go of your baby, but I think so many of us could learn a lot from your program. Especially in the states - where there is so much trouble with lockdowns on technology and ideas - something like this could really benefit everybody. I most certainly won't whine if you don't (as giving it away for free is already great)...just a thought. Might also help to cut down on your workload too. :)

[Sounddude]

What size are the final VIDEO_TS most of you are getting using this app? I'm getting 4.27GB and would like to know if there's anything I can change it to make the target size larger. Great app so far! Works fine for me using rejig or CCE.

I'm using CCE 2.50 if that makes a difference in my question.

[Nuhim]

To Jdobbs
Thank for the perfect program!
And items in adjustments CEE " Convert from LB 4:3... "
And " Zoom in... " When will be accessible?

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Note to everyone:

No you don't need DVD2AVI.EXE for this program to run -- but you do need MPEG2DEC3.DLL (one of the versions, I recommend the Donald Graft version).
OK, thanks for the clarification. But, is your D2V file generation compatible/equal to the fixed D2V file generation that Neuron2 implemented in his version of DVD2AVI (no skipping of initial B-Frames, no frame loss at the end)? Because in the readme.txt in the Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll source code package, he added a commentThis version must be used with an appropriately modified DVD2AVI
version, for example, DVD2AVI 1.77.3dg
If so, you must not only recommend but require Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll because older versions cannot correctly decode a starting IBBP... GOP. This might explain why some people get crashes in CCE. IIRC older versions of Mpeg2Dec3.dll also crashed when the D2V had just a single I-Frame (still picture), some people reported this in this thread, guess they were not using Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll.

Originally posted by RB
OK, so I have noticed that you are encoding every cell in a separate AVS. If at all possible, please consider changing this so that as many as possible adjacent cells are combined into one AVS. This will guarantee the best possible results because VBR has a bigger range to work with and can distribute bitrate in a more efficient way. Just consider a worst-case scenario: let's say we have a movie with 20 cells where all cells contain fairly low-motion, "easy" video except for one cell which contains the big showdown with lots of fire, fast motion etc. Now CCE will actually waste bitrate in 19 cells that would have been better allocated to the "showdown cell". I think this is quite an important issue and not too hard to implement. Just scan the big MPV and grab the packets you need for every cell. Of course you'll need to add a proper chapter (I-Frame) list to the ECL.

It just occured to me that this would rule out CCE-Basic because it does not support I-Frame lists in the ECL. OK, if this is a problem or you simply don't have the time to implement different code paths, consider an "encoding plugin" interface. The interface would simply be you calling an external executable and passing the D2VAVS directory as an argument. The executable would then be responsible for generating the M2V/MPV files you expect. One could then write a plugin that encodes as many AVS files as possible "joined" and then splits the M2V/MPV files into the chunks that your app expects.

[joaoccc]

Hello

i'm trying to use rb 0.16, but when i click rebuild it begins rebuilding the vobs but at a certain point it give me the error
"Run time errror "9""
"Subscript out of range"

Thanks

[john33]

Originally posted by joaoccc
Hello

i'm trying to use rb 0.16, but when i click rebuild it begins rebuilding the vobs but at a certain point it give me the error
"Run time errror "9""
"Subscript out of range"

Thanks
I have exactly the same problem. It finishes rebuilding the main title and then I get this same error message.

[hypo20]

@joaoccc & john33

Read older posts before asking!

It is multiangle DVD??? I have this problem with multiangles DVD's (like Matrix) and DVD-RB is not supporting multiangle DVD's at the moment. That's the reason for that error.

Non-multiangle DVD's are working perfectly to me.

[robw]

So far I have not been successful with this program. I get the same error message as discussed in previous message. My video's are empty except for a red bar. The total size of the rebuild VIDEO_TS folder is only about 1.5 GB.

Similar problems occured early in the development of DVD2DVD-R. I recall the author finally traced it back to an issue with MPEG2DEC3 and only occured with NTSC film (not PAL)-- the solution chosen was to use MPEGdecoder for NTSC

[tf]

I think there is a connection between what versions of the programs/plugins you use and the ending results. Well, of course there is, but I mean, my own setup has done 5 attempts in DVD ReBuilder, and all have worked flawlessly on my Pioneer DV343.

Here is the combination I use:

DVD ReBuilder V0.16
CCE SP V2.50
EclCCE V1.7
AviSynth V2.54
MPEG2Dec3.dll OR MPEG2Dec3dg.dll (have tried both, working fine)

I haven't used the one-click mode yet, but I can't see why that shouldn't work, since the three-click mode has worked fine so far.

Already DVD ReBuilder has become my prime choice for backing up DVDs.

Rip DVD with DVDStripper, remove the clips you don't want. Remove layerbreak and unwanted audio tracks with DVDShrink. Then reencode with DVD ReBuilder, edit menus with MenuEdit, and you've got a great backup.

-tf

[robw]

I am using all the same software and it doesn't work for me. Have tried many variations.

[StifflerStealth]

For those having trouble with "red bar" thing see if this helps.

Download this file: Mpeg2dec3DG (http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/files/decodefix100.zip). If you already have this file, then the rest may not be helpful.

Extract it in DVD-RB directory or in you AVIsynth plugins directory. Your choice. Delete Mpeg2dec3.dll if you have it if you put Mpeg2DecDG.dll in you avisynth pluging directory.

Then edit the very first AVS file DVD-RB made after the Step 1 (mine is V01000000001001.AVS, and insert the line LoadPlugin("X:\Path\To\mpeg2dec3dg.dll") right before the line that has Mpeg2Source("X:\Path\to\some D2V file).

Start step 2: encoding. When the first file is done encoding (V01000000001001.M2V or .MPV in my case, depending on your settings) open it up in a software DVD player. If the red stuff is gone, add that line to every single AVS file.

This is what I have. I'm using CCE SP v2.67.00.23 Full. Full meaning that it has ecl support and all that because it's not the trial version. The video that is produced does not have any of the Red stuff people have been talking about. I have know idea if this will work. I am all out of suggestions if it doesn't.

Stiff

Disclaimer: I cannot reprodce that red bar, so I cannot garuentee this will work.

[buzzqw]

run regedit and search for
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Avisynth\plugindir2_5

this is your avisynth dir.

unzip decodefix.zip into this dir

Not so complicated !:sly:

BHH

[StifflerStealth]

Although, if you do not have that proggie installed....

@jdobbs: Since DVD-RB does not need AVISynth, can you support having the Mpeg2Dec3DG.dll in the DVD-RB folder. Maybe in a sub dir called plugins or something. Then the AddAudio support can go in that directory as well.

Also @jdobbs: Your program does a better job at scanning files than DVD2VI or whatever DIF4U uses. Your program detected that the video I had was 23.976 FPS whereas DIF4U on CellID demux said that some cells where 29.97 and others were 23.976 in the same VTS and even the same VobID. I might have a setting wrong in DIF4U, but your program on the defaults scanned them correctly. Keep up the good work.

Stiff

[robw]

Stiff

your experiment to manually load the plugin to the avs file and then encode works. So this is obviously the problem ... for some reason my mpeg2dec3 is not getting loaded. I will search the registry.

Thanks for your help

[robw]

buzzqw

thanks man. My HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Avisynth\plugindir2_5 was not pointing to the right subdirectory.

[StifflerStealth]

@robw: Congrats! Don't feel bad about manually editing all the AVS files. I did that with a movie to add Telecine(), Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll, and AddAudio support. Then I edited the Rebuilder.ecl file to give me four pass vbr for the main movie at a higher bitrate, and 6 passes for extras at 1850. 1850 is a nice number for extras. If you have CCE Basic you do not need to edit the ECL file.

Stiff

[DrChair]

@jdobbs

Here's a couple of bugs i've encountered (in v0.16) :

* After entering the source-path, dvd-rb analyses video_ts.ifo, where (in my opinion) it should analyse all the vts_**_0.ifo files

* when a vts contains stills (for example a vts with warnings in different languages), something goes wrong.
On the vts i have here (containing 6 stills, 15 seconds each), ifoedit reports 2250 frames (6*15sec*25fps), but the .d2v dvd-rb creates only has 6 frames.
Thus the resulting .m2v is way too small, which results in a "Runtime error '9': Subscript out of range" during the rebuilding stage...

I think dvd-rb should leave a vts smaller than a couple of MB's alone (mine was 4.3 MB), and just copy the source. Atleast that's what I did to solve the problem. (it was the last vts that gave the problem, so the rest of the dvd was already build)

* The resulting VIDEO_TS folder contains 4,71 GB, so it's too big to burn. It might be a coincidence, but that's almost the size of a dvdr in "japanese GB's"

* Changing the number of passes after preparing, doesn't have any effect (cause the .ecl is already written)

Otherwise the result looks much better than i'd expected with an average bitrate of 2581...

[tf]

I had a movie with LOADS of stillpics with warning messages. 18 different languages. That was not problem for DVD ReBuilder, and that was even with 0.15. However, I usually select to remove such messages altogether with DVDStripper. Not because it saves space, but because it saves me from having to watch them :-)

-tf

[StifflerStealth]

I kinda cheated a little to change the bitrate and number of passes, but it worked. Also, I tell it not to re-encode any PGC that totals 100MB or less, so I don't run into the issue you have with stills.

Personal note: I use 100MB as the cut off limit, because the space gained by recompression is not worth the time that it takes to recompress it. I noticed that some people use 200MB or even 300Mb as the cut off limit.

I do agree with DrChair about having a cut off limit.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

@Sounddude
What size are the final VIDEO_TS most of you are getting using this app? I'm getting 4.27GB and would like to know if there's anything I can change it to make the target size larger. Great app so far! Works fine for me using rejig or CCE.I use a value internally that is equal to a fully populated DVD. I then subtract the portion of the DVD that will remain unchanged (like menus, audio, and subpictures) -- I then calculate a bitrate that will fill the remaining.

@RB
OK, thanks for the clarification. But, is your D2V file generation compatible/equal to the fixed D2V file generation that Neuron2 implemented in his version of DVD2AVI (no skipping of initial B-Frames, no frame loss at the end)?You are absolutely right. I was following the thread in which Neuron2 was making the changes (coincidentally while I was working that part of DVD-RB) and I kept my code updated as well.

@DrChair
* After entering the source-path, dvd-rb analyses video_ts.ifo, where (in my opinion) it should analyse all the vts_**_0.ifo files DVD-RB doesn't use the video_ts.ifo it currently gets its information from individual IFOs.
* when a vts contains stills (for example a vts with warnings in different languages), something goes wrong.On the vts i have here (containing 6 stills, 15 seconds each), ifoedit reports 2250 frames (6*15sec*25fps), but the .d2v dvd-rb creates only has 6 frames.
Thus the resulting .m2v is way too small, which results in a "Runtime error '9': Subscript out of range" during the rebuilding stage...Good info!! This is probably the source of all of these "Runtime Error 9" problems!!! I think what I need to do (as suggested earlier) is just leave the stills intact -- as reencoding really saves almost nothing... I'll see if I can add that in this weekend.
* The resulting VIDEO_TS folder contains 4,71 GB, so it's too big to burn. It might be a coincidence, but that's almost the size of a dvdr in "japanese GB's" As I mentioned above, it calculates based on standard DVD-R size -- larger results shouldn't be possible unless CCE encodes at the wrong bitrate (which I've never seen it do). Don't know what to say on this one.
* Changing the number of passes after preparing, doesn't have any effect (cause the .ecl is already written) True. I guess I need to make that known.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by DrChair
* Changing the number of passes after preparing, doesn't have any effect (cause the .ecl is already written)

Otherwise the result looks much better than i'd expected with an average bitrate of 2581... [/B]

It works if you break the massive ecl file up into smaller ecl files called, say: V01000000001001.ecl, V01000100001002.ecl, ... Then make the nessecary changes, and load them into CCE by creating projects out of them and having them queued in CCE itself. :) Granted, that is a ton of work, but at least I increased the main movie bitrate, and the extras run at 6 pass.

This is what I ment by cheating a little.

Stiff

[DrChair]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@DrChair
DVD-RB doesn't use the video_ts.ifo it currently gets its information from individual IFOs.


This is strange then...

VTS_01_0.ifo has 4 audio streams (all 2ch AC3)

According to VIDEO_TS.ifo, vts1 has 8 audio streams. The 4 from vts_01.0.ifo and 4 additional english 6ch AC3's.

So if dvd-rb uses the individual ifo's, the "Audio streams to keep"-dialog should only show 4 audio-streams for vts1.
But doesn't... It shows 8 audio-streams (like the info in video_ts.ifo)

Hence my conclusion that you use video_ts.ifo for the info...

[toolman2k]

hi! this is great development going on here :) finally a tool that uses cce :)

anyway,

does your tool only encode the video or also menu's ? tools like instantcopy and dvdsrhink also compress the menu and/or strip languages which is very handy. lately more and more menu vobs are really big like 500mb+ some even around 1gb!

would be nice to have this built in the tool also, so we dont have to use other tools to strip/compress menus :)

also, would there be a way to auto remove the buttons for audio/subs/clips that are removed ?

[jptheripper]

@stifflerstealth

thanx for all your insight. Could you please tell me the method you used to calculate the bitrate for the main movie after assigning a bitrate of 1850 to the extras in the .ecl? this is exactly what i want to do.

@jdobbs

Again we all appreciate te work you are putting in. The still issue I am sure could be solved in 2 ways, 1 by scanning the ifo and identifying stills and copying, the other by setting a threshold by which nothing less than a pasrticular size is compressed. I am sure you though of that already.

I think your dvd is smaller than the dvdr, as i tried RB on a dvd5 and it said i needed 99% compression. Are you rounding this value? if so I might sneak out a bit more if you float it to a decimal or 2.

@jdobbs or stifflerstealh

At the end of the "prepare" stage, the .inf is built with the reduction values listed. Is this just a summary file or is it used? I ask because If I edit the .ecl and hit encode I want to ensure the edited values will be used.

Also can someone explain the addaudio() and resampleaudio for the .avs? or these needed ever if I am preserving the existing audio?

again thanx in advance, and sorry for the longwinded questions

-jp

[StifflerStealth]

@jdobbs: I hope you don't mind me posting this. If you do, let me know and I'll erase the contents.

Originally posted by jptheripper
@stifflerstealth

thanx for all your insight. Could you please tell me the method you used to calculate the bitrate for the main movie after assigning a bitrate of 1850 to the extras in the .ecl? this is exactly what i want to do.


This is what I do. It takes a lot of HD space, though. I've been using DoItFast4U (DIF4U) for a long while now, so I am most comfortable with that program, and quite frankly it has really good bitrate calculations. DVD-RB is the only other program I've used for CCE that has bitrate calculation as good as DIF4U, so my hats off to both Eyes and Jdobbs.

With that out of the way. Install DIF4U, unless you have it already, and configure it (Offical help fourm (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=66)). There are more in depth guides on how to configure it, so I will give the basics of what I have. In the Mandatory section I have 1850 for Bitrate for extras, and 100 for Min. MB to Demux.

The view for DVD structure will show all the VTS's if there are any that are unchecked, it is because they are 100 MB or less.

Next, highlight the first checked VTS (the line by the plus or minus not the individual PGC) and make sure that "Create folder for this VTS" (under the working directory on the far left) is checked and also that CellID is checked. You need to do that for each VTS that is checked. Don't uncheck any audio or sub file because you need those to make the calculation accurate.

Take note at which VTS's are unchecked. Then hit the "Do It!" button.

Like I said, check the guides for better configuration.

When the files are demuxed, there will be a CCEdata.txt file, and a REJIGdata.txt file in the Working directory. I always use C:\DVDRecode" as the working directory.

Open the CCEdata.txt file, you will see a bunch of lines that look like: "Some\Path\file.avs",number1, number2, number3,number4,number5.

Num1 is the min vbr rate, num2 is the max vbr rate, and num3 is the average vbr rate.

The name of the avs file is different. It like: VTS__01_V001C001.P16~9_1.nopull.AVS. or simimilar, but you get the idea. It should be easy enough to translate these names to DVD-RB names in your head. Make sure you look at this list carefully, because if a cell that is really short will not be included in it because CCE cannot handle videos that are really small, so you might want to print this file.

Now creat you individual ecl files for the cells listed in the CCEdata.txt file. Use Num3 (avg bitrate) in the place of the one listed. Also, change your VBR pass number to what you want. Load them into CCE under the file menu or in eclCCE.

or you can load up the avs file in BatchCCE and make the corrections, but only load the avs sripts for cells listed in CCEdata.

EDIT: To clear things up, I am talking about the avs and ecl files that were created by DVD-RB. You need to look at the list of cells in CCEdata.txt, and figure out what DVD-RB cell it's refering to.

Remember how I told you to take note of the VTS's that were not checked? Well, back in DIF4U, check all the VTS that were uncheck, and uncheck all the VTS that were checked. Then select the same options as before for all the checked VTS's. Here you can uncheck the audio and subs to make it go faster. the press the "Do It!" button. You don't need to use DIF4U on this step if you want to configure DVD Decypter to extrack the video files by cellid by hand.

Now move all the cells that were not encode by CCE to the DVD-RB working Dir: the cells from the last step, and the ones that have the -nocce flag on them from the first time you demuxed. Next, rename all the files to the name DVD-RB expects. Then, Step three.

I tried to make this breif. The are a number of grammer errors, I know. This guide will be useless when jdobbs implements this functionality, when ever that is.

Stiff

[jptheripper]

thanxfor taking the time to explain all that

I assume if all titlesets are encoded then this is a much easier task as there is no need to copy files over, we are just changing the editing settings in the ecl file.

Any insight on the .inf file?

[SteveV]

Last night i did a first try with 0.16 and i have to say it looks amazing.I did a rip of Piano, i took out all audio except english 5.1 coz if i left in DTS bitrate would be to low.
After a few hours decoding and rebuilding its perfect except for the fact that the bitrate could be even higher if i had the option to take out some trailers/extra`s.
I want to congratulate the coder with an amazing product and i cant wait for the next versions.
Using CCE 2.50 btw.
Thx jdobbs keep on coding :)

Hmm forgot to mention that i burned it and i can fast forward etc with it np.

[StifflerStealth]

I haven't actually looked at the inf file yet. I assumed everything in there was the setting for the program itself.

The method I posted for doing CCE on your own is kinda convoluted, huh? :D

Stiff

[jptheripper]

you might want to use something such as titlesetblanker or dvdstripper to remove extras first, then run rebuilder.

just a thought

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jptheripper
Also can someone explain the addaudio() and resampleaudio for the .avs? or these needed ever if I am preserving the existing audio?
-jp

These are used to workaround a bug in CCE. If the .avs file does not have audio it can cause problems in CCE. In earlier versions (2.5 and below) the program will crash on AMD systems. In newer versions it causes a significant memory leak.

ResampleAudio(44100) was a solution in older versions of AviSynth because it exploited a bug in the function that added a blank mono audio track to the output if no audio was present. That bug has since been fixed. AddAudio() is basically a macro function that does the same thing. It is useful for editing clips by hand, but a program like this could just as easily use the 'long version' for compatibility.

AddAudio() = AudioDub( last , BlankClip() )

[jptheripper]

thanx for that info about the audio, i guess i should add the add audio back in.

@stiffler,
convuluted to say the least, but thank you for taking the time. I love the potential of this program. Especially like the fact that it breaks the titles into chapters, allows for easy assigning of bitrates to credits, etc.

Question, in the dvd spec is there a minimum bitrate? i.e. if i set the credits chapter to a bitrate of 1 (guessing 0 would not work) would this make super crappy credits that take no space and allow for preservation of the dvd structure?

:)

Off to figure an easier way to calculate the bitrates for the .ecl file, im a self ordained excel guru, just gotta fgure the formula. Actually, now that I think of it, the .inf file has everything we need. Given the bitrate assigned in RB, we can back-calculate the total file size of the video to be encoded
jdobbs if you could just add the total GB of the video portion this would make this much easier)
Then using the frame rate code (1 is 23.976 and 4 is 29.97 right?) we could differentially calculate bitrates for each segment quite quickly.

ahh.. this is fun

[redfive19]

@jdobbs

Sorry to bug you, but what should I set my Film Threshold to, it's at 70% now. I had the problem with a jumpy picture on my CCE encode.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by jptheripper
thanx for that info about the audio, i guess i should add the add audio back in.

@stiffler,
Question, in the dvd spec is there a minimum bitrate? i.e. if i set the credits chapter to a bitrate of 1 (guessing 0 would not work) would this make super crappy credits that take no space and allow for preservation of the dvd structure?

.
.
.

this is fun


If you look at the big Rebuilder.ecl file that DVD-RB creates, you will notice that it sets the vbr min rate to "0". I would set the credits with an avg vbr bitrate of 1850 and a max vbr bitrate of 2500

Yes this is fun! I like tearing a movie to peices because it's easier to find easter eggs. I found several so far. Then I back track to figure out how to activate them in the menus and such.

Stiff

[jptheripper]

I was actually thinking that in long movies it might be of value to set the average bitrate dynamically by chapter (specifically, main movie to 3000+ and credits to 1 or whatever) to sneak out extra bits, especially if the credits are long. I am working on the excel spreadsheet that will autocalculate the values for bitrates for you based on the RB output.

man jdobbs you really opened a can of worms, THANK YOU

[PurpleMan]

I have yet to use the program myself, but I did manage to scroll and read this entire thread. And from what I pick up, A few comments/questions to the author:

1) Do you think it's wise to encode cells seperatley? I mean, sure, it helps you keep the original cell/vob ID structures when rebuilding the output, but by doing so you're losing the advantages of VBR encoding since it's ineffective on small segments.

2) I think that your source detection (.d2v creation) algorithm needs tons of work. You can't use a general setting to all VTS sets. Most DVD discs have mixed content framewise. For instance: Main movie (Progressive FILM - will need pulldown), special feature: TV-Spot (Interlaced 29.97i - decomb should be used), etc. Eyes`Only's source preparations algorithms from DoItFast4U are brilliant - it detects properly everything, even field orders, and writes the AVS accordingly. You should consider talking to him about it, or you could correct me if the abovementioned is incorrect.

3) An interface where you could set compression ratios to each titleset seperately, as people mentioned, is obviously a neccesity. However I did gather it's your final goal. So we'll see :)

Other than that, I'd like to thank you for the initiative you took, which is obviously a step towards the right direction for the DVD backup community.

PurpleMan.

[djan]

Originally posted by PurpleMan

1) Do you think it's wise to encode cells seperatley? I mean, sure, it helps you keep the original cell/vob ID structures when rebuilding the output, but by doing so you're losing the advantages of VBR encoding since it's ineffective on small segments.

It's exactly what I wanted to talk about. It would be much better if the vbr is applied to the entire movie. With small cells or plainty high-motion cells, the vbr doesn't make its good work.

Anyway, again thx for this great program, I'll donate as soon as paypal is ready for Europe.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by PurpleMan
2) I think that your source detection (.d2v creation) algorithm needs tons of work. You can't use a general setting to all VTS sets. Most DVD discs have mixed content framewise. For instance: Main movie (Progressive FILM - will need pulldown), special feature: TV-Spot (Interlaced 29.97i - decomb should be used), etc. Eyes`Only's source preparations algorithms from DoItFast4U are brilliant - it detects properly everything, even field orders, and writes the AVS accordingly. You should consider talking to him about it, or you could correct me if the abovementioned is incorrect.

If you have a MPEG-2 that is flagged interlaced, and truly is interlaced, and your aim is to backup or reproduce this DVD, why would you not include the original field format? I am confused as to why we would use Decomb unless we are truly IVTCing...

[jdobbs]

@toolman2k
does your tool only encode the video or also menu's ? tools like instantcopy and dvdsrhink also compress the menu and/or strip languages which is very handy. lately more and more menu vobs are really big like 500mb+ some even around 1gb! True enough. Right now menus are not supported, I decided to release the beta before working on that, but I can see it in a future version.

Also, for those who have mentioned it -- I will take a look this weekend and see how hard it would be to set different bitrates/passes for the main movie and extras. I may even add the ability to make the extras half-d1. The workload is getting a little rich, though, so don't take this as a promise

[PurpleMan]

If you have a MPEG-2 that is flagged interlaced, and truly is interlaced, and your aim is to backup or reproduce this DVD, why would you not include the original field format? I am confused as to why we would use Decomb unless we are truly IVTCing...


To enhance performance on HDTV's, for instance. Progressive should always be a goal. But even when neglecting this option, don't forget about the option that main movie is FILM, and an extra feature is a FILM with PULLDOWN hardcoded as 29.97, where IVTC is needed + a progressive flag.

The bottom line, each D2V needs to be detected as for the best method to use for its encode in similar to what DoItFast4U does.

PurpleMan.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by PurpleMan
1) Do you think it's wise to encode cells seperatley? I mean, sure, it helps you keep the original cell/vob ID structures when rebuilding the output, but by doing so you're losing the advantages of VBR encoding since it's ineffective on small segments.
[/B]

I'm not the author, but I will give a shot at this.

In DVDs, chapter points are always at the start of a new cell. The start of a Cell must always fall on an I-Frame of a GOP sequence. If you have the entire movie as one large video, CCE will change where the I-Frames are, thus changing the position you can have a chapter point. One-click transcoders do not change the GOP at all, hence, you don't have issuses. You can tell CCE where you would like an I-Frame, but usually it's off up to 10 frames (that's the max I've seen it off at least). By breaking the video file into cells you are basically forcing I-Frames in the exact spot you need them.

I actually thought about making a One-click CCE utility, and then I saw this thread. I did think a lot of all the features I needed. None-the-less, I can up with the fact that a one-click CCE Util needs to back up by Cells. It is the only way. Yes you do sacrafice the beautiful nature of VBR, but you can encode each cell with a different bitrate.

TMPGEnc can keep the original GOP as the original file. You can even hand pick a bitrate for each frame of the movie, but I don't think the quality is as good as CCE.

Hope this answers your question and then some.

Stiff

[PurpleMan]

In DVDs, chapter points are always at the start of a new cell. The start of a Cell must always fall on an I-Frame of a GOP sequence. If you have the entire movie as one large video, CCE will change where the I-Frames are, thus changing the position you can have a chapter point. One-click transcoders do not change the GOP at all, hence, you don't have issuses. You can tell CCE where you would like an I-Frame, but usually it's off up to 10 frames (that's the max I've seen it off at least). By breaking the video file into cells you are basically forcing I-Frames in the exact spot you need them.


Yes, I know all that. obviously that's why I said that I know that it's used to help keep the original DVD structure.
But in which case, this program is rather futile as it claims to achieve quality, which it clearly does not in comparison to BIG3 method, and in some cases, in comparison to transcoders. If you take a cell that is a fast action scene (a car chase or such), and try to encode it seperatley at a bitrate of 2350kbit/sec, the result will be inferior to a DVD-Shrink equivalent project.

We obviously needs to achieve a way to control the GOP structure of an encoded MPEG2 file. But I do not think that this is the way.
It ain't a new suggestions either. That's what NUMENU4U uses to keep the structure of menus.

[jdobbs]

@Purpleman
1) Do you think it's wise to encode cells seperatley? I mean, sure, it helps you keep the original cell/vob ID structures when rebuilding the output, but by doing so you're losing the advantages of VBR encoding since it's ineffective on small segments.The effect is minimal. Your statement would only hold true for exceptionally small clips. But, my testing shows that once you are at the frame-count level associated with a typical cell, you pretty much get equivalent results to VBR on an entire stream. But -- one of the reasons I made the .ECL and .AVS files available is so people can play...

My goal is to make this as friendly as possible to people (like me) who want to tinker. Also to those folks, you might note that if you change values in the .ECL file, you can still use the automated (Encode and rebuild) functions. DVD-RB takes the single massive .ECL and pulls file sections individually into a temporary .ECL during encoding. That's because of the well-known memory problems associated with loading large groups of files in one encode session.

2) I think that your source detection (.d2v creation) algorithm needs tons of work. You can't use a general setting to all VTS sets. Most DVD discs have mixed content framewise. For instance: Main movie (Progressive FILM - will need pulldown), special feature: TV-Spot (Interlaced 29.97i - decomb should be used), etc. Eyes`Only's source preparations algorithms from DoItFast4U are brilliant - it detects properly everything, even field orders, and writes the AVS accordingly. You should consider talking to him about it, or you could correct me if the abovementioned is incorrect.I don't make a general setting for all VTS sets. DVD-RB analyzes each cell separately and determines whether is should or should not need pulldown. Then pulldown is automatically applied when appropriate during rebuild. One of the advantages of doing my own scan (instead of calling DVD2AVI) is that I actually get to see all the GOP and frame flags myself.

[quantum]

@jdobbs
Can you explain a little about how dvdrb determines and breaks up clips? When an ntsc extra has mixed telecided and interlaced video is it broken when there is a change from one to the other?

Are you using the patterns in the d2v file to determine telecided / interlaced?

Is TFF and BFF examined and set automatically?

From my experience with CCE, getting these right can be very difficult, and problems may only manifest on a relatively small percentage of titles, where jerky frames can appear at sporadic points. I'm hoping you've exercised some brilliance and figured this stuff out so it works 100% :-)

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by PurpleMan
Yes, I know all that. obviously that's why I said that I know that it's used to help keep the original DVD structure.
But in which case, this program is rather futile as it claims to achieve quality, which it clearly does not in comparison to BIG3 method, and in some cases, in comparison to transcoders. If you take a cell that is a fast action scene (a car chase or such), and try to encode it seperatley at a bitrate of 2350kbit/sec, the result will be inferior to a DVD-Shrink equivalent project.

We obviously needs to achieve a way to control the GOP structure of an encoded MPEG2 file. But I do not think that this is the way.
It ain't a new suggestions either. That's what NUMENU4U uses to keep the structure of menus.

I did play around with a way to force the GOP structure in CCE. It's a bit of a lengthly process. This is what I did:

I extracted the entire video file of one PGC. I opened IFO Edit and used the tool "File->Check m2v file". I selected the demuxed file and saved the txt file. This tool ouputs the entire GOP structure of a video. If you look at the IBBP stuff is not all the same length, and the Bs and Ps don't always follow the same pattern. Anyways, I worte a cheap and dirty program to get the I frames out of that file and convert them to frame numbers that BatchCCE supports. I opened the video file in BCCE and imported the chapters. One lone mother of a list. This basically forced CCE to follow the Same GOP, except for the fact that the Bs and Ps would not follow the order, but who cares about them. Since this list forced the same GOP length the chpaters worked out perfectly in DVD Maestro. I used IFOUpdate to get the Adjusted mode Chaptes. I mean they fell right on the money. I think I got lucky on this. I only encoded one small PGC with 8 Cells and a total length of 44min 10secs. I need to do more testing to see if other video files will fall right on the money.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

But in which case, this program is rather futile as it claims to achieve quality, which it clearly does not in comparison to BIG3 method, and in some cases, in comparison to transcoders. If you take a cell that is a fast action scene (a car chase or such), and try to encode it seperatley at a bitrate of 2350kbit/sec, the result will be inferior to a DVD-Shrink equivalent project.Rather futile? That's a little harsh, don't you think? I'm also not in competition with the Big-3 method, nor do I intend to be. I've worked closely with Eyes-Only in the past and as you may recall, one of my tools are a part of that method as well.

[hypo20]

@jdobbs

Again. THANKS FOR THIS PROGGIE.

Tested on LOTR2 with all audio and subs and the picture is better as with any other SW with only one audio lang. :) CCE is CCE. :)

[quantum]

But in which case, this program is rather futile as it claims This is rash of improperly drawn conclusions, especially considering the program has been out in beta for only 4 days.

[Rombaldi]

@jdobbs

I must add to the chorus of cheers for this tool. Absolutely amazing work in such a short time.

as far as your future efforts on this..

- being able to set a specific VTS to half D1 (ie. for extras) would be brilliant, as would being able to specify a given bitrate/pass count per VTS.

- I'm lusting over that "4:3 LB to 16:9" option. I've got more than a coupla of discs I would like to pass that thru (some are plain DVD5 so compression isn't an issue, the anamorphizing (word?) is". obviously being able to set this on a VTS basis is required (ie, main movie 4:3LB>16:9, extras could be real 4:3 full frame, not good to chop them eh?)

- One thing that I haven't heard people speak of yet (perhaps with good reason).. PAL > NTSC, NTSC > PAL conversion??? [ducks and runs for cover]

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant...

[jdobbs]

@Quantum
Can you explain a little about how dvdrb determines and breaks up clips? When an ntsc extra has mixed telecided and interlaced video is it broken when there is a change from one to the other? Kinda, sorta. I break out based upon VOBID/CELLID. For telecining I look at the flags and count the RFFs -- I then use the threshold value set in SETUP to determine (at the cell level) which .D2V to use (I create two, one at 29.97fps and one at 23.976) and whether to apply pulldown on rebuild.

ADDED: I want to be careful about the CELL level part -- there are times when I can break out at a sub-cell level, but that is only for support of VOB/CELL interleaving.

[RB]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
I did play around with a way to force the GOP structure in CCE. It's a bit of a lengthly process. This is what I did:
Huh? :) The beauty of DVD-RB is that it does not require an identical GOP structure. Though DVD-RB encodes at the cell level, the re-encoded cells will have a different GOP structure already and as you know, DVD-RB muxes this back just fine.

What we want is the ability to encode the many AVSes as a big one, setting I-Frames at the cell boundaries. That would ensure that jdobbs could break out cells from the big MPV.

[PurpleMan]

Rather futile? That's a little harsh, don't you think? I'm also not in competition with the Big-3 method, nor do I intend to be. I've worked closely with Eyes-Only in the past and as you may recall, one of my tools are a part of that method as well.


Well, what is the point of using CCE if you are forced to use segments? a thing that we tried to avoid so many times when trying to achieve 1-click-backup-solutions that'll use CCE.

I might've been a little harsh with that statement and I apologize.

I guess I just expected a breakthrough in DVD backup or hoped you figured out a way to make CCE follow a GOP structure and got disappointed when I saw it's just the same old workaround which I personally (but that's just me) find inappropriate for quality backups. It might be suitable for others.

In any way, any contribution to the DVD backup scene is greatly appreciated. Hence, so are you. Sorry if I unwillingly implied otherwise.

PurpleMan.

EDIT:

p.s.


<FMalibu> I already suggested in an earlier post to set the bitrate for each cell proportionally to the original size of the cell


Would be an excellent idea to override the quality loss in the current state of the program.

[robw]

Hello

Just want to confirm that I am getting the same error reported by Quantum back on page 9 of this string.

I have my DVD mounted from an ISO using Daemon Manager v3.44. When I process the file under DVDRB the first two stages go as expected. Then on third stage, Rebuild, I have an error. The VIDEO_TS folder is produced and a number of files are created quickly. Then I get a

Run-time error '75'
Path/File access error

I copied the VIDEO_TS from the Daemon Manager to a hard disk subdirectory and reset the source to point to this VIDEO_TS in DVDRB. Then after pressing Rebuild all goes well.

Seems that DVDRB is trying to get write access to the Daemon Manager, which of course is not allowed for the virtual drive.

[quantum]

Just want to confirm that I am getting the same error reported by Quantum back on page 9I should add I don't think this happens every time. I'm pretty sure I've done some disks from iso mounted drives that worked, so maybe it's happening only with certain disks.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by RB
Huh? :) The beauty of DVD-RB is that it does not require an identical GOP structure. Though DVD-RB encodes at the cell level, the re-encoded cells will have a different GOP structure already and as you know, DVD-RB muxes this back just fine.

What we want is the ability to encode the many AVSes as a big one, setting I-Frames at the cell boundaries. That would ensure that jdobbs could break out cells from the big MPV.

@RB: First, forgive me for not being clear. I type ahead of my brain sometimes :). PurpleMan (Edit: I originally had PurpleRain there) was asking about encoding video files by the entire video instead of by cells. I replied about an experiment I did that was completely un-related to DVD-RB. I took the video from an entire video, and not on the cells. I used one PGC just to make the video file smaller (44minutes 10 seconds). Then I used IFO Edit and a program I wrote to convert the GOP to frames based on the location os I-Frames. I used cell times generated from IFOUpdate in DVD Maestro, and it worked without complaining about I-Frames.

I think is just as confusing as what I wrote above, but if read the previous post several times, and then this post, you might be able to understand what I wrote. :D

Stiff

[jptheripper]

psuedo proud of myself, i figured out an excel spreadsheet to take the .inf file and set up a KB per titleset sheet that will recalculate the KBs if different avg_bitrates per segment are used. All a need now is a listing of the current avg_bitrates per segment and current avg_bitrate of the whole title (jdobbs is this outputable or is it something i will need to dig into bitrate viewer for based on start and end points). If i had that table, here is what i propose (based on many previous earlier comments).

Take listing, and instead of assigning 1 bitrate based on total and then forcing it to each segment we can weight the bitrate based on length and existing bitrate relative to existing average for the whole title. I.e. if segment 2 has lots of action and the avg_bitrate in that segment is say 20% then the avg_bitrate for the whole title, then we can proportionally assign the bitrate for RB to the same ratio. I am sure i garbled that but i hope you know what i mean.

jdobbs, stifflerstealth, if you want to see the spreadsheet just let me know.

-jp

[jdobbs]

@Purpleman
I guess I just expected a breakthrough in DVD backup or hoped you figured out a way to make CCE follow a GOP structure and got disappointed when I saw it's just the same old workaround which I personally (but that's just me) find inappropriate for quality backups. It might be suitable for others.Again I disagree. I think the number of frames associated with a typical Cell is large enough that it rises above the point at which the quality curve associated with VBR flattens out. Eliminating the obvious single frame cells.

But I'm willing to compromise for the cause. If you can run some tests against commercial DVDs that prove that the bitrate changes dramatically from cell to cell, I'll insert a routine that allocates bitrates proportional to the original allocation.

[FMalibu]

Originally posted by PurpleMan
Yes, I know all that. obviously that's why I said that I know that it's used to help keep the original DVD structure.
But in which case, this program is rather futile as it claims to achieve quality, which it clearly does not in comparison to BIG3 method, and in some cases, in comparison to transcoders. If you take a cell that is a fast action scene (a car chase or such), and try to encode it seperatley at a bitrate of 2350kbit/sec, the result will be inferior to a DVD-Shrink equivalent project.

As I have stated previously in this thread (god knows where though, this thing is getting huge...), I agree with you on the issue of the bitrate distribution. There will be a huge difference in how much bitrate each cell on a DVD needs to get the same average quality. However, I greatly applaud the efforts of jdobbs in creating this program, after all this is a very early beta. The word futile is then not one I would use, and I suppose Purpleman has already revoked this statement.

I have been thinking about this bitrate distribution issue, and if you take the time to read this post, I will attempt to illustrate a method that I feel comes as close to a perfect bitrate distribution as possible when encoding individual cells.

Basically it would involve adding an extra "Prepare" and "Encode" step to the existing three step process. (I know, it's supposed to be a one click program, but bear with me :) )

1. The first prepare step would do the same thing it does now, only it would generate an .ecl file that is set to encode single pass VBR à la roba for every cell.

2. The first encode step would encode the generated .ecl file, resulting in lots of one pass .mpv files.

3. The second prepare step would the use the size of each cell from the one pass VBR encoding to calculate it the size it should be to fill up the DVD, i.e. it would scale up/down the size of each cell with the same ratio. This would also allow for variance between the main movie titleset and extras (e.g. if you want the extras to be 2/3 the relative quality to the main movie or something). This step would generate another .ecl file based on these bitrates.

4. The second encode step has CCE encode the number of specified passes.

5. Rebuilding...(jdobbs black magic :) )

As the single pass VBR encode would determine the compressability of a certain cell as compared to all the other cells, this method would provide a good bitrate distribution, provided that the sizes of the cells are all multiplied by the same ratio.

To jdobbs: Please do not think I'm trying to dictate you how to write your program, I'm merely attempting to give what I think is a good suggestion. I encourage anyone to question, discuss or disprove this method.

-- FMalibu

[jdobbs]

I'm going to have to go back through this thread and start collecting all the suggestions and see how many promises I've made. I'm afraid I might get to a point where my mouth is writing checks my ass can't cash...

[jptheripper]

dont think you need to go that far (my opinion) but i think the need to set per title is a must, but cell would just be nice based on existing.

is there anyway you could add the existing avg_bitrate to the .inf for each cell if you are already calculating it or if it is a small task to do so? i.e. just add an existing_avg_bitrate = xxxx right with the frames etc, that way if we wanted to do it by hand we could.

-jp

[jptheripper]

oh and please dont forget the offers of (free) assistance.

and please take the majority of the criticism as compliments, we are all just so excited and thankful for the tool we want to help you make it be the best it can be

-jp

[jdobbs]

@jptheripper
You bet. If you don't want criticism you kind of defeat the purpose of a beta.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by Rombaldi
[B]@jdobbs

- being able to set a specific VTS to half D1 (ie. for extras) would be brilliant, as would being able to specify a given bitrate/pass count per VTS.


hmmmm ive tried doing half d1 on extras with some movies. it works very well. although not dvd compliant, most players it ok and because of half of total lines being used, quality looks alot better at low bitrates, less blocks, smoother images etc. so yes please make this happen :)

BUT, what i noticed with these half d1 clips is that they did play ok on my standalone, but not in powerdvd. subitles appeared wrong on the video. probably because the subpicture layer is still full resolution and the clip half causing displacement. but oh well....i play them on my stand alone so....and theyre only xtra so i could live with that :)

but .... maybe you could also adjust the subpictures to match the half d1 video ? now that would be very nice :)

[jdobbs]

@toolman2k
hmmmm ive tried doing half d1 on extras with some movies. it works very well. although not dvd compliant, Half-D1 is very much DVD compliant -- if it wasn't I wouldn't do it.

[quantum]

- being able to set a specific VTS to half D1 (ie. for extras) would be brilliantI messed around with this for some time and finally decided you get about the same results as half-d1 by increasing the softening effect, which is changing the "low pass" filter to a lower number, in CCE.

The result looks almost the same, and maybe better than half-d1 for low bitrate extras, and you don't have to worry about problems with subtitles or compatibility.

[jdobbs]

Hey, quantum -- great idea, and a lot easier to implement...

[FMalibu]

Originally posted by jdobbs
But I'm willing to compromise for the cause. If you can run some tests against commercial DVDs that prove that the bitrate changes dramatically from cell to cell, I'll insert a routine that allocates bitrates proportional to the original allocation.

Now you just got me curious if my claims are true, so I put it to the test. I took movie with some high action scenes, The Matrix R1. I know it can't really be backed up with DVD-RB (yet), but this was one of the few action movies I had availlable.

I demuxed by cell ID and here are the results of the first half of the movie:


V02C01 5429
V02C02 6429
V02C03 5292
V03C01 5199
V04C01 5104
V04C02 5549
V06C01 5702
V06C02 5391
V06C03 5260
V06C04 5166
V06C05 5198
V06C06 5235
V06C07 5348
V06C08 5979
V06C09 5580
V06C10 5356
V06C11 5749
V06C12 6385
V06C13 5830
V06C14 5146
V06C15 5414
V06C16 5684
V07C01 4065
V08C01 4779
V08C02 5372
V10C01 5712
V10C02 5599
V10C03 5342
V10C04 5371
V10C05 5431
V10C06 5336
V10C07 5365
V10C08 4694
V10C09 5213
V11C01 6349
V12C01 7765
V12C02 6579
V14C01 5696
V14C02 6653
V14C03 5179
V14C04 6487
V14C05 6218
V14C06 5239
V14C07 4846
V14C08 5278
V14C09 5273
V14C10 5281
V14C11 6013


You can see that the bitrate varies what I think is a significant amount. I started testing it on Fight Club R1 as well, but then lost the results. The maximum amplitude there between cell bitrates was about 2 Mbit I think, but obviously I can't back that up right now.

The method I proposed is indeed more difficult to implement, but I think it provides the best chances of a fair distribution without a movie, and more importantly between titlesets. I have seen a lot of DVDs that had disproportionate relative bitrates/quality between titlesets.

Also, it provides RoBa support, which rocks. For those not familliar with the merits of RoBa, I have found that it generally produces the same result as multipass encoding, but in one less pass. This means that a 4 pass multipass encode (incidently as many passes as anyone would ever want) can be achieved with RoBa in 3 passes. At least that's my theory according to my findings.

-- FMalibu

[jptheripper]

@fmalibu

can you tell me your method for demuxing by cellid and then determining the bitrates? i have my calculator ready to go but i am missing this one piece of info.

if you dont want to clutter the thread please pm me the steps

-jp

[wmansir]

Originally posted by quantum
I messed around with this for some time and finally decided you get about the same results as half-d1 by increasing the softening effect, which is changing the "low pass" filter to a lower number, in CCE.

The result looks almost the same, and maybe better than half-d1 for low bitrate extras, and you don't have to worry about problems with subtitles or compatibility.

Did you try this out on interlaced material or just progressive?

I find half-D1 is good for interlaced material, which a lot of extras are. But I have never compared the results with filtering, partly because filtering interlaced material can be tricky. Another benefit of half-D1 is that it encodes much faster, as a opposed to filters which slow down encoding.

[jdobbs]

@FMalibu

Okay, Matrix is a good extreme so you convinced me. I'm a little surprised, though. These are average bitrates, right?

[RB]

AFAIK Half-D1 can't be anamorphic though.

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by jdobbs
NOTE: NEW VERSION LOADED AFTER 1096 DOWNLOADS ON PAGE 4

wow, I got this forum set to view 30 posts per page, giving this 12 pages, it is not on page 4 :\

edit: found it logged out, page 8 or something, page 6 when viewing 30 posts

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=459634#post459634

and attachment: http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=459634

[joaoccc]

Hello

DVD-RB give me the error 9, subscript out of range in shangaii nights.

Anyone had this problem ?

And this movie don't had angles.

Reards

[StifflerStealth]

I was able to do several no thrills DVDs, so I think I'm going to test a DVD that caused Scenarist, DVD Maestro, and even InstantCopy v8 to fail. This DVD has a really strang structure with Hidden Cells. The only way to extract hidden cells is to use Dem(f)ux by CellID. Check this thread for more info (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72210). Read all the post so you can get an idea on what's going on with this disc. This will really test your m(f)uxer. If your proggie can m(f)ux this, then it will have done what several thousand dollar software could not.

Stiff

[quantum]

DVD-RB give me the error 9, subscript out of range in shangaii nights.I think I had this on one disk. I'll bet you have a number of cells or chapters or pgcs or something that is going beyond what jdobbs originally allocated. It's a good idea to post the disk name as you did in case jdobbs has the original for testing.

@jdobbs: Yet another thing to consider, since you probably don't have enough to think about, is to cause vb to give the line number when an error occurs. This can help with debugging since you can tell exactly where in your code things like "subscript out of range" occured. This is actually not that simple to implement. I've done it and can help out when you run out of other things to do.

[jdobbs]

Okay, all, just an update before I retire for the night. I worked on several things tonight, here's a summary:

- Implemented support for "Open" and "Save" of project files
- Implemented support for Nic's QuEnc (FFMPEG Library) program
- Fixed the bug that allows the program to bomb out when no source is selected
- Added the VTS number to the status screen output while encoding segments
- Spent considerable time working on TMAPTI table updates -- but it's not quite finished

I plan to finish TMAPTI and also add code to computer different bitrates to each segment based upon the original DVD before posting the next version (v0.17). I also plan to add code for allowing batch processing of project files (doing multiple DVDs). So expect the new version some time on Saturday.

Also, I'm going to move the most recent update so it is always available on the first page of this thread.

Goodnight.

[quantum]

Goodnight. Nooooooo... stay up. Keep working!!! :-)

[jdobbs]

@$&#^%$#!!

Does anyone know how to add an attachment to an existing post (after you've deleted the old attachment)?

Anyhow, here's v0.16 so it is at least available...


THIS ATTACHMENT WAS DELETED AFTER 1463 DOWNLOADS

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Does anyone know how to add an attachment to an existing post (after you've deleted the old attachment)?You may find it easier to post a link on the first post of the thread instead of referencing specific pages with every version.

BTW, congrats on your tool and efforts to support it and to improve it. You are a real artist.

[Oldeman]

Hey,
I just tried DVD-RB v.16 on Matchstick men using DVDStripper to remove extras and Rejig (one button) to encode and then Menuedit to delete extra buttons. Looks pretty good. I'm impressed with how easy this was.... Especially after reading all these posts. Apperently Rejig is less complicated by far than CCE.
All I did was put the MPEG2Decd3g.dll in the same folder with DVD-RB.
Nothing with AVI2whatever.

Haven't watched the whole movie yet, but the menus and sound appear to be flaeless.
Congrats....

[SLA]

I don't know if it was mentioned above but:
The maximum Bitrate in Rebuilder.ecl is MUCH too high.
I encoded a movie with 2*448 kbps AC3 + 1*224 kbps AC3, the maximum Bitrate was 9000 kbps. Summed up this would be a maximum of 10120 kbps, but if remember correct the max was something about 9800, wasn't it?

[Si]

Re Half-D1
Don't want to start a non-topic divergennce but rather stop one :)

I think there is always confusion with this phrase.

I think it means 352x480 (NTSC) or 352x576(PAL) which is fully DVD compliant.

Others think it means 352x240 or 252x288 which I believe isn't fully DVD compliant. (maybe this should be called quarter-D1 ;)

regards
Simon
PS Keep up the excellent work

[RB]

About the problems with still image cells people were reporting: I for one had no problems with a cell that contained just a single still image (I-Frame), CCE 2.67.00.23/Mpeg2Dec3dg encoded this one-framer just fine and DVD-RB muxed it back with no issues.

Where things might start to fail is when there is a cell that contains a series of still images (I I I I ...), like slide or still show (anyway that's what Scenarist calls it). In this case CCE will just see a very short video clip and will encode it as (I P B B ...). Now I can imagine that this causes DVD-RB to fail because it expects to mux back an (I I I I...) sequence. If my assumption is correct, then the ECL would have to be modified to set the GOP N/M parameters to 1/1, forcing CCE to produce only I-Frames. Or as jdobbs has already noted, maybe better to just use the original stream.

[JvD]

I think I saw somebody posting a solution to the "Runtime Error 9"-problem but cant find it. What was it? Did yot leave all stills or what? How did you do it? What do I need do edit? The rebuild process ended up with 3.5GB of files, ~0.8 missing.
Im backing up Fellinis ROMA (with removed extras).

[mcbelly]

OK, I got a problem (the usual error "9") on X-Files S4 Disc 4 AND 5 (but IC8 wouldn´t do them either...), but that might be the DVD´s, so no real trouble there...

After so many tech related suggestions, here´s one for userfriendliness (is that a real word ?;)): How about a "continue" button ? Like DVD2SVCD has, after a failed encode, just ´load an .ini file and continue.

mcbelly

[jdobbs]

DVD-RB give me the error 9, subscript out of range in shangaii nights. Can you tell me where it happened in the process? Was it during scanning, encoding, or rebuilding? I think this has been typically reported during rebuilding. This is one of those problems I really need to get to the bottom of.

[jdobbs]

@SLA
I don't know if it was mentioned above but:
The maximum Bitrate in Rebuilder.ecl is MUCH too high.
I encoded a movie with 2*448 kbps AC3 + 1*224 kbps AC3, the maximum Bitrate was 9000 kbps. Summed up this would be a maximum of 10120 kbps, but if remember correct the max was something about 9800, wasn't it?

The maximum video bitrate for a DVD is 9.8Mbs. The combined bitrate (video, audio, and subpictures) is 10.08Mbs. I can't remember, though, whether that means only the active channels (one video, one audio, etc.) or total on the disc... here's what the DVD FAQ at DVD Demystified says:

Maximum video bit rate is 9.8 Mbps. The "average" video bit rate is around 4 Mbps but depends entirely on the length, quality, amount of audio, etc. This is a 31:1 reduction from uncompressed 124 Mbps video source (or a 25:1 reduction from 100 Mbps film source). Raw channel data is read off the disc at a constant 26.16 Mbps. After 8/16 demodulation it's down to 13.08 Mbps. After error correction the user data stream goes into the track buffer at a constant 11.08 Mbps. The track buffer feeds system stream data out at a variable rate of up to 10.08 Mbps. After system overhead, the maximum rate of combined elementary streams (audio + video + subpicture) is 10.08. MPEG-1 video rate is limited to 1.856 Mbps with a typical rate of 1.15 Mbps.

[acido]

Maybe i've missed something or did something wrong but :
- Ripped U2 Go Home (PAL) DVD with DVDDecrypter (all files/File mode)
- Removed unwated titlesets/menu with dvdstripper
- Removed unneeded audio streams with ifoedit
- Obtained a 5,52GB dir with working menus/chapters
- Run DVD-RB 0.16 - eclcce 1.7b - CCE-SP 2.67.00.23 trial
- After "one click" mode run, got
- Final dir 3,70GB in size, and menus not in synch with chapters

Do i have to rip in IFO mode and movie only to use DVD-RB?
Can someone summarize the process for newbies?

TIA, Alfredo

[tf]

@acido:

Well your method seems pretty much like mine. Here's what I do:

- Rip using DVDStripper (ie. DVDDecrypter) and remove all the clips I don't want. Check the output with PowerDVD, if ok, next step.

- Remove layer break and unwanted audio with DVDShrink. Yeah I know, this can be done with IfoEdit, but I got plenty of hd space. Again I check the output with PowerDVD, if ok, next step.

- Start DVD ReBuilder and let it do its magic. Using AviSynth 2.54, CCE SP 2.50, EclCCE 1.7 and MPEG2Dec3dg.dll, to be precise. Check the output with PowerDVD. If ok, next step.

- Deactivate/delete/hide buttons to deleted stuff with MenuEdit.

- Burn with Nero.

-tf

[trebor]

I also get error 9, subscript out of range right at the beginning when i press prepare :(
Did another dvd yesterday that worked just fine however ;)

[geffroman]

I am exhausted just catching up on the reading of this thread... I can't thank you enough for this program...

Who hasn't always dreamed of a CCE based "One Click" tool?

When you get closer to first official release I will make sure to post your program as the Premiere solution to have on our site where we will also be promoting heavily that a responsible user is a DONATING user to make sure you are rewarded for the insane amount of work you are doing.

Thanks again... Jeff

[jdobbs]

I also get error 9, subscript out of range right at the beginning when i press prepare I'm going to go back through my code and find every reference to every array and capture every possible place that a subscript might be out of range... then at least I'll know what the hell I'm doing wrong and why it only happens on certain DVDs.

[acido]

Originally posted by acido
Maybe i've missed something or did something wrong but :
- Ripped U2 Go Home (PAL) DVD with DVDDecrypter (all files/File mode)
- Removed unwated titlesets/menu with dvdstripper
- Removed unneeded audio streams with ifoedit
- Obtained a 5,52GB dir with working menus/chapters
- Run DVD-RB 0.16 - eclcce 1.7b - CCE-SP 2.67.00.23 trial
- After "one click" mode run, got
- Final dir 3,70GB in size, and menus not in synch with chapters

TIA, Alfredo

In the meanwhile i compressed the above 5,52GB dir with DVDShrink 3.17 to compare with DVD-RB results ...
.
Differences between DVD-RB and DVDShrink 3.17 :
.
1. DvDShrink created perfect 4,35GB DVD
2. DVD-RB created a undersized (3,70GB) DVD with wrong menu/chapters associations
:confused:

[RB]

acido, how about trying it without messing with the DVD layout first? There's always a chance one of the tools you use causes inconsistencies.

[jbenj01]

Originally posted by Oldeman
Hey,
I just tried DVD-RB v.16 on Matchstick men using DVDStripper to remove extras and Rejig (one button) to encode and then Menuedit to delete extra buttons. Looks pretty good. I'm impressed with how easy this was....

Wait.. how did you manage to do that?? Isn't Matchstick Men a multi-PGC DVD? Thought DVD-RB does not yet support..?

I keep getting the "..Error 380.." using CCE 2.66. I searched thru the thread and tried applying 'fixes', i.e., changing MPEG2 ES output to .m2v in CCE2.66, but to no avail. I've noticed so far in this thread that there are 2 such types of errors--a "380" and a "9". Has anyone pin-pointed causes? Thanks!

DVD-RB will be a gem once de-bugged.. Thank you jdobbs, sir..

[massive88]

@jdobbs

I used DVD-RB once so far with some really promising results. The only issue that I had was that the dvd I was using was Sports Night, which has hybrid frames. Doing the three step method I prepared the avs files. However to get rid of those pesky interlacing problems I had to go and edit all the avs scripts myself to add in decomb and tecline lines.

My only suggestion to improve the functionality of DVD-RB would be to possibly have a place where you could automatically insert lines into the avs scripts should you know you want them. On the whole though it wasnt that big of a deal to put the lines in myself, and the dvd looks far better than when done with transcoding.

Thanks a ton for making this great peice of software!

[FMalibu]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@FMalibu

Okay, Matrix is a good extreme so you convinced me. I'm a little surprised, though. These are average bitrates, right?

To be honest, I'm a little surprised too, as I expected more extreme bitrate variations. :) But yeah these are bitrate averages over each cell.

@jptheripper

I just let dvd decrypter demux the video and split it by cell id, then I viewed each cell in bitrate viewer.

And about the maximum bitrate issue, I still think "DVD compliant" will set the maximum bitrate to 9800, at least that's what I interpret from the manual. What procedure are you using to multiplex jdobbs, entirely your own? Any idea how it would handle VBV buffer overflows, would it report them while muxing?

-- FMalibu

[lab-one]

@jbenj01


I had a frustrating time with the 380 run time error. Thanks to a couple of other posts here I finally straightened out my set-up and have had 2 successful runs thus far. Set up is as follows:

Taken from huesage post on page 9:

instalation guide...
OK guys and gals,
Since a lot of people are having similar problems to the ones I was having at the start, I have decided to write a little instalation guide.

Here is a list of things you need to download:

1- Avisynth 2.54 (from doom9 software download page):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Support...viSynth_254.exe

2- DVD2AVI dg (from doom9 software download page):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Decoders/decodefix100.zip

3- EclCCE 1.7b (from doom9 forum, link in one of the posts):
http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/eclcce.zip
you only need this if you are using CCE SP 2.50, you do NOT need it for 2.6x and above.

4- DVD Rebuilder 0.16 or latest version available (from doom9 forum, link in this thread):
http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=459634

5- CCE SP 2.50 or CCE SP 2.66 (from doom9 software download page, trial versions):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Encoders/MPEG2/cspte250.exe
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Encoder...2/ccespt266.exe

Here is the instalation process:

1- install Avisynth 2.54

2- extract all the contents of DVD2AVI dg (decodefix100.zip) directly into the Avisynth 2.54 "plugins" folder
ie: C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins

3- install the version of CCE you want to work with. If you installed CCE SP 2.50 go to step 4, if not, go directly to step 5.

4- extract "eclcce.zip", run it and point it too your CCE SP 2.50 executable
ie: C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe

5- extract DVD Rebuilder 0.16 (dvd-rbv016.zip) or later
- run it
- click on "options" menu then "setup"
- here you have to point the APROPRIATE box to your EclCCE.exe or cctsp.exe depending on the version of CCE used
ie: If using CCE SP 2.50: C:\Program Files\eclcce\EclCCE.exe (in the "Path to CCE Pro 2.50" box)
ie: If using CCE SP 2.6x and above C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\cctsp.exe (in the "Path to CCE Pro (New))

6- make sure you also go to the "Options" menu, "CCE Options" and check the correct version of CCE you are using ;-)

7- if any of your source video is interlaced, make sure to go to "Options", "AVS Options" and check "ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)".

I hope that this has been helpful to some of you and that it does not cause any trouble because of links or space it has taken on the thread. This is only meant to be a help to Jdobbs who has worked so hard and has accomplished so much.

NOTE: Please do not take this guide word for word, it is only meant to help you, send you in the right direction and save you some time. you might have to do things a little different than it is mentioned in here. GOOD LUCK !!


stolen from pace on page 11:

You can download this plugin at http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises -> scroll down to Mpeg2Dec3, and download the version for AVISynth 2.5



All credit to both of these posts. Once I followed these and changed the CCE MPEG 2 extension to m2v I had everything working. As pace noted above, make sure you download the correct Mpeg2Dec3.dll from the link provided. There are 2 options, get the one for v2.5. I also removed the MPEG2Dec3dg.dll from the plug-ins directory. Not sure if it needs to be removed but it works without it being there.


Hope this helps. Thanks to everyone who has posted fixes for this as I was getting a bit pissed lastnight.

[Oldeman]

DVD-RB First Try

Hey,
I just tried DVD-RB v.16 on Matchstick men using DVDStripper to remove extras and Rejig (one button) to encode and then Menuedit to delete extra buttons. Looks pretty good. I'm impressed with how easy this was.... Especially after reading all these posts. Apperently Rejig is less complicated by far than CCE.
All I did was put the MPEG2Decd3g.dll in the same folder with DVD-RB.
Nothing with AVI2whatever.

Haven't watched the whole movie yet, but the menus and sound appear to be flaeless.
Congrats....

Follow-up...
The remade VIDEO-TS played flawless via IFOEdit. However, after I burned it it would not play in any of my players or PowerDVD. Navigation errors. GetVTS Sectors reported an error in the VMGMAT(?? I think) and DVDShrink reported an error in VOB5.
This may be the Rejig error someone reported earlier.

In any case this tool is very easy easy to use and I'm excited about its promise of better quality backups. :rolleyes:

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by RB
About the problems with still image cells people were reporting: I for one had no problems with a cell that contained just a single still image (I-Frame), CCE 2.67.00.23/Mpeg2Dec3dg encoded this one-framer just fine and DVD-RB muxed it back with no issues.

Where things might start to fail is when there is a cell that contains a series of still images (I I I I ...), like slide or still show (anyway that's what Scenarist calls it). In this case CCE will just see a very short video clip and will encode it as (I P B B ...). Now I can imagine that this causes DVD-RB to fail because it expects to mux back an (I I I I...) sequence. If my assumption is correct, then the ECL would have to be modified to set the GOP N/M parameters to 1/1, forcing CCE to produce only I-Frames. Or as jdobbs has already noted, maybe better to just use the original stream.

@RB: I take a page from the "Big 3" Methodology. I just remove any cell from the big ecl file that is under a certain size, usually a meg or so. I do this since some older versions have issuses with very small files.

@jdobbs: It might be easier to have two list. One for all the files that can be encoded, ie the big ecl file, and another list that contain cells that are under a certain size. Then when all the encoding is done, goto the second list and extract the cells that are not to be encoded. This should be an easier way than figuring out how the I, B, and P Frames should be for each cell. IMHO

Stiff

[StifflerStealth]

@jdobbs: A page back I told you I was going to try to do a DVD that broke DVD Maeestro, Scenarist, and even IC8. It just finished muxing, and DVD-RB handled it perfectly. The Hidden Cells or in there. I Know this because there are missing sectors, and the layout is exact. The audio and subs are in sync. Congrats! Your program did what several thousand dollar software could not.

Link to the topic discussing the craziness of this DVD: Click here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72210).

Stiff

[Raymongo]

Originally posted by huesage
@daxab:

I only get that error when using CCE SP 2.67, when using CCE SP 2.50 I get a finalized backup. What version of CCE are you using daxab?

Well thats is wat i tried but it still gives me the 380 error! I don't get it.


EDIT:

The problem was that all files were named *.mpv instead of *.m2v as Hypo stated. Now the rebuilding phase went flawless.

[hypo20]

@jdobbs

Ok. I have really BIIIIIIG problem.

Finally I was testing burned DVD's (with ImgTool Burn) and:

- in menu, everything is ok

- BUT!!!! when I play the movie, no sound at all!!!!!

What can be wrong??? In PC everything is OK.

[redfive19]

@jdobbs
A few pages back (damn this thread is huge) I asked about why I had jumpy frames when I play it back on my TV. You said to turn down the Film Threshold in options. It's at 70% now, what should I change it to?

TIA
-redfive19

[jdobbs]

@redfive19,

I'd just try other settings (start with 50%) and see how they look.

[NobbyNobbs]

@jdobbs

I have tried ReBuilder a few times with "Frank Herbert´s Dune" the mini-series, disc 1.

It works fine with ReJig, but chokes when it tries to rebuild VTS_04_1.VOB, and give the usual error (with a 9 somwhere in it).

With CCE it works, if I change the .mpv extensions to .m2v, but chokes at the same place.

Looking at the original in IfoEdit, I see that VTS_04 contains several PGC´s, and all but the first are collections of stills, that you are supposed to move between using the arrow buttons on your remote.

I have only tried it with this disc, as I believe that the best way to test a beta software for problems, is to try it on something that gives it problems :D

Hope this helps you in finding a solution to some of the problems at this early stage of a already quite good program :)

[StifflerStealth]

@NobbyNobbs: Just replace the cells that are stills with originals demuxed from DVD Decrypter. I mentioned a couple pages back how you can handle the stills. I have not recieved that error since I started that. Hope that helps.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

Pretty soon, maybe in the next version, I am going to have the program do that for you.

[NobbyNobbs]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Pretty soon, maybe in the next version, I am going to have the program do that for you.

That was the reason I posted about it, I already have a backup of this disc, but had the files on one of my HD´s, that is why I used this for my experimenting with your app. :)

[jdobbs]

With CCE it works, if I change the .mpv extensions to .m2v, but chokes the same placeI'm trying to write down all the bugs -- but I don't get this one. When does CCE create a file with a .MPV extension? What version. The reason I ask is that I insert the name of the output file (vid_file0= and vid_file1=) in the .ECL file.

[NobbyNobbs]

I was using CCE SP Trial 2.66.01.07, run trough EclCCE.

Rebuilder seemed to do alright with VTS_01, but when it tried to do VTS_02 (The main movie) it gave the error containing the number 380
( It is to late for me to think clearly, so can not remember the exact error, but it have been mentioned several times before)

When I saw one of the earlier replies, I looked at the files, and the extension was .mpv ;)

So I just marked all files in Total Commander, and changed all instances of .mpv to .m2v.

After the change, the rebuild worked, until it met the VOB, containing the stills gallery.

(I have seen a post, explaining how to change the output, either in EclCCe, or CCE, but the thread have become so large that I have trouble finding it :(

@StifflerStealth
I have seen your workaround, but although using workarounds might help if you want to back up the DVD, I thought it was better to report the problems, as I believe the reason for this thread is to help Jdobbs find possible bugs in the program.:)

[Paced]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm trying to write down all the bugs -- but I don't get this one. When does CCE create a file with a .MPV extension? What version. The reason I ask is that I insert the name of the output file (vid_file0= and vid_file1=) in the .ECL file.

As far as I know, all CCE versions create .MPV extensions by default - but I myself don't get this problem 'everyone else' is experiencing (using CCE v2.50).

[paulers]

Does anyone have a good method for stripping out extras using this wonderful method? I have been waiting a long time for this application. Excellent job Jdobbs!

[jdobbs]

As far as I know, all CCE versions create .MPV extensions by default - but I myself don't get this problem 'everyone else' is experiencing (using CCE v2.50). Yep. You can change the default under OPTIONS/EXTENSIONS -- but I thought that since I set it myself in the .ECL file it should have been overridden...

[NobbyNobbs]

@paulers

Use DVDStripper, IfoEdit (2Cools guides helps a lot), Titleset Blanker, or some other program to remove the extras before you use DVD Rebuilder

[paulers]

thanks for the fast response! Ill give it a shot

[StifflerStealth]

Well, after playing around with the settings in the program, and not manually editing the files, CCE gave me V01000100001001.mpv.m2v files. I must be special since I have two extentions. :D Now I need to remember how I did this. I use CCE 2.67.00.23 SP.

Stiff

[joaoccc]

Hello

i'm getting the error 9 again in dvd the deer hunter.When in try to make vts 2 ( the main vts )is give the error 9.

Regards

[robot1]

@joaoccc
just done for testing the same movie (pal R2) and it worked, using cce 2.67.00.23 and Eclcce.
DVD size: 4,32.
FF and Rewind doesn't work (probably for the NAV Pointers?) and DVDShrink also finds errors in the VOB

[SLA]

Hm...If i use PowerDVD to play the authored DVD it works quite fine. But if I put the slider to the last quarter of the movie it simply doesn't begin to play. The slider just jumps back. So I think there is something wrong? Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Thx!

[robot1]

Using ifoedit, open the ifo of your film.
Press Vob Extras, and in options check only
Correct Vob unit
Correct orifinal ifo files
Leave default selections in VOB EXPERT, and uncheck Autocopy Menu-files to destination.
Press ok, and after his work save the ifo.
This worked for me (PAL film).

[SLA]

Originally posted by robot1
Using ifoedit, open the ifo of your film.
Press Vob Extras, and in options check only
Correct Vob unit
Correct orifinal ifo files
Leave default selections in VOB EXPERT, and uncheck Autocopy Menu-files to destination.
Press ok, and after his work save the ifo.
This worked for me (PAL film).

Yeah thank you robot1 :D :D it really works (on my Pal DVDs) :):) *happy* But I think this issue should be fixed in an upcoming Version.

EDIT: omg it doesn't work, i played the wrong dvd so i thought it would work :(

[Abnormal1]

Hi,
I have just been testing ReBuilder and noticed that I am getting .mpv from CCE aswell.
Anyway what I was wondering is could you not just use .mpv instead of .m2v. This would then remove this small bug.

P.S. Great Program

Thanks
Abnormal1

[jdobbs]

Well, sorta. Then it would just start the bug for everyone who uses .M2V -- I'm still trying to figure out why it overrides the filenames I've put in the .ECL... Are you using the trial version?

[Abnormal1]

Hi,
I was just thinking that it could be because it is the trial version. I can get it to use .m2v by changing the extensions option but then this might cause problems for the big3 method as i think that uses .mpv extension.

edit: Turns out that the extension is set in the registry. But I just can not see why CCE ignores the File in the ECL and uses the extension in the registry.

Abnormal

[jdobbs]

I'm confident that this is only happening on people who are using the trial version. I downloaded it and was able to repeat it. For some reason the trial doesn't read the filename input from the .ECL file -- it could be related to eclCCE (since that is the only way you can use an ECL with the trial). I also noticed (at least on my system) that I get an annoying sound after every segment is processed when using the trial.

Anyway, I'll fix it by forcefully renaming the file to .M2V after it is encoded.

[Abnormal1]

After playing a bit i think you are right that this is eclCCE causing this problem, as if you open the ECL and manually change the extension to .m2v CCE encodes it to the correct name.

Abnormal

[jdobbs]

It's fixed. You'll see it in a version loaded later today. Right now I'm working on the TMAPTI table updates.

[Mad_Max_73]

An Italian (from venice)here wants a simple update...
Can you move
quality_prec=5 (25 is too high)
dvd=1
vbr_bias=20 (10 is too low)

on ecl creation....and
custom bitrate for every title set....tnx

[jdobbs]

I'll make them adjustable in setup.

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm confident that this is only happening on people who are using the trial version. I downloaded it and was able to repeat it. For some reason the trial doesn't read the filename input from the .ECL file -- it could be related to eclCCE (since that is the only way you can use an ECL with the trial). I also noticed (at least on my system) that I get an annoying sound after every segment is processed when using the trial.
Actually, it's a problem in both CCE and EclCCE. Run CCE manually and type a path with .M2V extension for the video output files. Now change the encoding mode, say from VBR to CBR. You'll note that CCE changed the extension from .M2V to the default extension, most likely MPV. Now that's exactly how EclCCE works, it simply simulates user input, hence the problem. I'll fix that in the new version I'm working on right now, this will also allow to run CCE minimized.

I also know where this annoying beep could be coming from, but thought I took care of that several versions back. It doesn't happen here with CCE-SP 2.67.00.23 trial. What version did you use?

[jdobbs]

@RB

Cool... Thanks. BTW, do you know why there is a sound made every time CCE exits when I'm using eclCCE with the trial? It doesn't do it with 2.50. (not a criticism, just a question)

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Can you add a One Pass CCE ???
I normaly use one pass with Q=35 and then if it get bigger i move to multipass.
Thank you a continue the good work

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@RB

Cool... Thanks. BTW, do you know why there is a sound made every time CCE exits when I'm using eclCCE with the trial? It doesn't do it with 2.50. (not a criticism, just a question)
It's coming from the "Do you want to save changes to 'noname' ?" prompt that CCE pops up when it exits because it is completely unaware of EclCCE :) I thought I had suppressed that, at least it doesn't make any sound here. Can you run EclCCE manually, load an ECL and then exit? Does it make that sound then?

[quantum]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'll make them adjustable in setup.
Something to consider before you start making buttons and switches to adjust every setting in CCE. Think about supporting ecl template files. You have an ecl set the way you want via the CCE interface, then saved as normal. Your program then uses this template and inserts/replaces the important stuff like filenames, bitrates, etc. I went down this road before and found this much easier.

[jdobbs]

@RB
It's coming from the "Do you want to save changes to 'noname' ?" prompt that CCE pops up when it exits because it is completely unaware of EclCCE I thought I had suppressed that, at least it doesn't make any sound here. Can you run EclCCE manually, load an ECL and then exit? Does it make that sound then? Yes. At first I wasn't sure what was causing it so I tried it with CCE alone and got the sound.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by FilipeAmadeuO
Can you add a One Pass CCE ???
I normaly use one pass with Q=35 and then if it get bigger i move to multipass.
Thank you a continue the good work No. There are way too many "gotchas" involved with one-pass. It's next to impossible to size it correctly and I personally don't think the quality compares at the same filesize (I know I'll get comments on that one).

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
(I know I'll get comments on that one). Not from me. :D It's a religious discussion and won't get into it.

However, prediction has improved a lot. Tylo's D2Sroba currently achieves about 1% error and when oversized this can be corrected by a Requant pass. If interested, let me know.

[jdobbs]

Attached is the lastest DVD-RB (Beta) update. Here is a summary of the changes made:

- Added code to update the TMAPTI table based upon the newly authored VTS, this should fix problems associated with direct positioning

- Implemented support for "Open" and "Save" of project files -- lets you save and restore the current state of all configurable settings and paths. This is the first step in implementing batch processing.

- Implemented support for Nic's QuEnc (FFMPEG Library) program (he's done it again!) -- Please note that when checking this option "ConvertToYV12()" line is automatically added to .AVS files and "ConvertToYUY2()/AddAudio()" are disabled

- Fixed the bug that causes DVD-RB to get stuck if attempting to run "Prepare" when no input path has been selected

- Added the VTS number to the status screen output while encoding segments

- Fixed error associated with CCE Trial in which filenames were outputting as .MPV rather than M2V. (Note, though, that .MPV is still the correct extension for ReJig encoding)

- Added a dialog box for customizing some of the CCE settings. Removed the number-of-passes choice from the "Options" menu (it is now set via the CCE Dialog. Please note that no matter how you set the "passes" value, CCE Basic will only do a 2-pass encode.

- Fixed error in which Mode and Options menu were not disabled during encoding (if changed while encoding it might cause several errors)


Next up on the agenda is:
1. Allocating bitrates proportionally to each cell based upon the original bit distribution
2. Settings so bitrates can be different between VTSs so more can be allocated to the movie and less to VTSs holding extras.
3. Improvements so stills are better supported.

NOTE ADDED LATER: Thought I should mention. The QuEnc support requires QuEnc v.41 or later -- I've used an aspect ratio parameter that wasn't a part of earlier versions. Thx


DELETED ATTACHMENT: See bug posted a couple messages down.

You can get the fixed version here (http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=461790).

[hypo20]

Ok. New bug with this version:

When selecting CCE SP (2.66+) next happend:

Runtime Error '424':
Object required.

[Oldeman]

Man,
I've been waiting all day for this. Can't wait to try it with Rijig.
I think the tmapi(sp?) was my main problem with prior version.

Thanks...Thanks...Thanks....

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
Ok. New bug with this version:

When selecting CCE SP (2.66+) next happend:

Runtime Error '424':
Object required. It happened when you selected it?

[SLA]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It happened when you selected it?

Yes same happens to me if i select it i get this errormessage. After restarting it it's already selected.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
Ok. New bug with this version:

When selecting CCE SP (2.66+) next happend:

Runtime Error '424':
Object required. Ok, found it. Stupid mistake. I'll be uploading the fix in a couple of minutes.

[lab-one]

v0.17 is working fine with CCE SP 2.50.

Thanks again for the new features.

[trebor]

Still get that runtime error 9
subscript out of range

Is there anything we can do to help you solve it? Like sending you the ifo that's causing this or something?
I've tried it on 3 dvd's so far. 2 worked perfectly but on the 3'rd i get this right away :(

[jdobbs]

Okay here is version 0.18 -- summary of changes:

- Fixed stupid bug that resulted in error '424' when selecting CCE version

Sorry about that -- I'd left some dangling references to the menu items that used to change the number of passes.

NOTE: YEP. There's a new version (0.19) greater than this one.

Grab it here (http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=461865).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by trebor
Still get that runtime error 9
subscript out of range

Is there anything we can do to help you solve it? Like sending you the ifo that's causing this or something?
I've tried it on 3 dvd's so far. 2 worked perfectly but on the 3'rd i get this right away :( Is this the one that is happening in the last phase of the "ReBuild"? If so I've been able to repeat it (it's related to stills) and I'm working it.

[hypo20]

Man!!! You're so faaaast. God bless you.

I'm installing my Exchange server so I don't know what to do while installing. :D

[trebor]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is this the one that is happening in the last phase of the "ReBuild"? If so I've been able to repeat it (it's related to stills) and I'm working it.

Nope, it happens right away just after pressing prepare

[DMagic1]

Great to see the new version out.

Give me a few to do a project, burn it, and I'll let you know how it works on the problem players.

[DDogg]

jdobbs, great work and thanks. I am wondering if you later plan to introduce a conditional that will use rejig if under a user set X% of reduction and CCE if over that X%?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, great work and thanks. I am wondering if you later plan to introduce a conditional that will use rejig if under a user set X% of reduction and CCE if over that X%? Not a bad idea, but the problem is -- at the point at which I actually know what the percentage is I will have already created either a set of .MPV files or .AVS files for one or the other to use. I'm counting sectors while creating them.

Probably the best way to do it is to choose CCE and use the 3-step method, it only takes about 4 minutes for the first (Prepare) phase to complete. If the percentage looks reasonable, you can just start over with ReJig and will have only wasted 4 minutes.

[DMagic1]

The problems are still there. I also noticed that IFOEdit DVDplayer will give problems much the same as the standalones I've tried. The original movie can be fastforwared with IFOEdit. The DVD Rebuilder output movie can't.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DMagic1
The problems are still there. I also noticed that IFOEdit DVDplayer will give problems much the same as the standalones I've tried. The original movie can be fastforwared with IFOEdit. The DVD Rebuilder output movie can't. Are you NTSC or PAL?

[auszeus]

Hi,

Great tool in the making here.

I just grabbed release 0.18 and decided to give QuEnc (0.41). When i tgot to the encode stage it just repeatedly brought up error messages from QuEnc about "Bad Parameter!". And didn't actually encode anything.

[r6d2]

v0.18, after ripping and click prepare, it processes the first VTS and then crashes with Run-time error 63: bad record number. :(

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by auszeus
Hi,

Great tool in the making here.

I just grabbed release 0.18 and decided to give QuEnc (0.41). When i tgot to the encode stage it just repeatedly brought up error messages from QuEnc about "Bad Parameter!". And didn't actually encode anything. Not sure... I just went and tried it again with both a 16:9 and a 4:3 source. Seemed to work fine for me. Here is the command line that DVD-RB is sending, try and enter is manually (with your paths etc.) and see what happens:

"\path\to\exe\QuEnc" -i \path\to\source\inname.avs -o \path\to\dest\outname.m2v -b nnnn -aspectratio aaaa -2 -auto -close

nnnn = numeric value of bitrate in Kbs
aaaa = "16:9" or "4:3" depending upon source.

Hmmmm... One possible error I can see is that I didn't put quotes around the in and out paths -- I'll do a test and see if that makes it fail on my system when I add spaces to a path.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by r6d2
v0.18, after ripping and click prepare, it processes the first VTS and then crashes with Run-time error 63: bad record number. :( Using CCE, ReJig, or QuEnc?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by auszeus
Hi,

Great tool in the making here.

I just grabbed release 0.18 and decided to give QuEnc (0.41). When i tgot to the encode stage it just repeatedly brought up error messages from QuEnc about "Bad Parameter!". And didn't actually encode anything. Yeah. The problem was the fact that I wasn't putting quotation marks around the paths... I was just able to repeat it on my computer. Another silly mistake. It's fixed. Look for a posted fix shortly. I want to see if I can find what caused r6d2's "Bad Record" error... if it looks like it will take to long I'll post an interim.

[auszeus]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Yeah. The problem was the fact that I wasn't putting quotation marks around the paths... I was just able to repeat it on my computer. Another silly mistake. It's fixed. Look for a posted fix shortly. I want to see if I can find what caused r6d2's "Bad Record" error... if it looks like it will take to long I'll post an interim.

Yes, just tried it myself and I was using folders with spaces, removed the spaces and it works just fine.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by r6d2
v0.18, after ripping and click prepare, it processes the first VTS and then crashes with Run-time error 63: bad record number. :( Could you try that rip with v0.17 for me? That way I'll know to look only at the changes I made in 0.18.

[StifflerStealth]

While we're on the topic of bugs. I noticed in version 0.16+ that if you start an encode with CCE, let CCE start to do it's thing, and then press the Abort button, DVD-RB will freeze with "Not Responding" in the title bar. I like to let CCE finish one cell so I can check the quality of the encode in a player to see if I need toraise the number of passes/bitrate.

Quite frankly, I don't know anyone else but me that would even want to abort a CCE encode considering the time it takes :).

Stiff

[SteveV]

Dunno if its a bug or that it is supposed to do it but here is what i found.
i just started a process on spike lee`s do the right thing pal, i am using CCE 2.50 and selected 4 passes.After it was done i opened rebuilder.ecl to see what it actually did and found it got vbr_pass=3 in all the files.After that i started another process but now with 5 passes in CCE and rebuilder.ecl shows now vbr_pass=4.
Is it supposed to do this ?

[2COOL]

Just wanted to try out DRB 0.18 this weekend and I guess I'm back down to being a born again newbie. :( Anyways, I have CCE SP Trial 2.67.00.23 and EclCCE 1.7b. All I have set in my setup is my EclCCE.exe in Path to CCE Pro (new}. When one click processing, I'm at a stoppage when CCE pops up when it's time to encode and there's nothing in it. I tried reading the whole thread but i feel like I'm missing something. :(

If someone has the same proggies like I have, can you come up with a cheat sheet for me? I don't often ask for help so any assistance is well appreciated.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by SteveV
Dunno if its a bug or that it is supposed to do it but here is what i found.
i just started a process on spike lee`s do the right thing pal, i am using CCE 2.50 and selected 4 passes.After it was done i opened rebuilder.ecl to see what it actually did and found it got vbr_pass=3 in all the files.After that i started another process but now with 5 passes in CCE and rebuilder.ecl shows now vbr_pass=4.
Is it supposed to do this ? That's purposeful. In true 2 pass encoding there is a scan (pass 1) followed by an encode (pass2). In CCE the scan isn't counted as a pass -- so I set it to what I thought was more correct. I just hated to see people waiting 50% longer for an additional pass that doesn't give that much improvement.

[SteveV]

Ok thx for your quick response

[NobbyNobbs]

@2cool

There is a post on page 19, that tells a bit about what you need.

There are others, but the tread is so long, that it is hard to find something again.

I actualy did what I usualy do with your cheatsheets, I printed the whole tread, but just being away some hours, it is hard to see what is happening:)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by r6d2
v0.18, after ripping and click prepare, it processes the first VTS and then crashes with Run-time error 63: bad record number. :( Has anyone else gotten this error? I haven't been able to repeat it.

[Oldeman]

I just did NTSC Memento with DVD-RB .17 and ReJig. No problems. Movie looks great. Fast forward works ok on my APEX 1500 after burning. Menus work ok.

I love it.
Thanks :) :) :)

[jdobbs]

Okay, I don't want to leave a post on too long that has a really obvious bug (the QuEnc "Bad Parameter" error). So I'm replacing v0.18 with v0.19 (attached). Hope I'm not driving people crazy with too many versions... Changes:

- Fixed error that resulted in "bad parameter" message with QuEnc when the source or destination path had a space in it.

- Added option to copy status box to clipboard -- meant to help with collecting and posting information (mainly for debugging)

ATTACHMENT REMOVED AFTER 758 DOWNLOADS.

To get the most current version -- go to the first post of this thread

[NobbyNobbs]

@jdobbs

This tread have gotten so big, it is hard to follow.

As you also are a mod on this forum, I suggest that you close it, and open one tread, where people can post bug reports ( with instructions for what they should include for you to trace the possible bug).

You could also have another tread, for general discussions about DVD Rebuilder, as I guess that reports on things that work as it is supposed also can be helpful (and comforting?):D :D

[hypo20]

Still don't have audio output in my SONY standalone DVD player.

On PC everything works fine. Fast FWD and Fast RWD is working good.

Has anyone this problem???? Or know anyone a solution???

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Using CCE, ReJig, or QuEnc? CCE I think. It happened again at the same point on a re-run with 1-click mode. I'll try 0.19. Movie is Taxi Driver.

[StifflerStealth]

@Hypo: What type of audio was it? I know I have problems with the Big three method and DTS audio. I haven't tried a Movie with DTS audio on DVD-RB yet.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by NobbyNobbs
@jdobbs

This tread have gotten so big, it is hard to follow.

As you also are a mod on this forum, I suggest that you close it, and open one tread, where people can post bug reports ( with instructions for what they should include for you to trace the possible bug).

You could also have another tread, for general discussions about DVD Rebuilder, as I guess that reports on things that work as it is supposed also can be helpful (and comforting?):D :D That's a really good idea.

All: for further bug reports and discussion please post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050).

For general discussions, comments, and suggestions please post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051).

I've decided not to close it, though, until some of the discussions are finished. Hopefully the other threads will pick up and this will move down the page on its own.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
Still don't have audio output in my SONY standalone DVD player.

On PC everything works fine. Fast FWD and Fast RWD is working good.

Has anyone this problem???? Or know anyone a solution??? That's odd. Are you using analog connectors or coming from a digital audio output? Have you tried selecting other audio tracks to see if they have any output?

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Are you NTSC or PAL?

NTSC

[jdobbs]

@DMagic1,

Damn. I'm also NTSC and can't get it to repeat this - I was hoping it was something simple like a computation issue with PAL when figuring out the contents of the Data Search Informatin (DSI) packet.

In the DSI, which is in the NAVPACK there are SRIs that point to VOBUs in a forward and backward direction. If your FF and RW aren't working properly it would tend to indicate that this table is populated incorrectly. Unfortunately this table isn't enumerated by VOBEdit (except in Hex mode) making it difficult to review it. It makes it even worse when the FF and REW work fine for the discs I've tried (at 1.5x, 5x, and 20x on my standalone(s) and also using PowerDVD)

I'll go back over the code that fills the table and see if there are any anomalies...

@All,

Are there others who are experiencing problems with FF and RW?

[quantum]

After redoing Matchstick Men, I don't see any difference on direct positioning in Zoom Player. I click about 1/4 of the way into the movie and it jumps to either 2/3 or locks up. Hitting FF exits the movie. This is how I test to confirm navigation works. I don't think PowerDVD is a good test because I think it has work-around code built in to deal with worst case DVD's.

[jdobbs]

That means it probably wasn't the TMAPTI that was the source of the problem. Too bad, that was a lot of work. Of course it had to be done anyway.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's a really good idea.

All: for further bug reports and discussion please post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050).

For general discussions, comments, and suggestions please post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051).

I've decided not to close it, though, until some of the discussions are finished. Hopefully the other threads will pick up and this will move down the page on its own.

In about one day your post with those two links will be lost in the thread... Should really close this thread with that information at the beginning an end of thread directing folks to the proper thread. Just my humble opinion

[quantum]

Originally posted by jdobbs
That means it probably wasn't the TMAPTI that was the source of the problem. Too bad, that was a lot of work. Of course it had to be done anyway. Are you sure? The results seem the same as when I do my own projects and do ifoupdate without the transfer TMAPTI option enabled. Is there any way there could be problematic TMAPTI's with your new code? Maybe I should try another disk.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quantum
Are you sure? The results seem the same as when I do my own projects and do ifoupdate without the transfer TMAPTI option enabled. Is there any way there could be problematic TMAPTI's with your new code? Maybe I should try another disk. I'll go back and go through the table creation with a fine tooth comb... what makes it so difficult is that I can't repeat it. I have 3 standalones and they all have been able to FF and RW on all the discs I've done.

Early in my development I had a problem similar to the FF and RW portion and it turned out to be an error in how I was creating/populating the DSI's SRI tables. But when I fixed the bug it went away for good (at least for me).

There's obviously something wrong and I have to find it.

[KungFuCow]

I own one of the same players the other guy does who's having problems. I'll burn one of the DVDs Ive been experimenting with and try it and see if I also have the same problems.

[DMagic1]

@jdobbs

Did you try fforwarding with Nero Showtime? As one person said, it also has a problem with fforwarding. It seems as if what ever is causing this on some dvd players is also causing problems with Nero Showtime and my IFOEdit DVD player.

[quantum]

Originally posted by jdobbs
[B]what makes it so difficult is that I can't repeat it.Have you tried using the feature on your standalone where you enter a specific time and it jumps to it? Try to jump to 1:15:00 into a movie. I think every standalone has this capability but it's sometimes not obvious how to do it.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by quantum
Have you tried using the feature on your standalone where you enter a specific time and it jumps to it? Try to jump to 1:15:00 into a movie. I think every standalone has this capability but it's sometimes not obvious how to do it.

Hes right. Even the Toshiba, which has no problem fforwarding with the output, will freezes if I put in a time to jump to.

[KungFuCow]

Tried out Lost In Translation on a Lite On LVD 2001 and an Xbox. Playback was incorrect on both. The movie starts out with a trailer you can FFWD though. On the Liteon, FFWDing worked okay however if you stopped FFing anywhere, even in the main movie, it dumped you back to the opening trailer screen.

The Xbox locked up if you attempted to FFWD the movie.

Movie played fine in Power DVD however.

[robot1]

Originally posted by hypo20
Still don't have audio output in my SONY standalone DVD player.

On PC everything works fine. Fast FWD and Fast RWD is working good.

Has anyone this problem???? Or know anyone a solution???

I have the same problem. My standalone player is a Pioneer DV-360.
The disk (PAL) had 4 audio track, and I selected 1st and 4th.
Now i'm backing up another disk to check again (and this time I'll burn on a RW...)

[hypo20]

@robot1

I tested 3 discs. Also PAL. First, I have checked only some audio streams, but then I was doing FULL backup (everything, all audio, all extra, all subs) and it was the same.

@jdobbs
Can you look at it???

[oCe]

Well, I'm not posting much here, more reading for years now, but this program is worth a post!

Ok, tested version 0.18 on Basic, PAL-edition. Kept everything, so the dvd includes DTS, Dolby Digital 5.1 and 2.0 tracks. Converting goes smooth, no problems what so ever. Then, tried to burn it with Nero (v6.3.1.6) and got this message:

21.3.2004
UDF/ISO compilation
14:12:50 #1 DVDREALLOC 5 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 965
Backup file 'VTS_01_0.BUP' should be identical to 'VTS_01_0.IFO'

14:12:50 #2 DVDREALLOC 5 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 965
Backup file 'VTS_02_0.BUP' should be identical to 'VTS_02_0.IFO'

14:12:50 #3 DVDREALLOC 5 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 965
Backup file 'VTS_03_0.BUP' should be identical to 'VTS_03_0.IFO'

14:12:50 #4 DVDREALLOC 5 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 965
Backup file 'VTS_04_0.BUP' should be identical to 'VTS_04_0.IFO'

14:12:50 #5 DVDREALLOC 5 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 965
Backup file 'VTS_05_0.BUP' should be identical to 'VTS_05_0.IFO'

14:12:50 #6 DVDREALLOC 5 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 965
Backup file 'VTS_06_0.BUP' should be identical to 'VTS_06_0.IFO'

14:12:50 #7 Phase 117 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
DVD-Video files compliance test failed


Decided to burn the dvd anyway, on a +RW that is, to be safe. The result: no audio at all on my Pioneer DV-360 standalone, all audio on my Philips 625-standalone. No audio problems on pc with PowerDVD. For the record; original plays fine. Copies made with Nero Recode aswell.

On the Pioneer DV-360 the player says 'STOP' after the first title (animated movie-studio logo), Philips plays fine. Other problem, there are two 'trailers' on the disc, one of another movie, one of the Dolby Digital-logo; both are interlaced. The movie itself is progressive. Result: trailers are 'jumping around' like crazy, any way to scan an mpeg if it's progressive or interlaced to encode accordingly?

So it seems there are some problems left to remain fixed, but that's not crazy considering it's only version 0.19 by now. So far I'm impressed, good work!

[jdobbs]

Damn it! I knew about this -- even know what was wrong and forgot to fix it. I'll have it fixed shortly.

[tf]

I get those errors all the time - the one about bup not being identical to ifo. Disc works 100% anyway, so it might be something else?

-tf

[jdobbs]

@oCe

The newest version is 0.21 and it fixes this. It also fixes some other problems that you may be seeing with navigation. You can get it by going to the link on the first post of this thread.

[Raymongo]

Version 0.20 and 0.21 will not let me encode with cce anymore. cce opens and thats all whats hapening. no error but in order to close i have to use CTRL+ALT+DEL. And than when it's clossed an error pops up saying.

Run-time error '55':
File already open

I tried this on Disney's Dumbo. Going to try an other now and see if can reproduce it.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Raymongo
Version 0.20 and 0.21 will not let me encode with cce anymore. cce opens and thats all whats hapening. no error but in order to close i have to use CTRL+ALT+DEL. And than when it's clossed an error pops up saying.

Run-time error '55':
File already open

I tried this on Disney's Dumbo. Going to try an other now and see if can reproduce it. I'm going back to check. Hope I didn't do something stupid...

[quantum]

@jdobbs
Just rebuilt Matchstick Men. Took your advice to not re-encode the whole thing which saved several hours. Upon opening in Zoom Player, the navigational features are working 100% :) Jumping to a specific spot works, and ff and rw work without exiting the movie. Nice work. Now on to the next problem :D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Raymongo
Version 0.20 and 0.21 will not let me encode with cce anymore. cce opens and thats all whats hapening. no error but in order to close i have to use CTRL+ALT+DEL. And than when it's clossed an error pops up saying.

Run-time error '55':
File already open

I tried this on Disney's Dumbo. Going to try an other now and see if can reproduce it. It is running as I type this and appears to be working fine with CCE Basic 2.67. Next I will try eclCCE... but there were no changes to that section of the code in .20 or .21 so I'm hesitant to think it could be related to anything new -- has your configuration changed in any way?

[influenza]

Hi Jdobbs,

asked this before (like a thousand pages back :D ) but wil dvd-Rb transfer button command if they exist within a vobset (like with button over video)?

[jdobbs]

Not yet. It keeps the video, and it keeps the subpicture information, but I haven't implemented the code to keep the Presentation Control Information (PCI) packet information yet. I was looking at possibly doing that when I fixed the "stills" code. I delayed some of the "not-so-common" capabilities so I could get the beta out and tested.

[influenza]

Ah ok, but it is planned :). This is also used a lot for gmes etc, that you find on disney dvds.

What about cell commands are those preserved at the moment?

[oCe]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@oCe

The newest version is 0.21 and it fixes this. It also fixes some other problems that you may be seeing with navigation. You can get it by going to the link on the first post of this thread.

ok, trying 0.21 on Basic now, will post results!

[Raymongo]

i dont know what caused the problem but i tried The Perfect Storm and it went ok. than i thought lets start the whole process over again for Disney's Dumbo. I first decrypted then processed and then tried to encode and this time all went ok.:confused: I did this with version 0.21 .

[Kakashi Sensei]

Hey guys I have waited Five Days to post on the forums, LOL what a wait.

I have a program that Hides CCE durning encoding so it doesn't pop up. A friend wrote it and it works really well. I had the problem of accidently telling CCE to shut down after encode. PM me if you want it or I'll send it to Jdobbs to post as an attachment its only lik 28Kb.

My results so far. I used V 0.18 encoded Angel S1 D4 and it looks pretty good/ the video does skip from time to time. But looks alot better then And Transcoder.

Last thing, If you have the full version of CCE do you need to use eclCCE?? And if you dont does CCE pop up every 20 - 30 seconds??

Thanks alot for the great work and keep those beta's coming

Sensei

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Kakashi Sensei
Hey guys I have waited Five Days to post on the forums, LOL what a wait.

I have a program that Hides CCE durning encoding so it doesn't pop up. A friend wrote it and it works really well. I had the problem of accidently telling CCE to shut down after encode. PM me if you want it or I'll send it to Jdobbs to post as an attachment its only lik 28Kb.

My results so far. I used V 0.18 encoded Angel S1 D4 and it looks pretty good/ the video does skip from time to time. But looks alot better then And Transcoder.

Last thing, If you have the full version of CCE do you need to use eclCCE?? And if you dont does CCE pop up every 20 - 30 seconds??

Thanks alot for the great work and keep those beta's coming

Sensei If you have a newer full version you don't need to use eclCCE. DVD-RB uses the command-line parameters that are supported in later version, but are only supported through eclCCE in earlier ones (e.g. v2.50).

The entire CCE window doesn't pop up (it is minimized), but the encoding status window does.

[Longevity]

I tried to test it but the same error appears as with ifoupdate.

Overflow Error 6

This is a region 3 Bad Boys II that I am trying to back up. I get this error the moment I select to Video_TS directory.

This would be an AWESOME program for all of us. Thanks Jdobb.

[oCe]

@jdobbs:

Well, tested your new version 0.21: same results. Nero burns the dvd fine now though, no more errors in the .bup-files. Problems that remain:

* my Pioneer DV-360 plays the first title, then displays 'STOP', no other titles can't be played. Manual skip (during that 1st title, which is the movie-company's logo) to the 2nd title or menu has no effect.
* on my Pioneer DV-360 no sound at all, just like I read about the DV-430 somewhere in this topic from another user. (the DV-360 and DV-430 are basicly the same)
* on my Philips DVD-625 no problems with playback, all audio channels (dolby digital 5.1 and 2.0 and dts) work without problems. Audio & video are sync, image quality is good (4 pass, CCE 2.67) only interlaced parts (some titles) are totally screwed up. Anyway to indicate or analyze chapters for interlaced mpeg's?

[Pedro Gouveia]

If u try to play the authored VOBS in Media Player Classic the audio don't work either. Maybe something wrong in the navigation packs??

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Pedro Gouveia
If u try to play the authored VOBS in Media Player Classic the audio don't work either. Maybe something wrong in the navigation packs?? Could be. I'm looking into that right now.

[DMagic1]

As a temporary fix, I found that running the output movie thru Shrink fixes the chapter point skipping video problems and may fix sound problem for others.

Shrink usually wouldn't accept the movie. It would say failed to open VTS_01_6.VOB, where VTS_01_5.VOB was the last VOB in the movie.

I got around this by adding a blank VOB named to the name Shrink was requesting. This blank VOB seems to need 6 vob_ids in it or more. At least for my movie it did. Any less and Shrink would ask for VTS_01_7.VOB.

Once the blank VOB was added Shrink accepted the movie and I set everything for no compression. The final result didnt have the fake VOB that I added at all.

I didn't know if everyone knew this or not but I thought I'd share the info. As I said this is just a temp solution. I hope that jdobbs bangs out the rest of the bugs soon.

[smlong426]

I'm using Rebuilder .19 and CCE 2.50/EclCCE. I have so far tried this combination of software with about 8 movies. All work flawlessly with PowerDVD 5.0 as well as my two DVD players (Cyberhome CH-DVD 500 and Zenith XBV342 DVD/VCR combo). I did get errors with other versions of CCE (like with 2.66, encoding would work fine, but Rebuild would fail).

So far, the software is working flawlessly. I will have to try out some other stand alone DVD players, but, like I said, everything I have tested so far works perfectly (fast forward/rewind, chapter points, menus, subtitles) with the two players that I have.

Thanks for this proggie, jdobbs.

[redfive19]

@jdobbs

I've set the Film Threshold to 50% and it looks better but there is still evidence of a shaky picture especially in fast camera movements. Any ideas? (BTW, this is on Buena Vista Social Club) The picture looks amazing just jumpy frames. I am grateful for this app!!

BTW, using CCE 2.67.00.23 with ECLCCE 1.7b and RB v.21

-redfive

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by redfive19
@jdobbs

I've set the Film Threshold to 50% and it looks better but there is still evidence of a shaky picture especially in fast camera movements. Any ideas? (BTW, this is on Buena Vista Social Club) The picture looks amazing just jumpy frames. I am grateful for this app!!

BTW, using CCE 2.67.00.23 with ECLCCE 1.7b and RB v.21

-redfive Did you try going in the other direction -- say 90%?

[redfive19]

Nope will do that tonite and post the results tommorow. BTW, what exactly does this film threshold do?

[jdobbs]

When scanning the original stream DVD-RB looks at each frame and determines whether it is presented as full speed (29.97 frames per second) or telecined -- meaning it is stored at 23.976 frames per second with a flag saying to repeat a field at certain intervals to bring the total speed up to 29.97.

Often (for example a movie that is FILM based) you will find sources that are 100% telecined, but occasionally you get one that is a mixture. In that case you have to determine whether to treat the entire stream as telecined or straight NTSC. The threshold sets a point at which the decision is made one way or the other. If you set it to 70% then it will assume telecined if at least 70% of the source is telecined...

[quantum]

I thought you split the video when it changed from telicide to interlaced. If not, I think we need the option to use CCE's pulldown feature on anything that is questionable.

[djan]

Hi jdobbs,

You implemented the VBR_Bias and Quality_Prec but can you a give a small explanation of the use of these parameters please ? Because I don't understand for what use it is and I would like to use them if I can make a better output. Thx.

[redfive19]

@jdobbs
Well I tried again on Buena Vista Social Club this time turning the threshold to 90% and it's even worse then before (jumpy picture). I am out of ideas! I donated to your app last night because I think it's the future of backups with CCE.

-redfive

[Paced]

Originally posted by redfive19
@jdobbs
Well I tried again on Buena Vista Social Club this time turning the threshold to 90% and it's even worse then before (jumpy picture). I am out of ideas! I donated to your app last night because I think it's the future of backups with CCE.

-redfive

Just out of curiocity, is the DVD interlaced? If so, this may be a wrong field order issue - I'm just pulling at straws here.

[redfive19]

Yes the DVD is interlaced.

[quantum]

My first guess is TFF / BFF is not being correctly set. I don't know if it's even attempted to be detected and set. It will be an important matter but I think jdobbs has some more pressing matters to deal with first.

[Paced]

Originally posted by quantum
My first guess is TFF / BFF is not being correctly set. I don't know if it's even attempted to be detected and set. It will be an important matter but I think jdobbs has some more pressing matters to deal with first.

Agreed.

@redfive19

Try running DVD-RB in 'three-click' mode, and once you've finished preparing the DVD, open the resulting .ECL with notepad, and try changing all instances of "offset_line" (I think that's the parameter) to the opposite of what it is now, i.e. 0 --> 1. Once you've finished editing, save the file, and continue with encoding/rebuilding.

[rayvt]

Useing DVD-RB 0.19 & 21, at the end, it says "invalid VIDEO_TS.IFO", and errors off. I've tried both rejig and QuEnc, and get the same problem. With rejig, I could open the movie (with WinDVD), but the sound was seriously out of sync).

[redfive19]

I don't see anything by that name. Here's a copy from the ECL for the first file to be encoded:


[item]
title=V01000000001001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.vaf
aud_file=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=480
frame_rate_idx=4
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=4079
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=1
dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=3
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frm=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
create_new_vaf=1
credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000
h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8
qmat_idx=0
vid_file0=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.m2v
vid_file1=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
video_type=4
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=9000
vbr_bias=10
vbr_pass=4
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
quality_prec=25
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

[jdobbs]

It changes depending on the version of CCE you are using. In yours it would be top_first=1

[redfive19]

@jdobbs
okay bro. thanks for the info. Is this going to be added in a future version of the app?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by rayvt
Useing DVD-RB 0.19 & 21, at the end, it says "invalid VIDEO_TS.IFO", and errors off. I've tried both rejig and QuEnc, and get the same problem. With rejig, I could open the movie (with WinDVD), but the sound was seriously out of sync). DVD-RB does a sanity check. If the VIDEO_TS file doesn't start with the correct header you get this error. You have either a corrupted or non-existent VIDEO_TS file.

[wmansir]

Regarding TFF/BFF aka Line Offset.

I know Jdobbs said he was performing pulldown if needed on the fly during rebuilding. Would it be possible to encode the video as is (line offset = 0, Topfirst=0) and then set the TFF flag during the rebuilding step, if needed?

[redfive19]

well I am completely lost. changing the field order did not work. I tried it on another of my DVD's, Sunset Blvd, and it worked splendingly but that DVD is progressive.

Has anyone had a similiar experience?

[dvdRENEGADE]

@redfive19

If you want to, you can encode any hybrid source or interlaced source as interlaced to avoid any potential problems with ivtc. If you think you've done this and have tried reversing fields and it still gives problems, you obviously are not simply encoding as interlaced or have a problem outside of the encode process. Try encoding as interlaced and see what happens.
dvdRENEGADE

[issa]

The TopFieldFirst or "Offset Line" should set to 0 or uncheck it in all case, since CCE is always output as "Top Field First".
Take a look in CCE Forum FAQ #10 & #11 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770)
I recommand using Restream to turn off TopFieldFirst flag after you do the encoding if you have bottom field first source.

[redfive19]

Thing is, my source is top first. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I will try restream anyway and fool around with it.

[quantum]

Originally posted by issa
The TopFieldFirst or "Offset Line" should set to 0 or uncheck it in all case, since CCE is always output as "Top Field First".
Take a look in CCE Forum FAQ #10 & #11 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770)
Look at the FAQ again. If the video is interlaced and BFF then you have to set it. Not doing this correctly is exactly what causes jerky frames.

Another case not listed in the FAQ, you have to set it correctly if you use the CCE pulldown feature.

[jir591]

Can someone explain the advantages, if any, of using a later version of CCE 2.5 with DVD-RB?

thanks

[djan]

Originally posted by jir591
Can someone explain the advantages, if any, of using a later version of CCE 2.5?

thanks I would like to know too. Is there any quality difference ? Thx.

[mikegun]

hi,

I'm sure that a search in the forums will give you tons of threats regarding this topic

mikegun

[jir591]

Originally posted by mikegun
hi,

I'm sure that a search in the forums will give you tons of threats regarding this topic

mikegun

Really .... never thought of that !!

Quite frankly I didn't want tons. Maybe one sentence would do.

[mikegun]

Originally posted by jir591
Really .... never thought of that !!

Maybe one sentence would do.

I understand. but afaik there is not that kind of answer...
I could answer "not really" ;-)

rgds.

mikegun

[geffroman]

Don't be mean to Mike... after all he is already cursed wih being the One Inch Man... :)

[mikegun]

Originally posted by geffroman
Don't be mean to Mike... after all he is already cursed wih being the One Inch Man... :)

life is hard pal :-) ...
...and thanks for your support.

m.

[robw]

Can someone explain the advantages, if any, of using a later version of CCE 2.5 with DVD-RB?

yes, it's very simple. CCE 2.67 basic is the only affordable version.

[Old1]

Can I use the one click mode with CCE 2.5 SP without ECLCCE? Will the command line sequence work OK?.

Thanks

Old1

[jdobbs]

No. CCE 2.50 doesn't have inherent command line support.

[bocinko]

... request to jdobbs:
is possible to replace one of AC3 [same size and playtime] with external one in your DVD-RB ?
If isn't, may be ? ... in future.
I want to do some DVD's dubbed with my 3rd world language.
I did them over 20, but it takes me ages and ages to do that.
If some software supports this option, just let me know.
many thanx...

sorry for my english [that's what i want my lang dubbed DVD's]

keep your great work alive.

thanx
...B

m

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by bocinko
... request to jdobbs:
is possible to replace one of AC3 [same size and playtime] with external one in your DVD-RB ?
If isn't, may be ? ... in future.
I want to do some DVD's dubbed with my 3rd world language.
I did them over 20, but it takes me ages and ages to do that.
If some software supports this option, just let me know.
many thanx...


The only way I can think of doing that would be to use the big 3 process. Then name your external file the same as the main ac3 file, and then overwrite the main ac3 file with your external one. Then when you run ScenAid your external one will be included in the scp script. In Scenarist, change the language to your language and follow the rest of the big 3 process.

Hope this helps.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by bocinko
... request to jdobbs:
is possible to replace one of AC3 [same size and playtime] with external one in your DVD-RB ?
If isn't, may be ? ... in future.
I want to do some DVD's dubbed with my 3rd world language.
I did them over 20, but it takes me ages and ages to do that.
If some software supports this option, just let me know.
many thanx...

sorry for my english [that's what i want my lang dubbed DVD's]

keep your great work alive.

thanx
...B

m Actually that shouldn't be that hard to do. First, though, I want to concentrate on getting the major bugs out. Remind me again.

[bocinko]

.... sure i'm doing it that way [but big3's is to complicated].
This mean AGEA AND AGES.
If main movie is single PGC [the best case] i use IfoEdit's DVD authoring + IfoUpdate ... but ... in both cases i need a lot of time and free space.
I know about 10 combinations and i need 1 - quick.
I mean some like VirtualDUB with DivX.
I need to do the authoring many times 'til i'm satisfied with opening mouth in right time, gunshots etc.

[if i used some wrong words, sorry, my PC translator is 5 years old]

Anyway thanx for interest.


..:B

[bocinko]

What means ... Remind me again.

Later. If Later ... When.

thank you

[jdobbs]

It means -- don't let me forget.

[redfive19]

Okay I tried the app on my Total Training For Adobe After Effects 6 DVD. The source DVD is interlaced and the final product still shows signs of jagged-ness (best way to describe it!) when say someone's hand moves. It almost looks like something was ghosted. Very very odd. Other than that, the output looks great. Picture is clear. Plus, I was able to backup this dvd and have it work. I was NOT able to do that with the BIG3 method. So kudos jdobbs. Just wish this interlaced problem was fixed!

[redfive19]

Okay, I used CCE 2.50 on the Buena Vista Social Club DVD. This time I took the exported M2V files and brought a couple into Adobe Encore DVD. I authored the dvd and I no longer see the artifacts I once did. So I will leave this go overnight and see if DVD RB fixes the interlaced problem by using CCE 2.50!

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Next up on the agenda is:
1. Allocating bitrates proportionally to each cell based upon the original bit distribution
2. Settings so bitrates can be different between VTSs so more can be allocated to the movie and less to VTSs holding extras.
3. Improvements so stills are better supported.
Hi jdobbs,

Are these todo's always in your agenda ? :) Because I'm specially waiting for the bitrate allocation. It'll give much better quality. I think it should not be too difficult to implement. When do you intend to add it ? :)

[RobertR]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Actually that shouldn't be that hard to do. First, though, I want to concentrate on getting the major bugs out. Remind me again.
Can i assume that replacing of subpic stream shouldn't be more trouble? Can i remind you about this issue when you will be closing on 1.0 release?
(still trying to find a way to squeeze polish subs into dvdr :D)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RobertR
Can i assume that replacing of subpic stream shouldn't be more trouble? Can i remind you about this issue when you will be closing on 1.0 release?
(still trying to find a way to squeeze polish subs into dvdr :D) It depends on the format of the subs. Right now I take existing subs as-is with no processing. If you have a completely compiled sub stream that is ready to be merged, yet it can be done fairly easily. But if all you have is text with times -- I'd have to write quite a bit of code to support it. I think there are other packages that might do that...

[lighty]

Originally posted by RobertR
Can i assume that replacing of subpic stream shouldn't be more trouble? Can i remind you about this issue when you will be closing on 1.0 release?


Well, you certainly have my vote on it! ;)

[RobertR]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It depends on the format of the subs. Right now I take existing subs as-is with no processing. If you have a completely compiled sub stream that is ready to be merged, yet it can be done fairly easily. But if all you have is text with times -- I'd have to write quite a bit of code to support it. I think there are other packages that might do that...
Compiled sub stream in some known and supported by other application format is all that's needed (hmm this would mean .sup format? most probably yes). There is realy now reason for you to waste your time on coding stuff like actually compiling sub streams. Your work on this app as well as on IfoUpdate is more precious for us (us being so selfish :D).
As for donations i would gladly do that but PayPal is no option for people living in Poland :( Could You consider some other ways of donating?

[Longevity]

Jdobbs,

Will you be able to fix the run-time erro 6 'overflow' problem? I am excited just by reading all the postings and cannot wait to test it out.

[rayvt]

Okay on the "bad VIDEO_TS.IFO" error. I had ripped the DVD with smartripper, and only kept the main movie. When I re-ripped the whole thing, dvd-rb worked fine.

Problem is-----I only wanted the main movie, not all that other cr*p. The movie is 5.6GB and the whole DVD is 7.7GB. Doing the movie only, dvd-rb used 85% compression, and doing the entire DVD was around 50%. I hate to waste all those bits on inane directors comments and trailers and "the-making-of" items that I will never watch.

I guess I was just assuming that dvd-rb would work like DVDShrink and let me pick just the main movie. Any suggestions here? Any plans for dvd-rb to allow one to specify which vob sets to include and which to omit?

I'm assuming that the primary reason for writing dvd-rb was to be able to use a rejig/quenc/cce as (presumably) higher-quality re-encoder(s) than whatever DVDShrink uses, right?

BTW, it might be nice if you could have two "work directories", one for the intermediate AVS files and one for the final VIDEO_TS files. That way, you could put them on different physical hard drives and hopefully increase the speed. Watching the performance graphs, it looks like the CPU utilization is low and the disk is running flat-out.

Ah...one more thing. If there are special characters (like space, parenthesis, etc.) anywhere in the directory names, dvd-rb gets horribly confused---everything after that character is dropped, and it can't find the files.

Thanks,
Ray

[lab-one]

@rayvt

Problem is-----I only wanted the main movie, not all that other cr*p. The movie is 5.6GB and the whole DVD is 7.7GB. Doing the movie only, dvd-rb used 85% compression, and doing the entire DVD was around 50%. I hate to waste all those bits on inane directors comments and trailers and "the-making-of" items that I will never watch.

First, amen to the above....

I guess I was just assuming that dvd-rb would work like DVDShrink and let me pick just the main movie. Any suggestions here? Any plans for dvd-rb to allow one to specify which vob sets to include and which to omit?

Second, I have used DVDShrink (no compression) on 2 movies that I have then ran through DVD-RB. I removed everything except the main movie and the audio streams and have absolutely no problems (except the FF/RW issues that have been fixed since). Might want to try this if smartripper isn't working.

[jdobbs]

@rayvtAh...one more thing. If there are special characters (like space, parenthesis, etc.) anywhere in the directory names, dvd-rb gets horribly confused---everything after that character is dropped, and it can't find the files. ???? I have spaces in my output all the time. But I'll test it tonight.

[robw]

Just a comment on what you want ... main movie only (yes/no), extras, menus, etc.

I use the following workflow which has been very satisfactory and works excellent with DVD-RB and gives me all the options.

1. Rip the DVD to HD using DVDStripper
http://www.dvdstripper.com/
This program works in conjunction with DVD Decrypter and IFOEdit. It will copy the DVD and let you choose what to keep and what to toss. You simply double click on the elements in your DVD and decide what goes and what stays. It will then take the pieces and reconstruct a working DVD on your HD in a VIDEO_TS folder of your choosing.

2. Run DVD-RB

3. Run DVDReMake.
http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremake/index.php
First you read in the DVD from DVD-RB folder, next eliminate any menu items if you eliminated stuff in step 1 (this isn't required, it just makes your menus look better). Finally, write out your DVD to a new directory. All the VOB/IFO navigation stuff is updated.

Give this a try. I'm quite sure many of you will like this approach.

[psdos]

jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL")

[GooglyBear]

Originally posted by psdos
jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL")

umm.. I use CCE 2.67.00.23 and it worked fine.. I loaded up the rundown iso on daemon tools and let 1click do its thing.. i even used 30 for the prec and vbr-5 pass.. 12+ hours later it finished without a flaw..

odd enough i'm re-running it right now after first using dvdshrink on it since last night it crapped out on me.. hopefully this one goes straight through as well if not i'm off to the bug thread for research/report :scared:

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL")

Install AviSynth 2.54 to the default dir and copy mpeg2dec3dg.dll to the C:\Program Files\AviSynth\Plugins directory. :)

[psdos]

what options for CCE 2.67.00.23?
Basic 2.67+?

P.D. error is open CCE but it dont anything

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
what options for CCE 2.67.00.23?
Basic 2.67+?

P.D. error is open CCE but it dont anything

No. 2.66+

Write me your mail. I'll send you config file. :o)

[hypo20]

Ok.

Here's my configuration for DVD-RB 0.23 and CCE SP 2.66 and higher.
eclCCE and DVD-RB 0.23 also included. Just put CCE and files in archive to the same dir and run dvd-rb.

@jdobbs
If you have something against distributing on my server, please let me know, and I will remove it.

http://www.columnium.com/hypo/dvdrb/dvdrbini.zip

[psdos]

the link is break, i dont download

[hypo20]

Whops. Link updated. My mistake. :)

[hypo20]

confid there updated.

[psdos]

Ok RB open now eclCCE and compress.
One think more, i put 4 pass and i see only 3 to you too?

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
Ok RB open now eclCCE and compress.
One think more, i put 4 pass and i see only 3 to you too?

I'm using standard 2-pass VBR encoding.

[psdos]

Error 9 in run time ohhhh the film is episode 1 star wars, error is for multi angle?

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
Error 9 in run time ohhhh the film is episode 1 star wars, error is for multi angle?

I think yes. It is not supporting multiangles at this time.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by psdos
jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL") Go back through the thread and find references to the registry entry for AVISYNTH -- that's where your problem is. Also make sure MPEG2DEC.DLL is located in the AVISYNTH plug-in directory. I'd also recommend you use MPEG2DEC3dg. My parsing of the D2V files is based upon the dg versions (so there are no missing frames).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
Ok.

Here's my configuration for DVD-RB 0.23 and CCE SP 2.66 and higher.
eclCCE and DVD-RB 0.23 also included. Just put CCE and files in archive to the same dir and run dvd-rb.

@jdobbs
If you have something against distributing on my server, please let me know, and I will remove it.

http://www.columnium.com/hypo/dvdrb/dvdrbini.zip As long as it stays up-to-date. The changes are being made daily, and I want to avoid getting bug reports on older versions. You'll notice that I've been deleting the older versions from this site as I go.

[hypo20]

Originally posted by jdobbs
As long as it stays up-to-date. The changes are being made daily, and I want to avoid getting bug reports on older versions. You'll notice that I've been deleting the older versions from this site as I go.

I'll be updating it too. Don't worry, I fully understand to you. :)

[jdobbs]

Just a note to all. I think I found what was causing the resizing error (only when using CCE). But, I posted before making a full test (it takes a while for a CCE encode). I'm hoping it correctly sizes now -- please let me know what sizes you are getting from the new calculation.

To all the beta testers: I sincerely thank you for your time and trouble.

[hypo20]

Originally posted by hypo20
http://www.columnium.com/hypo/dvdrb/dvdrbini.zip

Ok. Tested 0.24 version with this config. Link updated to last version. Put CCE and files inside archive to the same dir and work. :)

[zakmccrack]

Dear friends,
I`m new in the english forum of Doom9 :scared:

I`m writing a little utility {is in italian but there are only 2 buttons} that fix all the AVS file adding the line LoadPlugIn just with one click

If you need download the file above and remove `.txt` estension at the file

http://forum.doom9.it/download.php?id=624


ZakMcCrack:)

[Hoox]

@jdobbs:

Hi. Looks like you are making great progress. I'm still getting the Run-time error: '9' though :(

Im using DVD-RB 0.24
CCE 2.66.01.07 with ECLCCE 1.7b
Trying to backup "The Life of David Gale" R2.
I have ripped the dvd with DVDDecrypter and mounted with Daemon-Tools.

It looks like DVD-RB encodes all the small files but skips the big main movie and goes to Phase III - ReBuilding.
It gives me the Error 9 when trying to process VTS_02 wich is the not-encoded main movie.

[Roe5685]

i put this on two machines where i have no problem doing cce 2.5 by hand or using dvd2dvdr. with rebuilder on the one machine it freezes somewhere along the way. on the other machine it hits various runtime errors like "invalid property state". i must say that as the new rebuilds come out i seem to be getting further.
i tried rejig and it wanted me to put in a number from 1 to 100. i actually did this while i was having coffee but after two cups of coffee it was still asking for 1 to 100 input as if i was in a lottery so i had to abort.

my question is to the readers who seem to have gotten a lot further than me is do you have any suggestions at a basic level so i can get further alont with rebuilder?

what a fun interface!

rosemary.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Roe5685
i put this on two machines where i have no problem doing cce 2.5 by hand or using dvd2dvdr. with rebuilder on the one machine it freezes somewhere along the way. on the other machine it hits various runtime errors like "invalid property state". i must say that as the new rebuilds come out i seem to be getting further.
i tried rejig and it wanted me to put in a number from 1 to 100. i actually did this while i was having coffee but after two cups of coffee it was still asking for 1 to 100 input as if i was in a lottery so i had to abort.

my question is to the readers who seem to have gotten a lot further than me is do you have any suggestions at a basic level so i can get further alont with rebuilder?

what a fun interface!

rosemary. Put in a number? Where does that come from?

[Roe5685]

To answer your question:
Rejig puts a screen up that it is compressing. It tells you 55% or whatever and the program continures. However my screen came up 103% and rejig put up a small rectangle for the user to pick a number from 1 to 100 and the 103% was highlighted on the larger screen. We all understand the issue here and I supplied the number. The screen came back up and I arbitarily supplied new % numbers several times before I gave up. i.e. I kept moving the number supplied downwards towards zero.
Further information:
I just tried on a third computer used to do cce projects by hand ( and sometimes with dvd2dvdr ) to do a cce 2.5 and then a rejig job with rebuilder but kept getting "run time error "9" subscript out of range error". ( I had just processed this movie with dvd2avi,cce, ifoedit etc ). I then switched to from the lost in translation movie only decoded by dvddecrypter to a different movie chicago also on the hard drive and tried again with rejig. Chicago has reached video demuxing stage. ( I have reached this stage before ).
All of the above work was on NTSC material. I have not tried processing any PAL DVD's.
Good luck . Happy to help.

Rosemary.

[Roe5685]

I switched from using arbitrarily lost in translation and transporter to chicago and am getting further with my rebuilder attempts but have not yet completed once.
Have given up for the time being with cce 2.5 as I keep getting run time errors and additionally when i finish stage one it asks me for the cce 2.5 path which is in already in place but it does not proceed unless you put the cc2 2.5 path for the other two cce's.
On rejig I got to the end and at that point it said on the screen in addition to "100%" :
correcting VTS sectors
Improper Video_TS.Ifo file
Aborting

Does anybody have a clue what to do here?
Like maybe I should erase the ifo file?

Rosemary

[Offline]

At first I had the "subscript out of range error" and the orange stripes on the video problem using CCE 2.5 (full version) and 2.6x (Trial) plus EclCCE.

As well as following advice from this forum
(re: Mpeg2dec3 plugin fix + Resample Audio fix) I found that to get rid of both problems
I had to uninstall my copy of DVD2SVCD and AVISYNTH 2.5x, reinstall Avisynth 2.53. (latest version)and run Rebuilder in 3 click mode.

So far I tested 2 PAL progressive titles (one at half d1) with
impressive results (Q set at 5, passes at 4) using CCE 2.5 and
ReJig (with less impressive results of course ):D

[paulers]

Hi Everyone,

I apologize if this issue was covered before. I am using dvdrb .16 and CCe 2.5 and in small parts of the movie the audio is out of sync for a couple seconds. Any suggestions? The rest of the movie looks great!

I just read that there is a newer version of dvdrb out. Do you think this may fix my problem?

[tf]

Follow the ancient advice:

"Whenever in doubt, try"

;-)

-tf

[hypo20]

Originally posted by paulers
Hi Everyone,

I apologize if this issue was covered before. I am using dvdrb .16 and CCe 2.5 and in small parts of the movie the audio is out of sync for a couple seconds. Any suggestions? The rest of the movie looks great!

I just read that there is a newer version of dvdrb out. Do you think this may fix my problem?

.16??? 100yrs behind monkeys.

jdobbs is making big steps with every version, and now it's .24!!!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Roe5685
To answer your question:
Rejig puts a screen up that it is compressing. It tells you 55% or whatever and the program continures. However my screen came up 103% and rejig put up a small rectangle for the user to pick a number from 1 to 100 and the 103% was highlighted on the larger screen. We all understand the issue here and I supplied the number. The screen came back up and I arbitarily supplied new % numbers several times before I gave up. i.e. I kept moving the number supplied downwards towards zero.
Further information:
I just tried on a third computer used to do cce projects by hand ( and sometimes with dvd2dvdr ) to do a cce 2.5 and then a rejig job with rebuilder but kept getting "run time error "9" subscript out of range error". ( I had just processed this movie with dvd2avi,cce, ifoedit etc ). I then switched to from the lost in translation movie only decoded by dvddecrypter to a different movie chicago also on the hard drive and tried again with rejig. Chicago has reached video demuxing stage. ( I have reached this stage before ).
All of the above work was on NTSC material. I have not tried processing any PAL DVD's.
Good luck . Happy to help.

Rosemary. That's a bug I've recently fixed. If you get a value greater than 100% that means your original disk is already small enough to fit on a DVD-R and there is no reason to compress it. I forgot to check for that -- so my code made the assumption that it could compress at a rate of 103% -- luckily Nic's ReJig software knows better and catches it.

Even more interesting is if you try this with CCE. It will actually redo all of the cells at a bitrate that is 107% of the original. Of course the quality can never be better than the original so there really is never a good time to do this.

[quantum]

@jdobbs: Enough talk. Yesterday we didn't have a new version of dvd-rb and this disappointed me greatly. It's getting late today and this concerns me that we may not have an update today. That would be two days in a row without an update. Please try to work harder to prevent lapses like this in the future. :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quantum
@jdobbs: Enough talk. Yesterday we didn't have a new version of dvd-rb and this disappointed me greatly. It's getting late today and this concerns me that we may not have an update today. That would be two days in a row without an update. Please try to work harder to prevent lapses like this in the future. :) Yeah. My wife wanted me to actually go out to dinner tonight. Can you believe it? I may not have another version until tomorrow. I'm trying to make sure the fixes are really in this time -- I was very excited about the code I used in .24 and released it before thoroughly testing. I was a little depressed to see it didn't fix the pixelation/program problems. I've since gone back and done more comparisons only to find that I have some audio packet offset problems in the NAVPACK. I looked at my values and thought they were right, but it disagrees with the output of other programs so my understanding of the standard must be wrong. That really sucks... now I have to do some (gulp) research.

[Trahald]

yeah.. wives are funny like that sometimes. go figure.

[robw]

Any married man should forget his mistakes, - there's no use in two people remembering the same thing. :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robw
Any married man should forget his mistakes, - there's no use in two people remembering the same thing. :) LOL

[sidders]

Will it be possible in later versions to adjust the bitrate between the extras and the main movie, ratehr than have the same bitrate for all?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by sidders
Will it be possible in later versions to adjust the bitrate between the extras and the main movie, ratehr than have the same bitrate for all? Absolutely. But any/all enhancements have to wait until I fix the existing bugs.

[paulers]

Hi everyone,

I have a size question.


I was using dvdrb v.16 and CCE 2.50 when I processed School of Rock with 4 passes and it came out to be 4.3g. Lastnight I switched to dvdrb v.24 and processed the same move adding an additional pass (totaling 5) and the total size came out to be 3.6g. Did I forget to adjust an option? Why would the movie come out so much smaller?

thanks for all your help! :)

[robw]

JDobbs has already explained. Its an inadvertant error that snuck in and will be fixed in the next release (today?).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by paulers
Hi everyone,

I have a size question.


I was using dvdrb v.16 and CCE 2.50 when I processed School of Rock with 4 passes and it came out to be 4.3g. Lastnight I switched to dvdrb v.24 and processed the same move adding an additional pass (totaling 5) and the total size came out to be 3.6g. Did I forget to adjust an option? Why would the movie come out so much smaller?

thanks for all your help! :) It is a sizing bug that was introduced in v0.22 -- it's fixed and will be in v0.25.

[tf]

Here's hoping it WON'T be in 0.25 - the bug, that is! ;-)

-tf

[djan]

Isn't the time to close this topic and continue in the two other topics specially opened the one for "suggestions and comments" and the other for "errors and bugs" ? Because we become a little confused to read all the 3 topics for one program.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by djan
Isn't the time to close this topic and continue in the two other topics specially opened the one for "suggestions and comments" and the other for "errors and bugs" ? Because we become a little confused to read all the 3 topics for one program.

I agree.

[nurseman]

I'm a rookie at this... and sorry about my english!
I have found all kind of problems in the use of RB and i want to now if anybody as already try the DVD ReBuilder in a Episode DVD? like "The Sex & The City" or "Space 1999"

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nurseman
I'm a rookie at this... and sorry about my english!
I have found all kind of problems in the use of RB and i want to now if anybody as already try the DVD ReBuilder in a Episode DVD? like "The Sex & The City" or "Space 1999" It should work fine with episodic DVDs. What kind of problems are you experiencing? I've found that many of the problems are associated with incorrect installation. You may want to read the setup instructions on this post/page. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&postid=465822)

[kilg0r3]

@ jdopps
Hi,
I know, with this post, I definitely run the risk of getting bashed by all people who have already read the other similar posts in the New AV-Formats Codec forum. But anyway ...

For DVD2SVCD there is the famous RoBa plugin which dramatically reduces encoding time with CCE because instead of doing one or even multiple analysis passes, it just analyzes (well sort off) 2% of the movie about 5 times an then starts a full encode at a fixed quality setting. This prediction method is of course not as accurate as the 'original' but up to now I have never seen under/oversizings larger than 4%, and, the good thing is that you can specify how to handle oversizing. RoBa can either do a full second pass or, if the size deviation is not larger than a specified percentage it uses the included requantizer to reduce the filesize.
The full description (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64886) is in the DVD2SVCD Basics section.

IMveryHO, it looks like it would not be too difficult to implement this kind of functionality because the plugin is already cce based, and, wouldn't it be cool to finish a 120min DVD in ab out the same time?

Cheers, kilg0r3

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by kilg0r3
@ jdopps
Hi,
I know, with this post, I definitely run the risk of getting bashed by all people who have already read the other similar posts in the New AV-Formats Codec forum. But anyway ...

For DVD2SVCD there is the famous RoBa plugin which dramatically reduces encoding time with CCE because instead of doing one or even multiple analysis passes, it just analyzes (well sort off) 2% of the movie about 5 times an then starts a full encode at a fixed quality setting. This prediction method is of course not as accurate as the 'original' but up to now I have never seen under/oversizings larger than 4%, and, the good thing is that you can specify how to handle oversizing. RoBa can either do a full second pass or, if the size deviation is not larger than a specified percentage it uses the included requantizer to reduce the filesize.
The full description (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64886) is in the DVD2SVCD Basics section.

IMveryHO, it looks like it would not be too difficult to implement this kind of functionality because the plugin is already cce based, and, wouldn't it be cool to finish a 120min DVD in ab out the same time?

Cheers, kilg0r3 I'm familiar with RoBa. I also stand a possible thrashing if I even voice an opinion about the RoBa method that is contrary to Dogma. But in my very humble opinion (please be gentle with me, those of you who worship at this alter) -- you can't get the same level of quality from single pass encoding because it defies the laws of physics.

Don't get me wrong -- you can get OUTSTANDING results, and in many instances where the bandwidth is enough you won't be able to tell the difference between RoBa and 2 Pass encoding... but when the going gets tough and bits are at a premium (which is often the case with full-DVD recompression) you really need to spread the available bits across a large VBR consideration area.

A single pass VBR encoder must make its bitrate allocations based upon a small domain (could be a GOP, or some fixed buffer size -- I'm not sure what CCE uses). It then applies whatever rate it needs to reach a certain quality level within that domain. In RoBa, all you are doing in the first phase is trying to find out what Q must be used to get the size under control.

But -- for those who really want to speed up the process, I will put this on my wish list... you're right that it wouldn't be that hard.

[kilg0r3]

Thank you.

[paulers]

I tried the rejig feature in .25 and as its processing the files I get the Microsoft Windows error dialog asking me if I wish to send them my error details. if I click "no" dvdrb continues to the next file untill eventually I get an error about subscript out of range or something like that. Is anyone else havine issues like that?

[Mad_Max_73]

Hi Jdobbs...
Don't u think....to remove pixelation between chapters u must encode the stream in one step???
I think is better encode with CCE using chapters points and multiplex the wole thing...:confused:

[nurseman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It should work fine with episodic DVDs. What kind of problems are you experiencing? I've found that many of the problems are associated with incorrect installation. You may want to read the setup instructions on this post/page. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&postid=465822)

i will try the guides posted by you and them i say something about...
at this moment the enconde just don't... encode. The CCE run in a few seconds and start de rebuilder fase (III) without de episodes

[nurseman]

Now what...?
I do by the book and nothing... or worst
I get a runtime error 9 just at the start in the demux

[JvD]

Not a new problem. Jdobbs is working on it. Read about it in previous posts (the bug thread). What movie is it?

PS. Its called rebuild with this sweet little app ;-) DS.

[djan]

Originally posted by nurseman
Now what...?
I do by the book and nothing... or worst
I get a runtime error 9 just at the start in the demux Did you try another DVD ?

[nurseman]

I devote my time to episodes DVD.
I'm working on The Sex & The City Seson 2

Thanks for all the help... Rebuild OK

[CiViC]

Originally posted by Mad_Max_73
Hi Jdobbs...
Don't u think....to remove pixelation between chapters u must encode the stream in one step???
I think is better encode with CCE using chapters points and multiplex the wole thing...:confused:

yeah but it wouldn't be able to handle hybrid dvd's without ivtc then, would it..?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Mad_Max_73
Hi Jdobbs...
Don't u think....to remove pixelation between chapters u must encode the stream in one step???
I think is better encode with CCE using chapters points and multiplex the wole thing...:confused: ???? I don't think I get the connection between pixelation and a whole encode... But, no. There are many reasons why I shouldn't do that -- one of which is that fact that CCE Basic (which is the cheap legal CCE solution) doesn't have a chapter capability.

[r6d2]

@jdobbs,

Not giving up yet. Now trying the same movie with v0.26, three click method.

I have the ECL open with CCE now. I see the BR is always the same. Is there a simple way to have the main movie encoded at higher BR and all the extras encoded at Half-D1?

If not, does it make sense as a useful feature?

[jdobbs]

That'll have to come later. First I need to get rid of all '9' errors, and then enable stills and interleaving (seamless branching and multiple angles).

[casonbang]

I've been trying to backup Baraka (simple DVD with 1 extra) since version .16 but the finished product would always have problems loading the disc or skipping chapters.

Finally with version .26 it works!! It looks like all the issues with chapters have been resolved and the DVD works in all my players.

I'm looking forward to interleaving and encoding extras at a lower bitrate. Thanks for making this high-quality backup method available to those of us without the time for the Big 3!

[unplugged]

Just a little question... what are the cons of Rejig's "minimize disc space requirements" ?
as it's not checked by default.
thanks

[influenza]

I'm familiar with RoBa. I also stand a possible thrashing if I even voice an opinion about the RoBa method that is contrary to Dogma. But in my very humble opinion (please be gentle with me, those of you who worship at this alter) -- you can't get the same level of quality from single pass encoding because it defies the laws of physics.

Hmm if you use the big 3 method you can choose between either roba or multipass vbr. If you choose ROBA it doesn't mean that a single pass encoding is done. Difference is between the first pass that is done: 1 pass VBR against 1 pass constant bitrate I believe. After that some other passes will follow based on the number you've set.

So maybe there's some confusion about the term roba here?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by unplugged
Just a little question... what are the cons of Rejig's "minimize disc space requirements" ?
as it's not checked by default.
thanks Normally DVD-RB demuxes the cells into .MPV files and then uses ReJig on each for reduction -- creating a .M2V file (which is then used in the REBUILD). In "Minimize disc space requirements" the .MPV is deleted immediately after running ReJig. The plus is that you don't need as much available space -- the con is that you can't run ENCODE a second time (the files are gone).

[Mad_Max_73]

ok...anyway...
I've done a backup of Being john malkovich yesterday and it played fine with ritek g4 on my standalone player...
I've noticed pixelation beetwen chapters only on my xbox using ricoh 4x +rw written a full speed, so i think is a read problem...
Will do some more test...
About donation...your paypal mail?

[jdobbs]

The pixelation problems should be a thing of the past (as of v0.26). Paypal mail is DVD-RB@COMCAST.NET

[nwg]

Mad_Max_73 wrote,
I've noticed pixelation between chapters only on my xbox using ricoh 4x +rw written a full speed, so i think is a read problem...

Try writing at a slower speed. I don't go above 2x/2.4x. I have seen pixelating problems when burning too fast.

Did you use 026?

[mayhem2408]

I've set VBR_Passes in settings to 3, the CCE still does 2 passes. the INI file shows eclpasses=3 but the REBUILDER.ECL file only shows vbr_pass=2.

BTW. Love the software. Finally an easy solution with Quality in mind over speed.

[nwg]

I've set VBR_Passes in settings to 3, the CCE still does 2 passes. the INI file shows eclpasses=3 but the REBUILDER.ECL file only shows vbr_pass=2.

The created VAF file is considered a pass and is your 1st pass with two passes by CCE.

[mayhem2408]

Cool. I am use to the way CCE does it. 3 passes is 3 encoding passes. The vaf pass does not count.

I like this software so much, I've made my donation. The Picture quality is incredible. And I like having the option of using rejig for speed or CCE for Quality. I've been waiting for a tool like this for a long time.

[nwg]

The Picture quality is incredible. And I like having the option of using rejig for speed or CCE for Quality. I've been waiting for a tool like this for a long time.


I agree. I also like QuEnc which is a bit faster than CCE and on the discs I did, the quality was just as good. Plus it's free. It just does 2 passes though.

[najt]

What can I use to remove extras before I use DVD Rebuilder? but keep the menus.

[nwg]

What can I use to remove extras before I use DVD Rebuilder? but keep the menus

Process the DVD through Titleset Blanker or DVD Stripper first.

[mayhem2408]

I am preparing a DVD-RB with APOLLO13. It say 94,781/19,500 FRAMES/RFFS. What does RFFS mean?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
I am preparing a DVD-RB with APOLLO13. It say 94,781/19,500 FRAMES/RFFS. What does RFFS mean? That stands for Repeat First Field. It is a flag used in converting 24fps (23.976) FILM sources to 30fps (29.97) used in NTSC television. It takes half of one picture and half of another to create a new frame (for non progressive NTSC players).

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It is a flag used in converting 24fps (23.976) FILM sources to 30fps (29.97) used in NTSC television.Sorry if this is an obvious question, jdobbs, but do you take advantage of force filming/pulldown?

/Add:

As per the Readme,6. When completed -- simply use any burning package (such as B's Recorder Gold, RecordNow Max, or Nero) -- there is usually a package provided with your DVD Burner. You must write two directories (AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS), that will exist in the "Working Path" you specified in step 3.
I don't have an AUDIO_TS folder. Did I do something wrong?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by r6d2
I don't have an AUDIO_TS folder. Did I do something wrong? No. I did. I forgot to create that folder. But that's okay -- it's just an empty folder with that name. Make sure it is all caps.

[r6d2]

Thanks. I guess my other question was too obvious. :o

[jdobbs]

Sorry if this is an obvious question, jdobbs, but do you take advantage of force filming/pulldown?Not at all. Yes I do. You have an option of forcing film or if you can choose automatic film detection. Pulldown is done by my program in the REBUILD phase.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Not at all. Yes I do.Oh, I see. I had seen the option, but all the M2Vs are output at 30fps so I thought it was not taken into account somehow. But looking at the ECL file now I see some of them have the 24 fps setting.

I find your approach to the problem brilliant, jddobs. You just shrink the stuff at low level and keep all the authoring and structure.

Regarding the selectable frame size feature (1/2 D1 for all but the main movie), you could encode all the extras first in OPV mode, Q=30, and then use the available space to allocate the best BR for the movie.

(I've been tempted to post some evidence about OPV being actually better than multipass, but I'd not like to defy the laws of physics.) :D

[blueray]

Regarding the new DVD-RB and DVD2SVCD (DVD TO DVD mode),
I would like to hear some comments from experienced users of both
on how these two would compare (quality of output, ease of use, user control, time required, etc..). I realize the DVD rebuilder is still in beta phase. I mainly like to do movie only, but occasionaly do episodic dvd's. Thanks for your comments.

[kilg0r3]

I wouldn't know how to do episodic dvds in DVD2SVCD. But I am also a n00b in this field

[walkistalki]

Sorry if this question has already been answered, but the thread is getting long...

I found that several programs install a version of dvd2avi. as i couldn't find a setting in dvd-rb, where does it go and find dvd2avidg.exe. how can we verify it uses the fixed version? (i put the MPEG2DEC3dg file in the correct avisynth folder, but what about the executable)

thx for clarifying

[djan]

Originally posted by walkistalki
Sorry if this question has already been answered, but the thread is getting long...

I found that several programs install a version of dvd2avi. as i couldn't find a setting in dvd-rb, where does it go and find dvd2avidg.exe. how can we verify it uses the fixed version? (i put the MPEG2DEC3dg file in the correct avisynth folder, but what about the executable)

thx for clarifying You don't need DVD2AVI, you just need the dll plugin "MPEG2DEC3dg.dll" that you have to put in the AviSynth Plugin directory. It's all.

[djan]

Originally posted by blueray
Regarding the new DVD-RB and DVD2SVCD (DVD TO DVD mode),
I would like to hear some comments from experienced users of both
on how these two would compare (quality of output, ease of use, user control, time required, etc..). I realize the DVD rebuilder is still in beta phase. I mainly like to do movie only, but occasionaly do episodic dvd's. Thanks for your comments. DVDRB can use CCE as encoder, so the quality may be the same. DVDRB is much easier than DVD2SVCD. I think the major people using BIG3 is now using DVDRB. :D It is maybe in beta state but it works like a jewel.

[LEGiON-1]

I can't get DVD-RB to work at all.

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

If I point it to my ECLCCE exe it will run CCE then I get errors saying AVIFileOpen has no program to run the .ECL files created by DVD-RB. I tried associating them with eclCEE but no joy.

This is using 0.27... any ideas?

[robw]

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

you can't use CCE 2.50 directly because it doesn't work with parameters passed on a command line. You need to install EclCCE first. Once EclCCE is installed, run it once. It will ask you where CCE is installed. Then go back to DVDrb and under option->setup insert the path to EclCCE in the box where you enter the path to CCE 2.50 SP.

That should take care of your problem. Good luck.

[LEGiON-1]

Originally posted by robw
you can't use CCE 2.50 directly because it doesn't work with parameters passed on a command line. You need to install EclCCE first. Once EclCCE is installed, run it once. It will ask you where CCE is installed. Then go back to DVDrb and under option->setup insert the path to EclCCE in the box where you enter the path to CCE 2.50 SP.

That should take care of your problem. Good luck.

Nope, that didn't help. The exact wording of the error is:

AVIFileOpen("D:\DVD2\D2VAVS\ITEM.ECL") : According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it.

[robw]

which version of EclCCE are you using? For me version 1.8 had a bug and did not work. I went back to 1.7b and all is fine.

[nwg]

AVIFileOpen("D:\DVD2\D2VAVS\ITEM.ECL") : According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it.

I got the same error with eclCCE 1.8, I went back to 1.7.

[RB]

As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for :)

[jptheripper]

Rb is churning away for me

I did one test (and was up to date on this thread for a while but missed a week, so if this is already asked my apoligies).

Anyone find a loss of menu functionality? i ran a dvd that encoded seemingly perfectly but all the buttons were gone in the menu (menu still there but no buttons, even menuedit reported the buttons were gone).

seems like an odd problem

-jp

[r6d2]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
Not sure if anymore is interested in this.:goodpost: IMHO this is in fact a great idea, mayhem2408!

Although I wonder if extras at Full D1 will look well with such low BRs, and that's when the 1/2 D1 cames in. You could also set half width in CCE in order to achieve that for all VTSs but the main movie.

[geffroman]

IMHO - I find that in most cases menus and extras being much smaller than movie require huge compression to gain much. Compressing 2% to 3% to 10% and more on Extras might only gain 1% on movie... And nothing sets a negative tone for a DVD experience more than when the first thing you see is a horrible looking First Play Menu... Uncomfortable momment: You brag to the buddies about this great quality DVD Backup you do and they come over to watch a flick and up on the screen pops up a pixelated blocky menu video of Spiderman and you sink into your chair explaining... "NO NO NO... I mean the MOVIE is great quality". :eek:

Compared to the movie data, extras and menus are typically already about as bad as they can be... Equal bit rate reduction always make the menus and extras look horrible before the same bit rate will ruin a movie, so taking it a step further to compress the extras even more doesn't make sense TO ME. I would rather give up 0.2% compression on the movie because it might buy me as much as 20% improvement on the opening menu... Now if none of this matters to you a "movie only disc" is a good option... But if you LIKE menus and the whole DVD experience, why then would you want them to look bad when that extra compression on them just doesn't buy you much on the movie...

A 2 disc DVD set with an isolated Bonus Disc sure goes well when all else forces too much compromise... Again, just IMHO.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by LEGiON-1
I can't get DVD-RB to work at all.

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

If I point it to my ECLCCE exe it will run CCE then I get errors saying AVIFileOpen has no program to run the .ECL files created by DVD-RB. I tried associating them with eclCEE but no joy.

This is using 0.27... any ideas? This is a known problem. Go back to v1.7b on eclCCE. It is related to what appears to be a bug in 2.50 with drag-and-drop (eclCCE 1.8). To make it work, I'll try to figure out a way to prevent it from the DVD-RB side.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for :) I'll give it my best shot. But if it isn't related to order in the .ECL I don't know what I could do.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by geffroman
IMHO - I find that in most cases menus and extras being much smaller than movie require huge compression to gain much. Compressing 2% to 3% to 10% and more on Extras might only gain 1% on movie...Good point. However, when encoding the extras at half D1 (352x480/576), you don't lose much quality. You lose some sharpness, of course, but really hard to notice on a regular TV.

In fact, a CVD encode (Half D1) may need as less as 75% the BR of a Full D1, and have the same quantization distribution (i.e. "quality" in encoder terms).

The fact that a great bunch of DVDs have lots of extras pumps up the savings to a significant amount, which you can transfer to the main movie. After all, if keeping an even BR distribution and "top quality" across the original DVD is your target, you might better split it into 2 DVDs and be absolutely happy. ;)

In general, I think the differential quality feature is a nice to have, and of course it would be optional, so you could still have equal BR along the whole set if that is what you're after. IMHO, a much better criteria is to distribute the BR so quantization is uniform, not BR itself. It has been throughly proven that some streams compress much better than others, so why waste BR when not needed?

[E-Male]

i tried making dvdr's at low resolution, but never managed to make them (with subs and multiple audio streams)
seems to me it's not that easy

[r6d2]

Originally posted by E-Male
seems to me it's not that easy Generally available authoring programs are sometimes not powerfull enough for advanced stuff, but I think this would work quite transparently with internal authoring of Rebuilder. But ultimately only jddobs can tell, I think, once (and if) he gets into this feature.

[zur128]

Echoing everyone, this is a great tool. I have two questions on the setup

1. I note that people are talking about multipass in CCE. Where is the options set for the number of passes, especially in the One Click method?

2. In Options/setup, the last application path is MPEG2DEC. Is this meant to be the path for MPEG2DECDG.dll?? The guide in the program just mentioned that the MPEG2DECDG.DLL should be in the Avisynth plugin directory. I assumed that I do not need to set this?? Also what does the "Add to AVS file" check do??

Thanks

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zur128
Echoing everyone, this is a great tool. I have two questions on the setup

1. I note that people are talking about multipass in CCE. Where is the options set for the number of passes, especially in the One Click method?

2. In Options/setup, the last application path is MPEG2DEC. Is this meant to be the path for MPEG2DECDG.dll?? The guide in the program just mentioned that the MPEG2DECDG.DLL should be in the Avisynth plugin directory. I assumed that I do not need to set this?? Also what does the "Add to AVS file" check do??

Thanks
1. Under Options/CCE/Settings
2. Yes. There is more than one version of MPEG2DEC. But now that I think about it, I think I'll change it. Any other version might cause problems since my .D2V generation is designed to work with the DG no-frames-lost version.

[zur128]

Thanks for the personal reply. Still wondering what the check box for "Add to AVS file" does?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zur128
Thanks for the personal reply. Still wondering what the check box for "Add to AVS file" does? If you put the path in it stores if for future use. But it only references it if you check that box. This is made specially for those people who are having problems with the location of MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL.

[onesoul]

@mayhem2408

About the tool you made. Well, I don't think at this stage is a good thing to introduce new things that could fall beyond the grip of jdobbs, imagine people going through bugs because of oustide tools. It would be a better option in my opinion to help the developing by bug reporting, comments and suggestions (ok, I know I'm describing the thread topics :)). Of course the ultimate opinion is from the man, jdobbs.

Cheers

[jdobbs]

I have to agree and ask that anyone who uses any other tools or strippers, or anything before running DVD-RB -- I respectfully request that to all that do -- please don't post any problems you may have. I have enough to do debugging DVD-RB, I can't debug other's software as well.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
New Version V0.11a - Added an option for half width, added a dropdown box to select the VTS you want to modify and autoselects the VTS with the largest number of frames as the main movie.I really don't understand some user comments on proposed features they don't like or don't need, as if they would rather not have them discussed. One of the greatest assets of this forum is innovation that comes from synergy of many minds thinking about the same problem.

Anyway, @mayhem2408, I think you deserve your own thread for this, to keep the clutter low and devoted to RB as jdobbs asked..

I just tried your tool and got a missing "rtl70.bpl" error. The downloaded file is just 31KB. Did I get it all?

[onesoul]

@r6d2

I was just trying to help :/

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by onesoul
@mayhem2408

About the tool you made. Well, I don't think at this stage is a good thing to introduce new things that could fall beyond the grip of jdobbs, imagine people going through bugs because of oustide tools. It would be a better option in my opinion to help the developing by bug reporting, comments and suggestions (ok, I know I'm describing the thread topics :)). Of course the ultimate opinion is from the man, jdobbs.

Cheers

I agree. Bug reporting in necessary. But seeing as I have nothing to report at this time, I decided to make a donation instead. I have been encoding 2 to 3 movies per day with ReBuilder. And apart from the interleaving movies issue, I have nothing to report as a bug. My only suggestion was to be able to select different compression ratios for different VTSs as I feel a higher quality movie is better than an OK quality Movie and OK Extras. That's why I starting writing the program.

As example of why I want this option. The Movie AKIRA takes up nearly a full DVD at 8.3 Gig. 60% of the DVD is the Movie and 40% is the Extras. The Bitrate for the Movie when recompressed with ReBuilder is a very low 2400kbit which is 48% the size of the original. I wanted the Movie to be at least 3000. After running my program over the ECL file the Movie is now at 3000 with a new compression ration of 60% and the Bitrate of the Extras is lowered so that the total file size is unchanged.

Until such time as everyone is happy with ReBuilder. I am pulling the download.

[jdobbs]

No... don't pull it. I don't want to get in the way of progress and other folks who are in your situation may find it useful. All I ask is that if they run into a problem when using your software (or any other software) that they please verify that the problem occurs without the additional software before posting a bug report. Maybe a little "warning" might help.

I appreciate any and all time anyone puts into testing and seeing how they can improve this package.

Thanks -- jdobbs

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by jdobbs
No... don't pull it. I don't want to get in the way of progress and other folks who are in your situation may find it useful. All I ask is that if they run into a problem when using your software (or any other software) that they please verify that the problem occurs without the additional software before posting a bug report. Maybe a little "warning" might help.

I appreciate any and all time anyone puts into testing and seeing how they can improve this package.

Thanks -- jdobbs

No Problems. It's back there now. And please if anyone has any problem with it or with it causing problems in CCE or DVD-RB. Please email me at the address listed in the software. This software is extremly Alpha. Written in 3 hours at 1am this morning over a few cans of coke.

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by r6d2
@Mayhem2408
I just tried your tool and got a missing "rtl70.bpl" error. The downloaded file is just 31KB. Did I get it all?

There is a newer version which is 481K in size. or a Rar file for 199K. No other files required. Give it a try now.

[CeanD]

Auuuuuggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!

Had the Runtime Error with .26, now with .27 I get a:

DVD REbuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Errpr #0004. Process must abort.

Happened during the rebuilding of the first re-encoded VTS.

[Axlemar]

All dvds of a series (NTSC) I have were backed up fine using quenc and older versions of DVD REbuilder. I retried using .25 through .27 and now exactly half-way through the final rebuild phase I always get the error 6 overflow message.

[thomasphoenix]

Hi,
I tried out dvd rb , the encoding runs fine, the rebuilding runs fine till 97% then it says "runtime error 6 buffer overflow" just before rebuilding the second vts.Just thought I'll keep you posted.

[[BMC]]

I'm still kinda of new to this and maybe I overlooked it, but it sure would be nice to have the option to choose deinterlace in the avs script and specify what method to use. I backup lots of material that is pure NTSC, always requiring either Field Deinterlace or Tomsmocomp.

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Originally posted by RB
As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...r=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for
I'll give it my best shot. But if it isn't related to order in the .ECL I don't know what I could do.
It definitely is the order in the ECL. Just save an ECL from CCE-SP 2.50 and make sure you match the order of the options.

[nurseman]

DVD Rebuilder 0.27... error 9 again...!

i hope the problem is not on me

[JvD]

Originally posted by nurseman
DVD Rebuilder 0.27... error 9 again...!
i hope the problem is not on me

I did have this problem until now. Tried the same movie but instead of runtime error 9 I now have MS error reporting system saying something went wrong with DVD-RB. Dont know why yet. Its during the rebuild process. Did you use CCE?

[nurseman]

Originally posted by JvD
I did have this problem until now. Tried the same movie but instead of runtime error 9 I now have MS error reporting system saying something went wrong with DVD-RB. Dont know why yet. Its during the rebuild process. Did you use CCE?

Yes, CCE 2.5, but the error 9 occurre in the begining of the demux

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nurseman
Yes, CCE 2.5, but the error 9 occurre in the begining of the demux If you're using CCE there is no demux.

[jojje_l]

One thing I think is important about this software is that it seems to be more and more advanced, almost to advanced for an average user (which I believe is the target for this software). I mean, I love the software and I did have a good experience. But there are more and more settings and features added, even I don´t understand them all. And I´ve done a couple of dvd´s in the past year... I think there must be some kind of documentation of all the settings, maybe in the Rebuilder.txt file. Do you think a user going from DvdS*rink or Dvd*One will understand the AVS Options??? I don´t... And, yes, I know one can search the internet or the 3 forum threads containing no less than 1400 posts in no particual order... But does a first time user do that? Does he know where to search? All of us do, but thats because we have all been following this thread since the start. 1400 posts not categorized... Everybody understands that it is easier to ask again than to search for the answer to the question already asked. I think that it is important to include a good documentation for the software, then it might be easier for a newbie to understand and get the best result out of it rather than saying that it´s to difficult to use. Because I guess thats the goal, to get a simple program everybody knows how to use to get the best possible quality out of an encoded dvd. Keep up the good word jdobbs! I know it´s still beta, but don´t forget to include a description of all the options. Cheers all!

[zakmccrack]

Dear friends,

There is a way to correct the Dvd output size?
DvdRb product an undersize output.

Thanks a lot

Zak:)

[ron spencer]

I agree with jojje_l. It may be nice to step back and have a help file written with all of the various options for CCE, etc in it. Maybe someone could write it for jdobbs and those of us who need more hand holding could donate a bit to the help file author. There are options in DVD-RB that are not dicussed anywhere.

By the way...has anyone tried Rebuilder with one of the "monster" movies....that is the 3 hour Lord of the Rings ones? I would be interested in the results...

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jojje_l
One thing I think is important about this software is that it seems to be more and more advanced, almost to advanced for an average user (which I believe is the target for this software). I mean, I love the software and I did have a good experience. But there are IMHO - For now I'd say let the experienced users help jdobbs with developement and bug fixes... the last thing he needs is to write a manual for newbies and intermediates (LIKE ME)... I am reading this post daily and expect to jump in when things get stable and lot's of smart users have a handle on it before I start tossing my stupid questions at the forum creating confusion between bugs and user error...

I think it's too early to address the concerns of the masses... Again - IMHO

[jptheripper]

second successful RB disk (happened to be disk 2 in a set)

first disk 4.33gb , second 4.25

couldnt be happier, encodes look beautiful

14 hours on each start to end, one click method, 6 passes in cce (5+vaf), ~7.5gb source for each

THANK YOU jdobbs

-jp

[theuser86]

Quick Question:

What sources can DVD-RB NOT do? I know it cannot do seamless branching sources as of the newest version. But I have read through the thread about "interleaving movies" and how it does not suppor that.

Can someone just briefly elaborate on what this type of source is? Or provide with a link that can explain this to me and how I can identify if the source dvd is of this "interleaved" type. (The only interleave I know of is the interleaving between video and audio when you're multiplexing two primary streams to a sec. stream.)

Thanks.

[nurseman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
If you're using CCE there is no demux.

i'm in the dark... i know, i'm a rookie but i'm not dummie
i select sorce and target and hit PREPARE them show:
scanning and writing .D2V file folow by the error message
maybe i said demux thinking in demultiplexing

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by ron spencer
I agree with jojje_l. It may be nice to step back and have a help file written with all of the various options for CCE, etc in it. Maybe someone could write it for jdobbs and those of us who need more hand holding could donate a bit to the help file author. There are options in DVD-RB that are not dicussed anywhere.

By the way...has anyone tried Rebuilder with one of the "monster" movies....that is the 3 hour Lord of the Rings ones? I would be interested in the results... I did. It looks very, very good. But CCE gets the credit for that, not DVD-RB

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by theuser86
Quick Question:

What sources can DVD-RB NOT do? I know it cannot do seamless branching sources as of the newest version. But I have read through the thread about "interleaving movies" and how it does not suppor that.

Can someone just briefly elaborate on what this type of source is? Or provide with a link that can explain this to me and how I can identify if the source dvd is of this "interleaved" type. (The only interleave I know of is the interleaving between video and audio when you're multiplexing two primary streams to a sec. stream.)

Thanks. In v.028 I am kicking out an error message and refusing to do interleaved, seamless branching, and muliple angle movies that DVD-RB just isn't ready for. I'm hoping it will prevent a lot of these errors that just make no sense to me...

In interleaving while viewing the data stream you will see pieces of one VOBID/CELLID sequentially followed by another VOBID/CELLID, and then a reversion to the first one again happening over-and-over. You will often find that they have two versions of the same material (one may have button-over-video added). It is used for a lot of things like angles and seamless branching. It makes it possible to have two streams follow essentially the same path on the disc without a lot of head movement caused by choosing one path over the other.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nurseman
i'm in the dark... i know, i'm a rookie but i'm not dummie
i select sorce and target and hit PREPARE them show:
scanning and writing .D2V file folow by the error message
maybe i said demux thinking in demultiplexing I'm not trying to insult you... if it appeared that way I apologize. The reason I mention it is that if you think you are doing CCE -- but a message appears that mentions demuxing, you are actually doing ReJig (I demux cells for ReJig to compress).

[robw]

by the way, this board is filled with posts for all kinds of applications where people claim pixelation and sound problems. Many of these issues can be traced back to the media used. Ultimately, if its a problem with the software it should be present when played on either a PC or a standalone. If its only on the standalone then it could be media or the player.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robw
by the way, this board is filled with posts for all kinds of applications where people claim pixelation and sound problems. Many of these issues can be traced back to the media used. Ultimately, if its a problem with the software it should be present when played on either a PC or a standalone. If its only on the standalone then it could be media or the player. I agree. I'm confident that any pixelation problems related to DVD-RB are gone. (I'd never swear to anything, though).

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by jdobbs
In v.028 I am kicking out an error message and refusing to do interleaved, seamless branching, and muliple angle movies that DVD-RB just isn't ready for. I'm hoping it will prevent a lot of these errors that just make no sense to me...

In interleaving while viewing the data stream you will see pieces of one VOBID/CELLID sequentially followed by another VOBID/CELLID, and then a reversion to the first one again happening over-and-over. You will often find that they have two versions of the same material (one may have button-over-video added). It is used for a lot of things like angles and seamless branching. It makes it possible to have two streams follow essentially the same path on the disc without a lot of head movement caused by choosing one path over the other.

Hopefully version .28 will fix the overflow errors I am having. What's the ETA look like for .28 if you don't mind me asking?

[viper315]

1st off like to say great program. Am having a bit of a problem with it and noone I have talked to can seem to figure out how to solve it. I have to manually open the ecl file in order to encode, it will not let me do it inside the program no matter whether I use the one click method or hte encode part of the 3 step. Below is the following error message that I get, thing that gets me is its not even the right .ecl file that is needed to be used. Well any help is appreciated.

AviFileOpen("D:/working/D2VAVS/Item.ecl"): According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it

[2COOL]

@viper315

Welcome to the forum!

It would be helpful to jdobbs and us if you could provide more details on what software you are using and version. Have you followed the installation guide in the Read Me file in Help?

[nwg]

viper315 worte,
AviFileOpen("D:/working/D2VAVS/Item.ecl"): According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it

I got that with eclCCE 1.8. I had to go back to 1.7.

[viper315]

Okay, so far here I have tried v.23, v.26 & v.27 they all do the same thing.

CCE 2.50
Avisyth 2.54

As for the eclCCE ver I do not know what ver of that I am using, don't see anything that says a ver #. I believe those are the only software that I am using, thats all that jumps to mind right now anyway. As I said the program works but I have to manually open the rebuilder.ecl file and encode. Any ideas you may have would be appreciated. Someone mentioned eclCCE 1.7 if anyone knows where can find that ID be willing to try it, but for all I know I already have it. thanks. viper315

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by viper315
Okay, so far here I have tried v.23, v.26 & v.27 they all do the same thing.

CCE 2.50
Avisyth 2.54

As for the eclCCE ver I do not know what ver of that I am using, don't see anything that says a ver #. I believe those are the only software that I am using, thats all that jumps to mind right now anyway. As I said the program works but I have to manually open the rebuilder.ecl file and encode. Any ideas you may have would be appreciated. Someone mentioned eclCCE 1.7 if anyone knows where can find that ID be willing to try it, but for all I know I already have it. thanks. viper315 That is definitely your problem.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by viper315
1st off like to say great program. Am having a bit of a problem with it and noone I have talked to can seem to figure out how to solve it. I have to manually open the ecl file in order to encode, it will not let me do it inside the program no matter whether I use the one click method or hte encode part of the 3 step. Below is the following error message that I get, thing that gets me is its not even the right .ecl file that is needed to be used. Well any help is appreciated.

AviFileOpen("D:/working/D2VAVS/Item.ecl"): According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it

That is the error message CCE 2.5 (itself, without EclCCE) gives when you try and drag-n-drop an .ecl file onto it, because CCE 2.5 doesn't support drag-n-drop of project files, just video files. You should try installing EclCCE (1.7b, RB and EclCCE 1.8 are currently incompatible), start it and select your CCE 2.5 executible, and then reconfiguring RB to use it instead of the CCE executible.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by robw
by the way, this board is filled with posts for all kinds of applications where people claim pixelation and sound problems. Many of these issues can be traced back to the media used. Ultimately, if its a problem with the software it should be present when played on either a PC or a standalone. If its only on the standalone then it could be media or the player.

I'm glad that this was found to be an acually bug in RB and fixed.

Even after jdobbs couldn't recreate the problem he still never gave up. Many would have blamed media, or players. I applaud him for his work and determination in finding the problem and fixing it.

[jdobbs]

What the hell... I applaud me too.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
That is the error message CCE 2.5 (itself, without EclCCE) gives when you try and drag-n-drop an .ecl file onto it, because CCE 2.5 doesn't support drag-n-drop of project files, just video files. You should try installing EclCCE (1.7b, RB and EclCCE 1.8 are currently incompatible), start it and select your CCE 2.5 executible, and then reconfiguring RB to use it instead of the CCE executible. Well that isn't entirely correct. If you save an ECL from CCE and then drag and drop it back in, it works fine. But when the parameters are out of order (apparently) it can be opened from the menu -- but will get this message when you drag-and-drop.

In other words... it's probably my fault. In previous versions of eclCCE RB was using simulated menu input, so it worked fine. He'd found that drag-and-drop was a cleaner interface, and changed it in v0.18... and it revealed the problem. I'll fix it in v0.29

[robw]

Originally posted by jdobbs
What the hell... I applaud me too.

Truth be told, we all applaud you jdobbs. It's no mistake that this thread is now split in 3 and all three are too large to manage. The product you are creating is obviously what people have been wanting for quite some time. You not only have the ability to get it done but have been extremely generous with your time and have brought this product to fruition faster than any one of us could have imagined, let alone asked for.

Thanks so much for getting DVD-RB to the state its at so quickly. We really do appreciate it!

For all those who agree, how about giving paypal a little visit. If this product doesn't deserve your support, just tell me one that does.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robw
Truth be told, we all applaud you jdobbs. It's no mistake that this thread is now split in 3 and all three are too large to manage. The product you are creating is obviously what people have been wanting for quite some time. You not only have the ability to get it done but have been extremely generous with your time and have brought this product to fruition faster than any one of us could have imagined, let alone asked for.

Thanks so much for getting DVD-RB to the state its at so quickly. We really do appreciate it!

For all those who agree, how about giving paypal a little visit. If this product doesn't deserve your support, just tell me one that does. Thanks. It's good that I do this for the challenge. If I was depending on donations I'd have switched over to selling pencils by now...

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Well that isn't entirely correct. If you save an ECL from CCE and then drag and drop it back in, it works fine. But when the parameters are out of order (apparently) it can be opened from the menu -- but will get this message when you drag-and-drop.

In other words... it's probably my fault. In previous versions of eclCCE RB was using simulated menu input, so it worked fine. He'd found that drag-and-drop was a cleaner interface, and changed it in v0.18... and it revealed the problem. I'll fix it in v0.29

Your right. I was mistaken because I recalled that RB added the drag-n-drop of .ecl ability to EclCCE several versions ago (but still simulating menu import). Now I remember that it was for the trial versions which didn't support .ecl loading at all.

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks. It's good that I do this for the challenge. If I was depending on donations I'd have switched over to selling pencils by now...

I appreciate the hard work you are doing and have already made my donation. Please keep up the good work. :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
I appreciate the hard work you are doing and have already made my donation. Please keep up the good work. :) I sincerely appreciate it.

[lab-one]

originally posted by mayhem2408
I appreciate the hard work you are doing and have already made my donation. Please keep up the good work.



Ditto

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks. It's good that I do this for the challenge. If I was depending on donations I'd have switched over to selling pencils by now...

Too all of you non donators reading this, it should make you ashamed :(

[wmansir]

Jdobbs, do you think DVD-Rebuilder should be given it's own subforum? It has definitely taken over this subforum, and personally I think finding info on a bug/instruction/fix in these large threads is becoming difficult, though I have tried to keep up with them all. Yet for some reason I get (unreasonably?) annoyed at the newbs who start a new thread on a "bug" or suggestion when you have asked them to use the two main threads.

If the program becomes as popular as it appears to be (and has the potential to be) it is bound to happen some time. And in truth it doesn't fit with the other 1-clicks anyway. It is really a question of timing, I think. And what would be most convenient for you of course.

[Zarch_UK]

Jdobbs,

Been sat in the background, taking each build when it arrives and testing it out on various discs. Had a few teething problems, but this thread helped sort them out. Not really found any problems that others haven't.

Agree with a previous post about hints & tips for CCE settings. At the moment i'm just hitting "GO". I'd like to know more, where can i look?

I've just donated $10, is this the norm? Fantastic product, i've tried the big 3 method on a couple of occasions and failed miserably, this product really is the business.

Looking forward to all the enhancements and improvements to come.

Cheers

Zarch

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Zarch_UK
Jdobbs,

Been sat in the background, taking each build when it arrives and testing it out on various discs. Had a few teething problems, but this thread helped sort them out. Not really found any problems that others haven't.

Agree with a previous post about hints & tips for CCE settings. At the moment i'm just hitting "GO". I'd like to know more, where can i look?

I've just donated $10, is this the norm? Fantastic product, i've tried the big 3 method on a couple of occasions and failed miserably, this product really is the business.

Looking forward to all the enhancements and improvements to come.

Cheers

Zarch Yes, thanks. I have the weekend coming up. I'll be able to devote more time to it then.

[DirtyAbdul]

Originally posted by wmansir
Jdobbs, do you think DVD-Rebuilder should be given it's own subforum? It has definitely taken over this subforum, and personally I think finding info on a bug/instruction/fix in these large threads is becoming difficult, though I have tried to keep up with them all. Yet for some reason I get (unreasonably?) annoyed at the newbs who start a new thread on a "bug" or suggestion when you have asked them to use the two main threads.

If the program becomes as popular as it appears to be (and has the potential to be) it is bound to happen some time. And in truth it doesn't fit with the other 1-clicks anyway. It is really a question of timing, I think. And what would be most convenient for you of course.

i agree with wmansir: RB has drawn A LOT of attention -- just consider how many hits those 3 threads are getting within only 3 weeks! an own subforum would help organize quite a few things (i'm starting to lose overview over my bookmarks since i'm active in some other forums as well :D).

for those still "thinking" about donating: i already mentioned in a different thread that you simply don't get such great 24h customer service anywhere else for a free program! and jdobbs reaction time is just amazing, right? don't you guys just feel like being well taken care of, huh??? :sly: so give this man a nice pat on his shoulder and sacrifice a 6-pack of beer (like someone else mentioned :D) .

CK

[masterpug]

Tested and fails for the following scenario (which is what I expected, but maybe support can be built into future versions).

I routinely compile dvd projects that result in project size of over the dvd-9/dual layer maximum, say 11-15gig total size. Then, I use Nero Recode to transcode down to fit onto dvd-5. Works great, but I could obtain better quality with dvd rebuilder utilizing CCE, of course, to do the job. The program crashes since it currently doesn't seem to support over 9.4gig "source" size. I know I can use CCE to re-encode each file down so compiling=dvd-5, but it's much simpler to just load all files when authoring, let it do a huge compile, then tanscode/re-encode to dvd-5. If anyone's listening and can address this in future versions, then I would be most appreciative!

[kilg0r3]

Hm, hm, I am not _yet_ a user of rebuilder. I am however, an avid reader of the thread(s) and hence feel entitled to give my two cents to the extra forum thingy.

My Experiences
We have had a similar discussion in the New-AV Formats-Codecs section. Since there has been quite high traffic related to Real Video format, quite a few users have expressed their wish to 'get an own forum'. And, the most interesting thing for me in this discussion was not the fact that doom9 refused to create a seperate section, but that karl lillevold, senior developer of real networks, quite clearly stated that he was happy with the current state of things. I also think that there are some points in favour of staying in a 'mixed' forum.

Solving Problems in a Mixed Forum
First of all, some of the problems you might be experiencing might be very easily solved by posting in seperate threads with _good_ subject lines in the format "Rebuilder - Enter your topic here". Another option would be to start a new thread for each new version or each new major release. I bet you can think of even better ones.

Benefits of the Mixed Forum
Second, staying in the mixed forum has the benefit for jdopps that more people's attention is drawn to the program. You would not want to prevent other users from getting aware of this fine piece of software, would you.
And, think of jdopps too. Many of you have been emphasizing that jdopps should be receiving as much donations as possible. An increasing number of users will benefit his account much more than a faithful but small group of users of which each one pays once (or even twice).

Cheers, kilg0r3

[kilg0r3]

Originally posted by Zarch_UK
Agree with a previous post about hints & tips for CCE settings. At the moment i'm just hitting "GO". I'd like to know more, where can i look?

Ahem, this is your second post on doom9. Hence it might be that you have not yet realized that we have at least two 'gadgets' here which might proof very useful for you. One being the CCE section in this forum, which also contains an excellent FAQ the other being the doom9 guides, some of which treat CCE, and another still being the search-button.

I'll stop moralizing now.

[2COOL]

Why set the limit to just Doom9's search button? Let Google (http://www.google.com) be your friend. ;)

[nurseman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm not trying to insult you... if it appeared that way I apologize. The reason I mention it is that if you think you are doing CCE -- but a message appears that mentions demuxing, you are actually doing ReJig (I demux cells for ReJig to compress).

OK... now with DVD-RB .28 no error 9 occurre, but...
(i hope i had configure everything all right)
I select the one click mode and

Transcoding on the run - GOOD
-----------------
Phase I PREPARATION started - time xx:xx:xx
-VTS_01: xxx.xxx sectors
-- scanning and writing .D2V file
-- xx.xxx/0 FRAMES/RFFS
-- building .AVS and .ECL files

and so on until VTS_06

Phase I PREPARATION complete - time xx.xx.xx
Phase II encoding started - time yy.yy.yy
- creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 00

them CCE start
A dialog box mark as CCE SP [edited out] with
GdipLoadImageFromFile failed: 3
(OK)

HELP!!!

[RB]

Originally posted by nurseman
A dialog box mark as CCE SP [SSG] Version with
GdipLoadImageFromFile failed: 3

You aren't using a cracked version of CCE, are you?? And you know forum rule 6, right?

[2COOL]

Originally posted by nurseman
CCE SP [SSG] VersionSSG = Saints and Sinners Group. My sources tell me that it's definitely a cracking group.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by masterpug
Tested and fails for the following scenario (which is what I expected, but maybe support can be built into future versions).

I routinely compile dvd projects that result in project size of over the dvd-9/dual layer maximum, say 11-15gig total size. Then, I use Nero Recode to transcode down to fit onto dvd-5. Works great, but I could obtain better quality with dvd rebuilder utilizing CCE, of course, to do the job. The program crashes since it currently doesn't seem to support over 9.4gig "source" size. I know I can use CCE to re-encode each file down so compiling=dvd-5, but it's much simpler to just load all files when authoring, let it do a huge compile, then tanscode/re-encode to dvd-5. If anyone's listening and can address this in future versions, then I would be most appreciative! I hadn't given this any thought -- but I don't think I've put any upward limitations on the source data.. what happens when it crashes?

[masterpug]

I'll copy/paste the error to a post when I have another one happen like that, probably try sometime within the week.

I have to say, all other uses so far for "one click" backups (CCE method) have worked perfectly...amazing little program to accomplish all the old school steps. I was making perfect backups, keeping menus/extras way back before the "transcoders" came along, and it's so nice to not have to deal with individual vob re-encodes, renaming IFO's/VOB's and using IFOUpdate,etc, although I learned so much from dvd2avi, vfapi converter, dvd2svcd using CCE, and CCE stand alone AND of course IFO Edit. Can't imagine the current crop of "transcoder" users that check out your program even have a clue what's happening in the background or how 1:1 backups used to be accomplished.

Most definitely will contribute $$ to the cause in the near future...thanks!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by masterpug
I'll copy/paste the error to a post when I have another one happen like that, probably try sometime within the week.

I have to say, all other uses so far for "one click" backups (CCE method) have worked perfectly...amazing little program to accomplish all the old school steps. I was making perfect backups, keeping menus/extras way back before the "transcoders" came along, and it's so nice to not have to deal with individual vob re-encodes, renaming IFO's/VOB's and using IFOUpdate,etc, although I learned so much from dvd2avi, vfapi converter, dvd2svcd using CCE, and CCE stand alone AND of course IFO Edit. Can't imagine the current crop of "transcoder" users that check out your program even have a clue what's happening in the background or how 1:1 backups used to be accomplished.

Most definitely will contribute $$ to the cause in the near future...thanks! Thanks for the comments... remember when the only choice we had was VCD or (later) SVCD?

[masterpug]

got a lot of mileage out of svcd.

recently been using tmpgenc dvd author to put vcd/mpg1 tv captures on dvd and I get 16 episodes x 22min (commercials cut). I am trying to use your program to shrink video_ts folder that has about 6gig data (26 x22min captures) and compare output to same project shrunk using nero recode2 (which was very good). Also, transcoders, as you probably know, have a "bottom" compression ratio, usually around 2:1 ratio so in certain cases I'd need to use CCE anyway to complete the job.

[nwg]

Would it be possible to automatically create the working folder?

I have deleted my working folder but used the same name (DVDRB Tests) when doing the another DVD. When I forget to recreate the DVDRB Tests folder, DVD RB crashes and exits when clicking on prepare.

[djan]

Hi,

I ran the firt time an interlaced DVD. I so checked the ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) option. Unfortunately, it didn't do well its job. The resulting DVD is always interlaced and not so pretty to look. Someone can explain me why ? Thx. In the other hand, I would like to know if I really need to deinterlace as I intend to look this DVD only on my standalone ?

Thx for any help.

[philos31]

Ahhhh,

AFAIK this is my first posting on this forum...
Read a lot, but never hit the reply button....

This software is worth writing a reply about, I've been using it about 2 weeks now, and after a lot of trouble to get it to run on my very dirty harddisk (the prob was 3 versions of avisync)

Now that it works I can say that the program does what it tell's you.
I am amazed at the quality you get out of such a simple (for the user) program.

I will be posting a bit more here now that my first message is out :)

Just wanted to say thanks, great job!

[Paced]

Originally posted by djan
Hi,

I ran the firt time an interlaced DVD. I so checked the ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) option. Unfortunately, it didn't do well its job. The resulting DVD is always interlaced and not so pretty to look. Someone can explain me why ? Thx. In the other hand, I would like to know if I really need to deinterlace as I intend to look this DVD only on my standalone ?

Thx for any help.

Hello, CovertToYUY2(interlaced=true) has no effect on whether or not your output will/won't be interlaced. You won't need to deinterlace if you intend to play this on your stand-alone - you only notice the 'interlacing' on your computer (depending on the program you view the DVD with - use PowerDVD/WinDVD/Ulead DVD Player instead).

[quinn]

Love this program (donated my $15 for it) - have a question and a comment -

question - how does it find dvd2avi? I deleted all copies on my disks but the dvd2avidg to be sure, but it might be nice to be able to control it....

comment - I use 1/2 D1 a lot, but the option seems to be global - it would be nice if a) it didn't do it to 16:9 video, since that doesn't work well with most stand-alones, and doesn't conform to the spec and b) that the conversions (16:9 -> 4:3 and 1/2 D1 (and possibly both)) were on a VTS by VTS basis...

This program rocks!! Thanks a bunch

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quinn
Love this program (donated my $15 for it) - have a question and a comment -

question - how does it find dvd2avi? I deleted all copies on my disks but the dvd2avidg to be sure, but it might be nice to be able to control it....

comment - I use 1/2 D1 a lot, but the option seems to be global - it would be nice if a) it didn't do it to 16:9 video, since that doesn't work well with most stand-alones, and doesn't conform to the spec and b) that the conversions (16:9 -> 4:3 and 1/2 D1 (and possibly both)) were on a VTS by VTS basis...

This program rocks!! Thanks a bunch Thanks! DVDAVI is never called. DVD-RB does the scanning/breakout function itself. I'll take a look at disallowing 1/2 D1 on 16:9 conversion.

[djan]

Originally posted by Paced
Hello, CovertToYUY2(interlaced=true) has no effect on whether or not your output will/won't be interlaced. You won't need to deinterlace if you intend to play this on your stand-alone - you only notice the 'interlacing' on your computer (depending on the program you view the DVD with - use PowerDVD/WinDVD/Ulead DVD Player instead). Hi, I'm using WinDVD 5 Gold, but it's always interlaced. Is there an option to deinterlace ? I'm a PAL user. And for what is the option interlaced=true so ? Can I backup it without using this option ? Thx.

[StifflerStealth]

@djan:
Try this in the AVS files after the mpeg2source line:

LoadPlugin("x:\Path\to\decomb.dll")
FieldDeinterlace()

I think you still need the interlaced=true, though. I said I _think_.

Well, this must pf helped redfive19, because I haven't seen him in 13 pages. :D

Stiff

[DDogg]

jdobbs, I remembered one of my odd pieces of historical information. You, or somebody in one of these threads, was talking about drag and drop of an ecl into 2.5 throwing that weird "According to the registry, the type of file specified ...blah, blah".

This happens when caps are used for the ecl file suffix. ".ecl" will work, whereas ".ECL" will not. Maybe you already figured that out, but there was too much thread for my eyes to go back through. Just disregard if this is useless information to you.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, I remembered one of my odd pieces of historical information. You, or somebody in one of these threads, was talking about drag and drop of an ecl into 2.5 throwing that weird "According to the registry, the type of file specified ...blah, blah".

This happens when caps are used for the ecl file suffix. ".ecl" will work, whereas ".ECL" will not. Maybe you already figured that out, but there was too much thread for my eyes to go back through. Just disregard if this is useless information to you. If that turns out to be all that is wrong I'm going to slam my head into a wall. Hmm... not that I think about it, in a sense that's all programming really is: Slamming your head against a wall for hours so you can enjoy the feeling when you get to stop slamming.

[DDogg]

If that turns out to be all that is wrong I'm going to slam my head into a wall. Hey, you you would be in good company. This snake has bitten some very smart people over the years because smart people like you would not even consider that such a dumb error could possible exist. That's for people like me to do :)

/add: also, putting any extra information at the top of an 2.5 ecl file can sometimes cause problems (or sometimes not - Voodoo stuff). I note you put "; Created by DVD ReBuilder". It is not causing any problem that I can see, but I specifically remember an instance where it did in another project.

[RB]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, I remembered one of my odd pieces of historical information. You, or somebody in one of these threads, was talking about drag and drop of an ecl into 2.5 throwing that weird "According to the registry, the type of file specified ...blah, blah".

This happens when caps are used for the ecl file suffix. ".ecl" will work, whereas ".ECL" will not. Maybe you already figured that out, but there was too much thread for my eyes to go back through. Just disregard if this is useless information to you.
DDogg, you're the man! :) I think that's it. Anyway, I already "fixed" it in EclCCE 1.8b so jdobbs, there's really no need to do bad things to your head :)

As for why that is, it's an easy to make programming error. They obviously perform a case-sensitive match against the file extension for files dropped into CCE, e.g. "if (strcmp(szFileExt, "ecl")) { /* Not an ECL file */ }"

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
DDogg, you're the man! :) I think that's it. Anyway, I already "fixed" it in EclCCE 1.8b so jdobbs, there's really no need to do bad things to your head :)

As for why that is, it's an easy to make programming error. They obviously perform a case-sensitive match against the file extension for files dropped into CCE, e.g. "if (strcmp(szFileExt, "ecl")) { /* Not an ECL file */ }" Yep -- just renamed it and it worked fine...

[hypo20]

@jdobbs
Hi. It's weekend, my time. :) Will post some tests. :)

I see you slowed down little bit. That's good. I don't want to hear about you, that you're slamming your head to the wall saying "Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, ....." somewhere in sanatorium. :)

We all don't want to loose our greatest brain. :D

[casonbang]

@jdobbs

Thanks for adding the check for interleaving! I just tried to backup Princess Mononoke (which I didn't think had anything wanky) and the warning saved me from a few days of scratching my head wondering why it wouldn't work.

Any rough idea of when you'll tackle the interleaving problem? Days, weeks, months...

PS: $10 donation on its way!

[deh707]

this is my first time trying this program

im using DVD-RB 028, with CCE 2.50


i did the one click transcode mode, and it worked.

the only problem was it never took out the audio tracks i told it to remove, making the final VIDEO_TS folder size 4.66GB. (if it removed the other 3 tracks, it would be 4.38GB)




anyone know why it still included the unwanted audio tracks?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
@jdobbs
Hi. It's weekend, my time. :) Will post some tests. :)

I see you slowed down little bit. That's good. I don't want to hear about you, that you're slamming your head to the wall saying "Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, ....." somewhere in sanatorium. :)

We all don't want to loose our greatest brain. :D I haven't stopped... I've been trying to chase down a couple of fairly elusive bugs. Mainly I'm trying to see what happened between version .26 and .27 that seems to have brought about the "Runtime error '6'"

[John Doe]

Great tool. But I´ve one problem. CCE starts everytime in 2-pass mode, although it ought to start in 3-pass mode. :(
EclCCE is in version 1.8b & CCE SP in 2.67.00.23.

By using the Big3-method everything seams fine, so it have to be a bug of DVD-RB.

------------------------

Sorry, wrong thread

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by John Doe
Great tool. But I´ve one problem. CCE starts everytime in 2-pass mode, although it ought to start in 3-pass mode. :(
EclCCE is in version 1.8b & CCE SP in 2.67.00.23.

By using the Big3-method everything seams fine, so it have to be a bug of DVD-RB.

------------------------

Sorry, wrong thread Use "Search" on this subject in the DVD-RB threads. 2 in CCE = 3 in real life. (3=4, 4=5, etc.)

[Offline]

That "Runtime error '6'" bug is a pain. I'm going back to v0.26
which seemed to work fine. I hope you find a solution.

In the meantime please do not disallow half D1 for 16:9. I know
it is not in the "DVD specs" but it works fine and allows for
superior picture at below 2,000kb rates on those really overstuffed
DVD9's. Perhaps a simple warning instead?

Fantastic program btw!!!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Offline
That "Runtime error '6'" bug is a pain. I'm going back to v0.26
which seemed to work fine. I hope you find a solution.

In the meantime please do not disallow half D1 for 16:9. I know
it is not in the "DVD specs" but it works fine and allows for
superior picture at below 2,000kb rates on those really overstuffed
DVD9's. Perhaps a simple warning instead?

Fantastic program btw!!! Actually I just went to the DVD FAQ and checked, and anamorphic 16:9 is acceptable for Half-D1. Here's a quote (I modified the table by adding slashes for formatting):

For anamorphic video, the pixels are fatter. Different pixel aspect ratios (none of them square) are used for each aspect ratio and resolution. 720-pixel and 704-pixel sizes have the same aspect ratio because the first includes overscan. Note that conventional values of 1.0950 and 0.9157 are for height/width (and are tweaked to match scanning rates). The table below uses less-confusing width/height values (y/x * h/w).

Aspect/720x480/720x576/352x480/352x576
4:3/0.909/1.091/1.818/2.182
16:9/1.212/1.455/2.424/2.909

BTW. I already found the solution and will post it today.

[redfive19]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
@djan:
Try this in the AVS files after the mpeg2source line:

LoadPlugin("x:\Path\to\decomb.dll")
FieldDeinterlace()

I think you still need the interlaced=true, though. I said I _think_.

Well, this must pf helped redfive19, because I haven't seen him in 13 pages. :D

Stiff

@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Does anyone know an easy way to add lines to multiple AVS's? I've tried ultraedit's macro but you cannot apply it over multiple opened files. Any easier way I am just not seeing?

-redfive

[Roe5685]

on april 2 i tried the lastest rebuilder with cce 2.5.
"process" goes fine.
when you go to "encode" it then processes the d2v files without doing anything so it finishes in seconds rather than hours and of course encode fails.
i examined the ecl file and a few of the many d2v files in the rebuilder d2vavs folder and they seem fine. out of curiosity i started cce and loaded the ecl file and hit encode. over several hours it processed the files. somewhere along the line it hit a checksum error which i too have had on occasion so i did not end up with useable streams to author.

in summary then:
there appears to be some very slight clerical error such that rebuilder does not start cce 2.5 encoding. on the other hand the files made up by rebuilder for cce 2.5 to process seem to be fine.
i hope that the error will be corrected shortly.
thankyou for letting me try this adventurous program.

Rosemary.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Roe5685
on april 2 i tried the lastest rebuilder with cce 2.5.
"process" goes fine.
when you go to "encode" it then processes the d2v files without doing anything so it finishes in seconds rather than hours and of course encode fails.
i examined the ecl file and a few of the many d2v files in the rebuilder d2vavs folder and they seem fine. out of curiosity i started cce and loaded the ecl file and hit encode. over several hours it processed the files. somewhere along the line it hit a checksum error which i too have had on occasion so i did not end up with useable streams to author.

in summary then:
there appears to be some very slight clerical error such that rebuilder does not start cce 2.5 encoding. on the other hand the files made up by rebuilder for cce 2.5 to process seem to be fine.
i hope that the error will be corrected shortly.
thankyou for letting me try this adventurous program.

Rosemary. Could you give me a little information on how you are doing the encode?

1. What version of eclCCE are you using with CCE 2.50?
2. After the "PREPARE" -- try opening one of the .AVS files with Windows Media Player and make sure it works.

[smlong426]

The chapter pixelation problems were fixed with .26, but I still see stuttering of either audio or video (or both) on my two hardware players.

Also, is there any way to fix previous Rebuilder images that exhibit the 'no audio' problems on certain players without re-encoding the whole thing all over ?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by redfive19
@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Does anyone know an easy way to add lines to multiple AVS's? I've tried ultraedit's macro but you cannot apply it over multiple opened files. Any easier way I am just not seeing?

-redfive You won't have to find another way. This will be in v0.29.

[issa]

I am using DVD-RB 0.28. I got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow"
after I pick the source path. I did try few different DVDs,
and all gave me the same result. Is there a way to fix
this problem?

Also, jdobbs, could you replace "AddAudio()" with "AudioDub(BlankClip())"? That what the "AddAudio()" do.
It is repleacment of "Resample()", since "Resample()"
no longer add empty clip when it used.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by issa
I am using DVD-RB 0.28. I got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow"
after I pick the source path. I did try few different DVDs,
and all gave me the same result. Is there a way to fix
this problem?

Also, jdobbs, could you replace "AddAudio()" with "AudioDub(BlankClip())"? That what the "AddAudio()" do.
It is repleacment of "Resample()", since "Resample()"
no longer add empty clip when it used. Will this work with all versions of AVISYNTH? If so, I'll remove both options and put this in every AVS. Is there any drawbacks? (speed?)

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by redfive19
@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Does anyone know an easy way to add lines to multiple AVS's? I've tried ultraedit's macro but you cannot apply it over multiple opened files. Any easier way I am just not seeing?

-redfive

I was going to suggest to write a dos batch script, but since it will be in the new version, I guess it's not needed to do that.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by issa
I am using DVD-RB 0.28. I got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow"
after I pick the source path. I did try few different DVDs,
and all gave me the same result. Is there a way to fix
this problem?

Also, jdobbs, could you replace "AddAudio()" with "AudioDub(BlankClip())"? That what the "AddAudio()" do.
It is repleacment of "Resample()", since "Resample()"
no longer add empty clip when it used. Just goes to show you... sometimes you unnecessarily take the hard road. I just ran this and it fixes the CCE bug fine. I'm going to get rid of the options I have now and put this in every VTS.

Thanks for the excellent advice!

[issa]

jdobbs,

In AviSynth 2.0.x, use "Resample()".
In AviSynth 2.5.x, use "AudioDub(BlankClip())".
Since "Resample()" in AviSynth 2.5.x will not produce
empty audio clip, the problem still exsit even you
put "Resample(44100)" in the script.

Also, where can I find the DVD-RB 0.26?
I would like to try out is the problem of my DVD or
the hidden problem in the program.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Will this work with all versions of AVISYNTH? If so, I'll remove both options and put this in every AVS. Is there any drawbacks? (speed?)

I have an Intel P4 and CCE SP 2.67, so I don't use Addaudio or ResampleAudio at all. I noticed that the encode took _10 hours_ with the AddAudio() option, but the very same project took _6.5 hours_ without the AddAudio option when I tried with a newer version of DVD-RB. So you can have a check thing like you got now, but have that one audio option, so I (and others) can uncheck the audio option. AFAIK, the audio options are there for ppl with CCE 2.50 and an AMD proccessor, right?!?

Stiff

EDIT: Added: "without the AddAudio option"

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by issa
jdobbs,

In AviSynth 2.0.x, use "Resample()".
In AviSynth 2.5.x, use "AudioDub(BlankClip())".
Since "Resample()" in AviSynth 2.5.x will not produce
empty audio clip, the problem still exsit even you
put "Resample(44100)" in the script.

Also, where can I find the DVD-RB 0.26?
I would like to try out is the problem of my DVD or
the hidden problem in the program. Give me a few hours and I'll have 0.29 posted. I advise against the use of 0.26, as there are errors that I've mentioned before. The folks who used it were doing so to help me find the bug that was introduced in 0.27 and I am certainly appreciative for that -- but I've fixed it now, and I hate to have someone build a DVD not knowing that it has some inherent problems.

[issa]

Thanks for give us this great program.

[redfive19]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You won't have to find another way. This will be in v0.29.

@jdobbs
You're the man!!! Thanks!

[issa]

The "AddAudio()" is a sample script to replace "Resample()"
to fix the bug of CCE 2.5 in AviSynth 2.5.x.
You can find the script here (http://www.avisynth.org/index.php?page=AddAudio).
Someone did report CCE 2.6x had memory leak without adding
the empty audio, here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=42924&perpage=20&highlight=memory%20leak&pagenumber=3).

[DDogg]

jdobbs, I think some people don't know that AddAudio() depends on having AddAudio.avsi in your plugin dir.

A one size fits all (versions of CCE) solution is to do what dvd2svcd does via an import as part of your script. Please see the note below this for a clarification.

LoadPlugin("PATH:\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("PATH:\V01B.D2V")
trim(0,14136)
ConvertToYUY2()
Import("PATH:\PITA_CCEWorkaround.avs")
PITA_CCEWorkaround(44100)

where PITA_CCEWorkaround.avs is:

function PITA_CCEWorkaround(clip v1, int rate) {
v2 = Blankclip()
v1 = AudioDub(v1,v2)
return v1
}

Note: Dvd2svcd actually use the name "ResampleAudio" as the function name for some backward compatibility reasons. Although there is actually an internal command which is called ResampleAudio, he gets away with it by expoiting the fact that a function takes precedence over an internal command. I purposely changed the name above so as to not cause confusion. You can name it anything you want. Hopefully, this will not cause you more confusion :)

/Add: hmmm, are you sure you even need this? If I remember it correctly, this was a workaround for loading (or dragging) the avs in CCE, because the audio checkbox was checked. Once you unchecked it and saved the ecl, you did not need the workaround anymore. It occurs to me that since you are creating the ecl with the audio already turned off, and loading via a commandline, you may not even need to be doing this. Crap, I hope I got that correct.

[RB]

Originally posted by redfive19
@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Hmm, this surprises me. Normally encoding a progressive source as interlaced has almost no negative effect, the Q factors may get a little higher and CCE speed will be a little lower but that's about it. In fact, most DVDs are encoded interlaced although you can clearly see that the source material is progressive. In a software player, this might cause a slight vertical jitter because the player applies a BOB deinterlace when it really doesn't need to, usually fixed by setting deinterlace to "Force Weave" (WinDVD at least).

So how did it look wrong on your TV? I can only imagine that a wrong setting for Upper Field First/Offset Line in CCE could cause problems here.

jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? If so, you could also automate the Interlaced=True/False parameter of ConvertToYUY2(). It must be set to interlaced=true if the picture headers in the source don't have the progressive_frame flag set. If there's a mixture in the cell, use interlaced=true too because it has almost no negative impact on progressive sources.

[Roe5685]

your reply got me thinking. thanks.
I inspected the d2vavs folder and saw it was over 2 gigs.
i then used your rebuild third step. it failed the first time due to "overrun" and the second time due to some other error. nevertheless it generated some vob files and i played the first one on my holywood plus decoder.
i had just opened up my cce 2.5 and used that to generate the m2v files. i.e. you open the ecl file in d2vavs and then hit encode.
i have never used eclcce before. when i encode by hand i edit my ecl template and then open cce and hit encode. on rare occasion i have used the method not requiring a template ecl from a guide but then you have to be awake to restart cce after the first pass.
nevertheless i took your hint and opened the latest version of eclcce which i just downloaded in the last 24 hours. i have just used that to start the encoding of your d2v files. it is progressing nicely as we speak but failed on at least two d2v files on checksum. i had erased everything in your d2davs folder so i don't know how this happened. i will author using your third step when it completes despite the checksum errors.
i have no idea how to use eclcce to generate a one click solution.
Any advise?

Thanks again

Rosemary.

[RB]

Originally posted by DDogg
/Add: hmmm, are you sure you even need this? If I remember it correctly, this was a workaround for loading the avs in CCE, because the audio checkbox was checked. Once you unchecked it and saved the ecl, you did not need the workaround anymore. It occurs to me that since you are creating the ecl with the audio already turned off, and loading via a commandline, you may not even need to be doing this. Crap, I hope I got that correct.
Absolutely correct. Ifaud_out=0 is in the ECL, the AddAudio() snippet is not necessary for CCE 2.50. However, funnily enough, it's still advised for CCE 2.66+ because otherwise CCE will continously increase it's memory usage with every VBR pass (not an issue with CCE 2.50!). You can see this in task manager, grabs a new large chunk of memory at the start of every pass and never releases it until you close CCE. This does not happen when there's an audio track in the AVS.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
/Add: hmmm, are you sure you even need this? If I remember it correctly, this was a workaround for loading (or dragging) the avs in CCE, because the audio checkbox was checked. Once you unchecked it and saved the ecl, you did not need the workaround anymore. It occurs to me that since you are creating the ecl with the audio already turned off, and loading via a commandline, you may not even need to be doing this. Crap, I hope I got that correct. [/B] You're right. But since I made the AVS files available to everyone to use, CCE 2.50 will crash whenever someone trys to load it -- so I decided it was best just to add it and kill the confusion.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? If so, you could also automate the Interlaced=True/False parameter of ConvertToYUY2(). It must be set to interlaced=true if the picture headers in the source don't have the progressive_frame flag set. If there's a mixture in the cell, use interlaced=true too because it has almost no negative impact on progressive sources. Great minds think alike. I've done that.

[RB]

Great! :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
Hmm, this surprises me. Normally encoding a progressive source as interlaced has almost no negative effect, the Q factors may get a little higher and CCE speed will be a little lower but that's about it. In fact, most DVDs are encoded interlaced although you can clearly see that the source material is progressive. In a software player, this might cause a slight vertical jitter because the player applies a BOB deinterlace when it really doesn't need to, usually fixed by setting deinterlace to "Force Weave" (WinDVD at least).

So how did it look wrong on your TV? I can only imagine that a wrong setting for Upper Field First/Offset Line in CCE could cause problems here.

jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? If so, you could also automate the Interlaced=True/False parameter of ConvertToYUY2(). It must be set to interlaced=true if the picture headers in the source don't have the progressive_frame flag set. If there's a mixture in the cell, use interlaced=true too because it has almost no negative impact on progressive sources. I read a post earlier with interest. It said that sometimes a stream is listed as interlaced even when it is progressive??? Are you saying there are times when the picture_structure is set to TF or BF (instead of FRAME) and the the progressive flag is set? If so I have to go back and do some recoding...

Note: Edited to make myself look smarter.

[DDogg]

Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? Originally posted by jdobbs
Great minds think alike. I've done that. For clarification - Meaning that progressive streams will have ZigZag and progressive on, and alternate scan off? (I hope)

As for the cce audio workaround, what both of you said makes perfect sense. Leaving it in all the scripts for all versions of cce is the way to go. It certainly hurts nothing. No need to have the settings in dvd-rb anymore, just a universal command or import in every script. That will make it a lot cleaner.

[najt]

What programming language / development enviroment are you using?

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I read a post earlier with interest. It said that sometimes a stream is listed as interlaced even when it is progressive??? Are you saying there are times when the picture_structure is set to TFF or BFF (instead of FRAME) and the the progressive flag is set? If so I have to go back and do some recoding...
I read that too in relation with BitrateViewer, but it's not true. Many people confuse what BitrateViewer reports and what they see. They run BitrateViewer which for many DVD VOBs will report "interlaced" because that's what the MPEG picture headers say (progressive_frame=off). Then they look at it in a software player or DVD2AVI/whatever and go "hell, but I see no interlacing, so BitrateViewer must be wrong". That's where this "DVDs are often incorrectly flagged interlaced" rumors come from, IMHO. Tools like BV (and I assume your D2V generation code) very accurately report how the stream is encoded, not what it looks like, and this is the information you need, especially for ConvertToYUY2(). Speaking of this, you could also examine the alternate_scan coding extension and set Alternate/ZigZag in CCE accordingly.

And no, I have never seen a stream where progressive_frame was on but picture_structure was TOP_FIELD or BOTTOM_FIELD, it was always FRAME_PICTURE (maybe you made a typo here mentioning TFF/BFF, top_field_first is a separate flag). I actually modified DVD2AVIdg to output a log file when saving the D2V where I record the number of frames, number of progressive frames, number of frame pictures and a lot of other interesting information, I use this for a while now so I have looked at a lot these log files :)

Anyway, what I have recently seen for the first time was all progressive_frames but it was BFF (top_field_first=0). That's how all the cells are in VTS_2, VTS_05 and VTS_06 on Matrix Revolutions Disc 2 (PAL R2), a very weird, complex IFO structure in there BTW. I don't think Upper Field First/Offset Line should be set to 1 in CCE for this, did a quick test encode this way and looked OK.

Another thing I noticed is that it looks like for field pictures (picture_structure TOP_FIELD or BOTTOM_FIELD), the top_field_first flag can't be trusted. I recently had a DVD where some extras where interlaced field pictures and top_field_first was 0, so the D2V was written with all zeroes. But actually it was TFF, checked using AssumeTFF().SeparateFields() AVS script. I think for field pictures, the top_field_first flag is simply not used and whichever field comes first in the stream is the "top field" i.e. the field to decode and display first on an interlaced output device, and presumably this is how Mpeg2Dec3dg outputs it as well.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
For clarification - Meaning that progressive streams will have ZigZag and progressive on, and alternate scan off? (I hope)
Yes. But first I have to clarify whether is is possible to have the progressive flag turned on when a stream's picture_structure is set to TF or BF as opposed to FRAME. I need be sure that by looking at the two parameters I can conclusively decide whether a stream is progressive or interlaced.

Note: Edited to make myself look better

[RB]

Originally posted by DDogg
For clarification - Meaning that progressive streams will have ZigZag and progressive on, and alternate scan off? (I hope)

Yes, that would be a good optimization too. The stream may have progressive_frames on but still use alternate scan rather than ZigZag. I haven't seen that yet and it would make no sense, but you could always set up CCE for ZigZag when source is progressive.

[jdobbs]

And no, I have never seen a stream where progressive_frame was on but picture_structure was TOP_FIELD or BOTTOM_FIELD, it was always FRAME_PICTURE (maybe you made a typo here mentioning TFF/BFF, top_field_first is a separate flag). I was talking about the picture_structure field not the TFF bit -- bad notation on my part.

[issa]

jdobbs,

I still got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow" after I pick
the source path. I did delete the INI and re-configure.
I am using the 0.29a already. Could you help me to
find out what happen to me?

[Paced]

Hey jdobbs, I've got a question for you: is "Deinterlace with DECOMB" only meant activate if it detects an interlaced stream? Because at the moment, it adds deinterlacing commands even for progressive streams. Thanks in advance for the clarification.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Paced
Hey jdobbs, I've got a question for you: is "Deinterlace with DECOMB" only meant activate if it detects an interlaced stream? Because at the moment, it adds deinterlacing commands even for progressive streams. Thanks in advance for the clarification. It definitely isn't supposed to... let me test.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Paced
Hey jdobbs, I've got a question for you: is "Deinterlace with DECOMB" only meant activate if it detects an interlaced stream? Because at the moment, it adds deinterlacing commands even for progressive streams. Thanks in advance for the clarification. Wow. Bad day. I had it set incorrectly and just fixed it. I'll be uploading 0.29b in a few minutes.

[robw]

jdobbs
great day! it's very understandable how the easy errors get left in. You're concentrating on the hard stuff!

Keep up the great effort, because believe me, we appreciate it immensely

[chadp1a]

The only decomb package I have found contains decomb510.dll

Is this version compatible with RB?

If compatible am I suppose to rename it to decomb.dll?

[nwg]

If compatible am I suppose to rename it to decomb.dll?

That is what I did and jdobbs said it would be ok.

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by nwg
That is what I did and jdobbs said it would be ok.

Thank you

[Paced]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Wow. Bad day. I had it set incorrectly and just fixed it. I'll be uploading 0.29b in a few minutes.

Thanks for all the hard work jdobbs, make sure you take a break whenever you can.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by chadp1a
The only decomb package I have found contains decomb510.dll

Is this version compatible with RB?

If compatible am I suppose to rename it to decomb.dll? You just have to make sure the DECOMB version you get is compatible with the AVISYNTH version. 5.1.1 is compatible with AVISYNTH 2.5 -- which is what I'm recommending for DVD-RB.

You can download if from Neuron2's Site (http://neuron2.net/decomb/decomb511.zip)

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You just have to make sure the DECOMB version you get is compatible with the AVISYNTH version. 5.1.1 is compatible with AVISYNTH 2.5 -- which is what I'm recommending for DVD-RB.

You can download if from Neuron2's Site (http://neuron2.net/decomb/decomb511.zip)

Thanks

Well my results are in now for the newest version .29b

It has worked perfect on two titles so far. No more overflow errors!!

Thanks jdobbs......

[lab-one]

Backed-up Ripleys Game with:

DVD-RB .29 (pre .29a and .29b)

no overflow errors or any other issues. everything looks great.

thanks for all of the work on this jdobbs.

[edit]: did find some skipping/stuttering of video at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .29
ImageTool
DVDDecrypter (write)

[KungFuCow]

Did my troubled child, Bring It On Again with .29b. Process completed fine, still grossly undersized however. 3.68GB.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
Did my troubled child, Bring It On Again with .29b. Process completed fine, still grossly undersized however. 3.68GB. Are you doing NTSC? I believe I have this movie lying around somewhere to test.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by 2COOL
Are you doing NTSC? I believe I have this movie lying around somewhere to test.

Yup.. NTSC

Strangely enough this is the one movie Ive done that comes out undersized EVERY time.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
Yup.. NTSC

Strangely enough this is the one movie Ive done that comes out undersized EVERY time. I found it. Now, I need more information on what software are you using and if you pre-stripped anything out. I'm thinking of doing the whole DVD, keeping everything, which comes out to 7.72 GB (8,298,199,040 bytes).

[KungFuCow]

I havent prestripped anything or preprocessed it with anything. The only thing thats been removed is the audio streams and they are being removed by DVD-RB.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
I havent prestripped anything or preprocessed it with anything. The only thing thats been removed is the audio streams and they are being removed by DVD-RB.
I loaded my files in DVD-RB 0.29b and was going to strip out just 2 of 4 audios (DTS and French) and I only had these detected in my movie titleset, VTS_06.

Audio stream to keep:
Audio_1 6 Chan,DTS,Lang: English
Audio_2 6 Chan,AC3,Lang: English

In actuality, this is what I have in IfoEdit, which is 4 audio streams.

Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x80)
Audio 2: English (DTS ) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x89)
Audio 3: Français (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x82)
Audio 4: English (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x83)
What confuses me is that my DVD-RB detected audios, Audio_1 and Audio_2, are swapped according to what I see in IfoEdit. :confused: :confused:

@jdobbs

What's going on?

[DnGermany]

Quick question. Since the path for decomb and mpeg2decdg were added to RB setup, do i need to put in the location eventhough they should be auto loaded in avisynth 2.54.

[Paced]

Originally posted by DnGermany
Quick question. Since the path for decomb and mpeg2decdg were added to RB setup, do i need to put in the location eventhough they should be auto loaded in avisynth 2.54.

If you already have mpeg2dec3.dll in your AVISynth 2.5/plugins directory, you won't need to give it a location in DVD-RB. But, you will need to give DVD-RB the location of your Decomb.dll (the 'Deinterlace with DECOMB' option won't activate until you give it a path).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DnGermany
Quick question. Since the path for decomb and mpeg2decdg were added to RB setup, do i need to put in the location eventhough they should be auto loaded in avisynth 2.54. If it is correctly loaded in the Plug-in directory and the registry entry is set correctly you don't have to set the path at all. But there were so many incorrectly installed versions of MPEG2DEC found on the first few rounds of DVD-RB that I decided to make a preemptive strike.

[DnGermany]

First of all, thanks for the great program. Thanks for the quick response and keep up the good work. To you add the many other programmers that make our lives easier thanks.

[caprioles9000]

wicked tool :) simply wicked

I backed up 24 season1 disc1 region 2 Pal:

everything went smooth so i thought i should burn it on an RW and see if it plays..menu was fine however ...i also had video stuttering and then it just hangs.....and the chapters did not work ...but besides that ..great ..and fast tooooo :) ....will be a great tool when it becomes final :)

[2COOL]

@KungFuCow

I tried to strip out any audios with Bring It On (R1) but there's still a problem with DVD-RB 0.29b keeping audios, in question, being unstripped. I knew I selected DTS for removal but it was still there as confirmed in VobEdit. Anyways, my end size came out to 4.31 GB.

[Mephiston]

Just tried .30

No matter what i do it says CCE Path not set, run setup or something like that.

[StifflerStealth]

I have a disc with a folder labled JACKET_P. After the Rebuild phase, can I just copy that folder from the source to the DVD-RB working directory and those files will work? Or do there need to bespecial entries in the IFO files to make them work. If there need to be entries in the IFO files, does DVD-RB copy them to the new ifo files? Last, what are the files in the JACKET_P folder for? I've seen an option in DVD Maestro to add jacket file, bu never had a clear explination of what they're for.

Thanks,
Stiff

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
I have a disc with a folder labled JACKET_P. After the Rebuild phase, can I just copy that folder from the source to the DVD-RB working directory and those files will work? Or do there need to bespecial entries in the IFO files to make them work. If there need to be entries in the IFO files, does DVD-RB copy them to the new ifo files? Last, what are the files in the JACKET_P folder for? I've seen an option in DVD Maestro to add jacket file, bu never had a clear explination of what they're for.

Thanks,
Stiff Just copying should work.

[redfive19]

ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) is no longer in the options. Any ideas? Also, it's not putting the path to decomb in the AVS's. I know this dvd is interlaced. I thought it also needed the FieldDeinterlace() command as well. just an fyi! Keep up the great work.

v0.30

-redfive

[Offline]

@ jdobbs

A minor point but if the Temp field is not set in the
main screen, the first third of the process is activated
and ends with an error when the .AVS files cannot be located.
Just needs some idiot proofing here - perhaps a system default path
or a rebuilder warning msg.

I got the overflow error again with v0.29b but will try v0.30
before posting details.

Thanks.

[SAPSTAR]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
I have a disc with a folder labled JACKET_P. After the Rebuild phase, can I just copy that folder from the source to the DVD-RB working directory and those files will work? Or do there need to bespecial entries in the IFO files to make them work. If there need to be entries in the IFO files, does DVD-RB copy them to the new ifo files? Last, what are the files in the JACKET_P folder for? I've seen an option in DVD Maestro to add jacket file, bu never had a clear explination of what they're for.

Thanks,
Stiff

The Jacket_p directory is used to display a picture (The movie jacket for example) instead of a blank/blue screen when you press the stop button on your DVD player...of course some players aren't compatible with that option and just ignore this directory..My Sony NS715P does it....You can copy them, it will work...no encryption....just pictures...

SAPSTAR.

[djan]

Hi, just need some clarifications about 0.31. Does it scan if the source is interlaced or not ? If yes, does it deinterlace automatically ? Do I have to select "Deinterlace with DECOMB" to deinterlace the source ? And do I have to unselect it if I know it's not interlaced or is all automatic ?

Thx to make it all clear for me.

[sreemv]

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort"

DVD-RB: 0.31B
EclCCE: Yes

The error popped up after first 2 steps were successful.
Trying to backup "Harry Potter Sorcerers Stone".

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by djan
Hi, just need some clarifications about 0.31. Does it scan if the source is interlaced or not ? If yes, does it deinterlace automatically ? Do I have to select "Deinterlace with DECOMB" to deinterlace the source ? And do I have to unselect it if I know it's not interlaced or is all automatic ?

Thx to make it all clear for me. It scans no matter what. It examines the "progressive" flag. No, it does not deinterlace automatically -- mainly because that isn't always desirable -- but if you check the "Deinterlace with DECOMB" AVS option and it is interlaced the source will be deinterlaced. Sources that are recognized as progressive are never deinterlaced.

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It scans no matter what. It examines the "progressive" flag. No, it does not deinterlace automatically -- mainly because that isn't always desirable -- but if you check the "Deinterlace with DECOMB" AVS option and it is interlaced the source will be deinterlaced. Sources that are recognized as progressive are never deinterlaced. So, even the source is not interlaced and I select "deinterlace with DECOMB", it'll not be deinterlaced ?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by djan
So, even the source is not interlaced and I select "deinterlace with DECOMB", it'll not be deinterlaced ? If the source is not interlaced there is never a reason to deinterlace. If the source is progressive -- deinterlacing will never be added -- the "Deinterlace with DECOM" would have no effect.

[chadp1a]

@jdobbs

What fixes as of now will be included in the .32 update?

[geffroman]

Originally posted by chadp1a
@jdobbs

What fixes as of now will be included in the .32 update? Hey jdobbs... while you are at it... and doing nothing else... what fixes are you planning for .38.54.6... and .39.22.1

Thanks... :devil:

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by geffroman
Hey jdobbs... while you are at it... and doing nothing else... what fixes are you planning for .38.54.6... and .39.22.1

Thanks... :devil:

Is there a problem with my previous post?

[Joergen]

No its just a waste of time to ask about the next version. I know we're all excited about the development and would like a fully working version as soon as possible, but lets just give jdobbs some room and accept every new beta with cheers.

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by Joergen
No its just a waste of time to ask about the next version. I know we're all excited about the development and would like a fully working version as soon as possible, but lets just give jdobbs some room and accept every new beta with cheers.

Yes but very excited is not the words to describe such a program jdobbs has created. I'm thinking more along the lines of an amazing piece of work from a genius when it comes to programming.

My AudioDub settings are checked upon initial startup of RB .31 but I have to uncheck and then recheck for it to be added to the avs files. Not a big deal really but every once in a while I will forget to do this and when I get back to the house after the phases have completed I notice that the AudioDub is not there.

That's the reason for my initial post. Hopes that this may be on the agenda for the next release.

Anyways thanks for your professional response.

[robw]

Originally posted by chadp1a
Yes but very excited is not the words to describe such a program jdobbs has created. I'm thinking more along the lines of an amazing piece of work from a genius when it comes to programming.

You gotta love people with such enthusiasm :D

[issa]

Jdobbs,

Did DVD-RB support LPCM audio?

issa.

[cdburrner]

i'm trying to back up csi season 1 disc 1 (ntsc)

dvd rebuilder v0.31b
cce 2.50
avisynth 2.5.4
one click method

it takes a while in Phase I: preparation... jumps right through Phase II: encoding, starts to rebuild, and then i get an error window stating that "There's nothing to be done"

sorry if this problem has already been stated, but i didnt feel like reading through 40-someodd pages. call me lazy.

[cdburrner]

ohhh... and one more thing.

as i'm no programmer i'm not sure exactly how difficult this would be but.... maybe have rebuilder check to make sure all the paths for exe's and dll's are valid BEFORE starting a project. i know it sounds dumb, but it might save some idiots out there (like me) the hour it takes preparing the sources before it discovers you renamed your cce folder sinse the last time you used rebuilder.

OR... add PAL to NTSC conversion. not sure how possible menu reauthoring would be handled... or is that just laughable? anyhow, i have a big donation waiting for easy PAL conversion!
at long last... i could watch david lynch's "lost highway" on something besides a cheap apex player.

regardless, i'll be making a donation of some sort as soon as i have the cash. thanks for the great prog

[geffroman]

Originally posted by cdburrner
OR... add PAL to NTSC conversion. not sure how possible menu reauthoring would be handled... or is that just laughable? anyhow, i have a big donation waiting for easy PAL conversion!
at long last... i could watch david lynch's "lost highway" on something besides a cheap apex player. I was under the impression from reading on this forum that PAL to NTSC conversion creates a horrible result... am I wrong...?

[nwg]

it takes a while in Phase I: preparation... jumps right through Phase II: encoding, starts to rebuild, and then i get an error window stating that "There's nothing to be done"

Are you using eclCCE? The eclCCE file needs to know where the eclCCE exe file is. Double click on eclCCE and it will ask for the location of the CCE exe file. You then need to get DVD RB point to the eclCCE exe rather than the CCE exe file.

[cdburrner]

man do i feel dumb... i thought eclcce was asking for a path to cce to patch it, making it compatible with command line. didn't know i had to open cce through eclcce. fixed. reencoding as we speek.

and no, i dont believe PAL the NTSC has horrible results... i mean, i'm sure it does when people try to use crappy programs such as nero recode, but using pulldown, it should look just fine. just wondering if there was a simple way to work it into rebuilder.

[CiViC]

Originally posted by sreemv
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort"

DVD-RB: 0.31B
EclCCE: Yes

The error popped up after first 2 steps were successful.
Trying to backup "Harry Potter Sorcerers Stone".

I got the same thing when I checked my pc this morning :(

I deleted all my old versions of DVD-RB; where can I still download them..? (maybe the older ones will rebuild it fine)

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by CiViC
I got the same thing when I checked my pc this morning :(

I deleted all my old versions of DVD-RB; where can I still download them..? (maybe the older ones will rebuild it fine)

It has been already reported it is not recommended to switch back to older releases of DVD-RB. If errors are FLAGGED in the the actual release and not in the older, it does'nt mean that the ERRORS were not present earlier, it means just they were not stopping the program.

DVD-RB is in beta test, and the troubles you have are reported by many other beta testes; you'd better just be patient, looking for new releases of DVD-RB that hopefully will fix the reported bugs...

Cheers

[luphy]

Sorry if this is a question already answered or if it's too basic but I haven't had a chance to run RB yet due to hard disk space limitation. I'm relatively ignorant of the whole Big3 process so I figured I'd let the experts sort out the problems during this beta testing phase.

Anyways, does RB have the ability to combine different titlesets into one title? I often do backups of episodes and will use Shrink to trim out the repetitive intros/credits. But that creates several titlesets.

I figured with my space limitation (will have to buy an external HD for my laptop one of these days), maybe I could run Shrink and have it decrypt and trim the movie without any compression, then run that through RB. I never backup extras btw.

Thanks.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by luphy
Anyways, does RB have the ability to combine different titlesets into one title? I often do backups of episodes and will use Shrink to trim out the repetitive intros/credits. But that creates several titlesets.


At this point RB can only do (nearly) direct backups, the only thing it can change (by removal) are audio streams. It can't even remove titlesets, let alone re-arrange them. I know Jdobbs has plans for it to do much more, but from what I have gathered any advanced processes (like restructuring the layout) would be a long way off, if it were to ever happen.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by luphy
I often do backups of episodes and will use Shrink to trim out the repetitive intros/credits. But that creates several titlesets. I am guessing that what you really need is a great editor... I am a huge fan of Sopranos, CSI, Law & Order, NYPD, MASH and have done tons of episodic DVDs. You can keep the menus for navigation and delete just about anything you want... remove buttons, substitute intros and extras or delete them creating the perfect DVD for you with DVDReMake (Thread here). (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70006)

Then run the finished project through DVD-RB.

DVD-RM + DVD-RB = DVD-Perfection !

[robw]

Originally posted by geffroman
Then run the finished project through DVD-RB.

DVD-RM + DVD-RB = DVD-Perfection !

Geffroman
you've got a great product and I absolutely agree that the combination with DVD-RB is an absolutely amazing combination.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by robw
Geffroman
you've got a great product and I absolutely agree that the combination with DVD-RB is an absolutely amazing combination. I wish it was mine... I am just a happy customer sharing the good word...

[robw]

Originally posted by geffroman
I wish it was mine... I am just a happy customer sharing the good word...

oops. I actually did know that ... Dimad's the one :)
Your name just pops in my mind because you started the thread in the ifo/vob editors section.

[YaoMing11]

How is the quality using Rejig with DVD-RB compared to say Instant Copy 8 if I had to compress the movie to around 73%? I'd really like to know you guys' opinions.

[nwg]

Rejig is excellent. I have done as low as 65% and it was excellent to look at.

[E-Male]

Originally posted by YaoMing11
How is the quality using Rejig with DVD-RB compared to say Instant Copy 8 if I had to compress the movie to around 73%? I'd really like to know you guys' opinions.
to really answere this question you have to try both with every movie you want to transcode, because it depends much on the material

[djan]

Originally posted by geffroman
DVD-RM + DVD-RB = DVD-Perfection ! Can't I make the job with DVDStripper and MenuEdit ? :)

[Axlemar]

I heard that Jdobbs is going to support tmpgenc eventually, thanks for the range of encoders by the way. I was wondering if Quenc or tmpgenc give better results and is there a way to test tmpgenc as of right now, through a plugin or a possible script. This program has come a long way in a short time and I hope the stutter and sync issues are resolved. Thanks a lot Jdobbs!

[cdburrner]

yo jdobbs...

how possible would it be to have rebuilder keep a temp log, enabling it to resume a project that went bad? i use CCE 2.66+ and 2.50 and every once in a while it'll hang while encoding. but works fine the second or third time around. is this possible at all? for example cce hangs while encoding the 5th part of VTS #2... you just reopen rebuilder and load up your project and log. rebuilder notices that the last completed part was the 4th section of VTS #2, and you can continue on from there. or perhaps you could even switch between different versions of CCE... perhaps 2.67 was freezing for some unknown reason. and you could continue where you left off with an older version of CCE. just a though. i'm not sure how hard this would be to implement, but it's sounds dooable in theory.

let me know what you think!

also, do you plan on making rebuilder delete the D2VAVS folder once a job is successfully completed?

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! you're the f*ing man.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by cdburrner
yo jdobbs...

how possible would it be to have rebuilder keep a temp log, enabling it to resume a project that went bad? i use CCE 2.66+ and 2.50 and every once in a while it'll hang while encoding. but works fine the second or third time around. is this possible at all? for example cce hangs while encoding the 5th part of VTS #2... you just reopen rebuilder and load up your project and log. rebuilder notices that the last completed part was the 4th section of VTS #2, and you can continue on from there. or perhaps you could even switch between different versions of CCE... perhaps 2.67 was freezing for some unknown reason. and you could continue where you left off with an older version of CCE. just a though. i'm not sure how hard this would be to implement, but it's sounds dooable in theory.

let me know what you think!

also, do you plan on making rebuilder delete the D2VAVS folder once a job is successfully completed?

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! you're the f*ing man. I'll implement this as a part of the pause and resume function.

[cdburrner]

sweet jesus! what a reply, and in a very timely manner to boot!...

one quick question though. by pause and resume, do you mean resume from where you paused? or do you mean resume as in "yeah, CCE 2.66 sh*t the bed, i had to restart my computer. good thing i can open rebuilder and resume from VTS #89" i'm curious as to how rebuilder handles CCE... are the files it makes to be used with CCE exclusive to that version alone? or is my question about resuming a project with a different version of CCE a crazy man's dream and a programmer's nightmare?

you know JD... i did post saying i would donate and i would have done so this morning, if it weren't for a speeding ticket last night. rest assured you'll be getting what i can send on the 15th. we in the department of defense call that payday.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by cdburrner
sweet jesus! what a reply, and in a very timely manner to boot!...

one quick question though. by pause and resume, do you mean resume from where you paused? or do you mean resume as in "yeah CCE sh*t the bed, i had to restart my computer. good thing i can open rebuilder and resume from VTS #89" just wondering.

you know jd... i did post saying i would donate and i would have done so this morning, if it weren't for a speeding ticket last night. rest assured you'll be getting what i can send on the 15th. I plan to make it resume after the last successful step. But remember there are some limitations. If CCE (or some other package) screws up, but successfully returns to DVD-RB, there is no way for the program to know that -- and it will asssume everything is ok...

BTW: Sorry about the ticket...

[cdburrner]

yeah they suck.... i was just restationed from anchorage, alaska to panama city beach, florida... these damn highways down here. flat, straight... looking like a runway, but damned if they lift the speed limit over 45!

well, peace out. time for OVER-priced beer and UNDER-aged girls. ahhh spring break.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Axlemar
I heard that Jdobbs is going to support tmpgenc eventually, thanks for the range of encoders by the way. I was wondering if Quenc or tmpgenc give better results and is there a way to test tmpgenc as of right now, through a plugin or a possible script. This program has come a long way in a short time and I hope the stutter and sync issues are resolved. Thanks a lot Jdobbs! You can open AVS files with TMPGEnc if you have it set up right. You could run PREPARE, and then run TMPGENC on the resulting AVS files, followed by a REBUILD. But you'd have to someone determine and set all the configuration parameters for TMPEGENC. I'm not familiar enough with its file formats to do that automatically or it would be supported already.

I can tell you that from my experience in the past, TMPGENC was second only to CCE -- but that was before all the FFMPEG improvements that QuEnc has. So I'm not sure how they rate against each other now.

[cdburrner]

and one more thing.... perhaps i can donate in another way. besides domestic currency....

how bout a nifty, new icon for dvdrb? anything you're needing graphics wise? not saying you're not capable of photoshoping something up... just offering.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by cdburrner
yeah they suck.... i was just restationed from anchorage, alaska to panama city beach, florida... these damn highways down here. flat, straight... looking like a runway, but damned if they lift the speed limit over 45!

well, peace out. time for OVER-priced beer and UNDER-aged girls. ahhh spring break. Elmendorf to Tyndall I assume... big change.

[cdburrner]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Elmendorf to Tyndall I assume... big change.

wow! you're not in are you? ok ok ok... this time i'm really out. later.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by cdburrner
wow! you're not in are you? No. But I get around.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by djan
Can't I make the job with DVDStripper and MenuEdit ? :)

Sure... That would change the equation to:

DVDStripper + MenuEdit + DVD-RB = Extra Steps:cool:

IMHO

[cdburrner]

yo dobbs...

i'm using RB .31 and cce 2.66 doesnt like one of the cells... but i can close out the project and CCE will automatically go on to the next file and finish the rest of the movie... once CCE's finished, if i wanted to edit the rebuilder.ecl file to only include the problematic cell could i load it into a different version of CCE? i guess what i'm asking is if ecl files are universal or are they exclusive to the version of CCE used?

perhaps this could be used as a work around? if RB detects that cce hangs or freezes on a particular cell, it could skip it, go on and give the user a notice once the encoding is done... asking the user to pick a different method of encoding and finish the job up.

edit: and if anyone else knows the answer to my eclcce question, feel more than free to answer it and save jdobbs the hastle. i would just test this for myself, but i'm away from my (personal)computer for a while and kinda mulling over it.

[djan]

Originally posted by geffroman
Sure... That would change the equation to:

DVDStripper + MenuEdit + DVD-RB = Extra Steps:cool:

IMHO But the result is the same. :) --> Perfect backup !

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by cdburrner
yo dobbs...

i'm using RB .31 and cce 2.66 doesnt like one of the cells... but i can close out the project and CCE will automatically go on to the next file and finish the rest of the movie... once CCE's finished, if i wanted to edit the rebuilder.ecl file to only include the problematic cell could i load it into a different version of CCE? i guess what i'm asking is if ecl files are universal or are they exclusive to the version of CCE used?

perhaps this could be used as a work around? if RB detects that cce hangs or freezes on a particular cell, it could skip it, go on and give the user a notice once the encoding is done... asking the user to pick a different method of encoding and finish the job up.

edit: and if anyone else knows the answer to my eclcce question, feel more than free to answer it and save jdobbs the hastle. i would just test this for myself, but i'm away from my (personal)computer for a while and kinda mulling over it. ECLs change between versions of CCE. Define "doesn't like it" -- it isn't very often that the problem is in CCE...

[cdburrner]

define it... well i ripped the dvd at 9x and cce 2.66 would start the 6th vaf of vts 1... it would always do the first pass... while doing the actual encoding it would freeze at 88% (tried it 3 times) . i thought maybe i ripped it too fast and the original VOB was corrupt. i ripped it again at 2x. now 2.66 freezes at 98%. 2.50 didnt have a problem with either rip.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by cdburrner
define it... well i ripped the dvd at 9x and cce 2.66 would start the 6th vaf of vts 1... it would always do the first pass... while doing the actual encoding it would freeze at 88% (tried it 3 times) . i thought maybe i ripped it too fast and the original VOB was corrupt. i ripped it again at 2x. now 2.66 freezes at 98%. 2.50 didnt have a problem with either rip. Now that's interesting... what's the movie? I'd like to take a look at it.

[cdburrner]

i'm backing up CSI season 1... this problem is with disc 3. perhaps it's the disc, but i highly doubt it...

maybe i'll even try ripping it with smart ripper, might make a difference. i've have seen stranger things when it comes to dvds.

also... the source is interlaced, i check decomb and i have the path for decomb.dll correct, but my output is still interlaced. i think i've seen someone already post on this subject, but i dont remember what was said. i'm not too worried as the output still looked fine (considering the original quality isnt too great to begin with) and but i assume that sometimes it's better to keep interlaced video interlaced.

[cdburrner]

ok... what i did.

CCE 2.66 went on about its way once i closed out the job for the 6th vaf of VTS 1, encoding the rest of the movie without a problem. i then opened rebuilder.ecl and edited it, leaving only the info pointing the the problematic section...
--------------------------------------------------------------------

title=V01000500001006
aud_out=0
vaf_file=C:\dvdrip\dvd5\D2VAVS\V01000500001006.vaf
aud_file=C:\dvdrip\dvd5\D2VAVS\V01000500001006.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=480
frame_rate_idx=4
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=920
vbr_brate_min=000
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=2
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gap_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frame=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
create_new_vaf=1
credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000
h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8
qmat_idx=0
quality_prec=20
vid_file0=C:\dvdrip\dvd5\D2VAVS\V01000500001006.m2v
vid_file1=C:\dvdrip\dvd5\D2VAVS\V01000500001006.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
video_type=4
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=9000
vbr_bias=5
vbr_pass=2
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

[file]
name=C:\dvdrip\dvd5\D2VAVS\V01000500001006.avs
frame_first=0
frame_last=1076
encode_first=0
encode_last=1076
--------------------------------------------------------------------
i saved this in a different directory, keeping the original rebuilder.ecl intact. i also copy & pasted all the necessary D2V, AVS, and VAF files for this particular section to the folder with my nifty new ecl file. reopened EclCCE and tried one final time to encode it with 2.66. this time it froze at 44%, which i find rather wierd sinse it froze at the same place sooo many times before... now 44%? don't ask me...

now i try CCE 2.50 and it opens my edited ecl file (which rebuilder made for 2.66) and encodes just fine. you'll note the vbr averate is only 920.... this vaf was just like 30 seconds of credits. dont know if that matters... cce doesnt have some special filter for credits does it? i know other programs (for xvid) have them.

anyway... now that everything is encoded, rebuilder is still waiting for me to reauthor (i'm using the 3 step method)... it's half way done, but it [I]did get through "rebuilding segment 5 VOBID:1 CELLID:6" when updating information in NAVPACKS just fine!

UPDATE: well, rebuilder finished uh... rebuilding. and the final product works just fine. i guess you can use an ecl file intended for one particular version of CCE with another after all.

[candsh]

I have never used CCE but have been following this thread(s) with much interest. Decided to try it and used Rejig and had perfect results the first time I used it on "Cast Away". Was so excited that I ordered CCE Basic ( $58 sales@visiblelight.com) and have been shut out since. Jdobbs has remarked that he is turning out DVD after DVD with CCE Basic and no problems. Is there a place to show how to set it up for this program. I have read the guides but all that is there is for the RobShot method. All I am doing now is crashing the computer about 3/4 of the way thru. Followed all the setup instructions to the letter but there must be something more to setting up CCE than my pea brain can grasp.

[cdburrner]

what exactly do you mean by "set up"? rebuilder does everything for you, save the few options it gives you... and as far as they go...

i personally use a VERY low bias when encoding very long movies or episodic (TV) dvds... such as CSI, which i'm doing right now... it's about 180+ minutes per disc and full screen to boot, which makes quite a difference. (takes up more space than widescreen sinse the picture's larger)

as for quality_prec i leave it at about 20.

and passes... you can get into a rather heated discussion about the number of passes one should use. i'll go with 2 passes if i'm dropping down a drama (read: not too much action or movement) or a shorter movie. i'll make 3 passes on longer movies or movies with lots of action or scenes with lots of detail (matrix revolutions) pretty much anything with lots of fire, water, rain... things like that. every once in a while i'll go 4 or 5, but that's just on special occasions like lord of the rings.

just make sure that you copy all the files in the EclCCE zip you download into your CCE folder. run eclcce and the first time it'll ask you to direct it to the cce main program exe. after that, open rebuilder and go to settings under options. it asks for the file path to CCE 2.50, CCE (new), rejig, etc... make sure that you direct it to the eclcce program and not cce!!!

and one more thing. you can set up rebuilder to use multiple versions of CCE, but just make sure that for each version you have it in a different folder (duh) and have a different eclcce for each version... otherwise, you might think you're using cce 2.50 cause you checked it off in the options in rebuilder, but the path you gave it will take you to the eclcce you already pointed at cce 2.66 or 2.67

hopefully i havent been too confusing. if so, just explain what you're not understanding.

[candsh]

Thanks cdburrner,
I have not included the eclcce files in my CCE Basic. I wasn't sure I needed it for this version. Will download and set them up and try again. Thanks very much for your quick response.

[cdburrner]

hmm... i've actually never used the basic version before, so you quite possibly dont even neet eclcce... but hey, it couldnt hurt.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by cdburrner
hmm... i've actually never used the basic version before, so you quite possibly dont even neet eclcce... but hey, it couldnt hurt.

You dont.

[robot1]

EclCCE is needed for CCE2.50 and for CCE2.x demo.
CCE Basic doesn't need EclCCE.
@candsh
are you sure that your computer is "rock stable" ?
Other users haven't crashes with cce basic.

[facialcrunch]

I was trying to use version 0.34 to copy the Gladiator Widescreen DVD. The original is 7.8 GB. I am using CCESP (new) with it with CCEECL. I've tried the one-step process and the three-step process. Both times, it took about 3-4 hrs. and I got my resultant AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS (with files) folders without errors. If I open the folder with the files with PowerDVD, it works fine. If I open it with Cineplayer or WinDVD, it freezes. I've used DVDFab and Nero to burn each to a DVDR- and it will not run on my computer or hardware DVD player. The burned disk freezes on the computer and when I try to load it in my hardware DVD, it pauses for about 10 seconds and then skips to the next disk. I haven't tried another movie yet.

Have you seen this problem before? Have I done something wrong? Just my experience to help with the progress. Thanks for the beginnings of a great program!

[Joergen]

Originally posted by facialcrunch
I was trying to use version 0.34 to copy the Gladiator Widescreen DVD. The original is 7.8 GB. I am using CCESP (new) with it with CCEECL. I've tried the one-step process and the three-step process. Both times, it took about 3-4 hrs. and I got my resultant AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS (with files) folders without errors. If I open the folder with the files with PowerDVD, it works fine. If I open it with Cineplayer or WinDVD, it freezes. I've used DVDFab and Nero to burn each to a DVDR- and it will not run on my computer or hardware DVD player. The burned disk freezes on the computer and when I try to load it in my hardware DVD, it pauses for about 10 seconds and then skips to the next disk. I haven't tried another movie yet.

Have you seen this problem before? Have I done something wrong? Just my experience to help with the progress. Thanks for the beginnings of a great program!

I just did Gladiator (russel crowe) Special two disc limited edition R2 with the same setup as you without problems (have now watched it half-way also). I'm currently encoding the extras-disc.

[luphy]

I read somewhere that DVD2DVDR does not require writing temp files during the encoding process but can read/process data directly off the DVD?

Does DVDRB do the same or does it require a complete decrypted HD copy to process?

[tf]

It requires the DVD to be decrypted.

-tf

[luphy]

Just some general questions:

How long does it take to encode using QuEnc versus CCE (2 or 3 passes total)?

And let's assume a high compression is needed for a certain movie, is QuEnc definitely better than Rejig or other transcoders? I know it's a somewhat forbidden question, but it seems at least that everyone agrees that CCE definitely beats out the transcoders at high compression.

And regarding versions of CCE, is there any reason people are still using 2.50 instead of 2.6 or 2.7?

[Joergen]

CCE takes long theres no doubt, on an XP2100+ (your lower end CPU today) about 5 hours for a movie in 3pass (which is enough passes imo) and I dont care about other encoders because they cant touch CCE.

But if a movie can be transcoded, it can be transcoded with dvdshrink. And if it cant (below 75%), then it should be done with CCE imho.

[nwg]

How long does it take to encode using QuEnc versus CCE (2 or 3 passes total)?

QuEnc does a two pass encode. It is about the same time as a two pass CCE. The quality is excellent.

I like it very much but it suffers from the runtime error 5 problem during the rebuild stage on some DVD's.

I am using CCE2.50 and plan to stick with it. It works well for me.

[Cokedealer]

Dunno if i missed it or not but is multi angles included yet? It would help for some of these anime dvds im working on.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Cokedealer
Dunno if i missed it or not but is multi angles included yet? It would help for some of these anime dvds im working on. Not yet. I've suspended it until I get the stuttering out.

[dancis]

I am getting buffer overflow errors all the time when rebuilding reaches about 96% .

Can this be a memory issue? how much mb does DVD-rb require?

[Joergen]

I've got 1GB of RAM myself, and plenty of swap space. But I doubt there are requirements for those?

jdobbs: what does DVD-RB say when it runs out of space on the HD during encode or recompile?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by dancis
I am getting buffer overflow errors all the time when rebuilding reaches about 96% .

Can this be a memory issue? how much mb does DVD-rb require? No. It doesn't take that much memory. The size of the buffer isn't the problem -- when I hit these situations it will overflow no matter how big I make it. Here's the priority right now:

1. BFF field order working properly
2. Stuttering done.
3. Runtime error '9'
4. Buffer overflows 0004 and 0003

I will also sprinkle other things (requests that don't take a lot of thought) into versions as I work these.

[danjx]

Sigh, I need help. I have used instructions for install and usage that were posted in this thread (page 8, I think).
This is my first attemp with DVD Rebuilder or CCE.

OS: Windows XP Home
DVD Rebuilder .38
CCE SP Trial 2.67
Mode CCE
One Click Mode

PHASE II Encoding
- Creating M2V for VTS_xx segment yy
Dialog Title "Limitation of Trial Version"
Error Message: Can't open ed file.

Clicked through all these dialogs then get "Nothing to do" error.

Probably a stupid error, but I can't find the answer. I have read up through page 12 so far of this thread.

Any suggestions?

[Paced]

Originally posted by danjx
Sigh, I need help. I have used instructions for install and usage that were posted in this thread (page 8, I think).
This is my first attemp with DVD Rebuilder or CCE.

OS: Windows XP Home
DVD Rebuilder .38
CCE SP Trial 2.67
Mode CCE
One Click Mode

PHASE II Encoding
- Creating M2V for VTS_xx segment yy
Dialog Title "Limitation of Trial Version"
Error Message: Can't open ed file.

Clicked through all these dialogs then get "Nothing to do" error.

Probably a stupid error, but I can't find the answer. I have read up through page 12 so far of this thread.

Any suggestions?

I'm pretty sure with a trial version of CCE, you'll need to feed it through EclCCE for it to work, so go here and download it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46664

Once you've downloaded and extracted it, double click on EclCCE.exe and show it where your CCE executable is (when you open EclCCE for the first time, it will ask you to point to your CCE executable).

Once you've done that, open DVD Rebuilder, then change your "Path to CCE SP (New)" to your EclCCE.exe. That should do it, I hope :)

[HarryM]

@jdobbs:

Can you add a "auto power OFF" feature, like vdubmod, please?

Do you plan a AC3 reencoding support in DVD-RB (AC3-5.1 384kbps > AC3-2.1 192kbps, AC3-5.1 448kbps > AC3-2.1 224kbps, etc.)??? :D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by HarryM
@jdobbs:

Can you add a "auto power OFF" feature, like vdubmod, please?

Do you plan a AC3 reencoding support in DVD-RB (AC3-5.1 384kbps > AC3-2.1 192kbps, AC3-5.1 448kbps > AC3-2.1 224kbps, etc.)??? :D I hadn't planned to. But I wouldn't rule it out after all the bugs are worked out.

[danjx]

Originally posted by Paced
I'm pretty sure with a trial version of CCE, you'll need to feed it through EclCCE for it to work, so go here and download it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46664

Once you've downloaded and extracted it, double click on EclCCE.exe and show it where your CCE executable is (when you open EclCCE for the first time, it will ask you to point to your CCE executable).

Once you've done that, open DVD Rebuilder, then change your "Path to CCE SP (New)" to your EclCCE.exe. That should do it, I hope :)

Yes, that was the problem. Thanks for the help and thanks to jdobbs for a wonderful program. I have now completed my first backup using DVD Rebuilder, and I'm looking forward to many more.

[unplugged]

Do you think to implement (soon) VIDEO_TS and menu videos re-encoding?

[Joergen]

I think multiangle should come before menu encoding in jdobbs todo-list. imho leaving the menus alone (only stripping some parts when applicable) gives a backup a better feel of quality instead of compressing the menu and having it all blocky (as it usually would be).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
I think multiangle should come before menu encoding in jdobbs todo-list. imho leaving the menus alone (only stripping some parts when applicable) gives a backup a better feel of quality instead of compressing the menu and having it all blocky (as it usually would be). BOV and Multiangle are the most important projects right now (after bugs) -- they've both slipped because of the dreaded stuttering, error '5', and error '9' -- right now I'm working the #0003 and #0004 errors that I've captured. I think I've found and fixed the #0003. I've known for some time what was causing the #0004 but it takes some time to implement the fix.

[Joergen]

Good to hear you're crushing those pesty roaches.

I've only seen one BOV title since the Matrix that I know of, Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata. It has a movie-length mickey-mouse-hunt thingie that would be a good test disc I think.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
Good to hear you're crushing those pesty roaches.

I've only seen one BOV title since the Matrix that I know of, Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata. It has a movie-length mickey-mouse-hunt thingie that would be a good test disc I think. They exist quite frequently, but I've masked most of them by doing a one-for-one copy of VTSs that are smaller than 50MB. The one that is really common is the audio channel and screen adjustments that come on a lot of discs.

ADDED: BTW, after I get BOV working, menus should be fairly easy. But since I don't like ugly menus, I hesitate to encode them. The exception that keeps me thinking about it are those long space-taking menus that some have reported.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs

ADDED: BTW, after I get BOV working, menus should be fairly easy. But since I don't like ugly menus, I hesitate to encode them. The exception that keeps me thinking about it are those long space-taking menus that some have reported.

Yep in R2 discs there's often two or three languages in the menus so its 3X the space. But I'd say most often menus are around 200-300MB and you can strip them down with other tools.

I was going to backup a disc just now but it has multi-angles. Multiangle for dvd-rb is my #1 want at the moment :)

But for now I will reauthor it in shrink and let rb do the encoding. I lose the menu but I gain in quality and ease of use (default audio and sub selected via shrink) so its a different kind of good.

NEW: I noticed the disc only has angles in an extra that is a meager 120MB in size. If I blank it with titlesetblanker dvd-rb still complains about the angles. Would there be a way to kill the angle detection of dvd-rb or fool it? I checked the other thread about this but I dont have dvdremake yet.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
Yep in R2 discs there's often two or three languages in the menus so its 3X the space. But I'd say most often menus are around 200-300MB and you can strip them down with other tools.

I was going to backup a disc just now but it has multi-angles. Multiangle for dvd-rb is my #1 want at the moment :)

But for now I will reauthor it in shrink and let rb do the encoding. I lose the menu but I gain in quality and ease of use (default audio and sub selected via shrink) so its a different kind of good.

NEW: I noticed the disc only has angles in an extra that is a meager 120MB in size. If I blank it with titlesetblanker dvd-rb still complains about the angles. Would there be a way to kill the angle detection of dvd-rb or fool it? I checked the other thread about this but I dont have dvdremake yet. You'd have to change the IFO. Or you could remove the VTS from the directory, set the DVD-RB output size to max-120MB, copy the VTS back into the final output directory, followed by an IFOEDIT "Get VTS Sectors".

[airplanedude]

Hi all:

Firstly, thanks very much to jdobbs for taking all the effort to provide such software.
Seems I do experience the same problem as cdburner previously did.
Having also studied the CCE threads, I did not find something which could have gone wrong; I followed all the recommendations as good as I could.
When encoding the DVD "Pulp Fiction" (German version, RC2) CCE runs into a freeze always at the same position of the file (Up to the second three times so far). During this freeze, the programm seems to be stuck in some kind of loop keeping processor load up while not making any progress. Happens for both one-click and three-click. There is no failure message coming up.

Here's what I got...

Pentium IV-M 1.8 GHz 512 MB RAM WinXP (and yes, it is rockstable, at least with other demanding apps :) )
DVD-R 0.41 and 0.40 (happens for both)
CCE SP 2.66.01.07 Trial
eclCCE 1.81

Here's the portion of the rebuilder.ecl file for which CCE freezes, in case it is useful:
title=V01002800001029
aud_out=0
vaf_file=D:\CONVERT\D2VAVS\V01002800001029.vaf
aud_file=D:\CONVERT\D2VAVS\V01002800001029.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=576
frame_rate_idx=3
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=723
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=1
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=3
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frm=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
offset_line=0
create_new_vaf=1
credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000
h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8
qmat_idx=0
quality_prec=24
vid_file0=D:\CONVERT\D2VAVS\V01002800001029.m2v
vid_file1=D:\CONVERT\D2VAVS\V01002800001029.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
video_type=4
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=9000
vbr_bias=10
vbr_pass=2
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

If someone could give me a hint what I am doing wrong I would highly appreciate it; I don't know what to to any further and I've already worn out the search button.
I'll now give CCE 2.50 a try.
Again, thanks for all your time.

Cheers,
airplanedude


[EDIT]
Darn, I just saw that I inadvertently replied to the wrong thread confused by the Abundance of windows I had opened. :(
In order not to do a cross posting I will leave it as-is for now. Sorry.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You'd have to change the IFO. Or you could remove the VTS from the directory, set the DVD-RB output size to max-120MB, copy the VTS back into the final output directory, followed by an IFOEDIT "Get VTS Sectors".

Ah clever stuff! So DVD-RB wont mind a referenced VTS not being there?
Also I think the angles of a title are mentioned in the video_ts.ifo so this might involve some more trickery?

I tried to do a similar stunt to SW Ep1 R2 bonus disc but it gives the runtime error 9 as soon as you hit prepare (with or without editing the titles) so I cant do that disc yet. But I this other disc with the 120MB angle-extra that I can test with.

EDIT: I just stripped angles from the main movie of SW Ep1 R2 without editing the VIDEO_TS.IFO and it dvd-rb doesnt seem to mind :) (preparing now)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
Ah clever stuff! So DVD-RB wont mind a referenced VTS not being there?
Also I think the angles of a title are mentioned in the video_ts.ifo so this might involve some more trickery?

I tried to do a similar stunt to SW Ep1 R2 bonus disc but it gives the runtime error 9 as soon as you hit prepare (with or without editing the titles) so I cant do that disc yet. But I this other disc with the 120MB angle-extra that I can test with.

EDIT: I just stripped angles from the main movie of SW Ep1 R2 without editing the VIDEO_TS.IFO and it dvd-rb doesnt seem to mind :) (preparing now) DVD-RB only looks in the individual IFOs for multiangles and interleaving. It won't matter soon enough, as it'll be supporting those. Frankly I thought it would have happened before now -- but I want to make the "basic" engine solid first.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs
DVD-RB only looks in the individual IFOs for multiangles and interleaving. It won't matter soon enough, as it'll be supporting those. Frankly I thought it would have happened before now -- but I want to make the "basic" engine solid first.

You're making amazing progress daily! I hope you can breathe a sigh of relief soon now that most of the problems are history, and find new energy to tackle all possible multiangle/branching dvd weirdness out there.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
You're making amazing progress daily! I hope you can breathe a sigh of relief soon now that most of the problems are history, and find new energy to tackle all possible multiangle/branching dvd weirdness out there. Thanks. I think the two biggies left are #0003 and #0004... they are a pain to fix and I keep putting them off.

[mayhem2408]

@jdobbs

Love the work so far. It's really comming along.

Quick observation. When I am encoding with CCE, I notice that while CCE is doing the encoding, ReBuilder.exe is consuming between 7-11% CPU usage and CCE is consuming the rest. What might ReBuilder be doing?

[quantum]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
Quick observation. When I am encoding with CCE, I notice that while CCE is doing the encoding, ReBuilder.exe is consuming between 7-11% CPU usage and CCE is consuming the rest. What might ReBuilder be doing? Are you running CCE in low priority? If so, switch DVD RB to low priority in Task Manager if you really care about the 7-11%.

@wmansir: I've seen this a few times. Possible candidate for the FAQ.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
@jdobbs

Love the work so far. It's really comming along.

Quick observation. When I am encoding with CCE, I notice that while CCE is doing the encoding, ReBuilder.exe is consuming between 7-11% CPU usage and CCE is consuming the rest. What might ReBuilder be doing? It doing nothing more than regular checking to see if CCE is complete. I think quantum is on the right track.

[totya]

0.42 beta

Process..ok.
Encode..ok.
Rebuild..error.

The message (modal box) : DVD rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error# 0004. Process must abort.

Best regards :

Totya

[dancis]

Here also still a buffer overflow when rebuilding , did a clean install of windows xp , al programs and still a buffer overflow. But i saw jdobbs is working on this problem as we speak!!

So i will just sit back and wait untill it is solved , i know jdobbs will solve this to! He is the master of one click encoders !!! :sly:

[totya]

oopsss...

I see new VIDEO_TS directory (size is very small), ok, Power DVD Play.

The menu is ok, but when main film is start, I see message on the DVD player screen : Script error. There is no funciton named "mpeg2source" (...\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.AVS, line5)

Totya

[Joergen]

He sure is (the master).

On a positive note, I'm doing the latest Roman Polanski masterpiece* that is long as h*ll and the reduction is 62% with only 150MB of menu on the disc and one audio and sub track, but the quality is excellent!

Today; The Pianist*. Tomorrow; Schindler's List. The day after that; Suicide. ;)

No, I like factual drama features.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by totya
There is no funciton named "mpeg2source" (...\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.AVS, line5)

Hehe.. check the FAQ in this forum. You have the Avisynth script error.

I must admit I got that the first time I tried dvd-rb but I previewed the first .m2v created in DVD2AVI and saw the error.

[philos31]

Originally posted by totya
oopsss...

I see new VIDEO_TS directory (size is very small), ok, Power DVD Play.

The menu is ok, but when main film is start, I see message on the DVD player screen : Script error. There is no funciton named "mpeg2source" (...\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.AVS, line5)

Totya
That is the dreaded avisynth error :)
Goto Options, Setup and give the path to mpeg2dec3dg
and select add to AVS file. That should do the trick.

If not search your drive for other (older) versions of avisynth and un-install them...

Edit: Hmm to late, allready got that answer :D

[totya]

Hi!

"...clean install of windows xp..."

My all programs works correctly, i should think, my XP system is very good.

"...wait untill it is solved..."

Ok, Thanks!

Totya

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by totya
Hi!

"...clean install of windows xp..."

My all programs works correctly, i should think, my XP system is very good.

"...wait untill it is solved..."

Ok, Thanks!

Totya

Dude.. read the FAQ, read the manual. Someone above just stated what you need to do to fix your problem. IT IS AN AVISYNTH SETUP PROBLEM. Its not new, everyone here has seen it before. Just because you have a clean install of XP doesnt mean that DVD-RBs enviroment is set up correctly.

[totya]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
Dude.. read the FAQ, read the manual. Someone above just stated what you need to do to fix your problem. IT IS AN AVISYNTH SETUP PROBLEM. Its not new, everyone here has seen it before. Just because you have a clean install of XP doesnt mean that DVD-RBs enviroment is set up correctly.

Thanks many reply!

Ok, I see, this is setup problem, my answer is write BEFORE get many else answer...

If this path setting very important, then the program why not says, or I think if this settings value is null, then all process button : disabled ;)

Thanks many answer!

Totya

[dancis]

Originally posted by philos31
That is the dreaded avisynth error :)
Goto Options, Setup and give the path to mpeg2dec3dg
and select add to AVS file. That should do the trick.


Allready did this , and i still get a buffer overflow. I just have to wait untill jdobbs solves the problems with error 0004

[borgraf]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It doing nothing more than regular checking to see if CCE is complete. I think quantum is on the right track.

Firstly, greetings from the PAL region. I now have very good looking backup copies of my favorite films thanks to this great app of yours jdobbs :)

I also noticed that CCE (SP 2.67 - normal priority) was running a bit slow with ReBuilder (0.42). My CCE speed with ReBuilder is a steady 2.18 on my HyperThreading enabled P4 (220*14), and Rebuilder is using about 25% CPU. I tested aborting ReBuilder, and the speed of the CCE segment that was running would slowly rise from 2.18 to a more normal 2.57. Changing the priority of either or both gave no (significant) difference in speed. With HT disabled the speed is 2.32 in both cases, and ReBuilder uses about 1% CPU.

Could it be a hyperthreading issue with ReBuilder? Maybe someone else with a HT enabled machine (and SP 2.67 ?) can verify that it's not a fluke with my machine, though I verified the phenomenon with a reboot and encoding the same segment.

I know this issue is nowhere near as important as bug squashing, but perhaps somewhere down the road...

Keep up the good work jdobbs, you are paving a road to immortality with this thing :D

[totya]

Hi all!

Well, prepare, encode ok, total time 6 hours, but PHASE III dont't work.
Program says (error dialog box) : runtime error '75' : Path file access error.

Progress : V:\VIDEO_TS\VIDEO_TS.VOB

If I'm press "ok" on the error dialog box, the program is closed.

My "V:" drive is virtual drive, mounted from ISO.

This ISO not original DVD, this DVD image created by DVD-shrink (re authoring mode), because i don't need menu, and all subtitles.

Please correct this error. I'm waiting :)

(If mounted original ISO, process starting, and few times and program says : "DVD rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow...error #0003...)

Thanks :

Totya

[wmansir]

Don't use a virtual drive. Follow the instructions in the stickie, or the readme, and extract the files in FILE mode. You shouldn't have to start over, just point your source directory to wherever you extract the files and try to rebuild again.

[totya]

Originally posted by wmansir
Don't use a virtual drive. Follow the instructions in the stickie, or the readme, and extract the files in FILE mode. You shouldn't have to start over, just point your source directory to wherever you extract the files and try to rebuild again.


Hi!

Your answer is very bad.

The readme :

"1. First, use DVD-Decrypter to rip the entire DVD, not just the movie to your
hard drive. Use file mode and take note of the output directory. You will need
it for DVD-RB."

Please, if my DVD is mounted virutal drive (from ISO) then that equally ripp in file mode (!).

The problem, if DVD not contains menu (VIDEO_TS.VOB), the DVD Rebuilder don't work.
No problem, I see this porgram is very beta. Please developed it and correct it.

Best regards :

Totya

[GizmoDerMokwai]

nice to see the new feature in 0.43b, but i'm really really really needing Multi-Angle Processing :D Just can't wait to back up my STar Wars and Shrek DVD using CCE...

[influenza]

The problem, if DVD not contains menu (VIDEO_TS.VOB), the DVD Rebuilder don't work.

I have no clue what you mean. But if you rip in filemode you'll have all files that are on the dvd, so also the menu. (just an exact copy of the video_ts folder).

I do agree that mounting an iso is a way better solution than filemode. it's a afer, more convenient method. No risk of loosing files, deleting them accidently etc.

[influenza]

nice to see the new feature in 0.43b, but i'm really really really needing Multi-Angle Processing Just can't wait to back up my STar Wars and Shrek DVD using CCE...

both titles have just very simple angles used for foreign language credits. if you can miss that just strip them out using ifoedit first and after that process with dvd-rb.

Or use the big3 method, which is perfectly capable of doing multi angled titles.

[Doom9]

nice to see the new feature in 0.43b, but i'm really really really needing Multi-Angle Processing Patience is a virtue ;)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by totya
Hi!

Your answer is very bad.

The readme :

"1. First, use DVD-Decrypter to rip the entire DVD, not just the movie to your
hard drive. Use file mode and take note of the output directory. You will need
it for DVD-RB."

Please, if my DVD is mounted virutal drive (from ISO) then that equally ripp in file mode (!).

The problem, if DVD not contains menu (VIDEO_TS.VOB), the DVD Rebuilder don't work.
No problem, I see this porgram is very beta. Please developed it and correct it.

Best regards :

Totya 1. No, it isn't equally the same -- as is proven by the error you are receiving.
2. "The problem, if DVD not contains menu" -- ???

[RB]

The default setting for DVDDecrypter File Mode is to select only "main movie" files (largest VTS). I guess totya just used this default so it didn't rip the entire DVD but just the largest VTS.

[nwg]

Originally posted by totya

The problem, if DVD not contains menu (VIDEO_TS.VOB), the DVD Rebuilder don't work.


DVD-RB works fine with film only DVD files. I have done them on reauthored Shrink files. You don't need a video_ts.vob but will need video_ts.ifo.

As already mentioned. it is the actual ISO causing the problem. It needs to be ripped in file mode to a directory (all files with the menu or just the film plus the video_ts.ifo)

[totya]

Originally posted by nwg
DVD-RB works fine with film only DVD files. I have done them on reauthored Shrink files. You don't need a video_ts.vob but will need video_ts.ifo.

As already mentioned. it is the actual ISO causing the problem. It needs to be ripped in file mode to a directory (all files with the menu or just the film plus the video_ts.ifo)


Hi!

Very thank you, your information is very important for me!
"DVD-RB works fine with film only DVD files. I have done them on reauthored Shrink files."

Well, I see, what the problem. Developers! :)
The DVDRebuilder works bad, WRITE (WRITE!) -> in the DVD source directory. Why?

This file is VIDEO_TS.VOB
File Size is 0. :)

This file already found in the destination directory.
I think this is simple programming error. This file created 2x.
The DVD Rebilder why write in the DVD source directory? :)

So not good ISO mode. This drive is READONLY.
I think, if this error correct it, this program works correctly if source is ISO.

Many error...but program even early beta...never mind!

Thanks many reply!

Totya

[rui]

Remember that the author is spending MUCH of it's time off developing this wonderfull tool for FREE!

If you aren't happy, then don't use it. Or create your own.

But don't post messages like the above one.

[Joergen]

Heh looks like somebody managed to do the sourcepath\video_ts thingie that I reported on to jdobbs :rolleyes:

Thats what designers throughout history have called "idiot proofing".

[quantum]

I think he's trying to describe a potential cause for the elusive errors that occur when reading from an ISO mounted drive. Also be aware english is probably not his first language so give him a break.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by totya
Hi!

Very thank you, your information is very important for me!
"DVD-RB works fine with film only DVD files. I have done them on reauthored Shrink files."

Well, I see, what the problem. Developers! :)
The DVDRebuilder works bad, WRITE (WRITE!) -> in the DVD source directory. Why?

This file is VIDEO_TS.VOB
File Size is 0. :)

This file already found in the destination directory.
I think this is simple programming error. This file created 2x.
The DVD Rebilder why write in the DVD source directory? :)

So not good ISO mode. This drive is READONLY.
I think, if this error correct it, this program works correctly if source is ISO.

Many error...but program even early beta...never mind!

Thanks many reply!

Totya My bad. DVD Rebuilder can't correct your inability to read instructions.

@quantum

Sorry, I'm not very inclined to be sympathetic today. Maybe if this person had spent the last several hundred of his/her own unpaid free time developing something to try and simplify the process for a lot of people and give them a quality backup -- then and only then would I be tempted to give that person a break.

[nwg]

Jdobbs, ignore this person. You are doing a wonderful job.

[totya]

Hi all!

Ok, I not say more bug...and solving (!). Else I'm programming too... about 15 years... I'm happy, if any people send me bug reports, or solving (!)... this is problem? this is problem?

I'm not happy. Simple file duplication bug, and this program not working from ISO...many people say, read readme...

Totya

[philos31]

Originally posted by jdobbs
My bad. DVD Rebuilder can't correct your inability to read instructions.


:D LOL very much LOL hehehe

Let us ignore this Troll!

About the new "release" I am so very happy about the half D1 Half bitrate.
I just did my Ong-Bak DVD again and got 16% extra for the main movie...

This program gets better and better by the hour!

I just can't imagine what the 1.0 version will look like :p

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by totya
Hi all!

Ok, I not say more bug...and solving (!). Else I'm programming too... about 15 years... I'm happy, if any people send me bug reports, or solving (!)... this is problem? this is problem?

I'm not happy. Simple file duplication bug, and this program not working from ISO...many people say, read readme...

Totya

I use virtual drives exclusively mounted with Alcohol 120% and I have never had the problem you are having.

[DDogg]

Originally posted by KungFuCow -
I use virtual drives exclusively mounted with Alcohol 120% and I have never had the problem you are having.I said that also, until ntsc "revolutions". If somebody does not get the 75 on this title using XP and alcohol or [daemon] tools, please let us know. Perhaps it is some machine specific setting causing the problem? I can replicate this error on demand, anytime.

Let's try to get this thread back on a constructive road. :)

/Add: Disclaimer - ISO mounted source is not officially supported by DVD-RB.

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by totya

The DVDRebuilder works bad, WRITE (WRITE!) -> in the DVD source directory. Why?


I've just mounted an ISO image created with DVD Decrypter and ran ReBuilder over it. No problems at all.

[Turambar]

same problem here with Matrix Revolutions and Gothika, of all things.:scared:

The weird thing is --- with early versions of DVD Rebuilder (i.e., "16"), I could run AnyDVD and then have Rebuilder read directly from the source and go right through the rebuild phase without any errors.

No biggy --- It's just that ripping the files to the hard disk and then running Rebuilder takes longer??

BTW, a fantastic program, Jerry! I sent you $15 via Pay Pal last week.:D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by philos31
:D LOL very much LOL hehehe

Let us ignore this Troll!

About the new "release" I am so very happy about the half D1 Half bitrate.
I just did my Ong-Bak DVD again and got 16% extra for the main movie...

This program gets better and better by the hour!

I just can't imagine what the 1.0 version will look like :p I was thinking I might use the Microsoft strategy and call the first release v6.0...

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
I said that also, until ntsc "revolutions". If somebody does not get the 75 on this title using XP and alcohol or deamon tools, please let us know. Perhaps it is some machine specific setting causing the problem? I can replicate this error on demand, anytime.

Let's try to get this thread back on a constructive road. :)

/Add: Disclaimer - ISO mounted source is not officially supported by DVD-RB. I'm picking this DVD up later today (I got two donations today!) and will mount it using daemon tools. I'm kinda' getting to like the "mounting" concept... I've always just used file mode in the past.

I'll find out what's causing it and fix it -- I can't imagine right now... I pretty much just open the files and read from them...

[mpennel]

Yes, supporting mounted images would be great! I mount almost all my decrypted images, and until now, it wasn't a problem. Like someone mentioned previously, Matrix Revolutions gives an error when mounted, and yes, DVDRB tries to write the file "VIDEO_TS.VOB" to the virtual drive, which causes the error. The VIDEO_TS.VOB file is 0 bytes, but it is there nonetheless after I set my source to files on my HD instead of the virtual drive.

Keep up the good work! It is turning into a very amazing, and useful program!

Mark

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mpennel
Yes, supporting mounted images would be great! I mount almost all my decrypted images, and until now, it wasn't a problem. Like someone mentioned previously, Matrix Revolutions gives an error when mounted, and yes, DVDRB tries to write the file "VIDEO_TS.VOB" to the virtual drive, which causes the error. The VIDEO_TS.VOB file is 0 bytes, but it is there nonetheless after I set my source to files on my HD instead of the virtual drive.

Keep up the good work! It is turning into a very amazing, and useful program!

Mark Trys to write to the virtual drive??? I must have missed that... Are you saying the original source didn't have a VIDEO_TS.VOB and my code created one??? That's odd.

[quantum]

Originally posted by DDogg
I said that also, until ntsc "revolutions". If somebody does not get the 75 on this title using XP and alcohol or deamon tools, please Does that disk have any zero length files on it?

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm picking this DVD up later today (I got two donations today!) and will mount it using daemon tools. I'm kinda' getting to like the "mounting" concept... I've always just used file mode in the past.

I'll find out what's causing it and fix it -- I can't imagine right now... I pretty much just open the files and read from them...

Mounting is great, especially if you don't want people tampering with the source or missing files.

Anyway, before I saw your response I started this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74924) to track this problem. We can continue this particular discussion there. Hopefully you will be able to recreate the error and it won't be necessary.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
Mounting is great, especially if you don't want people tampering with the source or missing files.

Anyway, before I saw your response I started this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74924) to track this problem. We can continue this particular discussion there. Hopefully you will be able to recreate the error and it won't be necessary. Actually I think I owe Totya an apology... I stand in humble embarrassment.

I don't think I understood what he said -- and it appears he was right. I have a "copy file" routine that attempts to copy from the source disc (mounted in this case) to the destination. It made the assumption there was always a VIDEO_TS.VOB file -- so when it tried to "open" the original that didn't exist, it (by default) attempted to create it in the source path.

I may be a smart-ass -- but I will also admit when I'm wrong.

[quantum]

Yeah, that's why I made the "english is not his first language" comment since it seemed everyone was not at all understanding what he was saying. But it's nice to see a retraction and at least another bug is being crushed.

[mpennel]

Yes, it would appear that it is trying to write to the virtual drive! I'm comparing both the original mounted image files and the files in the VIDEO_TS folder on my hard drive after REBUILD, and the mounted image's files have no VIDEO_TS.VOB file, but the folder on my hard drive has it. Like I said, it is 0 bytes, but it is there.

Mark

edit: duh, I see you've already found the source of the problem.

[robw]

welcome aboard Totya

I'm sure glad I didn't fall in the trap of jumping on your post. Let me just say that we welcome you here and hope you will contribute more in the future. Your English may not be perfect but none of us are perfect either. Your debugging was great! Thanks so much. I am one of those folks who really enjoys the diversity of this board and your message will be a solid reminder to me.

[DDogg]

quantum, sorry I'm late replying. Sounds like it is a moot point now, but yes, as you suggested there is one 0 byte file


Directory of I:\VIDEO_TS

02/02/2004 02:06 PM <DIR> .
02/02/2004 02:06 PM <DIR> ..
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 12,288 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 12,288 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 102,400 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 102,400 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 576,479,232 VTS_01_0.VOB
01/21/2004 12:26 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
01/21/2004 12:27 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_2.VOB
01/21/2004 12:27 PM 625,115,136 VTS_01_3.VOB
01/21/2004 12:29 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_4.VOB
01/21/2004 12:31 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_5.VOB
01/21/2004 12:32 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_6.VOB
01/21/2004 12:33 PM 178,415,616 VTS_01_7.VOB
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 18,432 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 18,432 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/02/2004 02:06 PM 0 VTS_02_0.VOB
01/21/2004 12:33 PM 203,040,768 VTS_02_1.VOB
16 File(s) 6,952,015,872 bytes

[RB]

Ah, Warner DVDs :) No, those 0 byte files shouldn't be included in the DVD-RB output. They are not referenced anywhere anyway.

[dvdRENEGADE]

Originally posted by totya
So not good ISO mode. This drive is READONLY.
I think, if this error correct it, this program works correctly if source is ISO.

Thanks for solving this.
dvdRENEGADE

[issa]

@totya

If your DVD didn't have menu, I assume it is a DVD-5 disc.
There is no point to recompress a disc that already fit
in a DVD-R or DVD+R.

If I am wrong, please let me know the title of that
DVD-9 disc, I am interesting in the company release
a commercial DVD that don't create a menu for it's
DVD. Thanks.

I am agree that the program should open the source
files and directory in ready only mode. The program
should not try to change the source files.

issa.

[rayvt]

Bug in dvd-rbv044:
Tried to do 2 movies, Chicago & Monty Python. For both, when I click PREPARE, I get a popup saying "Illegal video GOP size. No I-Frame found for 51 frames." And I can't abort it, have to go to task manager and kill it---upon which it complains that I'm supposed to use ABORT. Which I can't because of the popup. Cute.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by rayvt
Bug in dvd-rbv044:
Tried to do 2 movies, Chicago & Monty Python. For both, when I click PREPARE, I get a popup saying "Illegal video GOP size. No I-Frame found for 51 frames." And I can't abort it, have to go to task manager and kill it---upon which it complains that I'm supposed to use ABORT. Which I can't because of the popup. Cute. Ahhh... that was some test error code I put in. I was trying to figure out where the "subscript out of range" error was coming from. Now I know... I had made the assumption that a long stream of video without an I-Frame would never happen!!! In the last version this would have been the infrequent but consistent "runtime error '9'" I've been looking for. Not very elegant, though. It should have exited corrected.

[totya]

Hi all!

My english is very poor, sorry.

quantum : "english is not his first language". This is true. Thanks.

Developers, thanks a bug fix.

Totya

[totya]

Originally posted by issa
@totya

If your DVD didn't have menu, I assume it is a DVD-5 disc.
There is no point to recompress a disc that already fit
in a DVD-R or DVD+R.

If I am wrong, please let me know the title of that
DVD-9 disc, I am interesting in the company release
a commercial DVD that don't create a menu for it's
DVD. Thanks.

I am agree that the program should open the source
files and directory in ready only mode. The program
should not try to change the source files.

issa.


Hi!

Please read my full messages. I think this is problem for you, my english is poor...

My first step, reauthoring DVD with DVD shrink.
(DVD shrink is very correct program - i think the best, but if compression is too high, the result film quality is very poor.)

The result is DVD files, which "not contain menu" / "DVD without menu", or extras, but size is very often over 4,35 gbyte. The latter 7 gbyte...

"The program
should not try to change the source files."
See above, 0.44 bug fix list.

Sorry my poor english.

Totya

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by rayvt
Bug in dvd-rbv044:
Tried to do 2 movies, Chicago & Monty Python. For both, when I click PREPARE, I get a popup saying "Illegal video GOP size. No I-Frame found for 51 frames." And I can't abort it, have to go to task manager and kill it---upon which it complains that I'm supposed to use ABORT. Which I can't because of the popup. Cute. I think this may be a bug with DVD Decrypter. The example that I've found of this has one VTS that doesn't seem to be decrypted when I brought it down in ISO mode. If I mount that image and try to use DVD Decrypter again, it tells me that that VTS is still encrypted (but it can't decrypt). I looked at the VOBs with VOBEDIT and it definitely isn't a legal input stream.

The best I can do on this is tell you when you run into the error and you might then decrypt that DVD in file mode (I've never had this problem in hundreds of sessions using file mode). By the way, the ISO image is also unplayable.

EDIT: Well to make it even more confusing... if I run DVD Decrypter again (in file mode) against the bad ISO I created with DVD Decrypter, it tells me it can't decrypt -- but the bad VTS gets fixed... I repeat, though, this isn't a DVD-RB issue (except the fact that it isn't exiting properly -- I'll fix that).

[jdobbs]

I found this in the DVD Decrypter update logs:

Fixed: Big bug in ISO Read mode where files following 0 bytes files weren't decrypted

I went back and checked, and indeed, the problem I encountered was due to the fact that it followed a zero length file. If anyone gets this error UPGRADE YOUR VERSION OF DVD DECRYPTER TO V3.2.1.0.

[robot1]

Have you ever got an error 9 during the rebuild phase?
I'm doing another test, probably I'll report later if you need further info.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robot1
Have you ever got an error 9 during the rebuild phase?
I'm doing another test, probably I'll report later if you need further info. The error quoted above probably only relates to errors in the PREPARE phase -- but that definitely isn't a conclusive statement.

[Joergen]

While testing RBFarm I noticed that you can get error 9 with missing or incomplete sections. Having .mpv files instead of .m2v files also had something to do it.

[issa]

@Totya

I didn't get your first post.

issa.

[totya]

Hi all!

I think I'm found small bug in DVD rebuilder (0.44, but too 0.43...)
Example, I'm settings:

options/CCE options/ CCE SP checked (I'm use CCE SP 2.67.00.23 trial, with latest eclcce)

Well, if I'm set

options/CCE options/ advanced settings VBR passes

to 4 (four), I see when encoding progress, the real passes only 3 (three) etc...
In rebuilder.ini I see this section : "eclPasses=4"
In REBUILDER.ECL I see this section : "vbr_pass=3"

I think, the VAF creation is not pass.

Example, run eclcce (or cctspt.exe) open xxx.avi. I'm set VBR pass to 4.
I see, create vaf file, and pass 1,2,3,4 - total 4.

Under DVD rebuilder, the pass count number is not good, I think "pass value"="real value"-"1".

If user use CCE (SP), and after see this program (DVD rebuilder), and use it, the CCE pass number different of real.

My english is poor, sorry (but I think you see this)

Totya

[djan]

This is not a bug and it has been related many times. The vaf creation is counted as a pass. It's the first pass.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by totya
If user use CCE (SP), and after see this program (DVD rebuilder), and use it, the CCE pass number different of real.


Totya DVD-RB uses a consistent pass indicator across any encoder. CCE's definition of passes is not correct. A pass that creates a .VAF is in reality a pass. Two pass encoding is 2 passes, not 3.

[totya]

Originally posted by djan
This is not a bug and it has been related many times. The vaf creation is counted as a pass. It's the first pass.

Ok, I see, thanks a reply...

Totya

[totya]

Hi all!

Well, I see my Thomson 72 cm television from DVD, I see DVD-R converted film (with DVD RB).
After few minutes...Oooppsss.. What's wrong? I see, the (original english) audio and video synchronization is not good. But true, the different is small. But I see, when speak people.
Possible source is too bad? I see original, there not bad is synchronization.
Well, this is DVD RB bug (or any external component).
The mpeg converter is bad? Not, I see 2 packer, CCE SP and ReJig.
What's wrong? I'm testing...testing...thinking...

My external software is your recommended, latest.

- DVD2AVI_Version=1.77.3dg1.0.0RC2

- MPEG2Dec3dg.dll (2003.10.02) (with DVD2AVIdg/MPEG2DECdg Decoding Fix)

- Avisynth 2.54


* Test 1. *

Ripped by DVD Decrypter to ISO / Movie only (reauthor by DVD shrink) see "original" too ISO.
See "down" the language 1. (Hu - 01) is good, but second language (En - 02) is bad.

1. "original"

DVD2AVI info :

256599 frame
v AC3 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 - 574 778 624 - 171:03


2. Converted with DVD Rebuilder 0.44 and CCE 4 pass (real 3 pass)

DVD2AVI info :

256599 frame
v AC3 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 - 574 777 280 - 171:03

The second language different size (!) see "original".


3. Converted with DVD Rebuilder 0.45 and ReJig.

DVD2AVI info :

256599 frame
v AC3 T02 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 - 574 777 280

The second language too different size (!)
Equally too bad previous see 2.



I think (but not sure!) the audio/video synchronization error the reason possible different ac3 file size.
But sure, audio/video synchronization is not good.
---

If I'm ripped audio from converted and "original" with latest DVD decrypter instead of DVD2AVI, symptoms is equally.

Ok, converted "original" with DVD Shrink. The 2 audio size and contain - equally.
The DVD Shrink works correctly.

Please correct this problem, if this problem DVD Rebuilder program bug.

---

Newest test.

Really original DVD disc (with menu etc. - FULL) (name is T.F.E.).
This is my disc, I'm probe backup ;)

* Test 2. *

This is original disc, no authored, etc.
Ripped in FILE MODE (!) with dvd decrypter (v3.2.2.0)

This disc audio language : En1, En2, Hu, Cz (and many subtitles).

Let me see!

Compare the original and DVD-RB converted AC3 files.
Compress by ReJig - see above not compress program is the bad. (Now use ReJig, because lot of time)

Opppsss...this is not good...process and encode process ok, but next process show error message dialog :

Error 0006: DVD-RB has found an inconsistency in source data between the prepare and rebuild phases. Aborting.

Well, now lot of time. Test is end.

ReJig version is latest, "ReJig v0.5e by Nic".

Sorry my poor english.

Totya

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Transcoding...
-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 22:14:27
- VTS_01: 2.904.229 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 153.270 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 65.478 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4.407 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: -25,2%
- Overall Bitrate : -1.332Kbs
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: -1/9.001/-1.332 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 7 minutes.
Phase II ENCODING started at 22:21:33
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 00


Had that nice percentage when trying to reduce LotR2SEE DVD1. Same with DVD2. Stripped all audiostream apart from the GERMAN one. Movie Duration for DVD1 ist 102Minutes, shell fit on a DVD5...
Tested that one only with dvdrb0.44, will test it with 0.45...

[jdobbs]

@totya

Wish I could understand you better. I've run DVD2AVI on a couple of originals and against the corresponding backups to see if there is a mismatch. The resulting ac3 files have matched exactly. I'm not sure what you're saying you've found???

[totya]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@totya

Wish I could understand you better. I've run DVD2AVI on a couple of originals and against the corresponding backups to see if there is a mismatch. The resulting ac3 files have matched exactly. I'm not sure what you're saying you've found???

Hi!

Yes, I'm found error. Audio/video synchronization not good in last DVD-RB backups.

Good audio from original (ac3 file), size is : 574 778 624
If I'm converted to DVD-R with DVD Shrink, size is same (good).
If I'm converted to DVD-R with DVD Rebuilder (with CCE or ReJig) this audio size is not good, size is 574 777 280. I think, this is error, cause of audio/video desynchronization.

If you don't understand my english, please ignore me.

Best regards :

Totya

[fakerbaker]

does anyone find that when fast forwarding on the final chapter it only goes so far before cutting short and returning to the main title screen.if the final chapter is played at normal speed it is all there and will play perfectly to the end.

[msobetzko]

Originally posted by fakerbaker
does anyone find that when fast forwarding on the final chapter it only goes so far before cutting short and returning to the main title screen.if the final chapter is played at normal speed it is all there and will play perfectly to the end.

Not specifically, but I do have problems with FForward/FRewind on some movies. The issue is not consistent across different movies, but when I attempt to rewind or forward across SOME (NOT ALL) chapter points the movie stops at the chapter points.

I have rebuilt the same movies numerous times with different versions as I was testing for stutter (at chapter points). The chapters that it happens on are consistent, fortunately the stutter is gone.

I have tested on two players, Pioneer and Panasonic.

Mike

[Joergen]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
Not sure if anymore is interested in this.
V0.50a (8/4/2004) Fixed a bug that was introduced a while ago when the Trackbars
and the Automatic finding of the Min and Max values for a VTS. It caused
the bitrates of the VTSs for extras to become the same instead of leaving
the percentages at the same as it is by default.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/jrevill/DVDRB_ECL_Optimiser_V0.50a.rar 226K


I totally missed this great tool earlier (like most people!). You should post this in a new thread dedicated to ECL Optimizer. I've just used it on a title where DVD-RB's half bitrate option didnt apply and RB-Opt couldnt save the files due to a bug.

Your tool is very sophisticated and gives all the neat features like setting more passes for low bitrate and 1 pass for half-d1 (that can avoid CCE errors).

Great job!

[geffroman]

jdobbs...

I have been watching your progress from the beginning... I decided to wait until DVD-RB was at a level that a knuckle head like me could safely use the proggie...

I installed 048 per your instructions with CCE SP 2.50/ECLCCE and ReJig... Not one problem... My second project was a 5 disc batch processing of the whole Season of the new Law & Order... In my opinion Batch Processing is the ONLY thing that makes CCE tolerable... So Now I get the benefits of the best encoder with NO hassle on my part...

Thank you... where and how do I donate...?

[viper315]

Adding an option to be able to get rid of certain audio from a DVD would be nice. I noticed on one of the DVDs I did it had both 5.1 and 2.0 audio and I could not tell what was what to be able to remove the 2.0, this would in turn increase the bitrate meaning better quality. You can remove audio now but it just says english or like that deosn't specify. Is there any way this can be added to a future version? So that don't have to use DVDshrink 1st. Great program otherwise. Viper315

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by geffroman
jdobbs...

I have been watching your progress from the beginning... I decided to wait until DVD-RB was at a level that a knuckle head like me could safely use the proggie...

I installed 048 per your instructions with CCE SP 2.50/ECLCCE and ReJig... Not one problem... My second project was a 5 disc batch processing of the whole Season of the new Law & Order... In my opinion Batch Processing is the ONLY thing that makes CCE tolerable... So Now I get the benefits of the best encoder with NO hassle on my part...

Thank you... where and how do I donate...? Thanks. You can donate by selecting "About" from the menu and pushing the "DONATE" button. All donations are truly appreciated, it helps me explain to my wife why I'm sitting at my computer all the time!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by viper315
Adding an option to be able to get rid of certain audio from a DVD would be nice. I noticed on one of the DVDs I did it had both 5.1 and 2.0 audio and I could not tell what was what to be able to remove the 2.0, this would in turn increase the bitrate meaning better quality. You can remove audio now but it just says english or like that deosn't specify. Is there any way this can be added to a future version? So that don't have to use DVDshrink 1st. Great program otherwise. Viper315 I'm a little confused. It tells you whether it is 2 channel or 5.1 in the audio selection listbox.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks. You can donate by selecting "About" from the menu and pushing the "DONATE" button. All donations are truly appreciated, it helps me explain to my wife why I'm sitting at my computer all the time! Thanks for making the donation part easy too... Donation sent... Will do it again as development continues...

Thanks again for making CCE something I will use...

[jdobbs]

It warms my heart to see the power of CCE start opening to the masses. It has been the encoder of choice only for the geeks <cough - like me> for way too long.

[colinhunt]

Jdobbs,

thank you very, very much for this brilliant piece of software. I've been waiting for ages for someone to create a simple to use one-click "front-end" for CCE, Ifoedit etc. Last night, I installed v0.48 and all the other required programs, and gave it Hulk (disc 1) to process. Some five hours later I had a pristine backup on my HD. Mind you, Hulk is not the simplest of DVDs, with its "Hulk cam" branching feature, but I'm happy to say the backup works perfectly.

This kind of work needs to be supported, so I've just made a donation of $20. Cheers!

.:colin

[influenza]

It warms my heart to see the power of CCE start opening to the masses. It has been the encoder of choice only for the geeks <cough - like me> for way too long.

lol quite true

[jdobbs]

@colinhunt

Wow. It isn't often that I get two donations in the same day. You've given me a great boost!

[marcor]

can i use DGDecode.dll (former name mpeg2dec3dg.dll last version 1.30) with the new version rebuilder 0.50a ?
thx in advance for info about this.

[MagnaV45]

Hi Jdobbs,

Great piece of software.
Any chance of implementing DGMPGDec instead of DVD2AVI and thus using DGDecode.dll instead of MPEG2DEC3.DLL ?

If you checkout the readme.html provided with DGMPGDec :

"The widely used tools DVD2AVI and MPEG2DEC suffer from serious problems, including frame loss. This can cause serious problems with audio sync and authoring with some tools. Not only that, but random frame access is not handled correctly and incorrect frames can be returned when navigating on the timeline via MPEG2DEC (and its clones)."

I for ex had some issues with the Extra's on "Vulcano High". Running CCE and using mpeg2dec3.dll in my .avs scripts caused noticable artifacts like frameskips and blocks...

I then used 'DGIndex', disabled the audio output and generated new .D2V files, replacing the ones generated by DVD-RB.
Next I modified all the .avs scripts to use DGDecode.dll instead of MPEG2DEC3.DLL.
Then I pressed 'Encode' and waited. When finished I reviewed the encoded .m2v files an they ware fine. Finally pressed 'Rebuild' and I had a nice working DVD.

So for know I modify 'options-setup' having MPEG2DEC3 path to point to DGDecode.dll.

Then I use my 4 step workaround :

1. I click 'prepare' once.
2. I recreate the .D2V files using DGindex
3. I click 'encode'
4. I click 'rebuild'

Therefore releasing a future version of DVD-RB which uses DGIndex and DGDecode.dll would be great.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by MagnaV45
Hi Jdobbs,

Great piece of software.
Any chance of implementing DGMPGDec instead of DVD2AVI and thus using DGDecode.dll instead of MPEG2DEC3.DLL ?

If you checkout the readme.html provided with DGMPGDec :

"The widely used tools DVD2AVI and MPEG2DEC suffer from serious problems, including frame loss. This can cause serious problems with audio sync and authoring with some tools. Not only that, but random frame access is not handled correctly and incorrect frames can be returned when navigating on the timeline via MPEG2DEC (and its clones)."

I for ex had some issues with the Extra's on "Vulcano High". Running CCE and using mpeg2dec3.dll in my .avs scripts caused noticable artifacts like frameskips and blocks...

I then used 'DGIndex', disabled the audio output and generated new .D2V files, replacing the ones generated by DVD-RB.
Next I modified all the .avs scripts to use DGDecode.dll instead of MPEG2DEC3.DLL.
Then I pressed 'Encode' and waited. When finished I reviewed the encoded .m2v files an they ware fine. Finally pressed 'Rebuild' and I had a nice working DVD.

So for know I modify 'options-setup' having MPEG2DEC3 path to point to DGDecode.dll.

Then I use my 4 step workaround :

1. I click 'prepare' once.
2. I recreate the .D2V files using DGindex
3. I click 'encode'
4. I click 'rebuild'

Therefore releasing a future version of DVD-RB which uses DGIndex and DGDecode.dll would be great. The frame loss problems outlined by in your quote from DG were fixed in previous versions -- that is why DVD-RB requires MPEG2DEC3dg.dll. I'll have to check out the random frame access part.

[jdobbs]

Anybody know what the difference is between DGDecode.dll and MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL v 1.3.0? I went to Donald Grafts site and I didn't see a DGDecode...

[EDIT] Never mind, found it.

[totya]

Hi!

Many new version!
Manual additional avs code possibility, super!
Ok, probe it, I'm not see this program from long time.
Well, put noise filter (additional avs) code.

Let me see. The result is not good. Few dropped frame. Dropped frame???
Yes, dropped frame. The chapter last, and next chapter first frame is equally.

Well, probe default settings (additional avs code none), dropped frame none.

Example :

Original DVD : chapter last frame is "P", next chapter first frame is "I". Dropped none. (Certainly)

DVDRB without additional avs code (default) : chapter last frame is "P", next chapter first frame is "P" (?!). Dropped none.

DVDRB with additional avs code (noise filter) : chapter last frame is "P", next chapter first frame is "P" (!). Dropped found, the two frame is equally.

If possible, please correct it.

DVDRB version is latest, 0.52
Avisinth : latest.
DVD2AVI : v1.0 , v1.1 (DGraft) symptoms equally. (DVD2AVI v1.3, and DGMPGDec v1.10 can't run with DVDRB)

My english is poor sorry.

Totya.

[jdobbs]

I'm not sure I understand... but what do you mean by "next chapter first frame is 'P'"? Since all cells (generally "chapter") are encoded individually they all start with an I frame...

By "the two frame is equally" are you saying that you've found an instance where two AVS files reference the same frame?

[colinhunt]

I've been using v0.51c very successfully and with quite remarkable results. Thank you jdobbs, this truly is one hell of a program!

However (there was bound to be one, eh?), last night it produced the first faulty encoding. The movie in question is the animated feature 'Sinbad - Legend of the Seven Seas' by Dreamworks; region 2 Scandinavian release which has Finnish, Swedish, English and Icelandic audio, subs in those same languages and plenty of extras, including weblinks and a set-top game.

I set DVD-RB thusly:
CCE mode (SP 2.66+)
3 passes
One Click Mode
Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates
Steal Space from Extras: 25%

and told it to encode the movie directly from disc via AnyDVD.

It took 8+ hours, resulting in 4.30GB of files. Since DVD-RB has been working so wonderfully in the past, I burned the files on a disc right away and deleted them from HDD. Only after a while I chucked the disc into a stand-alone player to check it.

Copyright warnings and such played OK and everything was hunky-dory until I selected PLAY MOVIE from main menu. Dreamworks' logo played fine at first, then playback froze momentarily and the movie skipped some 3 minutes forwards. After that playback was choppy at best, skipping and freezing, jumping backwards and forwards.

I measured the burn with K-Probe, only to find that the burn was nigh-on perfect, so the fault lies not with the media.

It's probably impossible to draw any debugging conclusions from such a poor bug report, but I thought I'd bring it up anyways. :)

cheers,
.:colin

edit: Jdobbs, if you're interested in looking a bit deeper into this one, I could put the .ifo-files on the net for your download.

[Joergen]

colin: from what I recall, that movie has a 900MB menu, and 4GB of button over video extras. Plus the movie itself is razor sharp (one of the sharpest I've seen, disney cant touch it), so my guess its too hard an encode for DVD-RB. Plus the BOV extras prolly stop working or dont work properly.

[totya]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm not sure I understand... but what do you mean by "next chapter first frame is 'P'"? Since all cells (generally "chapter") are encoded individually they all start with an I frame...

By "the two frame is equally" are you saying that you've found an instance where two AVS files reference the same frame?

When I generated DVD files with DVDRB (from DVD) and open these file from VirtualDubMod, or generated DVD files with DVDRB converted to mpeg2 (example dvd2avi) and open VirtaulDubMod, I see, when I found dropped frame, the two fram type is equally "P", and contain is too equally - when I'm uses nosie filter.
If I'm not uses noise filter, the problem, one chapter end frame is "P" and next chapter first frame too "P" type.

I think the DVDRB coding phase is good (.mp2 generating phase), I think, the "joint phase" is bad. If I See .mp2 files, this is good, but in the result file, is bad.

Best regards :

Totya

[Joergen]

Perhaps those missing frames are the first frames of an open GOP that DVD2AVI doesnt display?

[totya]

Hi!

Additional information (see last problem - "dropped frame"), I'm probe, if compressor is Quenc (latest), the frame type I think is better than CCE.

See example (from the result DVD file - extra filter none):

Chapter last frame is 15174
Next chapter first frame is 15175

if uses CCE-SP 2.67
15173 : P
15174 : P (!)
15175 : I
15176 : B

if uses Quenc 0.51

15173 : B
15174 : P
15175 : I
15176 : B

Best regards :

Totya

[VampHuntD]

Hey Jdobbs,
Been a while since I'm gotten to test some stuff for ya, but I got something now. Just ran Spiderman's Bonus Disc which starts at about 5.51gb Ran this using these:

DVD-RB .52
Avisyth 2.54
CCE 2.67.00.09 SP

Everything seems to have gone fine, but my final putput is only 3.16gb Maybe it's because this is a bonus disc, since I am using half D1 and half space enabled with dynamic bitrates that causing this. Any ideas? STILL THE BEST CCE APP YET!

[Joergen]

You shouldnt "use half-d1 half space FOR EXTRAS" in a bonus disc, that doesnt have a movie and extras. DVD-RB will interpret the biggest VTS as the movie and the rest extras. Also dont use it for episodic discs for the same reason.

The undersizing is caused by a combination of the half-d1-space option and dynamic bitrates, I would assume. While encoding a disc that was only 3.5GB (lb->16:9) to begin with, DVD-RB created a 3.5GB output with Dynamic enabled. Without it, the disc came out 4.32GB as it should.

A disc that small doesnt need half-d1 anyway. I didnt need half-d1 for extras discs that were 7.5GB and they came out as good as the original.

[jdobbs]

Exactly as explained by Joergen. The largest of the VTSs was allocated all the space you recovered from the other extras... and the receiving VTS couldn't use it all.

[VampHuntD]

yup, I thought abotu it after I had posted and figured that out, go figure. I may have found something new though to do with the buttons, which have some video to them, I'll let you know once I check the original.

[VampHuntD]

OK real error this time. This same Spiderman disc has some button over video on the menus. The movement of the lights on the button will not go past teh first light. Same with another menu with moving arrows as buttons, it just kinda jerks and replays the first arrow. The button still works so it's just the animation I guess.

[Sir Didymus]

@VampHuntD

The problem with Menus based on stills & BOV is known.

See for reference the new sticky thread of wmansir
(very appreciated) about Known Issues...

See also:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75470

Suggested workaround could be to manually demuxing from the original the m2v file corresponding to the menu, overwriting the file produced by DVD-RB in the encoding phase and rebuilding the title...

Hope it could help...
SD

[totya]

Originally posted by Joergen
Perhaps those missing frames are the first frames of an open GOP that DVD2AVI doesnt display?

Hi!

This question for me or of developers? :)

[VampHuntD]

This is what I get for not being around to test more often, yeah I knew that already, I just forgot, thanks though.

[Sir Didymus]

@totya.

I am actually doing some tests, with the new release of DVD-RB, just for trying to replicate what you are reporting.

My setup is as follow:

DVD-RB .52
Avisyth 2.54
CCE 2.67.00.23 SP
Filters: Undot().Deen()
Movie: a DVD title in area 2

1) Using Filters almost doubles the encoding time...
2) The output of DVD-RB is PERFECT...
3) Demuxing all vob of the rebuilt title and looking into every cells, I verifyed that all cells of the title start with an I frame (as it should be..)...
4) The number of frames for each one of the rebuilt cells is exactely equal to the number of frames of the original cells...
5) The GOP structures of the original and of the rebuilt cells are different (but this is totally right, since the cells vere re-encoded)...
6) I was not able of observing any anomalous behaviour in playing the title (on my PC). I am just now going burning, to check if the play on my standalone is right, but I am very confident it is so. I will report the result...
7) No way for me to observe dropped frames or any other anomalous behaviour in the video, in the audio and in the navigation (at least on this specific test...)...

In conclusion everything seems as it should be: PERFECT.

@all

It's time in my opinion to donate again. (I will do in minutes...).
I have been away for a while (dropped releases 0.50 and 0.51 damn...) and I think the work of JDobbs is making amazing progresses. I see the time of exiting from the beta test approaching... His work should be supported...

Cheers,
SD

[RB]

Originally posted by totya
Chapter last frame is 15174
Next chapter first frame is 15175

if uses CCE-SP 2.67
15173 : P
15174 : P (!)
15175 : I
15176 : B

if uses Quenc 0.51

15173 : B
15174 : P
15175 : I
15176 : B
There is nothing wrong with this. Just because CCE decided to encode two consecutive P-Frames doesn't mean it's duplicating a frame. Also make sure that what VDub displays are the frames in coding order, not display order (if that's an option at all).

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by VampHuntD
OK real error this time. This same Spiderman disc has some button over video on the menus. The movement of the lights on the button will not go past teh first light. Same with another menu with moving arrows as buttons, it just kinda jerks and replays the first arrow. The button still works so it's just the animation I guess.

Sorry for asking, but did you burn the title, without applying any patch and tested on a standalone ?

Master RB pointed out [in the Bov 0.46 thread] that the trouble, in his tests, is just affecting PC players. If it is confirmed so (in my opinion) the issue's relevance have a much lower impact...

Sometimes the fighting against potential bugs makes possible to discover big stones even when only fine sand is present...

Cheers,
SD

[totya]

Originally posted by RB
There is nothing wrong with this. Just because CCE decided to encode two consecutive P-Frames doesn't mean it's duplicating a frame. Also make sure that what VDub displays are the frames in coding order, not display order (if that's an option at all).


Hi!

Thanks your answer.

Well, you say, this no problem? OK.
But then what's wrong? See my post "31st May 2004 15:23".
(Dropped frame...if I'm use noise filter in avs , frame duplicated error)

The dropped available, when double P frames found.. Interesting.

I'm waiting about 10 new verision, and see this again.

Thanks

Totya

[VampHuntD]

Didymus,
Yeah there was no patch work and I tried it on both a PS2 and an XBOX. Didn't try thr PC drive at all.

[deh707]

why do i always end up with a video_ts folder with only 1.79GB inside of it?


i know ive heard about this problem before, but since i cant find it, i want to know if anyone can tell me what's the problem here.

[wmansir]

@deh

Your .avs files are probably broken. Check the .m2v files and see if they actually contain video or just a black picture with an orange/red line. If that's the case, check the FAQ Q4.

[geffroman]

Hi jdobbs:

Repeat donator and RB lover here...

After running the program many times and almost always in BATCH mode I have come up with a suggestion I believe to be a huge benefit to all:

I am talking about being able to view:

source path destination path path of project in batch screen and the name of open project

Right now the source and destination paths are limited to one line and cannot be scrolled on. Anyone saving files to the MY DOCUMENTS folder with Windows XP cannot see the path to confirm they have the right location.

Same thing occurs in the Batch processing window... Cannot see the whole path of the project selected... It makes batch processing of more than a few projects difficult...

Even when opening an existing project without batch processing I have no view of the project name opened.

I know these are just simple GUI changes, but they would make usability so much easier. I hope you decide these are changes worth making sooner than later.

Regards.. Jeff

[jdobbs]

Would it be enough to just make the display area twice as large?

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Would it be enough to just make the display area twice as large? Sure... I can't imagine path names would be longer than that...:D

[geffroman]

Hi guys...

Hopefully someone else has seen this and knows whats up...

On two discs I have had a problem with the movie just stoping on my stand alone players. Yet it previews without the problem in IfoEdit's previewer.

It happens in both cases at the beginning of the second cell in the chapter. The movie plays through the first cell of the chapter successfully and several frames into the second cell and then just stops as if I hit the pause button. But pause has NOT been activated.

If I hit FF and then play I can continue the cell. It just hangs at this one spot.

I have seen this twice. Once was on a movie and the other on a multi episode disc. So far I have tried to mock strip the data and also even put a small 1% compression on it to reencode... But all ends up with the same FREEZE at the same exact place.

So far the only solution was to run the discs through DVD Shrink instead of RB. I don't have the issue with Shrink but much prefer to use RB.

Any ideas...?

[influenza]

I would say t6hat this sounds like a 'restricted cell' problem. The cell has got a wrong value, causing the playback to pause.
You could try this:

IFOEdit>VTS_PGCITI>VTS_PGC_x. Find the cell that it is stopping on. Check the Restricted Angle value. If it's not 0, set it to 0

Good luck!

[geffroman]

Originally posted by influenza
I would say t6hat this sounds like a 'restricted cell' problem. Thanks... I gave that a look... All cells set to "O"... I did see "STC discontinuity" set to YES for the cell in question but this seems to be the case for all second cells in a single chapter...

Any other ideas folks...?

I have posted the IFO HERE (http://posunplugged.com/roswell_ifo). The problem occurs at the beginning of Chapter_4/Cell_6

Any help is appreciated...

So far discs that represent are:
[list=1] Ride with the Devil
Roswell Season 1 Disc 2 Episode 1
Roswell Season 1 Disc 3 Episode 1[/list=1]

UPDATE: Problem solved in 0.56... Thanks...

[totya]

Originally posted by totya
Hi!

Yes, I'm found error. Audio/video synchronization not good in last DVD-RB backups.

Good audio from original (ac3 file), size is : 574 778 624
If I'm converted to DVD-R with DVD Shrink, size is same (good).
If I'm converted to DVD-R with DVD Rebuilder (with CCE or ReJig) this audio size is not good, size is 574 777 280. I think, this is error, cause of audio/video desynchronization.

If you don't understand my english, please ignore me.

Best regards :

Totya

Hi!

I See the new 0.56 version, but this problem is stay.
Few AC3 audio not equal with original (size different...)

Please correct if possible, this is old and big bug.

Totya

[audioslave]

Hi guys,
I was just wondering if there is a version of DVD Rebuilder coming out soon that supports multi-angles?

[erdoke]

Originally posted by audioslave
Hi guys,
I was just wondering if there is a version of DVD Rebuilder coming out soon that supports multi-angles?

Probably the next version will support selecting which one to keep. Real multiangle support (i.e. keep all angles) needs some time.

[Rockas]

**** REALLY OFF TOPIC ****

This is the best thread of all the Doom9's forums :)

I'm just a little melo today :D

Ain't it great to remember the roots of our "problems"? :cool:

keep it UP

[michaelhill]

EDIT: My internet company blocked the mail, i did recieve the link now and have succesfully retrieved the key

Hello, i made a payment for the pro version with my creditcard but i havent recieved the program/serial.

Could the author please contact me?