CCE One-Click Software Beta

[jdobbs]

The pixelation problems should be a thing of the past (as of v0.26). Paypal mail is DVD-RB@COMCAST.NET

[nwg]

Mad_Max_73 wrote,
I've noticed pixelation between chapters only on my xbox using ricoh 4x +rw written a full speed, so i think is a read problem...

Try writing at a slower speed. I don't go above 2x/2.4x. I have seen pixelating problems when burning too fast.

Did you use 026?

[mayhem2408]

I've set VBR_Passes in settings to 3, the CCE still does 2 passes. the INI file shows eclpasses=3 but the REBUILDER.ECL file only shows vbr_pass=2.

BTW. Love the software. Finally an easy solution with Quality in mind over speed.

[nwg]

I've set VBR_Passes in settings to 3, the CCE still does 2 passes. the INI file shows eclpasses=3 but the REBUILDER.ECL file only shows vbr_pass=2.

The created VAF file is considered a pass and is your 1st pass with two passes by CCE.

[mayhem2408]

Cool. I am use to the way CCE does it. 3 passes is 3 encoding passes. The vaf pass does not count.

I like this software so much, I've made my donation. The Picture quality is incredible. And I like having the option of using rejig for speed or CCE for Quality. I've been waiting for a tool like this for a long time.

[nwg]

The Picture quality is incredible. And I like having the option of using rejig for speed or CCE for Quality. I've been waiting for a tool like this for a long time.


I agree. I also like QuEnc which is a bit faster than CCE and on the discs I did, the quality was just as good. Plus it's free. It just does 2 passes though.

[najt]

What can I use to remove extras before I use DVD Rebuilder? but keep the menus.

[nwg]

What can I use to remove extras before I use DVD Rebuilder? but keep the menus

Process the DVD through Titleset Blanker or DVD Stripper first.

[mayhem2408]

I am preparing a DVD-RB with APOLLO13. It say 94,781/19,500 FRAMES/RFFS. What does RFFS mean?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
I am preparing a DVD-RB with APOLLO13. It say 94,781/19,500 FRAMES/RFFS. What does RFFS mean? That stands for Repeat First Field. It is a flag used in converting 24fps (23.976) FILM sources to 30fps (29.97) used in NTSC television. It takes half of one picture and half of another to create a new frame (for non progressive NTSC players).

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It is a flag used in converting 24fps (23.976) FILM sources to 30fps (29.97) used in NTSC television.Sorry if this is an obvious question, jdobbs, but do you take advantage of force filming/pulldown?

/Add:

As per the Readme,6. When completed -- simply use any burning package (such as B's Recorder Gold, RecordNow Max, or Nero) -- there is usually a package provided with your DVD Burner. You must write two directories (AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS), that will exist in the "Working Path" you specified in step 3.
I don't have an AUDIO_TS folder. Did I do something wrong?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by r6d2
I don't have an AUDIO_TS folder. Did I do something wrong? No. I did. I forgot to create that folder. But that's okay -- it's just an empty folder with that name. Make sure it is all caps.

[r6d2]

Thanks. I guess my other question was too obvious. :o

[jdobbs]

Sorry if this is an obvious question, jdobbs, but do you take advantage of force filming/pulldown?Not at all. Yes I do. You have an option of forcing film or if you can choose automatic film detection. Pulldown is done by my program in the REBUILD phase.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Not at all. Yes I do.Oh, I see. I had seen the option, but all the M2Vs are output at 30fps so I thought it was not taken into account somehow. But looking at the ECL file now I see some of them have the 24 fps setting.

I find your approach to the problem brilliant, jddobs. You just shrink the stuff at low level and keep all the authoring and structure.

Regarding the selectable frame size feature (1/2 D1 for all but the main movie), you could encode all the extras first in OPV mode, Q=30, and then use the available space to allocate the best BR for the movie.

(I've been tempted to post some evidence about OPV being actually better than multipass, but I'd not like to defy the laws of physics.) :D

[blueray]

Regarding the new DVD-RB and DVD2SVCD (DVD TO DVD mode),
I would like to hear some comments from experienced users of both
on how these two would compare (quality of output, ease of use, user control, time required, etc..). I realize the DVD rebuilder is still in beta phase. I mainly like to do movie only, but occasionaly do episodic dvd's. Thanks for your comments.

[kilg0r3]

I wouldn't know how to do episodic dvds in DVD2SVCD. But I am also a n00b in this field

[walkistalki]

Sorry if this question has already been answered, but the thread is getting long...

I found that several programs install a version of dvd2avi. as i couldn't find a setting in dvd-rb, where does it go and find dvd2avidg.exe. how can we verify it uses the fixed version? (i put the MPEG2DEC3dg file in the correct avisynth folder, but what about the executable)

thx for clarifying

[djan]

Originally posted by walkistalki
Sorry if this question has already been answered, but the thread is getting long...

I found that several programs install a version of dvd2avi. as i couldn't find a setting in dvd-rb, where does it go and find dvd2avidg.exe. how can we verify it uses the fixed version? (i put the MPEG2DEC3dg file in the correct avisynth folder, but what about the executable)

thx for clarifying You don't need DVD2AVI, you just need the dll plugin "MPEG2DEC3dg.dll" that you have to put in the AviSynth Plugin directory. It's all.

[djan]

Originally posted by blueray
Regarding the new DVD-RB and DVD2SVCD (DVD TO DVD mode),
I would like to hear some comments from experienced users of both
on how these two would compare (quality of output, ease of use, user control, time required, etc..). I realize the DVD rebuilder is still in beta phase. I mainly like to do movie only, but occasionaly do episodic dvd's. Thanks for your comments. DVDRB can use CCE as encoder, so the quality may be the same. DVDRB is much easier than DVD2SVCD. I think the major people using BIG3 is now using DVDRB. :D It is maybe in beta state but it works like a jewel.

[LEGiON-1]

I can't get DVD-RB to work at all.

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

If I point it to my ECLCCE exe it will run CCE then I get errors saying AVIFileOpen has no program to run the .ECL files created by DVD-RB. I tried associating them with eclCEE but no joy.

This is using 0.27... any ideas?

[robw]

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

you can't use CCE 2.50 directly because it doesn't work with parameters passed on a command line. You need to install EclCCE first. Once EclCCE is installed, run it once. It will ask you where CCE is installed. Then go back to DVDrb and under option->setup insert the path to EclCCE in the box where you enter the path to CCE 2.50 SP.

That should take care of your problem. Good luck.

[LEGiON-1]

Originally posted by robw
you can't use CCE 2.50 directly because it doesn't work with parameters passed on a command line. You need to install EclCCE first. Once EclCCE is installed, run it once. It will ask you where CCE is installed. Then go back to DVDrb and under option->setup insert the path to EclCCE in the box where you enter the path to CCE 2.50 SP.

That should take care of your problem. Good luck.

Nope, that didn't help. The exact wording of the error is:

AVIFileOpen("D:\DVD2\D2VAVS\ITEM.ECL") : According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it.

[robw]

which version of EclCCE are you using? For me version 1.8 had a bug and did not work. I went back to 1.7b and all is fine.

[nwg]

AVIFileOpen("D:\DVD2\D2VAVS\ITEM.ECL") : According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it.

I got the same error with eclCCE 1.8, I went back to 1.7.

[RB]

As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for :)

[jptheripper]

Rb is churning away for me

I did one test (and was up to date on this thread for a while but missed a week, so if this is already asked my apoligies).

Anyone find a loss of menu functionality? i ran a dvd that encoded seemingly perfectly but all the buttons were gone in the menu (menu still there but no buttons, even menuedit reported the buttons were gone).

seems like an odd problem

-jp

[r6d2]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
Not sure if anymore is interested in this.:goodpost: IMHO this is in fact a great idea, mayhem2408!

Although I wonder if extras at Full D1 will look well with such low BRs, and that's when the 1/2 D1 cames in. You could also set half width in CCE in order to achieve that for all VTSs but the main movie.

[geffroman]

IMHO - I find that in most cases menus and extras being much smaller than movie require huge compression to gain much. Compressing 2% to 3% to 10% and more on Extras might only gain 1% on movie... And nothing sets a negative tone for a DVD experience more than when the first thing you see is a horrible looking First Play Menu... Uncomfortable momment: You brag to the buddies about this great quality DVD Backup you do and they come over to watch a flick and up on the screen pops up a pixelated blocky menu video of Spiderman and you sink into your chair explaining... "NO NO NO... I mean the MOVIE is great quality". :eek:

Compared to the movie data, extras and menus are typically already about as bad as they can be... Equal bit rate reduction always make the menus and extras look horrible before the same bit rate will ruin a movie, so taking it a step further to compress the extras even more doesn't make sense TO ME. I would rather give up 0.2% compression on the movie because it might buy me as much as 20% improvement on the opening menu... Now if none of this matters to you a "movie only disc" is a good option... But if you LIKE menus and the whole DVD experience, why then would you want them to look bad when that extra compression on them just doesn't buy you much on the movie...

A 2 disc DVD set with an isolated Bonus Disc sure goes well when all else forces too much compromise... Again, just IMHO.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by LEGiON-1
I can't get DVD-RB to work at all.

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

If I point it to my ECLCCE exe it will run CCE then I get errors saying AVIFileOpen has no program to run the .ECL files created by DVD-RB. I tried associating them with eclCEE but no joy.

This is using 0.27... any ideas? This is a known problem. Go back to v1.7b on eclCCE. It is related to what appears to be a bug in 2.50 with drag-and-drop (eclCCE 1.8). To make it work, I'll try to figure out a way to prevent it from the DVD-RB side.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for :) I'll give it my best shot. But if it isn't related to order in the .ECL I don't know what I could do.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by geffroman
IMHO - I find that in most cases menus and extras being much smaller than movie require huge compression to gain much. Compressing 2% to 3% to 10% and more on Extras might only gain 1% on movie...Good point. However, when encoding the extras at half D1 (352x480/576), you don't lose much quality. You lose some sharpness, of course, but really hard to notice on a regular TV.

In fact, a CVD encode (Half D1) may need as less as 75% the BR of a Full D1, and have the same quantization distribution (i.e. "quality" in encoder terms).

The fact that a great bunch of DVDs have lots of extras pumps up the savings to a significant amount, which you can transfer to the main movie. After all, if keeping an even BR distribution and "top quality" across the original DVD is your target, you might better split it into 2 DVDs and be absolutely happy. ;)

In general, I think the differential quality feature is a nice to have, and of course it would be optional, so you could still have equal BR along the whole set if that is what you're after. IMHO, a much better criteria is to distribute the BR so quantization is uniform, not BR itself. It has been throughly proven that some streams compress much better than others, so why waste BR when not needed?

[E-Male]

i tried making dvdr's at low resolution, but never managed to make them (with subs and multiple audio streams)
seems to me it's not that easy

[r6d2]

Originally posted by E-Male
seems to me it's not that easy Generally available authoring programs are sometimes not powerfull enough for advanced stuff, but I think this would work quite transparently with internal authoring of Rebuilder. But ultimately only jddobs can tell, I think, once (and if) he gets into this feature.

[zur128]

Echoing everyone, this is a great tool. I have two questions on the setup

1. I note that people are talking about multipass in CCE. Where is the options set for the number of passes, especially in the One Click method?

2. In Options/setup, the last application path is MPEG2DEC. Is this meant to be the path for MPEG2DECDG.dll?? The guide in the program just mentioned that the MPEG2DECDG.DLL should be in the Avisynth plugin directory. I assumed that I do not need to set this?? Also what does the "Add to AVS file" check do??

Thanks

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zur128
Echoing everyone, this is a great tool. I have two questions on the setup

1. I note that people are talking about multipass in CCE. Where is the options set for the number of passes, especially in the One Click method?

2. In Options/setup, the last application path is MPEG2DEC. Is this meant to be the path for MPEG2DECDG.dll?? The guide in the program just mentioned that the MPEG2DECDG.DLL should be in the Avisynth plugin directory. I assumed that I do not need to set this?? Also what does the "Add to AVS file" check do??

Thanks
1. Under Options/CCE/Settings
2. Yes. There is more than one version of MPEG2DEC. But now that I think about it, I think I'll change it. Any other version might cause problems since my .D2V generation is designed to work with the DG no-frames-lost version.

[zur128]

Thanks for the personal reply. Still wondering what the check box for "Add to AVS file" does?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zur128
Thanks for the personal reply. Still wondering what the check box for "Add to AVS file" does? If you put the path in it stores if for future use. But it only references it if you check that box. This is made specially for those people who are having problems with the location of MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL.

[onesoul]

@mayhem2408

About the tool you made. Well, I don't think at this stage is a good thing to introduce new things that could fall beyond the grip of jdobbs, imagine people going through bugs because of oustide tools. It would be a better option in my opinion to help the developing by bug reporting, comments and suggestions (ok, I know I'm describing the thread topics :)). Of course the ultimate opinion is from the man, jdobbs.

Cheers

[jdobbs]

I have to agree and ask that anyone who uses any other tools or strippers, or anything before running DVD-RB -- I respectfully request that to all that do -- please don't post any problems you may have. I have enough to do debugging DVD-RB, I can't debug other's software as well.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
New Version V0.11a - Added an option for half width, added a dropdown box to select the VTS you want to modify and autoselects the VTS with the largest number of frames as the main movie.I really don't understand some user comments on proposed features they don't like or don't need, as if they would rather not have them discussed. One of the greatest assets of this forum is innovation that comes from synergy of many minds thinking about the same problem.

Anyway, @mayhem2408, I think you deserve your own thread for this, to keep the clutter low and devoted to RB as jdobbs asked..

I just tried your tool and got a missing "rtl70.bpl" error. The downloaded file is just 31KB. Did I get it all?

[onesoul]

@r6d2

I was just trying to help :/

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by onesoul
@mayhem2408

About the tool you made. Well, I don't think at this stage is a good thing to introduce new things that could fall beyond the grip of jdobbs, imagine people going through bugs because of oustide tools. It would be a better option in my opinion to help the developing by bug reporting, comments and suggestions (ok, I know I'm describing the thread topics :)). Of course the ultimate opinion is from the man, jdobbs.

Cheers

I agree. Bug reporting in necessary. But seeing as I have nothing to report at this time, I decided to make a donation instead. I have been encoding 2 to 3 movies per day with ReBuilder. And apart from the interleaving movies issue, I have nothing to report as a bug. My only suggestion was to be able to select different compression ratios for different VTSs as I feel a higher quality movie is better than an OK quality Movie and OK Extras. That's why I starting writing the program.

As example of why I want this option. The Movie AKIRA takes up nearly a full DVD at 8.3 Gig. 60% of the DVD is the Movie and 40% is the Extras. The Bitrate for the Movie when recompressed with ReBuilder is a very low 2400kbit which is 48% the size of the original. I wanted the Movie to be at least 3000. After running my program over the ECL file the Movie is now at 3000 with a new compression ration of 60% and the Bitrate of the Extras is lowered so that the total file size is unchanged.

Until such time as everyone is happy with ReBuilder. I am pulling the download.

[jdobbs]

No... don't pull it. I don't want to get in the way of progress and other folks who are in your situation may find it useful. All I ask is that if they run into a problem when using your software (or any other software) that they please verify that the problem occurs without the additional software before posting a bug report. Maybe a little "warning" might help.

I appreciate any and all time anyone puts into testing and seeing how they can improve this package.

Thanks -- jdobbs

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by jdobbs
No... don't pull it. I don't want to get in the way of progress and other folks who are in your situation may find it useful. All I ask is that if they run into a problem when using your software (or any other software) that they please verify that the problem occurs without the additional software before posting a bug report. Maybe a little "warning" might help.

I appreciate any and all time anyone puts into testing and seeing how they can improve this package.

Thanks -- jdobbs

No Problems. It's back there now. And please if anyone has any problem with it or with it causing problems in CCE or DVD-RB. Please email me at the address listed in the software. This software is extremly Alpha. Written in 3 hours at 1am this morning over a few cans of coke.

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by r6d2
@Mayhem2408
I just tried your tool and got a missing "rtl70.bpl" error. The downloaded file is just 31KB. Did I get it all?

There is a newer version which is 481K in size. or a Rar file for 199K. No other files required. Give it a try now.

[CeanD]

Auuuuuggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!

Had the Runtime Error with .26, now with .27 I get a:

DVD REbuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Errpr #0004. Process must abort.

Happened during the rebuilding of the first re-encoded VTS.

[Axlemar]

All dvds of a series (NTSC) I have were backed up fine using quenc and older versions of DVD REbuilder. I retried using .25 through .27 and now exactly half-way through the final rebuild phase I always get the error 6 overflow message.

[thomasphoenix]

Hi,
I tried out dvd rb , the encoding runs fine, the rebuilding runs fine till 97% then it says "runtime error 6 buffer overflow" just before rebuilding the second vts.Just thought I'll keep you posted.

[[BMC]]

I'm still kinda of new to this and maybe I overlooked it, but it sure would be nice to have the option to choose deinterlace in the avs script and specify what method to use. I backup lots of material that is pure NTSC, always requiring either Field Deinterlace or Tomsmocomp.