CCE One-Click Software Beta

[tf]

I believe so, yes. I had to, at least.

-tf

[huesage]

@djan:

YES ! using CCE SP 2.5x you have you use eclCCE, it will act as a bridge between DVD-RB and CCE 2.5.

Hope this helps.

[djan]

Thx for your help, from where can I download it ?

EDIT : It is said it works only from 2.66.01.07. Is it right ? So it means I don't need it for 2.50 ?

[jdobbs]

Attached is a new version of DVD-RB v0.16

Mar 16th, 2004 (v0.16)
- Implemented new code to handle CCE execution -- fixes problems with CCE SP 2.6X and gets rid of the multiple error popup fiasco. My thanks to quantum.
- Added ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) as an AVS option
- Turned CCE Filtering off in the .ECL files
- Made several minor (non-obvious) bug fixes and code cleanup

This version is significantly improved...

NOTE: ATTACHMENT MOVED TO THE FIRST ENTRY IN THIS THREAD

[huesage]

ok,

I am working on a little download and install guide. I will be posting it shortly, all links are from doom9 links, I hope this is not a problem. If it is, I am sorry, I am doing this only with good intentions to help people out a little.

[huesage]

:D

@jdobbs:

you are too fast !! good job, I will be downloading the new version and testing it out with newer version of CCE and post results, in the meanwhile I am still working and will update the little download and install guide.

Thanx for your hard work !

[tf]

huesage: Probably a good idea, not all might be able to pickup and get it working straight away.

jdobbs: Amazing. An update already. Keep up the good work. Will there be a chance to set number of passes higher than 4? Of course it can be done by altering the output from the preparation, but still... :-)

-tf

[Trahald]

quote:
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Originally posted by FMalibu
- Among the CCE options that were said to be enabled (such as the filters), I saw no mention of possibly the most evil option at all, namely the "DVD Video compliant" option. This option overrides the maximum bitrate to 9800, thus possibly causing VBV buffer overflows (underflows?).
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Not It really only writes "9800" for the max. bitrate to the GOP headers, that's all. It still does perfectly satisfy your real max. bitrate setting. This is also in the CCE manual.

yeah.. i was fittling(sp) through the manual the other day and noticed that.. its significant when using maestro/scenarist because it usually first checks that value before it does the true scanned bitrate check... and it may b*tch about it.. its less significant here since i would imagine jdobbs routines will presume bitrate
compliancy.

[jdobbs]

@tf

I think the rule of thumb is that there isn't a lot of improvement when you go over 4 passes. How many did you have in mind?

[tf]

Fast response!

Anyway, I know the rule of thumb, though I've heard it was 5 passes. Still. 1-9 would be nice, perhaps with a warning when you set it higher than 4 (something like "Warning: More than 4 passes will not yield noticeable improvement in quality, but will take much longer").

But hey, it was just a suggestion. The backup I did, looked marvellous.

-tf

[huesage]

@jdobbs:

some people like to choose for themselves even if there is not alot of or any quality gain. i personally go for 9 passes on extras with big three because of low bitrate, to compensate. and 7 passes for main movie which has more bitrate, this is probably overkill, but i still like to get the best quality possible out of it.

hope this helps you make up your mind as too how many pass options to give.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by huesage
@jdobbs:

some people like to choose for themselves even if there is not alot of or any quality gain. i personally go for 9 passes on extras with big three because of low bitrate, to compensate. and 7 passes for main movie which has more bitrate, this is probably overkill, but i still like to get the best quality possible out of it.

hope this helps you make up your mind as too how many pass options to give.

9 passes? Wow.. for what your PC eats up in electricity running that many passes, you could buy another copy!!!

;)

Keep up the great work JDobbs

[quantum]

My personal tests over the last two years show no visible difference with anything over 2 passes. There is the universal assumption that more is always better.

[Paced]

Originally posted by quantum
My personal tests over the last two years show no visible difference with anything over 2 passes. There is the universal assumption that more is always better.

I agree with quantum.

[huesage]

@KungFuCow:

I see you have a sense of humour, I was refering to the extras, since I set them to a very low bitrate I compensate with more passes. I might be wrong, but are you trying to help? or make fun?

If you wanna make fun, I think your post is apropriate.
If you wanna help, please try again and give your honest opinion with an explanation.

I thank you in advance for your enlightning of why I am wrong on this subject.

[huesage]

Hey guys,

More to report, hope all this posting helps...

Using DVD-RB 0.16 with CCE SP 2.67 through eclCCE:
the encode process went nice, but when it was time to author, i got a runtime error as follows:

Run-time error '380'
Invalid property value

Oh, this was in one click mode using an NTSC version of ROBOCOP.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by huesage
@KungFuCow:

I see you have a sense of humour, I was refering to the extras, since I set them to a very low bitrate I compensate with more passes. I might be wrong, but are you trying to help? or make fun?

If you wanna make fun, I think your post is apropriate.
If you wanna help, please try again and give your honest opinion with an explanation.

I thank you in advance for your enlightning of why I am wrong on this subject.

I was halfway making fun and half way being serious. My eyes dont really show much difference pass 2 passes like some others have stated. Ive done up to 5 passes on some really large DVDs and compared them to 2 pass versions and they all look about the same to me.

[The_Flash]

CCE's manual states there is no visible gain after 5 passes. Of course, there are people who swear that this is incorrect and that they can tell the difference on their 97" Plasma HDTV. Since I'm not spending every other day watching the same film, I'll stick with 5.

[dvdRENEGADE]

Everyone has their own opinion regarding the "correct" way to backup DVDs...some 2-pass...some 9-pass. Whatever "you" think is the best is the best. People see things differently. Hell, who knows, maybe my blue is actually your red.

@huesage:
Are you sure you have DVD Rebuilder pointing to the eclcce .exe instead of the cce .exe? That gave me the same problem last night.

dvdRENEGADE

[quantum]

I was able to complete Matchstick Men r1 ntsc. I used CCE 2.5. I also verified dvdrb 0.16 works with the later versions of CCE. I'm glad I was able to help jdobbs :-)

2 issues:
1- It seems dvdrb wants write access to the source path. When I tried to "rebuild" from an iso image mounted via daemon tools, I got a path/file access error. I copied all the files to a directory and changed the source path and then it worked.

2- There were some navigational issues. In ifoupdate, options->vts_tmapti table transfer must be set to be able to jump to specific times in both the standalone and software dvd players. This table is apparently not being transferred when dvdrb does the rebuild phase.

Otherwise things seemed basically ok. The video_ts folder was very close to the right size and navigation seemed reasonably functional. I didn't burn and test mixed video extras, but I'll get to this soon. I'm very curious to hear if the vts_tmapti issue can be addressed or if there is a workaround.

Nice progress for 24 hours. :-)

[huesage]

OK guys and gals,
Since a lot of people are having similar problems to the ones I was having at the start, I have decided to write a little instalation guide.

Here is a list of things you need to download:

1- Avisynth 2.54 (from doom9 software download page):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/SupportUtils/AviSynth_254.exe

2- DVD2AVI dg (from doom9 software download page):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Decoders/decodefix100.zip

3- EclCCE 1.7b (from doom9 forum, link in one of the posts):
http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/eclcce.zip
you only need this if you are using CCE SP 2.50, you do NOT need it for 2.6x and above.

4- DVD Rebuilder 0.16 or latest version available (from doom9 forum, link in this thread):
http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=459634

5- CCE SP 2.50 or CCE SP 2.66 (from doom9 software download page, trial versions):
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Encoders/MPEG2/cspte250.exe
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Encoders/MPEG2/ccespt266.exe

Here is the instalation process:

1- install Avisynth 2.54

2- extract all the contents of DVD2AVI dg (decodefix100.zip) directly into the Avisynth 2.54 "plugins" folder
ie: C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins

3- install the version of CCE you want to work with. If you installed CCE SP 2.50 go to step 4, if not, go directly to step 5.

4- extract "eclcce.zip", run it and point it too your CCE SP 2.50 executable
ie: C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe

5- extract DVD Rebuilder 0.16 (dvd-rbv016.zip) or later
- run it
- click on "options" menu then "setup"
- here you have to point the APROPRIATE box to your EclCCE.exe or cctsp.exe depending on the version of CCE used
ie: If using CCE SP 2.50: C:\Program Files\eclcce\EclCCE.exe (in the "Path to CCE Pro 2.50" box)
ie: If using CCE SP 2.6x and above C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\cctsp.exe (in the "Path to CCE Pro (New))

6- make sure you also go to the "Options" menu, "CCE Options" and check the correct version of CCE you are using ;-)

7- if any of your source video is interlaced, make sure to go to "Options", "AVS Options" and check "ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)".

I hope that this has been helpful to some of you and that it does not cause any trouble because of links or space it has taken on the thread. This is only meant to be a help to Jdobbs who has worked so hard and has accomplished so much.

NOTE: Please do not take this guide word for word, it is only meant to help you, send you in the right direction and save you some time. you might have to do things a little different than it is mentioned in here. GOOD LUCK !!

[huesage]

@dvdRENEGADE:

YES, I am sure, I am using eclCCE for all versions ;-) the encode went fine... when time came to join all the files and output the VOBs it gave me that error and crashed.

[DMagic1]

:D
Newest version fixed the problems I had with Trainning Day. Works with Rejig and CCE 2.50.

[daxab]

Run-time error '380'
Invalid property value
@huesage (or @jdobbs)
Did you ever get past this? I'm stuck with a "Run-time error '380'" during the

"- Copying IFO, BUP, and menu files..."

phase. It happens at the very end, when the progress bar is almost at 100%, or possibly after the program has completed that phase.

[huesage]

@daxab:

I only get that error when using CCE SP 2.67, when using CCE SP 2.50 I get a finalized backup. What version of CCE are you using daxab?

[daxab]

I'm on 2.67, but this is during the Rebuild phase, so it shouldn't matter -- should it? Er, do I need to re-encode everything using 2.50?

[huesage]

I know it does not make sense, my problem is also durring the rebuild phase, but when I run it with CCE SP 2.50 the rebuild phase completes without errors. Im sorry I have no answer for you, but as of now, we are in the same boat.

[KungFuCow]

Some DVDs do that.. The Goonies did the same thing to me. Try a different DVD and see if you get different results.

[huesage]

OK,

before i crash out, I just quite DVD RB 0.16 with the paths still there. I unmounted the ISO that was in "Source Path" and when I restart DVD RB i get a runtime error everytime. I had to delete it and unzip a fresh copy, I guess I could have remounted that same ISO and it would have started up again.

Anyway, that is the last post for the night, hope this one has an easy fix.

good luck Jdobbs.

PS: I will leave RAMBO FIRST BLOOD widescreen edition on 1 click mode with DVDRB 0.16, CCE SP 2.67 and EclCEE. Will post results in the morning.

[LuemmelBS]

For my special case I know now, where the annoying Runtime Error 380 problem came from after hitting Rebuild". The extension for MPEG2 ES was set to .mpv in CCE, although the .ecl file instructed CCE to save it as .m2v, it simply didn't.
After renaming all encoded .mpv files to .m2v the rebuild process went fine.

Maybe this helps some of you guys who suffer the same problem.

@jdobbs: There's another small glitch in the app: after hitting rebuild it does what it should, but when it's finished the button says "Remerge" instead of "Rebuild". Am I missing something? DVD tested and works fine.

I wish I could do more than 4 passes without editing the .ecl file manually. ;)

Thanks for that nice app!

[DarkNite]

Other than the fact that some people prefer not to use automatic plugin loading (editing 30+ avs files instead of just entering a path to the plugin directory in the setup dialogue is rather annoying) I think this app is moving along quite nicely.

Keep up all the good work, and amazingly quick updates, it's greatly appreciated.

[GizmoDerMokwai]

willl there be any option to convert also the menu? such like CloneDVD can do it...

[DMagic1]

My finished DVD using the Rejig option has a problem. Fast forwarding and rewinding causes the DVD to freeze then return to chapter 1 or die. OF all the DVDs I've done I never seen this behavior on any for my DVD players. Other movies created with Rejig alone dont have this problem. I burned it twice on different media and it does the same thing, so I know its not the media.

Pioneer - Plays, can skip chapters, but can not fast foward or rewind without causing the DVD to go back to chapter 1.

PS2 - Starts to play but freezes at black screen before WB logo. Finally starts to play but begins at chapter 2 for 2 seconds then dies.

XBOX - Plays, can skip chapters, but can not fast forward or rewind without crashing.

Sony - Plays, can skip chapters, but can not fast foward or rewind without crashing

Toshiba - Plays, fast forward and rewind works properly.

[TheBigDave]

I'm having a problem similar to DMagic1. It occurred using the 3-click CCE (2.50) mode on DVDRB v0.15. I didn't have any problems converting or building the DVD. And it seems to play fine on my PC using PowerDVD. But here are the problems on my two standalone players:

Lite-On - When I play the DVD, it will play 1-2 seconds and then jump to the next chapter. Then it will play another 1-2 seconds and jump to the next chapter, until it gets to the last chapter. If I try to Fast Forward, it will freeze at the jump-point.

Toshiba - The first 15 minutes seemed to play fine. Then the video and audio started to hiccup and stutter. When I hit FF or RW, the movie jumps 2 minutes then starts forwarding/rewinding.

As I said, I haven't been able to replicate these problems so far on the PC.

I'm going to try again with DVDRB v0.16.

Any ideas?

[tf]

I read the posts about not being able to FF or RW in the final result. I went ahead, and tried my backup of 25th Hour (PAL Region 2) on my Pioneer DV343, and it had no problems whatsoever in that respect. FF and RW both worked as they should.

One note to jdobbs:

I know I am able to deselect streams, but as far as I see, the reference to the stream is still intact in the final result, making it possible to select silent/empty streams. It would be great if the reference was removed altogether, much like Shrink and Recode etc. does it.

During the night I did a backup of "Memoirs of the Invisible Man" (PAL Region 2), and that one was actually smaller than a dvd5, so DVDRebuilder reported a dvd size of 107%! Found it quite amusing, and the result DID turn out bigger than the original. It still worked very well, and plays like it should.

So far that's two movies with good results. Will try a much more difficult one later (Amelie PAL Reg 2, loads of menues/extras etc.)

Thumbs up to huesage for the neat little instruction. Will pass that along to friends.

-tf

[Cayne]

Hello from Germany, i'm currently trying that great program, and I already like it although my first project is not yet finished.

I wanted to donate some 10 ? , my problem is that i dont own a credit card. Is there any other way to donate?
Perhaps if you are in Europe it would be possible to do a direct transfer of the money from bank to bank, i dont know the english word in german it's called "überweisung".

Bye.

[mikegun]

hi,

with the latest beta the whole process finished without an error.
I couldn't play the result so far. just for curiosity reasons I let ifoedit do its "get vts sectors" and it corrected one file:
"corrected sector adress in table [VMGI_MAT]:
Last sector of VTS:[old:23][new:29](VTS_04_).BUP

regards,

mikegun

[Nic]

@jdobbs & DMagic1: What DMagic is describing sounds exactly like what happened when my unreleased beta's of ReJig were writing incorrect SCR values. Have you got PowerDVD XP DMagic1? How does seeking work in that? Try seeking to a point and then seeing if PowerDVD seek bar stays at that point....

@all: I've put together a little free MPEG-1/2 Encoder called QuEnc that jdobbs may include into Rebuilder, if any of you feel like testing the quality please do, so that jdobbs can see if it's worth including.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72827
(please keep all posts about QuEnc, in QuEnc's thread)

-Nic

[jdobbs]

Run-time error '380'
@ huesage

This is odd. I keep putting in one DVD after another and I just can't repeat this error.

Let me see if I have it right:

1. It only happens when using 2.67? (Is it Basic or SP?)
2. It happens at close to 100% completion
3. During the "Copy IFO..." phase of "Prepare"

Is there anything else that is unique about this?

[Paced]

@jdobbs

Great work on the latest release man, everything is A-OK here :D I haven't come across any errors/bugs so far.

@Nic

Cool, I'll give this program a shot now :)

[lighty]

@jdobbs

One or two sugestions:

1. If you're not using RoBa method (I hope not) but a true multipass option, could you add an option to set different bitrate to credits? (CCE supports this in Multipass VBR mode)

2. Could you remove that ugly green color (I am not kidding, I may not be psychotic but I want to freak out when I see it- no kidding).

3. Could you please post latest version on the first page of the thread?


Anyway- you're doing a great job. May I ask in what language did you wrote DVD-RB? C++? :)

[slafe]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@ huesage

This is odd. I keep putting in one DVD after another and I just can't repeat this error.

Let me see if I have it right:

1. It only happens when using 2.67? (Is it Basic or SP?)
2. It happens at close to 100% completion
3. During the "Copy IFO..." phase of "Prepare"

Is there anything else that is unique about this?

it`s seen to be when you have mount a image in daemon tools...i got the problem then....but now when i run file mode in dvddrecrypter it`s works fine.

"cce 2.50 +eclcce + avisynth 2.54 + dvdavi2dg +dvdrebuilder 0.16"

one queaens.. why only 4pass on cce?...maybe more pass...like 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10...??..

[RB]

jdobbs, could you please clarify on the DVD2AVI issue. I don't think it needs DVD2AVI.EXE anywhere in the system, right? When you state in the Rebuilder.txt DVD2AVI installed (Donald Graft version preferred -- it doesn't lose frames) you are actually referring to Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll, right?

I think you are creating the D2V files using your own code that was derived from DVD2AVIdg.EXE source code, right?

[buzzqw]

@RB

Mpeg2Dec3.dll must be in avisynth2.5 plugin dir.

BHH

EDIT not Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll but Mpeg2Dec3.dll , afaik

[mikegun]

hi,

as I do not have dvd2avi installed on my system and everything works fine it is safe to say you do not need it !

regards,

m.

[lab-one]

To mount the finalized VIDEO_TS contents do I need to create an .iso file and mount it with Daemon tools? Or is there a better way?

Also, I am using CCE 2.50 SP and when I try to point ECLCCE to it, ECLCCE seems to be looking for a trial version of CCE. I pointed it at the CCE.exe but it doesn't appear to make the connection. What am I doing wrong. I had some failures that others have mentioned when using CCE mode (which I will work through later) but everything looks good when doing it in ReJig mode. VIDEO_TS was 4.26GB. I would just like to view it before wasting a DVD.

Finally, regarding CCE trial versions. I understand they place a watermark on the encoded video. Is this visible at all times, just the beginning of the video....when? It would seem that if the entire video has the label that would be quite annoying.

Thanks.

[tf]

I'm using Mpeg2Dec3.dll too. Dunno if the Mpeg2Dec3dg.dll is better, but so far I haven't had problems.

On that matter, I've just finished my third attempt (Amelie, PAL Region 2, lots of menus and extras etc.) and the result was simply perfect. That's 3-for-3 for me :-)

-tf

[hypo20]

Just run manually eclCCE, go to Options -> Outputs -> Extensions (or something like that) and change the extension for MPEG-2 video from MPV to M2V. Now DVD-RB will make M2V files, not MPV and 3rd phase will work perfectly. :D

Tested. On dual AMD Opteron system :o)) Works cool to me.

GREAT WORK THIS SOFTWARE HERE. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

[tf]

lab-one:

There is no need to mount the files. Just play them with your player, just about every single software dvd-player will allow playing of files off hd.

If you wish to burn them to dvd, just use nero or something similar.

jdobbs:

As I cannot use PayPal, I was wondering if there is a bank account I could transfer some money to? I know it is costly, but I'd still like to donate a bit to such a great feat.

-tf

[krbo]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@Paced,

This is the correct setting for a two pass encode. vbr_pass=1 means that there is one pass in addition to the .VAF pass.


That is for discussion.It looks for me that CCE programmers always think "number of passes over MPV file" not counting VAF file into it.

So, if you manually set in CCE "2 pass encoding" you'll have ECL
with vbr_pass=2 which will produce one pass over VAF and two over
MPV file.

This naming difference is confusing and IMHO you should stick with CCE's behaviour. (otherwise you'll continously answering questions about that :) )


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I still can't have progressive output from progressive input.
DR always sets output as interlaced with alternate scanning.