CCE One-Click Software Beta

[jir591]

Just more feedback for the group:

I tried DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.5 + ECLECC using One Click Mode. The program processed the movie without interruptions or error messages. In the status window the program stated that the job was complete after 1 hour 42 minutes. I checked the output and the total was only 1.24 GB of which there was only one 0.99 GB VOB file in the titleset for the movie.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by redfive19
I just read a previous post and you said it was an AviSynth error. However, I checked the original AVS in MPC and it plays without error. Any ideas?

Instead of opening it in MPC, see how CCE opens it (since it is often a different method). In the encoding settings window click on "settings" button, next to the input file name, then double click on the file in the new window. This will open up the window used to set chapter points and will show a preview of the video. If AviSynth is giving an error you can read it here, where as the encoded error message is always jumbled.

[Paced]

Originally posted by jir591
Just more feedback for the group:

I tried DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.5 + ECLECC using One Click Mode. The program processed the movie without interruptions or error messages. In the status window the program stated that the job was complete after 1 hour 42 minutes. I checked the output and the total was only 1.24 GB of which there was only one 0.99 GB VOB file in the titleset for the movie.

You've got the same problem KungFuCow had - you need the required AVISynth plugins for DVD-RB to work the way it's supposed to. I suggest you read back a few pages, the solutions are listed somewhere there :)

[redfive19]

Here's the error I get when look at the AVS in CCE:

Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.avs, line 5)

Any ideas?

[Paced]

Originally posted by redfive19
Here's the error I get when look at the AVS in CCE:

Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.avs, line 5)

Any ideas?

Perhaps you could paste the contents of the .avs for us to see? Or, you could tell us what command is located in line 5 of the script :)

[huesage]

OK,

I finally installed everything properly thanx to Paced last night and let the "one click process" run overnight. I woke up to 2 errors:

1- I had a CCE CRC checksum missmatch.

2- There was a runtime error also which I cannot tell you what it was related to.

The backup has completed and seems to be working just fine exept for the fast forward and rewind issues that was mentioned earlier, it plays through the menu and i can do a chapter select without a problem.

As far as the CCE checksum problem, I knew someone who has the same problem when Overclocking their system and running CCE, this person had to use a patch to ignore those errors.

PS: My system is not Overclocked and I have ran CCE without any errors like this on this system many times before.

Athlon64 3000+ , Asus K8V Deluxe , 1GB (2x512) OCZ DDR400 (2-2-2-7)

Any ideas?

[redfive19]

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V") <-LINE 5
trim(0,3002)
ConvertToYUY2()

[RB]

Look into the D2V file. Are the VOBs the first lines in the D2V file point to really there?

[Paced]

Originally posted by huesage
OK,

I finally installed everything properly thanx to Paced last night and let the "one click process" run overnight. I woke up to 2 errors:

1- I had a CCE CRC checksum missmatch.

2- There was a runtime error also which I cannot tell you what it was related to.

The backup has completed and seems to be working just fine exept for the fast forward and rewind issues that was mentioned earlier, it plays through the menu and i can do a chapter select without a problem.

As far as the CCE checksum problem, I knew someone who has the same problem when Overclocking their system and running CCE, this person had to use a patch to ignore those errors.

PS: My system is not Overclocked and I have ran CCE without any errors like this on this system many times before.

Athlon64 3000+ , Asus K8V Deluxe , 1GB (2x512) OCZ DDR400 (2-2-2-7)

Any ideas?

What version of CCE are you using? There is a patch available for CCE 2.50 that fixes this CRC error (it's very common, so I doubt it's only for overclocked systems).

@redfive19

Everything in that script looks fine to me - this is just a long shot, but may I ask what plugin you're using to enable the "mpeg2source" command?

[huesage]

@paced:

I am running CCE version 2.5, and as you said, my friend just sent me the patch in question, so I am hoping that it will take care of that problem. But I still do not know where the runtime error came from, although appart from that backup process seemed to go very smoothly.

PS: I am using a PAL DVD for backup tests which i recently ordered from France.

[influenza]

PS: I am using a PAL DVD for backup tests which i recently ordered from France.

from france, that might be the problem ;)

I do not envy jdobbs, waking up and having to read a couple of pages of news replies.

It's interesting to see that some people go to the whole process withoput a glitch, while others have lots of problems. Maybe Jdobbs can create an installer that includes all the files needed and/or can someone create a comprehensive list of all files/tools needed and their respective setup/location.

[mikegun]

hi @all,

I'd love to try this but I can't get it to work properly.
The problem is that the .m2v files are not created ?!
The programm flips through messages like "creating m2v for segment xy"
and at the end it sasy "creating m2v for segment 00" and nothing happens.
I installed latest avisynth and plugins and eclcce (I'm using cce 2.50). I can open the .ecl file manually and cce does it's job, so it seems like my system is not responsible ?! Did I miss something ?

regards,

m.

p.s. pressing rebuild gives me the run-time error 380. invalid property value

p.p.s. forget it, I found it out myself. should point executable to the eclcce and not to the cce.exe itself !!

[Paced]

Originally posted by huesage
@paced:

I am running CCE version 2.5, and as you said, my friend just sent me the patch in question, so I am hoping that it will take care of that problem. But I still do not know where the runtime error came from, although appart from that backup process seemed to go very smoothly.

PS: I am using a PAL DVD for backup tests which i recently ordered from France.

Cool, the patch should definitely fix your CRC error, but, I'm not sure where that runtime error came from (if it happens again, try to remember the exact message and paste it in here :)).

About your PAL DVD, I think it's safe to presume there is both progressive and interlaced material in it? If so, be careful not to burn your DVD, it's most likely DVD-RB told CCE 2.5 to encode the video streams without the progressive tags - I just did another test, and after CCE encoded the video (with DVD-RB's settings), which was originally progressive, DVD2AVI + BitrateView both reported the output stream was interlaced (which is obviously wrong, and your DVD player may not like that).

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the current DVD-RB settings are quite OK for interlaced (PAL) material (usually in the form of DVD extras) - or at least upper field first streams (which has been the case with the majority of PAL DVDs I've come across)...

[redfive19]

@Paced
mpeg2dec3 is in the plug-in folder in AviSynth
I've also tried with mpeg2dec3dg in that folder (the one that came with DVD2AVI).....

[influenza]

If so, be careful not to burn your DVD, it's most likely DVD-RB told CCE 2.5 to encode the video streams without the progressive tags

IMHO this is not important at all. I've encoded numerous PAL dvd as interlaced while the source was progressive. This doesn't make the slightest difference. While most PAL main movies are progressive all programs report them being interlaced anyway.(at least in most cases)

Encoding interlaced material with wrong settings is a quite other story of course, but we weren't talking about that ;)

[Paced]

Originally posted by influenza
IMHO this is not important at all. I've encoded numerous PAL dvd as interlaced while the source was progressive. This doesn't make the slightest difference. While most PAL main movies are progressive all programs report them being interlaced anyway.

Encoding interlaced material with wrong settings is a quite other story of course, but we weren't talking about that ;)

My DVD player has a problem playing 'interlaced' PAL (when it's meant to be progressive), maybe it's just my player :) I haven't gotten around to trying it on my other stand-alones yet..

//Edit

My other DVD player plays it fine without hassles, it may just be a problem with the first player I tried it with.

The first DVD player makes the main movie stutter quite badly, although the interlaced material on the DVD plays as it should. It's wierd I know :)

//Another edit

Yes influenza, progressive video being encoded as interlaced causes 'stutter' in one of my DVD players. But when the progressive tag is added, it's gone :)

[influenza]

I wonder what problems it has. You mean progressive video encoded as interlaced? While encoding it with progressive on wouldn't give a problem? Very strange

[Paced]

Originally posted by redfive19
@Paced
mpeg2dec3 is in the plug-in folder in AviSynth
I've also tried with mpeg2dec3dg in that folder (the one that came with DVD2AVI).....

Strange, did you check the D2V file(s) as RB said in an earlier post?

@influenza

Replied in the //edits above :)

[redfive19]

@Paced
Yeah I checked the d2v file and all seems well in there.

[Paced]

@redfive19

Just out of curiousity, what happens when you try to load the AVS into VirtualDub? Do you get the same unrecognized exception error?

//Edit
I'm beginning to think this might be a DVD2AVI conflict you're having, make sure you only have DVD2AVI 1.76 installed - if you already have this version installed, I give up :)

[redfive19]

wow haven't used VDub since the divx days! Lemme check!

[redfive19]

No I do not get that error in VDub. It looks as it does in MPC.

//EDIT
The DVD2AVI version I have is the Donald Graft one, is that what I should use???

[influenza]

Try to use the other one and see what happens. Not all apps can hadle the projects that the dg version produces. I don't know if DVD-RB experiences frames loss while demuxing? (dvd2avi does this on vobid demuxes, which is the reason to use the dg version for that)

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by Paced
Cool, the patch should definitely fix your CRC error, but, I'm not sure where that runtime error came from (if it happens again, try to remember the exact message and paste it in here :)).

About your PAL DVD, I think it's safe to presume there is both progressive and interlaced material in it? If so, be careful not to burn your DVD, it's most likely DVD-RB told CCE 2.5 to encode the video streams without the progressive tags - I just did another test, and after CCE encoded the video (with DVD-RB's settings), which was originally progressive, DVD2AVI + BitrateView both reported the output stream was interlaced (which is obviously wrong, and your DVD player may not like that).

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the current DVD-RB settings are quite OK for interlaced (PAL) material (usually in the form of DVD extras) - or at least upper field first streams (which has been the case with the majority of PAL DVDs I've come across)...

Would you happen to have a link to this patch? I seemed to have had a similar problem.

[mikegun]

hi,

after my first test (pal movie)I end up with some .bup, ifo, menu and a main movie ca. 1gb vob file.
I tried to play the files from hd, but it didn't work.
opening the main movie vob file shows a black image with some red
blocks at the bottom.

regards,

m.

[E-Male]

running the 2nd test now, dvd-rb with rejig
didn't have any problems yet

i'm really looking forward to more advanced versions of this software
with optiosn to remove certain extras and distribute the bitrate between the videos

again: the basic features work really fine for me atm
keep up that good work

[huesage]

ok,

i tried to switch over from CCE 2.5 to 2.67 (both SP), BIG MISTAKE !! i got many instances of CCE trying to run and messed everything up. 2.5 was running fine so I am going back to 2.5.

[Raymongo]

in the rebuilding phase i get the error

runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range

If i press ok DVD-RB closes!

[DrChair]

Originally posted by RB
Now about the glitches :)

DVD-RB detects eight audio tracks in VTS_01 although there is only a single audio track: Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)


I noticed the same behavior...
My guess is, that DVD-RB doesn't analyse all the VTS_XX.IFO's but only looks at the VIDEO_TS.IFO (which often contains invalid audio/subtitle info).


I haven't had the time to try out anything else than "prepare" yet, but this app sure looks promising.

One option I'm already missing though: The ability to encode the extra's at a different bitrate then the main movie (without manually calculating the bitrate and editing the ecl file)

Anyways, I'll give it a futher try tomorrow...

[E-Male]

Originally posted by Raymongo
in the rebuilding phase i get the error

runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range

If i press ok DVD-RB closes!

i got the same (in german) on "independence day" pal, branching!

this worked fine: "the fast and the furious", ntsc

[KungFuCow]

Ive found, like some others, that the program will bomb on some DVDs. Probably DVDs I shouldnt even be trying with RB yet.. like The Goonies R1, which causes the program to crash when trying to rebuild the DVD.

However, for every "standard" DVD Ive tried with it, its worked great. I did notice the multiple audio track problem on R1 Lost In Translation but the DVD seems to play fine in PowerDVD, I havent burned it yet.

I did disable the Resample Audio option in the AVS options section and added the addaudio.avsi script file to my plugin dir and Im redoing Down With Love now just to see how that works out.

For those of you having problems with the red pattern at the bottom of a black screen and undersize DVDs, you need to make sure you have MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in your Avisynth plugin dir and either Resample Audio is check and AddAudio is unchecked (If you're using CCE 2.5, etc) or if you're using CCE 2.67, you need to have Resample Audio unchecked and AddAudio checked (You need the addaudio.avsi script in your /plugin dir for this tho).

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by E-Male
i got the same (in german) on "independence day" pal, branching!

this worked fine: "the fast and the furious", ntsc

Yea, Seamless branching causes bad stuff to happen but its not supported yet as JDobbs stated so I guess its to be expected.

[Skinleech]

Originally posted by djan
I tried DVD Rebuilder using ReJig but it stops while Video Demultiplexing the last VTS. It gives me the following error : Run-time error '9' : Subscript out of range.

Thx for your help to let me try this great piece of work.

EDIT : The same problem with CCE 2.5 and the other method.

I'm using CCE 2.50, and I get this error too, right at the start of the preparation, when scanning VTS_01_0.IFO of the dvd I'm testing (Portis Live R2 disc). I'm using version 0.15.

Any ideas?

[E-Male]

tried "rush hour" pal, no branching, but many audio tracks, most of them grayed out in powerdvd
and i get the mentioned error 9 at the very beginning, at the start of the preparation part

also tfatf doesn't work anymore
all i do was updating avisynth and dvd2avi to the versions from the readme
i'll go on testing tonight

[mikegun]

Originally posted by KungFuCow

For those of you having problems with the red pattern at the bottom of a black screen and undersize DVDs, you need to make sure you have MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in your Avisynth plugin dir and either Resample Audio is check and AddAudio is unchecked (If you're using CCE 2.5, etc) or if you're using CCE 2.67, you need to have Resample Audio unchecked and AddAudio checked (You need the addaudio.avsi script in your /plugin dir for this tho).

I thought this is avisynth related and not cce related ??

rgds,

m.

[KungFuCow]

I was under the impression that the Resample Audio was to work around a bug in earlier versions of CCE, at least thats what I gathered from some posts I read.

[jptheripper]

thanx so much for this tool, cant wait to give it a whirl

[FMalibu]

First of all, I think a big thank you to jdobbs is in order! From what I've seen now this tool could be a great asset to anyone wanting to backup a DVD in the highest possible quality with the least possible fuss. So keep up the good work! :)


Secondly, a short guide to those having trouble with the MPEG2Source and AddAudio errors:

1. From the Avisynth manual: make a short .reg file containing the following:


REGEDIT4


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Avisynth]
"PluginDir2_5"="c:\\program files\\avisynth\\plugins"


Edit the path to reflect your plugins directory and doubleclick on the .reg file you made.

2. Copy MPEG2Dec2dg.dll (from neuron2.net) to this directory.

3. If you have DoItFast4U installed, copy addaudio.avs from the new.avs directory in your DoItFast4U directory to this plugin directory. Rename it to addaudio.avsi. This will make the AddAudio() function work.

You should have no avisynth problems after this. Of course, always make sure you have the latest version...


And last but not least, some constructive (at least I hope so) criticism. The big posts from both RB and influenza had some very good comments and questions (way to go on the interlaced thing influenza!) which I wonder about as well, so I'll just mention the things I can add to that.

- Among the CCE options that were said to be enabled (such as the filters), I saw no mention of possibly the most evil option at all, namely the "DVD Video compliant" option. This option overrides the maximum bitrate to 9800, thus possibly causing VBV buffer overflows (underflows?). It should really be off

- On the DVD I tried I saw that the maximum bitrate actually set was 9000. Is this a constant or does it vary depending on the audio stream bitrates? If there are a lot of audio streams then 9000 is definately too much.

- I see that the bitrate is distributed evenly among all cells on the entire DVD. I have already read some suggestions to influence this manuall for the extras etc. I recognize the need to encode all cells seperately to force CCE to insert an new closed GOP at exactly the right position, but there are some issues with encoding so many parts seperately, as pointed out by RB. Maybe a way to remedy this is to look at the bitrate of the individual parts and apply the resizing ratio against that. This means that parts with higher bitrate will be transcoded with a higher bitrate and vice versa.

- It's only a minor issue, but maybe you can have the ConvertToYUY2() command be ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) if the stream has the progressive flag disabled. There will be some artifacting if you were to use this command on interlaced material.

Other than that, personally I would be a big fan of more control over the .ECL file and bitrate distribution, like I already said.

And again, thanks alot for the coding effort, hope to see many more betas from you!

-- FMalibu

[mikegun]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
I was under the impression that the Resample Audio was to work around a bug in earlier versions of CCE, at least thats what I gathered from some posts I read.

however, use add audio with avisynth 2.5x on any cce version and
the addaudio.avsi script.

regards,

mikegun

[RB]

Originally posted by FMalibu
- Among the CCE options that were said to be enabled (such as the filters), I saw no mention of possibly the most evil option at all, namely the "DVD Video compliant" option. This option overrides the maximum bitrate to 9800, thus possibly causing VBV buffer overflows (underflows?).
Not :) It really only writes "9800" for the max. bitrate to the GOP headers, that's all. It still does perfectly satisfy your real max. bitrate setting. This is also in the CCE manual.

[jir591]

Trying to find mpeg2dec3dg.dll. I went to Donald Graft's site (http://neuron2.net/index.html) but its not working. Can someone point toward another download site?

[mikegun]

http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/

[jir591]

thanks

[wmansir]

What do you know, it worked. :)

Using 0.15 build, 3 click method w/ CCE 2.5 with ECLCCE. The DVD was Peewee's Big Adventure. I ended up having to finish up the encoding manually with the .ecl file but it started out ok. I'm not sure what happened because the first 20 or so cells encoded fine then I left the computer alone and when I came back there were 6-7 ECLCCE windows saying that "only one instance of EclCCE...". So I closed them and used the existing .ecl file to finish up the encodes and then rebuilt it. The resulting files look and play fine on my computer. I dont have a spare RW or I would test them in a standalone.

PS. The window title for .15 still reads .14

[E-Male]

sorry if it has been asked before
how do i tell the program where dvd2avi is?
how do i make it use the reommended version?

[mikegun]

you don't have to !!

regards,

m.

[dvdRENEGADE]

My first attempt at using this app was with Pirates of the Caribbean DVD #2. I used CCE 2.5 with ECLCCE. Everything went smoothly and it created my VIDEO_TS directory which contains my finished backup. However, menu navigation within PowerDVD and WinDVD using the backup is non-existant. I am not able to select anything from the menu. The buttons will not highlight when the mouse is over them. The original works fine. The video .vobs play fine when opened separately within PowerDVD and WinDVD. Puzzled, dvdrenegade

P.S. Thanks for the hard work jdobbs. It's good to see you back at the grind...hehe. This app is looking very promising.

[huesage]

OK,

I have made a good working backup of ROBOCOP NTSC using "one click" with CCE SP 2.5. I am very happy that this is actually working out, I can tell that this is not just a silly attempt at making a one click tool, this actually works, and works well !!

I am very pleased although there is still alot left to do...

I still do not know why I cannot run any other version of CCE ? I am sure those problems will slowly get worked out.

[tf]

My first attempt... and it was a success.

Movie was 25th Hour PAL Nordic version. I used CCE2.50 Pro with ECLCCE and the mpeg2dec3.dll. Everything went quite smooth and the result was 40 mb from max size.

Menu plays ok. Movie plays ok. I had previously stripped the original with DVDStripper, and had DVDRB work on that output.

All in all a total success.

Thanks for an awesome product which I am certain will rock even more in the future.

-tf

[djan]

Do I need to use EclCCE when I have a fully working CCE 2.50 (not Trial Version) ? Thx.