YAMB 1.6 is out

[SeeMoreDigital]

@ Kurt

Can´t open all your lates ZIP Archives with 7Zip, WinRAR or normal ZIP. Have you changed your packer?Hi Joe,

Do you mean you're also unable to unpack Yamb-1.4_20060103.zip?

If so, I've not encountered any such troubles with any of the three tools you mentioned :eek:


Cheers

[Hyper Shinchan]

I had checked mp4tags code and there were only routines for jpg and png. I didn't include png support coz I'm lazy... :o but I can add it for sure.
I don't know about the code, but I've tried with a build of mp4tags (the mpeg4ip tagging tools, right?) and it works also with gif. Try it and let me know.

[leowai]

Hi Joe,

Do you mean you're also unable to unpack Yamb-1.4_20060103.zip?

If so, I've not encountered any such troubles with any of the three tools you mentioned :eek:


Cheers
It seems like corrupted file download if using download manager. I used free download manager client for the download yesterday and downloaded file is corrupted.

Download using a single thread from your browser should fix this. That's how my download works after a few try out.

[Kurtnoise]

I don't know about the code, but I've tried with a build of mp4tags (the mpeg4ip tagging tools, right?) and it works also with gif. Try it and let me know.
aa right. It works...restriction is for extraction. Sorry for the confusion. I'll add it asap.


[edit]: for those who are interested by fresh builds, I uploaded my last mp4box compile (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/mp4tools/).

[Kurtnoise]

here is a build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/Yamb/Yamb-1.4_20060104.zip) with .gif support...;)

[Hyper Shinchan]

here is a build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/Yamb/Yamb-1.4_20060104.zip) with .gif support...;)
Tnx! So it works ;-)
EDIT: God damm it, I can't extract it!!! Please check it out Kurt!

[Kurtnoise]

you mean pictures extraction ? if yes, we can't with this tool. Only deleting...

[leowai]

I think Hyper Shinchan means the new Yamb build.
You should use SINGLE thread download using browser. Multi-thread download using Download Manager seems to have problem here, file corrupted.

[Hyper Shinchan]

I think Hyper Shinchan means the new Yamb build.
You should use SINGLE thread download using browser. Multi-thread download using Download Manager seems to have problem here, file corrupted.
Yes, I mean that, right. I'll try it.
P.S. why did you write "Hyper Shinchan"??? It's kinda strange... you can call me also Shinchan, if you think that "Hyper" is weird.

[Selur]

little request for a future version:
'preview for the splitting part'

This would help if one wants to extract a specific part. :)

[Kurtnoise]

you mean a video preview ? If yes, it's expected for Yamb 2.0...

[Hyper Shinchan]

The download works using the browser, anyway it's strange.....
BTW, is it possible to add the copyright string (it's not a great feature, but actually it's the only metadata specified in the standard, but that it's not displayed from any player.....)?

[Kurtnoise]

mp4tags hasn't this command as you can see:

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/mp4tags_cmdl.gif

There is a copyright switch in mp4box but this is not displayed by a dshow players as you have noticed. For the moment, you can write your copyright style in "Comments" part if you want...MPC displays it fine.

[bond]

here is a build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/Yamb/Yamb-1.4_20060104.zip) with .gif support...;)is .gif supported by itunes?

[Kurtnoise]

only png and jpg as far I know...

[bond]

only png and jpg as far I know...i thought so, might be better to not use gif then

[Kurtnoise]

blah...:)

btw, I found a new tool for tagging mp4 files : AtomicParsley (http://atomicparsley.sourceforge.net/). Did you know it ?

AtomicParsley longhelp.
Usage: AtomicParsley [m4aFILE]... [OPTION(s)]...[ARGUMENT(s)]...

example: AtomicParsley /path/to.m4a --E
example: Atomicparsley /path/to.m4a --artist "Me" --artwork /path/art.jpg

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Atom Tree

--test , -T Tests header of an m4a to see if its a usable m4a file.
Also prints out the hierarchical atom tree.

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Atom contents (printing on screen & extracting artwork(s) to files)

--textdata , -t prints contents of user data text items out (inc. # of any pics).

Extract any pictures in user data "covr" atoms to separate files.
--extractPix , -E Extract to same folder (basename derived from file).
--extractPixToPath , -e (/path/basename) Extract to specific path (numbers affixed to name).

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Setting Tags:

--artist , -a (str) Set the artist tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©ART.data"
--title , -s (str) Set the title tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©nam.data"
--album , -b (str) Set the album tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©alb.data"
--genre , -g (str) Set the genre tag: "©gen" (custom) or "gnre" (standard).
--tracknum , -k (num)|(num/tot) Set the track number (or track number & total tracks).
--disk , -d (num)|(num/tot) Set the disk number (or disk number & total disks).
--comment , -c (str) Set the comment tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©cmt.data"
--year , -y (num) Set the year tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©day.data"
--lyrics , -l (str) Set the lyrics tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©lyr.data"
--composer , -w (str) Set the composer tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©wrt.data"
--copyright , -x (str) Set the copyright tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.cprt.data"
--grouping , -G (str) Set the grouping tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©grp.data"
--artwork , -A (/path) Set (multiple) artwork (jpeg or png) tag: "covr.data"
--bpm , -B (num) Set the tempo/bpm tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.tmpo.data"
--albumArtist , -A (str) Set the album artist tag: "moov.udta.meta.ilst.aART.data"
--compilation , -C (bool) Sets the "cpil" atom (true or false to delete the atom)
--advisory , -y (1of3) Sets the iTunes lyrics advisory ('remove', 'clean', 'explicit')
--tagtime , -Z Set the Coordinated Univeral Time of tagging on "©ed1"*
--information , -i Set an information tag on "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©inf.data"*
--url , -u Set a URL tag on "moov.udta.meta.ilst.©url.data"*
--stik , -S (1of4) Sets the iTunes "stik" atom (options available below)
("Movie", "Whacked Bookmark", "Music Video", "TV Show")
--description , -p (str) Sets the description - used in TV shows
--TVNetwork , -n (str) Sets the TV Network name on the "tvnn" atom
--TVShowName , -H (str) Sets the TV Show name on the "tvsh" atom
--TVEpisode , -I (str) Sets the TV Episode on "tven":"209", but its a string: "209 Part 1"
--TVSeasonNum , -U (num) Sets the TV Season number on the "tvsn" atom
--TVEpisodeNum , -N (num) Sets the TV Episode number on the "tves" atom
--podcastFlag , -f (bool) Sets the podcast flag (values are "true" or "false")
--category , -q (str) Sets the podcast category; typically a duplicate of its genre
--keyword , -q (str) Sets the podcast keyword; invisible to MacOSX Spotlight
*Denotes utterly non-standard behavior; invisible to iTunes

--writeBack , -O If given, writes the file back into original file; deletes temp

--metaEnema , -P Douches away every atom under "moov.udta.meta.ilst"

To delete a single atom, set the tag to null (except artwork):
--artist "" --lyrics ""
--artwork REMOVE_ALL
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Here is a build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/mp4tools/AtomicParsley-v0.7.5e-rc2.7z) for windows. Maybe I'll switch to it. Need to be tested imo.

[Hyper Shinchan]

i thought so, might be better to not use gif then
Why don't you try it by yourselves? It supports gif, at least in the 6.0.0.18 release (that it's the one I'm using). I can upgrade to 6.0.1 if you need it.
It doesn't show the animation in the animated gif, anyway (but I think that it's the same with animated png).
About the copyright, I was referring to the MP4Box one can you add it? It's displayed from Crappy Time (former Quick Time):D

[bond]

Why don't you try it by yourselves? It supports gif, at least in the 6.0.0.18 release (that it's the one I'm using). I can upgrade to 6.0.1 if you need it.
It doesn't show the animation in the animated gif, anyway (but I think that it's the same with animated png).if itunes supports it, its ok
after all the tags were introduced in itunes, so they should be also compliant to itunes

[Hyper Shinchan]

blah...:)

btw, I found a new tool for tagging mp4 files : AtomicParsley (http://atomicparsley.sourceforge.net/). Did you know it ?



Here is a build (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/mp4tools/AtomicParsley-v0.7.5e-rc2.7z) for windows. Maybe I'll switch to it. Need to be tested imo.
Yeah, it seems quite good, indeed it seems better than mp4tags, it also output the mp4 in another file from default (good idea). If you will implement it, do you think to add all the switch or not? It's quite a long list.

[Kurtnoise]

All switches aren't necessary I think (especially TV shows, podcats...). But I like copyright and lyrics, though it works only with iTunes.

An other good point for this tool : it doesn't screw up chapters atom.
An other bad point : it supports only unicode characters. At least for the windows build. Fortunately, it's not a real problem for me coz I can use my Unicode-to-UTF8 conversion routine...;)

[Hyper Shinchan]

All switches aren't necessary I think (especially TV shows, podcats...). But I like copyright and lyrics, though it works only with iTunes.

An other good point for this tool : it doesn't screw up chapters atom.
An other bad point : it supports only unicode characters. At least for the windows build. Fortunately, it's not a real problem for me coz I can use my Unicode-to-UTF8 conversion routine...;)
That's right! Your Yamb is really good for the tagging with special characters (and it works also with japanese characters!!!).
BTW how can i use special characters in the command line, until it's not included in Yamb? there is a way to switch the prompt to UTF-8?

[Kurtnoise]

iirc, Bond has found a way to do that...but I don't remember where is it.

[anaxamander]

I'd just like to add some info I've gathered after looking at lots of mpeg4 files (audio & video). Not that I understand vast swaths of the specification, but here goes anyway.

• iTunes doesn't let you embed anything except jpeg (progressive or otherwise) or png. Everything else it converts. Up until some iTunes 6.0x release, it wasn't capable of showing any other kind of image. It can currently show a gif of a pdf (at least a single-page pdf) & probably anything Quicktime can, but nobody should ever, EVER support that. Not everyone is on the latest iTunes. Up until some 6.0 version, if the image wasn't nearly 72dpi it wouldn't display either (i damn near scratched my head off trying to figure that one out some time ago because I embedded outside of iTunes).

• iTunes doesn't like uuid atoms in (what iTunes must think of as MY hierarchy) moov.udta.meta.ilst. Any uuid atom there will cause iTunes to completely ignore all metadata. Remove the uuid atom, and iTunes will float your boat.

• mp4tags (or anything based on mpeg4ip's libmp4v2) works very fast (compared to AtomicParsley, that's for sure). But since there is no perfect mpeg4 metadata tagger, libmp4v2 comes with a price too. When you alter a tag, what happens is a determination is made as to where the moov atom is with respect to mdat. If mdat comes before moov (libmp4v2's favorite), then there are essentially no penalties - except that it sucks for streaming. However, if moov comes first (great for streaming, but not so hot for libmp4v2), the original moov atom is duplicated at the end (thus mdat is "sandwiched" between the 2 moov atoms), and the original is NULLed out to be a free atom. That's the libmp4v2 penalty - you have to use a seperate optimize (mp4creator -optimize) on the file to really finish the task of mp4tags - I don't think most programs that use libmp4v2 do that optimizing. Now if you have lots of artwork in an audio file, say that's 600K of new free atom space. If its a video file - it's more like 1.5MB (at least). That adds up after over the course of a few dozen files. Serious consideration should be given to implementing that additional step of optimization.

[Kurtnoise]

Interesting. Thanks for the hints. :)

[Kurtnoise]

A new build for testing (http://yamb.unite-video.com/Yamb-1.4_20060118.zip)...

Changes:
Introduce mov container for muxing/splitting/joining/extracting.
Add "optimize mp4 file layout" option for tagging part. This is available if mp4creator is detected in mp4tags folder.
utf8 datas are converted in unicode for extract infos panel.
Add copyright switch.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks for providing the .MOV container support. File reading and extraction seems to be working okay: -

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/2921/yamb14200601188zm.png

I meant to mention this some time ago.... is there an ability for MP4box to determin the "video" streams FPS speed.... I can't seem to find it?


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

is there an ability for MP4box to determin the "video" streams FPS speed.... I can't seem to find it?
timescale ?

[SeeMoreDigital]

timescale ?Oh bummer.... how embarrassing!

Mind you... I wonder why Jean does not use the more familiar expression "FPS" ?


Cheers

[wetfeet2000]

hello, i just wanted to post a possible bug with YAMB 1.4. But before i go on to tell you about whats wrong with your program, i just wanted to say that its quite awesome, and has helped me tremendously. Ok now for the possible problem.

I think there are some problems with the way you calculate the PAR on import. I wanted to change the aspect ratio of a video of mine to 4:3 NTSC, so i selected your preset for 4:3 NTSC, and recoded it. After playing it, i realized that the aspect ratio was still incorrect. After looking at the stream information, I realized the stream had been assigned a ratio value of 10:11. I am not positive how the values compute, but i read in another post that 4:3 NTSC should turn out to be 8:9. I enabled the option to show the command line that it was passing to MP4box, and sure enough, when importing the video again with your preset of 4:3 NTSC, the command line value is ar=10:11. Perhaps this needs to be changed to 8:9 to obtain the correct aspect ratio.

I'm kinda a noob with all this video editing stuff, so I may be completley wrong, but this was my experience anyways. I resolved the problem by copying the command line into a batch file and replacing the values with 8:9.

Thanks again for making YAMB, it has worked quite nicely aside from this small problem.

Also, maybe you guys can tell me why ffdshow isn't obeying the aspect ratio, but VLC is ?

[bond]

Mind you... I wonder why Jean does not use the more familiar expression "FPS" ?because the timescale isnt the framerate

mp4, as a container handling variable framerate, is totally framerate agnostic. if you want to know the average framerate of a mp4 file you need to calculate it from the duration and the framenumber. mp4box -info doesnt do that, but mp4info from mpeg4ip does it

BTW how can i use special characters in the command line, until it's not included in Yamb? there is a way to switch the prompt to UTF-8?i wrote a howto about that here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12075&st=50&p=344927&#entry344927)

[Kurtnoise]

I think there are some problems with the way you calculate the PAR on import. I wanted to change the aspect ratio of a video of mine to 4:3 NTSC, so i selected your preset for 4:3 NTSC, and recoded it. After playing it, i realized that the aspect ratio was still incorrect. After looking at the stream information, I realized the stream had been assigned a ratio value of 10:11. I am not positive how the values compute, but i read in another post that 4:3 NTSC should turn out to be 8:9.
where did you read that ?

Blame SMD for these "bad" values...:D

[bond]

xvid uses 10:11 for ntsc 4:3, but that might be the value needed for asp, dunno if its different for avc?

edit: checked the specs, 10:11 is correct for avc
8:9 is definitely not mentioned in the avc specs

Also, maybe you guys can tell me why ffdshow isn't obeying the aspect ratio, but VLC is ?in directshow you need to make sure the ar info is passed to the video renderer
iirc this can be done in ffdshow by checking the overlay mixer option

[Hyper Shinchan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper Shinchan
BTW how can i use special characters in the command line, until it's not included in Yamb? there is a way to switch the prompt to UTF-8?
i wrote a howto about that here
Tnx for the hints Bond!
About the aspect ratio, it seems that it's correct, the Annex E of the AVC/H.264 specs says that it's 10:11 for 720x480 NTSC with horizontal overscan.
Anyway, when I change the AR with Mp4Box it set the correct AR, but it flags the resolution in the MP4 as 0x0. Is it normal? Anyway I prefer to set it during the encoding.
I'm sorry about the gif's shit that I was claiming, but I only use ITunes and MP4tags and i've not noticed that they were converted into jpg. Anyway that new tools claims that it won't have the conversion routine in the Windows version, and they are avaible only in MACOS. Why???
P.S.: tnx for the usefulonlyforhs copyright switch!
P.P.S.: xBond: I have to re-type it every time, that code, right?

[bond]

Anyway, when I change the AR with Mp4Box it set the correct AR, but it flags the resolution in the MP4 as 0x0. Is it normal? Anyway I prefer to set it during the encoding.hm where do you get this 0x0? i dont get this with the latest compile from kurtnoise

[Kurtnoise]

I guess your avi file has been created with the vfw interface, right ? Maybe this is the issue...

Anyway that new tools claims that it won't have the conversion routine in the Windows version, and they are avaible only in MACOS. Why???
because libiconv routines for AtomicParsley is disabled during the compilation for windows plateform.

[Hyper Shinchan]

I'm a little sad about the copyright option. I've tried it a lot of times, with Yamb and with the commandline but it doesn't show the copyright on QT.
QT 7 (aka crappy Time) doesn't say a single thing, while QT 6.5.2 (the latest good version of qt imho) says that it doesn't support the encoding of the notes.
Can you try it? I've tried it also with the prompt setted to 65001 table (utf-8) and with the correct fonts (as explained by Bond), but it doens't work. I think that MP4Box doesn't set it in UTF-8/16 or at least it's the only possible explanation.
Please try it.
About AtomicParsley: for me it doesn't work with utf-8, it says it also in the docs (at least in the file that i've downlaoded from Kurt website):
• cygwin - utf8 output is disabled. I have no unicode typefaces in my win98se OS, I have no idea if it even has any notion of unicode, and I have no idea how to get bash to switch typefaces even if I did.
So there isn't utf-8 output (If i try to use a special character like "à" it doens't show it.
P.S.: this program seems to be very good on MacOS, but it seems to be a piace of shit on Windows imho.

[Kurtnoise]

copyright switch from mp4box works fine but this is not available in any dshow players or quicktime (maybe with Osmo4 but I didn't test it).

Go to Extract tab and load your file copyrighted, you'll see some infos about that.

Concerning AtomicParsley: like I said iconv routines have been disabled for windows builds. So, for the moment you can't use it with special characters. I don't know if it's really necessary to include it into YAMB. Maybe, launch a poll and ask to other people whether they are interested...:)

btw, I can build an AtomicParsley GUI for you with utf8 support if you want...but outside Yamb.

[Hyper Shinchan]

copyright switch from mp4box works fine but this is not available in any dshow players or quicktime (maybe with Osmo4 but I didn't test it).
The copyright setted by MP4Box is the same setted with QT 7, as far as I know.
It's the only avaible usage of the UDTA box specified in the specs (I can also compare the copyright atoms of QT and MP4Box if you need), and QT 6 says that the encoding is uncorrected, it's not the metadata that it's unsupported (I'll check it better late, you know that I could be easily wrong).

Concerning AtomicParsley: like I said iconv routines have been disabled for windows builds. So, for the moment you can't use it with special characters. I don't know if it's really necessary to include it into YAMB. Maybe, launch a poll and ask to other people whether they are interested...

btw, I can build an AtomicParsley GUI for you with utf8 support if you want...but outside Yamb.
I prefer to test it a little more, becasue it doesn't seems so good on windows at the moment. An external gui can be a good solution (and you're very kind to propose it^_^, tnx), because anyway it's a slow program, especially with large files.

[Kurtnoise]

I can also compare the copyright atoms of QT and MP4Box if you need
yes, I would like...

I prefer to test it a little more, becasue it doesn't seems so good on windows at the moment. An external gui can be a good solution (and you're very kind to propose it^_^, tnx), because anyway it's a slow program, especially with large files.
Using some GUI won't increase the speed you know...

[Hyper Shinchan]

Yeah, but the average users can be bored to wait all that time only to optimize the final size of the file, i think.

[Hyper Shinchan]

http://digilander.libero.it/Hyper_Shinchan/Doom9/cprt_test.rar
In that rar there are 4 xml made with the diso switch of MP4Box.
They are one mp4 with QT and one with MP4Box and one 3GPP made with QT and another one made with MP4Box. They shows the same box structure, right?
P.S.: tell me if you want short sample made with QT i can upload them (just few second, but it's not important the lenght, for our purpose).

[anaxamander]

copyright switch from mp4box works fine but this is not available in any dshow players or quicktime (maybe with Osmo4 but I didn't test it).
The source to mp4box/main.c:

gf_isom_set_copyright(file, "und", cprt);

seems to put in a lang code of "und" not (for me) "eng". It also gets hardcoded in cprt_New in box_code_base.c

That, and it seems to strip out all iTunes-style metadata. But I have a lovely copyright there. Sure its not visible.... that's the charm of it!

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So in case that didn't spell it out for you, you will need to wait until mp4box lets you specify what language code you want on the command line before it will work.

Or complain to Apple that 'und' isn't a supported language.

[Kurtnoise]

you will need to wait until mp4box lets you specify what language code you want on the command line before it will work.
Is it really necessary this language code for copyright ?

Or complain to Apple that 'und' isn't a supported language.
I'll replace "und" by "eng" in the code to see if that works or not.


btw, your 0.8 experimental build with UTF8 support doesn't seem to work for me...


@Bond: split Molinacaleiro's thread please....:)

[bond]

the copyright flag is not a tag like the itunes tags...

[anaxamander]

btw, your 0.8 experimental build with UTF8 support doesn't seem to work for me...
did you catch http://atomicparsley.sourceforge.net/unicodecygwin.html

[Kurtnoise]

mmh, I see. But what about users who have not Cygwin installed ?

[molinacabaleiro]

so...
did you get a chance to check the logs out?

[molinacabaleiro]

I see, you moved the thread

[anaxamander]

mmh, I see. But what about users who have not Cygwin installed ?
I have no idea. As long as it works for me on Mac OS X, I'm satisfied. And on Mac OS X, I don't need cygwin.

If when you use cmd.exe you can guarantee a specific encoding (say always utf-16), then something like StringReEncode(atomPayload, "UTF-8", "UTF-16") could possibly work. If its windows codepages or whatever, then you are out of luck; if its something in (google: "man iconv_open") encodings, then it could work.