Hybrid: Input -> x264/x265/Xvid/VP8/VP9

[greatdanton]

Would it be better between megui and hybrid?

[Selur]

Not sure what you want, I guess you wanted to ask which is better, MeGui or Hybrid.
Since they both use the same encoder, there shouldn't be much of a difference.
Surprise! Personally I prefer Hybrid, but I'm the author. :D *gig*

MeGui:
- Windows only (afaik)
- always uses Avisynth (scripts need to be adjusted to use Avisynth MT)
- allows the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- easier to use, but has less options

Hybrid:
- Crossplattfrom
- uses Avisynth only if the AvisynthExtension is used (always uses Avisynth MT unless told otherwise)
- does not allow the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- more options -> more complicated to use, no One-Click-Mode

Cu Selur

[Music Fan]

Would it be better between megui and hybrid?
I used to use MeGui and now I use Hybrid, and I will not come back to MeGui.
Hybrid can do a lot of things and Selur always answer the questions and solves the bugs very quickly.;)

[Selur]

Selur always answer the questions and solves bugs very quickly.
I try to. ;)

[digitall.h]

I try to. ;)

I may confirm it:
YES, selur does answer the questions and solves bugs very quickly.

Furthermore, Hybrid is natively cross-platform. Very interesting for us Linux users.
I just miss in Hybrid support for avisynth in Linux... but MeGUI also doesn't. And it is not Hybrid's fault. Maybe someday Vapoursynth...

[Selur]

I use Hybrid with Aivsynth through wine under Linux from time to time, setup some options to use it when I looked into how to easily setup wine + avisynth on ubuntu systems,..

[greatdanton]

Not sure what you want, I guess you wanted to ask which is better, MeGui or Hybrid.
Since they both use the same encoder, there shouldn't be much of a difference.
Surprise! Personally I prefer Hybrid, but I'm the author. :D *gig*

MeGui:
- Windows only (afaik)
- always uses Avisynth (scripts need to be adjusted to use Avisynth MT)
- allows the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- easier to use, but has less options

Hybrid:
- Crossplattfrom
- uses Avisynth only if the AvisynthExtension is used (always uses Avisynth MT unless told otherwise)
- does not allow the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- more options -> more complicated to use, no One-Click-Mode

Cu Selur

I'm a pleasure to reply from author and I'm honored :)
You're right. Certainly it seems to be good than Megui. but I found some of bugs. for example After I finished an encoding from DVDISO source, as I input same DVDISO again.
Hybrid is crased. I always have to reinstall for re-work
I don't know why the program is crashed.

[Selur]

I suspect I probably fixed that problem a while ago but didn't release a new public version yet, since (a. still waiting for feedback regarding another bug b. got some problem connecting to my mac build environment atm.)
-> if you tell me which OS you are using, I can send you a link to a development version, if that version also doesn't help see: http://selur.de/support regarding what infos are needed for me to reproduce and fix a problem

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.09.16.1:
*changed*

muxing: less folders to delete on AVCHD creation with tsMuxeR 1.11.x+
lot of refactoring to keep code base maintainable

*added*

resize: option to decide whether or not 'keep resize on source change' will be dis-/enabled depending if the source is a multi- or single source
encoder: Windows only: !experimental! DivX265 Command Line encoder support (muxing to mp4 requires recent MP4Box version), progress indication only works if ffmpeg is used as decoder. -> it's mainly ment to simply have a GUI for it, even if the options are really restricted (not by Hybrid but by the cli encoder itself), copy DivX265.exe into your Hybrid folder to try

*fixed*

extract: mencoder/mplayer audio extraction
input: crash when using DVD input on Windows Systems (caused by a threading bug in QT5)
audio: faac encoding with ffmpeg as decoder
audio: ffmpeg audio encoding with raw output didn't always use the proper output path
audio: ffmpeg audioID and ffmpeg audio index were mixed up on some audio extraction calls
a bunch of Mac OS X related problems
vp9: ffmpeg outputting yuv4mpeg instead of rawvideo when feeding vpxenc
analyse: analyse all title on a DVD not just all after the first selected
x264: error when applying 'zerolatency' tune option
jobs: merging of ffmpeg audio&video extraction calls with single audio source
input: wrong source selection when loading Blu-ray content through mplayer/mencoder since it uses it's own (not documented) mpls<>Blu-ray title mapping. -> dropping support for libbluray in mplayer/mencoder
muxing: automatic passthrough audio/video title, crash

*cosmetics*

added source selection option to Audio-tab
show current title in window title for multi source input


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

[Marchand]

Selur

Hybrid rev 2013.09.16.1:
Experimental! DivX265

Info: Your Mp4Box version seems to be too old to handle MPEG-4 AVC content!

Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I searched and tested some versions of MP4Box and still the same message?

Could indicate MP4Box.??

Thank's

[Selur]

Damn, that is what I forgot to add to the package, an updated MP4Box Version. Version needs to be 4524+.
Current MP4Box nigthly versions should be fine. (http://gpac.wp.mines-telecom.fr/downloads/gpac-nightly-builds/ you would need the mp4box binary and the supporting libraries)
-> will update the Hybrid download
-> new Installer and Win32 package is uploaded

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.09.17.1:

*changed*

tools: Windows: exchanged the MP4Box version, updated tsMuxeR and MkvToolnix

*fixed*

jobs: remuxing mkv(MPEG-4 ASP, X) -> avi(MPEG-4 ASP, X) missing subjob-ID in name
tools: tsMuxeR version detection


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

Ps.: Starting with Thursday, I'll be offline and on holidays, so don't wonder if I don't reply to messages/posts.

[Marchand]

Selur.

Your new encoder is very good. :goodpost:

After some tests and with the exchange of 03 executable files, the file got Hevc-MKV (AUDIO AND VIDEO), which works perfectly in DivXPlayer 10 with the same final file size.

Test Video Hybrid.v2.Run.DivX.Player.mkv: https://shared.com/zzeapv260h
General
Unique ID : 170643492645265471224919133343816347489 (0x8060BDC14062C3EE9F6DC3884C43EF61)
Complete name : C:\Users\Marchand\Videos\Hybrid.v2.Run.DivX.Player.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 1.36 MiB
Duration : 7s 466ms
Overall bit rate : 1 530 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:55:38
Writing application : mkvmerge v6.2.0 ('Promised Land Rovi v1.0.4') built on Aug 29 2013 13:59:38
Writing library : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.0
Encoding Gui : Hybrid 2013.09.17.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 7s 466ms
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 7s 466ms
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz / 22.05 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Default : Yes
Forced : No


These executables original Hybrid, converted into H265/MP4, only worked in OsmoPlayer where we would be limited to using it only for audio and video.

Test Video Hybrid.v1.Run.Osmo.Player.mp4:
https://shared.com/qjzje10b17

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Marchand\Videos\Hybrid.v1.Run.Osmo.Player.mp4
Format : hvc1
Codec ID : hvc1
File size : 1.36 MiB
Duration : 7s 572ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Writing application : Hybrid 2013.09.17.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 7s 465ms
Bit rate : 1 412 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2 932 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.028
Stream size : 1.26 MiB (92%)
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 7s 572ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 113 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 20ms
Stream size : 104 KiB (7%)
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:30:41
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21


I tried testing in Hevc-MKV with original files that you launched and could not, because the Hybrid always originated errors.

Finally, follow the link 03 zipped executable files to their final tests in Hybrid and exchange if they want and if you can enable the option we can save the configuration of testing HEVC (. Xml) would be good for us.

Link 03 files zipped: https://shared.com/zjdbv1ohlc

Thanks for your project and your commitment to provide us with this great encoder.

[Selur]

Hybrid does not support hevc inside mkv since mkvtoolnix does not support it atm., the only way to save HEVC inside mkv is using some by DivX/Rovi modified mkvmerge&Co versions, which Hybrid does not support because the version is based on 6.2.0 (current is 6.4.1) and I'm not sure how future proof these versions are.

[Pulp Catalyst]

just a quick question really, does this program convert Bluray to Xvid without going through a Indexing process of any kind (i use XMedia Recode which does realtime converting, like handbrake does), I'm looking for something a little better than XMedia Recode, it's good for what it is, but one small thing that has always plagued this program is the way it crops, and the resolution aspect ratio downscaling functions.... it quite often gives me a really low height resolution which is much lower than what MeGUI would give, or handbrake for that matter, i have emailed the developer three times, with no answer!

Handbrake does now support ASP output (with the right advance command you can make a compatible ASP Xvid output, then just change the container for AVI), however it is not powered by Xvid itself, but rather a generic version of it (inside ffmpeg), which after many tests is far inferior to Xvid (profile=15:level=5:trell:mbd=2:mv0:v4mv:cbp:dia_size=2:pre_dia_size=2:last_pred=3:cmp=2: \
precmp=2:subcmp=2:bf=2:b_strategy=1) is as good as it gets with ffmpeg, but still no where near as good as Xvid.... only way to get good outputs is to throw about an extra 35% bitrate at the encodes than you would with just using Xvid alone.... sometimes a lot more if there are a lot of dark scenes.

any suggestions would be great, i just hate having to go through the indexing part with bluray films because it takes ages, and really puts a lot of strain on hard drives, also with ffmpeg and mencoder now being so mature in development, i'm still surprised how many converters still need to index stream first before encoding???

mediacoder is good on paper, but it's so slow, and very buggy, i can never get it to use more than 40% of my cpu no matter what settings i use (3770k)

any feedback i'll appreciate, looking for some insight aswell too.

[Guest]

i just hate having to go through the indexing part with bluray films because it takes ages DGDecNV can index a bluray in about 5 minutes. Is that really so onerous? Indexing isn't a useless thing, you know. It allows for accurate and robust random access, which is critical for the proper operation of many Avisynth scripts.

[Pulp Catalyst]

but to index a bluray stream, you have to demux first, i didn't say that part "demuxing", when i rip a bluray it creates a MKV or a .ts file, this can't be indexed without causing serious issues... so MeGUI for example will have to demux first, then index, then it can start the job, then it has to remux the final output..... 30 to 40minutes if not more has been wasted just on demuxing, indexing and remuxing alone. this is what i am trying to get around.... like handbrake does (but no Xvid support)

i understand the need for anysynth, but it would be nice to have a option to bypass that if needed (speed)

[Guest]

but to index a bluray stream, you have to demux first

Not true. DGDecNV can index TS, M2TS, and MKV directly without demuxing.

when i rip a bluray it creates a MKV or a .ts file, this can't be indexed without causing serious issues

Not true.

[Pulp Catalyst]

any feedback i'll appreciate, looking for some insight aswell too.

instead of saying true, not true, how about offering some insight, that is what i asked,

if my MeGUI setup is wrong, please tell me,

everytime i load a bluray into MeGUI, it first demuxes the streams i want from the MKV or .ts file, then it indexes the actual video stream, then it does the encoding job i want, but of course now it needs to remux the video and audio stream into a AVI container.

so that is not true, so please, tell me where i can forego, the need to demux, remux, and go straight to the encoding in realtime.

[Guest]

I just noticed this is all OT for this thread. Please start a new thread. I will answer you there.

[greatdanton]

I found out another bug. As I re-encode DVD source for test purpose, the program is crashed because It doesn't create work file of an extension like .stats in temp folder which is seleted with default. but If I change temp folder, program is working. It's a real hassle to change path of the temp folder as often as new job

[Selur]

@greatdanton: I need some proper debug output and some further information on what you are doing, see: http://www.selur.de/support
@Pulp Catalyst: Hybrid will use ffmpeg and not do any indexing (unless the avisynthExtension is also installed)

[digitall.h]

selur, last Hybrid 2013.09.17.1 Linux 64bit version working great.
Did not test yet with blu-ray, perfect with DVD.
:thanks:
It seems to take longer (big difference) time to start up than previous versions, is that possible?

[Selur]

It seems to take longer (big difference) time to start up than previous versions, is that possible?
yes. .)
a. make sure you disable debug output during start up
b. fixed some stuff to speedUp startUp again, so next public version should be fast again

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.02.1:

*changed*

external: updated avisynthExtension to 20130927
gui: speedUp loading the UI
muxing: Hybrid will allow Hevc inside mkv if mkvtoolnix from rovi is used (!this version does not come with Hybrid!)
tools: Hybrid now caches the tool paths and versions, this way only when the Hybrid revision changed will the startUp check tool paths and versions

*added*

chapters: add a chapter every Xth key frame
tools: 'Clear all cached tool infos'-button to enforce clearing and checking of tool paths and versions

*fixed*

audio: dynamic range compression got ignored sometimes
audio: extracting dts/ac3 core sometimes didn't delete the dts-hd/true-hd track
fonts: custom font path handling (font extraction)
general: shutdown/resume on Linux
jobs: postpone and continue after restart didn't work as it should
misc: ignore list wasn't processed properly
output: mkv attachments weren't extracted
path: fix problem when user name contains non ascii elements (there still might be problems, will fix once they are reported by someone)
subtitle: auto embed first
x264: 'preset faster' + minimize caused broken call

*cosmetics*

subtitle: 'color-select'-buttons got an image


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.03.1:

*added*

x264: option to limit the number of threads to: 'input height'/40 + 'maximum number of b-frames'
see: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1646307#post1646307[/*]

*fixed*

ui: startUp didn't work if some tools were missing (hopefully fixed now)
jobs: .sup subtitle were accidently marked unsupported


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

[Music Fan]

Great job ; do you believe I need last version (I'm still running with rev 2013.08.15.1) ?
Is the x264 version included in rev 2013.10.03.1 more efficient than the one in rev 2013.08.15.1 ?

[Selur]

it's a newer version and looking at the x264 changelog (http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=summary) it should be a bit faster on x86 systems,..

[Music Fan]

Ok, I'll take it ;)

[Music Fan]

Took !
The exe for Windows is 68,6 MB, not 53MB ;)

[Selur]

hmm,.. will update the numbers tomorrow (haven't changed them for ages ;))

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.04.1:

*fixed*

system: could accidentally delete the content of ~/local/share due to a home folder mess-up


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

Ps.: haven't updated the numbers,yet ;)

[alter4]

Huh
Excuse me, guys, didn't get what numbers do you mean?

[Selur]

the sizes of the downloads that are shown on the download page (haven't updated them for a while,...)

[alter4]

Thanks!
Actually I have a question. HYbrid says me:
->disabling qaac support since 'Apple Application Support' is not installed,...
I have qaac portable with qtimes libs and put to the root Hybrid folder, qaac portable works good (for example in foobar2000). Is a way to use it without install Apple Application Support?

[Selur]

Only if you add the registry entries which come with the apple application support, since Hybrid checks these for verify if the Application Suppor is installed.
on 64bit systems:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Apple Inc.\Apple Application Support" with "InstallDir" pointing to the folder where the application Dir is located
on 32bit systems:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Apple Inc.\Apple Application Support" with "InstallDir" pointing to the folder where the application Dir is located
didn't know there was a portable version.

Does this portable version come with a modified qaac binary or does the normal qaac already support having the qtfiles in a separate folder next to the binary?

Cu Selur

[alter4]

Answered as private message.

[digitall.h]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.04.1:

*fixed*

system: could accidentally delete the content of ~/local/share due to a home folder mess-up

...

Now you worried me... :eek:
Accidentally delete anything :( ?

:D:D:D:p:p

;)

[Selur]

Seem to happen on some systems, couldn't reproduce myself, when the custom font folder matched to ~/local/share directly -> removed the auto-clean on close, so custom font folder will only be cleaned if explicitly triggered.

[digitall.h]

Hi Selur,
I'm running Hybrid 2013.10.04.1 Linux 64bit version.
This version starts a lot faster.
But..
It does not accept well the path to delaycut :confused:

When running a job, Hybrid crashes with a message:
...
/home/user/Vídeos/delaycut doesn't exist!
-> 16_41_43_2410_02_audio crashed:set absolute paths crashed,...
finishedJob: 16_41_43_2410
Job 16_41_43_2410 finished!
...
I pointed correctly to the path where delaycut is, but Hybrid crashes when trying to apply it, saying it does not exist!... but it does.
Send you little debug.
Best

[Selur]

will look at the debug once I have it. -> send you a test version

[digitall.h]

Thank you.
I'm running a job, cannot test right now.
I'll be back ASAP.
Best :cool:

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.09.1:

*changed*

audio: support for external fdkaac audio encoder; before fdkaac was only supported if it was compiled into ffmpeg
x264: support for '--aq-mode 3' and '--fade-compensation' if the used x264 supports it

*added*

audio: support for external fdkaac audio encoder; before fdkaac was only supported if it was compiled into ffmpeg

*fixed*

audio: handling of 96kHz dts audio
batch: audio mapping mix-up during batch processing
general: Hybrid crash some times, when a job crashed
mux: remuxing of hevc content between .mp4 and .mkv
x264: OpenCL support (wasn't cached properly)

*removed*

tools: FLACCL from the Windows package, reason (https://sourceforge.net/p/cuetoolsnet/bugs/17/). (will add back once I find flaccl version where the problem is fixed)


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.10.1:

*changed*

paths: try to keep all path relative as long as possible to allow bette portability (got lost when tools caching was added)
audio: added default bit rates for the audio encoders

*fixed*

audio: downMix mixup when encoding the same multichannel audio stream first to mp3 then to in example ac3
audio: faac encoding, with extrenal faac
audio: limiting ogg and mp3 audio bit rates
avisynt: deathray settings
gui: avisynth integration didn't show the Avisynth Preview

*added*

audio: support for external fdkaac audio encoder; before fdkaac was only supported if it was compiled into ffmpeg

*cosmetics*

jobs: pcm big endian only supported for raw output, since no container supports it


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.10.10.2:

*fixed*

audio: faac encoding, with extrenal faac
audio: additional 96kHz fixes
gui: installed and Hybrid regarding UTF-16 names and paths
vp9 not beeing recognized

*cosmetics*

jobs: add wav output size for wav raw output to log


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

[DJ-1]

hi, Im on the newest Hybrid, version 2013.10.10.1...I got an errors creating AC3 audio file.

What I`m doing is :

File mode, .M2TS input
Pretty basic global profile, and having the `Add passtrough for reencode`option enabled under the audio tab.
So I`ll end up with 1 DTS-MA (passthrough)
+ 1 .AC3 track for older devices.

The Audio handling is `Custom`.

Add to queue, hit GO.

It extracts DTS-MA fine, then crashes with `exit code 1` (near bottom of the debug.)

Not mentioned video settings as it never gets that far.

Debug:https://www.dropbox.com/s/f51ft8rjrolrnfx/HybridDebugOutput.txt

Cheers.

[Selur]

I know the problem, got it fixed locally, it's a bug in the job optimization (disabling: Config->Internals->Handling->Minimize Jobs) and recreating the job should fix the problem.

[DJ-1]

Ok, cheers m8, will give it a go when i get back home.....

cheers.

[digitall.h]

First try with Hybrid Linux 64bit rev 2013.10.10.2, with a DVD source, everything worked well.
:thanks:

[DJ-1]

OK, I,got the PM ,cheers.
I ran a job without selecting any global profile, changed output contaner,
selected the .M2TS input
Disabled : Config->Internals->Handling->"Minimize Jobs"
Audio handling is `Custom`
Went into audio settings/misc ....enabled the Passthrough of source audio + the Before/after option also.
Selected a secondary AC3 audio profile to encode 2nd track to.
created job, hit GO.

same result with exit code1 (near bottom of log).

cheers.

degug: https://www.dropbox.com/s/83wwv7ufa4gmv55/HybridDebugOutput1.txt