Hybrid: Input -> x264/x265/Xvid/VP8/VP9

[Music Fan]

It's simply a question of choice done at the authoring ; when you click on "movie" in the main menu, there is a link between this button and the title containing the movie. And with dvd's or Blu-ray's that launch automatically the movie without having to click on anything, it's also a link between 2 titles (when the first is a trailer or something else), or the first action to do when disc is inserted (launch title 8, go to main menu ...).
When doing authoring, one can chose to launch a title after another (creating a link, an order, a kind of playlist), or go back to main menu after the movie or a bonus ...
The authoring also allow to launch a title when no button of the menu is pressed after a certain time.
I believe it's written in the ifo files, but I'm not sure there is a way to detect it, you can just see what happens after a title or a menu is played. Anyway, even if you find these links, they won't contain informations about titles but just a title number, and you are not supposed to know what's the number of the movie's title (it's generally the longest but sometimes the making of is longer), it can be any number, there is no rule.
Here is an exemple of these links created by the autorer in Dvd Lab ;

http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/gallery/layout.jpg

[digitall.h]

It's good you found the fix.

I also hope somebody can tell us how the main movie is 'selected' to be played/extracted.

I'm finding a different behaviour in Hybrid. As I said I'm encoding Alien movie. Hybrid extracts the temporal audio tracks and convert them to the TEMP path. But it extracted the .264 video file to OUTPUT path... and I ran out of space...:(
Hybrid used to extract all temporal files to TEMP path, and just muxed final file was sent to OUTPUT path. Did you change it?, or is it just the video stream demuxed by TXmuxer?. I find it makes sense it was also demuxed to TEMP path.
:)

[digitall.h]

Thank you MusicFan for your feed back.
Yes, I also authored DVDs with DVDlab Pro, very nice program.
And I believe this is also normal behaviour in BD.
But some BD are authored different way, and main movie is splitted in several small streams, that Hybrid cannot discover what combination of these small streams combined are the main movie.
The question is, in this BD that split the main movie in several small streams, how does a software BD player select the streams and in which sequence to play the main movie.
Alien is a movie of this kind. When loaded in Hybrid it shows above hundred small files, some of seconds of length, and not a single stream with the whole movie.
I'm sure selur can explain this better than me.

[Selur]

1. Where Hybrid extracts stuff depends on your settings, haven't changed anything there for ages. :)
2. about the hundred small files, you can let Hybrid filter them out :) there are a bunch off options for this under Config->Input->M2ts/Mpls Settings->Ingnore playlists with .....

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About the main movie thing: Sorry, but the info how you can create DVDs doesn't help me to select the main movie (not for DVD and not for Blu-ray).
I need some more precise info on how to find the main movie. :)

Cu Selur

[digitall.h]

1. Where Hybrid extracts stuff depends on your settings, haven't changed anything there for ages. :)

I maybe did not explain it well. Audio streams, temporal and encoded ones, are stored in TEMP path. When encoding from DVD, temporal video streams are stored in TEMP path. But when encoding from DVD, the video stream demuxed by TSmuxer was stored in OUTPUT path.
I don't know if this is the expected behaviour, or if I can change the path for TSmuxer output, but I don't find it logic that a temporal file (this is what the video stream demuxed from BD is) is stored in the OUTPUT path. I hope I explained it better now.
:)

2. about the hundred small files, you can let Hybrid filter them out :) there are a bunch off options for this under Config->Input->M2ts/Mpls Settings->Ingnore playlists with .....

Yes, I know. But in this case (Alien), I would lose some small playlists that make part of the main movie. It would not help.
Let's wait somebody can give us a way to find the main movie between the playlists in movies like Alien.
:)

[Selur]

But when encoding from DVD, the video stream demuxed by TSmuxer was stored in OUTPUT path.
This does not make sense. While reencoding stuff from a DVD tsMuxeR should not be called at all. :D

I would lose some small playlists that make part of the main movie.
A movie should only consist of one playlist, not multiple.

the content of a mpls file is extracted by a rather simple function:
QStringList HFileInfoCollector::getPlaylistItems()
{
sendMessage(HDEBUG, "getPlaylistItems of", m_currentPlaylist);
QFile file(m_currentPlaylist);
file.open(QIODevice::ReadOnly);
QByteArray mplsContent = file.readAll();
QByteArray endPattern;
endPattern.resize(4);
endPattern[0] = 0x4D;
endPattern[1] = 0x32;
endPattern[2] = 0x54;
endPattern[3] = 0x53;
int index = mplsContent.indexOf(endPattern) - 5;
QStringList items;
QString item;
while (index > -1) {
mplsContent = mplsContent.remove(0, index); //remove everything before the name
item = QString(mplsContent.mid(0, 5)); //grab name
if (!items.contains(item)) {
items << item;
}
mplsContent = mplsContent.remove(0, 9); //remove all including the pattern
index = mplsContent.indexOf(endPattern) - 5;
}
file.close();
return items;
}

Cu Selur

[Music Fan]

But some BD are authored different way, and main movie is splitted in several small streams, that Hybrid cannot discover what combination of these small streams combined are the main movie.
This shouldn't be a problem, its l'ike VOB's on dvd's, there are linked by ifo files.

[Music Fan]

About the main movie thing: Sorry, but the info how you can create DVDs doesn't help me to select the main movie (not for DVD and not for Blu-ray).
I need some more precise info on how to find the main movie. :)
I guess you answer my message : in case I was not clear, you can't know which title is the movie.
The only way to know it is to play mts (or vob) files and see what they contain.

[Selur]

This is a problem since I don't know how to properly parse the files. (but I realized that the parsing Hybrid does on mpls file is flawed :))

[digitall.h]

This does not make sense. While reencoding stuff from a DVD tsMuxeR should not be called at all. :D

Of course, you're right, it's a typo. It should read:
But when encoding from BD, the video stream demuxed by TSmuxer was stored in OUTPUT path.
And this is what really happens. I find it strange, the demuxed video stream is a temporal file and should be in TEMP path and not OUTPUT path, don't you agree?.

Related to playlists, in the case of Alien it's got a lot of mpls files. It's probably an error on authoring, or made on purpose to avoid copying it.
I don't know if playlists and mpls are synonyms.
:rolleyes:

[Selur]

don't you agree?.
yes I do agree :)

I don't know if playlists and mpls are synonyms.
I hope so

[Music Fan]

Related to playlists, in the case of Alien it's got a lot of mpls files. It's probably an error on authoring, or made on purpose to avoid copying it.
I don't know if playlists and mpls are synonyms.
I didn't follow the whole discussion so I don't know exactly what you wanna do but if you just wanna re-encode the movie, why don't you just export it alone in a folder (for example with BDRebuilder) and then open it in Hybrid ?
With only one title, there won't be playlist problems anymore.

[digitall.h]

@MusicFan
I did not test the BDRebuilder way. In Windows XP I managed to extract the main movie with DVDFab HD Decrypter.
But my OS is Linux Mint KDE13, and I'd rather use native solutions and avoid dual booting.
And adding this functionality to Hybrid would improve it. Hybrid already loads playlist and gives you the chance to select the mpls corresponding to main movie.
The problem is when main movie is splitted in several mpls. Players can select the correct mpls and concatenate them to play main movie. Knowing the way could make it possible to to Hybrid to have also this ability.
:)

[Selur]

Hybrid rev. 2013.01.27.1

*changed*

avisynth: extended avsViewer to show histogram
cosmetics: hide queue text as when queue is not empty
cosmetics: replace dropDown with menu on mac
input: rewrote the .mpls parsing code

*added*

subs: support to use BDSup2Sub.jar instead of bdsup2sub++
note: Hybrid does not check for Java, it's your responsibility to make sure 'java -jar BDSup2Sub.jar' can be called from the terminal/console

*fixed*

subs: convert .sup to .idx/.sub output check
subs: problem when extracting subtitles from .mpls which spanned over multiple .m2ts files
cosmetics: queue texts hindered misc.ini font size adjustments
input: loading a normal source after a raw video source
tags: tagging of audio streams from external source
x264: save qt file not as flagged UTF-8 file


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur

Ps.: will be offline for the next 36hrs

PPs.: The problem is when main movie is splitted in several mpls.
I strongly doubt that. All Alien Blu-rays I every saw all had one mpls file which included a lot of m2ts files, but none of them had the main movie splitted over multiple mpls files. (I doubt that is even allowed for Blu-rays.)

[digitall.h]

Good!, we have a new and improved version


(...)
PPs.:
I strongly doubt that.(...)


Let me show you the mpls list for Alien:
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/3263/mplsselector.png

And when I select main movie in DVDFab, the mpls list was:
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/4315/mplsselector2.png
In previous Hybrid version.
In this last version it doesn't load a mpls list, because it's an mpls pointing to several small m2ts
:(

[Sorry for the size of the images. I had to crop the first one because it was Big, but believe me it's got +160 mpls with sizes between few seconds a few minutes...]

[Selur]

Let me show you the mpls list for Alien:
that doesn't mean you movie is split over all these mpls files, that just means you PLAYLIST folder contains a lot of dummy mpls files. :)

And when I select main movie in DVDFab, the mpls list was:
Like I wrote you via email: according to the debug output of the 'main movie in DVDFab'.
Hybrid only found one mpls in the playlist folder (or you only feed it this one), it analysed the mpls and identified it as fake: indicating a general length of 1h 56mn but not containing a single clip with that length.
That is why Hybrid doesn't process that mpls.

-> use the new version on a 1:1 rip (not some 'main movie' stuff where Fab seems to produce a wrong mpls file), if Hybrid still shows you such a long list, set the filtering settings more restrictive.
e.g. set Config->Input->M2ts/Mpls Settings->Ignore playlists with Length below (min) 50, that should throw out most of the unwanted mpls files.

[digitall.h]

(...)that just means you PLAYLIST folder contains a lot of dummy mpls files.
I probably don't understand it well. You mean that the mpls list is so long because there are a lot of dummy mpls.
But in this case in the middle of this long dummy list there should be a mpls containing the main movie, with a length of 1:56:00, isn't it?. Well, as I said before all mpls are sized between few seconds and few minutes, where is the mpls of the main movie?.
(...)Hybrid only found one mpls in the playlist folder (or you only feed it this one), it analysed the mpls and identified it as fake: indicating a general length of 1h 56mn but not containing a single clip with that length.
That is why Hybrid doesn't process that mpls.
The mpls is not fake, in the sense that when you play this single mpls it plays a sequence of streams/clips that in conjunction are the main movie. When I loaded this mpls in previous Hybrid stable version I managed to encode the main movie...
Is mpls supposed to point to a single stream/clip?, or to several streams/clips that altogether conform the movie?.
-> use the new version on a 1:1 rip(...)
DVDFab worked, even Hybrid does not interpret the mpls it generates.
And the result of a 1:1 rip is the mpls list I posted a capture in my previous post... I will try setting filtering more restrictive and post, but I insist there's no single mpls 1:56:00 long.
:)

[Selur]

You mean that the mpls list is so long because there are a lot of dummy mpls.
Yes.

But in this case in the middle of this long dummy list there should be a mpls containing the main movie, with a length of 1:56:00, isn't it?.
if that is the length of the movie, yes.

Well, as I said before all mpls are sized between few seconds and few minutes, where is the mpls of the main movie?.
zip all the mpls files (from the 1:1 rip) and send them to me via email and I will look at them.

Is mpls supposed to point to a single stream/clip?, or to several streams/clips that altogether conform the movie?.
Both can be valid.

And the result of a 1:1 rip is the mpls list I posted a capture in my previous post... I will try setting filtering more restrictive and post, but I insist there's no single mpls 1:56:00 long.
send me the unmodified mpls files and I will look at them

[digitall.h]

selur, I tried to load the 1:1 BD rip in Hybrid 2013.01.27.2 selecting 'Only longest video setting' in Comfig/Input menu, with similar result (long mpls list) and afterwards when I selected 'Ignore playtists with: Length below (min):' and introduced 30 minutes, it did not show any mpls in playlist...
:(


Is mpls supposed to point to a single stream/clip?, or to several streams/clips that altogether conform the movie?.

Both can be valid.

I don't understand then why Hybrid doesn't accept the DVDFab rip with a single mpls that points to several short clips that altogether are the main movie...
:)

I send you the zip file.
:thanks:

[Selur]

I don't understand then why Hybrid doesn't accept the DVDFab rip with a single mpls that points to several short clips that altogether are the main movie...
I explained that already in an email where you asked this. :)
Hybrid ignored that mpls because:
MediaInfo reports:
Complete name : /media/INTERCAMBIO/TMP/HybridTempPLAYLIST/00000.mpls
Format : Blu-ray Playlist
File size : 5.43 KiB
Duration : 1h 56mn
Overall bit rate : 6 bps
but none of the streams that follow has a length of 1h 56mn. The stream listed there are not concatenated but parallel inside a m2ts container and are therefore the maximal playback time of all these streams would be the length of the longest stream, since none of the stream is 1h 56mn Hybrid identifies the stream as fake.

Cu Selur

[digitall.h]

(...)but none of the streams that follow has a length of 1h 56mn(...)
Yes, you absolutely explained me that.
;)

(...)The stream listed there are not concatenated but parallel inside a m2ts container and are therefore the maximal playback time of all these streams would be the length of the longest stream, since none of the stream is 1h 56mn Hybrid identifies the stream as fake.
But I did not know this.
I suppose that streams in mpls are parallel and not concatenated because this is the specification for this mpls file, isn't it?.
Since my feeling is that DVDFab mpls points to several m2ts that concatenated are the main movie...
:confused:

[Selur]

Since my feeling is that DVDFab mpls points to several m2ts that concatenated are the main movie...
Sorry, can't follow you there. From what I know a movie can't consist of multiple mpls, if you can show me a specification that says otherwise please do.

[Selur]

Checked all the mpls you send and none of them has a single video stream with a length of 1h 55mn or 1h 56mn.
so there are three possibilities:
a. MediaInfo is making a mistake
b. DVD FAB made a mistake
c. I don't understand the the content of mpls files

Cu Selur

[digitall.h]

I probably did not explain it well. I'm not trying to say that :).
I was the one asking (because I don't know the answer) if parallel is in mpls specification.

DVDFab output has got a single mpls.
And looking at it in kate (text editor) I see the numbers of the m2ts' in the STREAM BD folder. That's the reason I think that DVDFab single mpls points to several concatenated m2ts'.

[digitall.h]

Sorry, I saw now your a.b.c. answer.

I would say most probably c. is wrong ;).

Related to b., it maybe true.
I don't know if DVDFab made a mistake.
But the single mpls/main movie generated by DVDFab plays well in software (SMPlayer and VLC) players.:confused:

[Selur]

A mpls containe multiple pointers to m2ts files that get concatenated.
afaik MediaInfo outputs all the infos that belong to a file. -> the video stream MediaInfo posts should belong to one mpls.
-> also did you try to sum up the length of the video streams mentioned? (I did for one stream and they didn't add up to the length mentioned in the General section)
=> try calling:
MediaInfo "Path to the Playlist folder" > analyse.txt
and send me the output

Cu Selur

[Selur]

-> found the cause of the problem :) The output of MediaInfo has changed regarding mpls. If you use MediaInfo 0.7.58 instead of the current one Hybrid will probably handle the mpls files better. :)

[digitall.h]

Aaarrrgggghhhh,
I was already pulling my hair! I was feeling so frustrated I was not able to inform correctly about the problem...

Selur, you found out the cause of the problem is a change in MediaInfo output.
But is this causing the problem that makes Hybrid/MediaInfo refuse DVDFab single mpls?,
And/Or is this causing that Hybrid/MediaInfo does not detect the Main movie in 1:1 Alien rip?

I have MediaInfo 0.7.61 installed from repository. It's difficult to revert it to a previous version, just compiling it.
And I'd rather not substitute MediaInfo with a previous version...:(

[Selur]

But is this causing the problem that makes Hybrid/MediaInfo refuse DVDFab single mpls?
if the single mpls links to multiple m2ts files: Yes

And/Or is this causing that Hybrid/MediaInfo does not detect the Main movie in 1:1 Alien rip?
Hybrid does not know how to detect a main movie.

And I'd rather not substitute MediaInfo with a previous version...
Than you can either:
a. use MakeMKV to create a mkv file of the Blu-ray
or
b. wait till I have figure out how to handle the changed MediaInfo output
or
c. use another tool

[digitall.h]

Definitely b. is the answer to go.
;)

[Music Fan]

For the first time I tried to open an avs script (I used to use Hybrid only for mkv chaptering) and there was a problem : "no framerate, stream will be ignored" or something like that.
I can open this script without problem in Virtual Dub.
It's an mp4 file opened with ffvideosource.

[Selur]

a. Which Avisynth do you use?
b. Which Hybrid version do you use?
c. What does the avisynth script look like?

---
created a file with:
FFVideoSource("H:\TestClips&Co\test.mp4")
and I can open it in Hybrid and Virtual Dub without a problem.
(version() shows 'Avisynth 2.60, build:August 2012 [18:17:07]' for me in Virtual Dub and Hybrid)

[Music Fan]

a) 2.5
b) last, 130127
c) like yours

[Selur]

-> try using Avisynth 2.6 instead. :)

[Music Fan]

Ok, do you know if 2.6 alpha 4 is good ;
http://sourceforge.net/projects/avisynth2/files/AviSynth_Alpha_Releases/AVS%202.6.0%20Alpha%204%20%5B130114%5D/
from ;
http://sourceforge.net/projects/avisynth2/files/AviSynth_Alpha_Releases/

[Selur]

Should be fine. :)

Cu Selur

[Selur]

Hybrid rev 2013.02.11.0:

*fixed*

chapters: on multiInput chapters were not updated properly on job queue creation
cosmetics: disable subtitle tab if video handling is set to 'ignore'
cosmetics: removed "convertSubtitleQueueforMP4..."-popup I accidently left
missing ',' on ffmpeg decoder/filter call
muxing: 'audio only'-muxing to mkv container crashed
output: mkv typo 'no_cue_relative_positions' -> 'no_cue_relative_position'
subs: problem with subtitle modify option

*changed*

analyse: make sure mkvinfo is called with --ui-language en/en_US
cosmetics: renamed "VP8"-tab to "VP8/9"
cosmetics: adjust button icon sizes on fontSize change
input: added .m2t as tsMuxeR and DGDecNV compatible container
input: mediaInfo video length output when parsing mpls files will be ignored now
preview: always more upper left corner of the preview Window to 0x0
preview: if preview window size would be larger than the desktop resolution the preview window size gets halved

*added*

avisynth: added 'BlindDeHalo3_MT', see: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=622289
encoder: rudimentary vp9 support (simply replace '--codec=vp8' with '--codec=vp9'); be warned that a. vp9 is slow and b.vp9 is experimental in it's current stage
input: option to pre-select the useable .mpls-files through ffmpeg if ffmpeg is compiled with libbluray support
telxcc support to allow Teletext to .srt extraction/conversion on transport stream input
x264: option to import 'Encoding settings' from current input, if input was encoded with x264 and an 'encoding settings' entry.


-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

Cu Selur


Ps.: I would recommend to reset your defaults.

[DJ-1]

after resetting defaults, this mean any global data profiles I've all ready got saved are not gonna work or unpredictable?

Sent from my Galaxy S II using tapatalk

[Selur]

Normally everything should work fine even if you don't reset the profiles, since I try to keep changes to old profiles as compatible as possible.
(I suspect problems might occur with some of the Avisynth settings.)

Best thing probably is to:

load your global profile
do a quick check if everything is fine (if the gui displays you setting it should be fine)
save the profile again (this way parameter name changes will be saved in the updated profile)


Cu Selur

[Music Fan]

-> try using Avisynth 2.6 instead. :)
Installed, but I have a problem with it which I didn't have with 2.5.8 (not related to Hybrid actually, but you will maybe know this issue) :
when I open it in Virtual Dub, I get this message ;
Script error : there is no function named "FFVideoSource"
even when I load plugin ;
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.6\plugins\ffms2.dll")
FFVideoSource("L:\my file.mp4")
And of course, the 3 files (avsi, dll et exe) are well in the plugin folder.:confused:
I have no problem with avisource (and an avi file of course).

[Selur]

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.6\plugins\ffms2.dll")
used to a 64bit environment I'm used to see 'Program Files (x86)\AviSynth 2.6' as avisynth plugin path
-> you did install the 32bit version of Avisynth 2.6, right? (otherwise you need to use a 64bit version of ffms2.dll and avsInfo)
if you use 32bit Avisynth (which I would recommend): you can try the ffms2.dll (&co files) from Hybrids avisynthExtension, may be you ffms2.dll got corrupeted in some way,..
(I guess that if you used a c-plugin version of ffms2.dll Avisynth would have complained)

[Music Fan]

(I guess that if you used a c-plugin version of ffms2.dll Avisynth would have complained)
No, that was the problem, it works with 2.17 (not cplugin version) ;
http://code.google.com/p/ffmpegsource/downloads/detail?name=ffms-2.17.7z&can=2&q=
Thanks ! :)

I had taken cplugin version because I saw AVS, I believed that's what I needed for avisynth.:o
Actually, if I understand what's written on this page, it should work ;
http://code.google.com/p/ffmpegsource/downloads/detail?name=ffms-2.17-cplugin.7z&can=2&q=
Primary use of the cplugin version is for those who want access to the extra colorspaces provided in Avisynth 2.6 (it is backward compatible with 2.5).
:confused:

if you use 32bit Avisynth (which I would recommend): you can try the ffms2.dll (&co files) from Hybrids avisynthExtension
What/where is it ?

[Music Fan]

By the way, your website has a problem :
The requested page "/sites/default/files/hybrid_downloads/Hybrid_32bit_130210.7z" could not be found.
Same message with other versions (except the Windows Installer which is available).

[Selur]

By the way, your website has a problem :
-> fixed a minute ago, should be fine now

What/where is it ?
it's mentioned in the installer and there's a download for it on the download page, simply extract it to your Hybrid folder and Hybrid will be able to create Avisynth scripts through Filtering->Avisynth.

You can use the C-Plugin Version, but than you need to call it with 'LoadCPlugin' instead of 'LoadPlugin'

[Music Fan]

fixed a minute ago, should be fine now
It is, thanks for all responses ;)

[Selur]

btw. Hybrid has some 'hidden' (http://forum.selur.de/topic33-hidden-hybrid-options.html) option which might also be interesting,...

[Music Fan]

There are already many shown options, I'm nearly lost :eek::D
I discover now the last version (many things added since the one year old version I used until a few days ago), especially the x264 tab which I never used ; is there anything to set for an AVCHD (or Blu-ray) encoding, except the default bitrate of course ?
With MeGui, I used to choose Blu-ray profile.

[Selur]

is there anything to set for an AVCHD (or Blu-ray) encoding, except the default bitrate of course ?
x264->Main->Restriction Settings->Hardware->Blu-ray is the main thing,..(enables --bluray-compat)

[Music Fan]

Thanks, I saved this setting in a new profile.
I wonder if my Oppo player will have the same problem than with the encodings I did with MeGui : not playable (or with many pixelization) in multimedia mode (mkv files) but playable when in an AVCHD structure.:confused:
I asked them why the player had this behavior, they answered the decoder didn't work the same way when playing files than when playing AVCHD/Blu-ray structure.
I don't have this problem on a Sony player.

I have a little problem in the main window : after loading the avs script (and choosing x264 for video and passthrough all for audio), I clicked on preview ; a window appeared but disappeared after 1 or 2 seconds.

[Selur]

That normally means something is wrong with the script,... not enough infos to say more,...