DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta) Bug Reports

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
1. DVD-R Version: 0.45
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.0.27
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.81)
4. Bug encountered: THE HAUNTED MANSION 16:9 NTSC, Half-D1 and Half Space on extras : During the rebuild phase, I got a runtime error 9 subscript out of range. This movie has 13 VTS, It seems to do the error in the last VTS, but the process status bar is showing 75% which is not making sense because this last VTS is very small it should be at least at 95% :confused: .....I don't know if this info can help

@jdobbs : if you need more info, let me know.... The bar gets updated when a cell is completed. So the failure probably occurred on the next to last segment.

[Harm]

Originally posted by jdobbs
If you don't want to use CCE Basic as your encoder you have to select something else under the "mode" menu. If you are using eclCCE you must first run it in standalone mode and point it to your CCE executable. Then you point the CCE path to eclCCE.exe/
I do want to use CCE but not the Basic version but the SP version!
Although you offer the option to select CCE SP versions on the CCE options still CCE Basic gets executed! Surely this is not what is supposed to happen!
To recap: I check CCE in the Mode options and CCE SP in the CCE options in the Options menu.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Harm
I do want to use CCE but not the Basic version but the SP version!
Although you offer the option to select CCE SP versions on the CCE options still CCE Basic gets executed! Surely this is not what is supposed to happen!
To recap: I check CCE in the Mode options and CCE SP in the CCE options in the Options menu. That just means you must have pointed the others to the wrong place in the SETUP.

[Harm]

Originally posted by jdobbs
That just means you must have pointed the others to the wrong place in the SETUP.
I think I don't make myself clear......
I have selected CCE in the Mode menu and CCE SP 2.66+ in the CCE Options menu.
When I try to encode with these options and the path for CCE Basic in the Setup menu is empty I get the error stated.
If I put some exe in there and specify the right exe for CCE SP 2.66+ in its own path still the exe out of the CCE Basic path gets executed!
So whatever you choose in the CCE Options menu CCE Basic gets executed!

[Joergen]

Originally posted by Harm
So whatever you choose in the CCE Options menu CCE Basic gets executed!

You need to rerun the PREPARE stage in order to overwrite the old settings.. or?

[lab-one]

...or since this is a problem that know one else is having, remove all DVD-RB files and the D2VAVS folder, reinstall DVD-RB and set it up correctly with the version of CCE you intend on using. If you have to use ECLCCE delete the exe and files associated also and run it again to point it at the correct cce.exe.

Then, start the back-up from scratch.

[insanescape]

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
Try to increase the bitrate for the cells under 1000bps (In general, I put 1500bps), then reencode them ...Then rebuild. It always worked for me.

Where exactly do I do that? it says an average in the ecl file, but it's well over 2kbps. If there's individual cell things I'm missing I'm not aware where to look.

[Harm]

Originally posted by Joergen
You need to rerun the PREPARE stage in order to overwrite the old settings.. or?
You are right Joergen! The help file doesn't tell me that!

Is this what is meant to happen JDobbs? When I select CCE and CCE Basic when I run the preparation I also have to select this on the Encode? If so it would be better not to let the user change the CCE options after the preparation phase. If not then definitely something is wrong......
anyway I got it running.....

And BTW JDobbs should the ECL phase be just 1 pass? (when creating the M2V files).

On with further experimenting...... :D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Harm
You are right Joergen! The help file doesn't tell me that!

Is this what is meant to happen JDobbs? When I select CCE and CCE Basic when I run the preparation I also have to select this on the Encode? If so it would be better not to let the user change the CCE options after the preparation phase. If not then definitely something is wrong......
anyway I got it running.....

And BTW JDobbs should the ECL phase be just 1 pass? (when creating the M2V files).

On with further experimenting...... :D You have to complete a job with the same choices you started... As for locking out changes, let me think about that.

[Harm]

Thanks for the answers JDobbs.....
but how about the ECL passes?
In expert options there is 2 passes specified.
When ECL starts it does 1/1 passes (VAF and M2V creation I guess) but after that it starts with the next segment. Shouldn't there be an encode in there or does that happen when rebuilding?

[Joergen]

.VAF is information gathered from the video and then it writes the .M2V = Final encode of that segment.

[smlong426]

I know this was discussed earlier in this thread, but is there a problem with the TargetSectors=xxx and CCETargetSectors=xxx?

I have encoded a movie twice with different values for the number of sectors, and the rebuilt movie always comes out to be the same size.

Here is a snip from my rebuilder.ini. I tried 2280000 at first, but then tried what is listed below. I am using RB 0.46.

[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
CCETargetSectors=2300000
[Options]
CCE=1
LoadPlugin=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
TargetSectors=2300000
HalfExtras=1

[wmansir]

I added a new "hidden settings" post to the settings guide.

1. TargetSectors= is not used anymore, even though the readme says it is (the readme also says it was 'removed', so it's not all wrong :) )

2. All *Sectors= settings must be placed in the [Options] section, otherwise they are ignored.

[Djuby]

I am still fuzzy on the Half-D1 And Half Space for extras feature. When I use it the log shows that I have 25.2% in favor of the main movie, but for some reason that extra space is not allocated. The Extras were encoded with Half-D1 and Half Space. Am I supposed to go and manually increase the avarage bit rate in the ecl file for all the cells of the main movie?

Djuby

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Djuby
I am still fuzzy on the Half-D1 And Half Space for extras feature. When I use it the log shows that I have 25.2% in favor of the main movie, but for some reason that extra space is not allocated. The Extras were encoded with Half-D1 and Half Space. Am I supposed to go and manually increase the avarage bit rate in the ecl file for all the cells of the main movie?

Djuby It is allocated to the movie proportionally to the amount of space determined in the "dynamically assigned cell bitrates".

[Djuby]

jdobbs,

Take a look at this:
-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 10:23:56
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 1,987,540 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 139,391 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 1,937,422 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 119,552 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 55.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,052Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by 25.8%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 3,763/1,000/3,052 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 9 minutes.
-----------------

VTS_03 are the extras.

DVD-RB v0.45 with CCE SP 2.67.00.23.
Average bit rate did not change from what I had when Half-D1 was disabled. After completing the backup the final result was 3.86 GB. Any ideas? Thank you in advance.

Djuby

[jdobbs]

Interesting. Thanks for the data, I'll check into it...

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Djuby
jdobbs,

Take a look at this:
-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 10:23:56
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 1,987,540 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 139,391 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 1,937,422 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 119,552 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 55.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,052Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by 25.8%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 3,763/1,000/3,052 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 9 minutes.
-----------------

VTS_03 are the extras.

DVD-RB v0.45 with CCE SP 2.67.00.23.
Average bit rate did not change from what I had when Half-D1 was disabled. After completing the backup the final result was 3.86 GB. Any ideas? Thank you in advance.

Djuby I don't believe you have dynamic bitrate checked. I just found a bug in which -> if you check the half-d1 option, and then uncheck the dynamic bitrate box, it will incorrectly print out as you show above... The 1/2-1/2 function is meant to only work when dynamic bitrate is enabled... -- it also is the reason you've come out short, because the extra space is recovered -- but never reallocated to the movie.

I will put a fix into 0.47 in which 1/2-1/2 is automatically unchecked whenever dynamic allocation is unchecked to avoid this confusion and incorrect sizing.

[Djuby]

jdobbs,

I don't believe you have dynamic bitrate checked. I just found a bug in which -> if you check the half-d1 option, and then uncheck the dynamic bitrate box, it will incorrectly print out as you show above... The 1/2-1/2 function is meant to only work when dynamic bitrate is enabled... -- it also is the reason you've come out short, because the extra space is recovered -- but never reallocated to the movie.

I just double checked if I have Dynamic Bitrate checked ... and it was. Anyway, thanks for the quick response, and I'll wait for the fix. Thank you in advance.

Djuby

[Harm]

Originally posted by Joergen
.VAF is information gathered from the video and then it writes the .M2V = Final encode of that segment.
But what's the use in specifying the number of passes then?
If you run ECL by hand it normally passes the specified number of times and from run 2 onwards the VAF is updated..... or not?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Djuby
jdobbs,



I just double checked if I have Dynamic Bitrate checked ... and it was. Anyway, thanks for the quick response, and I'll wait for the fix. Thank you in advance.

Djuby FYI. I finally found what this was, and it wasn't what I said above. I went back and checked that code and it was actually working correctly. But in the process I found the real bug... it was also what caused some strange status output (negative high bitrate) that RB (I think) reported a while back...

You'll see the fix in 0.47.

[sup191]

I posted this in the other bug report thread, but this one seems to get more play. :)

DVD-RB Version: 0.45 and 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23 and .29
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
DVD: Fletch Lives NTSC R1

I have an audio sync problem on just chapter 11 of this DVD. All the other chapters are flawless. I noticed the problem when using InterVideo WinDVD 5 (newest updated version), and am playing the movie off my hard drive. When I play chapter 11 from the original directory that I dumped it to, it plays perfectly. Any clues?

I haven't touched the directory after running the one click, so if you need any info from there, let me know.

I also have tried .30 with the above settings and still get audio sync problems with chapter 11. I've done about 20 other backups and none of them have had this problem.

[deh707]

when you guys play your dvd-r backup on your dvdplayer (standalone), are the subtitles on by default? i have to manually turn them off after i hit "play movie" on matrix revolutions. both my standalone and xbox display the subtitles by default. powerdvd on my pc doesn't.

using:

cce sp 2.50
dvd-rb .46

burned video_ts folder using:
stomp recordnow max OR nero burning rom

[sup191]

Originally posted by deh707
when you guys play your dvd-r backup on your dvdplayer (standalone), are the subtitles on by default? i have to manually turn them off after i hit "play movie" on matrix revolutions. both my standalone and xbox display the subtitles by default. powerdvd on my pc doesn't.


I have never had this problem, and I've done around 20 backups /w subtitles. Are you having problems with just Matrix Revolutions, or other titles also? I'm assuming you're using DVD-RB to rip the DVD directly from your drive?

[insanescape]

No problem with matrix revos here, I just did it last week.

[nwg]

Originally posted by deh707
when you guys play your dvd-r backup on your dvdplayer (standalone), are the subtitles on by default? i have to manually turn them off after i hit "play movie" on matrix revolutions. both my standalone and xbox display the subtitles by default. powerdvd on my pc doesn't.


The reason why PowerDVD doesn't is that the subs need to be turned on first.

I don't have the problem with my DVD players, but this problem is common with other software. I have had it with DVD2One and DVD Shrink. The author of DVD Shrink has solved the problem by using a hide subpicture command. This is similar to the ifoedit method I used.

It can happen when the PUO's are taken off, as there is a PUO that hides the subtitles on default.

[Turambar]

Originally posted by deh707
when you guys play your dvd-r backup on your dvdplayer (standalone), are the subtitles on by default? i have to manually turn them off after i hit "play movie" on matrix revolutions. both my standalone and xbox display the subtitles by default. powerdvd on my pc doesn't.

using:

cce sp 2.50
dvd-rb .46

burned video_ts folder using:
stomp recordnow max OR nero burning rom

Yep, I get exactly the same behavior --- "Master and Commander", "Avalon", "Timeline", to name a few. Standalone player is a Gateway dvd recorder, but I've also noticed it on my old Apex 1100W.
Also using cce sp 2.50 & dvd-rb 0.46:confused:

[jdobbs]

I don't get that problem at all on any of my three players.

[quantum]

This could be the result of setting DVD Decrypter to remove PUO's.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quantum
This could be the result of setting DVD Decrypter to remove PUO's. Very good observation. Because I don't. It's always been my rule to leave the backup as closely matched to the original as possible -- less problems all around. Sometimes we tend to get so clever that we suffer self-inflicted wounds.

I'm not saying that is the case here -- but it often is.

[DocDragon]

Originally posted by quantum
This could be the result of setting DVD Decrypter to remove PUO's.

hmm, that's a good point. i didn't encounter anymore problems since v0.45 (unless using half-d1 -> jdobbs, you opened pandorra's box :D). i always have "remove PUOs" UNchecked to keep everything as original as possible. but isn't that just an "on/off" switch that dvd-players should understand (question for the expert ;))?

DD

[wmansir]

I'm encountering a few odd bugs with the DVD-RB. For one thing DVD-RB doesn't respond to the switching of CCE versions on the menu. It launched the original version set. I was also getting the Windows Logoff/Shutdown/Restart window when aborting the encode, thought that could somehow be related to the other error. I think perhaps the settings were getting messed up and Shutdown when finished was activated, even though it wasn't technically finished, and that option wasn't enabled, and shouldn't be activated in 3-click mode anyway.

I think perhaps it might be due to having an .ini file full of junk from previous versions. Or does DVD-RB lock into a CCE version after the prepare stage? I deleted the .ini file and am running another job (it lauched the right version this time), but I won't be able to test it out any more until morning.

PS. Would it be possible to move the "shutdown" feature to a place where you can toogle it when in the middle of a 1-click job? As of now it is on the MODE menu and that get's locked down.

[RB]

Originally posted by quantum
This could be the result of setting DVD Decrypter to remove PUO's.
I highly doubt that. PUOs really only prohibit user operations. That is, although the DVD author may set a subpicture stream change PUO on the PGC, he can still switch subpicture streams "internally" using SetSTN PGC pre/post commands. IOW, IMHO it's virtually impossible for a removed PUO to cause a subpic stream to be switched on automatically. My guess is that it is maybe just another symptom of the "empty subpic sync table in NAVPACKs issue". For some SA players it causes subs to not work at all, maybe for others it's just the opposite? :cool: At least, the issue again occurs only in standalones.

Originally posted by jdobbs
Very good observation. Because I don't.
Not in the IFOs, but you said that you remove PUOs in the VOB NAVPACKs, right? I made a comment on that earlier, maybe you could have a look at it again :). See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=464370#post464370

[ermannob]

Hi,
I told DVDRebuilder to deinterlace the stuff with Decomb, but it didn't do that.
Maybe I used wrong configuration?
Here's what I did:
-paths are correctly set
-in menu options -> AVS options -> Advanced (Expert) Options, I selected "Deinterlace with Decomb".
-I didn't select "disable interlace".

So AVS scripts don't contain any link to Decomb filter, just "field deinterlace".
DVD2AVI tells me that video is interlaced.

Did I something wrong?

Using DVDRB 0.46 (with "half D1 for extras" option)
CCE SP 2.67
eclCCE

[sup191]

DVD-RB Version: 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
DVD: Thin Red Line NTSC R1

I'm having the exact same audio sync problem I did for Fletch Lives, only this time it's just chapter 1. Audio is off by about 1/4 of a second. Somebody mentioned it earlier, but is it possible that my .ini file is full of junk from previous builds and needs to be deleted? I haven't had any audio sync before the last two movies.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
I'm encountering a few odd bugs with the DVD-RB. For one thing DVD-RB doesn't respond to the switching of CCE versions on the menu. It launched the original version set. I was also getting the Windows Logoff/Shutdown/Restart window when aborting the encode, thought that could somehow be related to the other error. I think perhaps the settings were getting messed up and Shutdown when finished was activated, even though it wasn't technically finished, and that option wasn't enabled, and shouldn't be activated in 3-click mode anyway.

I think perhaps it might be due to having an .ini file full of junk from previous versions. Or does DVD-RB lock into a CCE version after the prepare stage? I deleted the .ini file and am running another job (it lauched the right version this time), but I won't be able to test it out any more until morning.

PS. Would it be possible to move the "shutdown" feature to a place where you can toogle it when in the middle of a 1-click job? As of now it is on the MODE menu and that get's locked down. DVD-RB is locked into a CCE version after the prepare stage. If you follow back through the versions you'll see that the ECL format keeps changing. So I have to build the ECL specifically for the version that was selected...

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
Not in the IFOs, but you said that you remove PUOs in the VOB NAVPACKs, right? I made a comment on that earlier, maybe you could have a look at it again :). See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=464370#post464370 Correct. I should have been more specific.

[bloody1]

I've been trying to convert several of my movies from letterboxed 4:3 to 16:9 using your program. It worked great on the Planet of the Apes series ( fantastic on my 55 inch Widescreen). But I'm having problems with Dawn of the Dead and One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest.
With those movies, the picture will have lines in it during a transition from one scene to another. It doesn't happen often but it is noticeable and only happens during a scene transition. During regular play it appears as a quick blur, but when slowed down or paused you can see the lines of one scene mixing with the coming scene ( I hope I'm describing it correctly).
Any idea what is causing this or is it me???????

I'm using ReBuilder 0.45 with CCE 2.5

[wmansir]

@boody1

It sounds like an interlaced frame is being resized improperly. This was mostly fixed with v0.45 Modified the 4:3->16:9 output for interlaced sources so fields are separated prior to resizing and weaved back together after resizing. It should make for a more accurate representation of the source material.

I think that a large part of your movie must be progressive, so it is being treated as progressive, but a few interlaced frames are present.

[RB]

Originally posted by RB
Not in the IFOs, but you said that you remove PUOs in the VOB NAVPACKs, right? I made a comment on that earlier, maybe you could have a look at it again :). See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=464370#post464370
Originally posted by jdobbs
Correct. I should have been more specific.
Actually, in that post I made the suggestion to better keep the PUOs in the VOBs as they are for several reasons. Maybe you want to read it and think about whether I'm making sense :)

[borgraf]

Originally posted by bloody1
I've been trying to convert several of my movies from letterboxed 4:3 to 16:9 [snip]
OT: What's your experience with subtitles when doing the 4:3 -> 16:9 conversions? My attempts so far, on 3 different sources, have all resulted in only the first subtitle working.

[bloody1]

I hadn't checked the subtitles before ( didn't have a reason to yet) but you are correct. Only the first subtibles are working. Even if you select the second/third/etc... subtitle choice, the first one continues to be the only language shown.

[bloody1]

It seems the lines only appear on scene transitions that merge the ending frames of one scene with the first frames of another scene. In other words a scene of a helicopter fades out and the next scene is of a boat, but for several frames in between you can see the helicopter and boat on the same frame as one fades out and the other fades in.
It doesn't happen when the scene changes are instant.

Any help out there?????

[Djuby]

jdobbs,

I ecountered something which you might be interested in. Here is the situation. I was watching a backup I made with DVD-RB 0.47 and as the movie was playing it just froze, but the time counter was going on normal like playback never stopped. I tried it again and the same tning happened. Tried different standalone players with the same result. Power DVD was no exeption. I did a little investigation and what I found was that this freeze is between chapters. When I hit the next chapter button the problem chapter gets skipped.
http://auristechnology.com/officeuse/filelist.jpg
I marked the files that I tnink are creating the problem. The file after the marked one is the chapter that has to be played.

I can send you the REDUILDER.ECL and D2V file if you are interested.

Djuby

P.S. I also made the same backup with v.0.46 and had the same problem at exactly the same spot, so I think that the version is not an issue here.

[htc10825]

DVD-RB Version: 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE 1.7b
DVD: Charie's Angels 2(full thr...)

I've selected "half res. and half bitrate" option.
the main movie subs and all the BOV feature are OK, but in all extras with half D1 res. the subtitles are destroied bitmaps... so I must return to BIG3 method...

[Sir Didymus]

DVD-RB Version: 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE 1.8b
DVD: Terminator 2 (PAL, R2)
All options set at their default value.

The first VTS is quite rich of menus for scene selection.
The prepare, encode and rebuild steps were completed without errors.

Ok. I dont like specifically this kind of movies..., but I was really happy because this title
was really troublesome in my experience since the beginning of my tests with DVD-RB: never
being able to rebuild it until the release of DVD-RB version supporting BOV...

The bad news was that playing the title with PowerDVD, one of the menus (vobid 49, cellid 1) played
in a very jerky manner and the 6 buttons in the still image were not present at all. I tried many
times to reencode the single wrong segment but at the end the m2v file produced by CCE was always a
file (V01004800049001.m2v) of 48 Kbytes.

I would report that after the manual replacement of the bad m2v file (taking a new m2v file, long 110 Kbytes,
demuxed from the original with Vobedit), and just redoing the rebuil step, the copy is now perfect.

Is anyone else having similar problems encoding still frames ?

[swmiller]

Originally posted by winny
I have an error message I don't believe has been posted previously.

The source is a PAL disk.
DVD-RB 0.28
Quenc 4.51
Dynamically assigned bitrates

The prepare and encode stages worked fine, however I got an error during the rebuild phase at 93.4%.

It got as far as segment 63, vobid:3, cellid:13, updating navpacks:-

"Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer"

(Nice message JDobbs )

I also tried redoing the whole process with CCE and got the same message at the same stage.

Has anyone else seen this before?

Originally posted by jdobbs
This means there is a mismatch between the VOBID/CELLID structure found in the VTSs and that in the IFO. The only way I can see this happening is if an IFO and/or VTS in the source path was changed between the time of "PREPARE" and "REBUILD". The IFO is attempting to reference a VOBID/CELLID that doesn't exist.



Is there a way to fix this? I have had it happen on some movies an not others. Is there something I may be doing to cause the problem?

[nwg]

I have had my first serious stuttering issue.

Star Trek TNG Season 1 Disc 2 PAL
DVD-RB 0.47
CCE 2.50
eclCCE 1.81


I got to chapter 5 of the fourth episode (Justice). It stuttered as it went from chapter 4 to 5. It was stuttering so badly that the picture went blocky/ If I tried to pause or scan forward/backward it looked fine. I skipped to chapter 6 and it was fine to the end of the episode.

I have also done Disc 1 of TNG and DS9 Season 1 Disc 1 and they were ok.

I have just completed The Last Samurai (PAL) and will watch it tommorow to check it.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by swmiller
Is there a way to fix this? I have had it happen on some movies an not others. Is there something I may be doing to cause the problem? Are you modifying the DVD in some way (preprocessing using some other package) before running DVD-RB? That's the only think I can think that could cause this error. I put the message in only as a sanity check -- I really didn't expect to ever see it.

[kadilak]

I am happy to report that with DVD-RB v0.47, Rebuilder.exe no longer uses any CPU while waiting for CCE. It consistently uses less than 1% on my machine now.

Awesome work jdobbs!