DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta) Bug Reports

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks for the input. If I appear confused... I am.

You are saying that PAL can be interlaced but have the progressive flag set.

By saying "progressive-tagged-interlaced" P3gasus most likely means "the video looks progressive in my software player but BitrateViewer would tell me it's interlaced". P3gasus, right?

Again, there's no such thing as "progressive-tagged-interlaced". It's either encoded as progressive (progressive_frame == 1) or it's not.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
By saying "progressive-tagged-interlaced" P3gasus most likely means "the video looks progressive in my software player but BitrateViewer would tell me it's interlaced". P3gasus, right?

Again, there's no such thing as "progressive-tagged-interlaced". It's either encoded as progressive (progressive_frame == 1) or it's not. Ok. Now, is it common/uncommon for progressive and interlaced to be mixed in a single cell?

[P3gasus]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks for the input. If I appear confused... I am.

You are saying that PAL can be interlaced but have the progressive flag set.

I'm saying that the very majority of pal movies are actually PROGRESSIVE but tagged interlaced. So for example "Pirates of the carribean" R2 pal is tagged INTERLACED but it is progressive. The same thing is for TLOTR TFOTR and TLOTR TTT. I'm testing dvdrb with "Qualcosa è cambiato" R2 pal (an american movie, but I don't know the original title). It is actually PROGRESSIVE but (do you figure ??) it is tagged interlaced. DVDRB is detecting it as progressive with zigzag scan. It is tagged as interlaced-alternate. Unfortunately I'm not expert about mpeg2 file fields.


So exactly how can you tell if a PAL source is interlaced or progressive?

I detect progressive sources by using one of the most complex and sophisticated (but free) tool I have. My Eyes :D
I hope this helps

[P3gasus]

Originally posted by RB
By saying "progressive-tagged-interlaced" P3gasus most likely means "the video looks progressive in my software player but BitrateViewer would tell me it's interlaced". P3gasus, right?

You got it


Again, there's no such thing as "progressive-tagged-interlaced". It's either encoded as progressive (progressive_frame == 1) or it's not.

So for example Pirates of the Carribean R2 pal (wich is an example of what I called "progressive-tagged-interlaced") should be re-encoded with progressive checked or not?
Thanks
Bye

[nwg]

I don't know much about progressive and interlaced.

However, I do use DVD2DVDR with CCE. When I do a PAL DVD it always said's that it recommends to set it to progressive(and also said's it applies to 95% of PAL DVD's). I always do and never had a problem.

Is that any help?

[P3gasus]

Originally posted by nwg
I don't know much about progressive and interlaced.

However, I do use DVD2DVDR with CCE. When I do a PAL DVD it always said's that it recommends to set it to progressive(and also said's it applies to 95% of PAL DVD's). I always do and never had a problem.

Is that any help?

That is true. Really-interlaced dvd are not so common in pal lands. With really-interlaced I'm referring to to the titles showing horizontal lines in scene changes when watching to them in a player that does not do deinterlacing.
Bye

[brikin]

Thanks for the updates....

I am still getting my

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error 0004. Process must abort."

Then I get another window saying

"Stop statement encountered"

error with 0.3.

Thanks again

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by brikin
Thanks for the updates....

I am still getting my

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error 0004. Process must abort."

Then I get another window saying

"Stop statement encountered"

error with 0.3.

Thanks again Stills... I know I have to fix this.

[Abnormal1]

Hi,
1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: Using .30 on Animatrix (PAL) it does not deinterlace VTS2. However when i look at in DVD2AVI it looks Interlaced. Also bitrate viewer says the frame type is Intelaced.

p.s before anyone asks, Yes i do have the deinterlace options set.

p.p.s I was also wondering if you would be able to add the option to use other deinterlacers eg kerneldeint

Abnormal

[Discoboy]

Hi,

DVD-R Version: 0.30
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using eclCCE? Y Ver. 1.8b

Stuttering probs update with the latest 030 beta when processing Matrix Revolutions PAL. History:-

028 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters

029 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- stuttering every 2 seconds on video

029b beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- Stuttering every 2 seconds on video
- Audio out of shink now at the 2 second stutter issue

030 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters same as in 028 beta

[Abnormal1]

Hi,
Something else I have noticed is that When you set the path to Decomb you have to restart ReBuilder before you can select the Deinterlace with DECOMB option.
Although not really a bug it is still a little annoying

Thanks
Abnormal1

[brikin]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Stills... I know I have to fix this.

I don't know if this is a stills problem. The clip I get this error on is about 2 minutes long and the clip before and after this are 1 to 3 minutes long.

AVS for V04002900001030 Clip before the problem

# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:30
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04B.D2V")
trim(79473,81736)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

AVS for V04003000003002

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04B.D2V")
trim(81737,84780)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

AVS for V04003100002002 clip after the problem

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:02
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04B.D2V")
trim(84781,90477)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

[RB]

Originally posted by P3gasus
You got it

So for example Pirates of the Carribean R2 pal (wich is an example of what I called "progressive-tagged-interlaced") should be re-encoded with progressive checked or not?

Maybe "could" is the better word. It will make little, if any, difference in quality when reencoding with Progressive Frame flag off and Alternate scan.

Maybe to avoid further confusion to jdobbs in this matter, it's best to make sure that when using the terms "interlaced" and "progressive", this refers to what BitrateViewer or DVD2AVI report.

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Ok. Now, is it common/uncommon for progressive and interlaced to be mixed in a single cell?
I have seen it (Untolerable Cruelties PAL R2, the main movie is all progressive frames except for 25 frames that are interlaced somewhere). I think it's best to have "progressive threshold", i.e. if more than 90% of the frames in the cell are progressive, encode as progressive.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
I have seen it (Untolerable Cruelties PAL R2, the main movie is all progressive frames except for 25 frames that are interlaced somewhere). I think it's best to have "progressive threshold", i.e. if more than 90% of the frames in the cell are progressive, encode as progressive. I'm changing my code write now to do just that.

[Paced]

Originally posted by P3gasus
That is true. Really-interlaced dvd are not so common in pal lands. With really-interlaced I'm referring to to the titles showing horizontal lines in scene changes when watching to them in a player that does not do deinterlacing.
Bye

100% of my PAL DVDs (R4) have had at least one truly interlaced stream (almost always in the form of an extra). I think people from R4 (I only know dragongodz is from this region) will need to go back to 0.26 temporarily - since DVD-RB .29+ is adding progressive/ZigZag tags for these interlaced streams to be encoded (without 'Deinterlace with DECOMB enabled'). For some reason I'm the only one that is reporting this, I'm pretty sure someone else will come across this sooner or later.

[bohemian]

Originally posted by jdobbs

.....- Changed the AVS option for adding audio to fix the well-known CCE 2.50 and AMD processor bug. Now only one choice is available -- it defaults to ON, so those who use Pentiums may want to disable it. This was added to kill some of the confusion associated with previous choices and the need for a plug-in.....

Enjoy!

Firstly...Thanks for all the hard work you are putting into creating and supporting this software :)

I am using CCE 2.67.0.23 trial, and found I had to use the AddAudio plugin to prevent the memory leak by having this added to each AVS file.
The change you have recently made in the software (Including 0.30) does not add a blank audio clip to the AVS files, so the memory leak has returned.
I have tried selecting/deselecting AudioDub(BlankClip()) with no change to the AVS files.
Thanks for your time.

[kylan]

Using version .30, error #0004 at exactly 35% during the rebuild process of "28 Days Later" is still present.

[nwg]

I managed to do the PAL Matrix Revolutions with 030. I went through chapter at a time and it looked fine. This was stuttering all the time with 029. I am going to watch it now properly to make sure it is ok.

I tried Back to the Future again that fails with QuEnc. I still get runtime error 5 at 97%. It still works with CCE.

Edit.

I didn't know about the DVD-RB 030 bugs thread. Can this be moved?

As I played Matrix Revolutions it stuttered when going from chapter 3 to 4 on a cheap Cyberhome player. I played it in a better Sony player and it plays fine.

[casonbang]

I'm backing up Ocean's Eleven and I'm getting 'Runtime Error 75 Path/File' during the rebuild phase. There's 8 gigs free on the working drive. Nothing stripped from the source. Same error even if I leave French language audio checked.

DVD-RB v0.30, CCE 2.67, eclCCE 1.7b
Source Path: E:\VIDEO_TS\ (a dvd-rom using AnyDVD 3.3.2.1, works fine for RB encoding & all other apps)
Working Path: D:\TEMP\OCEANS11\REBUILDER\

Here's the files processed into my working VIDEO_TS at the time of the error/crash.
Name Ext Size Modified

VIDEO_TS IFO 10,240 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_01_0 IFO 90,112 Today 4:18:01 AM
VIDEO_TS BUP 10,240 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_02_0 IFO 28,672 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_01_0 BUP 90,112 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_02_0 BUP 28,672 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_01_0 VOB 70,670,336 Today 4:18:06 AM
VTS_02_0 VOB 0 Today 4:18:07 AM

[wmansir]

Originally posted by casonbang
I'm backing up Ocean's Eleven and I'm getting 'Runtime Error 75 Path/File' during the rebuild phase. There's 8 gigs free on the working drive. Nothing stripped from the source. Same error even if I leave French language audio checked.

DVD-RB v0.30, CCE 2.67, eclCCE 1.7b
Source Path: E:\VIDEO_TS\ (a dvd-rom using AnyDVD 3.3.2.1, works fine for RB encoding & all other apps)
Working Path: D:\TEMP\OCEANS11\REBUILDER\



Someone earlier mentioned that RB needs write access to the source directory, so you can't use a mounted virtual drive. Could someone verify/correct this?

[Pedro Gouveia]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@Pedro Gouveia

Thanks for all the help. I found the little bastard... The buffer flushing routine was occasionally incorrectly putting the stuff-to-end-of-buffer (intended for the last video packet) in the last audio packet. My belief is that it is also the culprit for the stutter some have seen (although I have never actually repeated that) at cell changes.

jdobbs. I can confirm you, that the audio problem between chapters is gone. :)

Thank a lot for your hard work.

[disturbed1]

With 0.31, when you chapter skip, you can not rewind to the previous chapter point. It just stops.

As a plus, it did complete the compile process with this build:D Other builds would crash at different points during the compile process (.28 and .30) Ran it through with QuEnc, Rejig and CCE, all completed, but all can't rewind before the chapter stops.

NTSC film.

[FMalibu]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm changing my code write now to do just that.

Ah, great that the ConvertToYUY2() interlaced parameter now fully depends on the progressive_frame flags, that's the way it should be according to the specifications.

But I hope you do realize that, as stated more than a few times in this thread, most PAL movies actually have progressive_frame == 0 on all frames. If you assume it is interlaced based on this, and the deinterlacing by decomb option is enabled, this means that a lot of PAL movies that are actually progressive by nature will be deinterlaced. Of course the FieldDeinterlace function of decomb has some algorithm to deinterlace only combed sections, but still it eats a lof of CPU cycles.

In short, this is not a reliable way for detecting interlacing, and people just shouldn't use deinterlacing on PAL titles ;)

-- FMalibu

[Joergen]

Yes like Malibu said many pal DVD tend to have progressive looking frames throughout the movie but one or more scenes might be clearly interlaced with visible "combing".. but the entire title is still marked as interlaced.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by FMalibu
Ah, great that the ConvertToYUY2() interlaced parameter now fully depends on the progressive_frame flags, that's the way it should be according to the specifications.

But I hope you do realize that, as stated more than a few times in this thread, most PAL movies actually have progressive_frame == 0 on all frames. If you assume it is interlaced based on this, and the deinterlacing by decomb option is enabled, this means that a lot of PAL movies that are actually progressive by nature will be deinterlaced. Of course the FieldDeinterlace function of decomb has some algorithm to deinterlace only combed sections, but still it eats a lof of CPU cycles.

In short, this is not a reliable way for detecting interlacing, and people just shouldn't use deinterlacing on PAL titles ;)

-- FMalibu I guess the best strategy is to not select the deinterlace option unless you know you need it.

[nwg]

I guess the best strategy is to not select the deinterlace option unless you know you need it

I just do PAL films and have so far never used that option. I just leave DVD-RB on the default settings. I just select the number of passes I want depending on the percentage that is shown at the end of the prepare stage.

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I guess the best strategy is to not select the deinterlace option unless you know you need it.
In my very humble opinion, I would make deinterlacing a very, very advanced, rarely used, tagged with warnings option :) But that's just me. I never deinterlace. IMHO the deinterlacing artifacts don't justify the lower bitrate you could theoretically use.

[FMalibu]

Originally posted by RB
In my very humble opinion, I would make deinterlacing a very, very advanced, rarely used, tagged with warnings option :) But that's just me. I never deinterlace. IMHO the deinterlacing artifacts don't justify the lower bitrate you could theoretically use.

I happen to agree. :)

But then I guess it's all a matter of personal taste. There seem to be quite a lot of people who really like to deinterlace. I suppose a lot of people also have had bad experiences with wrong field orders, but as far as I know it's already doing the detection of this just fine right?

Maybe it would be best to include something of a warning regarding deinterlacing of PAL dvds....

-- FMalibu

[chadp1a]

Forgive me for sounding stupid but let me ask this question.

If I chose not to de-interlace material that is actually interlaced, does it affect how the material will look on the tv?

What I am asking I guess is this.... Will I notice those horizontal lines on the tv? I notice them using powerdvd on the computer when I choose not to de-interlace.

[Joergen]

Your TV flickers, drawing one field (every other line) in one pass, 50 passes per second = 25 full frames or 50 half frames per second (PAL TV of course).

Cam material (DV cam etc) uses all the 50 fields to form frames.. so if you deinterlace cam stuff you'll lose the smoothness of the motion.

These fields can also be used to compensate motion for bad film transfers (cause a GOOD film transfer is 25 progressive frames for PAL) or especially with NTSC material where converting the 24 frames of film to 29.976 is much harder and needs trickery to make the motion smooth on the TV.

But this issue is too complicated to discuss here, look it up on google. Telecine and Telesync might be good words.

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by Joergen
Your TV flickers, drawing one field (every other line) in one pass, 50 passes per second = 25 full frames or 50 half frames per second (PAL TV of course).

Cam material (DV cam etc) uses all the 50 fields to form frames.. so if you deinterlace cam stuff you'll lose the smoothness of the motion.

These fields can also be used to compensate motion for bad film transfers (cause a GOOD film transfer is 25 progressive frames for PAL) or especially with NTSC material where converting the 24 frames of film to 29.976 is much harder and needs trickery to make the motion smooth on the TV.

But this issue is too complicated to discuss here, look it up on google. Telecine and Telesync might be good words.

Thnak you

[smlong426]

I just encoded a movie with 0.31, and there is still a split-second of video stutter at chapter points. It is very visible on my Zenith XBV342 .. not so noticable on my Cyberhome CH-DVD500 ..

[ps2uk]

hi guys when i press the encode button i get this error GdipLoadImageFromFile failed :3

i also had a buffer overflow error #0004

im using CCE Version 2.67.00.23 & DVD ReBuilder 0.31

thx in advance

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by smlong426
I just encoded a movie with 0.31, and there is still a split-second of video stutter at chapter points. It is very visible on my Zenith XBV342 .. not so noticable on my Cyberhome CH-DVD500 .. Since this doesn't happen on any of my DVD players it's hard for me to find. In order to help me chase this down I need to know whether it ever happens outside of a chapter break (for example does it ever happen at any cell points that are not chapters)? I know that may be Greek to a lot of folks, but to those that know what I'm talking about and get this stutter -- please let me know.

Thanks.

[dave88]

I've been getting that too, I don't really notice the sound being out of synch, but about 10 sec or so before some chapter points I get about 1/2 sec of sped up video, kinda like the audio and video is resynching?

I've tried CCE 2.67 and 2.5 with same results
DVDRB .29b

will try newer DVDRB builds soon

[lab-one]

@jdobbs

No, it is only occurring at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .30
-Path to MPEG2DEC3DG set
-Path to DECOMB511.DLL set
-Remove all DTS set
-Autodetect Film
-ConverttoYUY2() set
-Deinterlace with decomb set
-AudioDub(BlankClip()) set
CCE 2.50SP
-VBR Bias 25
-Qualiy Prec 24
-VBR Passes 2
ECLCCE 1.7
ImageToolClassic
DVDDecrypter (write)
Latest back-up: Ripleys Game NTSC
Sony DVPNS725P stand alone
Verbatim DVD+R
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ / 512mb RAM

Is there something you would suggest changing? I can re-run this tonight if you have a suggestion.

Thanks.

[Joergen]

Weird that you have stutters on a sony player while I have none (the PS2 and a DVPNS 430), but I'm in R2.

Could it have something to do with deinterlacing? If the deinterlacer needs to start somewhere further down the cell to form the first full frame (kinda like the overlay of a videocard) and so the first GOP doesnt have enough frames in it, making the player wait for the first full GOP?

Try without all the deinterlacing stuff?

I'm just guessing though, no expert.

[lab-one]

I have no idea. The Sony will play anything I throw at it. Even crappy blanks that were given to me as a gift. I may try it without the deinterlacing enabled when I go to bed.

[ChickenMan]

Maybe it worth trying RB 0.31, others are not reporting the problem with that version.

cm

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by lab-one
@jdobbs

No, it is only occurring at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .30
-Path to MPEG2DEC3DG set
-Path to DECOMB511.DLL set
-Remove all DTS set
-Autodetect Film
-ConverttoYUY2() set
-Deinterlace with decomb set
-AudioDub(BlankClip()) set
CCE 2.50SP
-VBR Bias 25
-Qualiy Prec 24
-VBR Passes 2
ECLCCE 1.7
ImageToolClassic
DVDDecrypter (write)
Latest back-up: Ripleys Game NTSC
Sony DVPNS725P stand alone
Verbatim DVD+R
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ / 512mb RAM

Is there something you would suggest changing? I can re-run this tonight if you have a suggestion.

Thanks. Could you try running it through IFOEDIT's VOB Extras with only "Correct VOB Unit" checked -- also in the VOB Expert area check "Adjust Vob-Unit pointers" and "Adjust Audio/subp pointers" and see if the problem goes away?

[lab-one]

@jdobbs

Will do. It will be morning however, gonna start again from scratch. Should I disable deinterlacing?

[smlong426]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Since this doesn't happen on any of my DVD players it's hard for me to find. In order to help me chase this down I need to know whether it ever happens outside of a chapter break (for example does it ever happen at any cell points that are not chapters)? I know that may be Greek to a lot of folks, but to those that know what I'm talking about and get this stutter -- please let me know.

Thanks.

I do not know the answer to this one, jdobbs. The way I have been testing is to play the main movie, skip to a chapter point, rewind to just before the chapter, and then let the player play through the chapter point normally. I will have to look more closely for a DVD that has separate cells not separated by chapter breaks.

I have tried loading the VTS IFO's into IFOEdit and using the VOB Extra with the following selected to no avail:

Correct VobU
Correct Original IFO
Remove P-UOPS
Remove Macrovision
Adjust VobUnit Pointers
Adjust Audio/Subp Point

I also tried loading the final output from Rebuilder into DVDShrink and let it build an ISO image. This didn't appear to correct the stutter as well.

[lab-one]

I do not know the answer to this one, jdobbs. The way I have been testing is to play the main movie, skip to a chapter point, rewind to just before the chapter, and then let the player play through the chapter point normally.

I have done it both ways. I quick scanned through a few back-ups as you mentioned above and have also watched a few from start to end. My wife and I sat down this weekend and watched Cold Creek Manor and Ripleys Game. She said she would not have noticed had I not pointed out the stutters.

I re-did Ripleys Game lastnight while sleeping. I created the image file this morning after running it through Ifoedit as jdobbs asked. I will burn the disc when I get home from work and sit down and watch the movie once my daughter allows...

Will report back then.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by lab-one
I have done it both ways. I quick scanned through a few back-ups as you mentioned above and have also watched a few from start to end. My wife and I sat down this weekend and watched Cold Creek Manor and Ripleys Game. She said she would not have noticed had I not pointed out the stutters.

I re-did Ripleys Game lastnight while sleeping. I created the image file this morning after running it through Ifoedit as jdobbs asked. I will burn the disc when I get home from work and sit down and watch the movie once my daughter allows...

Will report back then. Thanks much.

[DMagic1]

Thanks StifflerStealth

Its funny, I have to look at the top of the page everytime to see which topic I'm posting in.

[StifflerStealth]

It appears DMagic lost his own post. Yoda will help you find it, he will.

Click Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=470126#post470126)

There you go.

I wish I remembered what Yoda said in Episode 2 when Obi-Wan was looking for a planet that was erased from the archives.

Stiff

[lab-one]

quote:
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Originally posted by lab-one
@jdobbs

No, it is only occurring at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .30
-Path to MPEG2DEC3DG set
-Path to DECOMB511.DLL set
-Remove all DTS set
-Autodetect Film
-ConverttoYUY2() set
-Deinterlace with decomb set
-AudioDub(BlankClip()) set
CCE 2.50SP
-VBR Bias 25
-Qualiy Prec 24
-VBR Passes 2
ECLCCE 1.7
ImageToolClassic
DVDDecrypter (write)
Latest back-up: Ripleys Game NTSC
Sony DVPNS725P stand alone
Verbatim DVD+R
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ / 512mb RAM

Is there something you would suggest changing? I can re-run this tonight if you have a suggestion.

Thanks.
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Could you try running it through IFOEDIT's VOB Extras with only "Correct VOB Unit" checked -- also in the VOB Expert area check "Adjust Vob-Unit pointers" and "Adjust Audio/subp pointers" and see if the problem goes away?


@jdobbs

Just wateched the first hour of Ripleys Game and although the "stuttering" is faint....almost unrecognizable it does exist and it is only occuring at chapter breaks. I don't know that it's my stand alone as I have no problems with back-ups I have done with other software.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by lab-one
quote:
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Originally posted by lab-one
@jdobbs

Just wateched the first hour of Ripleys Game and although the "stuttering" is faint....almost unrecognizable it does exist and it is only occuring at chapter breaks. I don't know that it's my stand alone as I have no problems with back-ups I have done with other software. Can't have that... all st.. st..stuttering must cease. I'm working it. Unfortunately I have yet to have seen it for myself.

[DMagic1]

I just did Tombstone. I could see the chapter stutter easily with PowerDVD. I used v.031 and CCE.