DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta) Bug Reports [Archive] - Page 20

PINOBIRD

16th April 2004, 19:35

Originally posted by jdobbs
:angry: Off I go to fix this -- and I was really feeling proud of myself. Can you tell me which VTS and which stream number (0-7) it is when shown in the DVD-RB listbox (cut and paste a screen shot of that area if possible)?

Sorry for the continuing problem.

No problem.

No problem

VTS_01 [539 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 2Chan, AC3, Lang: English

VTS_02 [7.310 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 6Chan, AC3, Lang: English

Audio_02 2Chan, LPCM, Lang: English

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 20:56

Hey Jdobbs I managed to put on-line one cell of "Crouching Tiger,hidden Dragon", one of the two progressive films which were recognized as interlaced by DVD-RB! Here's the link: http://web.rossoalice.it/g.lettich/Crouching%20tiger%20hidden%20Dragon%20CELL%20(PAL%20-%20Italian).zip (54 Megs).

It is not the first cell of the movie because I've choosed the one which took less space. I hope it's ok for you :)

PS: I've tried Saving private Ryan (PAL-ITA) and it's recognized correctly (progressive) by DVD-RB. So it seems that not all PAL DVDs are recognized wrongly as interlaced. I hope you can understand where is the problem.

Djuby

16th April 2004, 21:13

Originally posted by jdobbs

Which encoder were you using? QuEnc seems to be undersizing.

Thank you for the reply. I am using 5 pass VBR CCE SP 2.67.00.23 with EclCCE 1.8b. I also have the Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates checked. The version of DVD-RB is 0.39.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 23:08

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Hey Jdobbs I managed to put on-line one cell of "Crouching Tiger,hidden Dragon", one of the two progressive films which were recognized as interlaced by DVD-RB! Here's the link: http://web.rossoalice.it/g.lettich/Crouching%20tiger%20hidden%20Dragon%20CELL%20(PAL%20-%20Italian).zip (54 Megs).

It is not the first cell of the movie because I've choosed the one which took less space. I hope it's ok for you :)

PS: I've tried Saving private Ryan (PAL-ITA) and it's recognized correctly (progressive) by DVD-RB. So it seems that not all PAL DVDs are recognized wrongly as interlaced. I hope you can understand where is the problem. I just looked at the file you provided, and not a single one of the 2,385 frames is marked as progressive.

Doom9

16th April 2004, 23:41

to continue my bugreport, here's the DVD-RB status:

[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=2
However, all files have been encoded and DVD-RB definitely was in rebuild state (I'd thought that would make mode=3). All menu files have already been copied, same for the IFOs, and VTS_02_1.VOB was in rebuilding phase as it's the latest one to be written, but it was never completed. Not sure this is of any use, but if more info is required, just ask.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 23:50

Originally posted by Doom9
to continue my bugreport, here's the DVD-RB status:

However, all files have been encoded and DVD-RB definitely was in rebuild state (I'd thought that would make mode=3). All menu files have already been copied, same for the IFOs, and VTS_02_1.VOB was in rebuilding phase as it's the latest one to be written, but it was never completed. Not sure this is of any use, but if more info is required, just ask. I have the error '5' fixed, I just haven't posted yet. The "mode" tells which encoder (CCE, ReJig, QuEnc) was used. The "Progress" says what has been completed. It never gets incremented above 2 because it's only there to make sure the previous phase was completed before attempting the current one.

Paced

17th April 2004, 00:07

Originally posted by Djuby
Thank you for the reply. I am using 5 pass VBR CCE SP 2.67.00.23 with EclCCE 1.8b. I also have the Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates checked. The version of DVD-RB is 0.39.

You should also take note that Schindler's List is black and white, which means it is highly compressible; this may be the reason why you are getting under-sized results.

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 07:52

Originally posted by jdobbs
I just looked at the file you provided, and not a single one of the 2,385 frames is marked as progressive.

Incredible...now I'll extract a cell of "the matrix" which I know for sure that is progressive. Then I'll upload it so you can check it out. Stay tuned.

Anyway, how's it possible that a progressive title is marked as interlaced?

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 08:15

Okay, I've put on-line the first cell of The Matrix (PAL-ITA): http://web.rossoalice.it/g.lettich/Matrix%20PAL-ITA%20First%20Cell.zip (20Megs.)

As I said some posts ago, also this title is recognized as interlaced. I Hope this will be more useful. :)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 11:19

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Incredible...now I'll extract a cell of "the matrix" which I know for sure that is progressive. Then I'll upload it so you can check it out. Stay tuned.

Anyway, how's it possible that a progressive title is marked as interlaced? It probably actually is interlaced, but is stored as frames. I've found on NTSC that almost nothing is stored as field based interlaced -- it is marked as interlaced but the two fields have been combined into a frame that is stored on disc. But when I play them back they are interlaced.

There was a lot of discussion on this topic a few days ago. The option now known as "Disable Interlaced" is there specifically for these titles. I've been told that you can treat a lot of interlaced PAL sources as progressive. But I don't do a lot of PAL work.

When using AVISYNTH they are all being presented to the encoder as a combined frames anyway (unless you use commands to separate them).

PhAtfiSh

17th April 2004, 11:40

An error report for you using v0.40 & rejig.

I got a 'run-time 9, Subscript out of range' when in the re-building phase.

Source was 4:3 interlaced. (It was a simple extras disc)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 12:28

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Incredible...now I'll extract a cell of "the matrix" which I know for sure that is progressive. Then I'll upload it so you can check it out. Stay tuned.

Anyway, how's it possible that a progressive title is marked as interlaced? By the way, I just encoded the cell you sent me with and without setting the "Disable Interlace" flag and to me they look identical (they look fantastic, actually). I'm not sure this is even an issue.

NOTE ADDED: I only reviewed them on the PC.

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 12:30

Originally posted by jdobbs
By the way, I just encoded the cell you sent me with and without setting the "Disable Interlace" flag and to me they look identical (they look fantastic, actually). I'm not sure this is even an issue.

Let's hope so Jdobbs. :)

If you'll need anything in the future for PAL titles just ask me :)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 12:58

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Let's hope so Jdobbs. :)

If you'll need anything in the future for PAL titles just ask me :) Just looked at the last cell also... every frame is individually marked as interlaced (progressive_flag = 0) as well.

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 13:34

Yes, I noticed the same thing with vobedit too.

Anyway I could try to encode matrix as a progressive source, put it on a DVD-RW, and see what happens on a normal television.

Tell me if you need that I do that.

PINOBIRD

17th April 2004, 19:22

Sorry , jdobbs but I think you missed the post about The VTS and stream number of the LPCM audio track .
I couldn't find nothing about it in the last version.
If so ,here it is again.

VTS_01 [539 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 2Chan, AC3, Lang: English

VTS_02 [7.310 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 6Chan, AC3, Lang: English
Audio_02 2Chan, LPCM, Lang: English

There are a lot of music DVD which have a LPCM track.

I Know that you are very busy with other important issues so don’t hurry.

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 19:37

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
Sorry , jdobbs but I think you missed the post about The VTS and stream number of the LPCM audio track .
I couldn't find nothing about it in the last version.
If so ,here it is again.

VTS_01 [539 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 2Chan, AC3, Lang: English

VTS_02 [7.310 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 6Chan, AC3, Lang: English
Audio_02 2Chan, LPCM, Lang: English

There are a lot of music DVD which have a LPCM track.

I Know that you are very busy with other important issues so don’t hurry. I'm still looking. I haven't been able to find a reason why it wouldn't remove it. Was the final product oversized by an amount equal to the LPCM?

PINOBIRD

17th April 2004, 19:47

I haven't encoded the video yet because the overal bitrate was 1035 kbs with the LPCM checked but also unchecked.

I think if i encode the video it wil be 2,2 gig undersized .

I can try with rejig if you like

PINOBIRD

17th April 2004, 20:51

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm still looking. I haven't been able to find a reason why it wouldn't remove it. Was the final product oversized by an amount equal to the LPCM?

I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.
I unchecked the LPCM stream .
The VIDEO_TS folder comes out at 5.34 GB.
When playing the movie the LPCM stream is still present.

DVD-RB 0.40

nwg

17th April 2004, 21:31

I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.

I have the same DVD. I will try it as well, as I am interested in this.

Joergen

17th April 2004, 21:37

Originally posted by jarvis1781
using DVD-RB 0.40
I tried to backup Matrix Revolutions and at the Rebuild stage I get the "runtime error 75" file not found error

how do I fix this?

Did you unmount the iso you had as the source or something similar? Jdobbs recommends using DVD Decrypter in file mode, not iso mounting.

DDogg

17th April 2004, 21:38

jarvis1781, and you were using a mounted ISO, correct? If so, you may be able to save yourself some time by recreating the source using dvddecryptor's file mode. Open dvd-rb and change to the filemode source and restart rebuild. Darn, Joergen beat me to it :)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 23:05

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.
I unchecked the LPCM stream .
The VIDEO_TS folder comes out at 5.34 GB.
When playing the movie the LPCM stream is still present.

DVD-RB 0.40 I know I've asked this before but can you confirm (using VOBEDIT) that the ID for the LPCM is somewhere in the 0xA0-0xA7 range? I just went through the audio selection and removal end-to-end and can't find the flaw. I know its there -- so I have to be missing something on the LPCM. Is another audio stream being removed instead?

DDogg

17th April 2004, 23:52

Jdobbs, since I got the same error on the same title with 0.40 you should be able to replicate it on your end. That should make you happy :)

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 00:37

Movie: Two Weeks Notice PAL
Dvd-rb v0.40
rejig

VTS_01 5416 Mbytes 16:9
VTS_02 755 Mbytes 4:3

deselected spanish and catalan audio tracks

All seemed to work fine, until Nero said that rellocation failed, because "VTS_02_0.VOB is not referenced, and should not be present".

Joergen

18th April 2004, 00:39

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 00:40

Originally posted by m3taPT
Movie: Two Weeks Notice PAL
Dvd-rb v0.40
rejig

VTS_01 5416 Mbytes 16:9
VTS_02 755 Mbytes 4:3

deselected spanish and catalan audio tracks

All seemed to work fine, until Nero said that rellocation failed, because "VTS_02_0.VOB is not referenced, and should not be present". That's an argument for Nero and the original DVD author to have... DVD-RB just calls 'em like it sees 'em. I'd tell it to write anyway (if you can)... I don't use Nero myself (I quit after the first few versions had problems -- I understand they've been fixed).

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 00:41

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's an argument for Nero and the original DVD author to have... DVD-RB just calls 'em like it sees 'em.

So, shall i burn anyway?

Joergen

18th April 2004, 00:41

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's an argument for Nero and the original DVD author to have... DVD-RB just calls 'em like it sees 'em.

jdobbs: I'm not sure but I think dvdshrink removes unreferenced or 0byte .vob's so thats why people are baffled when they get such an "error" with dvd-rb.

Joergen

18th April 2004, 00:42

Originally posted by m3taPT
So, shall i burn anyway?

You shall hit delete on that unreferenced vob in the nero template, then burn. I wouldnt recommend burning DESPITE an error. But if you DELETE IT there WILL BE NO ERROR. :D

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 00:43

Originally posted by Joergen
You shall hit delete on that unreferenced vob in the nero template, then burn. I wouldnt recommend burning DESPITE an error. But if you DELETE IT there WILL BE NO ERROR. :D

Indeed. Burning now.

Stupid Nero. (oops disregard that sentence) ;)

Thanks guys, "problem" solved in 4 mns. Amazing :)

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 00:46

Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: I'm not sure but I think dvdshrink removes unreferenced or 0byte .vob's so thats why people are baffled when they get such an "error" with dvd-rb. Yeah, but you also don't get a true copy of the original. I'll look at this and see if it makes sense to delete unreferenced or zero-length VOBs.

nwg

18th April 2004, 00:57

PINOBIRD wrote,
I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.

I have just done it as well and told DVD-RB to remove the LPCM track (R1). The end result was 5.15GB and the LPCM is still there.

I didn't have enough space on the HDD so I decrypted straight of the DVD.

DMagic1

18th April 2004, 01:59

Originally posted by jarvis1781
using DVD-RB 0.40
I tried to backup Matrix Revolutions and at the Rebuild stage I get the "runtime error 75" file not found error

how do I fix this?

I just got the same error on Matrix Reloaded but on the encode stage. It wasn't an ISO and I was using CCE2.66. When I went with CCE2.50 the error wasnt there.:confused:

Trahald

18th April 2004, 02:20

Originally posted by m3taPT
So, shall i burn anyway?

I leave it there and have had no problems... this happens with big3 backups too.. since its on my origional i leave it so its a truer backup.. just a persoonal thing i guess :D

Joergen

18th April 2004, 02:22

Originally posted by Trahald
I leave it there and have had no problems... this happens with big3 backups too.. since its on my origional i leave it so its a truer backup.. just a persoonal thing i guess :D

Yes, its true to the authoring error/junk files of the original :D

hmm I wonder what happens if you rename a ~70MB file to a random VOB and feed it to dvd-rb? New revolutionary anti-dvd-rb copy protection :devil:

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 02:31

Originally posted by Joergen
Yes, its true to the authoring error/junk files of the original :D

hmm I wonder what happens if you rename a ~70MB file to a random VOB and feed it to dvd-rb? New revolutionary anti-dvd-rb copy protection :devil: Hmm... You know I've seen a lot of strange things. I once saw a DVD that had about 10 minutes of unreferenced video as a cell at the beginning of a VTS.

I guess I could just ignore unreferenced cells (but copy them). That would fix the copy protection!;)

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 02:36

Originally posted by jdobbs
I guess I could just ignore unreferenced cells (but copy them). That would fix the copy protection!;)

Is that a preview of a new feature of v0.41? ;)

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 02:41

Originally posted by m3taPT
Is that a preview of a new feature of v0.41? ;) I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 02:44

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Fair enough, we're sure you won't forget it. :D

gunga

18th April 2004, 02:52

Hello Everyone,

Does anyone know why when I try to encode the movie Haute Tension,(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) the bitrate goes above 10.08Mbps at certain segments of the movie. I only had to watch it for twenty minutes when I get numerous stuttering/pausing in the video/audio because of this. Why is this happening with the DVD compliance flag enabled?

Using:
DVDRB 0.40
CCE 2.67.00.23/ECLCCE 1.7b
Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates selected
Decomb Selected

Thanks.....

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 03:31

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 03:34

Actually I guess it could be possible if you had an audio stream that was LPCM and set to some really high bitrate as a result of multiple channels... any of that seem likely? But they'd have to be up around 2Mbs to get you as high as you've reported.

PINOBIRD

18th April 2004, 06:57

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I've asked this before but can you confirm (using VOBEDIT) that the ID for the LPCM is somewhere in the 0xA0-0xA7 range? I just went through the audio selection and removal end-to-end and can't find the flaw. I know its there -- so I have to be missing something on the LPCM. Is another audio stream being removed instead?

Jdobbs I have opened the VTS_02_0.VOB in vobedit and I can't find the LPCM Stream
but when I open the track in VTS_02_1.VOB ~ VTS_02_7.VOB it's present at 0xa1.
This is the only stream i remove.

I am not so familiar with vobedit,but i think this is what you want to know.

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 11:00

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
Jdobbs I have opened the VTS_02_0.VOB in vobedit and I can't find the LPCM Stream
but when I open the track in VTS_02_1.VOB ~ VTS_02_7.VOB it's present at 0xa1.
This is the only stream i remove.

I am not so familiar with vobedit,but i think this is what you want to know. That's right. The VTS_nn_0.VOB files are normally menus.

jurij

18th April 2004, 12:14

jdoobs:
Hi, since i have a few movies with multiple angles or interleaved sectoring , i would like to know if that is a "hard to support" feature of you plan to add it soon.
Thanx :)))))))))))))))

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 13:02

Originally posted by gunga
Hello Everyone,

Does anyone know why when I try to encode the movie Haute Tension,(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) the bitrate goes above 10.08Mbps at certain segments of the movie. I only had to watch it for twenty minutes when I get numerous stuttering/pausing in the video/audio because of this. Why is this happening with the DVD compliance flag enabled?

Using:
DVDRB 0.40
CCE 2.67.00.23/ECLCCE 1.7b
Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates selected
Decomb Selected

Thanks..... One way to answer this conclusively if you are using one of the SP versions of CCE and you still have the directory created by DVD-RB (after phase II)...

First find out which .AVS has the offending section of the movie in it and remember the name

1. Open up a new text file with notepad.
2. Open the REBUILDER.ECL file.
3. Cut and past the first 3 lines (the header and one blank line) into the text file.
4. Go down through the entries (each starts with [Item] and ends just before the next [Item]) and select the entry that represents the offending section of the movie.
5. Cut and paste that section into the text file.
6. Save the text file at "test.ecl"
7. Drag and drop "test.ecl" into CCE.
8. Double-click on the file in CCE and encoder settings will come up.
9. Click on the "Advanced" or "Bit Allocation" button (it depends on the version.
10. The tables at the bottom will tell you the maximum bitrate applied, you can also scroll through the entire stream and see the relationship of bitrate and Q

onesoul

18th April 2004, 14:56

Originally posted by jdobbs
:angry: Off I go to fix this -- and I was really feeling proud of myself. Can you tell me which VTS and which stream number (0-7) it is when shown in the DVD-RB listbox (cut and paste a screen shot of that area if possible)? Sorry for the delayed feedback, here are 2 screenshots, one from dvd-rb and other from vobedit.
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/onesoul/lpcm_rb.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/onesoul/lpcm_edit.gif

Hope this helps.
edit: forgot to say that the process went like before the fix, dvd-rb didn't remove the lpcm track and final size was accurate.