DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta) Bug Reports

[Joergen]

Originally posted by nwg
DVD Stripper will do that. It is more powerful than Titleset Blanker but, takes a lot more time to do (plus it needs DVD Decrypter and Ifoedit).

Does DVD Stripper "remove play" like titlesetblanker does? So if say a #1 Studio animation is in the same VTS as a #2 copyright warning. If I remove #2 will the player "skip" the warning or hang cause it isnt there (as if you stripped the vobid with ifoedit)?

[nwg]

You can strip anything out with DVD Stripper. It creates a folder of the decrypted DVD using DVD Decrypter in cell id mode. It will just skip anything you take out (video or menu items).

It is even possible to take out the menus language and just keep English. I did this with Matrix Revolutions prior to DVD-RB and took out the German menus.

[Joergen]

Cool thanks. I had some problems using ifoedit to just strip vobid's from a multilanguage menu, I'll be sure to use dvdstripper next time.

[zeus163]

I finally got back and tried this again, but on a different title. I did my Great Teacher Onizuki vol 1 DVD. The quality is great, but it suffers from a field order problem. There is shimmering and weird motions (that I notice when I accidentally set that wrong when encoding). I'm going through all the files right now with restream and working on them. I will then try the remerge and see if that works.

Is there a way to set that or automate that setting so that doesn't happen?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zeus163
I finally got back and tried this again, but on a different title. I did my Great Teacher Onizuki vol 1 DVD. The quality is great, but it suffers from a field order problem. There is shimmering and weird motions (that I notice when I accidentally set that wrong when encoding). I'm going through all the files right now with restream and working on them. I will then try the remerge and see if that works.

Is there a way to set that or automate that setting so that doesn't happen? Is anyone else experiencing this?

[The_Flash]

I was just going to post that v0.36 was crashing while writing the .d2v, and along came v0.36a...fixed! Thanks!

[robw]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is anyone else experiencing this?

Not here, all is working well for me.

[Rombaldi]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is anyone else experiencing this?

yes,very similar (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=474470&highlight=bizzare#post474470)

[digidragon]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is anyone else experiencing this?
Yes, I posted in the motion blur thread.

[zeus163]

Sorry. I didn't realize there was a motion blur thread. I ran resteam on all the files and retagged the field order, but that didn't seem to work. So, I'm not sure where the problem is, but there is definitely a shimmering field order effect going as I just watched the original again to make sure that wasn't happening!

It's still a great package. I just hope I can find out what I did wrong!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zeus163
Sorry. I didn't realize there was a motion blur thread. I ran resteam on all the files and retagged the field order, but that didn't seem to work. So, I'm not sure where the problem is, but there is definitely a shimmering field order effect going as I just watched the original again to make sure that wasn't happening!

It's still a great package. I just hope I can find out what I did wrong! Did you restream the VOB files or the .m2V files? Changing the .M2V files is ineffective -- as the flags are reset when during REBUILD.

[RB]

Restream can only process MPEG2 elementary streams, no VOBs.

[bodhead]

yea i got the same pro,with THE OMEN pal,just extras.
and red dwarf pal series 5 disc 1,not tried any others till theres a fix,if poss.fingers crossed.

[zeus163]

I ran restream on the .m2v files that CCE produced. I guess I did not realize that the flags are reset during the rebuild process. I guess I could have demuxed my .vob files from the finished rebuild process. That might have worked. I've deleted it and will try again later.

[Paced]

Originally posted by bodhead
yea i got the same pro,with THE OMEN pal,just extras.
and red dwarf pal series 5 disc 1,not tried any others till theres a fix,if poss.fingers crossed.

I just did my copy of The Omen (PAL) with DVD-RB and the extras turned out fine for me (DVD-RB detected the extras were interlaced and TFF, and set top_first=0 accordingly).

For me, DVD-RB has been flawless ever since 0.33 - these are the problems I used to get:

- stuttering at chapter points
- interlaced video not being detected properly

From 0.33 onwards, DVD-RB has been doing any DVD I throw at it (except for ones that contain multi-angles and seamless branching of course). The resulting DVDs play flawlessly in all of my DVD players, including my PS2. Once again, great work jdobbs.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zeus163
I finally got back and tried this again, but on a different title. I did my Great Teacher Onizuki vol 1 DVD. The quality is great, but it suffers from a field order problem. There is shimmering and weird motions (that I notice when I accidentally set that wrong when encoding). I'm going through all the files right now with restream and working on them. I will then try the remerge and see if that works.

Is there a way to set that or automate that setting so that doesn't happen? Take a look at this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=474961#post474961) thread. I've posted a patched version to see if it fixes this. Let me know whether it works.

[zeus163]

Thanks! I was just checking threads at work during my planning time and noticed this. I'll have to try this when I get home and report back later. I think it took 5-6 hours on 3 pass to complete this. I'll try it then.

Thanks for continuing to update this fine software.

[PINOBIRD]

DVD-RB 0.37a
CCE 2.50
Eclcce Y
Hi, I try to back up my Roger Waters in the flesh music DVD
The problem is when ether I check or uncheck the LPCM audio stream the overall bit rate stays at 1035Kbs.
This is far to low to get acceptable quality.
The 2 ch LPCM Stream of this DVD is 2.2 gigabyte .
So if I use the 5.1 AC3 Stream I can use 2.2 gigabyte more to get a better bit rate for video.
DVD-RB isn’t calculating the LPCM stream when you uncheck it .

The Eagles Hell Freezes Over went perfect
Pink Floyd live at Pompeii went perfect

Many thanks to jdobbs for this fantastic program



Sorry for my bad English

[jdobbs]

Happy to do it. There is apparently a problem with LPCM -- but I don't know what it is yet.

[DrVenkman]

Everything runs fantastic, but I got one little problem...

Chapter Points;

Basically there is a slight pause on picture only(The audio continues to play uninterupted) when I play it back on my cheaper 'Pacific' player, but when played on my Panasonic player there were no problems at all. I tired a few things (Played it back on PowerDVD and FF/RWD through chapters points with no problems and I ran it through DVDSrink and still the problem was there.

So would this be a disc problem (I'm using Ritek discs that play all my other backups fine), a DVD-RB problem or more likely - A Player problem?

[psdos]

with RB v0.34 to 0.38 and the film "Enemy at the gate" to one second to start Rebuilder "Error 9".

[Joergen]

Originally posted by DrVenkman
Everything runs fantastic, but I got one little problem...

Chapter Points;



It's a known problem and jdobbs is working on it feaverishly. 0.38 fixed another type of stutter so did you use 0.38 to do your backup?

[djan]

Originally posted by psdos
with RB v0.34 to 0.38 and the film "Enemy at the gate" to one second to start Rebuilder "Error 9". The same for me, go to see there : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=73853&goto=lastpost

[jdobbs]

Could you check and see what type of picture this is:

Is it interlaced?
Is it FRAME or FIELD based?

I know this is Greek to some folks (as it should be) but for those that run into this problem and know, this could help me find the '9' error.

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Could you check and see what type of picture this is:

Is it interlaced?
Is it FRAME or FIELD based?

I know this is Greek to some folks (as it should be) but for those that run into this problem and know, this could help me find the '9' error. Hi, the movie is not interlaced but is tagged interlaced. How can I know if the picture is FRAME or FIELD based ? Thx.

[jdobbs]

I do it by looking at it with VOBEDIT. Each PICTURE_START_CODE (I, P, or B Frame) is accompanied by an extension -- the extension tells you the picture_structure. It will say one of TOP_FIELD, BOTTOM_FIELD, or FRAME_PICTURE. I think Bitrate Viewer can also tell you.

The reason I ask is that I think I've found a problem associated with non FRAME based streams. Luckily they aren't that common (at least here in Region 1).

[onesoul]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Happy to do it. There is apparently a problem with LPCM -- but I don't know what it is yet. Did you see my post in the other thread? About the ID being 0xa0. Could I provide more information?

[Toranaga]

I just ran The Last Temptation of Christ PAL, and it seems to have come out ok :D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by onesoul
Did you see my post in the other thread? About the ID being 0xa0. Could I provide more information? No I missed it... that is probably the problem then... I should be able to fix that pretty easily.

[PINOBIRD]

Originally posted by onesoul
Did you see my post in the other thread? About the ID being 0xa0. Could I provide more information?


My LPCM ID is being at 0xa1

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
My LPCM ID is being at 0xa1 Thanks. This should be fixed in the next version (v0.39)

Added: You know, I should have known that. I'm already recognizing it when scanning for languages and types -- sometimes the memory just goes.

[Djuby]

jdobbs, GREAT job. You really made an awesome utility.
Just wanted to report an undersizing problem. I made a backup of Schindler's list Disk 1/R1, kept DTS sound only, and the output was 3.58 GB. Any ideas?

Djuby

P.S. Once again great job.

[PINOBIRD]

The LPCM Stream is still not calculated when ether I check or uncheck it in version 0.39.
The overall bit rate is sill 1035 Kbs.
If you wish i could provide more information

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Djuby
jdobbs, GREAT job. You really made an awesome utility.
Just wanted to report an undersizing problem. I made a backup of Schindler's list Disk 1/R1, kept DTS sound only, and the output was 3.58 GB. Any ideas?

Djuby

P.S. Once again great job. Which encoder were you using? QuEnc seems to be undersizing.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
The LPCM Stream is still not calculated when ether I check or uncheck it in version 0.39.
The overall bit rate is sill 1035 Kbs.
If you wish i could provide more information :angry: Off I go to fix this -- and I was really feeling proud of myself. Can you tell me which VTS and which stream number (0-7) it is when shown in the DVD-RB listbox (cut and paste a screen shot of that area if possible)?

Sorry for the continuing problem.

[Fr4nz]

Hey is this a bug?

LoadPlugin("H:\MPEGDecoder.dll")
mpeg2source("H:\DIO\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(0,7184)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) <===== !!!!
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Why DVD-RB sets interlaced=true all the times? I'm working on progressive DVDs, so it shouldn't set interlaced=true in the AVS scripts! Or am I wrong?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Hey is this a bug?

LoadPlugin("H:\MPEGDecoder.dll")
mpeg2source("H:\DIO\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(0,7184)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) <===== !!!!
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Why DVD-RB sets interlaced=true all the times? I'm working on progressive DVDs, so it shouldn't set interlaced=true in the AVS scripts! Or am I wrong? That line is only inserted on material that is interlaced. I would have to guess that the first 7185 frames (in a single cell) of this VTS are flagged as interlaced rather than progressive.

If you are convinced they are progressive and are flagged wrong you can set the option for removing "interlaced=true" under Options/AVS Options. That has been reported as happening in PAL.

[Fr4nz]

Yes I'm sure it's progressive.

So I have three questions:

1- if I let interlaced=true, will be the whole movie encoded as if it is interlaced or only the first 7185 frames?

2- Is it dangerous to leave interleaced=true for the final quality of the encoded movie?

3- Is it possible with PAL DVDs to understand if they are really interlaced or progressive?

Thanks for any answer!

EDIT: I just found that not all PAL DVDs fool DVD-RB. For example "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" fools DVD-RB, but "Gladiator" not.

[gunga]

Hello Jdobbs,

I have made a backup of the movie Haute Tension(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) and in the first twenty minutes, I noticed at three separate times on viewing, a stuttering/pause effect ocurred in both video and audio on my JVC DVD player. It lasts only 1 to 2 seconds each time. Everytime the stuttering/pause occurs, I noticed my birate on my player goes above 9Mbps and into 11Mbps and 12Mbps. Once it comes back down, audio and video are fine. I know DVD players don't like birates above 9Mbps, but what would be causing this problem? I'm using CCE 2.67.0.23 trial with eclcce and have the dynamically assign cell birates selected. I have not done any special tweaks either. I believe all other setting are fine. Keep you the great work.

Thanks.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Yes I'm sure it's progressive.


EDIT: I just found that not all PAL DVDs fool DVD-RB. For example "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" fools DVD-RB, but "Gladiator" not.

I did the latter and it is progressive and CCE was compressing about 0.5 faster than if it was interlaced, so DVD-RB did recognise it as progressive properly.

[Fr4nz]

Yes it recognizes Galdiator correctly. Now I'm trying to see what happens with "The Matrix", stay tuned.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Yes I'm sure it's progressive.

So I have three questions:

1- if I let interlaced=true, will be the whole movie encoded as if it is interlaced or only the first 7185 frames?

2- Is it dangerous to leave interleaced=true for the final quality of the encoded movie?

3- Is it possible with PAL DVDs to understand if they are really interlaced or progressive?

Thanks for any answer!

EDIT: I just found that not all PAL DVDs fool DVD-RB. For example "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" fools DVD-RB, but "Gladiator" not. 1. According to RB, who is very knowledgable and I tend to agree with, if it is marked as interlaced -- it is interlaced. But others say that sometimes progressive sources are marked as interlaced. I'm in NTSC land and can't verify one way or the other. You'd have to look at the other .AVS files to see if they were marked as interlaced...

2. Some say no. Others say yes... Try it and see.

3. There is a flag in the picture_coding_extension header that accompanies each picture_start_code that tells you whether the source is progressive. That flag is what DVD-RB uses to to determine whether it is interlaced or progressive. If 90% of the pictures in a cell are flagged as progressive, then it is assumed to be progressive. Most of the time they are 100% one way or the other.

My belief it that it would be silly for the original author to take a progressive source and mark it interlaced, so why assume they did? But stranger things have happened.

[luphy]

Just a small suggestion, but these bug report threads are getting long. How about creating separate threads for each of the encoders - CCE, QuEnc, Rejig.

Quite an enormous task jdobbs, creating a program to use 3 different encoders, and trying to debug all of them!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by gunga
Hello Jdobbs,

I have made a backup of the movie Haute Tension(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) and in the first twenty minutes, I noticed at three separate times on viewing, a stuttering/pause effect ocurred in both video and audio on my JVC DVD player. It lasts only 1 to 2 seconds each time. Everytime the stuttering/pause occurs, I noticed my birate on my player goes above 9Mbps and into 11Mbps and 12Mbps. Once it comes back down, audio and video are fine. I know DVD players don't like birates above 9Mbps, but what would be causing this problem? I'm using CCE 2.67.0.23 trial with eclcce and have the dynamically assign cell birates selected. I have not done any special tweaks either. I believe all other setting are fine. Keep you the great work.

Thanks. I assume you used CCE to encode. I was afraid something like that might happen when I accepted someone's advice to not set the "DVD Compliant" flag... I'll change this in version 0.40 (except for Half-D1). Please note, however, that the number you are seeing is not the VIDEO bitrate, but the TOTAL bitrate (audio,video, and anything else).

Here is a quote from the DVD FAQ5:

"Maximum video bit rate is 9.8 Mbps...After error correction the user data stream goes into the track buffer at a constant 11.08 Mbps...After system overhead, the maximum rate of combined elementary streams (audio + video + subpicture) is 10.08 Mbps."

[Axlemar]

Using Quenc and the same settings on a dvd I had backed up fine before, I got a dvd that stutters non-stop throughout the entire disc causing the audio to skip and break and the video to be jumpy and in slow motion. The REBUILDER.inf shows:
[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=2
Encode_Progress=33
[V01000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=21021.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=2865
Last_Sector=31325
Reduction=54.5
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0

DVD2AVI says that the video type is NTSC and the frame type is Progressive and the video looks interlaced.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Axlemar
Using Quenc and the same settings on a dvd I had backed up fine before, I got a dvd that stutters non-stop throughout the entire disc causing the audio to skip and break and the video to be jumpy and in slow motion. The REBUILDER.inf shows:
[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=2
Encode_Progress=33
[V01000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=21021.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=2865
Last_Sector=31325
Reduction=54.5
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0 Backed up before with DVD-RB? What version before and after?

[Fr4nz]

Also The Matrix (Italian-PAL) is recognized as Interlaced :( :(

Jdobbs can we do something about it? Maybe I could provide you some files of these DVD?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Also The Matrix (Italian-PAL) is recognized as Interlaced :( :(

Jdobbs can we do something about it? Maybe I could provide you some files of these DVD? If you have a way of getting me one cell I can look at it. Usually they are too big for EMail.

[Axlemar]

I had backed it up before with version .33a I believe, much older than the newest version now. And then I used .39 and got problems. Also, DVD2AVI says that the video type is NTSC and the frame type is Progressive and the video looks interlaced. Is it being labled wrong or something?

[DDogg]

IMO, QuEnc, nic's front-end to FFMPEG, while showing great progress seems very experimental to be included in dvd-rb at this stage. I do realize it is free, but I would just suggest it is premature to use it in a process based application that needs accurate size control. nic is dependent on the FFMPEG folks so their is not much he can do about it.