EVOB De/Multiplexers

[Warren]

evdberg we need a demuxer for evobs, do you know anything about the format?

[evdberg]

I normally do not point out to progs of the competition, but you might want to look here: http://www.dvd-logic.com/hddemuxer.htm

Personally I find it highly overpriced, but it might sell as long as there is nothing else. But maybe you can also simply demux using the good old VobEdit, I did not try this yet (I just have my Xbox360 drive!)

But yes, I do know a lot of the HD-DVD format, simply because it looks a lot like the DVD format. I always considered this a major advantage over BluRay. There are a lot of people out here that know the DVD format, and it will not take much time for them to master the HD-DVD format. At least not the basic format (as used for instance by Video Studio 10), the advanced format as used on commercial titles may be more work.

[Warren]

dvd-logic's demuxer doesn't seem to actually be for hd dvd's. It wants to open an IFO file which doesn't exist on HD DVD's

[evdberg]

dvd-logic's demuxer doesn't seem to actually be for hd dvd's.
It most likely only works with home made HD-DVDs, so disks of the 'basic' type. But why do you want to demux the stream?

[theturtle]

It most likely only works with home made HD-DVDs, so disks of the 'basic' type. But why do you want to demux the stream?

to convert to x264 or w/e I imagine

[evdberg]

to convert to x264 or w/e I imagine
Is there already a VC-1 decoder then?

[Warren]

so bbdmux seems to be able to demux the evo's into elementary streams of vc-1 and dolby digital plus. I have yet to find anything that will play a VC-1 elementary stream or a DDPlus elementary stream.

Any ideas?

[moshmothma]

so bbdmux seems to be able to demux the evo's into elementary streams of vc-1 and dolby digital plus. I have yet to find anything that will play a VC-1 elementary stream or a DDPlus elementary stream.

Any ideas?

I would imagine you could mux them into a wmv and then play. Although, I can get bbdmux to identify the streams it won't parse any out for me.

pack header field flag value not allowed in program streams

Have you actually been able to demux the streams?

[Easy123]

If you have Scenarist 4 installed you´ll be able to play at least the vc-1 stream and with the help of graphedit you can render the .evo with direct show filters..

[He-Man]

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[Warren]

You can't use the PowerDVD or WinDVD filters in graphedit :( At least they wouldn't work for me.

[Isochroma]

http://isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/EVOB-graphedit-1-sm.png (http://isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/EVOB-graphedit-1.png)
Click image for full size

This thread has been split from the BackupHDDVD thread, in order to keep that one on topic, and to provide a thread dedicated to the research, development, and testing of EVOB multiplexers and demultiplexers.

Background

▪ BackupHDDVD, a tool to decrypt AACS protected movies (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871)

Current Status

EVOB demultiplexers available:

Sonic Scenarist 4.1 (http://www.sonic.com/products/Professional/Scenarist/quicklook.aspx) (DirectShow filters)

License: Commerical Software
Capabilities: EVOB demux, audio problems

HD DVD Demuxer (http://www.dvd-logic.com/hddemuxer.htm)

License: Commercial software, $99.95 USD to buy
Capabilities: M2V, M1V, AC3, WAV, DTS, MPA, MLP, M4V

bbDMUX (http://members.cox.net/beyeler/bbmpeg.html)
License: free
Capabilities: MPEG 1,2 PS/TS demux (commandline only)
Verification:

▪ (extenal forum) Post 1
"buddies, the evo file is actually mpeg2 program stream.
bbdmux can demux it into vc1 ES and ddplus ES

bbdmux mainintro.evo 0xfd test.vc1
bbdmux mainintro.evo 0xbd test.ddp

bbdmux is a cmd line tool in bbtools with bbmpeg

anybody have vc1 and ddplus spec ?"

Success Stories

▪ (extenal forum) Posts (in chronological order)

McOnyx: YESSSS I DID IT!!! I've gotten this to play in MPC (Media Player Classic). The video plays perfectly the only thing is the Dolby DD Plus, that doesn't play. Have tried with the Cyberlink Audio Decoder Filter, but no success, maybe a WinDVD Audio can play the Dolby Plus stream! Maybe someone else will have more luck! I used the DShow filters from Sonic Scenarist 4.1, which come bundled with the prog. The right filters are: Sonic HD Demuxer and Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.1! From here i don't think it should be problem to use it in AVISynth, with DirectShowSource, but haven't tried it!

ArieW: Sonic HD-DVD DShow Filter dll's work pretty good. insane resolution/quality. this is a good step forward. thanks for the effort

svizzle: reencoding the mainintro.evo right now with graphedit

orbitlee: About the Sonic HDDemuxer, since nobody get audio, is it possible that this demux does not support DD+ ? Anybody have success on other demuxer?

hdtau: 1. yeah, sonic decoders work with mpc, at least video, but no audio, with sonic audio it freezes, with power dvd audio it plays, but still no sound..

McOnyx: Well i tried few more times but can't get the audio working through MPC with Sonic Decoders. I wonder does anyone know if these decoders even support Dolby Digital Plus? And is there any Dolby Plus decoder, other than PowerDVD and WinDVD. It would be awesome if someone would work on DD+ in FFDShow, maybe now when HD-DVD is cracked, someone will...

[moshmothma]

bbDMUX definitely did not work for me. Sonic looks great. However, the audio stream is only understood as 2 channel 35000khz.

[tonyp12]

On emule this 112mb EVO file shows how good a mpeg4 AVC
at 6Mbps encode can look like.

A 100 minute movie would fit on a 4.7GB DVD

ed2k://|file|Departed%20Trailer.EVO|118069248|454C310BC7DB35BF8C69E3AB7300507A|h=IJR3G253NYOBRDD2ALTGIXLTAWYLGCIW|/

This also a good file to play around with if you do not have a HDDVD drive to get access to EVO files.

[blutach]

I think you should start a new topic about demuxing etc. and keep it separate from this discussion about decryption.Done

Regards

[He-Man]

Done

Regards
Maybe you should merge this topic with the new topic already created by Isochroma (see his post with link above your post).
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=933891#post933891

[bond]

as .evo is .mpg what about all the freeware .mpg muxers/demuxer out there?

like ffmpeg or mplayer?

[Warren]

They try to demux it but don't do it properly since they don't fully understand EVOBs since EVOB is an extended/enhanced VOB

[Easy123]

BBDemux did work for me. I have two seperate streams, but the problem is handling vc-1 in order to reencode it and the dd plus stream, no app recognizes it properly.

[Warren]

BBDemux will leave all of the IME stuff in the video stream when you demux it - or at least that's what it seemed to me. It was corrupted none the less, but only for EVOBs with IME in it.

[bond]

They try to demux it but don't do it properly since they don't fully understand EVOBs since EVOB is an extended/enhanced VOBin what way does evo differ from mpg?

[Olebrumm71]

Hi!

@tonyp12: What audio-stream is in the departed.evo trailer you posted an eMule-hash for?

I downloaded the departed.evo trailer and it worked very well to play the file with both video and audio in graphedit, using the Sonic 4.1 DirectShowFilters

(the graph uses the Sonic HD Demuxer , Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.1 and Sonic Cinemaster MCE Audio Decoder 4.1 - it also worked for this EVO file to use the Cyberlink Audio Decoder (PDVD7) instead)

(I have Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.2 Ultra HD-DVD version installed if it should make any difference )

[orbitlee]

BBDemux will leave all of the IME stuff in the video stream when you demux it - or at least that's what it seemed to me. It was corrupted none the less, but only for EVOBs with IME in it.


For the m*.evo file, I made a compare as following
1. Use bbdmux to demux video to file
2. In graphedit, use Sonic HDDemux and file sink filter to save video to file

Two files are 100% match.

[orbitlee]

Hi!

@tonyp12: What audio-stream is in the departed.evo trailer you posted an eMule-hash for?

I downloaded the departed.evo trailer and it worked very well to play the file with both video and audio in graphedit, using the Sonic 4.1 DirectShowFilters

(the graph uses the Sonic HD Demuxer , Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.1 and Sonic Cinemaster MCE Audio Decoder 4.1 - it also worked for this EVO file to use the Cyberlink Audio Decoder (PDVD7) instead)

(I have Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.2 Ultra HD-DVD version installed if it should make any difference )


Could you please use PDVD 7.2 to playback the departed.evo and enable "Show information"? PDVD will display the video and audio format.

For m*.evo. In PDVD7.2, playback OK, it is VC1+DD Plus 768Kbps. In graphedit, with Sonic HD Demux, video is ok, graphedit hangs with sonic audio decoder, no audio at all with other audio decoder.

[Olebrumm71]

When playing back the 'departed trailer.evo' file in PowerDVD 7.2 using 'show information' it shows: DDPlus 5.1 448 kbps

For this file it also works fine to use ffdshow audio-decoder, and when playing the clip, the ffdshow audio-decoder reports 48Khz, 6 channel AC3 (maybe there is some sort of "backwards compatibility" in DD Plus letting older DD decoders also decode DD Plus streams but with "lower quality" ?? )


When playing the clip in fullscreen using PowerDVD 7.2 and hardware-acceleration enabled, the clip plays reasonable smooth on my AMD X2 3800+ with a Geforce 7300Gt graphics card.

But when I build a simple graph using the Cyberlink decoders in graphedit playback is no longer smooth. I guess this may be due to buffering issues or something, especially since I am experiencing stuttering with low CPU-usage. The graph I have used uses a simple File (Async) DirectShow filter. Any recommendations to what else I could use ?

[orbitlee]

When playing back the 'departed trailer.evo' file in PowerDVD 7.2 using 'show information' it shows: DDPlus 5.1 448 kbps

For this file it also works fine to use ffdshow audio-decoder, and when playing the clip, the ffdshow audio-decoder reports 48Khz, 6 channel AC3 (maybe there is some sort of "backwards compatibility" in DD Plus letting older DD decoders also decode DD Plus streams but with "lower quality" ?? )


When playing the clip in fullscreen using PowerDVD 7.2 and hardware-acceleration enabled, the clip plays reasonable smooth on my AMD X2 3800+ with a Geforce 7300Gt graphics card.

But when I build a simple graph using the Cyberlink decoders in graphedit playback is no longer smooth. I guess this may be due to buffering issues or something, especially since I am experiencing stuttering with low CPU-usage. The graph I have used uses a simple File (Async) DirectShow filter. Any recommendations to what else I could use ?


Which ffdshow version you are using? Which demux you are using? I can't hear anything with ffdshow audio decoder. :-(

[Olebrumm71]

For demuxing I am using the 'Sonic HD Demuxer' from Scenarist 4.1.

For ffdshow I am using 'ffdshow version Nov 8 2006'
(I also tested a graph using AC3Filter v1.01a instead of ffdshow Audio, and that worked as well )


NOTE: I have only tested this using the 'departed trailer.evo' file, which tonyp12 posted an eMule hash for earlier in this thread.

I do not own a hddvd-drive, so I am not able to use HDDVDBackup myself.

@tonyp12: Is the departed trailer.evo file you referred to earlier produced by HDDVDBackup?

[Dethis]

........
@tonyp12: Is the departed trailer.evo file you referred to earlier produced by HDDVDBackup?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=923593#post923593

[Isochroma]

New posts from some forum somewhere:

Somebody on silu found a solution to playback both vc1 video and dd+ audio in graphedit.
video: evo->sonic hd demux->sonic video decoder->video renderer
audio: evo->intervideo demux->intervideo audio decoder-audio renderer.
intervideo filters are from windvd 8 hd
I tried, it works.

Now the problem is, there are two file sources and two demuxers. if we have a tee fiter which support file source tee, it will looks like

evo->tee->sonic hd demux->...
|---->intervideo demux->...

We should be able to construct this in player instead of graphedit.
I tried windows built-in tee filters, they don't support file source. Any suggestions?

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yup, the Intervideo Demux filter works for the audio part.

This should work in ZoomPlayer if we managed to create a new profile. You just have to create a profile for VC-1 and tell the program to use Sonic Demux + Sonic Video DEcoder and a DDPlus profile and tell the program to use Intervideo Demux + Intervideo Audio Decoder. It should work!

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Holy shit! I got the video part working in Zoomplayer!

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I can also play the audio part in Zoomplayer... but we still have the same problem: I can't make the 2 demuxers work at the same time. That is, I can play audio or video, but not both at the same time. I'm sure it will be solver sooner or later, though.

[pyrates]

anyone managed to get the sound working yet in windows media player classic?

UPDATE: I downloaded the iso that was linked here of the departed and it played just fine in windvd 8. If I try to play the evo file directly, it seems to only play the video and not the audio, same as mpc. But if I open one of the ifo files, then it does play properly.

[Isochroma]

Note: If you have a VC-1 EVOB, see my Tutorial: Perfect VC-1 EVOB to .AVS Conversion (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=939698#post939698) for a frame-accurate method to demux, decode and serve VC-1 EVOBs into Avisynth.

All of you will be very pleased to know that I have in my posession a MKV file with both the original video stream of an .EVO (EVOB) in native AVC1 and audio in AC3. The avc plays with CoreAVC, and the audio with ffdshow.

There are no problems, seeking works absolutely perfectly, everything is a-ok with the streams. Oh, and playback uses at least 30-40% less CPU than playing the .EVO directly!

I will guide all those interested in replicating this achievement.

0. First, we need some software:

1. Graphedit (http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/showsoftware_graphedit_141.html#downloads)

2. Elecard MPEG-2 Decoder and Streaming Pack (http://www.elecard.com/products/product.php?product_id=149)

3. DVBPortal HDTV Reference Dump Filter (http://www.dvbportal.de/projects/hdtvdump/)

4. Yamb 1.6.0 (http://yamb.unite-video.com/download.html)

5. MKVToolnix 2.0.0 (http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-2.0.0-setup.exe)
(Important! You must update your MKVToolnix installation by copying the new files from the latest update package (http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre/mkvtoolnix-unicode-2.0.0-build20070117-1.rar) into your MKVToolnix folders, or the output fps will be wrong due to a bug in the 2.0.0 release)

1. We start by demultiplexing the AVC video stream to an elementary .264 file:

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/V-Step-01.png

To the left, we see the property sheet for the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer which, while not capable of reading the audio stream, can see the video stream. Connected to its output pin we find the secret sauce for my processes: the magic DVBPortal HDTV Dump filter. Make sure you name the file with a .264 extension.

2. Now we want to get that .264 Elementary Stream into a nice MKV. So the first thing one might do, is test the newly minted MKVToolnix Matroska Muxer 2.0.0, which is freshly imbued with AVC-ES support.

Alas, it works but the resultant MKV file is partially broken, and plays with all kinds of weird artifacts. So we are left with the tried and true Yamb, which does not disappoint!

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/V-Step-02.png

First and most importantly, we have to make sure to check the Enable Import Settings box, because the AVC-ES doesn't have a framerate. You'll have to have some idea what it is, because in the next step we'll enter it. A good place to start is always 23.976.

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/V-Step-03.png

In the above picture, in the Mux tab the Add button has been clicked, and the saved .264 file opened from a generic Open dialog window. After that happens, you are presented with the MP4Box Import Settings window, where you must enter a number in the Force FrameRate box; pictured here a value of 23.976 has been entered.

Press Ok on that button, then in the main window set a path/filename.mp4 in the Ouput line (last field). Then click Mux. An .mp4 file should appear in the location specified.

3. Next we grab the audio stream, using the Sonic demuxer this time:

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/A-Step-01.png

Again, we use the magic DVBPortal HDTV Dump Filter to write the .ac3 file. Remember, this is something a bit more than normal AC3, it is really Dolby Digital Plus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital_Plus). Strangely, this is the only way to make ffdshow or Gabest's internal (MPC) filter work perfectly. Believe me, I tried every other way - even the Sonic audio decoder wouldn't work with other methods.

Notice the little yellow clock inside the DVBPortal filter box. The Sonic HD Demuxer doesn't set timestamps on the frames it delivers, so you can't yet properly use it to demux video. Presumeably, it won't do this for audio either; smart sabotage or corner-cutting minimalist programming? I'll let you be the judge. Yet, the DVBPortal filter somehow manages to do without; perhaps it is adding the missing timestamps? Those in the know may reply to enlighten me on the topic.

4. Mux.

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/Final-Mux.png

Congratulations, you're done! Now pop some popcorn and watch the flick...

This method was easy because there's lots of support for de/remultiplexing AVC streams in free and paid software.

However, VC-1 remains the gaping hole in this process; the example trailer used here is atypical. MPEG-2 should be pretty easy, at least.

To finish, some links to the development processes which are most likely to yield a VC-1 bridge:

▪ How to demux VC1 elementary stream from WMV file? (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119102)
▪ Mux VC1 on WMV (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119785)
▪ Muxing VC-1 in ASF ("http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120407)
▪ Muxing and demuxing vc-1 ("http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119246)

The first idea is to use the DVBDF to get a VC-1 ES, then using the nascent tool(s), mux to wmv. Then once we have WMV, either Gabest's or Haali's MKV DS muxers will put it into MKV. Now is the time to visit the threads below and help/encourage the developers to move in this direction; also, I will suggest to the developer of MKVToolnix to add VC-1 support.

The benefits of MKV encapsulation are significant: greater compatibility, smaller size, far better performance, easy manipulation, etc. Matroska is ultimately the Main St. of containers, so if we can get those juicy streams out of their cliquey container and into the common man's space, then many more possibilities will open up.

PS. Please PM me if you need more detailed instructions/help with the software used in this guide.

[woah!]

the elecard demultiplexer might work on that rogue evo trailer, but it doesnt work here on any evo dumped from a proper disc. is there anywhere else other than emule i can try out that file to see if that is correct?

[Isochroma]

When posting problems, please, please provide more detailed references!

When you say it 'doesn't work' what do you mean? Exactly what happens in GraphEdit?

Also, what's the video stream format, AVC, VC-1 or MPEG-2? The process above will only work for AVC video streams.

[mixanobios]

as i see it the problem now is muxing vc-1 to mkv. i have been able to demux vc-1 with bbdemux and audio with sonic hd demuxer but i cannot mux vc-1 into mkv. i hope mkv developers have some free time :D

[DeathMonk]

Hmm.. Why not just convert the vc-1, etc to an uncompressed format with graphedit, the do what you want with it.

[first post yay]

[madshi]

Hmm.. Why not just convert the vc-1, etc to an uncompressed format with graphedit, the do what you want with it.
Because uncompressed is much too space hungry. You would have to reencode the video in the end. And reencoding is always a bad idea for image quality. VC-1 is a quite good encoder. So there's no real reason to reencode except if you want to have a smaller file size with less image quality.

[Warren]

Again, we use the magic DVBPortal HDTV Dump Filter to write the .ac3 file. Remember, this is something a bit more than normal AC3, it is really Dolby Digital Plus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital_Plus). Strangely, this is the only way to make ffdshow or Gabest's internal (MPC) filter work perfectly. Believe me, I tried every other way - even the Sonic audio decoder wouldn't work with other methods.

Are you sure this trailer actually uses DD+? Trying your steps here doesn't produce an ac3 file that is compatible with ac3filter.

[Isochroma]

Please, reread my guide. I'm using ffdshow's ac3 decoder... your statement is itself revealing. If the file was a normal AC3, it would be compatible with AC3Filter, wouldn't it?

So yes, the file produced is an E-AC3, and it so happens that ffdshow audio decoder filter can handle it, while AC3Filter cannot.

[Gradius]

What about subtitles? They're a must to me.

Any solution for Dolby DD Plus too ? I believe any 6.1, 7.1 (DTS HD too), will have some problem, right?

[mixanobios]

i think mkv format must be able to mux all hddvd-blueray formats

[Warren]

Isochroma: Can you build a graph in graphedit to play the .ac3 file you demuxed?

[Warren]

Can anyone confirm any part of isochroma's howto? I've tried it exactly but with an EVOB containing VC-1 & DDPlus and nothing works. When muxing into an mkv it says the ac3 is in an unknown format and won't mux it.

[honai]

Yes, I can confirm it. Here's the chain:

*.EVO -> Sonic HD Demuxer -> ffdshow Audio Decoder

Alternatively:

*.EVO -> MPEG-2 Demultiplexer -> ffdshow Audio Decoder

Make sure to set "Output -> AC3 [640]" in ffdshow Audio Decoder.

As far as I understand the technical documentation at Dolby Labs E-AC3 contains an AC3-compatible core, and ffdshow doesn't seem to have constraints regarding input bitrate, so it just recodes to AC3@640kbit.

CORRECTION:

Checked the output of a well-known movie's DD+ track, contains only garbage, so it seems that while ffdshow may be able to transmux the audio it doesn't do anything meaningful with it.

[Isochroma]

Yes, MKV can hold any format, but the available muxers cannot necessarily deal with certain streams.

First, there are three muxers that can put streams into MKV:

1. Gabest's DirectShow muxer
2. Haali's Directshow muxer
3. MKVToolnix

HD-DVD can store three types of video stream:

MPEG-2: MKVToolnix may be able to mux MPEG-2 ES, but probably not yet. Gabest & Haali are untested.

VC-1: MKVToolnix does not yet support VC-1. Gabest & Haali are untested.

H264: Theoretically all three muxers could do it. But in my experiments, the output of the Elecard MPEG demuxer dumped with the DVB dump filter, could only be successfully muxed by first muxing into MP4 using Yamb, then using MKVToolnix. Mosu is looking at the issue and so MKVToolnix might soon be able to handle this type of ES, which would eliminate the Yamb step.

Haali's should take the Yamb MP4 and mux it ok, Gabest's is probably a bit too old to mux AVC natively.

As for audio, the Sonic demuxer and DVB dump filter work OK, and the stream muxes with MKVToolnix just fine. But: the decoder matters, since this is an E-AC3. It looks like AC3Filter won't work, so you need to be using ffdshow's AC3 decoder filter.

[Isochroma]

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/ac3-t1.png

http://www.isochroma.com/Testfiles/Misc/doom9/ac3-t2.png

@Warren: Yes, it plays perfectly. Remember, I have ffdshow set to decode AC3, and no other AC3 decoder is installed.

@honai: My ffdshow is decoding straight to raw stereo audio, no transcoding is involved.

[honai]

Here's what my graphedit looks like:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/434/screenshotoa8.th.png (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotoa8.png)

The input stream isn't being properly recognized: "stereo 192kbps ac3". So I wonder how you extracted the 6 channel stream in your example. Or did you use Cyberlink's Audio Decoder in there somewhere to do the downmixing?

[Warren]

What is that ac3 parser filter you're using?

[Isochroma]

@honai: you're trying to play the audio portion directly. Use the DVB dump filter as in the example. Then see how it renders the AC3 file produced.

@Warren: when you render an AC3 file in graphedit, the system's AC3 parser filter is used. It comes with Windows.

[honai]

@Isochroma

No, I'm using the DVB HDTV Dump filter, it's the box to the right. ffdshow says "S/PDIF" only because it doesn't know how to parse the input.

Which movie audio streams did you successfully convert using your method?

[Warren]

Hrm i don't seem to have it, what is the filename listed as?