EVOB De/Multiplexers

[Eastermeyer]

I demuxed a vc1-stream with the demux tool offered here,then i try to mux it into mkv with Haali , but this process is taking a incredible long time , is that normal ?

[Ginsonic]

Is it only possible to play the mkv-files (video only) created with isochromas method with Sonic filters or do other working DirectShow filters (e.g. from WinDVD, PowerDVD) exist ?

[Eastermeyer]

Anyone managed to compile ffmpeg with the E-AC3 Patch ?

[Warren]

Yes but it only allows for detection and demuxing of an E-AC3 stream, not decoding.

[planet1]

@drmpeg

Thx for this great tool :) .

Since it already supports EVOBs and VOBs, how about adding the capability to demux AOBs as found on DVD-Audio ?

regards

[chros]

here's what i used as a test for reencoding an .evo to x264/HE-AAC. you can also do AC3 using the FFMPEG encoder megui comes with.
some problems i had are you have to specify the number of frames manually (you can determine this using virtualdub) and seeking with large files takes ages (hence disabling the preview in megui). to get 5.1 output you need to set your speakers to 5.1 in windows audio properties and then set it to 5.1 in the intervideo decoder in the graph.
there might be some avisynth settings to fix this, or maybe a better demuxer.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2826/hddvdencoding4du.png
Can anyone confirm the correct channel number/mapping in the audio conversion part?

[holzi]

I didn't get any audio out of it. :)
So I don't know. I just wait until a better demuxxer and decoder comes around.

[mixanobios]

the above audio graph does not work for Movie Equilibrium. Just sent a sample to demux author for him to have a look :)

[lordx]

When using a graph or player to render evo files, how to choose audio track ? If we have 2 or 3 audio tracks on the evo file, how to select track 2 or 3 ?

I've the same problem using software when playing decrypted evo files, PDVD6.5 for exemple, unable to select audio track .... :confused:

[chros]

@lordx: you can't that's why we need demux ...

I have been playing around Serenity' mianintro.evo and ape's idea, and it seems that Sonic filters is defenetly output 24 fps !

graph:
mainintro.evo -> sonic demuxer -> sonic video decoder

avs:
DirectShowSource("MAININTRO.grf", audio=false, fps=24, seek=true, seekzero=false, framecount=1550)
LanczosResize(1280,720)
ConvertToYV12()
Info()

So it gives the 01:04:528 time, which is good.

Q: How do we know if it produce the correct frames?
A: try a larger framecount value (eg: 2300), and see that after the intro (01:04:528) it gives us grey color picture !!!

So the tricky part is how we get the correct framecount ! Maybe ape can help us in this.
If you give smaller framecount value it cuts the stream at the given point... It's okay with single files, but not with multiple evos :( So we must know the correct framecount ...

I'll try this method with Serenity feauture_1.evo to see if it's correct ...

[honai]

I don't quite see the problem. The framecount is simply calculated from the .XPL timestamps and the framerate, or am I missing something here?

[chros]

The framecount is simply calculated from the .XPL timestamps and the framerate ...
How ?

if an XPL file contains this:
...
<TitleSet timeBase="60fps" tickBase="24fps" ...
...
<Title titleNumber="1" alternativeSDDisplayMode="letterbox" titleDuration="01:58:54:22" ...
What is the framecount?

[honai]

257638 frames.

EDIT:

Doh. Should've used Google calc right away. See below.

[mixanobios]

if it is 1h, 58m, 54s, 220ms then its 7134.22sec
@24fps, thats 171221,8 frames (give or take :P)

for 257638 frames we need a movie of 2 h, 58m, 54s, 916ms, which is about an hour less than titleduration.

so please stop using Calc for windows!!!

[Rufus210]

Anyone tried the FFMPEG patches that add EVBO and E-AC3 (DD+) support?
http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-January/051024.html
http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-January/051073.html

I finally got around to trying these patches (just grab the SVN of ffmpeg and then apply the 3 patches). They work, mostly. Here's one working output:
$ ./ffmpeg -i DELSCENE1.EVO -acodec copy -vcodec copy DELSCENE1.avi
FFmpeg version SVN-r7676, Copyright (c) 2000-2006 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration:
libavutil version: 49.2.0
libavcodec version: 51.29.0
libavformat version: 51.8.0
built on Jan 23 2007 17:04:42, gcc: 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)
Input #0, mpeg, from 'DELSCENE1.EVO':
Duration: 00:00:29.8, start: 0.037278, bitrate: 7487 kb/s
Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480, 9800 kb/s, 29.97 fps(r)
Stream #0.1[0xc1]: Audio: 0x0000, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s
Stream #0.2[0xc0]: Audio: 0x0000, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s
Stream #0.3[0x22]: Subtitle: dvdsub
Stream #0.4[0x21]: Subtitle: dvdsub
Output #0, avi, to 'DELSCENE1.avi':
Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480, q=2-31, 9800 kb/s, 29.97 fps(c)
Stream #0.1: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s
Stream mapping:
Stream #0.0 -> #0.0
Stream #0.1 -> #0.1
Press [q] to stop encoding
frame= 896 q=1141135.2 Lsize= 25845kB time=29.9 bitrate=7089.7kbits/s
video:25092kB audio:700kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.204367%
The resulting AVI plays fine with mplayer and can be re-encoded to whatever you want.

It can parse EVOs with VC1 streams in it, but it can't write them properly. This is the output from an EVO with VC1:
$ ./ffmpeg -i sample.evo -acodec copy -vcodec copy sample.avi
FFmpeg version SVN-r7676, Copyright (c) 2000-2006 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration:
libavutil version: 49.2.0
libavcodec version: 51.29.0
libavformat version: 51.8.0
built on Jan 23 2007 17:04:42, gcc: 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)

Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: inf (1/0) -> 90000.00 (90000/1)
Input #0, mpeg, from 'sample.evo':
Duration: 00:00:10.6, start: 0.038278, bitrate: 11808 kb/s
Stream #0.0[0xfd55]: Video: vc1, 90000.00 fps(r)
Stream #0.1[0xc3]: Audio: 0x0000, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s
Stream #0.2[0xc2]: Audio: 0x0000, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 768 kb/s
Stream #0.3[0xc1]: Audio: 0x0000, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 768 kb/s
Stream #0.4[0xc0]: Audio: 0x0000, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 1536 kb/s
Output #0, avi, to 'sample.avi':
Stream #0.0: Video: 0x0000, q=2-31, 90000.00 fps(c)
Stream #0.1: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s
Stream mapping:
Stream #0.0 -> #0.0
Stream #0.1 -> #0.1
[avi @ 0x843f914]dimensions not set
Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec parameters ?)

@drmpeg: do you think you can look at this a bit since you have a fully working decoder? Once ffmpeg (libavcodec) fully supports EVOs it'll propagate out to a huge number of other project (mplayer, xine, ffdshow, etc). Thanks!

[edo1080]

Just to unterstand: does the demux process cause any losso of video quality in the file? Is the video stream left unaltered by this process? How to join the 2 video files coming from demuxing?

[toxik]

hey guys is installing scenarist the only way you can get the codecs to work? I'm having trouble installing the program, as soon as I open setup.exe it gives me an error saying that my configuration does not support any of the included products.

[oberon]

Toxik
Are you trying to install under vista. When I tried I got the same error so I just installed it on an other box

[toxik]

no, xp media center.... what's more odd is that I had it installed before, under this system. I uninstalled it later and want to get it again just for the codecs.

[moshmothma]

no, xp media center.... what's more odd is that I had it installed before, under this system. I uninstalled it later and want to get it again just for the codecs.

I couldn't install on media center either.
Normal Xp worked fine.

[Badness]

I finally got around to trying these patches (just grab the SVN of ffmpeg and then apply the 3 patches). They work, mostly. Here's one working output:
[code]$ ./ffmpeg -i DELSCENE1.EVO -acodec copy -vcodec copy DELSCENE1.avi



In order to compile this you need a c compiler dont you? I doubt most of the people trying to test this have a compiler installed.

[Eastermeyer]

Rufus210 can you upload the binaries for us ?

[drmpeg]

i've got a problem with a movie called Equilibrium i just backed up. Its a H264 DD+ HD DVD. I have been able to demux the video track and remux it into a mkv following Isochroma's guide. I have also managed to demux Audio tracks 2 and 3, which are directors comments, and they play and mux into mkv correctly.

The problem is that i cannot correctly demux the main movie audio track, or the second audio track. although demux.exe finds 4 audio tracks, and demuxes all of them, only the last two are playable (the directors comments ones).the 2 first ones (900+mb and 200mb, from a 10G .evo), seem to be video tracks, and when imported into graphedit, sonic demuxer comes in, connects with ffdshow and outputs direct show audio, which doesnt play anything.

furthermore, i have been unable to demux main audio by using Intervideo Demultiplexer, because it is unable to connect with intervideo audio decoder, and if i connect it to HDTV dump it spits out the directors comments audio.

Edit: i can upload samples if you want, just pm me
I've taken a look at the demuxed audio files, and they look okay to me. However, I don't have a DD+ decoder to verify them with. The two tracks that do work, seem to be normal 192 kbps AC-3 that decode fine with whatever AC-3 decoder I have on my Windows XP box (I'm not really sure which one it is!).

The bitrate for track 1 is 448 kbps. The bitrate for track 0 (the primary audio) is 2.048 Mbps.

Ron

[chros]

if it is 1h, 58m, 54s, 220ms then its 7134.22sec
@24fps, thats 171221,8 frames (give or take :P)
Are you sure that the last part of the timecode ( titleDuration="01:58:54:22" ) (the 22) is milliseconds?

see this quetion, and the following answer ... (I haven't got any answer regarding this question)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=942481#post942481

Thanks

[honai]

The last part is rather a fraction of the timeBase attribute, i.e. in this case 22/60 seconds.

[mikeathome]

hey guys is installing scenarist the only way you can get the codecs to work? I'm having trouble installing the program, as soon as I open setup.exe it gives me an error saying that my configuration does not support any of the included products.

Hi,
Scenarist does not allow install on XP Home (MCE ?). Send me a PM and I will give you a workarround).

mike

[holzi]

JFYI
E-AC3 demux patch included in ffmpg.
http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg?view=rev&revision=7687

[Sirber]

the EVO patches posted earlier are .obj. Cannot compile that under win32 no?

[chros]

The last part is rather a fraction of the timeBase attribute, i.e. in this case 22/60 seconds.
Well, I think not so: 22/60 = 0,36667
But: 22/60*24 = 8,8 , but in this case the given number isn't integer too ... :)

I have viewed some XPL file, and the last part (22) never went above 60 ... (of course it can be coincidence)

I have asked it, because Serenity's XPL file reports it as : 01:58:54:22 , but if I'm playing just the decrypted 2 evos in PowerDVD 6.5:
feature_1.evo duration: 01:09:13
feature_1.evo duration: 00:49:47
sum: 01:59:00

So there is something really strange going on here ...

[Rufus210]

Rufus210 can you upload the binaries for us ?
Sorry, I'm using Linux and I assume most of you are on Windows, so my binaries wouldn't do you much good.
JFYI
E-AC3 demux patch included in ffmpg.
http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg?view=rev&revision=7687
Cool, but it doesn't seem like the EVBO patch was accepted, so you'll still need the first patch I linked to.
the EVO patches posted earlier are .obj. Cannot compile that under win32 no?
That's just an artifact of the mailing list. They're actually just standard text .diff's. I'm pretty sure you can compile ffmpeg under windows, but I've never done it so I'm not much help.

[3ngel]

A little recap about the audio.

Actually the only decoder capable of decoding DD+ is PowerDVD (either in 2.0 and 5.1)?

[Sirber]

http://arrozcru.no-ip.org/ffmpeg_builds/

C:\Documents and Settings\berste01\Bureau\ffmpeg>ffmpeg.exe -i INTRO.EVO
FFmpeg version SVN-r7409, Copyright (c) 2000-2006 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration: --extra-cflags=-I/static/include --extra-ldflags=-L/static/lib
--enable-memalign-hack --enable-shared --disable-static --enable-mp3lame --enab
le-xvid --enable-a52 --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-faac --enable-faad
--enable-x264 --enable-pp --enable-amr_wb --enable-amr_nb --enable-avisynth --e
nable-dts --enable-libgsm --enable-swscaler --enable-libnut --enable-gpl --enabl
e-w32threads
libavutil version: 49.1.0
libavcodec version: 51.28.0
libavformat version: 51.7.0
built on Jan 6 2007 14:07:22, gcc: 3.4.6
Input #0, mpeg, from 'INTRO.EVO':
Duration: N/A, start: 0.037600, bitrate: N/A
Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480, 9800 kb/s, 29.97 fps(
r)
Stream #0.1[0x22]: Subtitle: dvdsub
Stream #0.2[0x21]: Subtitle: dvdsub
Must supply at least one output file

:D

ffplay.exe: works
PowerDVD: invalid drivers

[mixanobios]

I've taken a look at the demuxed audio files, and they look okay to me. However, I don't have a DD+ decoder to verify them with. The two tracks that do work, seem to be normal 192 kbps AC-3 that decode fine with whatever AC-3 decoder I have on my Windows XP box (I'm not really sure which one it is!).

The bitrate for track 1 is 448 kbps. The bitrate for track 0 (the primary audio) is 2.048 Mbps.

Ron


the problem with track 0 and 1 is that they are recognised as video tracks in mkvmerge gui, and are not decoded by anything i got. Also when i import them into graphedit they are treated like evo's without a video part(sonic hd demuxer pops in, gives only an audio output that is given to ffdshow, that of cource doenst output any audio when i press play)

Can you confirm that they are in fact legitimate dd+ audio tracks that are not recognised correctly, or there is some other problem here?

[woah!]

http://arrozcru.no-ip.org/ffmpeg_builds/

C:\Documents and Settings\berste01\Bureau\ffmpeg>ffmpeg.exe -i INTRO.EVO
FFmpeg version SVN-r7409, Copyright (c) 2000-2006 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration: --extra-cflags=-I/static/include --extra-ldflags=-L/static/lib
--enable-memalign-hack --enable-shared --disable-static --enable-mp3lame --enab
le-xvid --enable-a52 --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-faac --enable-faad
--enable-x264 --enable-pp --enable-amr_wb --enable-amr_nb --enable-avisynth --e
nable-dts --enable-libgsm --enable-swscaler --enable-libnut --enable-gpl --enabl
e-w32threads
libavutil version: 49.1.0
libavcodec version: 51.28.0
libavformat version: 51.7.0
built on Jan 6 2007 14:07:22, gcc: 3.4.6
Input #0, mpeg, from 'INTRO.EVO':
Duration: N/A, start: 0.037600, bitrate: N/A
Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480, 9800 kb/s, 29.97 fps(
r)
Stream #0.1[0x22]: Subtitle: dvdsub
Stream #0.2[0x21]: Subtitle: dvdsub
Must supply at least one output file

:D

ffplay.exe: works
PowerDVD: invalid drivers


doesnt work here on king kong feature evo. i dont see how a build from 6th jan can work? would be nice to get a compiled version 7687, but it seems no-one can help most of us who arent compilers.

[Sirber]

dunno why the old build worked. Audio didn't work, but image did :)

[Neo Fagin]

For what it's worth, the DTSHD track on Sleepy Hollow demuxed as just regular 1.5mbps DTS-ES. I believe Chronicles of Riddick also demuxes in a similar manner.

Z:\demux>demux z:\sleepyhollow\HDDVD_TS\FEATURE_1.EVO nul g:\audio.dts dtshd 1
VC-1 Video Stream found!
DTSHD Audio Stream number 1 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 4 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 3 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 2 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 0 found!

01/24/2007 10:53 PM 530,367,224 audio.dts

This audio plays back through AC3filter fine and is detected as regular old DTS. Dunno what other discs this works on. Perhaps DTSHD is not yet implemented and the DTSHD track is just regular DTS, or demux is intelligently picking the 1.5mbps elementary DTS stream that's supposed to be in all DTSHD tracks for backwards compatibility out.

Either way there's working audio that muxes into any container fine and is already synced to 24fps.

[drmpeg]

For what it's worth, the DTSHD track on Sleepy Hollow demuxed as just regular 1.5mbps DTS-ES. I believe Chronicles of Riddick also demuxes in a similar manner.

Z:\demux>demux z:\sleepyhollow\HDDVD_TS\FEATURE_1.EVO nul g:\audio.dts dtshd 1
VC-1 Video Stream found!
DTSHD Audio Stream number 1 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 4 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 3 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 2 found!
DD+ Audio Stream number 0 found!

01/24/2007 10:53 PM 530,367,224 audio.dts

This audio plays back through AC3filter fine and is detected as regular old DTS. Dunno what other discs this works on. Perhaps DTSHD is not yet implemented and the DTSHD track is just regular DTS, or demux is intelligently picking the 1.5mbps elementary DTS stream that's supposed to be in all DTSHD tracks for backwards compatibility out.

Either way there's working audio that muxes into any container fine and is already synced to 24fps.

The HD-DVD specification doesn't distinguish between normal DTS and DTSHD in the multiplexed stream. The sub_stream_id is 10001xxxb (where xxx is the track number) for all types of DTS.

demux is definitely not smart enough to pick out core audio from advanced audio codecs (although that would be a nice feature!).

Ron

[holzi]

dunno why the old build worked. Audio didn't work, but image did :)

I guess the old build works because the evo contains a mpeg2 Video.

[Neo Fagin]

I do get a lot of "short audio packet" errors with demux, not sure if these are semifatal errors that affect the quality of the stream or not.

[JnZ]

Today I just converted DD+ audio to 6ch WAVE. Procedure is very simple.

Note: You need Intervideo Dshow filters (I use from WinDVD 8).

In graphedit, put file source(async) and open EVO. Next, drag this dshow filters: Intervideo Demultiplexer, Intervideo Audio decoder, Intervideo Video Decoder, and last thing, you need Dump.ax. It can be found, just use method like gugling. :-) Place Dump filter and select file for output audio.

Next connect pin from EVO to Demultiplexer, from Demultiplexer video pin to Video decoder and audio pin to audio decoder. From audio decoder you've got pure PCM signal (2ch or 6ch, depends on setting). Last thing, connect out from audio decoder to dump file.

Switch Intervideo audio decoder to 6ch mode.
Important thing: You need switch you soundcard to 6-channel mode to got 6ch audio (coz Intervideo Audio decoder can be switched to 6ch mode only if soundcard is set to 6ch).

Press play btn to render audio file.

At now You have 6ch raw PCM audio file. Rename it to something like "xxx.pcm". Open this PCM in besweet and select output 16-bit 6ch wave. Convert it and you have 6ch WAVE. :)

And at the end, convert this WAVE to the format you like (AC3, DTS, AAC, OGG, etc...)

EDIT: After many tests I discovered serious bug in IVI decoder, it decodes stereo and clones to all channels... so don't take this post serious. :(

[drmpeg]

I do get a lot of "short audio packet" errors with demux, not sure if these are semifatal errors that affect the quality of the stream or not.
It's a debug message I left in for the version 0.3 release. It fixes the problems folks reported where there was huge chunks of video missing, or it created a 2 Gbyte file.

It has to do with short audio PES packets that don't have a PES header and don't have a sub_stream_id. Discarding these packets appears to be the correct thing to do.

I've noticed that some titles have this and some don't, which makes me think it's some kind of authoring issue. It may also have to do with DTS being present. The DVD that I debugged the issue on was "Hedwig and the Angry Inch", which also had a DTS track

Do you only see the "short audio packet" message on titles with DTS?

Ron

[Fels]

Today I just converted DD+ audio to 6ch WAVE. Procedure is very simple.

Note: You need Intervideo Dshow filters (I use from WinDVD 8).
Are you sure it works properly?
It surely is a 6ch output, but (at least here) it seems like an upcoverted 2ch signal.
I can here voices coming from all the speakers...

[JnZ]

Are you sure it works properly?
It surely is a 6ch output, but (at least here) it seems like an upcoverted 2ch signal.
I can here voices coming from all the speakers...
EDIT3: I take back every I wrote here. It seems that Intervideo decode only stereo, and clone it to all channels. I discovered this after comparing levels of sound in Cyberlink PowerDVD and this.

[Hvidgaard]

not having read every post, am I correct if we are as far as we can demux video and audio, but need VC-1 and DD+ decoders?

And what about subs? can they be extracted and made to subpictures that can be muxed into an mkv?

I'm watching this tread closely as I would love to make some full 720p backups of my HD-DVDs :D

[holzi]

not having read every post, am I correct if we are as far as we can demux video and audio, but need VC-1 and DD+ decoders?

And what about subs? can they be extracted and made to subpictures that can be muxed into an mkv?

I'm watching this tread closely as I would love to make some full 720p backups of my HD-DVDs :D

Subs are not demuxxed yet. And Yes we need a VC-1 and DD+ decoder.

[dchard]

I tried 0,3 on Batman Begins.

The program identifies the one VC-1, the three DD+, and the one MLP stream correct.

I extracted all the streams in the first main evob.

I tried to play it in PDVD 7.2 and MPC as well, but I can't got any of them working.

I think I try graphedit later.

Dchard

[kuklitis]

What is the easiest way to tell about video codecs that is applied to HD-DVD *.EVOB file (VC-1 or AVC) and Blu-Ray *.m2ts file (MPEG2 or AVC) ?
I there some freeware or small utility that can find out these things ?

[Rufus210]

not having read every post, am I correct if we are as far as we can demux video and audio, but need VC-1 and DD+ decoders?

And what about subs? can they be extracted and made to subpictures that can be muxed into an mkv?

I'm watching this tread closely as I would love to make some full 720p backups of my HD-DVDs :D
Initial FFMPEG patches for subtitle support: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-January/051403.html

Once these ffmpeg patches are finalized players like VLC will be able to directly play the EVO, with subtitles and switching audio tracks working natively.

[Sirber]

Nice work guys! :D

[sjchmura]

Has anyone compiled these patches into an "unofficial" FFMPEG release?