EVOB De/Multiplexers

[madshi]

Well, another DD+ decoder. So we know Intervideo audio decoder outputs 2.0 instead of 5.1.
asasadad_1 mentioned that Sonic decoder pack can work with EVOB/VC1/DD+ at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962436#post962436

I tried sonic decoder pack on two PCs, works on one PC, does not work on another PC. No idea what's wrong.

Anyway, I modified DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter which can work with sonic audio decoder. The source filter I posted a few pages eariler does not work(need small tweak). I'm pretty sure the output is real 5.1. You may want to give it a try
http://www.sendspace.com/file/knvhiz
Thank you! Does your new tweaked filter work with both Intervideo and Sonic now? Or does it now work for Sonic but not for Intervideo, anymore?

Another question: Is there a possibility to decode the DD+ track with Sonic and then dump the 5.1 channels into wav files somehow?

Thanks!

[kolak]

I think that 1,509 Mbps DTS is the best sounding multichannel signal that can be sent over an S/PDIF interface (please correct me if I'm wrong here). If that is the case it's what I would like on most backups if the source has a lossless audio track.

That is true. That is the best what you can get over SPDIF for 5.1.
PCM can be only 2.0.
New codecs (or PCM multichannel) only over HDMI (over ver 1.1 or 1.2-I'm not sure). There is also iLink, but this is different story.

[zgx]

That is true. That is the best what you can get over SPDIF for 5.1.
PCM can be only 2.0.
New codecs (or PCM multichannel) only over HDMI (over ver 1.1 or 1.2-I'm not sure). There is also iLink, but this is different story.HDMI 1.1 adds support for DVD Audio.

HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI


It seams you can use HDMI 1.1 and 1.2 if the computer decodes the DTS-HD stream and then outputs it to the receiver as a linear PCM.

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-master-audio-with-existing-receiver.php

[Jan2001]

Try loading your 2.0 wav into filesource(sync), then click-right on the output pin and render it. Just keep the first two filters and delete the rest. Then try to connect the leftover output pin to the IntervideoAudioProcessorFx filter.

WAVdest.ax is part of the graphedit pack. You just have to register it in a DOS-like window:
regsvr32.exe wavdest.ax

Jack

Ok, your process works when using 2-channel output for "intervideo audio processor fx". When I select 6-channel output, the output is just crap.

[Pelican9]

I’ve been looking into MLP track, it’s not a regular MLP as it was in DVD- Audio.

A bunch of DVD Audio authoring software out there wouldn’t recognize the MLP extracted with EVODemux. I think it’s encapsulated into Dolby TrueHD format somehow and as we know, there is no Dolby TrueHD software decoder yet.

If we’ll be able somehow decode this track, we would be able to encode it to another lossless multichannel codec like FLAC or WMA and add it to a new container, and play on computer without HDMI.

Yes, the two things are not the same.
EVOdemux can differentiate the MLP and the Dolby TrueHD streams.
The stream on the HD DVD flagged usually as "Dolby TrueHD" (stream_id: $b0..$b7) can contain a standard MLP stream or a real TrueHD stream.

Standard MLP (on a DVD Audio):

MLP audio stream 1 found!
First PTS = 00000294
Substream id = A1
Standard MLP stream (up to 6 channels)
Quantization length = 24 bits
Sampling frequency = 96 kHz
Channel arrangement = Lf + Rf + Ls + Rs + C + LFE
Dynamic range control = -10,6371 dB .. 8,4282 dB


TrueHD (on a HD DVD):

Dolby TrueHD audio stream 1 found!
First PTS = 00000D8E
Substream id = B1
TrueHD stream (up to 8 channels)
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
2 ch. decoder
channel modifier = 1
6 ch. decoder
channel modifier = 1
channel arrangement = Lf + Rf + Ls + Rs + C + LFE
8 ch. decoder
channel modifier = 1
channel arrangement = Lf + Rf + Ls + Rs + C + LFE
Dynamic range control = -10,6371 dB .. 8,4282 dB

[Jack-Bauer]

Ok, your process works when using 2-channel output for "intervideo audio processor fx". When I select 6-channel output, the output is just crap.

Of course its crap...unless you follow the instructions:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57736

Just selecting 6 channels is far not enough...

Jack

[Hwindu]

Yes, the two things are not the same.
EVOdemux can differentiate the MLP and the Dolby TrueHD streams.
The stream on the HD DVD flagged usually as "Dolby TrueHD" (stream_id: $b0..$b7) can contain a standard MLP stream or a real TrueHD stream.




Interesting, I didn’t have a clue. Like it said here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD
Dolby TrueHD is Based on MLP it’s not an actual MLP stream.

So it means that no MLP decoder will be able to decode Dolby TrueHD and a new software decoder is required.

I guess there won’t be any commercial decoder packed into one of the HD-DVD software players because they must use HDMI 1.3?

[zgx]

Interesting, I didn’t have a clue. Like it said here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD
Dolby TrueHD is Based on MLP it’s not an actual MLP stream.

So it means that no MLP decoder will be able to decode Dolby TrueHD and a new software decoder is required.

I guess there won’t be any commercial decoder packed into one of the HD-DVD software players because they must use HDMI 1.3?My PowerDVD 6.5 HD displays a Dolby TrueHD logo when I start it up and I think I have played Dolby TrueHD soundtracks with it (I get a warning first but then it plays and a high bitrate is seen in the statistics).

You can read from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD that "HD DVD players must be able to decode the new lossless audio codec Dolby True HD, but this is optional for Blu-ray players."

The easiest way to play these new audio formats is to decode them on the actual player/computer and then transfer the analog audio to your receiver with the help of 6 RCA cables. You can read more about this alternative to HDMI on http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-master-audio-with-existing-receiver.php.

[kolak]

PowerDVD 6.5 or 7.1 decodes TrueHD. You can connect your analog sound card outputs to receiver and enjoy lossless multichannel sound:)

For typicall movie (5.1 24bit/48kHz) avg. bitrate is about 3.5mbit with 5mbit peak.

[Hwindu]

PowerDVD 6.5 or 7.1 decodes TrueHD. You can connect your analog sound card outputs to receiver and enjoy lossless multichannel sound:)

For typicall movie (5.1 24bit/48kHz) avg. bitrate is about 3.5mbit with 5mbit peak.

:confused: it didn’t work for me, I can't play the demuxed TrueHD stream in either players, when I try to play from the HD-DVD drive I can only use PowerDVD 6.5 (no HDMI) and it does not decode the TrueHD stream (only the DD+).

All I really want is to decode the stream in GraphEdit and re-encode it to another lossless codec and use it with the vc-1 video in another container.

Any ideas?

[kolak]

Sorry, but I was talking about playing the full movie, not elementary track.
I think nobody haven't done that, yet:(

[Hwindu]

Sorry, but I was talking about playing the full movie, not elementary track.
I think it hasn't been done, yet:(

sure, i know. but thanks for your help :thanks:

[MichalHabart]

Well, another DD+ decoder. So we know Intervideo audio decoder outputs 2.0 instead of 5.1.
asasadad_1 mentioned that Sonic decoder pack can work with EVOB/VC1/DD+ at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962436#post962436

I tried sonic decoder pack on two PCs, works on one PC, does not work on another PC. No idea what's wrong.

Anyway, I modified DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter which can work with sonic audio decoder. The source filter I posted a few pages eariler does not work(need small tweak). I'm pretty sure the output is real 5.1. You may want to give it a try
http://www.sendspace.com/file/knvhiz

For the sonic decoder pack, PM me please.

Thanks for that. I tried to open demuxed DD+ track and at least i finally get length of the movie (it is really progress, till now i got nothing) but it's not playing and ac3filter counts only errors not a signle played frame :( can you please advise me, what am i doing wrong?

[orbitlee]

Thanks for that. I tried to open demuxed DD+ track and at least i finally get length of the movie (it is really progress, till now i got nothing) but it's not playing and ac3filter counts only errors not a signle played frame :( can you please advise me, what am i doing wrong?

You need Sonic audio decoder to decode DD+. Well, before ac3filter supports DD+. :) Check PM.

[MichalHabart]

You need Sonic audio decoder to decode DD+. Well, before ac3filter supports DD+. :) Check PM.

Thanks, will try asap. So, after installation of that Sonic Audio decoder, i just need to register your filter and it should work together? Or is there something else i need to do?

I mean, then i put your filter into graphedit, point to DD+ as input, put sonic audio decoder, wav dest and file writer. And it should create me proper wav file, right?

[orbitlee]

Thanks, will try asap. So, after installation of that Sonic Audio decoder, i just need to register your filter and it should work together? Or is there something else i need to do?

I mean, then i put your filter into graphedit, point to DD+ as input, put sonic audio decoder, wav dest and file writer. And it should create me proper wav file, right?


I didn't test wav dest and file writer, only
DD+ source -> sonic audio decoder 4.2 -> default directsound

[MichalHabart]

I didn't test wav dest and file writer, only
DD+ source -> sonic audio decoder 4.2 -> default directsound

I tested this and it wrote result file more 2GB big. foobar says it is PCM 1536kbps stereo. but probably it's because of wav settings. is there some filter which can encode in real time to something multichannel (ac3/dts/multi-channel-wav)?

[chros]

Of course there is! Avisynth! :)

1. Delete the default directsound device from your graph, then save it eg. audio.grf
2. create text file: eg. audio.avs with the following row (of course you modify the fps value):
DirectSoundSource("audio.grf",video=false,audio=true,fps=23.796)
3. open this avs file in MeGUI and encode it ...

[Deckard2019]

is there some filter which can encode in real time to something multichannel (ac3/dts/multi-channel-wav)?
1/ build a graph with just orbitlee filter and sonic one. no output. save it as .grf
2/ create avs script with : DirectShowSource(YOUR.GRF, fps=23.976, video=false, seek=true, seekzero=false, framecount=XXX)
3/ open it in MeGUI and choose your output format.

I just try with FFMPEG AC-3 output, keeping original channels. I get a perfect AC3 6-channel file.
Great work orbitlee !

EDIT : Oups, too late
EDIT2 : ffmpeg says :
Input #0, wav, from 'pipe:':
Duration: N/A, bitrate: 4608 kb/s
Stream #0.0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 4608 kb/s
Output #0, ac3, to 'D:\Videos\EVO\mi_aud5.ac3':
Stream #0.0: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 448 kb/s
Stream mapping:
Stream #0.0 -> #0.0

How can I specify 640kb/s in MeGUI config for ffmpeg AC3 ? Max is 448 in dialog box ...

[tomos]

1/ build a graph with just orbitlee filter and sonic one. no output. save it as .grf
2/ create avs script with : DirectShowSource(YOUR.GRF, fps=23.976, video=false, seek=true, seekzero=false, framecount=XXX)
3/ open it in MeGUI and choose your output format.

I just try with FFMPEG AC-3 output, keeping original channels. I get a perfect AC3 6-channel file.
Great work orbitlee !

EDIT : Oups, too late
EDIT2 : ffmpeg says :


How can I specify 640kb/s in MeGUI config for ffmpeg AC3 ? Max is 448 in dialog box ...

orbitlee filter? do you mean the method orbitlee described?

also, this doesnt seem to work with cinemaster audio decoder 4.1. dont get any sound at all from that

[Jan Marijniszoon]

Did a quick xvid encode and didn't find any duplicate or missing frames.
framecout is a little of to what EVOdemux said.
EVOdemux:
1567 counted frames (0:01:05.357) in video stream 0.
1564 calculated frames.
Xvid: 1559 frames
Don't know whats off there. I couldn't find any missing frames with this sample I had. Will try some other samples sometime today

Hmm this is weird to me. Three different frame amounts. How can this be and which one should be chosen for audio synchronisation?

[Deckard2019]

orbitlee filter? do you mean the method orbitlee described?

Well, another DD+ decoder. So we know Intervideo audio decoder outputs 2.0 instead of 5.1.
asasadad_1 mentioned that Sonic decoder pack can work with EVOB/VC1/DD+ at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962436#post962436

I tried sonic decoder pack on two PCs, works on one PC, does not work on another PC. No idea what's wrong.

Anyway, I modified DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter which can work with sonic audio decoder. The source filter I posted a few pages eariler does not work(need small tweak). I'm pretty sure the output is real 5.1. You may want to give it a try
http://www.sendspace.com/file/knvhiz

For the sonic decoder pack, PM me please.

You need orbitlee filter and Sonic Audio Decoder 4.2.

[MichalHabart]

1/ build a graph with just orbitlee filter and sonic one. no output. save it as .grf
2/ create avs script with : DirectShowSource(YOUR.GRF, fps=23.976, video=false, seek=true, seekzero=false, framecount=XXX)
3/ open it in MeGUI and choose your output format.

I just try with FFMPEG AC-3 output, keeping original channels. I get a perfect AC3 6-channel file.
Great work orbitlee !

EDIT : Oups, too late
EDIT2 : ffmpeg says :


How can I specify 640kb/s in MeGUI config for ffmpeg AC3 ? Max is 448 in dialog box ...


Surely will try. But is there a way how to encode not to AC3 but to DTS?

[Deckard2019]

What is your tool to do DTS ? Does it take AVS script ? If not, what are possible inputs ?

[MichalHabart]

What is your tool to do DTS ? Does it take AVS script ? If not, what are possible inputs ?

Best tool would be surcode. As input it takes 6 mono wav files. Is it possible to create those 6 wav files somehow? For example by encode this avs script by meGUI to wav?

[holzi]

yeah just made a aac 5.1 encode sound pretty cool. :)
Ok could someone tell my how to calculate the delay of the audio track or Pelican9 could you implement that into EVOdemux, would be a good feature.

Now lets that a opensource decoder will be available soon.
Time to encode some HD movies :)

[Deckard2019]

Is it possible to create those 6 wav files somehow?
From AVS ? It's surely possible but I don't know how ... Anybody may help ?
Time to encode some HD movies
:)

[holzi]

from avisynth help:

You could also obtain the channels from the avi file itself:
video = AviSource("c:\filename.avi")
return GetChannel(video, 1)


so you have to get every channel and write it to a wav file.
don't now if you could do it in one script with just one pass.

[kornesque]

thanks to the efforts, input, arguments and collaborations of everyone on this thread, i've managed to successfully create an unadultered .wmv (playable on a 360) from a vc-1 .evo. it's only video, but baby steps always get you to where you're headed. all that remains is getting the damn audio downmixed and muxed. i'll be following closely until we get it all hammered out. thanks especially to Penguin9, drmpeg and Isochroma.
:thanks:

[JnZ]

EDIT: This GUIDE won't work coz of 4G limit of filewriter and tranzcode...use updated guide here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=964823#post964823

Well, another DD+ decoder. So we know Intervideo audio decoder outputs 2.0 instead of 5.1.
asasadad_1 mentioned that Sonic decoder pack can work with...
Well, this works very good. Thx a lot Orbitlee.
I just transcoded DD+ 1536kbps -> DTS, or I can make something else...AAC, AC3, etc. :-D

Here is the giude:
1) Open Graphedit, make filterchain: DTS/AC3/DD+ Source -> Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.2 -> WAV dest -> FileWriter (for DTS/AC3/DD+ open demuxed DD+ track, for file writer open output WAVe (test.wav)).
2) Pres play to render WAVe file. This wave is depend on Sonic setting, so make sure you set 5.1 output. You've get 5.1ch 24bit (depends maybe on soundcard type), 48khz 6ch WAVe.
3) Use Tranzcode: Tranzcode test.wav /16 /44100 to make six mono 16bit 44khz WAVes. (test.wav is output from graphedit). 24bit WAVes produced little "mutated" DTS from surcode and souds like "be-be-beeee" :D
4) Open Surcode and transcode this six WAVes to the final DTS.
5) Finaly, enjoy Your ride, muhehehe.

This is not all!!! At the end I must thx very much Orbitlee for this nice break-trough at this front. :D Thankjuuuu

[Icemaan]

Sorry i`m to stupid to make this
What is wave dest and file writer i can`t find this in my Filters from Graphedit
Thanks
Icemaan

[holzi]

well I think they are not default filters. Google and download them :)

[Deckard2019]

Wave Dest comes with Graphedit package : http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Filters/graphedit.rar (register.bat).
File Writer is part of XP (qcap.dll)

[Lolodu34]

hummm well done !

But a question troubles my mind, only DD+ is ok ?

What's up for True HD sound ?

[Hwindu]

Well, this works very good. Thx a lot Orbitlee.
I just transcoded DD+ 1536kbps -> DTS, or I can make something else...AAC, AC3, etc. :-D

Awesome!!;) Works for me too!


This is not all!!! At the end I must thx very much Orbitlee for this nice break-trough at this front. :D Thankjuuuu

:thanks:

Now for the Dolby TrueHD stream. thanks to Orbitlee I managed to render the TrueHD stream in GraphEdit then the Sonic HD Demuxer pins in perfectly - I can see it recognize the stream in the filter properties, wonderful.

However I can't find a filter for decoding it :(. There must be something out there .

Any Ideas?

[MichalHabart]

Well, this works very good. Thx a lot Orbitlee.
I just transcoded DD+ 1536kbps -> DTS, or I can make something else...AAC, AC3, etc. :-D

Here is the giude:
1) Open Graphedit, make filterchain: DTS/AC3/DD+ Source -> Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.2 -> WAV dest -> FileWriter (for DTS/AC3/DD+ open demuxed DD+ track, for file writer open output WAVe (test.wav)).
2) Pres play to render WAVe file. This wave is depend on Sonic setting, so make sure you set 5.1 output. You've get 5.1ch 24bit (depends maybe on soundcard type), 48khz 6ch WAVe.
3) Use Tranzcode: Tranzcode test.wav /16 /44100 to make six mono 16bit 44khz WAVes. (test.wav is output from graphedit). 24bit WAVes produced little "mutated" DTS from surcode and souds like "be-be-beeee" :D
4) Open Surcode and transcode this six WAVes to the final DTS.
5) Finaly, enjoy Your ride, muhehehe.

This is not all!!! At the end I must thx very much Orbitlee for this nice break-trough at this front. :D Thankjuuuu

Very nice, thanks for that. But can anyone with more then 2 speakers confirm that it produce real 5.1 sound and that the channels are correctly assigned?

And one more thing, isn't it useless to create 1536kbps DTS from only 640kbps DD+? AC3 at 640kbps should be enough, right?

And one more, tried on swordfish and created wav with size of 4096MB . then it stopped. plazing in foobar showed me that it is 124 minutes long. but the movie itself is only 99 minutes long, so there is the problem?

[Icemaan]

Big Thanks Orbitlee

Work fine

But i have a other problem
With the original Evo i can create a Graph with Hd Demux and Video Decoder from Sonic works fine
When i rebuild the Evo without Audio and Sub the Evo.Rebuild cannot connect to the Sonic Filter
I need a Graph to put all in the Mainconcept encoder because only this Encoder make a file compatible with Scenarist

Any Idea somewhere
Icemaan

[Deckard2019]

As I can't output AC3 @640kbps with MeGUI, I tried with ffdshow :
1/ Open Graphedit, DTS/AC3/DD+ Source => Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.2 => ffdshow Audio Decoder => FileWriter,
2/ Setup ffdshow to output AC3 at desired bitrate (you can check boxes if you want to change source),
3/ Press play to render AC3 file ;)

Thanks again Orbitlee !

[Stolbovoy]

And one more thing, isn't it useless to create 1536kbps DTS from only 640kbps DD+? AC3 at 640kbps should be enough, right?
Taking video into account size difference is not that big, and it's good from peace of mind prospective: higher bitrate still means less difference with source, because it is full recompress.

[Daodan]

Question: I only get 2.0 output from Sonic decoder. How can I change the output? Can't find any options to do so..

EDIT: nvm, I had to put my sound card output defaults to > 2.0

[MichalHabart]

Question: I only get 2.0 output from Sonic decoder. How can I change the output? Can't find any options to do so..

It is in settings for sonic decoder. there is option use system settings. so instead of this use Dolby Digital 5.1

[chros]

As I can't output AC3 @640kbps with MeGUI ...
You can use Aften v0.6 with Behappy (or with sound-out from avs script) to encode into AC3 on the fly ... It can do VBR encoding, the default setting of VBR is 240 which will produce approx. a 384 kbps stream ...

aften 0.6 (pipe-patched): http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/win32builds/aften-0.06-bin-pipes-patch.rar?download
aften forum: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=113074
(I'm using the exe_sse3 build)

behappy: http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=1bb59ddf-901b-43a5-bd54-b0999e8e223e
(you must copy the aften exe)

sound-out: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120025

and latest belight ( http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122700 ) can use the new aften exe ...

[chros]

It is in settings for sonic decoder. there is option use system settings. so instead of this use Dolby Digital 5.1
Ahaa ! It's in the Control Panel within Windows, named CinePlayer DVD Decoder Options.
So are the preferred settings:
- uncheck use system settings
- Audio output: Dolby Digital 5.1
- environment Normal
- check Enable LFE if available

?

[Jan2001]

Well, I set output of sonic's filter to 5.1 and used the following graph:

DTS/AC3/DD+ Source (feature1.ddp)-> Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.2 -> WAV dest -> FileWriter (output.wav)

The resulting wav-file is in fact 5.1, but only 2 channels have a correct audio stream, the rest of them is crap (see picture attatched.
What has gone wrong here?

[madshi]

Well, I set output of sonic's filter to 5.1 and used the following graph:

DTS/AC3/DD+ Source (feature1.ddp)-> Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.2 -> WAV dest -> FileWriter (output.wav)

The resulting wav-file is in fact 5.1, but only 2 channels have a correct audio stream, the rest of them is crap (see picture attatched.
What has gone wrong here?
I'm having *exactly* the same problem! Tried with both Serenity and The Mummy. And I have some more problems:

(1) WAV dest seems to stop at 4GB (NTFS, plenty free space).
(2) Tranzcode is finished after 1 second and all 6 files are 44 Bytes long.

[Deckard2019]

Ahaa ! It's in the Control Panel within Windows, named CinePlayer DVD Decoder Options.
So are the preferred settings:
- uncheck use system settings
- Audio output: Dolby Digital 5.1
- environment Normal
- check Enable LFE if available

?

Yes but to be able to select 5.1, you have to set system settings to 5.1, even if you uncheck Use system settings.

[MichalHabart]

Yes but to be able to select 5.1, you have to set system settings to 5.1, even if you uncheck Use system settings.

Well, i just selected Dolby Digital 5.1 and the result is 5.1, i can see it in AC3Filter

[MichalHabart]

I'm having *exactly* the same problem! Tried with both Serenity and The Mummy. And I have some more problems:

(1) WAV dest seems to stop at 4GB (NTFS, plenty free space).
(2) Tranzcode is finished after 1 second and all 6 files are 44 Bytes long.

Problem is not in NTFS, it has something to do with DirectX. Solution is to uncheck continue with second EVO in evodemux, then your final wav will have less then 4GB. DTS files can appened with copy /B a.dts+b.dts c.dts

First problem seems to be solved. Now i have 2 6channel wav files but if i run tranzcode, it still ends in 1 seconds. Johny, where is the problem?

[Deckard2019]

Well, i just selected Dolby Digital 5.1 and the result is 5.1, i can see it in AC3Filter
Right. The point is that, if you set system settings to headset or stereo speaker, you won't be able to select 5.1 in Sonic decoder, even if you uncheck Use system settings.

[Daodan]

First problem seems to be solved. Now i have 2 6channel wav files but if i run tranzcode, it still ends in 1 seconds
First of all try not to use the GUI but rather the cli. This way you have more feedback. Also for me tranzcode fails to do 24>16 bit conversion. But that's not a problem. Just interpose in the chain in graph (between sonic and wavdest) ffdshow or ac3filter (set to 16 bit output) and you get 16 bit wav that tranzcode doesn't have problems with. This was tried on a small dd+, one thing that can occur is that windows and >2 gb wavs is a problematic issue, most clis won't take it as input (I remember that from the times I used to transcode big wav to aac 5.1).