DVD Rebuilder (One-Click Beta) Bug Reports - v0.30+

[Alex Z]

Originally posted by Stive
I just tried a quick transcode and burn using the mpeg2dec3 instead of the mpeg2dec3dg and I still get the stutter.:( Audio appears ok. To be fair, I did not do the whole disk and just stripped out three chapters. Anyway, this change was not the answer for me.

jdobbs...thanks for the change to use dvdrb if the output is already to small. It makes it easier for me to test anyway.


Agree, I watched the whole movie again (done with mpeg2dec3) and I saw stuttering but at different timeline. And it stutters more often.

[insanescape]

Oddness.. Though I guess the code has to respect its author.

[Acerjen]

1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5 with ECL 1.8
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

I am using DVD-RB on X2: X-Men United. The audio studdering
I heard before is gone, but seral times throughout the movie,
audio will go out of sync. Then the next chapter is back in
sync and will eventually go back out of sync. I retested
using an older version of DVD-RB (version .26), which is the
version I used a couple of weeks ago to test, and the audio
sync is fine.

I am curious if anyone else has had any audio sync issues?
If so, were you able to change any settings or anything
to make it work?

Thanks in advance for any help and ideals. Also, thanks
goes to Jdobbs for an excellent tool. Thanks.



Later,
Acerjen

[Rombaldi]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I have to fix it -- and will. DVD's should play on ALL drives. It's a matter of when... which is made more complicated by the fact that I can't repeat it.

you need to have people add one more thing to their bug reports

5: make/model of player tested on

[quantum]

Originally posted by Alex Z
Agree, I watched the whole movie again (done with mpeg2dec3) and I saw stuttering but at different timeline. And it stutters more often. Sound like a media and player problem. Does the same disk processed with DVDShrink play perfectly every time?

[insanescape]

quantum: A disc shrunk with DVDShrink isn't doing the same thing as reencoding and rebuilding the DVD structure. Meaning it's very likely that the original chapter points are kept the exact way they were written on the original DVD. It's the "from scratch" nature of the program that's an issue with some players.

A better question would be "Can you take an mpg2 file, put it into an authoring program, create chapters, burn it, and not get chapter stutters like you do in DVDRB?"

[Stive]

Update: I used DVD2DVDR and burned the disc to play in my stuttering Mintek. It was my first time using dvd2dvdr, so I may not have had all the settings correct (ie, ecl for cce2.5. etc.). Anyway, backing up the same disc (lotrings2 ntsc), it did not appear to stutter at chapters...thats the good news. But worse (which may have been my lack of settings (real newbie here), was that the output was "jumpy". Not sure there is a real conclusion. So, if there is a file I can look at to compare DVD2DVDR to DVDRB, it would be appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction.

jdobbs...thanks for your reinforced comments about trying to make it play on all players. I've already made a donation and will certainly anty up again when the stutter goes away.

[brikin]

Originally posted by Acerjen
1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5 with ECL 1.8
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

I am using DVD-RB on X2: X-Men United. The audio studdering
I heard before is gone, but seral times throughout the movie,
audio will go out of sync. Then the next chapter is back in
sync and will eventually go back out of sync. I retested
using an older version of DVD-RB (version .26), which is the
version I used a couple of weeks ago to test, and the audio
sync is fine.

I am curious if anyone else has had any audio sync issues?
If so, were you able to change any settings or anything
to make it work?

Thanks in advance for any help and ideals. Also, thanks
goes to Jdobbs for an excellent tool. Thanks.



Later,
Acerjen

X2: X-Men United is the DVD I keep having the 004 buffer overflow error on. Acerjen I guess you didn't see this problem?

JDobbs I have backed up 3 other DVD's and they work great it is just this one DVD still giving me problems.

[robot1]

Originally posted by insanescape
A better question would be "Can you take an mpg2 file, put it into an authoring program, create chapters, burn it, and not get chapter stutters like you do in DVDRB?"
It's a DVD-RB specific issue, and the author will correct it.
Many people use Big3 or other methods with CCE, and there is no stutter.

[wfiguero]

jdobbs

I read that you tested an Apex 1500 without problems. I also have an Apex 1500 and I have the stutter problem. If possible can we know your settings and if you use CCE.

Thanks for your hard work.

wfiguero

[JvD]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I would suggest that if you are impatient, you should write your own program and give it away for nothing.
First of all, sorry jdobbs for not reading the main page correct. Been away for some days with my family now and in my eager to find out what has happend the quoted text and the last msg in the thread got me writing the question/msg :(
Second, sorry about spelling your sign wrong. I DO KNOW what your name is since I been around here couple of years now :D
Third sorry! I dont KNOW how to write magnificant apps like you do, thats why I, like many others, are more than glad (and donating) to see that there ARE people writing high class freeware apps. I DO admire your work AND when I read the msg again, I can understand you felt offended. Sorry!
After all "sorrys" Ill put my teeth in the new releases.

[quantum]

Originally posted by jdobbs
On the stuttering issue. My personal opinion is that there is a timing issue located somewhere in DVD-RB that shows on sensitive players... it isn't the player's fault. This assumes it is an issue with the DVD-RB output, which it may be. But considering this is a one-click forum there may be first timers here who mistake media incompatibility with a DVD-RB software issue. I've had friends who had trouble understanding they could buy blanks from Wal-Mart and they might skip and stutter in their players. That's just the nature of DVD-/+R and some players. I'm wondering if the stutterers are using Princo's.

To eliminate media questions, stutterers should process their title with DVDShrink on the same media, wether is dvd+/-r or dvd+/-rw and see if the problem goes away. If DVDShrink disks work correctly, then we can be more confident there is an issue with DVD-RB.

[lab-one]

@quantum

This assumes it is an issue with the DVD-RB output, which it may be. But considering this is a one-click forum there may be first timers here who mistake media incompatibility with a DVD-RB software issue. I've had friends who had trouble understanding they could buy blanks from Wal-Mart and they might skip and stutter in their players. That's just the nature of DVD-/+R and some players. I'm wondering if the stutterers are using Princo's.

I personally use Verbatim and also had a few Maxell laying around. Stuttering exists with both. Burn with DVD-Decrypter in ISO mode at 2X burning speed. I have no problems with DVD-Shrink transcoded discs of the same brands.

[jikchung]

@insanescape
As I said in my previous post, I have authored many types of DVD's from scratch, from 5 minute demos to 2 hour instructional videos as well as home movies. I have also used DVD Shrink, DVD2SVCD and Nero Recode. The only place I have gotten the video stutter is with DVD-RB. It is also apparently not media related in my case as I have used Ritek and Verbatim (both Ritek and MCC) -R as well as Memorex (Ricoh)+R media and Verbatim and Memorex -RW media with the testing.
I have transcoded the same DVD's with shrink (terrible quality, which is why I have such high hopes for DVD-RB) and had no play issues at all. So it doesn't seem to be the player, media or an authoring issue from where I stand.

Apex 5131 Player
Pioneer A06 Burner

[insanescape]

jikchung: Glad to hear it man, it shows I'm wrong, at least with regards to you, which is a good thing :) (I'm just throwing out possibilities)

[compusion]

1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: ReJig
3. Using eclCCE? n
4. Bug encountered: Run-time error '9':
Subscript out of range during rebuild on School of Rock.

I've been getting runtime errors on this movie for the past several versions. The error seems to happen no matter what encoder used. Let me know if I can be of further assistance troubleshooting this one.

compusion

[Stive]

Originally posted by quantum


To eliminate media questions, stutterers should process their title with DVDShrink on the same media, wether is dvd+/-r or dvd+/-rw and see if the problem goes away. If DVDShrink disks work correctly, then we can be more confident there is an issue with DVD-RB.

I am a newbie from the standpoint of "true authoring" which, is what I understand CCE is doing from reading the threads. I have "played with" dvd2svcd, but gave that up as the output was ok, but most of the time equal to shrink, etc. Generally, I'm a movie only kinda guy and could give a rats about trailers, documentaries, and even menus. I figured at some point in time, I could probably rip the movie out with Shrink and DVDRB the movie and have the best of both worlds. As a side statement...just so you don't blame shrink, my stuttering is from all files from Decrypter or non-shrink.

I have used DVDShrink several times (40ish) (as well as some dvd2one and clonedvd) and have not had this issue with stuttering on my Mintek. In fact, there have be no issues except for pixelation in low compressions (normal I guess). But, that is not to say that Mintek can not handle "real authored" dvd's such as CCE is performing. Somehow, I think it can.

I guess, being a newbie, I probably should not have been envolved this early as I don't know exactly what I am doing and more importantly, how I can help to fix. I apologize to jdobbs, as I have brought the "stuttering up a couple times" after a few releases. I know it is beta, and am not trying to be say anything different. I've been impressed, well that is a gross understatement, with the program and jdobb's work ethic.

Finally, my guess is, the masses have cheapie equipment like me. At least I can say that with 97.83% accuracy.
:D

[nwg]

I redid the only disc that has the stuttering with DVD-RB (PAL Matrix Revolutions) with Shrink and it is fine.

I have also done it with CCE and DVD2DVD-R and the disc plays fine.

It is only my cheap Cyberhome that has the problem. My more expensive Sony has worked with every DVD-RB disc so far.

[djan]

Wow, I have a serious problem with half d1 conversion. I'm doing it for extras and they look unwatchable. The video is stretched and we see it like diagonal moving lines.

[brikin]

JDobbs,

I am having the 004 buffer overflow error and wanted to report a few things. The first file that I am having the error on is V04004100002001.m2v. I went and tried to open the file and my video player gave me an error saying it didn't recognize the file. I went to the rebuilder.ecl file and copied the section for that file and copied it into the item.ecl file. I opened this in CCE and rebuilt it with no problems. Now I can open up the m2v and play the file. DVD Rebuilder will still give me the error if I rebuild.

The V04004100002001.AVS file looks like this

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(81737,84780)
ConvertToYUY2()

This file does not trim just 1 frame.

In the REBUILDER.INF file for this file I see

[V04004100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=19270.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=3044
Last_Sector=1798290
Reduction=73.8
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0

I don't know what the SCR does but the only other places I see this set to .000 is the first avs file which is V04000000001001.AVS which looks like

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(0,-1)
ConvertToYUY2()

which has that trim(0,-1)

and the last to avs files V04009500002030.AVS and V04009600003001.AVS both of them look like this

# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:30
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(179467,179467)
ConvertToYUY2()

and

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:03, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(179468,179468)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Both of those have a trim for a single frame. I don't know if this makes any difference but let me know if I can tell you anything else.

By the way what does that SCR represent in the REBUILDER.INF file.

Thanks for all the hard work
Brik

[smlong426]

I just encoded a movie with 0.35 beta. The video still stutters at chapter points.

[jdobbs]

SCR is System Clock Reference - it is the synchronization timer and is contained in the header of all packets. Occasionally it is reset to 0, normally at the beginning of a movie chapter. Trim(0,-1) means you have a single frame that is at the beginning of a D2V. A zero in the second position has a special meaning to the trim statement -- so a -1 is used to flag a single frame starting at 0.
Still frames aren't the only source of a possible 0004 error -- it is a captured error that indicates I've reached the end of my buffer space, and that should never happen.

[jdobbs]

Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't get stutter. I'm trying like hell to cause it and can't. This is very frustrating.

[brikin]

Thank you

Do you have any idea why when DVD Rebuilder called CCE for this avs file that it gave me a corrupt m2v file. I have done this DVD twice and both time this m2v file was corrupt. After I re-encoded this file it worked and the corrupt file and the new file were the same size.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by djan
Wow, I have a serious problem with half d1 conversion. I'm doing it for extras and they look unwatchable. The video is stretched and we see it like diagonal moving lines. Are you watching it through a player of from Microsoft Media Player or some other non DVD oriented package? It isn't unusual for it to play back elongated on one of those players. They have a tendency to want to play everything in 1:1.

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't get stutter. I'm trying like hell to cause it and can't. This is very frustrating.

I havent gotten a stutter since about version .28 or so. Before that I was getting it on every chapter transition point. Ive watched several DVDs done with DVD-RB and havent seen any stutter whatsoever.

Its interesting that some people are getting stutter with certain movies while others arent and the same with some players, even like ones, not having stutter while others do. Almost makes you wonder if it comes down to individual Windows installation issues. Ive certainly seen before where polluted Windows installs make some odd things happen when working with video.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by brikin
Thank you

Do you have any idea why when DVD Rebuilder called CCE for this avs file that it gave me a corrupt m2v file. I have done this DVD twice and both time this m2v file was corrupt. After I re-encoded this file it worked and the corrupt file and the new file were the same size. It was probably corrupt because that's where it bombed on the encode. But I don't know, and it's hard to say long-distance...

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Are you watching it through a player of from Microsoft Media Player or some other non DVD oriented package? It isn't unusual for it to play back elongated on one of those players. They have a tendency to want to play everything in 1:1.

Or perhaps a player that cant handle the resolution.. unless its a player of a respectable make, then there might be something worth looking at.

[dancis]

Everytime when i want to rebuild tombraider 2 (pal) i get the overflow error.

I am going to try terminator 2 now , maybe it is tombraider that is the problem.

[tf]

Stuttering has been gone since 0.31 for me. Tested on Euroline and Pioneer DV343 standalones.

It really must be something that is only apparent on certain players, but I do agree with others that if the same project done with Shrink doesn't stutter, something goes wrong in the process of DVD-RB.

Right now I'm doing Black Books Season 1, full 8.2GB and will watch it all the way through tomorrow. Test is being done with 0.35, btw.

-tf

[Joergen]

jdobbs: Whee! I actually discovered a "bug" of sorts. I used TitlesetBlanker to blank out a video_ts.vob that was unreferenced (according to shrink) and that software renames it video_ts.vob~ (and the bup and ifo too and replaces them with its new ones.. works great). BUT, after the encode, the dvd is about the 240MB short that the video_ts.vob~ is large (although there IS a new 10KB video_ts.vob also).

Soo.. now that I know, I'll always hit "delete backups" in TitleSetBlanker, but just a tip, maybe dvd-rb could ignore all files but .vob .bup .ifo :)

edit: for more detail.. dvd-rb copied the video_ts.ifo~ video_ts.bup~ files over to the compiled VIDEO_TS dir also, EXCEPT the video_ts.vob~.

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Are you watching it through a player of from Microsoft Media Player or some other non DVD oriented package? It isn't unusual for it to play back elongated on one of those players. They have a tendency to want to play everything in 1:1. I'm using WinDVD 5 Gold.

[smlong426]

Well, even if the 'stutter' isn't apparent, it is still there. On my Cyberhome player, I can't see the stuter at all. On my Zenith, it is very obvious. With PowerDVD 5.0, you can see the 'stutter' only if you are watching like a hawk. Although it appears as more of a strange, hardly even noticable, anamoly with PowerDVD, I still see it.

I would be more than happy to feed the output of my Zenith player into my capture card and show you what the stutter looks like.

Stephen

[DrVenkman]

Ah crap - I have a problem here. I got to the last file of encoding and CCE popped up as I was pressing something and it cancelled. But anyway, I encoded the file manually, checked it and everything is done now - so is there anyway I can rebuild the file? When I open up DVD-RB the option to 'rebuild' is blanked out and there is no way I want to encode it all again...any suggestions?

[jdobbs]

Okay... we don't need any more stutter talk... I know its there (even if I can't see it) and I'm trying to find out what could be causing it. I don't think there is even a debate with me -- DVD-RB is doing something that is causing the stutter and it has to be fixed. Period.

But, now that it is said... do we really need to put a new post up every time somebody sees it for the first time. I know I have a problem and I'm frustrated trying to find it -- do we really need to rub salt in the wound?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DrVenkman
Ah crap - I have a problem here. I got to the last file of encoding and CCE popped up as I was pressing something and it cancelled. But anyway, I encoded the file manually, checked it and everything is done now - so is there anyway I can rebuild the file? When I open up DVD-RB the option to 'rebuild' is blanked out and there is no way I want to encode it all again...any suggestions? Yeah. Go into the REBUILDER.INF file and make it tell a lie. Set Progress=2. You will have to point to the directory again or restart DVD-RB. I put that there because early on I had a lot of people just try to rebuild without doing the other steps...

[Joergen]

jdobbs: With a tool this great as DVD-RB, you can expect some hardships giving birth to it. If it was easy it wouldhave already been made!

I'd advice you to take backups of your sources (to CD-R!), HD's tend to blow up at the worst possible moment, at least when what youre working on is too good to be true!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by KungFuCow
I havent gotten a stutter since about version .28 or so. Before that I was getting it on every chapter transition point. Ive watched several DVDs done with DVD-RB and havent seen any stutter whatsoever.

Its interesting that some people are getting stutter with certain movies while others arent and the same with some players, even like ones, not having stutter while others do. Almost makes you wonder if it comes down to individual Windows installation issues. Ive certainly seen before where polluted Windows installs make some odd things happen when working with video. There was a miscalculation that I fixed back then... at the time I thought I'd fixed the stutter.

[jdobbs]

I know I've asked this before... but is this reported stutter confined to chapter points (or cell points, often they are the same thing)?

[dvdRENEGADE]

jdobbs,
Does DVD-RB add sequence end codes to every single video stream it creates before combining the multiple streams together? If so, that could be causing hiccups, etc.
dvdRENEGADE

[Stive]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I've asked this before... but is this reported stutter confined to chapter points (or cell points, often they are the same thing)?


For me, the stutter has been at chapter points. Both normal watching over a chapter, and if I fast forward to a chapter and back in up a bit. But, to be honest, I don't know what a cell point is.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I've asked this before... but is this reported stutter confined to chapter points (or cell points, often they are the same thing)?

Some report just chapter points, but I see it at random spots, not just cell points or chapter points.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by dvdRENEGADE
jdobbs,
Does DVD-RB add sequence end codes to every single video stream it creates before combining the multiple streams together? If so, that could be causing hiccups, etc.
dvdRENEGADE No. It was a few versions ago. But it was pointed out to me and I corrected it.

[Gunner-GoNad]

Hi.. This is my first post. I've been using your software since the first release and love it. I tried my first 4:3 to 16:9 DVD today. It is Topgun. The encoed went through fine. When I check the VOB's they play 16:9 perfect. Now when I burn them or conver them into an ISO and play it they go to 4:3 and are squished because it has been converted. Please help. Is it better to do the whole DVD in 16:9 coversion or just the movie. I did just the movie. The menus are still 4:3. Could this be the reason? It's strange cause before I burn the VOBs themselves load up and play 16:9 perfect. Ahhh.. Frustrating. I've burned with different programs and convereted into an ISO, NRG, IMG files and mounted and they all produces the same 4:3 squish.


Other than that. All the 16:9 DVDs I do work and look perfect! This is the best program ever. Keep up the good work.


-Gunner-GoNad

Oh I did this using v0.35

[quantum]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't get stutter. I'm trying like hell to cause it and can't. This is very frustrating. I'm stutter free since a few versions ago on my Pioneer standalone. My Toshiba never had stutter even with the earliest versions. I watch it fairly sharp eyed and I'm quick to notice telecide or other errors and it's been good so far.

[dvdRENEGADE]

jdobbs,
should the gop structures of the dvd-rb streams match the gop structures of the originals? if so, i'm not so sure they're doing it. gop timestamps seem to be screwed as well. i demuxed a few cells of the original dvd and the dvd-rb dvd and used restream to view their structure and timestamp and they differ.
dvdRENEGADE

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by dvdRENEGADE
jdobbs,
should the gop structures of the dvd-rb streams match the gop structures of the originals? if so, i'm not so sure they're doing it. gop timestamps seem to be screwed as well. i demuxed a few cells of the original dvd and the dvd-rb dvd and used restream to view their structure and timestamp and they differ.
dvdRENEGADE No, the GOPs shouldn't. The timestamps shouldn't match either (they couldn't unless it was an identical GOP structure) -- it is newly authored from scratch. But the frame count should match in each cell -- and the TFF/RFF pattern should be identical.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Gunner-GoNad
Hi.. This is my first post. I've been using your software since the first release and love it. I tried my first 4:3 to 16:9 DVD today. It is Topgun. The encoed went through fine. When I check the VOB's they play 16:9 perfect. Now when I burn them or conver them into an ISO and play it they go to 4:3 and are squished because it has been converted. Please help. Is it better to do the whole DVD in 16:9 coversion or just the movie. I did just the movie. The menus are still 4:3. Could this be the reason? It's strange cause before I burn the VOBs themselves load up and play 16:9 perfect. Ahhh.. Frustrating. I've burned with different programs and convereted into an ISO, NRG, IMG files and mounted and they all produces the same 4:3 squish.


Other than that. All the 16:9 DVDs I do work and look perfect! This is the best program ever. Keep up the good work.


-Gunner-GoNad

Oh I did this using v0.35 Check the IFO files for the VTSs that you've converted to 16:9 with IFOEDIT. Make sure they are being updated properly. The information should be in VTSI_MAT and at offset 200. It should say 16:9 and "Letterboxed". If they aren't coming out right that has to be it. You can change them and reburn -- but make sure you let me know if it is wrong so I know my code is screwing up.

[dvdRENEGADE]

jdobbs,
When checking the first gop timestamps for the cells i've demuxed from my dvd-rb encode of Andersonville (R1), each one is listed as 0H 0M 63S 63F. The originals are listed properly, such as 2H 2M 41S 0F. Should DVD-RB be correcting these timestamps after the encoding phase. Maybe that's the cause of some of the stuttering problems.
dvdRENEGADE

[Gunner-GoNad]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Check the IFO files for the VTSs that you've converted to 16:9 with IFOEDIT. Make sure they are being updated properly. The information should be in VTSI_MAT and at offset 200. It should say 16:9 and "Letterboxed". If they aren't coming out right that has to be it. You can change them and reburn -- but make sure you let me know if it is wrong so I know my code is screwing up.


Ok this is what I have under 200 -


[00000200]
Video attributes of VTSTT_VOBS 17284 [4384]
Video attribute details:
Video compression MPEG-2
TV system NTSC 525/60
Aspect ratio 4:3
Automatic Display Mode not specified
CC for Line21-1 (NTSC only) data present in GOP
CC for Line21-2 (NTSC only) no data
Bit Rate VBR
Source Resolution 704x480 (NTSC)
Letterboxed top&bottom cropped no
Mode Camera

Looks like it isn't updating or something. How do I change this? When I click on it IFOEDIT says Item not editable.

Thanks again.

- Gunner-GoNad!
PS: Kinda newB to IFOEDIT