DVD Rebuilder (One-Click Beta) Bug Reports - v0.30+ [Archive]

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:31

DVD-RB Beta Testers,

The posts on this subject have gotten so big there have been so many changes that I thought it would be a good idea to kick off a new thread that only addresses bugs that have/will happen since version 0.30 -- mainly because a combination of 0.29 and 0.30 have made significant changes to the product. I will lock the previous Bug Report thread in the near future. Again I ask that you try to report in the following format:

1. DVD-R Version: x.xx
2. Encoder being used: CCE X.XX, ReJig X.XX, or QuEnc X.XX
3. Using eclCCE? Y or N
4. Bug encountered: Description of the bug, with any detail that might make it clearer and easier to fix.
5. If you think it might help, use the "Copy Status to Clipboard" feature of v0.19 and above -- and post it with the bug report.

I will also attempt to keep the link below up-to-date so you can always come to the first page of this thread to get the latest version of the beta.

The latest version can be found here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75452)

Note: Some browsers may need to "Refresh" to get the most current version.

You can find brief installation and usage instructions on this post/page. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&postid=465822)

Again my thanks to all the beta testers. Your constructive inputs are really helpful in making this a useful product.

jdobbs

Smoking_Weed

4th April 2004, 15:55

DVD-RB version: 0.30
encoder used: cce 2.50 (trial)
using eclcce: no
---------------------------
DVD-RB ERROR
---------------------------
There is nothing to do!
DVD-RB couldn't locate appropriate files in working directory! You must PREPARE and ENCODE first.
Aborting.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

i get that everytime after it copy the files to hdd before it start t o encode. i have that problem since version 0.25.
my settings are cce 2.50, and i set the
MPEG2Dec3dg.dll like it says in the helpfile.
i tried 1 click mode and also with the 3 steps same result.
i hope i that info is enough.

maybe my specs: amd athlon xp 2400+, 1024 ddr ram, gforce 4 ti 4200@4600 windows xp sp1

thanks in advanced

edit: i just tried to use eclcce finaly encoding started :)

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 17:34

DVD-R Version: 0.30
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using eclCCE? Y Ver. 1.8b

Stuttering probs update with the latest 030 beta when processing Matrix Revolutions PAL. History:-

028 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters

029 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- stuttering every 2 seconds on video

029b beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- Stuttering every 2 seconds on video
- Audio out of shink now at the 2 second stutter issue

030 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters same as in 028 beta

2COOL

4th April 2004, 17:48

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.29b/0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bugs encountered:

I had three audios bugs with 0.29b and looking at the 0.30's history, I don't think it's fixed with it too. :( Actually, I had a fourth bug, oversizing when stripping audio, but didn't experience it in this DVD project. That has been reported earlier. Anyways, here's what I had with Bring It On (R1).

1. Not all audios are detected. I had 2 out of 4 showing in pane. Total of four is confirmed in IfoEdit. Français option is not available for unchecking.

DVD-RB
Audio stream to keep:
Audio_1 6 Chan,DTS,Lang: English
Audio_2 6 Chan,AC3,Lang: English

IfoEdit (VTS_06_0.IFO)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x80)
Audio 2: English (DTS ) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x89)
Audio 3: Français (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x82)
Audio 4: English (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x83)

2. With the two audios showing, Audio_1 and Audio_2 were swapped as per description. Audio attributes confirmed in IfoEdit. See above in RED and BLUE.

3. Even with selected audio unchecked, it still was kept after successful processing. Confirmed in VobEdit.

Update: I had DTS (Audio_1)unchecked in DVD-RB for removal but got Audio_2 , Audio_2 6 Chan,AC3,Lang: English, stripped instead.:confused: Looks like it was following IfoEdit's correct order. Now at the end, I have 3 of 4 audios kept.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 18:40

Originally posted by Discoboy
DVD-R Version: 0.30
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using eclCCE? Y Ver. 1.8b

Stuttering probs update with the latest 030 beta when processing Matrix Revolutions PAL. History:-

028 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters

029 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- stuttering every 2 seconds on video

029b beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- Stuttering every 2 seconds on video
- Audio out of shink now at the 2 second stutter issue

030 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters same as in 028 beta Can anyone else confirm this slight stutter/pixelation? I was convinced it had to be the fix I just made...

phseet

4th April 2004, 19:09

@jdobbs

1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? N

Just tried to encode Just Married (PAL) with DVD-RB 0.30 and noticed that DVD-RB is tagging the both the main movie and extras as Progressive. The .avs files also confirm this, i.e. all without (interlaced=true).

However, only the main movie is progressive. This was confirmed by BitRate Viewer. The extras are interlaced. I like to encode the extras without decomb.dll, since I only watch DVDs on TV.
Now I manually edit the rebuilder.ecl to change the values for 'progressive' and 'alternate_scan' for the extras, and also the corresponding .avs files. The movie seems ok so far. Just wanted to know whether this was done on purpose.

Thanks for all the frequent updates! Had weird PAL problems with 0.29.

4th April 2004, 19:21

Originally posted by 2COOL
1. All Audios not detected. I had 2 out of 4 showing. 4 is confirmed in IfoEdit.

DVD-RB
Audio stream to keep:
Audio_1 6 Chan,DTS,Lang: English
Audio_2 6 Chan,AC3,Lang: English

IfoEdit
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x80)
Audio 2: English (DTS ) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x89)
Audio 3: Français (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x82)
Audio 4: English (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x83)

It looks like DVD-RB is still getting the audio streams info from the title map in VIDEO_TS.IFO (which is often incorrect) and not from the VTS IFO PGCITI table.

DDogg

4th April 2004, 19:23

Originally posted by jdobbs The AudioDub(BlankClip()) line is added to the script if checked (the default) under Options/AVS regardless of the encoder -- I shouldn't have added the confusing additional text to option... Hey, am I just not getting something? There is no AudioDub(BlankClip()) being added to any CCE scripts although the option is checked.

Here is a script created with the AudioDub(BlankClip())option checked -
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder .30 <=== maybe put this in?
# VOBID:03, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\WUTEMP\D2VAVS\V01B.D2V")
trim(0,14136)
ConvertToYUY2()

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 19:27

Originally posted by RB
It looks like DVD-RB is still getting the audio streams info from the title map in VIDEO_TS.IFO (which is often incorrect) and not from the VTS IFO PGCITI table. As I said before -- I don't get my audio information from the title map of VIDEO_TS. I get it from the IFO of the VTS I am processing. The only thing I ever do with VIDEO_TS is check the header to make sure it's valid, and copy it to the destination directory.

2COOL

4th April 2004, 19:27

Originally posted by RB
It looks like DVD-RB is still getting the audio streams info from the title map in VIDEO_TS.IFO (which is often incorrect) and not from the VTS IFO PGCITI table. I'm not at home to confirm if VIDEO_TS.IFO is the culprit but the IfoEdit info I have shown IS from the TitleSet IFO, VTS_06_0.IFO.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 19:29

Abnormal1

4th April 2004, 19:30

I have just checked the AVS's that .30 created and I also dont get the audiodub line, So DDogg your not the only person that is getting this.
Looking at the other posts in the ReBuilder posts there seems to be problems with the creation of the AVS

Abnormal1

StifflerStealth

4th April 2004, 19:44

Originally posted by DDogg
Hey, am I just not getting something? There is no AudioDub(BlankClip()) being added to any CCE scripts although the option is checked.

Here is a script created with the AudioDub(BlankClip())option checked -
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder .30 <=== maybe put this in?
# VOBID:03, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\WUTEMP\D2VAVS\V01B.D2V")
trim(0,14136)
ConvertToYUY2()

I have the audio option unchecked because I have an Intel Processor, so I went back and checked that option so I can test your problem.
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVDRECODE\D2VAVS\V01B.D2V")
trim(0,13479)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())
As you can see, I have it. So uncheck the audio option and then re-check it to see if that adds that AudioDub line.

Stiff

chadp1a

4th April 2004, 19:49

@jdobbs

DVD-RB Version: .30
Encoder: CCE 2.67
eclCCE: Yes

DVD-RB is not adding the decomb line to any of my avs files that point to the VTS containing interlaced material.

I opened the VOB in question using DVD2AVI and it is reporting interlaced for most of the duration. It will pop up film here and there but for the most part it show interlaced.

Shouldn't the avs contain a reference to decomb, being that I have DVD-RB setup to use it if necessary?

chadp1a

4th April 2004, 19:53

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
I have the audio option unchecked because I have an Intel Processor, so I went back and checked that option so I can test your problem.
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVDRECODE\D2VAVS\V01B.D2V")
trim(0,13479)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())
As you can see, I have it. So uncheck the audio option and then re-check it to see if that adds that AudioDub line.

Stiff

Good post Stiff!

I tried doing what you just said and AudioDub was added for my setup.

I unchecked and checked decomb again hoping it would insert it into my avs because my setup is not detecting my interlaced source... but it doesn't :confused:

StifflerStealth

4th April 2004, 20:01

Originally posted by chadp1a
Good post Stiff!

I tried doing what you just said and AudioDub was added for my setup.

I unchecked and checked decomb again hoping it would insert it into my avs because my setup is not detecting my interlaced source... but it doesn't :confused:

Well, you're 50% there :P. At least it will be easier for jdobbs to find the bug since my suggestion worked. I think I'm 5 for 1 on working vs not. I lost count.

Edit: On second thought. Did you use the previous version's ini file to keep your settings? If so, I think I know what happened. Just a theory though.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 20:04

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 20:05

Originally posted by chadp1a
@jdobbs

DVD-RB Version: .30
Encoder: CCE 2.67
eclCCE: Yes

DVD-RB is not adding the decomb line to any of my avs files that point to the VTS containing interlaced material.

I opened the VOB in question using DVD2AVI and it is reporting interlaced for most of the duration. It will pop up film here and there but for the most part it show interlaced.

Shouldn't the avs contain a reference to decomb, being that I have DVD-RB setup to use it if necessary? That will be fixed in 0.31 too. I was using picture_structure to make the determination and that just isn't hacking it.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 20:06

KungFuCow

5th April 2004, 06:50

Hi JDobbs.. another bug Ive noticed in .30. Sometimes the path to MPEG2Dec3dg.dll does not get set in the avisynth script. I did 16 Candles earlier and it added the line for the main movie but not the extra titleset. I had to go in and add it manually and reencode. Without it, I got the "No such function as mpeg2source" error and the red lines at the bottom.

5th April 2004, 10:19

I just backed up Bad Boys II (PAL, Reg 2) with:

DVD-RB 0.30
CCE 2.50
ECLCCE 1.7b

All went smooth and I burned the project. Tested it in my Pioneer DV343 (a pretty good reference player), and there was no stuttering or skipping at chapter points. Thumbs up from here :-)

-tf

JDay

5th April 2004, 10:25

DVD-RB Version: .30
Encoder: QuEnc .45

I reauthored the Hong Kong version of Battle Royale II(NTSC) with DVD Shrink (no compression, main movie, japanese ac3 6ch audio and english subs set to default). The reauthored version works fine but I noticed several problems after running it though rebuilder. When I tried to burn with nero 6 it said "File 'VIDEO_TS.VOB' is not referenced and should not be present", "DVD-Video files reallocation failed". I burned it anyway and tried it on a few players. It would play, but the video was a bit jerky, the subtitles didn't appear (it would allow me to turn them on and off but it didn't make a difference) and the audio would lose sync on skipping chapters (although it would sync back up while skipping chapters). The video was also significantly undersized but I think that's an issue with QuEnc, not DVD-RB.

An unrelated bug- When I click abort during the encoding process (on WinXP) it causes the tabs on the taskbar to dissapear and the start button soon after. While in this state, windows minimize and sit above the taskbar rathe than on it. Rebooting fixes this.

Oh, and thanks for the great work. I am too lazy and poor to use the "Big 3" method, this program is a godsend!

5th April 2004, 10:47

I did Battle Royale II (NTSC) with DVD-RB 0.30 too, but with CCE 2.50. The chapter skipping was gone, but it is true that you don't get any subtitles.

The reason for the missing subtitles is that DVD-RB doesn't support Closed Captions (yet), and that's all there is on that DVD. And that goes for many NTSC dvds (in particular asian ones). I guess that in time, jdobbs will incorporate this feature into DVD-RB.

-tf

najt

5th April 2004, 12:33

Originally posted by jdobbs
Can anyone else confirm this slight stutter/pixelation? I was convinced it had to be the fix I just made...

I just did Pirates of the Caribbean PAL and no stutter/pixelation.

kadilak

5th April 2004, 13:48

I am happy to report that I am no longer getting the audio/video stutter between chapters. Thanks for all the great work!

DDogg

5th April 2004, 14:58

The latest version is v0.31, 5 April 2004. The link to V0.31 seems to point to V0.30 dated 4/4/2004 10:03 AM file name: dvd-rbv030.zip

/add: now working

lab-one

5th April 2004, 15:02

@DDogg

This link (http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=469702) points to .31.

5th April 2004, 15:21

jdobbs, are still frames still a known, yet unresolved problem? Just got "Runtime error 9 - subscript out of range" during the prepare step in 0.31 for a VTS that has still frames in various PGCs. Let me know whether you want details.

nooner6

5th April 2004, 15:30

I have the same error as Someone posted earlier when I try the One click mode:

DVD-RB version: 0.30 & 0.31
encoder used: cce 2.62
using eclcce: no
---------------------------
DVD-RB ERROR
---------------------------
There is nothing to do!
DVD-RB couldn't locate appropriate files in working directory! You must PREPARE and ENCODE first.
Aborting.

Movie: Family Man

DDogg

5th April 2004, 15:35

jdobbs, not a biggy, and sorry to even bring it up, but on my machine 0.31 requires you to uncheck, and then recheck, the AudioDub(BlankClip()) everytime you open it. If you don't do this then AudioDub(BlankClip()) is not added to the scripts. It is not only the first initial use. I did make sure and delete the INI, but the same thing happens. Each time dvd-rb is opened, you must uncheck and then recheck the AudioDub(BlankClip()) feature to get it to work.

5th April 2004, 15:37

Originally posted by nooner6
encoder used: cce 2.62
using eclcce: no

You must use EclCCE with CCE 2.62 because this CCE version has no command line support.

loosenut

5th April 2004, 16:07

1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y

4a. Stargate SG1, Vol 33, PAL
On a JVC and a Sony standalones: everything OK. No stutter whatsoever on chapter points. All chapters involve dissolve and background music continuing to next chapter. Not a single glitch. Yes!!
On a Philips standalone: Picture freezes on start of each episode - chapter. Arghhh!
Same thing that happens on the &^$&^$$#@@ Philips since day 1. :(

4b. Babylon 5, Season 3, disc 1, PAL.
Run-time error '9'
Subscript out of range
7.7% into rebuilding.
I tried rebuilding with 0.31, same thing.
Retrying from the start with 0.31 now.
Will report back in a ...uhm, a few hours.

you're getting there :)

StifflerStealth

5th April 2004, 16:13

1. DVD-R Version: Encoded with v0.29b, Rebuilt with v0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered: Towards the end of a cell the audio would become out-of-sync by a few miliseconds. It isn't by much but it is noticable. Then when the next cell starts, the audio would be in sync again. You need to listen very carefully to catch it sometimes, but other times it is obvious without even trying to look for it. Previous versions and the original DVD did not have this.

I tried to post this yesterday, but I clicked the "Submit Reply" button at the precise time the forum went down.

Stiff

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 16:16

Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, are still frames still a known, yet unresolved problem? Just got "Runtime error 9 - subscript out of range" during the prepare step in 0.31 for a VTS that has still frames in various PGCs. Let me know whether you want details. Yes stills are a continuing issue. I worked on them all night last night and have it pretty much working for CCE (needs testing, though) -- next I must modify my demuxing (ReJig) code. But... the normal error you should see associated with stills is the "0004" during rebuild. I'll have to look at how they might cause problems during PREPARE.

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 16:19

Originally posted by nooner6
I have the same error as Someone posted earlier when I try the One click mode:

DVD-RB version: 0.30 & 0.31
encoder used: cce 2.62
using eclcce: no
---------------------------
DVD-RB ERROR
---------------------------
There is nothing to do!
DVD-RB couldn't locate appropriate files in working directory! You must PREPARE and ENCODE first.
Aborting.

Movie: Family Man At some point I need to develop a FAQ for these recurring questions. This means you have no .M2V files in your working directory. Usually it means ENCODE didn't happen, and that is usually because of bad .AVS files, which in turn are caused by bad or non-existent paths...

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 16:22

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 16:25

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
You need to listen very carefully to catch it sometimes, but other times it is obvious without even trying to look for it. Previous versions and the original DVD did not have this.

I tried to post this yesterday, but I clicked the "Submit Reply" button at the precise time the forum went down.

Stiff Hmmm... I'll check this out. I can't think of anything I've done in the last couple versions that could affect audio sync -- but sometimes the slightest change will have unintended consequences...

StifflerStealth

5th April 2004, 16:28

Maybe I should clarify that previous versions would be v0.26 and below.

Stiff

nwg

5th April 2004, 16:44

jbobbs have you worked out what is causing the runtime error 5 message?

030 still suffers from it.

I only get it when using Quenc.

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 16:56

Originally posted by nwg
jbobbs have you worked out what is causing the runtime error 5 message?

030 still suffers from it.

I only get it when using Quenc. No. I'm starting with the big (lots of people affected) errors first and then working my way back down.

nwg

5th April 2004, 17:04

No. I'm starting with the big (lots of people affected) errors first and then working my way back down.

That's ok I was just wondering. :)

I like QuEnc and think it is a good alternative to CCE in 2 pass mode.

DMagic1

5th April 2004, 17:17

1. DVD-RB v0.30 and 0.29
2. ReJig 0.5e
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Audio becomes out of sync near the end of the 1st chapter. At the start of the 2nd chapter it is corrected. I have done three movie and get the same thing. I'm not sure if it was there in 0.28 or not.

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 17:19

Originally posted by DMagic1
1. DVD-RB v0.30 and 0.29
2. ReJig 0.5e
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Audio becomes out of sync near the end of the 1st chapter. At the start of the 2nd chapter it is corrected. I have done three movie and get the same thing. I'm not sure if it was there in 0.28 or not. You're the second post mentioning the sync issue. I'll look at that closely tonight.

HanSolo00

5th April 2004, 18:13

Outstanding work, jdobbs, thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this great tool.

1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

Chapter stutter--depends on which player I play the burned project in. It plays flawlessly on the DVD drive in my computer, but stutters at chapter breaks in my cheapo Norcent DVD player (though the Norcent has no trouble with other 1:1 or DVDShrink titles.) Also, of course, the original DVD does not stutter at chapters in the Norcent. Exact same thing happens in v0.29: plays fine on my computer, stutters at chapter breaks in my Norcent. All my testing has been with the same DVD title (The Last Starfighter.)

I had problems not encoding but playing back stills as well, but since they were all in one separate VTS, I just copied the VOB/IFO over instead of using the ones Rebuilder made and they work fine.

5th April 2004, 18:18

Originally posted by jdobbs
Yes stills are a continuing issue. I worked on them all night last night and have it pretty much working for CCE (needs testing, though) -- next I must modifying my demuxing (ReJig) code. But... the normal error you should see associated with stills is the "0004" during rebuild. I'll have to look at how they might cause problems during PREPARE.
Ok, some details. The DVD is Man on the Moon PAL R2, runtime error 9 subscript out of range when processing VobId 07, CellId 01 in VTS2 during Prepare step. Here's the VTS:
Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: Deutsch (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:01:55.09 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 3) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,2,3)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:54.14 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:54.14] [Frames: 2864]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:54.24] [Frames: 2874]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:55.09] [Frames: 2884]

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:01:59.16 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 3) (uses VOB-IDs: 4,5,6)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:01:58.21 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:58.21] [Frames: 2971]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:59.06] [Frames: 2981]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:59.16] [Frames: 2991]

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:02:07.11 / 25 fps] (Programs: 5) (Cells: 5) (uses VOB-IDs: 7)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 7/ 1] : time: 00:00:15.02 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:00:15.02] [Frames: 377]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 7/ 2] : time: 00:00:05.18 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:00:20.20] [Frames: 520]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 7/ 3] : time: 00:01:15.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:36.05] [Frames: 2405]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 7/ 4] : time: 00:00:30.21 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:02:07.01] [Frames: 3176]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 7/ 5] : time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:02:07.11] [Frames: 3186]

The 10-framer cells are still frames (1 still frame per cell). The last two AVS files it creates successfully are for VobId 05/CellId 01 and VobId 06/CellId 01 where the latter doesn't look right:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:05, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MAN ON THE MOON\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(5837,5837)
ConvertToYUY2()

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:06, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MAN ON THE MOON\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(5838,5837)
ConvertToYUY2()

Note the frame number I marked in bold, I think this should be 5838 too. The last few lines of the D2V file it created:7 0 12866 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 128DF 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1294F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 12999 2

Oldeman

5th April 2004, 18:35

DVD-RB: Ver .30
Quenc .45
error : run time 5 during rebuild
Options:
one click
Convert to YuY2()
dyn bit rates
Audio Dub
no warnings

appears to be a still frame near the end of the disk
vob:3 cell:1
trim 229329,229329
Convrt to Yu()

This same source runs through with ReJig ok.
Really looks good. This is a very exciting program.

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 18:42

@RB

Excellent feedback. Thanks. No way I purposefully intended to create that trim() statement. That should point me in the right direction.

nwg

5th April 2004, 18:53

What does that trim bit do?

I have seen that as well. I find this AviSynth scripting stuff fascinating.

5th April 2004, 18:59

I'll answer for jdobbs :)

The Trim() statement is used in all DVD-RB AVS files. Without that line, the AVS would refer to the entire VTS. But DVD-RB reencodes at the cell level, so Trim() is used to cut a cell out of the large video stream. In my case however, the Trim() statement seems to be set up incorrectly.

VampHuntD

5th April 2004, 19:13

Hey Jdobbs
Just wanna say thanks for working so hard on this, I'll be trying it out later tonight I think, see if the issue I had got fixed.

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 19:44

Originally posted by HanSolo00
Outstanding work, jdobbs, thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this great tool.

1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

Chapter stutter--depends on which player I play the burned project in. It plays flawlessly on the DVD drive in my computer, but stutters at chapter breaks in my cheapo Norcent DVD player (though the Norcent has no trouble with other 1:1 or DVDShrink titles.) Also, of course, the original DVD does not stutter at chapters in the Norcent. Exact same thing happens in v0.29: plays fine on my computer, stutters at chapter breaks in my Norcent. All my testing has been with the same DVD title (The Last Starfighter.)

I had problems not encoding but playing back stills as well, but since they were all in one separate VTS, I just copied the VOB/IFO over instead of using the ones Rebuilder made and they work fine. When you say it stutters... does it do it for several frames, one frame... is it very noticable or do you have to look for it?

HanSolo00

5th April 2004, 20:04

The stutter is a single pause of about 0.2 seconds or so at each chapter break, so I'm guessing it is several frames but not sure. It definately is noticable when viewing the movie, I don't have to look for it. And it ONLY seems to happen on my Norcent DVD player; it plays fine on my computer's DVD drive. It can't be the media, because other 1:1 backups work fine.

Incidentally, I haven't noticed any of the audio sync problems others are having in the long chapters that I've checked so far.

Other than the chapter pauses, everything is perfect.

Joergen

5th April 2004, 20:17

jdobbs prolly has ideas for that pause thing but heres something to look at:

-The player jumping/freezing for the audio to come back and thus pausing the video till it does. (the audio gap problem reversed sort of)
-Too high bitrate causes pause
-Too low bitrate causes pause

btw what is the lowest bitrate allowed for a DVD?

nwg

5th April 2004, 20:18

The stutter is a single pause of about 0.2 seconds or so at each chapter break

I had the same thing with Matrix Revolutions PAL using 030. It only did it once while going from one chapter to another. It was chapter 3 to 4. This is where Sereph, Morpheus and Trinity open the door to the train and walk through. It stutters while the door begins to open and freezes for a fraction of a second and then plays normal to the end of the film.

It only did it on my cheap player but my decent player and computer played it fine. My Sony has played discs from every version of DVD-RB perfectly.

I am doing it again with 031 now.

HanSolo00

5th April 2004, 20:28

It pauses for a fraction of a second in my cheap DVD player on every single chapter of the title I converted with DVDRB 0.30. Other compressed titles done by release groups which I've tried on the same media in the same player have no such pauses... so it must be some minor little thing at chapter points that is causing some players hickups. Frustrating to debug though because it only seems to show up after you burn and test it in the player.

One other minor bug, which may have already been fixed by now, is in the settings dialog for CCE 2.50. I selected 6 pass VBR (and it's still there now as a default), but when I looked in the Rebuilder.ecl it has VBR_Pass=5 on every cell. No biggy, 5-pass is fine anyway, but just thought I'd point that out.

5th April 2004, 20:38

The number 5 is correct. It will actually do one pass more than the number in the ecl file.

-tf

loosenut

5th April 2004, 20:39

Originally posted by loosenut
1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y

4a. Stargate SG1, Vol 33, PAL
On a JVC and a Sony standalones: everything OK. No stutter whatsoever on chapter points. All chapters involve dissolve and background music continuing to next chapter. Not a single glitch. Yes!!
On a Philips standalone: Picture freezes on start of each episode - chapter. Arghhh!
Same thing that happens on the &^$&^$$#@@ Philips since day 1. :(

4b. Babylon 5, Season 3, disc 1, PAL.
Run-time error '9'
Subscript out of range
7.7% into rebuilding.
I tried rebuilding with 0.31, same thing.
Retrying from the start with 0.31 now.
Will report back in a ...uhm, a few hours.

you're getting there :)

I Re-did Babylon 5, Season 3, disc 1, PAL, with DVD-R 0.31 and same settings as before:
No chapter stutter
AND....
IT PLAYS PERFECTLY OK ON MY PHILIPS ALSO!!!!!!!
(This was a bug that only yours truly had reported a long time ago, was present in every otherwise perfect backup, and prevented me from actually keeping a backup.
From past experience, I am almost 99,999% sure that since it plays on the Philips, it can play anywhere.
Or at least, the structure is solid!
So you got rid of two bugs with one shot!!!!
Bravo!!
(Just to be absolutely sure, I'll re-do the Stargate DVD with 0.31, to confirm)

HanSolo00

5th April 2004, 20:50

Awesome, loosenut.

I'm redoing my project right now, with 0.31 instead of 0.30. I'll have an update on my chapter pause problem in about 4 hours (I didn't keep my project files.)

Crawl

5th April 2004, 21:33

Hello jdobbs....

Thanks for sharing your program with us.....

Just for feedback

Version = 0.31
Encoder = CCE 2.67.00.08 (but it nevers gets there)
Eclee = No

Roxette The Complete Collection.

DVD contains 4 VTS folders....
VTS02 contains 36 PGC...
When doing the preparing its stopped (in VTS02) at aprox. 75% saying

Runtime error 9
Subscript out of range.

Maybe this tiny little feedback will help you to get get your program to get even better.....

Crawl

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 22:11

Originally posted by DMagic1
1. DVD-RB v0.30 and 0.29
2. ReJig 0.5e
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Audio becomes out of sync near the end of the 1st chapter. At the start of the 2nd chapter it is corrected. I have done three movie and get the same thing. I'm not sure if it was there in 0.28 or not. I think this is only happening on ReJig... I just did a same DVD in ReJig and CCE -- I noticed audio drift on the ReJig version but not on CCE... gotta be related to some difference in the way I process them.

HanSolo00

5th April 2004, 23:57

More detail on the 'chapter pause' issue:

I checked both 0.29a and 0.30 DVDs in my Norcent player. The audio continues to play through the chapter end with no glitch at all, but it's at the end of each chapter that the video pauses for a fraction of a second. If I seek to the chapter starts they play fine. If I rewind slightly and let it play through, the video pauses for a fraction of a second before the next chapter starts. The audio stream plays uninterrupted however.

I'm about halfway completed redoing the project with DVD-RB v0.31 so I'll report my findings after I've finished and burned that one. Maybe it's just my cheap DVD player, but then I'd expect other compressed titles to have similar problems, which they don't.

winny

6th April 2004, 00:07

Oldeman, I'm getting the exact same problem with runtime 5.

DVD-RB : 0.31
Quenc : 0.45
Dynamic bit rate
DVD mounted with Daemon Tools

Prepare and encode work fine, then the rebuild phase copies the unmodified content to video_ts folder.

Processing vts_02
- Processing segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1

"Run-time error 5 - Invalid procedure call or argument"

Apologies in advance if ths anything to do with the stills issue, but I read elsewhere that RB would flag problematic content and give a warning, so not sure if this is worthy of a bug report.

Keep up the good work jdobbs, I'm amazed at your progress this far.

Joergen

6th April 2004, 00:10

1. DVD-RB v0.31
2. CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. no bugs, absolutely perfect! :D

I redid the backup on [irrelevant] bonus disc R2 (7.2GB 180+ min) using 0.31 with 3pass CCE (on my romping AMD 64 3200+ rig) and the results are now flawless on a V7 sony PS2, panasonic dvd, sony dvd and a fourth cheapo dvd player (standalones of course).

Thank you jdobbs for making the impossible possible! Finally a reason to register a paypal account!

StifflerStealth

6th April 2004, 00:50

Originally posted by jdobbs
I think this is only happening on ReJig... I just did a same DVD in ReJig and CCE -- I noticed audio drift on the ReJig version but not on CCE... gotta be related to some difference in the way I process them.

I used CCE version 2.67.00.23 and I have the audio out-of-sync thing (Best word I can use when I'm tired :D).

Stiff

sreemv

6th April 2004, 03:58

DVD-RB: 0.31B
EclCCE: Yes
CCE: 2.67

Popup error:
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort"

Followed by another popup error:
"Stop statement encountered"

The source DVD ripped to HD using DVD decryptor - File mode - ALL files.
The error popped up during the "Rebuild" step.
Trying to backup "Harry Potter Sorcerers Stone".

I must be missing something(?) because this appears to happen with Jurassic Park and I have a feeling will happen with any movie. Please help!

ELT

6th April 2004, 07:41

Hello,

I'm trying to encode Minority Report the pal version. The prepare and encode phase go well but then at rebuilding phase at 95% i get the "Run-time error 5 - Invalid procedure call or argument". I'm using:

DVD-RB : 0.31
Quenc : 0.45
Dynamic bit rate
DVD mounted with Daemon Tools

Keep up the good work!

Sir Didymus

6th April 2004, 09:10

1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

Chapter stutter. It shows the problem at all chapter breaks in my cheap Medion DVD player. It is a pause of few frames (it is more or less noticeable, but it depend on the chapter).

I also noticed that in the display of the player, if you play the title normally, both the chapter number and the time elapsed is correct; on the other hand, if you play backward through the chapter breaks, the chapter number is not updated and the time elapsed shows a value that is affected by an offset which is exactly the twice of the right value... I hope it is more clear with an example...

Title: Donnie Brasco, PAL, R2

In the following table columns are:
- Chapter number;
- Chapter Start time;
- Time showed in normal play through the following chapter;
- Time showed in backward play through the previous chapter...

1 ... 0:00 .... 5:30 .... n.d.
2 ... 5:30 .... 12:39 ... 10:59 = (5:30 - 0:00) * 2 + 0:00
3 ... 12:39 ... 14:14 ... 19:48 = (12:39 - 5:30) * 2 + 5:30
4 ... 14:14 ... 17:45 ... 15:49 = (14:14 - 12:39) * 2 + 12:39
5 ... 17:45 ... 23:25 ... 21:16 = (17:45 - 14:14) * 2 + 14:14
6 ... 23:25 ... 28:57 ... 29:05 = (23:25 - 17:45) * 2 + 17:45

Tironic

6th April 2004, 09:30

I've tried to decrypt a DVD to M2V and AC3 with vobedit and rebuild from scratch with ifoedit. Sometimes the playlenght of my M2V file is just half the original length, maybe due to layerbreaks. The AC3 length is fine

Originally posted by Sir Didymus
I also noticed that in the display of the player, if you play the title normally, both the chapter number and the time elapsed is correct; on the other hand, if you play backward through the chapter breaks, the chapter number is not updated and the time elapsed shows a value that is affected by an offset which is exactly the twice of the right value... I hope it is more clear with an example...

Could this be a same sort of problem here? I'm not sure if this helps you anything. I hope it does.

Tironic

Marcelw

6th April 2004, 10:09

Hello,

I am watching already for a long time this topic. The tool is fantastic.
But still I want to mention a problem which exist since the start of this tool.
1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bugs encountered:

Untill sofar I have every time the same problem with the DVD of Queen live at wembley.(R2). In the phase of prepare I get the famous 9 error. I get annoyed about this error. However, on some other DVD's I don't get these error and on some other I do. I noticed that it should have something to do with stills. But still it is annoying. I would like to contineu with this DVD of Queen

wmansir

6th April 2004, 10:17

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: Runtime Error '9': Subscript out of range.

I was using 1-click mode, testing overnight. For testing purposes I checked Half-D1 and Decomb, in addition to the normal settings I use AudioDub, and ConvertTOYUY2. Checking out the .avs files, everything appears to be setup according to my settings.

It appears that RB Generated this error near the very end of "Rebuilding Segment 19 VOBID:1 CELL:20". Before getting to the NAVPACKS update. Heres the .inf around VOBID:1 Cell:20, as you can see Cell 21 is a still at the end of the VOBID, if that matters.

[V01001900001020]
SCR=583760677.500
PTS=583787436.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=5397
Last_Sector=2769861
Reduction=48.6
[V01002000001021]
SCR=604020417.000
PTS=604045674.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=9365
Last_Sector=2885220
Reduction=48.6
[V01002100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=29707.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=1
Last_Sector=2885224
Reduction=48.6
[V02000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=13520
Last_Sector=144933
Reduction=48.6

trebor

6th April 2004, 11:01

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

End result is way to small. Actually even the *.m2v-files i get during encoding are also to small. Las time i tried this they were all around 100mb somewhere but now they are only around 20mb...
And the end result is around 1.5gb.
Not really shure if this is a bug or if i have missed something :)

nwg

6th April 2004, 11:08

Las time i tried this they were all around 100mb somewhere but now they are only around 20mb.

I also just noticed that.

During a encode, a M2V that was done with 026 was 6MB is now 2MB 030/031. It is like that for all M2V files.

Does that number of CCE passes affect this?

lab-one

6th April 2004, 13:22

@bobwillis

The link appears to be working fine. (http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=469702)

Sir Didymus

6th April 2004, 14:17

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

Error #0004.

DVD Title: TERMINATOR_2A, PAL, R2

DVD_RB terminates in the first VTS of the title, (containing title menus and extras) during the rebuilding of segment 7, Vob ID 8 Cell ID 1, nearby at the beginning of the rebuild step.

Please note it is the first still picture in the VTS and it is flagged as progressive (by Dvd2Avi), while all of the previous cells are flagged as interlaced. Also Dvd2Avi is not showing the frame rate for this still.

For all of the cells, the AVS scripts are including both of the statements FieldDeinterlace() and ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true).

Vob id . Cell id . Frames . Frame type .. Frame Rate . Trimming
1 ........ 1 ...... 725 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(0,724)
2 ........ 1 ...... 725 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(725,1449)
3 ........ 1 ...... 725 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(1450,2174)
4 ........ 1 ...... 725 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(2175,2899)
5 ........ 1 ...... 725 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(2900,3624)
6 ........ 1 ...... 225 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(3625,3849)
7 ........ 1 ...... 100 ... Interlaced .. Pal25fps ... trim(3850,3949)
8 ........ 1 ...... 1 ..... Progressive . Not showed . trim(3950,3950)

KinhKha

6th April 2004, 15:17

did Matrix revolution disk1 around 79%, 1 pass ~ 2hr (and also Blade2)
1. DVD-RB v0.31
2. CCE SP 2.67.0.10
3. Using eclCCE? Y 1.8b
4. no serious bugs
5. result's size: always get around 4.32 GB

checking:
Import result to Shrink: ok
Import to CloneDVD2 and slide the movie to the end, no Navigation Pack error
But I have to use IfoEdit to do "Get VTS sector" (with v 0.26 I did not have to do this)
PS: Play back ok on PC and standalone DVD player( before and after "get VTS sectors")

jikchung

6th April 2004, 15:56

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

I get the same errors on playback as Sir Didymus, namely some chapter stutter, chapters not updated in display if rewind/FF is used, and wrong display of elapsed times.

DVD is Highlander Season 2 Disc 2. Otherwise the results are fantastic (except for that pesky ooo4 error on stills, hope that's worked out soon.)

My stand alone player is an Apex 5131 if that helps any.

t1955feb

6th April 2004, 16:58

DVD-RB: 0.31B
rejig

Popup error:
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort"

DVD ripped to hd using DVD decryptor - File mode - ALL files.
The error popped up during the Rebuild step.

Toranaga

6th April 2004, 17:02

Originally posted by jdobbs
Can anyone else confirm this slight stutter/pixelation? I was convinced it had to be the fix I just made...

I just ran Blade II using 0.28 and the audio stutters quite often :(

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 17:07

Originally posted by sreemv
DVD-RB: 0.31B
EclCCE: Yes
CCE: 2.67

Popup error:
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort"

Followed by another popup error:
"Stop statement encountered"

The source DVD ripped to HD using DVD decryptor - File mode - ALL files.
The error popped up during the "Rebuild" step.
Trying to backup "Harry Potter Sorcerers Stone".

I must be missing something(?) because this appears to happen with Jurassic Park and I have a feeling will happen with any movie. Please help! This is the known "stills" issue.

lab-one

6th April 2004, 17:08

@toranaga

I just ran Blade II using 0.28 and the audio stutters quite often

I think you need to run it through .31 to get a valid finished back-up. Many changes have been made since .28. Read about the changes/updates here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?postid=469702)

brikin

6th April 2004, 17:15

JDobbs

I am getting this error

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort"

with .31 The m2v file this happens on is not a still though so there might be another problem out there causing this.

Toranaga

6th April 2004, 17:28

Originally posted by lab-one
@toranaga

I think you need to run it through .31 to get a valid finished back-up. Many changes have been made since .28. Read about the changes/updates here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?postid=469702)

Trying it now. This is an awesome product non-the-less.

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 17:37

Originally posted by Toranaga
I just ran Blade II using 0.28 and the audio stutters quite often :( You need to update to .31 -- there was a major bugfix related to this done between .29 and .30

Note added later: Whoops, I guess I answered this one too late...

lab-one

6th April 2004, 17:45

@jdobbs

Note added later: Whoops, I guess I answered this one too late...

Yeah, I can't seem to get motivated to do WORK so I'm avoiding the inevitable here...

CeanD

6th April 2004, 17:49

Still getting the buffer error.

Always happens at the same point, when it's rebuilding the compressed m2v's.

sreemv

6th April 2004, 18:13

Originally posted by jdobbs
This is the known "stills" issue.

And, this occurs with 90% of the movies? In my case its 100% so far
:( and I have just found this tool.

Is there a way to avoid it? Much appreciated.

6th April 2004, 18:21

It's hardly 90%. I've done 15 movies now, and not one of them have had still-issues.

-tf

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 18:21

Originally posted by sreemv
And, this occurs with 90% of the movies? In my case its 100% so far
:( and I have just found this tool.

Is there a way to avoid it? Much appreciated. It's been at about 5% for me -- so I think there is something else wrong...

nwg

6th April 2004, 18:36

Originally posted by sreemv

And, this occurs with 90% of the movies? In my case its 100% so far
and I have just found this tool.

Is there a way to avoid it? Much appreciated.

For me about the 50% off the DVD's I wanted to try have still frames. The weird thing is Back to the Future (which has photo galleries in the menu) worked with CCE and Rejig but not QuEnc.

I have managed to get round it on some DVD's by using DVD Stripper and manually deleting the photos one by one.

robw

6th April 2004, 18:45

I hope this is a clue to the buffer problem. The movie Doctor Zhivago (DVD#1) has a long introduction (1 frame) with several minutes of music. During Rebuild, DVD-RB failed here. If I first run the DVD through DVDReMake 1.4.1 whithout removing the still, DVD-RB successfully processes the DVDReMake output.

HanSolo00

6th April 2004, 19:26

DVD-Decrypter = v3.2.1.0
DVD-RB = v0.31
CCE = v2.50
EclCCE = nope
Recorder = Nero 6.3.1.6

I redid my last project, burned and tested, & still get chapter break video stutter in my Norcent DVD player. To eliminate the possibility of an error introduced from my menu editing program (DVD Remake), I started a different project and did the whole thing in DVD-RB. After burning, I still get chapter stutter in my Norcent.

Although I don't get any such stutter in DVD-Shrink/Nero Recode 2/Nero Vision projects, I'm beginning to suspect my cheap DVD player, because the discs play fine on my computer.

Anyone else getting the slight video pauses on chapter breaks? If so, what make/model DVD player? Seems to only happen on the cheaper DVD players.

Otherwise, 0.31 works great for me.

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 19:30

Originally posted by HanSolo00
DVD-Decrypter = v3.2.1.0
DVD-RB = v0.31
CCE = v2.50
EclCCE = nope
Recorder = Nero 6.3.1.6

I redid my last project, burned and tested, & still get chapter break video stutter in my Norcent DVD player. To eliminate the possibility of an error introduced from my menu editing program (DVD Remake), I started a different project and did the whole thing in DVD-RB. After burning, I still get chapter stutter in my Norcent.

Although I don't get any such stutter in DVD-Shrink/Nero Recode 2/Nero Vision projects, I'm beginning to suspect my cheap DVD player, because the discs play fine on my computer.

Anyone else getting the slight video pauses on chapter breaks? If so, what make/model DVD player? Seems to only happen on the cheaper DVD players.

Otherwise, 0.31 works great for me. I have no doubt that some of the stuttering problems are related to cheap players -- but that still means that DVD-RB is doing something incorrectly, but better players seem to be able to get around it. My goal is to create a DVD-R that is so solid that even a toaster will play it.;)

robw

6th April 2004, 19:37

Originally posted by jdobbs
My goal is to create a DVD-R that is so solid that even a toaster will play it.

I tried it out. Put the DVD in my toaster and got a lot of stuttering and pixelation when I grabbed the damn thing while it was still hot. Otherwise DVD-RB 0.31 is working great for me.

Back to the standalone player for now. Let me know if you get the toaster thing working!

sreemv

6th April 2004, 19:53

Originally posted by jdobbs
It's been at about 5% for me -- so I think there is something else wrong...

Umm...well I tried 2 movies so far [HP Sorcerer's stone and Jurassicpark] and both had issues - I guess I will try more to find out my %.

But is it posisble to save the first 2 stages [prepare and encode] and possibly use it later when the "still" bug is fixed perhaps?

Thanks for your help!

chadp1a

6th April 2004, 20:07

HanSolo00

6th April 2004, 20:13

Originally posted by jdobbs
I have no doubt that some of the stuttering problems are related to cheap players -- but that still means that DVD-RB is doing something incorrectly, but better players seem to be able to get around it. My goal is to create a DVD-R that is so solid that even a toaster will play it.;)

My kind of programmer;)

If I had to guess, I'd suspect something happening at the end of the CCE M2V's... because other people have told me they've had similar problems on discs redone with CCE. Also, the audio is fine--only the video pauses for a fractional second, as if trying to resync to next chapter's start.

I was pondering deleting the chapter points in the IFO and then converting the main VTS in a single continuous CCE M2V, but adjusting the chapter pointers etc in the IFO and getting it all to work again afterwards would be a headache. Might be worth a try though.

nwg

6th April 2004, 20:25

Anyone else getting the slight video pauses on chapter breaks? If so, what make/model DVD player? Seems to only happen on the cheaper DVD players.

My Sony which cost me £380 plays perfectly. My Cyberhome which cost me £50 does not. However only Matrix Revolutions so far is affected.

I have just done it with Rejig rather than CCE to see if there is any difference.

robw

6th April 2004, 20:40

I did a small google search on stuttering/pixelation at chapter points. It looks like stuttering and pixelation could fill quite a volume. The following reference may be helpful:

http://www.puremotion.com/cgi-local/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=152

Many reported cases using a wide range of hardware/software. There can be many causes especially the recording media, the DVD player or the DVD burning software; but special emphasis seems to go to the player in many cases. That is not to say that the encoding software does not play a crucial role. If you vary from the official DVD standard, problems may occur. In this case, players are not equal in terms of their error correction capabilities and stutter can occur during such times.

Toranaga

6th April 2004, 21:44

6th April 2004, 22:05

Odd, mine is a Pioneer DV343 - an earlier model - and it does not suffer from the stuttering on the backups I've done with 0.30 and 0.31.

-tf

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 22:10

Originally posted by Toranaga
My player is a Pioneer DV-545. I would not call that a cheap player. That's why I said "some".

hypo20

6th April 2004, 22:20

@jdobbs

Ok. I just tested DVD woth version 31. Everything is OK while making DVD, BUT:

1) DVD, that has still frames is doing BIG problems to standalones I have tested (about 9) (tested on Pearl Harbor)

2) video and audio stopps fot about one second and then continuing sometimes in the movie (not when changing chapters - tested on Pearl Harbor)

Actually, these are the only problems I have. Prob No.1 is the BIGGEST prob of this baby, I think. STILLS, grrrrrrrrr. I think, it is poisoning your mind every night, jdobbs. :D Only this problem, and I'll start use DVD-RB as regular backup tool for my DVD's. :)

Sayitpunk

6th April 2004, 22:22

DVD-RB 0.31
CCE 2.67.00.23
ECL-CCE Yes

Not sure if I can give you enough information, but here goes.

Attempting to do R2 PAL "Wizard of Oz"
This DVD has buckets of extras all contained in VTS 02 along with the movie, audio is as follows:-

Audio 01 6 Chan AC3 English
Audio 02 1 Chan AC3 French
Audio 03 1 Chan AC3 Italian
Audio 04 2 Chan AC3 English
Audio 05 1 Chan AC3 English
Audio 06 1 Chan AC3 English

I am discarding the two foreign language tracks, and keeping all the English tracks. All appears well with RB, but when playing back, the audio has gone from all the extras.

Power DVD reports the affected soundtrack to be English 4 (Which I suppose means Audio 06)

I hope this helps.

Congratulations on what already is a fantastic achievement.

brikin

6th April 2004, 23:12

Using .31
CCE 2.66

The video played back perfectly on my stand alone. The weird thing is when I rewind the time on the DVD player gets messed up. If I am on 8 minutes then rewind the time will change to some higher number (greater then 8 minutes) Fast forwarding has no ill effects. If I change the chapter the time corrects itself. I don't know if this is a navigation problem or what.

Like I said though video contiued to play fine. No stuttering what so ever.

Thanks
Brik

quantum

6th April 2004, 23:18

I noticed this too but it wasn't consistent. It only happened at certain points and didn't seem to happen every time. But it does suggest there may still be some things that need fixing.

sreemv

6th April 2004, 23:18

I moved DVD-RB into its own folder and checked the box "with AVS" (?) under the MPEg2DEC3dg.dll(?) option in setup(?)- I dont recall reading about the check box anywhere - but anyway that seems to have made a difference? - I do not get the buffer overflow, 0004 error anymore - atleast not with Harry Potter and Sorcerer's stone one.

And the quality on my first glance looks amazing after the 6 pass CCE.

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 23:47

Originally posted by sreemv
I moved DVD-RB into its own folder and checked the box "with AVS" (?) under the MPEg2DEC3dg.dll(?) option in setup(?)- I dont recall reading about the check box anywhere - but anyway that seems to have made a difference? - I do not get the buffer overflow, 0004 error anymore - atleast not with Harry Potter and Sorcerer's stone one.

And the quality on my first glance looks amazing after the 6 pass CCE. Interesting. That means that you probably have an different version of MPEG2DEC.DLL resident on your computer somewhere that was previously doing the decoding. By clicking that box you've told DVD-RB to make AVISYNTH specifically use the version that is in the path. Is the MPEG2DEC3DG.dll path you selected located in the "plugins" directory of the AVISYNTH folder? My guess would be "no" -- another answer might be that the AVISYNTH registry entry points elsewhere.

Joergen

6th April 2004, 23:55

jdobbs, I dont know if its possible but wouldnt it help us all if you incorporated all the third party stuff into the dvd-rb.exe itself? Or make it an installer package that CANT go wrong. There seems to be too many variables with the extra stuff needing to be installed properly.

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 23:57

This is definitely a lesson learned from the beta test. When I release this I am going to remove the path choice for MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL and just put the file into the DVD-RB directory. I will then add the LoadPlugin() line to every AVS.

This is one of the reasons for a beta... is shows a procedural weakness that has caused a lot of problems -- that weren't really "programming" problems.

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 00:01

jdobbs, I dont know if its possible but wouldnt it help us all if you incorporated all the third party stuff into the dvd-rb.exe itself? One of the problems with incorporating third-party software into the program itself is that if it is open-source, I am obligated to make my code open-source as well.

I might do that eventually anyway, but if you look at all the versions of DVD2AVI or other software and try to figure out which one is the "right" one -- you can see why I want to (at least for now) keep some configuration control over the program.

robw

7th April 2004, 00:05

Originally posted by jdobbs
One of the problems with incorporating third-party software into the program itself is that if it is open-source, I am obligated to make my code open-source as well.

wouldn't an installation program that asks for the location of third party software, followed by verification, take care of this issue? You could store the information in an ini file.

Joergen

7th April 2004, 00:07

Oh yes, a CRC check for the 3rd party stuff would do the trick!

EDIT: On the other hand, the less easy it is to install the less likely sombeody will sell it on ebay for 10 bucks a pop.

robw

7th April 2004, 00:13

right now you can put in locations for some of the .dll files or not as you wish. If they're not given the program defaults to locating them in the registry. Rather than this, I'm suggesting that the program not run if these file locations are not specified.

When I started using DVD-RB, the program could not locate MPEG2DEC3. I reinstalled AVISYNTH. That still didn't work. Finally, I went to the registry and figured out (thanks quantum) that it was pointing to somewhere other than the avisynth directory. Actually, it was pointing to a subdirectory created by Chatwalker the creator of DVD2DVD-R. I suspect more than a few people using DVD-RB have fallen into the same "gotcha."

loosenut

7th April 2004, 00:46

@ Jdobbs:
Although Pal encodings work OK, I just did "Something's Gotta Give" R1. (0.31, CCE 2.50, 3pass)
Sound is OK, BUT, to my surprise, apparently THERE IS a picture "jump".
It's unnoticable to all chapter (and cell)transitions, except between 1&2. One has to be blind not to see it. And it's visible even on PowerDVD. It's a convertible going fast from the bottom to the top of the screen. Checking the m2v's, it seems to me that a couple of frames from the second chapter (cell 3)are left in the first (cell 2), so the jump is quite obvious. Maybe they are overlapping, but I can't be sure.
Checking the original cells, the cut between chapters is clear (different scenes)
IMHO, this could be a good testing DVD :)

loosenut

7th April 2004, 00:49

Originally posted by robw
I suspect more than a few people using DVD-RB have fallen into the same "gotcha."
LOL!!! Yes they have!!!:D

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 00:52

Originally posted by loosenut
@ Jdobbs:
Although Pal encodings work OK, I just did "Something's Gotta Give" R1. (0.31, CCE 2.50, 3pass)
Sound is OK, BUT, to my surprise, apparently THERE IS a picture "jump".
It's unnoticable to all chapter (and cell)transitions, except between 1&2. One has to be blind not to see it. And it's visible even on PowerDVD. It's a convertible going fast from the bottom to the top of the screen. Checking the m2v's, it seems to me that a couple of frames from the second chapter (cell 3)are left in the first (cell 2), so the jump is quite obvious. Maybe they are overlapping, but I can't be sure.
Checking the original cells, the cut between chapters is clear (different scenes)
IMHO, this could be a good testing DVD :) Sigh... I did that one with CCE -- no jump on any of my three DVD players. When I did it with ReJig, though that scene had a huge sound dropout.

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 00:57

Just so you know -- I'm going over every line of code looking for this. I'm even rewriting the way in which I'm keeping frames (don't worry I've saved all the original code) so I can see if I have tunnel vision... This is the most important bug to me. I can correct for stills, I can incorporate button-over-video, and I can get interleaving working -- but none of it means anything if I can't deliver consistent quality on these "simple" DVDs... don't look for another version until I fix this.

loosenut

7th April 2004, 01:06

Originally posted by jdobbs
Sigh... I did that one with CCE -- no jump on any of my three DVD players. When I did it with ReJig, though that scene had a huge sound dropout.
On my 3 neither :). Maybe I could not see it, maybe they have some error correction. But since this is the first time I could actually see a jump on PowerDVD, plus the misplaced frames in the m2vs, I'd thought I'd mention it. Keep up the good work :)

Joergen

7th April 2004, 02:24

Neo.. erm JDobbs.. we believe! ;)

dave88

7th April 2004, 02:59

I tried again with DVDRB .31 and I still got the stutter, what I get seems like the video speeds up for about 1/2 second and is very noticable in powerdvd or on standalone otherwise quality is superb.

Hopefully you can get it worked out, because otherwise it's the most awesome tool to come around in a long, long time.

Thank you for your efforts

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 03:03

Originally posted by Joergen
Neo.. erm JDobbs.. we believe! ;) I also just had an epiphany as to how I could ensure 100% frame-to-frame matching between mixed-mode interlaced/progressive as well as mixed telecined/straight-mode streams. I've already replaced the code and am testing overnight... if this works, never again will we NTSC'ers have to settle for one or the other when doing a CCE run. And for those who are concerned -- no, it isn't using CCE's reverse telecining...

If it turns out not to work (but I think it will), I'll go back in and delete this post so everyone will think I'm smarter. I have no pride.:D

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 03:09

Originally posted by dave88
I tried again with DVDRB .31 and I still got the stutter, what I get seems like the video speeds up for about 1/2 second and is very noticable in powerdvd or on standalone otherwise quality is superb.

Hopefully you can get it worked out, because otherwise it's the most awesome tool to come around in a long, long time.

Thank you for your efforts Oh, I'll get it fixed. No doubt. It's almost assuredly just a timing error. There's always a way to fix it -- it just sometimes requires that I bang my head against the wall for a few hours before it is finally beaten into submission.

After this project I'm going to have a noticably flattened head.

djan

7th April 2004, 03:26

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, not a biggy, and sorry to even bring it up, but on my machine 0.31 requires you to uncheck, and then recheck, the AudioDub(BlankClip()) everytime you open it. If you don't do this then AudioDub(BlankClip()) is not added to the scripts. It is not only the first initial use. I did make sure and delete the INI, but the same thing happens. Each time dvd-rb is opened, you must uncheck and then recheck the AudioDub(BlankClip()) feature to get it to work. Wow, I didn't read this post and did a movie with AudioDub(BlankClip()) checked but not used in the AVS file. Is it a big problem ? Do I have to remake the backup ?

There is one of my AVS files :

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("S:\- DVD -\GAD2_1_SCN\RB\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,1437)
FieldDeinterlace()
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Also, I would like to know. Like you see the script, does it use DECOMB to deinterlace ?

I'm using DVDRB 0.31 with CCE 2.50 SP. Thx.

brikin

7th April 2004, 04:16

Originally posted by brikin
Using .31
CCE 2.66

The video played back perfectly on my stand alone. The weird thing is when I rewind the time on the DVD player gets messed up. If I am on 8 minutes then rewind the time will change to some higher number (greater then 8 minutes) Fast forwarding has no ill effects. If I change the chapter the time corrects itself. I don't know if this is a navigation problem or what.

Like I said though video contiued to play fine. No stuttering what so ever.

Thanks
Brik

I just realized that I was using .30 instead of .31. .30 had the dvd as progressive instead of interlaced. So I re-encoded all my interlaced material as progressive. I will redo this tonight and see if this fixes the problem above.

Thanks

nwg

7th April 2004, 04:35

Is this stutter being introduced during rebuilding? So, I can take a project done with 031 and rebuild with the version that works and the backup will be perfect?

DDogg wrote,
jdobbs, not a biggy, and sorry to even bring it up, but on my machine 0.31 requires you to uncheck, and then recheck, the AudioDub(BlankClip()) everytime you open it. If you don't do this then AudioDub(BlankClip()) is not added to the scripts. It is not only the first initial use. I did make sure and delete the INI, but the same thing happens. Each time dvd-rb is opened, you must uncheck and then recheck the AudioDub(BlankClip()) feature to get it to work.

I only just noticed this. Audio seems fine on the ones I have done. What is the command for?

Toranaga

7th April 2004, 06:41

Like I said I did it with 0.28.

KinhKha

7th April 2004, 08:53

Movie: Bicentennial Man /Pal/region4
1. DVD-RB 0.31
2. CCESP 2.67.0.10 (1 pass)
3. EclCCE 1.8b
4. Remove Extra / keep 1 audio stream before doing DVD-RB . Compression 79%
Phase I and II worked ok
Phase III Rebuild : Error #0004 buffer overflow. at segment 6 VOBID:1 CellID:7

(This is the first time I have this error, the other tests just fine)

jed

7th April 2004, 09:36

1. DVD-RB 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered: run-time error '9' when rebuilding Alias season 1 disk 6.

Is this a comon problem ay the rebuilding stage, do you need any more info?

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 10:25

Originally posted by nwg
Is this stutter being introduced during rebuilding? So, I can take a project done with 031 and rebuild with the version that works and the backup will be perfect?

I only just noticed this. Audio seems fine on the ones I have done. What is the command for? First question: No. Second question: It is there to circumvent two bugs in CCE, one related to AMD processors and another associated with memory leaks. If you got through your encodes ok you have nothing to worry about.

Wilbert

7th April 2004, 11:12

Sorry for being ot:

FieldDeinterlace()
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
If you deinterlace before converting to YUY2, you should use

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=false)

or what is the same

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2()

However, since your are encoding to dvd I guess, you shouldn't deinterlace at all. In that case, just use

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("S:\- DVD -\GAD2_1_SCN\RB\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,1437)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Btw, about AudioDub(BlankClip()). I don't use CCE (so I'm sure someone will correct me), but with older versions as 2.67 you need that line so that CCE works correctly (reason is not important). 2.67 doesn't need that.

But I see it's working fine for you, without adding that line :confused:

KinhKha

7th April 2004, 12:40

Originally posted by KinhKha
Movie: Bicentennial Man /Pal/region4
1. DVD-RB 0.31
2. CCESP 2.67.0.10 (1 pass)
3. EclCCE 1.8b
4. Remove Extra / keep 1 audio stream before doing DVD-RB . Compression 79%
Phase I and II worked ok
Phase III Rebuild : Error #0004 buffer overflow. at segment 6 VOBID:1 CellID:7

(This is the first time I have this error, the other tests just fine)

continue testing on the same movie Bicentennial Man
I switch back to v0.26 and test it again . Infact I just put DVDRebuilder026.exe in the same DVD-RB 0.31 folder , press Transcode to do it again.
This time I have no error at all, everything came out just perfect.
(sorry to post a testing of old build v0.26 in the 0.30+ thread. )

Ps: I have no error at all with 0.26 (around 7 tests) . From 0.27 to 0.30: all runtime error 6. v0.31: 2 good , 2 error #0004

nwg

7th April 2004, 13:14

jdobbs wrote
First question: No. Second question: It is there to circumvent two bugs in CCE, one related to AMD processors and another associated with memory leaks. If you got through your encodes ok you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the reply.

1

It is a good thing that it won't as I put both DTS and DD and it ended up as 5.10GB. It would have fit if I just used DD. Therefore, I have decided to not use DVD-RB until the stutter is fixed. Although, it isn't a big problem for me as my main player plays the discs fine. I may try 026 again and look for the stutter I know in Matrix Revolutions. I have had no problems with that version.

2

So it is the same as the addaudio command. I have a AMD chip (Athlon XP 2000) and even though the command isn't put into the AVS scipts, it still works fine.

bodhead

7th April 2004, 13:28

hi all.
ok here heres my prob,i tried to do red dwarf series 4 disc 1 PAL.now its interlaced,everything goes fine encoding all of it,but if i play it back in my sony dvd player its like its not keeping the interlace.
its all jerky,same on power dvd.the original is smooth as silk,i have tried all setting in dvdrb 0.31.encoded it about 4 times now.i even tried decomb but it came out very soft.i want to keep the interlace if poss,maybe its a field problem but i cant select one or the other.

ps.
great program
i am using CCE 2.67.00.23 trial with eclCCE

Sir Didymus

7th April 2004, 14:07

Originally posted by bodhead
hi all.
ok here heres my prob,i tried to do red dwarf series 4 disc 1 PAL.now its interlaced,everything goes fine encoding all of it,but if i play it back in my sony dvd player its like its not keeping the interlace.
its all jerky,same on power dvd.the original is smooth as silk,i have tried all setting in dvdrb 0.31.encoded it about 4 times now.i even tried decomb but it came out very soft.i want to keep the interlace if poss,maybe its a field problem but i cant select one or the other.

ps.
great program
i am using CCE 2.67.00.23 trial with eclCCE

This is very intersting, in my opinion, since it is pointing to errors different from the ones related to still frames and image stutters...

I also have some troubles related to jerky encoding (but they are not related to the interlace), please see:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&perpage=20&pagenumber=11

In my opinion, for the implications with DVD-RB, it is better to wait until the actual 2 majour type of bugs of DVD-RB are corrected, since their impact on the % of the DVD title backups is very high...

Just for my couriosity, could you please check what is the size [I mean 720 x 576 or 704 x 576] which is reported by Dvd2Avi when you open each one of the VOBS of your title ?

Cheers,
SD

wmansir

7th April 2004, 14:16

Movie: This is Spinaltap / R1
1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: FieldDeinterlace() added to SOME progressive clips, but Decomb was not loaded, so an avisynth error was generated.

This was another 1-click test I did overnight last night. I woke up and found it about 1 gig undersized. Examining the files I found that some of the progressive material had FieldDeinterlace() in the script, but decomb was not loaded in these scripts, which caused an error.

djan

7th April 2004, 15:40

Originally posted by Wilbert
Sorry for being ot:

If you deinterlace before converting to YUY2, you should use

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=false)

or what is the same

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2()

However, since your are encoding to dvd I guess, you shouldn't deinterlace at all. In that case, just use

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("S:\- DVD -\GAD2_1_SCN\RB\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,1437)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Btw, about AudioDub(BlankClip()). I don't use CCE (so I'm sure someone will correct me), but with older versions as 2.67 you need that line so that CCE works correctly (reason is not important). 2.67 doesn't need that.

But I see it's working fine for you, without adding that line :confused: Hi, the script is auto-generated by DVDRB so it's to jdobb to talk about. :)

I tried the same movie without FieldDeinterlace() and the movie looked very bad on WinDVD, I don't know if it's the same on my standAlone. Isn't the deinterlace function used to make compression easier and better ? If not, as I would use the DVD only on standalones, I prefer to not deinterlace.

I don't think DECOMB is needed when using ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true). Is it ?

jikchung

7th April 2004, 15:58

@jdobbs

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

Still getting chapter stutter, chapters not updated in display if rewind/FF is used, and wrong display of elapsed times.

On the other hand, this disc was giving me the 0004 error previously in rebuild. Saw the post by sreemv about specifying the path to MPEG2DEC3DG.dll. So I specified the path and got no error on rebuild.

Wilbert

7th April 2004, 16:08

I tried the same movie without FieldDeinterlace() and the movie looked very bad on WinDVD, I don't know if it's the same on my standAlone. Isn't the deinterlace function used to make compression easier and better ?
No. (Although it makes compression easier and better.) It is used it you encode to XviD/DivX (VCD, sometimes SVCD), for playback on your pc. When playing back with WinDVD you have to select one of those deinterlace options (somewhere in the menu :)). It should be fine on your standalone though.

Deinterlacing degrades the quality of the video.

I don't think DECOMB is needed when using ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true). Is it ?
True, not needed.

Hi, the script is auto-generated by DVDRB so it's to jdobb to talk about. :)
jdobb, where are you?

bodhead

7th April 2004, 16:27

to Sir Didymus

my VOBS show 720 x 576
if thats any help

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 16:28

If your source is interlaced -- ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) will be used. DECOMB will only be used if you have checked it under options and the source is interlaced. You don't always need to use deinterlacing -- in fact it is probably best not to use it in most scenarios.

Hi, the script is auto-generated by DVDRB so it's to jdobb to talk about Only if you select it.

trebor

7th April 2004, 18:38

Originally posted by robw
Finally, I went to the registry and figured out (thanks quantum) that it was pointing to somewhere other than the avisynth directory. Actually, it was pointing to a subdirectory created by Chatwalker the creator of DVD2DVD-R. I suspect more than a few people using DVD-RB have fallen into the same "gotcha."

That's exactly what happened to me to. Dvdrebuilder used the avisynth plugin located in c:\program\dvd2dvdr\avisynth\plugins instead of the one i just installed in c:\program\avisynth2.5\plugins. I have no idea why but editing avisynth path in registry did the trick :p
In my case it didn't result in any errormessage but instead the final outcome was way to small (around 1.5gb) but not any longer :D

sreemv

7th April 2004, 19:53

Does anyone else have problems burning the result from DVD-RB 0.31 to disk using Nero 6.3.1.6?

It complains "video files relocation failed"?

7th April 2004, 19:58

I've done 4 movies with 0.31, neither have had Nero complain about the vobs. A few of the ones I did with 0.30 had.

-tf

robw

7th April 2004, 20:04

gearpro professional 6.03 also complains. I don't have the exact message right now but will post later. So far, I have ignored the warning and DVDs have played ok

Toranaga

7th April 2004, 20:15

I just tried Blade II NTSC again with 0.31 and playback is still choppy allthough less than with 0.28. However as long as the there are dopouts in the audio and video it is unusable. I am trying my luck with Finding Nemo PAL as I am typing this. I will let you now how it goes. I am using CCE 4-pass.

Joergen

7th April 2004, 21:32

Dont waste computing time with über-19-pass encoding if youre just testing.

I've done four burns from different movies with dvdrb 27 and 31 and nero hasnt complained.

robot1

7th April 2004, 21:56

@Toranaga
Isn't Finding Nemo multi-angle?
These features aren't supported yet.

Toranaga

7th April 2004, 22:07

It says nothing on the package about multi-angle.

wmansir

7th April 2004, 22:11

Originally posted by Toranaga
It says nothing on the package about multi-angle.

It's not multi-angle, it has seamless branching, which also isn't supported. It is what is used to do the 'visual commentary'.

cleo510

7th April 2004, 22:17

Hello jdobbs,

I've posted a bug report but unfortunaly I've created a new tread instead to post it in this one.
It's called DVDRB bug report and created yesterday by me (cleo510).
Have you a idea about this bug, Msc_Alex have the same bug!

Cleo510

djan

8th April 2004, 00:34

Originally posted by jdobbs
If your source is interlaced -- ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) will be used. DECOMB will only be used if you have checked it under options and the source is interlaced. You don't always need to use deinterlacing -- in fact it is probably best not to use it in most scenarios.

Only if you select it. jdobbs, I was refering to what Wilbert told about.

If you deinterlace before converting to YUY2, you should use

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=false)

or what is the same

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2()

WndrBr3d

8th April 2004, 02:34

I get a 'Runtime Error 52: Bad File Name or Nuber' when I start DVD-RB.

I've trouble shooted the problem and it's because the source folder no longer exists. I unmounted the ISO and the re-started DVD-RB. When I comment out the 'SOURCE=' line in the INI file, the error stops.

Aside from that, EXCELLENT software. I'm pleased I finally have a 1-Click solution that supports CCE.

Keep up the good work!

Also, quick question. You say you want people to buy CCE Basic for $59, but from what i've seen, couldn't I just use the CCE Trial with eclCCE and it'll allow my to do multi-pass? Is there an advantage to the full version of CCE Basic compared to the trial of CCE SP with eclCCE?

Again, great software. I cant sing enough praise! :D

Paced

8th April 2004, 02:56

@djan - and others whom are interested

In my experience, Telecide() is a better choice over FieldDeinterlace() - at least for PAL users anyway. FieldDeinterlace (even with 'blend=false') generates unacceptable "artifacts." Check out this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72648

You'll see what I mean after reading through it :cool:

jdobbs

8th April 2004, 03:40

Originally posted by WndrBr3d
I get a 'Runtime Error 52: Bad File Name or Nuber' when I start DVD-RB.

I've trouble shooted the problem and it's because the source folder no longer exists. I unmounted the ISO and the re-started DVD-RB. When I comment out the 'SOURCE=' line in the INI file, the error stops.

Aside from that, EXCELLENT software. I'm pleased I finally have a 1-Click solution that supports CCE.

Keep up the good work!

Also, quick question. You say you want people to buy CCE Basic for $59, but from what i've seen, couldn't I just use the CCE Trial with eclCCE and it'll allow my to do multi-pass? Is there an advantage to the full version of CCE Basic compared to the trial of CCE SP with eclCCE?

Again, great software. I cant sing enough praise! :D I'm not sure what limitations are placed on the trial version. I have no connection to Cinema Craft and don't want to appear to "want" anyone to do anything -- but I do believe that their encoder is the best on the market and as such is deserving of purchase. I personally bought it for that reason.

KungFuCow

8th April 2004, 03:43

If youre using the trial version in it's true form, there will be a watermark on your encoding project, if you aren't, well, shame on you.

I bought CCE Basic since this is what JDobbs is developing with. Had everyone done this, it would have saved him a lot of headaches Ill bet.

WndrBr3d

8th April 2004, 03:45

Originally posted by KungFuCow
If youre using the trial version in it's true form, there will be a watermark on your encoding project, if you aren't, well, shame on you.

I bought CCE Basic since this is what JDobbs is developing with. Had everyone done this, it would have saved him a lot of headaches Ill bet.

oooh yeah, watermark. *cough* uhmm... i dont mind it much. *cough*

:rolleyes:

cyb0rg

8th April 2004, 11:39

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:
runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range.
Movie: Pulp Fiction PAL

Right after pressing the prepare button, RB stops and give me the runtime error 9.

8th April 2004, 12:37

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.7b)
4. Bug encountered:

Movie (The Eye, PAL R2) stops showing subtitles after chapter 10 (about an hour into the movie). Rewinding to previous chapter, enables the subtitles again. Before rewinding, I tried changing subtitles, but to no effect. It was as if it needed to "resync".

This occurs on both my Pioneer DV343 and my Euroline standalones, as well as in PowerDVD.

The output had been burned with Nero and Nero reported no errors whatsoever.

-tf

djan

8th April 2004, 13:34

Originally posted by Paced
@djan - and others whom are interested

In my experience, Telecide() is a better choice over FieldDeinterlace() - at least for PAL users anyway. FieldDeinterlace (even with 'blend=false') generates unacceptable "artifacts." Check out this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72648

You'll see what I mean after reading through it :cool: Thx for your advice but I decided to no more deinterlace as I intend to only use my DVD's on my standalone. Also, like said Wilbert, deinterlacing is more for Divx and all.

DrVenkman

8th April 2004, 13:51

I was told to post this here and not the other thread so here goes...

A little problem I got is that I tried backing up 'Black Hawk Down' R2 Pal. Now the disc itself is around 6.5 Gigs, with about 6 gigs being just the movie. I ran the 'Prepare' stage and got this;

-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started - Time: 12:20:21
- VTS_02: 2,878,832 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- 207,650/0 FRAMES/RFFS
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 41.4%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,889Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION complete - Time: 12:25:34

Surely 1.8kbs is a bit low for a movie like BHD? So I started encoding with CCE and worked out roughly (By the file size it was so far compared to the percentage completed) that I would get about a 3-3.5gb output file. Bear in mind this has no DTS track either, just 5.1 and 3 commentaries.

I tried it with Re-jig and to be honest it came out pretty bad with quite a bit of Pixelation, and this wasn't even on any of the battle scenes.

Any suggestions?

Oldeman

8th April 2004, 15:11

version .31
QuEnc .45
Run time 5 on Vob 3 cellid 1

movie Predator R1
hid extras and menu buttons with DVDReMake

options: one click, minimize, dynamic bit rate, supress warnings

Run Rebuilder with ReJig.. worked fine.
Run Rebuilder with QuEnc.. error 5 on VOB 3 cell ID 1

QuEnc has failed on three dffent movies the same way, It always seems to fail on VOD 3 Cell id 1..???? In two cases, I've ended up with about half of the chapters of the main feature.
It could be QuEnc :confused: ReJig :)

rui

8th April 2004, 16:05

Hi there:

I have been using your software for a few days, and must say that it’s a GREAT program.

I already made movies using CCE, QuEnc and Rejig, all with great success.

But… I am trying to compress some DVD episodes of the 2nd world war, and in all of them I get the Run-time error ‘9’ Subscript out of range.

But this only happens at this DVD episodes. When doing full movies, all goes very well.

I ripped the full DVD episode to the hard disk with DVD Decrypter. I am using DVD-RB 0.31, with CCE trial 2.67.00.23 in conjunction with eclCCE 1.8b, and the latest Rejig and QuEnc.
All was installed following the readme to the letter.

The error appears in the Prepare stage, and happens with CCE, QuEnc and Rejig.

dvdRENEGADE

8th April 2004, 18:50

jdobbs,
Would it possible for DVD-RB to check for button commands within vob sets (button over video) and then to pop up a notice that DVD-RB doesn't support this feature yet as it does with seamless branching, etc.?
dvdRENEGADE

sreemv

8th April 2004, 19:01

Just when I thought I found perfection - it hits me with a video stutter/jumpyness when I played the DVD-R on the standalone player. The same DVD-R (encoded from DVD-RB 0.31) works perfectly on the computer but not on the standalone. But I wonder why!?

So I guess I join all those eager users waiting and hoping to see this fixed.

NanoBot

8th April 2004, 19:22

Hi jdobbs, hi folks

first off all a big thanks to you, jdobbs, your program is great !

Second a hint to all users of CCE 2.50: If you use the task manager to set the priority of DVDRebuilder at "low" before starting the encoding process, all resulting daughter processes, thats EclCCE und CCE itself, will also run at low priority. That will allow you to do something else with your pc when CCE is running.

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.8b)
4. Bug encountered:

I just did Matrix Revolutions PAL RC2 ( german version ) und the following bug occured:

DVDRebuilder worked through all steps normally, but Nero 5.5.10.35 complained that it cannot reallocate the files because the size of one of the files is not a multiple of 2048 byte.

After that I loaded the resulting files into IfoEdit 0.96 and by using "correct VTS_Sectors" IfoEdit reports that the start block of the second VTS had to be corrected from 0 to 7.

Nevertheless, even after correcting this Nero again gave the error message that it cannot reallocate the files.

I ignored that error message and the burned result works 100% in my CH402 DVD player.

I checked the size of the resulting files, and all but one had a size which is a multiple of 2048 bytes. But both the original VTS_02_0.VOB and the resulting VTS_02_0.VOB had a size of 0 bytes. Could that be the reason why Nero and Ifoedit are complaining ?

BTW.: Maybe somebody else asked before, but are there any chances that future releases of DVDRebuilder will be able also to compress the menu videos ? For example, on this DVD the VTS_01_0.VOB is 445MB, so compressing the menus could save some bitrate for the main movie.

C.U. NanoBot

nwg

8th April 2004, 20:03

I checked the size of the resulting files, and all but one had a size which is a multiple of 2048 bytes. But both the original VTS_02_0.VOB and the resulting VTS_02_0.VOB had a size of 0 bytes. Could that be the reason why Nero and Ifoedit are complaining ?

I have got the same thing with my Matrix Revolutions (UK). I got round it by deleting 2_0.VOB. Nero complained it was no referenced. Nero then burned it sucessfully and it plays fine.

I thought DVD-RB had mucked it up but it was like that on the source DVD.

micro9mm

8th April 2004, 20:46

Note: sory if this was covered already in the other thread...I read all the posts in this thread but didnt see anything.

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE sp 2.50.01.00
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered:

im tryin to make a backup of jurasic park and every time I try using DVD-RB the output is WAY to big. 8.91 gigs actualy, even though the original is only 7.47 gigs. I tryed both the "one click" and "three click" methods. I also tryed checking the "resize to half D1" option, but its still 8.91 gigs. Any help would be great! thanks.

Msc_Alex

8th April 2004, 22:20

@rui

have you tried this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=469288&highlight=master+bottom#post469288)

worked for me
:D

VampHuntD

9th April 2004, 00:47

Hey Jdobbs, got an issue using these

DVD-RB .31
CCE 2.67.03
ECL 1.7b

After I burn the burn to disc, I experiance some small stutters after a new chapter starts on the disc. It always happens a litle after the chapter starts. It seems this only happens on my xbox however. This was the same issue I had in .26 The Xbox has never stuttered on a backup other than a dvd-rb backup.

And as for the suggestion I made earlier, wouldn't it be possible for DVD-RB to use the same Bitrate calc that apps like RA and DIF4U use? I think having that ability (To select bitrates and have them calculted) would make this app absolutly unstoppable, not that it isn't already! Thanks for all your work!

Joergen

9th April 2004, 01:07

Now there's a common denominator! If jdobbs can find an xbox to test with and replicate the stutter, he can finally see it in action.

SAPSTAR

9th April 2004, 03:54

Here is a bug report encountered on PITCH BLACK :

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.66 Trial
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: During the Rebuild phase, I have the following message "DVD rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0003. Process must abort", I check the m2v where it ended it's not a still frame movie. It's the movie generated for the VOBID:01, CELLID:16.

I'll try to regenerate the movie file with another encoder and rerun the merge part.

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 04:40

Originally posted by NanoBot
Hi jdobbs, hi folks

first off all a big thanks to you, jdobbs, your program is great !

Second a hint to all users of CCE 2.50: If you use the task manager to set the priority of DVDRebuilder at "low" before starting the encoding process, all resulting daughter processes, thats EclCCE und CCE itself, will also run at low priority. That will allow you to do something else with your pc when CCE is running.

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.8b)
4. Bug encountered:

I just did Matrix Revolutions PAL RC2 ( german version ) und the following bug occured:

DVDRebuilder worked through all steps normally, but Nero 5.5.10.35 complained that it cannot reallocate the files because the size of one of the files is not a multiple of 2048 byte.

After that I loaded the resulting files into IfoEdit 0.96 and by using "correct VTS_Sectors" IfoEdit reports that the start block of the second VTS had to be corrected from 0 to 7.

Nevertheless, even after correcting this Nero again gave the error message that it cannot reallocate the files.

I ignored that error message and the burned result works 100% in my CH402 DVD player.

I checked the size of the resulting files, and all but one had a size which is a multiple of 2048 bytes. But both the original VTS_02_0.VOB and the resulting VTS_02_0.VOB had a size of 0 bytes. Could that be the reason why Nero and Ifoedit are complaining ?

BTW.: Maybe somebody else asked before, but are there any chances that future releases of DVDRebuilder will be able also to compress the menu videos ? For example, on this DVD the VTS_01_0.VOB is 445MB, so compressing the menus could save some bitrate for the main movie.

C.U. NanoBot After I get the BOV portions working it should be fairly easy to compress menus as well. I wasn't planning to do this -- but it appears to be a popular request. I personally like to keep menus intact... but I bow to the will of the masses.

SAPSTAR

9th April 2004, 06:50

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
Here is a bug report encountered on PITCH BLACK :

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.66 Trial
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: During the Rebuild phase, I have the following message "DVD rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0003. Process must abort", I check the m2v where it ended it's not a still frame movie. It's the movie generated for the VOBID:01, CELLID:16.

I'll try to regenerate the movie file with another encoder and rerun the merge part.

It worked !!! I reencoded the movie from VOBID:01, CELLID:16 with TMPGEnc, applying the pulldown directly with it...and it worked the error in DVD-R appeared the next movie cell....

@jdobbs : My conclusion of this experiment is => the buffer overflow Error #0003 is an error coming from the pulldown part in the merge operation.....

HarryM

9th April 2004, 06:59

Where can I set the size of finalize reencoded DVD? I get still a relatively big undersize (cca 50-60 MB!).

Tironic

9th April 2004, 09:34

1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: ReJig
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered: Major stuttering in WiNDVD Platinum with Underworld R1.
It's kind of strange. Only the second 'half' of the dvd stutters if you seek with the timeshifter. The video can't keep up with the audio.
The dvd pays fine in Media Player Classic 6.4.7.8.
I haven't played it on a standalone dvd-player, cause i don't want to wast any dvds

I'm still convinced that the stuutering might have some thing to do with layer breaks and with the demuxing proces of the vobs to mpv/m2v in the prepare-fase (but i might be horribly wrong).

The rebuilding is mighty fine.
I used vobedit the demux the original vobs to ac3/m2v/sup. I replaced the original sups with dutch sups i made with srt2sup. I then authored with ifoedit to vobs.
I replaced the original vobs with the newly authored vobs. These vobs were then the template for ONLY the rebuild fase.
After rebuilding i got a perfect DVDr copy with dutch subs. :D
So i think it won't be hard to implement sup-replacement support.

I hope this helps you all a bit. Keep up the good work jdobbs. I really appreciate what you're doing.

Tironic

walkistalki

9th April 2004, 09:58

@HarryM

50 MB, isn't that only 1%?

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 10:48

Originally posted by HarryM
Where can I set the size of finalize reencoded DVD? I get still a relatively big undersize (cca 50-60 MB!). You can set the target size with "TargetSectors=" in the REBUILDER.INI file. Or you can enter it for individual encoders with "CCETargetSectors=", "ReJigTargetSectors=", and "QuEncTargetSectors=" the value represents the number of 2KB sectors to aim for and can be set up to 2297888. Be careful, though because encoding isn't 100% accurate and you can oversize easily.

But if you are within 50-60MB you are within 1.3% of the maximum size for the disc.

rui

9th April 2004, 10:59

Originally posted by Msc_Alex
@rui

have you tried this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=469288&highlight=master+bottom#post469288)

worked for me
:D

IT WORKED.:) Many thanks. I still need to test if the movie will come out ok, but it didn't show the error anymore.

Thanks again :)

P.S. I didn't used my brain (at least for searching the solution), like you so wisely have in your sig :D

EDIT1:But... What are we doing by changing that code? It seems that this problem appears in interlaced sources (that's what Top or Bottom Field means, right?) Are we changing the code so it seems as a non interlaced source?

I wonder what the video will look like..

But, again, thanks for your tip :)

EDIT2: Hum.. crashed again. So i went to look were it crashed (VTS_03), opened it with VobEdit and found out that it has LOTS (and i mean LOTS) of GOP I, with that code :(

I think i will wait until jdobbs fixs this one.

Msc_Alex

9th April 2004, 12:29

@rui
I wise I knew why , we chanced the fist header of the fist Group Of Pictures to be tagged as
Frame Pictures where it was Interlaced. But this problem only happens when the source is
Interlaced and bottom field first, I had the ConvertToYUY2(Interlaced=true) (dvdRB V0.27) set and everything went ok came out pretty good to. It looks like the dvd2avi part of DVD-RB has a problem
with tag (IBFF)

ps I only edited the fist IGop of every VTS, so you only need to set the first IGop in your VTS_0*

good luck

joaoccc

9th April 2004, 13:16

Hello

Run time error 9
Subscript out of sync.

I'm trying to use Rebuilder in Tears of the Sun, but it always give me the runtime error 9 when is trying to scanning and writing the d2v.

Regards

SAPSTAR

9th April 2004, 14:21

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
It worked !!! I reencoded the movie from VOBID:01, CELLID:16 with TMPGEnc, applying the pulldown directly with it...and it worked the error in DVD-R appeared the next movie cell....

@jdobbs : My conclusion of this experiment is => the buffer overflow Error #0003 is an error coming from the pulldown part in the merge operation.....

I'm wrong...I tried again with the next movie cell and the error was still there.....

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 14:55

rui

9th April 2004, 15:21

Originally posted by Msc_Alex
@rui
I wise I knew why , we chanced the fist header of the fist Group Of Pictures to be tagged as
Frame Pictures where it was Interlaced. But this problem only happens when the source is
Interlaced and bottom field first, I had the ConvertToYUY2(Interlaced=true) (dvdRB V0.27) set and everything went ok came out pretty good to. It looks like the dvd2avi part of DVD-RB has a problem
with tag (IBFF)

ps I only edited the fist IGop of every VTS, so you only need to set the first IGop in your VTS_0*

good luck

Humm. So, that option is no longer available, right? At leats, i can't find it. One could edit the AVS scripts, but would take too long, they are to many.

Could that option be enabled again?

By the way, my crash was in VTS_03, and i changed the value in the 1st GOP, but it still crashed. That's why i went to look fore more GOP's and found many. Just by changing the first one wouldn't be enough, at least in my case.

EDIT: Forget about it, i was missing some GOP's in some VTS that seemed not have any. Sorry about that :o

NanoBot

9th April 2004, 15:28

Hi jdobbs,

Originally posted by jdobbs
After I get the BOV portions working it should be fairly easy to compress menus as well. I wasn't planning to do this -- but it appears to be a popular request. I personally like to keep menus intact... but I bow to the will of the masses.

thanks in advance for that, jdobbs.

C.U. NanoBot

DrVenkman

9th April 2004, 15:49

Just to answer my own problem, and something for people who are having trouble with Low bitrates. It seems that the Menu alone for 'Black Hawk Down' was nearly a gig! I ran the disc through DVDShrink and compressed the Menu right down, then when I ran the prepare stage I got an average Bitrate of 2.5, which makes much more of a difference than 1.8kbs believe me.

So I think re-encoding the menu/extras would be a good thing to include on a forthcoming release, not that the program isn't perfect enough as it is!

StifflerStealth

9th April 2004, 15:54

Originally posted by DrVenkman
Just to answer my own problem, and something for people who are having trouble with Low bitrates. It seems that the Menu alone for 'Black Hawk Down' was nearly a gig! I ran the disc through DVDShrink and compressed the Menu right down, then when I ran the prepare stage I got an average Bitrate of 2.5, which makes much more of a difference than 1.8kbs believe me.

So I think re-encoding the menu/extras would be a good thing to include on a forthcoming release, not that the program isn't perfect enough as it is!

For those of you with CCE, why don't you use NuMenu4U. It uses CCE, so the menus will look great. It's also free :D

Stiff

Joergen

9th April 2004, 17:14

There sure are alot of tools out there! Never heard of numenu4u but I'll give it a try.

The only prob with using several tools is that you dont know if they all work or not.. so you end up with several multipliers for creating a coaster.

EDIT; BatchCCEWS doesnt support neither of the CCE versions I have installed so nice tool but no go :(

nwg

9th April 2004, 17:38

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

031
CCE 2.50
eclCCE 1.8

I got dvd compliance failed when trying to burn in Nero. I ended up deleting the BUP's and copying the IFO's to new BUP's.

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 17:41

Originally posted by nwg
Texas Chainsaw Massacre

031
CCE 2.50
eclCCE 1.8

I got dvd compliance failed when trying to burn in Nero. I ended up deleting the BUP's and copying the IFO's to new BUP's. Did you preprocess with some other package? I've gone over this several times and I can't find a way that this could be caused by DVD-RB.

nwg

9th April 2004, 17:46

Did you preprocess with some other package? I've gone over this several times and I can't find a way that this could be caused by DVD-RB.

No.

I just decrypted with DVD Decrypter in file mode (all files).

It is the first time I have had this for a while and the other DVD's I have done went through DVD-RB just fine.

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 17:50

Originally posted by nwg
No.

I just decrypted with DVD Decrypter in file mode (all files).

It is the first time I have had this for a while and the other DVD's I have done went through DVD-RB just fine. Have you tried comparing the IFO/BUP files before DVD-RB runs against them? You never know sometimes...

nwg

9th April 2004, 18:00

Have you tried comparing the IFO/BUP files before DVD-RB runs against them? You never know sometimes...

Good idea, I never thought of that.

I put the files through Nero and tried to record a NRG image. I got the same compliance error.

So that means the original is like that?

VampHuntD

9th April 2004, 19:20

Nero sucks at burning dvd, I used to have coasters with it all the time on things that workinf in other burners. Use something else.

Msc_Alex

9th April 2004, 19:34

Jdobbs

I made a super mini dvd of 1 MB which will cause the runtime 9 error.

Almost spend a hour to figure out why I got a Runtime 11 “division by zero”
error every time I tried to run it with Rebuilder, finally figured it out.
55 MB, if the size of the dvd was smaller then 55 MB I would get the Runtime 11 error
if bigger then it would give the runtime 9 error.

The trick with this Super Mini DVD is to just add any (real) VOB file to this 1MB dir to make the total size larger then 55 MB. And then you will get the runtime 9 error. I would like to send this SMDVD to you, please just send a PM were to send it to.

Feels like brain surgery on the enigma machine :p

nwg

9th April 2004, 19:59

Nero sucks at burning dvd, I used to have coasters with it all the time on things that workinf in other burners. Use something else.

I never had any problems with Nero for the many years I have used it. I have had not one coaster (CD or DVD).

Anyway, I also use copytodvd and DVD Decrypter.

Joergen

9th April 2004, 20:46

Ok I tried numenu4u with robshot 3pass on an indyjones 500MB menu (it didnt see the italian menus out of the english so language selecting was useless) and the process was extremely slow and created a pixelated ugly menu as a result. But as I said before, menus often cant be compressed too much, and partial stripping is a better option.

By using menuedit or dvd2avi to pick the italian cells to remove I can get 200MB menu with no compression in 5 minutes.

jdobbs: In DVD-RB's case it would be preferrable (in the future) that it NEVER would compress menus unless specifically requested.. or could somehow analyse the menu items to see if they can take a decent amount of compressing. It would be quite a disappointment if 15 hours later you get a great looking movie but a terrible menu :)

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 20:55

Originally posted by nwg
Good idea, I never thought of that.

I put the files through Nero and tried to record a NRG image. I got the same compliance error.

So that means the original is like that? Probably. I've seen some pretty strange things on commercial DVDs.

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 20:57

Originally posted by Joergen
Ok I tried numenu4u with robshot 3pass on an indyjones 500MB menu (it didnt see the italian menus out of the english so language selecting was useless) and the process was extremely slow and created a pixelated ugly menu as a result. But as I said before, menus often cant be compressed too much, and partial stripping is a better option.

By using menuedit or dvd2avi to pick the italian cells to remove I can get 200MB menu with no compression in 5 minutes.

jdobbs: In DVD-RB's case it would be preferrable (in the future) that it NEVER would compress menus unless specifically requested.. or could somehow analyse the menu items to see if they can take a decent amount of compressing. It would be quite a disappointment if 15 hours later you get a great looking movie but a terrible menu :) I couldn't agree more. I hate putting in a DVD only to be confronted with a block pixelated selection list...

YaoMing11

9th April 2004, 21:11

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

I got this error during the rebuilding phase of a CCE project.:(

Also I've had this problem with 2 movies already. I choose the audio to keep in DVD-RB, and use Rejig. When it is finished I test the movie out in Power DVD, and it doesnt have audio. It says audio not available.

quantum

9th April 2004, 21:52

Originally posted by jdobbs
I couldn't agree more. I hate putting in a DVD only to be confronted with a block pixelated selection list... Sometimes trailers or other extras are put in with the menu's. It's nice to be able to reduce these assuming you still want them. Also some menus have videos which make them very large. The Soprano's disks come to mind. With these packed episode disks you might have to encode at 2200 to retain the full menu's which can be 700megs. Crunching the menu's in half can get you up closer to the point where blocks disappear in your main title.

Agreed that for most disks this type of thing is not necessary.

Axlemar

9th April 2004, 23:01

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

In my personal experiences errors like 000x are sometimes caused if you try to use the newest beta of avisynth instead of 2.54. If you get a similiar message try switching version of avisynth.

m3taPT

10th April 2004, 00:11

Originally posted by Axlemar
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

In my personal experiences errors like 000x are sometimes caused if you try to use the newest beta of avisynth instead of 2.54. If you get a similiar message try switching version of avisynth.

Not really. 3 backups tested, this error popped on 2 of them. Dvd-rb .31+(CCE/QuEnc)+Avisynth 2.54.

YaoMing11

10th April 2004, 03:49

Has anybody had trouble with the audio using Rejig with DVD-RB? 2 times already I tested the movie on my pc and it didnt have an audio source in Power DVD. I didnt test it in the player cause i dont want to waste a DVD.

YaoMing11

10th April 2004, 08:48

Originally posted by Axlemar
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

In my personal experiences errors like 000x are sometimes caused if you try to use the newest beta of avisynth instead of 2.54. If you get a similiar message try switching version of avisynth.

I reinstalled avisynth 2.54 and Im still etting this error. I made a successful backup 2 days ago with Panic Room and rejig. Im trying Scent of a Woman and keep getting this same error always halfway through the rebuilding phase. :confused:

SAPSTAR

10th April 2004, 15:12

Originally posted by Axlemar
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

In my personal experiences errors like 000x are sometimes caused if you try to use the newest beta of avisynth instead of 2.54. If you get a similiar message try switching version of avisynth.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Avisynth is NOT used during the Rebuild part...but only during the encoding part...so it can't be Avisynth !!!!

CiViC

10th April 2004, 16:20

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
Correct me if I'm wrong but Avisynth is NOT used during the Rebuild part...but only during the encoding part...so it can't be Avisynth !!!!

Actually I had the same error, and I found it was because decomb.dll in the avisynth\plugins folder got corrupt during a previous "random reboot" .. what happened as a result was my deinterlaced m2v's weren't getting deinterlaced, they only had an avisynth error message imbedded in them; after putting a good version of decomb.dll in that folder, i reprocessed the dvd and voila, that problem was squashed.

YaoMing11

10th April 2004, 20:28

I put a fresh copy of decomb.dll in the plugins folder. Im still getting the error.

Now its "DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0003. stop statement encountered."

I was getting a error #0004 now it changed to #0003.

Oldeman

11th April 2004, 02:39

DVD-RB .33
Rejig
Options:
Supress warning
One click
Dynamic bit rate

Movie: Tora Tora Tora NTSC R1
Hid extras with DvdReMake.
Removed 2-channel audio tracks with DVD-RB

Run time 9 during rebuild-> Seg 24 Vob 17 Cellid 1
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:17, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07.D2V")
trim(117237,125540)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Do I need AVS options with ReJig???

I have done other movies with DVD-RB sucessfully.

System AMD 750, 256Mb, Win98SE

Joergen

11th April 2004, 02:47

Oldeman: could you try without touching anything in the original? It would be most interesting to see if the error is cause of the butchering.

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 02:59

Originally posted by Oldeman
DVD-RB .33
Rejig
Options:
Supress warning
One click
Dynamic bit rate

Movie: Tora Tora Tora NTSC R1
Hid extras with DvdReMake.
Removed 2-channel audio tracks with DVD-RB

Run time 9 during rebuild-> Seg 24 Vob 17 Cellid 1
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:17, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07.D2V")
trim(117237,125540)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Do I need AVS options with ReJig???

I have done other movies with DVD-RB sucessfully.

System AMD 750, 256Mb, Win98SE I wish I could make these damn Runtime '9' errors go away. I think I may have "Tora Tora Tora" -- I'll run downstairs and check... isn't it pitiful when you buy so many DVDs that you can't even remember which ones you own?

Joergen

11th April 2004, 03:03

If it were up to the MPAA, they'd include De-Neuralizer(tm) protection that zaps you when the movie ends so you dont remember anything of it, and as you leave the theater a guy hands out fliers for the same movie and you go "hey I'd like to see this one!".

wmansir

11th April 2004, 03:04

Originally posted by jdobbs
isn't it pitiful when you buy so many DVDs that you can't even remember which ones you own?

Yes, but it's fun when you find one you forgot you bought. It's like a present you give yourself. :) I hope that's what Alzheimer's is like.

chadp1a

11th April 2004, 04:05

DVDRB .33
EclCCE 1.7
CCE 2.67

Matrix 3

All three phases completed with no errors. I attempted to burn with Nero and got reallocation failed error. I then ran the files through IfoEdit get vts sectors and it made corrections. Tried again to burn with Nero but still got the reallocation error.

Next I ran the dvdrb output thru DvdShrink with no compression set. I ran Ifoedit on the resulting output from DvdShrink and it corrected a couple of sectors. I tried Nero again and did not receive the reallocation error. The burn went fine and the movie seems to play perfect.

@jdobbs

I have the ifo's from the dvdrb/ifoedit output and the dvdrb/dvdshrink/ifoedit output in case you want to look at them.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 04:09

chadp1a: didnt matrix revolutions have a 0Byte VOB in it? All that trickery you did just removed that .vob thats all.

KungFuCow

11th April 2004, 04:11

Kind of uneventful.. just finished Alias Season 1 (Disk 2) and it rebuilt no problems. Looks good in PowerDVD, all navigation, etc seems to be working fine. Doing Disc 3 now then Ill test in my standalones.

Great job JDobbs :)

Axlemar

11th April 2004, 04:12

With the new version DVDRB .33 does anyone have problems selecting the paths to things like quenc and MPEG2Dec3dg.dll under setup? The first time I selected either path the program froze, and when I went back into it the path that it froze on was filled in with what I selected. I can still get it the run but this is the first time it has froze when making selections in setup. Thanks for your hard work everyone!

chadp1a

11th April 2004, 04:13

Originally posted by Joergen
chadp1a: didnt matrix revolutions have a 0Byte VOB in it? All that trickery you did just removed that .vob thats all.

So should I have just removed the 0byte VOB that dvdrb created too, or would I have been ok just to ignore the reallocation error? I'm a little lost now:confused:

Joergen

11th April 2004, 04:16

I think you can just delete the 0byte file in nero in the VIDEO_TS (inside nero itself in the dvd video template) dir, and apparently DVDShrink also removes such files when you run stuff through it.

dvd-rb copies small files over as-is and so copies a 0byte file too (perhaps something for jdobbs could fix if it doesnt hurt the allocation).

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 04:19

Originally posted by Joergen
I think you can just delete the 0byte file in nero in the VIDEO_TS dir, and apparently DVDShrink also removes such files when you run stuff through it. Do you think I should dump any 0byte files also? I hesitate to do it -- but can't for the life of me figure why it would make a difference...

Joergen

11th April 2004, 04:21

Originally posted by jdobbs
Do you think I should dump any 0byte files also? I hesitate to do it -- but can't for the life of me figure why it would make a difference...

I'm no expert but I deleted it in the nero template and it didnt hurt me on two diff players. Allocation might go beyond the file size, as the file table still has bytes reserved for the file even though it's 0 bytes.

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 04:24

Originally posted by Joergen
I'm no expert but I deleted it in the nero template and it didnt hurt me on two diff players. Allocation might go beyond the file size, as the file table still has bytes reserved for the file even though it's 0 bytes. Yeah, but it doesn't figure in any of the offset calculations that are in the IFOs... I don't think it makes any difference, the question is: Why are they there on the original? Authoring requirements?

Joergen

11th April 2004, 04:27

More likely an authoring error. I think it was the video_ts.vob on the R2 version and there's no need for it is there in the standard?

Well 0 isnt a multiple of (insertrequirementhere) so its breaking the standard in itself.

quantum

11th April 2004, 05:12

Originally posted by jdobbs
I wish I could make these damn Runtime '9' errors go away. I think I may have "Tora Tora Tora" -- I'll run downstairs and check... isn't it pitiful when you buy so many DVDs that you can't even remember which ones you own? FYI, I did Tora Tora Tora a week or two ago (with an earlier dvdrb version obviously) and had no errors. In fact I haven't had a runtime 9 error yet but I haven't done that many disks.

Oldeman

11th April 2004, 05:22

DVD-RB .33
Rejig
etc etc etc

no extras removed..
removed 2 channel audio with DVD-RB unchecking...

still get run time 9 (subscript range) Seq 24 Vob 17 Cellid 1
during rebuild.
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:17, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07.D2V")
trim(117237,125540)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

DSP8000

11th April 2004, 08:29

First of all thaks for the tool jdobbs.I've been using DVD2DVD-R for all my movies that require heavy compression,but not re-encoding them with CCE but MainConcept Encoder 1.4.2 & Canopus ProCoder Express.Your tool made me to download the demo version of CCE.
Now the question:
Is it just me or everyone has to edit the ecl file created from DVD-RB.Even if I set it to 3 VBR passes the ecl says 2.I'm using DVD-RB v0.33 on movie Titanic.I believe the DVD-RB sets the correct bitrate in the ecl file so the movie can fit on DVD-R no undersizing, right?
Also I'm using EclCCE v1.8 as suggested in the read me file.
Please can you support MainConcept Encoder & Canopus ProCoder in your tool?

THX. again
Keep up the good work
DSP8000

nwg

11th April 2004, 08:43

I deleted the 0 bytes files and it worked fine in Nero. The Nero error is that the 2_0.VOB is not referenced in the ifo's.

It does seem to be bad authoring for a commercial DVD.

DSP8000 wrote,
Is it just me or everyone has to edit the ecl file created from DVD-RB.Even if I set it to 3 VBR passes the ecl says 2.I'm using DVD-RB v0.33 on movie Titanic.

This has been covered many times. DVD-RB uses the VAF encode as the first pass.

philos31

11th April 2004, 11:00

Is it normal for 0.33 to take 20 - 25% processor time?

I am doing a 4:3 -> 16:9 Conversion.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~krasteva/rbtm.jpg

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 11:07

Originally posted by philos31
Is it normal for 0.33 to take 20 - 25% processor time?

I am doing a 4:3 -> 16:9 Conversion. No. On my system when running CCE, DVD-RB uses 1-2% of the processor. My guess would be that CCE is set to run at a lower priority. I don't think I've looked at it specifically while doing a 16:9 conversion, though -- but any processing associated with that really should show as part of the CCE conversion.

jurij

11th April 2004, 12:45

I Used dvd rebuilder 0.33
1. DVD-R Version: Pal
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. The DVD has 5 audio channels:
-English
-German
-French
-Spanish
-Italian
I chosed to keep only English and Italian audios
After encoding everything the result was a DVD with only English and Spanish Audio.
If i select Italian audio on dvd playback i hear nothing.
Can you do anything? Thanx for the nice job anyway
5. -----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 10.32.12
- VTS_02: 3.483.252 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 169.451 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 62.413 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 3.525 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 63,3%
- Overall Bitrate : 4.416Kbs
- HIGH/LOW Cell Bitrates: 0/9.999 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 3 minutes.
Phase II ENCODING started at 10.36.03
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Phase III, REBUILD started at 13.09.19
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_02
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
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- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_03
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...
Phase III, REBUILD completed in 10 minutes.

Done.

jurij

11th April 2004, 13:31

i decided to rebuild the dvd a second time:
i have selected spanish audio instead of Italian and the output was a dvd with english and italian.
i managed to solve the problem this time, but what if the next movie won't have spanish audio LOL?

nwg

11th April 2004, 13:38

DVD-RB 0.33
eclCCE 1.8
CCE 2.50

I still have a stutter on Matrix Revolutions PAL. It is the beginning of the Trainman scene at chapter 4.

BTW, the original also sufferes on that scene. It doesn't stutter but chapter 3 and 4 looks badly edited together.

wmansir: sorry hit the wrong button, nothing changed

wmansir

11th April 2004, 14:18

1. DVD-R Version: 0.33
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: When using Half-D1 on SOME VTS sets, ALL cells in the Rebuilder.ecl get a Half-D1 setting (width=352). The .avs files are setup correctly, but this causes a data read error in CCE and an encoding failure.

Exact error message from CCE 2.5, in case others encounter it:

cce encoding failured: AVIStreamRead() failed() (0x80044074) Buffer is too small.

And then, this second one is due to the first part create a corrupt .vaf file:

vinfo_open() failed: Bad Data <C:\mypath\V01000000001001.vaf>

EDIT: added error messages

kadilak

11th April 2004, 16:22

A lot of my DVDs seem to be coming out under size. I am using CCE 2.66, with ELCCE. I just did Once Upon A Time In Mexico and it came out to 4.32 GB. Isn't the capacity for DVD-+R 4.38 GB? DVD-R is slightly larger than +R, isn't it? I know that much space is negligible, but I'd still like it to max out the disc.

I know there is an option to specify size, but I'm not sure how to convert GB to sectors. Any help would be appreciated.

nwg

11th April 2004, 16:26

A lot of my DVDs seem to be coming out under size. I am using CCE 2.66, with ELCCE. I just did Once Upon A Time In Mexico and it came out to 4.32 GB

That is normal and to be expected. My ones are between 4.31 and 4.32GB. The max size is 4.36GB and is only 50MB more. That won't make any difference regarding video quality. It is better in the long run as the data won't be going to the edge. This can cause problems with some players/discs. I usually do 4.34GB.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 16:47

Yeah that doesnt count for undersizing in my book.. and I'd rather be a few MB short than long (which is the other option)

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 16:55

Originally posted by wmansir
1. DVD-R Version: 0.33
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: When using Half-D1 on SOME VTS sets, ALL cells in the Rebuilder.ecl get a Half-D1 setting (width=352). The .avs files are setup correctly, but this causes a data read error in CCE and an encoding failure.

Exact error message from CCE 2.5, in case others encounter it:

cce encoding failured: AVIStreamRead() failed() (0x80044074) Buffer is too small.

And then, this second one is due to the first part create a corrupt .vaf file:

vinfo_open() failed: Bad Data <C:\mypath\V01000000001001.vaf>

EDIT: added error messages Hmmm... I guess there's no way I could make that sound like a feature instead of a bug?

Oldeman

11th April 2004, 16:58

DVD-RB .34
Rejig .5e
loop in calling ReJig on second entry VTS 05 seg 1

Status]
mode=0
Progress=1
CCEType=2
Encode_Progress=2

[V05000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=16642.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=5324
Last_Sector=87956
Reduction=56.7
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0

[V05000100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=45045.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=1
Last_Sector=87960
Reduction=56.7
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0

[V06000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=16918.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=4050
Last_Sector=50633
Reduction=56.7
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 16:58

Originally posted by kadilak
A lot of my DVDs seem to be coming out under size. I am using CCE 2.66, with ELCCE. I just did Once Upon A Time In Mexico and it came out to 4.32 GB. Isn't the capacity for DVD-+R 4.38 GB? DVD-R is slightly larger than +R, isn't it? I know that much space is negligible, but I'd still like it to max out the disc.

I know there is an option to specify size, but I'm not sure how to convert GB to sectors. Any help would be appreciated. I'd rather keep the default where it is, but look in the README file and you'll see there is a parameter you can put in your REBUILDER.INI file that will change the target output size.

ADDED: If you want to see how many sectors your blank has available. Put it in a drive and open up DVD-DECRYPTER in ISO/Write mode. It should tell you "Free sectors" -- be careful, though -- it's easy to go over.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 17:12

1. DVD-R Version: 0.33
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: none, nada, ziltch, zip, naught, etc etc.

Did mr bean vol 3 R2 and audio gapping between chapters that was in 0.27 is not there in 0.33. No stutters either.

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 17:17

Sectors are converted:

1 Sector = 2048 bytes or 2K.
1 MegaByte = 512 sectors
1 Gigabyte = 1024 Megabytes or 1,073,741,824 bytes.
4.36GB = 4,681,514,352 bytes

4.36GB = 2,285,895 sectors (4,681,514,352 / 2048)

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 17:19

Originally posted by Joergen
1. DVD-R Version: 0.33
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: none, nada, ziltch, zip, naught, etc etc.

Did mr bean vol 3 R2 and audio gapping between chapters that was in 0.27 is not there in 0.33. No stutters either. Halleluja!

quantum

11th April 2004, 18:08

Originally posted by Joergen
Did mr bean vol 3 R2 and audio gapping between chapters that was in 0.27 is not there in 0.33. No stutters either. Can we say the stuttering prob-prob-problems are gone as of version 0.34?

lab-one

11th April 2004, 18:18

@jdobbs

DVD_RB V.34

Noticed that if use the "check all" feature under "Audio to remove", then uncheck english, click done and then return to the Setup menu, the items that were checked are no longer checked. As if it is not saving the selections.

Also, when hovering over the DVD-RB.exe icon, it shows V.29 in the caption. Totally irrelevant.

Edit: Erm, I feel like an ass....maybe that's why the "save" button is there....(never noticed that before...)

DMagic1

11th April 2004, 18:25

1. v0.33
2. Rejig
3. N
4. The sound dropout is gone. No pixelation on chapter points. The only small problem I still see is ffwd/rwd thru chapters. This still causes it to skip over chapters on the standalone.

I will test the CCE project I just did.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 18:27

For my part I can say theyre gone but of course I didnt do any deinterlacing etc that caused stutters for others. Fast forwarding through chapters doesnt seem to have problems for me either.

bodhead

11th April 2004, 18:33

just tried to do THE OMEN pal version.
the film is progressive and the extras are interlaced,all goes fine,but the extras (interlaced) r all jerky,in power dvd and standalone.film plays ok.
dont know what that can be.

using:
dvdrb 0.34
cce 2.67 trial
eclcce

thanx for a great prog

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 18:54

Originally posted by bodhead
just tried to do THE OMEN pal version.
the film is progressive and the extras are interlaced,all goes fine,but the extras (interlaced) r all jerky,in power dvd and standalone.film plays ok.
dont know what that can be.

using:
dvdrb 0.34
cce 2.67 trial
eclcce

thanx for a great prog Jerky as in "terribly annoying and can't watch it" like a field mismatch or jerky as in "when it pans or has lot of movement"...?

bodhead

11th April 2004, 19:37

its like motion blur,there is a double image,might be a field problem.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 20:17

So the extras got deinterlaced in blend mode or something.

Stive

11th April 2004, 20:25

V33
CCE2.5
ECL yes, 1.7
Default settings except, one-click, dynamic, suppress, CCE2.5, 3pass
Lotrings2, NTSC
Used DVDDecrypter 321 full disc

I was in the middle of the process with v33 when I saw v34 come out. Not sure v34 would be any help with the picture stutter at chapters. Original plays fine. I have burned this onto a DVDRW to play on my standalone. I don't recall ever getting any other errors since v1X, except that I can't get rid of this stutter (kind of a freeze for a split second, then restarts). Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll try version 34 and hopefully, you've cracked this nut.

quantum

11th April 2004, 20:27

It's been brought up before, and I agree. The deinterlacing option is newbie bait and likely to generate ambiguous questions due to lack of knowledge. I think it should be buried deeper or removed.

imd_man

11th April 2004, 20:33

Hello jdobbs. Just wanted to say thank you for the time you put into this program. I used it on my copy of Seven last night, and it's just great! The subs came through and everything...it was sweet!

I did have a couple of quick questions though. Please excuse them if they're bad or if they've been answered already. Firstly, in the setup area where you can check all the audio that you want/don't want...does CHECKING them mean that they will NOT be on your final DVD backup? Or does it mean that they WILL show up? Stupid question I know...
Second, as I have spent hours reading through posts around here about "best" quality settings for VBR_Bias and Quality_Prec, I still don't know what a good setting to leave it on...so just out of curiosity, what do you personally do? I know you are much more knowledgeable on this stuff than I am and so your settings are probably way better than mine :)

And lastly (thanks if you're still reading), the "Add to AVS file" check box in options...should that be checked? I'm not quite sure what it does.

Thank you very much.
Best.

DMagic1

11th April 2004, 20:42

Originally posted by DMagic1
1. v0.33
2. Rejig
3. N
4. The sound dropout is gone. No pixelation on chapter points. The only small problem I still see is ffwd/rwd thru chapters. This still causes it to skip over chapters on the standalone.

I will test the CCE project I just did.

I did not see the same skip over thing with CCE. The CCE was done on a different movie. I dont know if that could be the reason or not.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 20:46

I didnt notice any ffwd problemns on the standalone so I tried in windvd4 and rather amusingly, if you rewind over where the chapter changes and hit play, windvd will start playing at the start of the next chapter.

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 22:29

Originally posted by quantum
It's been brought up before, and I agree. The deinterlacing option is newbie bait and likely to generate ambiguous questions due to lack of knowledge. I think it should be buried deeper or removed. I think you're right. I'm trying to make this simple and that one is likely to cause me headaches. Maybe I should come up with an "Advanced Options that you probably will never need so don't look here unless you're an expert" dialog?

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 22:41

Originally posted by imd_man
Hello jdobbs. Just wanted to say thank you for the time you put into this program. I used it on my copy of Seven last night, and it's just great! The subs came through and everything...it was sweet!

I did have a couple of quick questions though. Please excuse them if they're bad or if they've been answered already. Firstly, in the setup area where you can check all the audio that you want/don't want...does CHECKING them mean that they will NOT be on your final DVD backup? Or does it mean that they WILL show up? Stupid question I know...
Second, as I have spent hours reading through posts around here about "best" quality settings for VBR_Bias and Quality_Prec, I still don't know what a good setting to leave it on...so just out of curiosity, what do you personally do? I know you are much more knowledgeable on this stuff than I am and so your settings are probably way better than mine :)

And lastly (thanks if you're still reading), the "Add to AVS file" check box in options...should that be checked? I'm not quite sure what it does.

Thank you very much.
Best. Question 1: Checking them in Setup is a way to make remove them by default.

Question 2: Leave them at the defaults and they should be fine. If you've changed them and aren't sure what the default was, edit the REBUILDER.INI file and remove them. They will go back to the default.

Question 3: That checkbox affects only the "MPEG2DEC3DG" path. Normally, if AVISYNTH is set up properly, you don't even need to worry about it. You just load MPEG2DEC3.DLL in the AVISYNTH plugin directory and it's all magic. But, unfortunately, some 3rd party software changes the registry path to "Plugins" -- so I added that path (and the checkbox) so you can force AVISYNTH to load it at the known location. I'm debating whether to just put MPEG2DEC3.DLL into my zip, get rid of that option, and force the path to the DVD ReBuilder directory. But... I'm not sure what the rules are for that -- I think I can't distribute it without the source and notices and... well it's just too complicated for me right now. :)

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 23:00

These threads are getting too big to bear... I got a post (somewhere from somebody) that mentioned what appears to be "forever loop" when using ReJig... and after looking for the message for a while I've decided to give up and just post a response.

I just wanted you to know that I found that error... in fact it will prevent ReJig from working at all for encoding as it will get to the second or so file and keep doing it over-and-over...

I've fixed it and will post later today.

Thanks!

Bacardi_AVT

11th April 2004, 23:00

I have tried every version since 0.16 to do a back-up of Chicago Reg 2 PAL, but I get an error every time.

I used this the last time I got the error:
1. 0.34
2. CCE 2.50
3. Yes
4. I get a "Run-time error '9': Subscript out of range" when re-build is scanning and building the .avs and .d2v files. When I check the work dir I can see three .avs files that seams to be complete and on that is obnly created with nothing written. I have tried to do this back-up in two different ways: in the first I use DVDdecrypter to rip an image that I then mount in daemon tools, the seconf way is that I use DVDdecrypter to ripp all the files on the DVD to a specific directory insted. either way I still get the error at the exact same place when running rebuilder. Strange since all other DVDs I have tried have worked like a charm.

Thanks jdobbs for all the work you put in to this program.

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 23:16

Originally posted by Oldeman
DVD-RB .33
Rejig
Options:
Supress warning
One click
Dynamic bit rate

Movie: Tora Tora Tora NTSC R1
Hid extras with DvdReMake.
Removed 2-channel audio tracks with DVD-RB

Run time 9 during rebuild-> Seg 24 Vob 17 Cellid 1
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:17, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07.D2V")
trim(117237,125540)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Do I need AVS options with ReJig???

I have done other movies with DVD-RB sucessfully.

System AMD 750, 256Mb, Win98SE Well this runtime '9' has to stop... I didn't have a copy of "Tora Tora Tora" -- so I'm off to the store to buy one... I like that movie and should have owned it anyway!

dancis

12th April 2004, 02:14

I don't know if this is my fault but i have this problem.

When i want to transcode tombraider the cradle of life R2 from the harddrive (ripped with dvd decrypter) i get runtime error '9' : subscript out of range when i hit the transcode button in one or 3 click mode.

I am using version 0.34 , cce sp 2.67 trail and eclcce 1.8b

But when i transcode it directly from the dvd there is no problem.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 02:18

Originally posted by dancis
I don't know if this is my fault but i have this problem.

When i want to transcode tombraider the cradle of life from the harddrive (ripped with dvd decrypter) i get runtime error '9' : subscript out of range when i hit the transcode button in one or 3 click mode.

I am using version 0.34 , cce sp 2.67 trail and eclcce 1.8b

But when i transcode directly from the dvd there is no problem. Something isn't copying right.

KungFuCow

12th April 2004, 02:32

Ive had the same thing happen with movies done with DVD Decrypter.. usually a rerip fixes the problem but it can be frustrating.

dancis

12th April 2004, 03:01

Now preparation goes oke , but when it wants to start to decode i get the next error , this one i never had before..........

Gdiploadimage failed : 3

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 03:11

Originally posted by dancis
Now preparation goes oke , but when it wants to start to decode i get the next error , this one i never had before..........

Gdiploadimage failed : 3 What the hell is that?

dancis

12th April 2004, 03:17

I don't know :p

But i will install everything again , and then see if the problem still comes up!

KungFuCow

12th April 2004, 03:21

Originally posted by dancis
I don't know :p

But i will install everything again , and then see if the problem still comes up!

What are you using as a source? The actual DVD, ripped files or some sort of image mounted on a virtual drive?

Stive

12th April 2004, 03:33

Originally posted by Stive
V33
CCE2.5
ECL yes, 1.7
Default settings except, one-click, dynamic, suppress, CCE2.5, 3pass
Lotrings2, NTSC
Used DVDDecrypter 321 full disc

I was in the middle of the process with v33 when I saw v34 come out. Not sure v34 would be any help with the picture stutter at chapters. Original plays fine. I have burned this onto a DVDRW to play on my standalone. I don't recall ever getting any other errors since v1X, except that I can't get rid of this stutter (kind of a freeze for a split second, then restarts). Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll try version 34 and hopefully, you've cracked this nut.

Update: Just finished the same backup with v34, no improvement in chapter stutter.:( Has anyone found a workaround? Other than the stutter, the tool and results are amazing. Thanks jdobbs.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 03:40

Originally posted by Stive
Update: Just finished the same backup with v34, no improvement in chapter stutter.:( Has anyone found a workaround? Other than the stutter, the tool and results are amazing. Thanks jdobbs. Is it audio, picture, both? This drives me crazy... especially since I have yet to have seen it. I even went to other people's houses and tried it on their players...

dancis

12th April 2004, 03:55

Gdiploadimage failed : 3 problem solved , i re-installed cce again and now it works fine.

:D

insanescape

12th April 2004, 03:57

Stive and anyone else with chapter skips:

Please list your DVD player, whether or not you've tried the disc in another player, PC, or PS2/Xbox, and finally, is DVDRebuilder the first time you've ever made an "authored" DVD - meaning, not transcoded/copied a disc?

It seems like the people having issues haven't ever made their own DVD, but have probably dvddecrypted/shrink'd a movie instead.

My take on the whole thing is it is the PLAYER that can't handle authored dvds. Doesn't seem to matter the burning program, the media, or the authoring program - chapter skips on some (usually cheap) players. When you take the same disc and put it on a toshiba, sony, playstation 2, a JVC, an Apex, and various PCs and the only one having chapter skips is the apex - it's probably the player.

Edit: These "issues" are not unique to DVDRB, which leads me to believe even more so that it's not a problem with jdobb's code.

Stive

12th April 2004, 03:59

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is it audio, picture, both? This drives me crazy... especially since I have yet to have seen it. I even went to other people's houses and tried it on their players...

It is only in the video. For a written visual, it is like you see a still picture, then it kinda jumps as though it is catching up and runs as normal. All of this happens is a split second. The audio does not appear to be affected whatsoever. My DVD player is a Mintek 1600...I know...cheapie!:D

Stive

12th April 2004, 04:24

Originally posted by insanescape
Stive and anyone else with chapter skips:

Please list your DVD player, whether or not you've tried the disc in another player, PC, or PS2/Xbox, and finally, is DVDRebuilder the first time you've ever made an "authored" DVD - meaning, not transcoded/copied a disc?

It seems like the people having issues haven't ever made their own DVD, but have probably dvddecrypted/shrink'd a movie instead.

My take on the whole thing is it is the PLAYER that can't handle authored dvds. Doesn't seem to matter the burning program, the media, or the authoring program - chapter skips on some (usually cheap) players. When you take the same disc and put it on a toshiba, sony, playstation 2, a JVC, an Apex, and various PCs and the only one having chapter skips is the apex - it's probably the player.

Edit: These "issues" are not unique to DVDRB, which leads me to believe even more so that it's not a problem with jdobb's code.

My DVD player is a Mintek 1600
It does play dvd's using DVDShrink, IC, and other one clikers.
It has played DVD's using DVD2SVCD (dvd settings).
I do not have another standalone dvd player to test.
The reauthored dvd plays fine in the pc (using Nero Showtime).

I do have DVD2DVDR and will try that overnight(or maybe longer)to see if stutter occurs.

I agree that it appears to be player specific from reading through the threads. I don't know that I read anywhere that a high dollar DVD player was stuttering. But, if I recall what jdobbs has said before, his program is to be all inclusive (including cheapies).

elmokiddo

12th April 2004, 05:14

Hey,
I'm using the latest version of everything and the lastest CCE SP trial, and I'm getting an audio out of sync problem, I'm not sure but it specially seems prominent when I Fast forward or rewind.

As well, I seem to be getting some tiny audio dropouts periodically at what seems to be chapter breaks.

This is occuring on my Samsung 951HD and with Matrix Revolutions.
after more testing ill post some more results.

Thanks!
Elmokiddo

wfiguero

12th April 2004, 05:48

DVD-R Version: 0.33
CCE 2.67.00.11
eclCCE Yes
NTSC
Bug encountered: Player Apex stutter in chapter change and sometimes several times in the same chapter

My DVD player is a Apex AD-1500
Play dvd's using DVDShrink, DVD95Copy, and other one clickers
Played DVD's using DVD2SVCD (dvd settings) without problems.
Played DVD's authored with DVDLab without problems

My other dvd player a Panasonic A310 show much less stutter but it's show some.

My PC Liteon DVD player does not show any shutter.

Thanks

I will also like to add that the FF/REW is not working correctly. It will go to the next chapter instead of current position. The same situation that Alex Z

Alex Z

12th April 2004, 05:58

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is it audio, picture, both? This drives me crazy... especially since I have yet to have seen it. I even went to other people's houses and tried it on their players...

@jdobbs

V .34
CCE 2.67
ECL yes, 1.8
DVDDecrypter -> iso full disc.
Tested on "What women want", NTSC. Using Windvd 4. (Time line 0:13:03-0:13:07)

First, the stuttering problem may occur at any point not just chapter brake. Tested from RB .16-.34. Made me believe mpeg2dec3dg.dll (dated 10/2/03) is responsible. I did the same movie but with mpeg2dec3.dll (dated 07/28/03). No stuttering so far. What are the disadvantages using mpeg2dec3 instead of mpeg2dec3dg?

Second, FF/REW is still not working correctly. It will go to the next chapter instead of current position.

az

.

candsh

12th April 2004, 06:44

AMD 1400mhz
Promise Raid-0
1 Gig Ram
Radeon 7500 64 MB DDR
CCE- Basic
Movie: Cast Away
DVD-RB v.34

Made a copy of this movie way back with version 14.....16 with Rejig. Came out movie only and was perfect. Ordered a CCE-Basic and encountered every problem known to mankind. Lock-up, Blue Screen. Errors 004, 0009 and others I can't remember.

I remembered that with Instant Copy it would ask for a different screen resolution so I decided to try that here. Changed from 800 x600 to 1152 x 864. Sat and watched it go through all the moves expecting to see a crash or something at any second. Went through the entire process flawlessly!! Loaded the files into Nero 6 and it loaded without complaint, burned and played back on Win DVD. Tried the FFwd and Rew everything was perfect..... menu's, warnings, Audio perfect and no stuttering, no skips in the video or audio.

Will play back tomorrow on the stand alone (Pioneer DV-C36) but if it plays on the computer I am confident it will play thru an 8' screen projector. It will show any flaw and I will be watching to see if anything is there.

Right now I am very excited again over this program!!

nwg

12th April 2004, 08:10

Alex Z wrote,
First, the stuttering problem may occur at any point not just chapter brake. Tested from RB .16-.34. Made me believe mpeg2dec3dg.dll (dated 10/2/03) is responsible.

This is the second time I have heard this.

I am going to try it with Matrix Revolutions to see if the stutter goes away.

acido

12th April 2004, 11:54

1. DVD-R Version: .34
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23, ReJig 0.5e
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.8b)
4. Bug encountered: encode process looping on VTS_01 segment 01 with Rejig
.
As you can see below something is broken with Rejig:
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 12:36:24
- VTS_01: 2,867,188 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 186,266 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 65.8%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,527Kbs
- HIGH/LOW Cell Bitrates: 4,118/819 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 9 minutes.
Phase II ENCODING started at 12:45:23
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Now Encoding with CCE and don't have this problem.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 12:11

Originally posted by acido
1. DVD-R Version: .34
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23, ReJig 0.5e
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.8b)
4. Bug encountered: encode process looping on VTS_01 segment 01 with Rejig
.
As you can see below something is broken with Rejig:
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 12:36:24
- VTS_01: 2,867,188 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 186,266 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 65.8%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,527Kbs
- HIGH/LOW Cell Bitrates: 4,118/819 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 9 minutes.
Phase II ENCODING started at 12:45:23
- Reducing filesize for VTS_01 segment 00
- Reducing filesize for VTS_01 segment 01
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Now Encoding with CCE and don't have this problem. Bad mistake on my part. I cut and pasted some code into the loop when working on Pause/Resume and (sigh...) reset the loop controlling variable in the middle of the loop.

Bottom line: I screwed it up and have since fixed it. You'll see a fix posted in the next few minutes.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 12:39

A new version (0.35) has been posted with a couple of bug fixes. See the first message of this thread.

Please also note, that per a suggestion, I am changing the title of the "Comments and Suggestions" thread each time I post an update so you can easily see it from the "One Click DVD backup solutions" page.

acido

12th April 2004, 12:41

Originally posted by jdobbs
A new version (0.35) has been posted with a couple of bug fixes. See the first message of this thread.

Sorry but that link isn't working, it says "invalid attachment specified" :(

jurij

12th April 2004, 13:17

u sure the link works?

"Invalid attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster"

brikin

12th April 2004, 13:40

I am still getting the 004 buffer overflow error with .34 in the Rebuild phase. The m2v this is happening on is a still frame opening up the avs file shows the trim (5677,5677) command.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 14:10

Originally posted by acido
Sorry but that link isn't working, it says "invalid attachment specified" :( It works for me. What browser are you using?

SteveV

12th April 2004, 14:12

Same error here using IE6

jurij

12th April 2004, 14:12

we all use explorer

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 14:13

DOH!!! Sorry, dumb-ass mistake. I hadn't validated the attachment yet. I guess it was working for me because I'm a moderator. It should work now.

SteveV

12th April 2004, 14:15

Thank you it works now
Gonna test a title right away with it.

jikchung

12th April 2004, 14:36

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.33
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y (v 1.7)
4. Bug encountered:

Just did Highlander Season 2 disc 2 again with version 0.33 and got no video stutter this time. Reprocessing it now with different CCE settings, so we'll see if it comes out good again. Still getting improper display of elapsed times/chapter # not updated with RW/FF.
My Player is an Apex 5131, never encountered this issue before with any DVD and I have personally authored many (home movies, instructional videos, etc.) as well as using Shrink, DVD2SVCD and others with no issues.

lab-one

12th April 2004, 14:57

@jdobbs

Q4. I set everything up -- but nothing seems to happen and/or I get video that is a black screen with orange/red lines at the bottom.

A4. You probably are having a problem with the location of MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL. In the installation instructions (see the REBUILDER.TXT file) it tells you to put that file in the AVISYNTH Plugins directory. That should work. But some 3rd party software designers (bless their hearts) have decided to change the AVISYNTH registry entry to another location... You fix that by entering the setup dialog of DVD-RB and pointing directly to the MPEG2DEC3.DLL file -- also, click on the "Add to AVS File" checkbox.

This is somewhat confusing because of the 2 different file names used. It has come up a couple of times and I recall in early testing stages I personally was using MPEG2DEC3.DLL and then later changed it to MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL once the option was added to DVD-RB setup. Please calrify, which file is it exactly that I should point DVD-RB to? (If memory serves me correctly, MPEG2DEC3.DLL is used in apps such as gordianknot...also, when looking through cce forums I see much reference to MPEG2DEC3.DLL but not MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL. However, this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63593&highlight=MPEG2DEC3.DLL) post seems to say the contrary.) It appears that MPEG2DEC3.DLL first came up here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=458729&highlight=MPEG2DEC3.DLL#post458729) in regards to DVD-RB.

Would having the wrong file cause problems? (IE. stuttering since that is the ONLY problem I am having and would love to get beyond it ). This may be the wrong thread as this is not a "bug" perse. I just need help/clarification/guidance....

Thanks.:)

JvD

12th April 2004, 15:07

Originally posted by brikin
I am still getting the 004 buffer overflow error with .34 in the Rebuild phase. The m2v this is happening on is a still frame opening up the avs file shows the trim (5677,5677) command.

But, shouldnt this stills frame problem be removed by now Rdobbs? Doom9s first page states "DVD Rebuilder 0.34 can handle still frames (thus most if not all 004 errors should be gone)". Is it true or is the info wrong on the first page?

Stive

12th April 2004, 16:13

Originally posted by Alex Z
@jdobbs

First, the stuttering problem may occur at any point not just chapter brake. Tested from RB .16-.34. Made me believe mpeg2dec3dg.dll (dated 10/2/03) is responsible. I did the same movie but with mpeg2dec3.dll (dated 07/28/03). No stuttering so far. What are the disadvantages using mpeg2dec3 instead of mpeg2dec3dg?

az

.

I just tried a quick transcode and burn using the mpeg2dec3 instead of the mpeg2dec3dg and I still get the stutter.:( Audio appears ok. To be fair, I did not do the whole disk and just stripped out three chapters. Anyway, this change was not the answer for me.

jdobbs...thanks for the change to use dvdrb if the output is already to small. It makes it easier for me to test anyway.

insanescape

12th April 2004, 16:27

While being a solution for EVERY player, despite ones with obviously flaws, is an ideal to strive for, I worry that it may be beyond the scope of what one person can accomplish. Not knocking jdobb's skills at all (especially since mine can be compared to that of a one-armed monkey with severe brain damage), just that certain players seem to not be able to handle authored from scratch chapter breaks no matter what.

Perhaps there is a way that the chapter code is inserted into vob files from scratch opposed to how it is inserted when you bring that DVD home from the store. Maybe it's something that can be fixed with some scrutiny, maybe it isn't. Even using a different mpeg2dec3 is going to solve very little since chapter stutter is caused by other programs that don't even use it. It's probably at the vob/ifo level at this point. If anyone feels like it, take a CCE'd reauthored DVD vs a dvdshrink one and see if the way the chapter points are inserted is different, even though it should be at the exact same timepoint of the movie.

Again, I ask if anyone's had chapter stutter problems on anything else they have made from scratch. I'm talking about converting 175MB tv shows to a DVD. Or taking a 700MB xvid file and encoding it to MPG2 and throwing it on a DVD with chapter breaks. I'm going to guess that if you have, you probably have chapter stutters with those as well on the player. Also, it certainly seems like the common theme of chapter stutters has been cheap players. Sure someone's thrown out a pioneer or so, but even the big players probably have some flaws here and there.

Remember that self-authored content is relatively new in the world of DVD with regards to available to the masses. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these manufacturers never even tested authored DVDs on their machines - if they had they clearly would've seen the chapter problems.

The solution, though not a pretty one, may very well be to fork over 70 bucks for a new player. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not optimistic.

Joergen

12th April 2004, 16:31

People, dont sound so demanding. It says in the readme that still frames need testing and so does everything.

1. DVD-RB Version: .34
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y (1.8b)
4. Bug encountered: none

I just did [snip] R2 which is flagged as true progressive and the results are absolutely flawless. Compression ratio was 68% which is under what any transcoder can do satisfactory and DVD-RB once again flexes its muscles.

edit: Now tested with an age-old Panasonic DVD-A350, Sony PS2 V7, an Euroline cheapo player, Sony NS430 and some new Panasonic player the model of which I cant remember. Now, if there exists some dodgy Samsung player that would still have problems, its no concern of mine cause I dont know a single person with a Samsung player.

edit: tested with windvd4 and PowerDVD and again only problems encountered is windvd skipping to the beginning of the chapter FROM WHERE you rewind from over the chapterpoint. ie. if you're in chapter 2 and you rewind to chapter 1 and hit play it just starts to play from chapter 2 beginning instead of where you were when you hit play.

lab-one

12th April 2004, 16:35

@insanescape

The solution, though not a pretty one, may very well be to fork over 70 bucks for a new player. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not optimistic.

Out of curiosity, what do people consider cheap players? For example, a Sony DVPNS725P, retails at $140. It's a single disc player that I purchased from CircuitCity. The price falls in their mid to upper range for single disc players that support DVD+R and have progressive scan capabilities. I guess I personally didn't think it was cheap when I could have went to Wal-Mart and spent $29 on an apex player.

I'm deffinetely not discouting that it could be my player that is causing the skipping. My previous Sony (I don't remember the model) wouldn't play transcoded DVD's, it was about 2 years old...possibly 3. So, maybe the new sony can handle the transcoded DVD's but can't handled authored DVD's. Hell, I don't know. This "stuttering" problem is the only issue I have right now. I am hoping that I don't need to purchase a new player. (Translation: I can't justify another new DVD player to the wife...)

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 16:39

Originally posted by JvD
But, shouldnt this stills frame problem be removed by now Rdobbs? Doom9s first page states "DVD Rebuilder 0.34 can handle still frames (thus most if not all 004 errors should be gone)". Is it true or is the info wrong on the first page? If you read it -- it says "most if not all of the 0004 errors" -- also the name is jdobbs. As for "shouldnt this stills frame problem be removed by now Rdobbs" -- I would suggest that if you are impatient, you should write your own program and give it away for nothing.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 16:41

On the stuttering issue. My personal opinion is that there is a timing issue located somewhere in DVD-RB that shows on sensitive players... it isn't the player's fault.

I have to fix it -- and will. DVD's should play on ALL drives. It's a matter of when... which is made more complicated by the fact that I can't repeat it.

Joergen

12th April 2004, 16:43

Originally posted by jdobbs
I have to fix it -- and will. DVD's should play on ALL drives. It's a matter of when... which is made more complicated by the fact that I can't repeat it.

Have you tried windvd4? It's the only tool I have that will show some kind of problem (the skip-to-original-chapter on rewind). Hope you can use it to test.

insanescape

12th April 2004, 16:48

rdobbs.. ronnie dobbs? :D

Anyway, I say we all pitch in an extra buck or two so j can buy an apex player and see the stutterring on the DVDs, it might be the only way :)

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 17:05

Originally posted by insanescape
rdobbs.. ronnie dobbs? :D

Anyway, I say we all pitch in an extra buck or two so j can buy an apex player and see the stutterring on the DVDs, it might be the only way :) I actually have an Apex 1200 and a relative's Apex 1500 that I've tested on. No stutter for me.

Alex Z

12th April 2004, 17:08

Originally posted by Stive
I just tried a quick transcode and burn using the mpeg2dec3 instead of the mpeg2dec3dg and I still get the stutter.:( Audio appears ok. To be fair, I did not do the whole disk and just stripped out three chapters. Anyway, this change was not the answer for me.

jdobbs...thanks for the change to use dvdrb if the output is already to small. It makes it easier for me to test anyway.

Agree, I watched the whole movie again (done with mpeg2dec3) and I saw stuttering but at different timeline. And it stutters more often.

insanescape

12th April 2004, 17:08

Oddness.. Though I guess the code has to respect its author.

Acerjen

12th April 2004, 17:27

1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5 with ECL 1.8
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

I am using DVD-RB on X2: X-Men United. The audio studdering
I heard before is gone, but seral times throughout the movie,
audio will go out of sync. Then the next chapter is back in
sync and will eventually go back out of sync. I retested
using an older version of DVD-RB (version .26), which is the
version I used a couple of weeks ago to test, and the audio
sync is fine.

I am curious if anyone else has had any audio sync issues?
If so, were you able to change any settings or anything
to make it work?

Thanks in advance for any help and ideals. Also, thanks
goes to Jdobbs for an excellent tool. Thanks.

Later,
Acerjen

Rombaldi

12th April 2004, 17:32

Originally posted by jdobbs
I have to fix it -- and will. DVD's should play on ALL drives. It's a matter of when... which is made more complicated by the fact that I can't repeat it.

you need to have people add one more thing to their bug reports

5: make/model of player tested on

quantum

12th April 2004, 17:32

Originally posted by Alex Z
Agree, I watched the whole movie again (done with mpeg2dec3) and I saw stuttering but at different timeline. And it stutters more often. Sound like a media and player problem. Does the same disk processed with DVDShrink play perfectly every time?

insanescape

12th April 2004, 17:51

quantum: A disc shrunk with DVDShrink isn't doing the same thing as reencoding and rebuilding the DVD structure. Meaning it's very likely that the original chapter points are kept the exact way they were written on the original DVD. It's the "from scratch" nature of the program that's an issue with some players.

A better question would be "Can you take an mpg2 file, put it into an authoring program, create chapters, burn it, and not get chapter stutters like you do in DVDRB?"

Stive

12th April 2004, 17:58

Update: I used DVD2DVDR and burned the disc to play in my stuttering Mintek. It was my first time using dvd2dvdr, so I may not have had all the settings correct (ie, ecl for cce2.5. etc.). Anyway, backing up the same disc (lotrings2 ntsc), it did not appear to stutter at chapters...thats the good news. But worse (which may have been my lack of settings (real newbie here), was that the output was "jumpy". Not sure there is a real conclusion. So, if there is a file I can look at to compare DVD2DVDR to DVDRB, it would be appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction.

jdobbs...thanks for your reinforced comments about trying to make it play on all players. I've already made a donation and will certainly anty up again when the stutter goes away.

brikin

12th April 2004, 18:05

Originally posted by Acerjen
1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5 with ECL 1.8
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

I am using DVD-RB on X2: X-Men United. The audio studdering
I heard before is gone, but seral times throughout the movie,
audio will go out of sync. Then the next chapter is back in
sync and will eventually go back out of sync. I retested
using an older version of DVD-RB (version .26), which is the
version I used a couple of weeks ago to test, and the audio
sync is fine.

I am curious if anyone else has had any audio sync issues?
If so, were you able to change any settings or anything
to make it work?

Thanks in advance for any help and ideals. Also, thanks
goes to Jdobbs for an excellent tool. Thanks.

Later,
Acerjen

X2: X-Men United is the DVD I keep having the 004 buffer overflow error on. Acerjen I guess you didn't see this problem?

JDobbs I have backed up 3 other DVD's and they work great it is just this one DVD still giving me problems.

robot1

12th April 2004, 18:06

Originally posted by insanescape
A better question would be "Can you take an mpg2 file, put it into an authoring program, create chapters, burn it, and not get chapter stutters like you do in DVDRB?"
It's a DVD-RB specific issue, and the author will correct it.
Many people use Big3 or other methods with CCE, and there is no stutter.

wfiguero

12th April 2004, 18:13

jdobbs

I read that you tested an Apex 1500 without problems. I also have an Apex 1500 and I have the stutter problem. If possible can we know your settings and if you use CCE.

Thanks for your hard work.

wfiguero

JvD

12th April 2004, 18:48

Originally posted by jdobbs
I would suggest that if you are impatient, you should write your own program and give it away for nothing.
First of all, sorry jdobbs for not reading the main page correct. Been away for some days with my family now and in my eager to find out what has happend the quoted text and the last msg in the thread got me writing the question/msg :(
Second, sorry about spelling your sign wrong. I DO KNOW what your name is since I been around here couple of years now :D
Third sorry! I dont KNOW how to write magnificant apps like you do, thats why I, like many others, are more than glad (and donating) to see that there ARE people writing high class freeware apps. I DO admire your work AND when I read the msg again, I can understand you felt offended. Sorry!
After all "sorrys" Ill put my teeth in the new releases.

quantum

12th April 2004, 19:10

Originally posted by jdobbs
On the stuttering issue. My personal opinion is that there is a timing issue located somewhere in DVD-RB that shows on sensitive players... it isn't the player's fault. This assumes it is an issue with the DVD-RB output, which it may be. But considering this is a one-click forum there may be first timers here who mistake media incompatibility with a DVD-RB software issue. I've had friends who had trouble understanding they could buy blanks from Wal-Mart and they might skip and stutter in their players. That's just the nature of DVD-/+R and some players. I'm wondering if the stutterers are using Princo's.

To eliminate media questions, stutterers should process their title with DVDShrink on the same media, wether is dvd+/-r or dvd+/-rw and see if the problem goes away. If DVDShrink disks work correctly, then we can be more confident there is an issue with DVD-RB.

lab-one

12th April 2004, 19:16

@quantum

This assumes it is an issue with the DVD-RB output, which it may be. But considering this is a one-click forum there may be first timers here who mistake media incompatibility with a DVD-RB software issue. I've had friends who had trouble understanding they could buy blanks from Wal-Mart and they might skip and stutter in their players. That's just the nature of DVD-/+R and some players. I'm wondering if the stutterers are using Princo's.

I personally use Verbatim and also had a few Maxell laying around. Stuttering exists with both. Burn with DVD-Decrypter in ISO mode at 2X burning speed. I have no problems with DVD-Shrink transcoded discs of the same brands.

jikchung

12th April 2004, 19:30

@insanescape
As I said in my previous post, I have authored many types of DVD's from scratch, from 5 minute demos to 2 hour instructional videos as well as home movies. I have also used DVD Shrink, DVD2SVCD and Nero Recode. The only place I have gotten the video stutter is with DVD-RB. It is also apparently not media related in my case as I have used Ritek and Verbatim (both Ritek and MCC) -R as well as Memorex (Ricoh)+R media and Verbatim and Memorex -RW media with the testing.
I have transcoded the same DVD's with shrink (terrible quality, which is why I have such high hopes for DVD-RB) and had no play issues at all. So it doesn't seem to be the player, media or an authoring issue from where I stand.

Apex 5131 Player
Pioneer A06 Burner

insanescape

12th April 2004, 19:41

jikchung: Glad to hear it man, it shows I'm wrong, at least with regards to you, which is a good thing :) (I'm just throwing out possibilities)

compusion

12th April 2004, 19:53

1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: ReJig
3. Using eclCCE? n
4. Bug encountered: Run-time error '9':
Subscript out of range during rebuild on School of Rock.

I've been getting runtime errors on this movie for the past several versions. The error seems to happen no matter what encoder used. Let me know if I can be of further assistance troubleshooting this one.

compusion

Stive

12th April 2004, 20:04

Originally posted by quantum

To eliminate media questions, stutterers should process their title with DVDShrink on the same media, wether is dvd+/-r or dvd+/-rw and see if the problem goes away. If DVDShrink disks work correctly, then we can be more confident there is an issue with DVD-RB.

I am a newbie from the standpoint of "true authoring" which, is what I understand CCE is doing from reading the threads. I have "played with" dvd2svcd, but gave that up as the output was ok, but most of the time equal to shrink, etc. Generally, I'm a movie only kinda guy and could give a rats about trailers, documentaries, and even menus. I figured at some point in time, I could probably rip the movie out with Shrink and DVDRB the movie and have the best of both worlds. As a side statement...just so you don't blame shrink, my stuttering is from all files from Decrypter or non-shrink.

I have used DVDShrink several times (40ish) (as well as some dvd2one and clonedvd) and have not had this issue with stuttering on my Mintek. In fact, there have be no issues except for pixelation in low compressions (normal I guess). But, that is not to say that Mintek can not handle "real authored" dvd's such as CCE is performing. Somehow, I think it can.

I guess, being a newbie, I probably should not have been envolved this early as I don't know exactly what I am doing and more importantly, how I can help to fix. I apologize to jdobbs, as I have brought the "stuttering up a couple times" after a few releases. I know it is beta, and am not trying to be say anything different. I've been impressed, well that is a gross understatement, with the program and jdobb's work ethic.

Finally, my guess is, the masses have cheapie equipment like me. At least I can say that with 97.83% accuracy.
:D

nwg

12th April 2004, 20:11

I redid the only disc that has the stuttering with DVD-RB (PAL Matrix Revolutions) with Shrink and it is fine.

I have also done it with CCE and DVD2DVD-R and the disc plays fine.

It is only my cheap Cyberhome that has the problem. My more expensive Sony has worked with every DVD-RB disc so far.

djan

12th April 2004, 22:27

Wow, I have a serious problem with half d1 conversion. I'm doing it for extras and they look unwatchable. The video is stretched and we see it like diagonal moving lines.

brikin

12th April 2004, 22:37

JDobbs,

I am having the 004 buffer overflow error and wanted to report a few things. The first file that I am having the error on is V04004100002001.m2v. I went and tried to open the file and my video player gave me an error saying it didn't recognize the file. I went to the rebuilder.ecl file and copied the section for that file and copied it into the item.ecl file. I opened this in CCE and rebuilt it with no problems. Now I can open up the m2v and play the file. DVD Rebuilder will still give me the error if I rebuild.

The V04004100002001.AVS file looks like this

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(81737,84780)
ConvertToYUY2()

This file does not trim just 1 frame.

In the REBUILDER.INF file for this file I see

[V04004100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=19270.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=3044
Last_Sector=1798290
Reduction=73.8
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0

I don't know what the SCR does but the only other places I see this set to .000 is the first avs file which is V04000000001001.AVS which looks like

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(0,-1)
ConvertToYUY2()

which has that trim(0,-1)

and the last to avs files V04009500002030.AVS and V04009600003001.AVS both of them look like this

# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:30
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(179467,179467)
ConvertToYUY2()

and

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:03, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(179468,179468)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Both of those have a trim for a single frame. I don't know if this makes any difference but let me know if I can tell you anything else.

By the way what does that SCR represent in the REBUILDER.INF file.

Thanks for all the hard work
Brik

smlong426

12th April 2004, 22:47

I just encoded a movie with 0.35 beta. The video still stutters at chapter points.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 22:55

SCR is System Clock Reference - it is the synchronization timer and is contained in the header of all packets. Occasionally it is reset to 0, normally at the beginning of a movie chapter. Trim(0,-1) means you have a single frame that is at the beginning of a D2V. A zero in the second position has a special meaning to the trim statement -- so a -1 is used to flag a single frame starting at 0.
Still frames aren't the only source of a possible 0004 error -- it is a captured error that indicates I've reached the end of my buffer space, and that should never happen.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 22:57

Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't get stutter. I'm trying like hell to cause it and can't. This is very frustrating.

brikin

12th April 2004, 22:58

Thank you

Do you have any idea why when DVD Rebuilder called CCE for this avs file that it gave me a corrupt m2v file. I have done this DVD twice and both time this m2v file was corrupt. After I re-encoded this file it worked and the corrupt file and the new file were the same size.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 23:00

Originally posted by djan
Wow, I have a serious problem with half d1 conversion. I'm doing it for extras and they look unwatchable. The video is stretched and we see it like diagonal moving lines. Are you watching it through a player of from Microsoft Media Player or some other non DVD oriented package? It isn't unusual for it to play back elongated on one of those players. They have a tendency to want to play everything in 1:1.

KungFuCow

12th April 2004, 23:01

Originally posted by jdobbs
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't get stutter. I'm trying like hell to cause it and can't. This is very frustrating.

I havent gotten a stutter since about version .28 or so. Before that I was getting it on every chapter transition point. Ive watched several DVDs done with DVD-RB and havent seen any stutter whatsoever.

Its interesting that some people are getting stutter with certain movies while others arent and the same with some players, even like ones, not having stutter while others do. Almost makes you wonder if it comes down to individual Windows installation issues. Ive certainly seen before where polluted Windows installs make some odd things happen when working with video.

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 23:02

Originally posted by brikin
Thank you

Do you have any idea why when DVD Rebuilder called CCE for this avs file that it gave me a corrupt m2v file. I have done this DVD twice and both time this m2v file was corrupt. After I re-encoded this file it worked and the corrupt file and the new file were the same size. It was probably corrupt because that's where it bombed on the encode. But I don't know, and it's hard to say long-distance...

Joergen

12th April 2004, 23:02

Originally posted by jdobbs
Are you watching it through a player of from Microsoft Media Player or some other non DVD oriented package? It isn't unusual for it to play back elongated on one of those players. They have a tendency to want to play everything in 1:1.

Or perhaps a player that cant handle the resolution.. unless its a player of a respectable make, then there might be something worth looking at.

dancis

12th April 2004, 23:02

Everytime when i want to rebuild tombraider 2 (pal) i get the overflow error.

I am going to try terminator 2 now , maybe it is tombraider that is the problem.

12th April 2004, 23:04

Stuttering has been gone since 0.31 for me. Tested on Euroline and Pioneer DV343 standalones.

It really must be something that is only apparent on certain players, but I do agree with others that if the same project done with Shrink doesn't stutter, something goes wrong in the process of DVD-RB.

Right now I'm doing Black Books Season 1, full 8.2GB and will watch it all the way through tomorrow. Test is being done with 0.35, btw.

-tf

Joergen

12th April 2004, 23:08

jdobbs: Whee! I actually discovered a "bug" of sorts. I used TitlesetBlanker to blank out a video_ts.vob that was unreferenced (according to shrink) and that software renames it video_ts.vob~ (and the bup and ifo too and replaces them with its new ones.. works great). BUT, after the encode, the dvd is about the 240MB short that the video_ts.vob~ is large (although there IS a new 10KB video_ts.vob also).

Soo.. now that I know, I'll always hit "delete backups" in TitleSetBlanker, but just a tip, maybe dvd-rb could ignore all files but .vob .bup .ifo :)

edit: for more detail.. dvd-rb copied the video_ts.ifo~ video_ts.bup~ files over to the compiled VIDEO_TS dir also, EXCEPT the video_ts.vob~.

djan

12th April 2004, 23:22

smlong426

12th April 2004, 23:37

Well, even if the 'stutter' isn't apparent, it is still there. On my Cyberhome player, I can't see the stuter at all. On my Zenith, it is very obvious. With PowerDVD 5.0, you can see the 'stutter' only if you are watching like a hawk. Although it appears as more of a strange, hardly even noticable, anamoly with PowerDVD, I still see it.

I would be more than happy to feed the output of my Zenith player into my capture card and show you what the stutter looks like.

Stephen

DrVenkman

12th April 2004, 23:48

Ah crap - I have a problem here. I got to the last file of encoding and CCE popped up as I was pressing something and it cancelled. But anyway, I encoded the file manually, checked it and everything is done now - so is there anyway I can rebuild the file? When I open up DVD-RB the option to 'rebuild' is blanked out and there is no way I want to encode it all again...any suggestions?

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 23:49

Okay... we don't need any more stutter talk... I know its there (even if I can't see it) and I'm trying to find out what could be causing it. I don't think there is even a debate with me -- DVD-RB is doing something that is causing the stutter and it has to be fixed. Period.

But, now that it is said... do we really need to put a new post up every time somebody sees it for the first time. I know I have a problem and I'm frustrated trying to find it -- do we really need to rub salt in the wound?

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 23:51

Originally posted by DrVenkman
Ah crap - I have a problem here. I got to the last file of encoding and CCE popped up as I was pressing something and it cancelled. But anyway, I encoded the file manually, checked it and everything is done now - so is there anyway I can rebuild the file? When I open up DVD-RB the option to 'rebuild' is blanked out and there is no way I want to encode it all again...any suggestions? Yeah. Go into the REBUILDER.INF file and make it tell a lie. Set Progress=2. You will have to point to the directory again or restart DVD-RB. I put that there because early on I had a lot of people just try to rebuild without doing the other steps...

Joergen

13th April 2004, 00:25

jdobbs: With a tool this great as DVD-RB, you can expect some hardships giving birth to it. If it was easy it wouldhave already been made!

I'd advice you to take backups of your sources (to CD-R!), HD's tend to blow up at the worst possible moment, at least when what youre working on is too good to be true!

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 00:42

Originally posted by KungFuCow
I havent gotten a stutter since about version .28 or so. Before that I was getting it on every chapter transition point. Ive watched several DVDs done with DVD-RB and havent seen any stutter whatsoever.

Its interesting that some people are getting stutter with certain movies while others arent and the same with some players, even like ones, not having stutter while others do. Almost makes you wonder if it comes down to individual Windows installation issues. Ive certainly seen before where polluted Windows installs make some odd things happen when working with video. There was a miscalculation that I fixed back then... at the time I thought I'd fixed the stutter.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 01:09

I know I've asked this before... but is this reported stutter confined to chapter points (or cell points, often they are the same thing)?

dvdRENEGADE

13th April 2004, 01:22

jdobbs,
Does DVD-RB add sequence end codes to every single video stream it creates before combining the multiple streams together? If so, that could be causing hiccups, etc.
dvdRENEGADE

Stive

13th April 2004, 01:26

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I've asked this before... but is this reported stutter confined to chapter points (or cell points, often they are the same thing)?

For me, the stutter has been at chapter points. Both normal watching over a chapter, and if I fast forward to a chapter and back in up a bit. But, to be honest, I don't know what a cell point is.

wmansir

13th April 2004, 01:45

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I've asked this before... but is this reported stutter confined to chapter points (or cell points, often they are the same thing)?

Some report just chapter points, but I see it at random spots, not just cell points or chapter points.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 01:56

Originally posted by dvdRENEGADE
jdobbs,
Does DVD-RB add sequence end codes to every single video stream it creates before combining the multiple streams together? If so, that could be causing hiccups, etc.
dvdRENEGADE No. It was a few versions ago. But it was pointed out to me and I corrected it.

Gunner-GoNad

13th April 2004, 02:57

Hi.. This is my first post. I've been using your software since the first release and love it. I tried my first 4:3 to 16:9 DVD today. It is Topgun. The encoed went through fine. When I check the VOB's they play 16:9 perfect. Now when I burn them or conver them into an ISO and play it they go to 4:3 and are squished because it has been converted. Please help. Is it better to do the whole DVD in 16:9 coversion or just the movie. I did just the movie. The menus are still 4:3. Could this be the reason? It's strange cause before I burn the VOBs themselves load up and play 16:9 perfect. Ahhh.. Frustrating. I've burned with different programs and convereted into an ISO, NRG, IMG files and mounted and they all produces the same 4:3 squish.

Other than that. All the 16:9 DVDs I do work and look perfect! This is the best program ever. Keep up the good work.

-Gunner-GoNad

Oh I did this using v0.35

quantum

13th April 2004, 03:55

Originally posted by jdobbs
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't get stutter. I'm trying like hell to cause it and can't. This is very frustrating. I'm stutter free since a few versions ago on my Pioneer standalone. My Toshiba never had stutter even with the earliest versions. I watch it fairly sharp eyed and I'm quick to notice telecide or other errors and it's been good so far.

dvdRENEGADE

13th April 2004, 04:15

jdobbs,
should the gop structures of the dvd-rb streams match the gop structures of the originals? if so, i'm not so sure they're doing it. gop timestamps seem to be screwed as well. i demuxed a few cells of the original dvd and the dvd-rb dvd and used restream to view their structure and timestamp and they differ.
dvdRENEGADE

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 04:26

Originally posted by dvdRENEGADE
jdobbs,
should the gop structures of the dvd-rb streams match the gop structures of the originals? if so, i'm not so sure they're doing it. gop timestamps seem to be screwed as well. i demuxed a few cells of the original dvd and the dvd-rb dvd and used restream to view their structure and timestamp and they differ.
dvdRENEGADE No, the GOPs shouldn't. The timestamps shouldn't match either (they couldn't unless it was an identical GOP structure) -- it is newly authored from scratch. But the frame count should match in each cell -- and the TFF/RFF pattern should be identical.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 04:56

Originally posted by Gunner-GoNad
Hi.. This is my first post. I've been using your software since the first release and love it. I tried my first 4:3 to 16:9 DVD today. It is Topgun. The encoed went through fine. When I check the VOB's they play 16:9 perfect. Now when I burn them or conver them into an ISO and play it they go to 4:3 and are squished because it has been converted. Please help. Is it better to do the whole DVD in 16:9 coversion or just the movie. I did just the movie. The menus are still 4:3. Could this be the reason? It's strange cause before I burn the VOBs themselves load up and play 16:9 perfect. Ahhh.. Frustrating. I've burned with different programs and convereted into an ISO, NRG, IMG files and mounted and they all produces the same 4:3 squish.

Other than that. All the 16:9 DVDs I do work and look perfect! This is the best program ever. Keep up the good work.

-Gunner-GoNad

Oh I did this using v0.35 Check the IFO files for the VTSs that you've converted to 16:9 with IFOEDIT. Make sure they are being updated properly. The information should be in VTSI_MAT and at offset 200. It should say 16:9 and "Letterboxed". If they aren't coming out right that has to be it. You can change them and reburn -- but make sure you let me know if it is wrong so I know my code is screwing up.

dvdRENEGADE

13th April 2004, 05:43

jdobbs,
When checking the first gop timestamps for the cells i've demuxed from my dvd-rb encode of Andersonville (R1), each one is listed as 0H 0M 63S 63F. The originals are listed properly, such as 2H 2M 41S 0F. Should DVD-RB be correcting these timestamps after the encoding phase. Maybe that's the cause of some of the stuttering problems.
dvdRENEGADE

Gunner-GoNad

13th April 2004, 06:24

Originally posted by jdobbs
Check the IFO files for the VTSs that you've converted to 16:9 with IFOEDIT. Make sure they are being updated properly. The information should be in VTSI_MAT and at offset 200. It should say 16:9 and "Letterboxed". If they aren't coming out right that has to be it. You can change them and reburn -- but make sure you let me know if it is wrong so I know my code is screwing up.

Ok this is what I have under 200 -

[00000200]
Video attributes of VTSTT_VOBS 17284 [4384]
Video attribute details:
Video compression MPEG-2
TV system NTSC 525/60
Aspect ratio 4:3
Automatic Display Mode not specified
CC for Line21-1 (NTSC only) data present in GOP
CC for Line21-2 (NTSC only) no data
Bit Rate VBR
Source Resolution 704x480 (NTSC)
Letterboxed top&bottom cropped no
Mode Camera

Looks like it isn't updating or something. How do I change this? When I click on it IFOEDIT says Item not editable.

Thanks again.

- Gunner-GoNad!
PS: Kinda newB to IFOEDIT

wmansir

13th April 2004, 06:35

Originally posted by Gunner-GoNad
How do I change this. When I click on it IFOEDIT says Item not editable.

You can do this on the main "VTS overview" page that IFOEDIT displays upon opening an .IFO.

It is right near the top under "Title Set (movie) attributes", just double click on the "VIDEO: MPEG-2 720x480 ...." line and a window will pop up.

Gunner-GoNad

13th April 2004, 07:21

Originally posted by wmansir
You can do this on the main "VTS overview" page that IFOEDIT displays upon opening an .IFO.

It is right near the top under "Title Set (movie) attributes", just double click on the "VIDEO: MPEG-2 720x480 ...." line and a window will pop up.

Thanks wmansir. Once I changed those settings in the IFO and made the ISO image everything played perfect at the correct aspect ratio.

@jdobbs
I guess it's not updating the IFO correctly. Other than that the conversion works perfect. Looks great and works perfect for my 16:9 TV. Job well done. Thanks again for the support.

-Gunner-GoNad!

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 10:45

@Gunner-GoNad,

What version of DVD-RB did you use to make the conversion? There was a bug fix in v0.34.

Centurione

13th April 2004, 11:01

Hi, this is my first post and so hello everybody and thank you for all the useful information I got from this forum.

Now a special thanks to jdobbs for its application and for all the works he puts in it.

Now to the subject.
I started using DVD RB since version 0.21, but I always found a problem with subtitles on my standalone, not present when playing on the PC (WinDVD or PowerDVD)

So my last backup
Film: "The Monk", region R2 (PAL)
Encoder: QEnc 0.45
RB version v0.31 ( the problem was present also before )

Everything went fine, no problem at all (except an undersize, probably due to QEnc).
Seen on the PC everything was fine, I checked also subtitles (I am not an english speaker, but I like to listen films in original language, 90 % of what I see is in english, and switch on english subtitle to avoid loose too much, slang, etc ...).
Then I burnt on a DVD-RW disk and checked on my standalone ( a budget AMSTRAD 2320, that till now was able to display almost everything), and I found that I was able to select subtitles, the player showed them as present, but nothing was visibile.

Then I tried another backup with DVD-Shrink (quality was obviously inferior) but when burnt and played in this copy the subtitle were visible.

Then I made another trial ( I do not know how much valid ) and I took some of the VOB from the DVDShrink backup and inserted them into the DVD RB backub, I then used IfoEdit to correct VTS Sectors and burn this copy. Everything worked (perhaps I was lucky) and on the VOBs from DVDShrink the subtitles were present, not on the one from DVD-RB ( the IFos were the ones from the DVD-RB backup).

I am now in the process of doing another backup with 0.35 (it will take a while with my PIII/600) and now I am at work, I will check if the problem is still present.

The question is just to understand if this problem is just for my standalone (and so I will leave with that) or is present also for other people and other kind of standalones.

Thank you for the attention (and also for my poor english).

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 11:46

Originally posted by Gunner-GoNad
Thanks wmansir. Once I changed those settings in the IFO and made the ISO image everything played perfect at the correct aspect ratio.

@jdobbs
I guess it's not updating the IFO correctly. Other than that the conversion works perfect. Looks great and works perfect for my 16:9 TV. Job well done. Thanks again for the support.

-Gunner-GoNad! Thanks for the excellent test and feedback. I just found the bug that caused it not to update. It's fixed and will be in 0.36. This is what betas are all about. But, that's twice I've had to fix that one... I'm getting a little sloppy in my old age.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 11:53

Originally posted by Centurione
Hi, this is my first post and so hello everybody and thank you for all the useful information I got from this forum.

Now a special thanks to jdobbs for its application and for all the works he puts in it.

Now to the subject.
I started using DVD RB since version 0.21, but I always found a problem with subtitles on my standalone, not present when playing on the PC (WinDVD or PowerDVD)

So my last backup
Film: "The Monk", region R2 (PAL)
Encoder: QEnc 0.45
RB version v0.31 ( the problem was present also before )

Everything went fine, no problem at all (except an undersize, probably due to QEnc).
Seen on the PC everything was fine, I checked also subtitles (I am not an english speaker, but I like to listen films in original language, 90 % of what I see is in english, and switch on english subtitle to avoid loose too much, slang, etc ...).
Then I burnt on a DVD-RW disk and checked on my standalone ( a budget AMSTRAD 2320, that till now was able to display almost everything), and I found that I was able to select subtitles, the player showed them as present, but nothing was visibile.

Then I tried another backup with DVD-Shrink (quality was obviously inferior) but when burnt and played in this copy the subtitle were visible.

Then I made another trial ( I do not know how much valid ) and I took some of the VOB from the DVDShrink backup and inserted them into the DVD RB backub, I then used IfoEdit to correct VTS Sectors and burn this copy. Everything worked (perhaps I was lucky) and on the VOBs from DVDShrink the subtitles were present, not on the one from DVD-RB ( the IFos were the ones from the DVD-RB backup).

I am now in the process of doing another backup with 0.35 (it will take a while with my PIII/600) and now I am at work, I will check if the problem is still present.

The question is just to understand if this problem is just for my standalone (and so I will leave with that) or is present also for other people and other kind of standalones.

Thank you for the attention (and also for my poor english). Somewhere in the conversion process there must be a unique and rare set of circumstances that causes this. It doesn't happen often -- but it does happen. I also notice a strange anomaly when I first did "Pirates of the Caribbean." The subtitles came up in French when something with text was shown on the screen ("Beware Pirates...") -- but only then.

puddy

13th April 2004, 14:55

Using version .35 with CCE 2.50.
Movie is Brother Bear Disc 2 NTSC.

I chose to do everything as Half D1 except for
the main movie. Main movie turned out great but
all the half height stuff is scrambled.

Here's a screen shot:
http://stuff.wso.net/images/forum_pics/bb_half_d1.jpg

The screen shot was taken with WinDVD v5.3
Platinum. Any ideas?

Awesome utility, thank you! :)

EDIT: I posted this first by mistake as its own
thread and the system wouldn't let me remove it. Now
somebody has replied to that thread. Sorry. :(

djan

13th April 2004, 15:24

It is exactly the same problem I have.

Alex Z

13th April 2004, 15:27

Originally posted by jdobbs
No, the GOPs shouldn't. The timestamps shouldn't match either (they couldn't unless it was an identical GOP structure) -- it is newly authored from scratch. But the frame count should match in each cell -- and the TFF/RFF pattern should be identical.

@jdobbs

Observation:

Comparing source .vob files and RB's in dvd2avi shows the following:

(Comparing the same timeline. Somewhere 12-13min from the start of the movie. Movie: What women want. R1 NTSC)

Source 23.976 (Film)
RB's output is 98%-99% film.

Could this be a reason for stuttering?

Joergen

13th April 2004, 15:54

Could that be an overlay problem with the lines? I remember from the DivX days that some cards couldnt handle a rez. Take a screenshot in DVD2AVI in RGB MODE (so its not using overlay.. choose RGB inside DVD2AVI).

Alex Z

13th April 2004, 16:17

Originally posted by djan
It is exactly the same problem I have.

Maibe resolution in .ecl file does not match with resolution in .avs?

dancis

13th April 2004, 16:24

I tried terminator 2 last night and i still get the buffer overflow errors 003/004 with v0.35

Can someone tell me what i am doing wrong ?

this is my config:

[Paths]
Source=H:\VIDEO_TS\
Working=E:\FILM\
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\CCE SP Trial Version\EclCCE.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
[Options]
DynamicBitrate=1
CCE=1
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=30
Quality_prec=24
eclPasses=5

i removed all old lines in regedit and then reinstalled everything again.

dvdRENEGADE

13th April 2004, 16:35

jdobbs,
I looked over the .ecl being created by DVD-RB. I'm using CCE cce2.67.00.23 trial with eclcce. The biggest thing I notice in .ecl creation is using the old "top_first" instead of the new "offset_line=0" to set field order. Also, missing from the created .ecl's [item] section was "panscan=0" and "uscc=0". In the [file] section, it was missing "type=0".
Hope this helps,
dvdRENEGADE

onesoul

13th April 2004, 16:48

@jdobbs

I tried at last DVD-RB and I think it is beautiful.
One thing I detected is that LPCM audio I deselected doens't go away, I rebuilded with that mistake, the output size went fine. Then to verify I noticed that bitrate wouldn't change at process stage if I selected/deselected the LPCM but it would change if the AC3 was removed. DVD-RB can't handle LPCM for now?
The way you handle source film now is brilliant :)
I agree with ddogg to be able to insert some filter(s) if you wish, the undot() doesn't hurt for example (don't think the same about temporalsoften though but it would be user's choice anyway).

Cheers

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 17:53

Originally posted by puddy
Using version .35 with CCE 2.50.
Movie is Brother Bear Disc 2 NTSC.

I chose to do everything as Half D1 except for
the main movie. Main movie turned out great but
all the half height stuff is scrambled.

Here's a screen shot:
PICTURE WAS HERE

The screen shot was taken with WinDVD v5.3
Platinum. Any ideas?

Awesome utility, thank you! :)

EDIT: I posted this first by mistake as its own
thread and the system wouldn't let me remove it. Now
somebody has replied to that thread. Sorry. :( That appears to be an error message from AVISYNTH. It gets skewed because the framerate is not correct. Open one of the converted AVS files directly with Windows Media Player and see what message it is giving.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 17:57

Originally posted by Alex Z
@jdobbs

Observation:

Comparing source .vob files and RB's in dvd2avi shows the following:

(Comparing the same timeline. Somewhere 12-13min from the start of the movie. Movie: What women want. R1 NTSC)

Source 23.976 (Film)
RB's output is 98%-99% film.

Could this be a reason for stuttering? That definitely isn't right. They should match exactly. What DVD-RB version are you using? I'm all over this... if it can point me toward the stuttering I'll be overjoyed.

djan

13th April 2004, 17:59

Originally posted by jdobbs
That appears to be an error message from AVISYNTH. It gets skewed because the framerate is not correct. Open one of the converted AVS files directly with Windows Media Player and see what message it is giving. Hi, I have the same problem. When I open the avs file, it's played fine.

Alex Z

13th April 2004, 18:03

Originally posted by jdobbs
That definitely isn't right. They should match exactly. What DVD-RB version are you using? I'm all over this... if it can point me toward the stuttering I'll be overjoyed.

The latest... .35
CCE 2.67
Source: unmodefied iso
dvd2avi 1.76.

Let me know if more info is needed.

mosher2k

13th April 2004, 18:04

Hi,

i have tested RB 0.35 with the PAL DVD Wacken Open Air.
I noticed that the subtitles are missed after all.
It is interesting to see that if you use the subtitle button
of the remote while playing the video the player recognizes the language of the two possible subtitles but doesn't show them.

Thanks for your big efforts to develop this great tool !

Mosher2k

djan

13th April 2004, 18:07

Hi,

I'm using DVDRB since the beginning and it's the first time I'm getting the run-time error '9'. It appears in the beginning of the prepare process before doing anything. I can take a shot if you wish. I'm using DVDRB 0.35 with CCE 2.50 and the movie is HERO.

Thx.

EDIT : Prepare process and not rebuild. Sorry.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 18:08

Originally posted by onesoul
@jdobbs

I tried at last DVD-RB and I think it is beautiful.
One thing I detected is that LPCM audio I deselected doens't go away, I rebuilded with that mistake, the output size went fine. Then to verify I noticed that bitrate wouldn't change at process stage if I selected/deselected the LPCM but it would change if the AC3 was removed. DVD-RB can't handle LPCM for now?
The way you handle source film now is brilliant :)
I agree with ddogg to be able to insert some filter(s) if you wish, the undot() doesn't hurt for example (don't think the same about temporalsoften though but it would be user's choice anyway).

Cheers I don't think I have a DVD with LPCM to test. But I thought it packetized with a private stream header just like AC3 -- and assumed I could select and remove it..

Does anyone know of any special consideration I have to give a LPCM stream? Maybe its ID is in an odd format (like DTS)?

dancis

13th April 2004, 18:11

Originally posted by mosher2k
Hi,

i have tested RB 0.35 with the PAL DVD Wacken Open Air.
I noticed that the subtitles are missed after all.
It is interesting to see that if you use the subtitle button
of the remote while playing the video the player recognizes the language of the two possible subtitles but doesn't show them.

Thanks for your big efforts to develop this great tool !

Mosher2k

I have the same problem , and i still haven't found what is causing it.
Maybe it is a player issue , because on my samsung they don't show and on a cheap player their is no problem and everything works

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 18:13

Originally posted by dancis
I have the same problem , and i still haven't found what is causing it.
Maybe it is a player issue , because on my samsung they don't show and on a cheap player their is no problem and everything works I have an idea as to what might be causing it -- a shortcut I took. I've put it on my list.

Joergen

13th April 2004, 19:14

Keep up the good work.

See, how many tools deserve their OWN forum at doom9? Not many!

CiViC

13th April 2004, 19:20

just fyi, CCE crashes with a still frame on the Fushigi Yuugi Season 1 and 2 dvd's...

Rombaldi

13th April 2004, 19:39

@jdobbs

ok, found something bizzare here. As I said, I've used RB to 'fix' (both black level and 'oversize') some homemade discs that were recorded with both a Panasonic and Philips DVD Recorder and sat down to watch some today and see a problem..

it APPEARS that either RB isn't reading or the original MPEG streams aren't setting/indicating the Top/Bottom field first properly. On all that I've done, there is the distinctive 'flicker' of a field order wrong on panning scenes. This is NOT present in the original.

if you PM me, I'll send you both an original and an RB's of an example (since these are homemade's, I see no issue with that).

dvdRENEGADE

13th April 2004, 19:46

Originally posted by Rombaldi
@jdobbs

ok, found something bizzare here. As I said, I've used RB to 'fix' (both black level and 'oversize') some homemade discs that were recorded with both a Panasonic and Philips DVD Recorder and sat down to watch some today and see a problem..

it APPEARS that either RB isn't reading or the original MPEG streams aren't setting/indicating the Top/Bottom field first properly. On all that I've done, there is the distinctive 'flicker' of a field order wrong on panning scenes. This is NOT present in the original.

if you PM me, I'll send you both an original and an RB's of an example (since these are homemade's, I see no issue with that).

What version of CCE are you using? I've noticed that the .ecl created by DVD-RB is using the old "top_first" instead of the new "offset_line=0" used by newer versions of CCE to set field order. I'm not sure if that is responsible for the flicker problem or not.
dvdRENEGADE

Rombaldi

13th April 2004, 19:47

Originally posted by dvdRENEGADE
What version of CCE are you using? I've noticed that the .ecl created by DVD-RB is using the old "top_first" instead of the new "offset_line=0" used by newer versions of CCE to set field order.

2.50

Gunner-GoNad

13th April 2004, 20:28

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks for the excellent test and feedback. I just found the bug that caused it not to update. It's fixed and will be in 0.36. This is what betas are all about. But, that's twice I've had to fix that one... I'm getting a little sloppy in my old age.

Hey No prob. Thanks for making the best DVD 9 to DVD 5 tool out there. You're tool makes all others crawl on thier knees and beg for mercey! Hahaha.

One more thing. When it does convert from 4:3 to 16:9 does it change the res from 704x480 to 720x480? Cause when I manually changed it in IFOEDIT I changed it to 720x480 because the other way looked a little strange.

Thanks Again.
Gunner-GoNad!

quantum

13th April 2004, 20:33

Regarding the subtitles issue, for the first time I noticed what appeared to be subtitles out of position. They were too low on the screen and the last line was almost cut off. I'm unsure if this is a dvdrb issue but thought I'd post it in case it may be helpful.

13th April 2004, 20:37

Regarding subtitles:

I just did a backup of my newly bought Black Books Season 2 (PAL R2), and it all turned out wonderfully, much like it should. Subtitles were working fine and not placed wrong. The first episode originally had subtitles both in the upper and lower half of the picture (in order not to obscure view of other text), and they worked like they should.

-tf

Joergen

13th April 2004, 20:42

About subtitle shifting. I remember dvdshrink being accused of the same thing, but it only happened with some specific player using the 4:3 setting (vertical squeeze). And I would imagine it is more prone to happen using the 4:3 setting than the "native" 16:9 on an anamorphic disc. At least I've never seen subs shifted and I always use an 16:9 tv.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 22:47

Originally posted by Gunner-GoNad
Hey No prob. Thanks for making the best DVD 9 to DVD 5 tool out there. You're tool makes all others crawl on thier knees and beg for mercey! Hahaha.

One more thing. When it does convert from 4:3 to 16:9 does it change the res from 704x480 to 720x480? Cause when I manually changed it in IFOEDIT I changed it to 720x480 because the other way looked a little strange.

Thanks Again.
Gunner-GoNad! I was't changing it. But since the output of the LanczosResize() command is 720 wide, I guess I should.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 22:48

Originally posted by tf
Regarding subtitles:

I just did a backup of my newly bought Black Books Season 2 (PAL R2), and it all turned out wonderfully, much like it should. Subtitles were working fine and not placed wrong. The first episode originally had subtitles both in the upper and lower half of the picture (in order not to obscure view of other text), and they worked like they should.

-tf Subtitles go through DVD-RB untouched.

13th April 2004, 22:55

Apart from Closed Captions not being supported, and the strange problem with "The Eye" (PAL R2) in which subtitles disappeared when it changed from chapter 10 to 11 (a restart of the chapter worked), I've had no probs at all with subtitles :-)

-tf

Knocks

13th April 2004, 23:32

I just tried the .35 build and it still gives me the same problem, #0004 Buffer Overflow, as the previous versions. This occurs at Stage III, Processing VTS_01, Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1. I use CCE SP 2.67.

nwg

14th April 2004, 00:52

0.36 isn't working.

As soon as click on prepare it comes up with stop statement encountered and exits. It still works with previous versions.

Paced

14th April 2004, 00:58

Originally posted by nwg
0.36 isn't working.

As soon as click on prepare it comes up with stop statement encountered and exits. It still works with previous versions.

Same.

onesoul

14th April 2004, 01:27

Originally posted by jdobbs
I don't think I have a DVD with LPCM to test. But I thought it packetized with a private stream header just like AC3 -- and assumed I could select and remove it..

Does anyone know of any special consideration I have to give a LPCM stream? Maybe its ID is in an odd format (like DTS)? I checked in ifoedit 0.95, the Linear PCM (2 channel 48Kbps, 16bps quantization) ID is 0xa0. Is there anything else I could check? (I am an ifoedit noob). The DVD is (PAL) Robin Williams Live on Broadway (so damn funny :D ), the LPCM is over 1GByte, lol.
A question, the same DVD has a Jacket_P folder with 3 *.mp2 files of 56 Kb size, I managed to open one and appeared a picture (menu?). What is it?

Italbar

14th April 2004, 01:36

Originally posted by nwg
0.36 isn't working.

As soon as click on prepare it comes up with stop statement encountered and exits. It still works with previous versions.

Same here as well.

Joergen

14th April 2004, 01:49

Originally posted by onesoul
A question, the same DVD has a Jacket_P folder with 3 *.mp2 files of 56 Kb size, I managed to open one and appeared a picture (menu?). What is it?

It's the Jacket Picture that some players show in their background when you hit stop, or a disc-changer uses it as thumbnails to select a movie.

kbello

14th April 2004, 01:50

Originally posted by Paced
Same.

same :(

onesoul

14th April 2004, 01:59

Originally posted by Joergen
It's the Jacket Picture that some players show in their background when you hit stop, or a disc-changer uses it as thumbnails to select a movie. My player doesn't show it. Thanks for the enlightenment :)

@jdobbs
I verified in ifoedit the rebuilt dvd and the layer break is still there (didn't check at player), shouldn't it be removed? (It's frustrating to watch a disk with a pause due to layer change when it is single sided, don't you think?). I don't mean to annoy you :)

brikin

14th April 2004, 02:16

JDobbs do I need to do all the steps over again with 0.36 or can I just rebuild with files I encoded with 0.35? I am just asking because I am still getting my 004 buffer overflow error by just rebuilding.

Thanks
Brik

DDogg

14th April 2004, 02:40

yep, ditto the "stop statement" a few seconds after it starts the prepare sequence. This happens whether source is mounted ISO or file mode, cce or rejig. Should be easy to replicate.

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 03:03

My humble apologies to everyone. I hastily loaded the wrong executable into the zip file, uploaded, and went on my merry way. The version that was loaded was used for debugging. Please download Version 0.36a which I've just posted.

Again -- sorry. :(

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 03:04

Originally posted by brikin
JDobbs do I need to do all the steps over again with 0.36 or can I just rebuild with files I encoded with 0.35? I am just asking because I am still getting my 004 buffer overflow error by just rebuilding.

Thanks
Brik I made no changes that might affect the 0004 error.

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 03:39

Originally posted by onesoul
My player doesn't show it. Thanks for the enlightenment :)

@jdobbs
I verified in ifoedit the rebuilt dvd and the layer break is still there (didn't check at player), shouldn't it be removed? (It's frustrating to watch a disk with a pause due to layer change when it is single sided, don't you think?). I don't mean to annoy you :) I'll have to think about that. The term "layer break" that you see in IFOEDIT actually refers an STC discontinuity -- a point at which the clock is reset (usually to 0). It just happens that this sometimes occurs on DVDs at the point where it changes to the other layer. The problem is that if you actually do have a discontinuity, you'll get playback problems (stutter) by removing the flag.

Unlike some other methods that use CCE, I duplicate the form and settings of the original DVD -- including the clock resets when they happen. In order to remove the discontinuity flag I'd have to also make the clock continuous.

DDogg

14th April 2004, 05:26

There are two anomalies I noticed in 36a

1> With rejig clearly checked, prepare phase completed. The encode button was pressed and threw an error:"The current selected mode does not match the mode used during "Prepare" - cannot continue."

2> The encode would start if CCE was checked. However, I'm sure due to the above, when I did start encoding the abort button was borked and it threw an error. Even with dvd-rb was killed, instances of CCE kept appearing, so I had to kill rebuilder at a TM level.

Nice to see that length and aspect, thanks much, plus I replied to you on that other thing.

DMagic1

14th April 2004, 06:16

1. v.035
2. QuEnc
3. N
4. I got my FIRST runtime error.
Runtime error 5 during rebuilding on the last segment. The m2v was only 1k and was unplayable. The rest of the m2v files were playable. This was on a movie I've done maybe 8 times with DVD-RB with no error. I've used Rejig and CCE on this movie with v.035 with no errors before.

JDay

14th April 2004, 08:46

Originally posted by DDogg
There are two anomalies I noticed in 36a

Yep, had the same problems with QuEnc. Sure wish I'd kept a backup of .35...

philos31

14th April 2004, 08:53

Finaly I've got my first error.

Runtime error 9, subscript out of range.

1. DVD-R Version: 0.36a 0.35 & 0.28
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered: Runtime error 9, subscript out of range.
This occurs direct after clicking the prepare button.
After the error RB shuts down, and in the working dir I have 4 files:
Rebuilder.ecl
VO1.D2V
V01000000001001.AVS
V01000000001001.FLG
The last one is empty (0 bytes)
The ECL file and the AVS file only have the header writen:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------

This is a movie called "Ong Bak" (kind of Jacky Chan movie)

Maybe you are interested in the IFO files for further exploring?
Just give me a yell :)

Centurione

14th April 2004, 08:54

I noticed from other posts that the missing subtitles are not my problem only (see my previous post).
I did another backup with version v0.35 and still the missing subtitles problems appears.
Seems to be related to some kind of player (reading the replies nor budget not expensive, but just to the model).
Glad to hear that jdobbs is having an idea on that.
Keep up with the good work.

Lazza

14th April 2004, 09:33

Originally posted by philos31
Finaly I've got my first error.

Runtime error 9, subscript out of range.

1. DVD-R Version: 0.36a 0.35 & 0.28
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered: Runtime error 9, subscript out of range.
This occurs direct after clicking the prepare button.
After the error RB shuts down, and in the working dir I have 4 files:

Sadly ditto here on trying to encode Cinema Paradiso (Theatrical Release)

1. 0.35 & 0.36a
2. CCE 2.50
3. Y
4. Bug encountered: Runtime error 9, subscript out of range.

Everything I've thrown at it so far has worked a treat until now too.

dancis

14th April 2004, 10:06

I am still getting buffer overflow errors when rebuilding , i think it is my fault.

Can it be a bad or too low memory problem? 256mb of memory is too little??

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 10:53

Msc_Alex

14th April 2004, 11:00

@Lazza and @philos31

have you tried this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=469288&highlight=master+bottom#post469288)

worked for me
Only look for the first I GOP in the fist VTS_0*_1.VOB

@jdobbs I still have that mini dvd (~1MB)for you that will
cause the runtime 9 problem, I know Stutter has of course
a higher prio.

onesoul

14th April 2004, 11:05

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'll have to think about that. The term "layer break" that you see in IFOEDIT actually refers an STC discontinuity -- a point at which the clock is reset (usually to 0). It just happens that this sometimes occurs on DVDs at the point where it changes to the other layer. The problem is that if you actually do have a discontinuity, you'll get playback problems (stutter) by removing the flag.

Unlike some other methods that use CCE, I duplicate the form and settings of the original DVD -- including the clock resets when they happen. In order to remove the discontinuity flag I'd have to also make the clock continuous. Do you mean that not all points where layer changes the clock isn't reset to 0?

I think what Dmagic1 means is that the error happens with Quenc but not with rejig and cce.

nwg

14th April 2004, 11:12

DDogg wrote,
With rejig clearly checked, prepare phase completed. The encode button was pressed and threw an error:"The current selected mode does not match the mode used during "Prepare" - cannot continue."

I did the prepare using Rejig and managed to get encoding started after selecting CCE afterwards. However, it starts encoding in CCE. It looks like the new 'sanity check' is setup wrong.

I am sticking with 0.35 for now.

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 11:20

Originally posted by DDogg
There are two anomalies I noticed in 36a

1> With rejig clearly checked, prepare phase completed. The encode button was pressed and threw an error:"The current selected mode does not match the mode used during "Prepare" - cannot continue."

2> The encode would start if CCE was checked. However, I'm sure due to the above, when I did start encoding the abort button was borked and it threw an error. Even with dvd-rb was killed, instances of CCE kept appearing, so I had to kill rebuilder at a TM level.

Nice to see that length and aspect, thanks much, plus I replied to you on that other thing. Well -- that makes two "winners" posted in the same day. I hope today is better... A new version (v0.37) that fixes that error is posted. Maybe you should just look at it as a "feature" that prevents stuttering :rolleyes:

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 11:24

Originally posted by onesoul
Do you mean that not all points where layer changes the clock isn't reset to 0?

I think what Dmagic1 means is that the error happens with Quenc but not with rejig and cce. I'm saying it doesn't have to be reset to 0 -- but you need to flag a discontinuity for the timing involved. But if you look throught other DVDs you'll see lots of IFOEDIT tagged "layer breaks" -- it is flagged every time the clock is reset and a discontinuity is indicated.

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 11:35

Originally posted by jdobbs
Well -- that makes two "winners" posted in the same day. I hope today is better... A new version (v0.37) that fixes that error is posted. Maybe you should just look at it as a "feature" that prevents stuttering :rolleyes: Make that three... I've just uploaded 0.37a...

philos31

14th April 2004, 12:26

Originally posted by Msc_Alex
@Lazza and @philos31

have you tried this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=469288&highlight=master+bottom#post469288)

worked for me
Only look for the first I GOP in the fist VTS_0*_1.VOB

@jdobbs I still have that mini dvd (~1MB)for you that will
cause the runtime 9 problem, I know Stutter has of course
a higher prio.

Well I compared it, but they are excatly like this:

[00af] Picture Coding Extension 143 255 247 28 0 0 [8f ff f7 1c 00 00 ]
Extension ID-bits: 8
f_code[0][0] (forward horizontal): 143
f_code[0][1] (forward vertical): 15
f_code[1][0] (backward horizontal): 255
f_code[1][1] (backward vertical): 15
intra_DC_precision: 1
picture_structure: 3
picture_structure: Frame picture
Top_Field_First: 0
TOP_FIELD_FIRST: 0
frame_pred_frame_dct: 0
concealment_motion_vectors: 0
q_scale_type: 1
intra_vlc_format: 1
alternate_scan: 1
Repeat_First_Field: 0
REPEAT_FIRST_FIELD: 0
chroma_420_type: 0
progressive_frame: 0
composite_display flag: 0

So I don't see the problem here!

0.37a is still giving the same error, but only on this dvd, all others i tried work without problems.

Lazza

14th April 2004, 12:40

Originally posted by Msc_Alex
@Lazza and @philos31

have you tried this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=469288&highlight=master+bottom#post469288)

worked for me
Only look for the first I GOP in the fist VTS_0*_1.VOB

In the middle of another long encode right now (must upgrade that 1.8 Athlon! :D ) so will try that later cheers. :)

Msc_Alex

14th April 2004, 12:55

@philos31

Thanks for testing
It worked with 2 other people (a other theory down the drain)

Interesting, so al the VTS_*0_1.vob's are progressive and still runtime 9 ,weird ..
I found a other dvd that had a problem when I striped it with doitfast4u, one m2v
came out as IBFF (Interlaced bottom field fist) that also caused the problem.
Could you try this to confirm that all the m2v are progressive ? And just for fun
set the first [00af] Picture Coding Extension 143 255 247 28 0 0 [8f ff f7 1c 00 00 ]
to [00af] Picture Coding Extension 143 255 247 28 0 0 [8f ff f9 1c 00 00 ] see if this
works.
thx

@Lazza thanks hope to hear soon (good to know it also happens on AMD's)

DMagic1

14th April 2004, 17:31

QuEnc seems unaffected by the target size option(QuEncTargetSectors=).

My first test I didnt add the target size option and the movie was about 4,273,800,000 bytes.
On the second test I added QuEncTargetSectors=2300000, which should have been too big. The end result was about the same 4,273,800,000 bytes. :confused:

Mtz

14th April 2004, 18:04

That's not a bug. I just saw it.

http://img1.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img1&image=rbd_or_rdb.jpg

DMagic1

14th April 2004, 18:11

Originally posted by DMagic1
1. v.035
2. QuEnc
3. N
4. I got my FIRST runtime error.
Runtime error 5 during rebuilding on the last segment. The m2v was only 1k and was unplayable. The rest of the m2v files were playable. This was on a movie I've done maybe 8 times with DVD-RB with no error. I've used Rejig and CCE on this movie with v.035 with no errors before.

It would seem its a issue with QuEnc and small m2v creation. Problem appears when using a avs that creates a m2v thats only about 1 frame. QuEnc creates a m2v thats unplayable and is only 4 bytes in size. It seems not to contain any video info. During rebuilding the faulty m2v causes the error 5. The same m2v created with CCE or Rejig is playable.

jurij

14th April 2004, 18:44

The italian spanish audio issue is still there on .37a :((
I have choosed to keep italian audio in dvdrebuilder and it kept spanish (i can hear the spanish audio stream selecting spanish in the audio menu)
can you think to something?

robw

14th April 2004, 19:05

Originally posted by jurij
The italian spanish audio issue is still there on .37a :((
I have choosed to keep italian audio in dvdrebuilder and it kept spanish (i can hear the spanish audio stream selecting spanish in the audio menu)
can you think to something?

It will get fixed but til then here is my workflow:

1. Rip DVD to HD using DVDShrink. Be sure to set it for zero compression for main movie; however, deselect any audio, subtitles, or set compression for extras/menus.

2. Use DVDReMake to strip out any other stuff you don't want

3. Run DVD-RB

4. Burn DVD

This gives you total control over the content of the DVD.

Joergen

14th April 2004, 19:38

jdobbs: Dunno if its a bug really. But in 0.37a (havent tried it earlier) you can start the preparation without entering a working path.

jurij

14th April 2004, 19:59

quote:
Use DVDReMake to strip out any other stuff you don't want
---------------------------

What is it? where do i get it from? can i use that before dvdshrink?
please let me know.
Thanx!!!!

Joergen

14th April 2004, 20:01

Not unless you want to fork out 30$ just to test if it works or not. It seems like a great tool but wont be popular due to the price imo.

nwg

14th April 2004, 20:08

Both Titleset Blanker and DVD Stripper will strip out unwanted stuff. DVD Stripper is the more powerful program. They are both freeware as well.

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 20:20

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 20:21

Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: Dunno if its a bug really. But in 0.37a (havent tried it earlier) you can start the preparation without entering a working path. Just posted this fix (after reading your comment) with 0.38. Thanks.

Micke@home

14th April 2004, 21:41

1. DVD-RB Version 0.37a (and 0.35, 0.36a)
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: Have tried to make a full back-up of James Bond - Goldeneye (PAL R2) using ver. 0.35 to 0.37a. I chosed everything but the main movie to be Half D1.
VTS 03 4:3 Half D1
VTS 04 16:9 the Movie (Full resolution)
VTS 05 16:9 Half D1
VTS 07 4:3 Half D1
VTS 08 4:3 Half D1
VTS 09 4:3 Half D1
When the encoding process starts for VTS 04, I get the err.msg
CCE encoding failed: AvistreamRead () failed
(0 x 80044074): Buffer is too small. CLicking OK gives next err. msg.
Vinfo_open () failed: Bad data C:\PROGRAM\DVD-RB\MOVIE\D2VAVS\V04000000001001.vaf. Clicking OK gives the same msg for the next .vaf and so on.
Rebuilder.ecl shows that vts 04 has also become Half D1, even if I left it unchecked (I think the below width is Half D1.. did not know what Half D1 was a week ago... ;-).
width=352
height=576

Tried The usual suspects (PAL R2) a couple of days ago (RB ver 0.33?)
and that worked just fine, but then I didn't choose any Half D1's...

djan

14th April 2004, 22:01

Hi jdobbs,

Trying DVD-RB 0.38, I'm always getting the same error with the movie "HERO". Run-time error '9' just after I push prepare button.

To help you to know what can be the problem, there are the created files :

REBUILDER.ECL :

; Cinema Craft Encoder SP -- Encoder Control List
; Created by DVD ReBuilder

V01.D2V :

DVD2AVIProjectFile
5
45 S:\- DVD -\- STRIPPER -\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
45 S:\- DVD -\- STRIPPER -\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
45 S:\- DVD -\- STRIPPER -\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
45 S:\- DVD -\- STRIPPER -\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
45 S:\- DVD -\- STRIPPER -\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB

Stream_Type=1,0,0
iDCT_Algorithm=2
YUVRGB_Scale=1
Luminance=128,0
Picture_Size=0,0,0,0,0,0
Field_Operation=0
Frame_Rate=25000
Location=0,0,0,200AFE

V01000000001001.AVS :

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------

V01000000001001.FLG :

Nothing.

Don't care about the "- STRIPPER -" directory, the same problem appears with the original source.

Thx.

Oldeman

15th April 2004, 03:15

DVD-RB .35-.38
ReJig
After rebuilding DVD in Video_TS output...

IFOedit Get VTS Sectors reports:
Sector address in table(VMGI_MAT)
Start sector of VMGM_VOBS: [old: 0] [new: 4etc]

on several different movies...

I think this was ok before about .34??

Does not seem to effect playback on my players, but thought you should know.

DVD-RB is AWESUM..AWESOME..Ditto...

DMagic1

15th April 2004, 03:56

Originally posted by DMagic1
QuEnc seems unaffected by the target size option(QuEncTargetSectors=).

My first test I didnt add the target size option and the movie was about 4,273,800,000 bytes.
On the second test I added QuEncTargetSectors=2300000, which should have been too big. The end result was about the same 4,273,800,000 bytes. :confused:

This time I used QuEncTargetSectors=2390000 and it came out 4,368,238,592 bytes

Micke@home

15th April 2004, 06:43

Hi jdobbs

If you look at my back-up result last time I tried JB -Goldeneye (yesterday), I have now tried again but with 0.38 but also without any Half D1's
(full DVD back-up, full resolution). It is for the moment rebuilding and I don't think there will be any errors. I don't think 0.38 has to do with it but because I didn't use any Half D1's.

Now I must run away to work... (It's 07:40 A:M and +3 degrees celsius..)

Gunner-GoNad

15th April 2004, 07:03

Originally posted by nwg
Both Titleset Blanker and DVD Stripper will strip out unwanted stuff. DVD Stripper is the more powerful program. They are both freeware as well.

I agree. I use DVD Stripper. Take out all the bull **** and leave just the main title. This helps Rebuilder (CCE) get the best bitrate. Makes for ultimate quality. :)

- Gunner-GoNad!

15th April 2004, 09:06

jdobbs, I posted the following bug report for v0.31. Just tried again with v0.38 and the problem is exactly the same.
Ok, some details. The DVD is Man on the Moon PAL R2, runtime error 9 subscript out of range when processing VobId 07, CellId 01 in VTS2 during Prepare step. Here's the VTS:
Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: Deutsch (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:01:55.09 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 3) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,2,3)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:54.14 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:54.14] [Frames: 2864]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:54.24] [Frames: 2874]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:55.09] [Frames: 2884]

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:01:59.16 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 3) (uses VOB-IDs: 4,5,6)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:01:58.21 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:58.21] [Frames: 2971]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:59.06] [Frames: 2981]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:59.16] [Frames: 2991]

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:02:07.11 / 25 fps] (Programs: 5) (Cells: 5) (uses VOB-IDs: 7)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 7/ 1] : time: 00:00:15.02 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:00:15.02] [Frames: 377]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 7/ 2] : time: 00:00:05.18 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:00:20.20] [Frames: 520]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 7/ 3] : time: 00:01:15.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:36.05] [Frames: 2405]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 7/ 4] : time: 00:00:30.21 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:02:07.01] [Frames: 3176]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 7/ 5] : time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:02:07.11] [Frames: 3186]

The 10-framer cells are still frames (1 still frame per cell). The last two AVS files it creates successfully are for VobId 05/CellId 01 and VobId 06/CellId 01 where the latter doesn't look right:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:05, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MAN ON THE MOON\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(5837,5837)
ConvertToYUY2()

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:06, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MAN ON THE MOON\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(5838,5837)
ConvertToYUY2()

Note the frame number I marked in bold, I think this should be 5838 too. The last few lines of the D2V file it created:7 0 12866 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 128DF 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1294F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 12999 2

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 09:47

@RB
Thanks. That is definitely the problem. I just haven't been able to figure how it does it yet.

15th April 2004, 10:06

I could try to recreate this structure in a very small DVD image and make that available to you. Let me know.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 10:26

Originally posted by RB
I could try to recreate this structure in a very small DVD image and make that available to you. Let me know. It would probably work just to output PGC-2 as a separate movie.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 10:27

@RB

What version are you using? DVD-RB doesn't output a V02A.D2V anymore. It should be a single V02.D2V.

15th April 2004, 11:02

I'm using v0.38. Sorry, I was just quoting my original bug report for v0.31. Yes, the D2V is named different in v0.38, but everything else is the same. Same odd numbers in the AVS. So, do you want me to upload this somewhere?

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 11:16

Could you look at the IFO and see which cell has the highest sector offset? I'm thinking it might be related to the fact that it is the last frame in the cell -- but I'm not sure whether it is because it is the last frame in the cell, but not the VOB, or because it is the last frame in the cell and in the VOB.

HanSolo00

15th April 2004, 11:37

Originally posted by jurij
quote:
Use DVDReMake to strip out any other stuff you don't want
---------------------------

What is it? where do i get it from? can i use that before dvdshrink?
please let me know.
Thanx!!!!

DVDReMake is well worth the money, even if you use Shrink on a title this tool is great to pre-process. You can delete specific portions of the extras and menus, freeing up space, as well as delete the buttons for those removed features, so that the menu skips over the things you've removed. The other thing is the guy also updates the software almost every day which is nice to know it's being improved. It's got a lot of power because you can adjust all kinds of button/menu behavior in the advanced mode if you want to. The only major thing I wish was added to ReMake, is the ability to strip language or subpicture streams, because it would save a step having to do that in IFOedit (DVD-RB seemed to leave them in, silenced, in the last version I tried.) Anyway ReMake is a good tool to have whether you are doing Shrink or CCE backups because it's the only one I know of that lets you properly edit menus in detail.

As soon as my spindles of DVD-R show up (today or tomorrow) I'll be burning some new projects and doing some major testing again in my finicky Norcent for stutter. I've never had a run-time error or other, DVD-RB works great in that respect.

15th April 2004, 13:03

Originally posted by jdobbs
Could you look at the IFO and see which cell has the highest sector offset? I'm thinking it might be related to the fact that it is the last frame in the cell -- but I'm not sure whether it is because it is the last frame in the cell, but not the VOB, or because it is the last frame in the cell and in the VOB.
The cell with the highest sector offset in this VTS is V/C Id: 7/5. IOW, all cells are sequential in the VOB as shown in the IFOEdit listing I posted.

mikegun

15th April 2004, 13:24

hi,

tried to backup lantana rc2.
after successful encoding the rebuild keeps hanging at the same point.
at least I tried it 2 times.
the programm is not responding. by the way: in taskmanager - applications I see two rebuilder tasks ?!
I'm running XP on an AMD system. I did 2 or 3 rebuilds with older versions before without any problems.

regards,

m.

edit: currently the process went over the last "hanging point"

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 13:41

Originally posted by mikegun
hi,

tried to backup lantana rc2.
after successful encoding the rebuild keeps hanging at the same point.
at least I tried it 2 times.
the programm is not responding. by the way: in taskmanager - applications I see two rebuilder tasks ?!
I'm running XP on an AMD system. I did 2 or 3 rebuilds with older versions before without any problems.

regards,

m.

edit: currently the process went over the last "hanging point" I've seen this happen when you bail out of CCE during an encode, I'm not sure what causes it yet. I'd suggest you kill any running DVD-RB processes and start again (as it looks like you have done).

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 13:42

@RB,

Thanks. So the offending CELL was in the middle of the VTS somewhere, not at the end. That should help.

mikegun

15th April 2004, 13:45

Originally posted by jdobbs
I've seen this happen when you bail out of CCE during an encode, I'm not sure what causes it yet. I'd suggest you kill any running DVD-RB processes and start again (as it looks like you have done).

the 3rd attempt was successful :-)

15th April 2004, 14:18

Originally posted by jdobbs
@RB,

Thanks. So the offending CELL was in the middle of the VTS somewhere, not at the end. That should help.
Yes, exactly.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 14:55

@RB

Is there any chance the next cell after the one that failed has a picture_structure other than FRAME?

Tognar

15th April 2004, 15:09

1. DVD-RB Version 0.38
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: DVD-RB fails with a buffer overflow error #0004 during the rebuild phase when backing up Noir disc 5 (NTSC region 1). It just so happens disc 5 was the one I was on when I decided to try DVD-RB. :) I don't yet know if it fails on any of the other discs, I will try another one soon to see. It fails while processing VTS_06 rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1. The progress bar moves all the way to the right on that file (V06000000001001.M2V) before showing the error. The program then exists after I click ok (pops up a process must abort dialog first) so unfortunately I can not use the copy status to clipboard option. Here's the VTS:

Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)
Audio 2: English (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x81)
SubPicture 1: English (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x20)
SubPicture 2: English (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x21)

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:09:38.16 / 30 fps] (Programs: 7) (Cells: 7) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:30.21 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:30.21] [Frames: 2721] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 2] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:35.16 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:03:06.07] [Frames: 5587] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 3] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:00.21 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:06.28] [Frames: 7408] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 4] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:00.11 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:06:07.09] [Frames: 11019] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 1/ 5] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:00.11 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:08:07.20] [Frames: 14630] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 06] [V/C Id: 1/ 6] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:30.09 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:09:37.29] [Frames: 17339] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 07] [V/C Id: 1/ 7] : time: 00:00:00.16 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:09:38.15] [Frames: 17355] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]

And here's the AVS file for that clip:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\NOIR_5\REBUILD\D2VAVS\V06.D2V")
trim(0,2686)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
AudioDub(BlankClip())

As you can see, its not a still frame, it's definately using the correct MPEG2Dec3dg.dll, and decomb.dll is not being used. The AVS file plays back fine as well as the encoded M2V file.

Finally, thanks for putting in the time and effort to give such an awsome application to the community. :)

15th April 2004, 15:29

Originally posted by jdobbs
@RB

Is there any chance the next cell after the one that failed has a picture_structure other than FRAME?
Gotcha. Exactly, the pictures in V/C id: 7/1 are not FRAME, and the first picture is TOP_FIELD.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 15:35

@Tognar

As you can see, its not a still frame, it's definately using the correct MPEG2Dec3dg.dll, and decomb.dll is not being Error 0004 means I have run out of buffers in a routine that flushes remaining data (audio and subpictures) from the original DVD cell to the newer one. This just means you have a sh*tload of stuff after the final video frame. It is related to the STILL issue, even if it isn't a STILL.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 15:39

Originally posted by RB
Gotcha. Exactly, the pictures in V/C id: 7/1 are not FRAME, and the first picture is TOP_FIELD. Good. I'd looked at the code and that seemed to be the only way it could happen. As long as you have it, is there any way you could strip that cell (7/1) and send it to me? I think my handling of non-FRAME could be the source of some other issues as well -- and I just can't seem to find any non-FRAME sources to experiment with. I'll PM you.

GooglyBear

15th April 2004, 15:41

Originally posted by dancis
Gdiploadimage failed : 3 problem solved , i re-installed cce again and now it works fine.

:D

I get this too now.. the weirdest thing is I've done a succesful backup run on my new athlon64 system so i know it works.. I grabbed the latest v38 last night and soon as encode came, BAM! Hello new error i never encountered before..

i'm working with it remotely now but it still keeps happening, i've even reinstalled cce, kinda frustrating really but im thinking because i'm remote desktop'd to my home pc, something isnt being installed properly or uninstalled properly

current plan: go home later tonight, give up on it right now since i've already wrestled with this half of last night as well, re-install everything from scratch and see wtf is going on.. and try it again on the last succesful dvdrb build of course :( -sigh-

15th April 2004, 15:52

That error means GDI+ isn't installed and should happen only on Win9x AFAIK. Get the GDI+ runtime from MS: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bfc0b436-9015-43e2-81a3-54938b6f4614&DisplayLang=en

GooglyBear

15th April 2004, 15:57

Originally posted by RB
That error means GDI+ isn't installed and should happen only on Win9x AFAIK. Get the GDI+ runtime from MS: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bfc0b436-9015-43e2-81a3-54938b6f4614&DisplayLang=en

you're awesome! it's interesting that you mentioned this because I was thinking the recent windows critical updates may have had some effect on this thing, I'll take a look at this link, much appreciated

btw.. in case anyone didn't know -.- April 14 = doomsday for MS so update windows.. there's like 4-5-6 critical patches waiting for you :p

edit: screenshot of the error from last night btw.. I worked my way down since the error popped up fomr v38, I just worked my way down all the

15th April 2004, 16:15

For obvious reasons, you should immediately edit your post to remove that screenshot!

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 17:25

Man I got here too late. Now I just have to wonder what was in the screenshot.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 17:27

Do you think those gdi errors could be related to the little "folder" graphics I put on the buttons? I did it a couple of versions ago..

GooglyBear

15th April 2004, 17:55

Originally posted by jdobbs
Do you think those gdi errors could be related to the little "folder" graphics I put on the buttons? I did it a couple of versions ago..

..maybe

I can't verify for sure until i get home since my other computer has the old-archives of dvd rebuilder, the earliest one I have on my current beast PC is v31 and the last time i had a succesful backup on this beast is using v29

but hmm.. yeah i did notice those folder graphics :D just not sure why that would cause a problem, i'll work it out

15th April 2004, 19:09

Originally posted by jdobbs
Good. I'd looked at the code and that seemed to be the only way it could happen. As long as you have it, is there any way you could strip that cell (7/1) and send it to me?
I sent you email with a download location.

Joergen

15th April 2004, 19:12

Man I got here too late. Now I just have to wonder what was in the screenshot.

Don't worry, it was only kiddie p*rn, not w*rez (god forbid!!!) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Doom9

15th April 2004, 21:00

DVD-RB Version:v0.38
Encoder: CCE Basic & QuEnc 0.45
EclCCE: no
Bug: Runtime Error 5 during rebuilding of first cell in VTS3 (movie: MI-2 R1 edition).

I've rebuilt this movie using both CCE Basic and QuEnc as encoders. Everything worked out just fine using CCE, but during the rebuild phase I got this run-time error. Pressing OK closed down DVD-RB so I can't paste the status panel info. But it makes me wonder, is there any way to pick up the slack? After all, two of three steps were successfully executed. Either way, I'll keep the source files a while longer.

wmansir

15th April 2004, 21:35

Originally posted by Doom9
Pressing OK closed down DVD-RB so I can't paste the status panel info. But it makes me wonder, is there any way to pick up the slack? After all, two of three steps were successfully executed. Either way, I'll keep the source files a while longer.

If you look in your rebuilder.ini file (in the /D2VAVS folder) there is a "progress=" flag.

0= nothing done
1= Prepare step complete
2= Encode step complete

You might want to check out your .mpv files to make sure you didn't encounter any script or encoding errors. The ones with errors are usually small in size.

jorel

15th April 2004, 22:34

please:
when i download using the link
" you can get it here " ( http://forum.doom9.org/ )
in the first post of this thread i got the dvd-rbv035.zip
and not
" The latest version v0.38, 14 Apr 2004 " as posted!
it's correct?
i downloaded in 13 Apr 2004 the dvd-rbv035 version build in 12 Apr 2004!
the dvd-rbv035.zip now the link is the new 0.38 version?
:confused:

thanks in advance!
:)

i'm trying to post it at 10 minutes.the traffic is too high in the forum!

lab-one

15th April 2004, 22:36

Clear your browsers cache or use Internet Explorer.

jorel

15th April 2004, 22:42

Originally posted by lab-one
Clear your browsers cache or use Internet Explorer.

works perfect using ie (well, ie working perfect is not normal, right? ) :p

thank you lab-one!
:)

lab-one

15th April 2004, 22:43

haha...I dont know, I sorta like IE...

Patdumpsite

16th April 2004, 07:19

Originally posted by Doom9
DVD-RB Version:v0.38
Encoder: CCE Basic & QuEnc 0.45
EclCCE: no
Bug: Runtime Error 5 during rebuilding of first cell in VTS3 (movie: MI-2 R1 edition).

DVD-RB Version: v0.39
Encoder: QuEnc 0.45
EclCCE: no
Bug: Runtime Error 5 during rebuilding of first cell in VTS3
Movie: Matrix Revolutions

I have been getting the same error since v0.31. I have yet to have a successful build (also tried to back-up "Alien"). I always get runtime error 5 during the rebuild process.

I have scanned through this bug thread and noted 3-4 others with the same issue, but if any solutions were offered I missed them.

I have been waiting 5 days to say this: Thanks to jdobbs for the work he's been putting in on this program.

luphy

16th April 2004, 07:47

Just a random thought and some questions - I wonder if people who are having problems with stuttering or motion blur are using certain "modified" versions of CCE SP (not basic).

I've never used CCE or the eclCCE - but am I correct in assuming that eclCCE removes the logo placed by the trial versions?

Addendum: I read that the trial versions do not support the advanced option to change the timecode (or something to that nature)....is that true, and does DVDRB ever use that advanced option?

wmansir

16th April 2004, 07:57

Originally posted by luphy
Just a random thought and some questions - I wonder if people who are having problems with stuttering or motion blur are using certain "modified" versions of CCE SP (not basic).

I've never used CCE or the eclCCE - but am I correct in assuming that eclCCE removes the logo placed by the trial versions?

No it does not. That would be illegal. Check the stickie in the CCE forum for instructions on how to remove the logo ;)

robot1

16th April 2004, 07:58

No EclCCE isn't a crack.
It simply allows command line input to cce2.5 and allows to open and save ecls to the trial version.
The watemark isn't removed.

16th April 2004, 08:12

DVD-RB Version: v0.38
Encoder: CCE-SP 2.67.00.23
EclCCE: yes
Bug: No subtitles in standalone player
Movie: Donnie Darko R2 PAL

Actually, first time I got to try a DVD-RB backup in my standalone (JVC XV-S300BK). I removed all audio (including DTS) from main movie, just left the German AC3 6ch. I don't see any stutter/jerkiness at all, not at chapter points and not during normal playback. FF/RW, chapter skip, time jump, everything works perfect.

The only problem is, the player won't display any subtitles. I can turn them all on (there are 6 total), but they never show up. The funny thing is the subtitles work fine in a software player (WinDVD 5).

andal1208

16th April 2004, 08:34

Bugreport DVD-RB V0.38 using CCE V2.5.
I used the advanced AVS-Option "Resize to half D1", only for part of the DVD.
The AVS-Files are correctly generated.
The ECL file is generated wrongly. It has the wrong size values (352 instead of 720) in the parts which where not selected to be made D1.
This causes CCE to fail.

Thanks for this great tool anyway,
Andal

16th April 2004, 12:22

Originally posted by jdobbs
Do you think those gdi errors could be related to the little "folder" graphics I put on the buttons? I did it a couple of versions ago..
No, I don't think so. The GdipLoadFromFile error message is popped up by CCE, not DVD-RB :) Somehow CCE-SP 2.67 seems to require the MS GDI+ runtime. It's there by default in XP, not sure about W2K. Win9x users definitely need to download the GDI+ runtime from MS.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 12:30

Originally posted by andal1208
Bugreport DVD-RB V0.38 using CCE V2.5.
I used the advanced AVS-Option "Resize to half D1", only for part of the DVD.
The AVS-Files are correctly generated.
The ECL file is generated wrongly. It has the wrong size values (352 instead of 720) in the parts which where not selected to be made D1.
This causes CCE to fail.

Thanks for this great tool anyway,
Andal I just looked through and found the source of that bug. It was using the state of the flag for the last VTS processed in creating the entire ECL. Thanks for pointing that out! The fix will be included in v0.40.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 14:37

Originally posted by Doom9
DVD-RB Version:v0.38
Encoder: CCE Basic & QuEnc 0.45
EclCCE: no
Bug: Runtime Error 5 during rebuilding of first cell in VTS3 (movie: MI-2 R1 edition).

I've rebuilt this movie using both CCE Basic and QuEnc as encoders. Everything worked out just fine using CCE, but during the rebuild phase I got this run-time error. Pressing OK closed down DVD-RB so I can't paste the status panel info. But it makes me wonder, is there any way to pick up the slack? After all, two of three steps were successfully executed. Either way, I'll keep the source files a while longer. This is caused (in my attempt to repeat it) by what is an apparent problem with QuEnc. It doesn't seem to be able to encode single frames. I've repeated the problem and it doesn't even work if I try to encode the AVS external to DVD-RB. I haven't repeated it in CCE, but I suspect it is at the same line of code and I'm looking at what might happen similarly. I am investigating possibly just writing single frames as-is and using them in the rebuild -- you really don't get any space gain on those anyway.

If you have a job that has completed Phases I and II, you can drop out of one-click mode and do the last phase independently. But very possibly the source of the problem may have been something that was done in phase II (like this one).

boombastic

16th April 2004, 15:51

Version 0.39,Rejig,EclCCE:no
I succesfully completed the first two pass in one click mode but during the third pass,at end of the VTS01.vob,i get :"err of runtime 75:error of access to the address/file"(transleted from italian...).I get the same error if i make the pass manually.In the .ini file the process flag is 2.
The source is an image created with DVD Decrypter and mounted with Nero Image Drive,i'm going to try daemon tools.

philos31

16th April 2004, 16:10

I had a DVD with Runtime error 9 at the beginning of the first step.

I can confirm that this problem is gone, and it is re-encoding as we speak!

Great work....

boombastic

16th April 2004, 16:18

The same with Darmon tools and previous version of the program(0.36a)

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 16:34

Originally posted by boombastic
The same with Darmon tools and previous version of the program(0.36a) See what happens if you just use DVD Decrypter and download the DVD into a directory.

SAPSTAR

16th April 2004, 16:51

Originally posted by boombastic
Version 0.39,Rejig,EclCCE:no
I succesfully completed the first two pass in one click mode but during the third pass,at end of the VTS01.vob,i get :"err of runtime 75:error of access to the address/file"(transleted from italian...).I get the same error if i make the pass manually.In the .ini file the process flag is 2.
The source is an image created with DVD Decrypter and mounted with Nero Image Drive,i'm going to try daemon tools.

@jdobbs : it seems to be the same error than me....My source is also a DVDDecrypter mounted with Alcohol 120% Virtual Drive (french version)

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 17:16

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
@jdobbs : it seems to be the same error than me....My source is also a DVDDecrypter mounted with Alcohol 120% Virtual Drive (french version) Sorry... I meant a source that was put onto hard drive in DVD-Decrypter's file mode. That way I can know whether it is the drive-emulating program or DVD-RB that is the root of the problem.

Axlemar

16th April 2004, 17:46

You might try extracting the contents from the iso and checking to see if they are set to read-only. Sometimes having the dvd files on read-only interferes with dvd-rb so extract them and remove read-only and try to use the files in a folder.

DDogg

16th April 2004, 17:50

Just to mention, I use ISO created by DVDDecrypter mounted in Alcohol exclusively with DVD-RB. All standard settings except I do have RMPS checked in the emulation options. Not that [it] should make any difference, AFAIK. Never have a problem anymore (so far).

FYI: There is a fairly new updated version of daemon tools out.

SAPSTAR

16th April 2004, 18:14

Originally posted by jdobbs
Sorry... I meant a source that was put onto hard drive in DVD-Decrypter's file mode. That way I can know whether it is the drive-emulating program or DVD-RB that is the root of the problem.

I did it, and it's working....There must be an operation attempted by DVD-RB which is not supported by the Alcohol 120% Virtual drive (write operation ???)

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 18:32

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
I did it, and it's working....There must be an operation attempted by DVD-RB which is not supported by the Alcohol 120% Virtual drive (write operation ???) DVD-RB never tries to perform any type of write operation on the source path... As DDogg pointed out it works for some people. I'm not sure what causes this but I am fairly sure "it ain't my code."

GooglyBear

16th April 2004, 18:33

hey guys.. I have a question.. I've usually done 1clicks before and in doing the manual 3-step process.. as I understand the phases are
phase 1: prepare
phase 2: encode
phase 3: rebuild

..what is REMERGE? After I click Rebuild and phaseIII rebuild finishes succesfully.. that button becomes REMERGE.. should I click on that again?

sigh.. behold my n00b questions, whee! I only ask because rebuild finishes just fine and I even get the PhaseIII message and it says Done.. but if I click on REMERGE and let it do its thang.. I get the 'runtime error 6 overflow' bug

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 18:38

Originally posted by GooglyBear
hey guys.. I have a question.. I've usually done 1clicks before and in doing the manual 3-step process.. as I understand the phases are
phase 1: prepare
phase 2: encode
phase 3: rebuild

..what is REMERGE? After I click Rebuild and phaseIII rebuild finishes succesfully.. that button becomes REMERGE.. should I click on that again?

sigh.. behold my n00b questions, whee! I only ask because rebuild finishes just fine and I even get the PhaseIII message and it says Done.. but if I click on REMERGE and let it do its thang.. I get the 'runtime error 6 overflow' bug Ha! No difference. I used the term "Remerge" a long time ago and it was still hanging around. Remerge = Rebuild.:D

Added: :confused: How can it work the first time and not the second?

GooglyBear

16th April 2004, 19:08

Originally posted by jdobbs
Ha! No difference. I used the term "Remerge" a long time ago and it was still hanging around. Remerge = Rebuild.:D

Added: :confused: How can it work the first time and not the second?

I wish knew why it fails remerge right after a rebuild my friend :( it's why i got confused as all hell.. the Runtime Error 6 overflow would happen only for "Remerge"

and as i understood it, rebuild was the last phase and I saw it finish succesfully but the remerge came up and I got thrown for a complete loop, hence.. posted

thanks for the reply :) this means the video_ts should be ready when i get home.. i'm working with my pc remotely so i can't do certain things like watch video.. otherwise i would've just tried playing it after rebuild ignoring the remerge thing

loosenut

16th April 2004, 19:14

Has anyone tried a 'Rebuilded' DVD-+R on a Philips standalone succesfully?
The stuttering problem is almost nonexistent now on a Sony and a JVC player, navigation works fine, but on a Philips, the backups just... play, at best. NO button works (during play). And after 10-15 minutes, sound gets out of sync. Pal or NTSC. On some NTSC DVDs, picture locks up immediately after start.
Same backups play OK on other standalones and, of course, a PC.

I understand that Philips-Marantz and clones standalones are quite picky, or might be that my particular player is too picky, but that problem should be taken care of, at some point.
Something to put at the bottom of the "to-do" list?

GooglyBear

16th April 2004, 19:47

Originally posted by loosenut
Has anyone tried a 'Rebuilded' DVD-+R on a Philips standalone succesfully?
The stuttering problem is almost nonexistent now on a Sony and a JVC player, navigation works fine, but on a Philips, the backups just... play, at best. NO button works (during play). And after 10-15 minutes, sound gets out of sync. Pal or NTSC. On some NTSC DVDs, picture locks up immediately after start.
Same backups play OK on other standalones and, of course, a PC.

I understand that Philips-Marantz and clones standalones are quite picky, or might be that my particular player is too picky, but that problem should be taken care of, at some point.
Something to put at the bottom of the "to-do" list?

the sad truth in a way and a reason i sometimes feel as if jdobbs is going to be trying to close pandora's box is that..

simply put: stuttering, pixelization, skipping, etc etc etc are often the result of BAD CHEAP MEDIA

sad but true.. aside from the early problems of dvd-rb, it's been pretty good and i thankfully have not experienced any of the other problems people are talking about.. thank gawd for ritek:devil:

jurij

16th April 2004, 19:53

Does dvd rebuilder support titles with seamless branching? like abyss where you can watch the original or extended version.

P.S. u looking to that italian spanish issue?

wmansir

16th April 2004, 19:56

The stuttering is not bad media. I'm using Ritek GO4. Plus I have about 30 movies from this same 50 pack of media already backed up and playing fine on the same player with Big3 (and a couple DVD-Shrink).

However, in loosenut's case it sounds like perhaps the player doesn't agree with the media. 1st, do other backups on the same media play on this standalone? 2nd, I'm wonder how the menu's play, because they don't get touched by DVD-RB?

Joergen

16th April 2004, 20:34

Media-stutter usually happens towards the end of the disc and menu items are most often the first items on the disc (written towards the inner circle of the disc).

I've had some lesser quality media recently that shows itself mainly as the player needing longer to seek to an item at the end of the disc or a quick stutter of a couple frames during play that doesnt recreate itself if you rewind over that spot and play again.

But chapter stutters and fieldorder flickers are not media related but software+source+player combinations.

dave88

16th April 2004, 21:04

Unfortunately I'm still getting a "0004" error code
the disk is "The Best of Abbott & Costello - Volume 1" it has quite a few stills. This is an the first flippy I've seen with almost 8 gigs on each side, I did not know this was possible.

dvd-rb v0.39
CCE v2.67 with eclcce v1.81

I'll be glad to try out the next release
Thanks!

Joergen

16th April 2004, 21:10

Dual-layer, dual-side disc.. wow that studio must like expensive production costs ;)

loosenut

16th April 2004, 21:17

Originally posted by wmansir
The stuttering is not bad media. I'm using Ritek GO4. Plus I have about 30 movies from this same 50 pack of media already backed up and playing fine on the same player with Big3 (and a couple DVD-Shrink).

However, in loosenut's case it sounds like perhaps the player doesn't agree with the media. 1st, do other backups on the same media play on this standalone? 2nd, I'm wonder how the menu's play, because they don't get touched by DVD-RB?

The media is Tayo Yuden, spindle of 100. On my second 100 spindle, not one coaster (well, apart from some boo-boos I made by mistake :)
Backups with DVDShrink, Instant Copy or DVD2DVDR (with CCE), even burned to the rim, play A-OK on every standalone, including the Philips. So I guess the 'media' issue is not an issue here :)
With Rebuilder backups, menus play ok,(back and forth to audio menu, subtitles, specials etc) but once the movie starts,(play button) it plays with the problems mentioned above. On occasions, I can't even stop it!!! (eject button on standalone)
As I said, exact same backups play perfectly OK on Sony and JVC.

The Philips is EXTREMELY slack when it comes to media quality (even Princos play OK :) BUT also EXTREMELY picky to absolutely correct DVD structure.

philos31

16th April 2004, 21:19

@JDobbs:

The disc witch I tried to encode (gave me an runtimererror before)
came out very strange.
(ver 0.39)
The ouput was all garbled, like it gave an avisynth error, stripes in all sorts of color.

I could see that it was the movie because it fades in and out at the right moments.
(Opening 1 of the AVS files, gave me picture, no error's)
What I did was vts1 (main movie 16:9) encode just the way it is, and VTS2 (the extra's 4:3) on Half D1.

I encoded it again without Half D1 on the extra's, and now it comes out OK.

What I think is strange, is that the VTS2 (half D1) option, seems to result in a garbled picture on the VTS1...

RB: 0.39
Eclcce: NO
CCE Version: Basic
Deinterlace: NO

wmansir

16th April 2004, 22:10

@philos31:

Does it look like the picture posted in this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74333

I don't think Jdobbs last comment in the thread is correct though, it's not a exactly a problem with the script itself, but a CCE + AviSynth + certian scripts/sources error. I haven't pinpointed exactly where it comes from yet. I did some searching in the CCE forum, but didn't find anything.

philos31

16th April 2004, 22:30

Originally posted by wmansir
@philos31:

Does it look like the picture posted in this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74333

I don't think Jdobbs last comment in the thread is correct though, it's not a exactly a problem with the script itself, but a CCE + AviSynth + certian scripts/sources error. I haven't pinpointed exactly where it comes from yet. I did some searching in the CCE forum, but didn't find anything.

Yep, it looks like this, but this picture could realy be an avisynth error. (Red color)
My picture is like this, but full screen... and it changes color, fades in and out, just like the real movie does.

I saved all AVS's from the 1st and 2nd encode, so I will do some seaching myself. But that will be tomorow, the fastes PC (where I do the encodes, and he play's UT2004) is in my son's room, and he has to sleep :)

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 22:44

wmansir

16th April 2004, 23:04

I'll continue this discussion in that thread. (with new screenshots!)

EDIT: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74333

since it's a new page, I put a link.

DDogg

17th April 2004, 05:15

V 0.40 - Well I knew I should not have said my Alcohol ISOs worked fine. Just got the "Run-time '75':Path/file access error" on rebuild using rejig.

/ADD: definitely something to do with dvd-rb and a mounted ISO. I used winrar to extract the ISO to a directory and changed the source path in DVD-RB to it. Rebuilding is proceeding well now.

/Add: Nah, didn't work. "buffer overflow 0003"

I've verified no other DVD software I have has any problem with this mounted ISO except dvd-rb.

P3gasus

17th April 2004, 11:22

Originally posted by DDogg

/ADD: definitely something to do with dvd-rb and a mounted ISO. I used winrar to extract the ISO to a directory and changed the source path in DVD-RB to it. Rebuilding is proceeding well now.

Be careful while extracting isos with winrar!. I used it in the past to extract iso images and sometimes files get corrupted!
Bye

idbirch2

17th April 2004, 12:56

1. DVD-R Version: 0.40
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Y - 1.8b
4. Bug encountered:

Backing up PAL (UK) version of Tomb Raider 2 - encoding went fine - lasted more than 400 mins but then got "DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort." followed by "Stop statement encountered". The same thing happened with 0.39.

This occurred at 96.1% of rebuilding. The top progress bar had just reached 100% for "Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID:1 CELLID:7".

If I look in the VIDEO_TS folder there's only the last VOB file missing - VTS_12_1.VOB so I assume this is causing the problem. Heres the main part of the VTS_12_0.IFO file:

PGC_1 (program chain) : [Title(TTN0 : 1] [00:03:35:00 / 25fps] (Programs:2) (Cells:2) (uses VOB-IDs:1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/1] :time: 00:03:34:14 / 25fps [Pos 00:03:34:14] [Frames:5364]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/2] :time: 00:00:00:11 / 25fps [Pos 00:03:35:00] [Frames:5375]

I don't know if this is the bit of the IFO you need so if not, let me know and I'll post the bit you need. Thanks for all your hard work so far jdobbs - this is the app the community has been waiting for.

quantum

17th April 2004, 13:18

Originally posted by DDogg
V 0.40 - Well I knew I should not have said my Alcohol ISOs worked fine. Just got the "Run-time '75':Path/file access error" on rebuild using rejig. I was getting this with daemon tools mounted ISO's (but lately I'm ripping in file mode so no errors).

@jdobbs: while you know you're not trying to write anything to the source directory, it sounds like you might have an open command that is wanting a write lock even though you use it for reading. There are a lot of options for that command. I'm pretty sure this doesn't happen every time so it must be code outside the usual loops.

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 13:20

Originally posted by idbirch2
1. DVD-R Version: 0.40
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Y - 1.8b
4. Bug encountered:

Backing up PAL (UK) version of Tomb Raider 2 - encoding went fine - lasted more than 400 mins but then got "DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort." followed by "Stop statement encountered". The same thing happened with 0.39.

This occurred at 96.1% of rebuilding. The top progress bar had just reached 100% for "Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID:1 CELLID:7".

If I look in the VIDEO_TS folder there's only the last VOB file missing - VTS_12_1.VOB so I assume this is causing the problem. Heres the main part of the VTS_12_0.IFO file:

PGC_1 (program chain) : [Title(TTN0 : 1] [00:03:35:00 / 25fps] (Programs:2) (Cells:2) (uses VOB-IDs:1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/1] :time: 00:03:34:14 / 25fps [Pos 00:03:34:14] [Frames:5364]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/2] :time: 00:00:00:11 / 25fps [Pos 00:03:35:00] [Frames:5375]

I don't know if this is the bit of the IFO you need so if not, let me know and I'll post the bit you need. Thanks for all your hard work so far jdobbs - this is the app the community has been waiting for. That couldn't be the right VTS -- it only has two cells: V/C 1/1 & 2 -- the error occurred on V/C 1/7.

You should be able to tell which VTS caused the problem by looking at the name in upper "Progress" bar. The first 3 letters of the name("Vnn") represent the VTS.

I found a bug that I've fixed for 0.41 related to this. It would be interesting to know if the offending VTS starts off with an SCR that is non-zero. Are you familiar with VOBEDIT?

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 13:28

Originally posted by quantum
I was getting this with daemon tools mounted ISO's (but lately I'm ripping in file mode so no errors).

@jdobbs: while you know you're not trying to write anything to the source directory, it sounds like you might have an open command that is wanting a write lock even though you use it for reading. There are a lot of options for that command. I'm pretty sure this doesn't happen every time so it must be code outside the usual loops. I'll check. But I kinda' feel like I'm debugging someone else's software. If this were truly my code I tend to believe it would always fail.

idbirch2

17th April 2004, 13:31

You should be able to tell which VTS caused the problem by looking at the name in upper "Progress" bar. The first 3 letters of the name("Vnn") represent the VTS.

Ah OK sorry. I've deleted the folder now and I've got to go to work in a minute but I'll do it again tomorrow and post back with the 'Vnn' number.

I have used VOBedit before but only to see what it does! If you're after some specific info from it about the problem VTS I'm more than happy to get it for you but you'll need to give me a brief explanation of how to get the info.

HarryM

17th April 2004, 14:15

Originally posted by jdobbs
You can set the target size with "TargetSectors=" in the REBUILDER.INI file. Or you can enter it for individual encoders with "CCETargetSectors=", "ReJigTargetSectors=", and "QuEncTargetSectors=" the value represents the number of 2KB sectors to aim for and can be set up to 2297888. Be careful, though because encoding isn't 100% accurate and you can oversize easily.

But if you are within 50-60MB you are within 1.3% of the maximum size for the disc.

Thanks for information!
What is default value of "TargetSectors" (actually used by DVD-RB), please?

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 14:33

Originally posted by HarryM
Thanks for information!
What is default value of "TargetSectors" (actually used by DVD-RB), please? 2236400 is the default value. Be careful to change it back (or just delete it from the INI) after you've done that disc or you may undersize on future ones.

DDogg

17th April 2004, 14:54

Originally posted by jdobbs -
I'll check. But I kinda' feel like I'm debugging someone else's software. If this were truly my code I tend to believe it would always fail.I realize this is a thorny issue and am more than willing to try and help you find what software is causing the problem as I have a replicatable. Honestly, I think it is dvd-rb because no other software seems to have any problems, but I do understand that there is no other software like yours :)

Supporting ISO is very important for several reasons, one is the obvious need to keep the DVD structure intact, but another one is for the technical support of dvd-rb down the road. People can't really mess around with the structure of an ISO created from the original DVD so you will know a standard source was given to dvd-rd. This should allow you to duplicate the scenario when chasing critters.

So my question is how can I help you pinpoint what is causing this issue? I have a replicatable that only errors when a mounted ISO is used as source. Filemode source works OK.

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 15:00

Let me see if there might be some circumstance where something strange happens... I just search through my code for every instance that accesses the source directory.

DDogg

17th April 2004, 15:19

I think I have a good replicatable. Last night I started fresh with filemode source. It finished ok. This morning I renamed the video_ts dir and changed source to my ISO and restarted the rebuild. Got the same error again. It errors right after:

Phase III, REBUILD started at 09:15:52
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...

Here is what is in the dir:

Volume in drive D is Data
Volume Serial Number is 14B3-B9AB

Directory of D:\WUTemp\VIDEO_TS

04/17/2004 09:18 AM <DIR> .
04/17/2004 09:18 AM <DIR> ..
04/17/2004 09:18 AM 0 dir.txt
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 12,288 VIDEO_TS.BUP
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 12,288 VIDEO_TS.IFO
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 102,400 VTS_01_0.BUP
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 102,400 VTS_01_0.IFO
04/17/2004 09:16 AM 576,479,232 VTS_01_0.VOB
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 18,432 VTS_02_0.BUP
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 18,432 VTS_02_0.IFO
04/17/2004 09:16 AM 0 VTS_02_0.VOB
9 File(s) 576,745,472 bytes
2 Dir(s) 22,388,232,192 bytes free

Oldeman

17th April 2004, 15:31

version .40
encoder ReJig
Error 9 in Rebuild at Seg 24 vts 17 cell id 1
dynamic bit rate
run minimized

I have remade several other DVDs sucessfully with DVD-RB.

But Tora Tora Tora always fails at the same place in rebuild. There are a couple of odd PGCs in the main movie multi-angle? or interleaving? I'm not sure what they do...

I think its failing at the INTERMISSION frame
or just before it.
I'm gonna use DvdReMake to reemove the inrtermission and run it again...

[item]
title=V07002400017001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07002400017001.vaf
aud_file=D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07002400017001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=480
frame_rate_idx=1
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=3784
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=1
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=3
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=1
alternate_scan=0
intra_dc_prec=2
encode_mode=0
vmode=2
fast_mode=0
quality_prec=37
vid_file0=D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07002400017001.m2v
vid_file1=D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07002400017001.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
video_type=4
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=9000
vbr_bias=10
vbr_pass=1
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

[file]
name=D:\DVD_RB_WORK\D2VAVS\V07002400017001.avs
frame_first=0
frame_last=8304
encode_first=0
encode_last=8304

e1miran

17th April 2004, 15:36

1. DVD-R Version: 0.39
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: Full back-up of LOTR - Fullscreen (R1)Disc 1. The whole process was performed without a hitch. However, the resulting DVD files total 4.56 GB (4,903,780,352 bytes). Nero, of course, says it's too big. I used default settings and Dynamic Cell Bit-rate. One note, I paused/stopped it about 43% into encoding. It seemed to return to where it left off fine.

Is it possible to overburn w/Nero?

Sir Didymus

17th April 2004, 15:55

Originally posted by DDogg
I think I have a good replicatable. Last night I started fresh with filemode source. It finished ok. This morning I renamed the video_ts dir and changed source to my ISO and restarted the rebuild. Got the same error again. It errors right after:

Phase III, REBUILD started at 09:15:52
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...

Here is what is in the dir:

Volume in drive D is Data
Volume Serial Number is 14B3-B9AB

Directory of D:\WUTemp\VIDEO_TS

04/17/2004 09:18 AM <DIR> .
04/17/2004 09:18 AM <DIR> ..
04/17/2004 09:18 AM 0 dir.txt
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 12,288 VIDEO_TS.BUP
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 12,288 VIDEO_TS.IFO
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 102,400 VTS_01_0.BUP
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 102,400 VTS_01_0.IFO
04/17/2004 09:16 AM 576,479,232 VTS_01_0.VOB
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 18,432 VTS_02_0.BUP
04/17/2004 09:15 AM 18,432 VTS_02_0.IFO
04/17/2004 09:16 AM 0 VTS_02_0.VOB
9 File(s) 576,745,472 bytes
2 Dir(s) 22,388,232,192 bytes free

Could the trouble be related to the 0 sized files ?
I know it's a different situation, and please, take it as an example, but also Nero Burning complains a lot if you try to compile a DVD session with 0 sized files...

DDogg

17th April 2004, 17:00

Like you said, it is a different situation. The dir.txt is where I created a directory listing via CMDline: dir > dir.txt and would never be in a normal directory. The reason the other file is 0 is because rebuilder failed at that point.

Joergen

19th April 2004, 02:08

jdobbs: I noticed with 0.41 that if you stop/pause .. close dvd-rb and restart it, hit encode, the audio streams you removed in the original process are again ticked. But I guess that doesnt matter since the process files are not changed.. but it can confuse people. :)

jdobbs

19th April 2004, 04:25

Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: I noticed with 0.41 that if you stop/pause .. close dvd-rb and restart it, hit encode, the audio streams you removed in the original process are again ticked. But I guess that doesnt matter since the process files are not changed.. but it can confuse people. :) Actually it will make a difference -- I'm glad you brought it up. If you resumed and finished the encodes followed by a REBUILD (without re-checking the ones you had originally) you will probably go over size. I'll have to look at that and save the selected audio in the rebuilder.inf file for the project.

Thanks.

VampHuntD

19th April 2004, 09:27

Hey Jdobbs!
I have some good news and some bad news, however the bad news is more likely my error now. Perhaps the other xbox user can confirm that. So using These:

DVD-RB .41
CCE 2.67.03
ECL 1.7

The xbox stutter after chapter points has lessened significantly. Before it use to freeze frame and stay for about a minute, now it's pretty much only noticible if I am actually watching the movie. Bad news is, it's still there. Once again I am playing this on an xbox and on the PS2 it works fine as does PC drive. I don't have a "real" player to test these on just yet.

Next question that I hope someone can answer. First part, how essential is the decomb.dll? I noticed that I don't have one set in RB and it doesn't seem like I have that file in avisyth's folder. Next, if it is essential, could that be causing the minor stutter I have going? And lastly, where can I get this file if it is essential (or better) to have and especially if it could be causing the stutter. Thanks Jdobbs for your hard work and the kick ass app!

wmansir

19th April 2004, 10:58

Originally posted by VampHuntD
Next question that I hope someone can answer. First part, how essential is the decomb.dll? I noticed that I don't have one set in RB and it doesn't seem like I have that file in avisyth's folder. Next, if it is essential, could that be causing the minor stutter I have going? And lastly, where can I get this file if it is essential (or better) to have and especially if it could be causing the stutter. Thanks Jdobbs for your hard work and the kick ass app!
It is only needed if you activate Deinterlacing in the AVS options menu. This should not be needed unless you plan on watching your backups on a PC or other progressive display (not at TV). If you need it there is a link in the Install, Setup and Usage stickie.

19th April 2004, 12:13

Originally posted by RB
DVD-RB Version: v0.38
Encoder: CCE-SP 2.67.00.23
EclCCE: yes
Bug: No subtitles in standalone player
Movie: Donnie Darko R2 PAL

...

The only problem is, the player won't display any subtitles. I can turn them all on (there are 6 total), but they never show up. The funny thing is the subtitles work fine in a software player (WinDVD 5).
Hmm, am I the only one having problems with subs in a standalone? Just trying again with v0.41.

Fr4nz

19th April 2004, 12:15

Subs in Matrix Revolutions here worked on standalone players.

jdobbs

19th April 2004, 12:52

Originally posted by VampHuntD
Hey Jdobbs!
I have some good news and some bad news, however the bad news is more likely my error now. Perhaps the other xbox user can confirm that. So using These:

DVD-RB .41
CCE 2.67.03
ECL 1.7

The xbox stutter after chapter points has lessened significantly. Before it use to freeze frame and stay for about a minute, now it's pretty much only noticible if I am actually watching the movie. Bad news is, it's still there. Once again I am playing this on an xbox and on the PS2 it works fine as does PC drive. I don't have a "real" player to test these on just yet.

Next question that I hope someone can answer. First part, how essential is the decomb.dll? I noticed that I don't have one set in RB and it doesn't seem like I have that file in avisyth's folder. Next, if it is essential, could that be causing the minor stutter I have going? And lastly, where can I get this file if it is essential (or better) to have and especially if it could be causing the stutter. Thanks Jdobbs for your hard work and the kick ass app! Are you NTSC or PAL?

CeanD

19th April 2004, 17:19

0.40
CCE 2.67.00.11
ECL 1.8

Movie I'm trying is : Any movie whatsoever, the error always comes up. (Swat currently)

Runtime 9, happens as DVD-RB attempts to rebuild the main movie file.

jdobbs

19th April 2004, 17:54

Originally posted by CeanD
0.40
CCE 2.67.00.11
ECL 1.8

Movie I'm trying is : Any movie whatsoever, the error always comes up. (Swat currently)

Runtime 9, happens as DVD-RB attempts to rebuild the main movie file. Go to three step mode and do only the PREPARE. Then go into the D2VAVS directory and try to play some of the AVS files with Microsoft Media Player. If you are getting this error on every disc you try, you probably are misconfigured.

VampHuntD

19th April 2004, 18:25

Jdobbs, yeah that's kimda important eh? I'm NTSC. Thanks for the clue in as well wmansir, could that possibly be what's going in? I'm testing with the movie My Best Friends Wedding Special Edition. (If anyone has a smaller dvd, let me know, I run this at a 2 pass CCE just to test out so less dvd, faster test.)

CeanD

19th April 2004, 20:30

Originally posted by jdobbs
Go to three step mode and do only the PREPARE. Then go into the D2VAVS directory and try to play some of the AVS files with Microsoft Media Player. If you are getting this error on every disc you try, you probably are misconfigured.

Doing that now. Now, if they don't play, what configurations should I look at?

Otherwise, what if they do play?

EDIT: They play just fine.

SAPSTAR

19th April 2004, 20:41

Originally posted by CeanD
Doing that now. Now, if they don't play, what configurations should I look at?

Otherwise, what if they do play?

The common errors are related to the avisynth plugins, copy your plugins in the avisynth plugins directory then just update the following registry entries :

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\AviSynth]
"plugindir"="C:\\Program Files\\AviSynth 2.5\\plugins"
"plugindir2_5"="C:\\Program Files\\AviSynth 2.5\\plugins"

If they play it's something else ;)

(Did you check that for every avs file there is a m2v file after the encode phase ?)

CeanD

19th April 2004, 21:32

Moved on to encodeing, I'll let you know the results.

joaoccc

19th April 2004, 21:43

Hello,

i'm trying to make a copy of terminator 2, pal and in the rebuild it give me error 0003, buffer overflow.

DVD-RB - 0.41

jdobbs

20th April 2004, 01:37

Originally posted by VampHuntD
Jdobbs, yeah that's kimda important eh? I'm NTSC. Thanks for the clue in as well wmansir, could that possibly be what's going in? I'm testing with the movie My Best Friends Wedding Special Edition. (If anyone has a smaller dvd, let me know, I run this at a 2 pass CCE just to test out so less dvd, faster test.) Try version 0.42, just posted. I found another "stutter" error that could happen randomly throughout any disc.

lab-one

20th April 2004, 01:40

did you mean .42?

edit uno: I also noticed that under AVS Options>Advanced (expert) Options>the disable, resize and convert say apply to all rather than giving the options of selecting a specific VTS.

edit dos: I don't have a source selected, so maybe the above is me being dense....

edit tres: maybe I am really dense but the advanced cce settings are still vbr_bias: 10, and quality_prec: 24....

jdobbs

20th April 2004, 01:58

Originally posted by lab-one
did you mean .42?

edit uno: I also noticed that under AVS Options>Advanced (expert) Options>the disable, resize and convert say apply to all rather than giving the options of selecting a specific VTS.

edit dos: I don't have a source selected, so maybe the above is me being dense....

edit tres: maybe I am really dense but the advanced cce settings are still vbr_bias: 10, and quality_prec: 24.... Yep... typo... I just fixed it.

second question: Yep. Only the applicable sets are included in the menu... so if you haven't selected one there are none.

third: If you have ever changed the values then they are stored in your INI files at your latest settings. I've changed only the default... not your individual settings.

lab-one

20th April 2004, 02:00

ok. ignore everything i said :D

Joergen

20th April 2004, 02:28

RB34 and RB42 ... hmm reminds me of some kickass machineguns of old. ;)

wgw

20th April 2004, 04:07

Originally posted by CeanD
0.40
CCE 2.67.00.11
ECL 1.8

Movie I'm trying is : Any movie whatsoever, the error always comes up. (Swat currently)

Runtime 9, happens as DVD-RB attempts to rebuild the main movie file.

I also received the run-time error 9 about 50% through the rebuild. I am using RB v0.41, CCE 2.67.00.11, AVS 2.5, and ECL 1.81. My source is a DVD-Decrypter ISO of NTSC Fawlty Towers episode disc 1 mounted in Daemon Tools. I extracted the VOBs with DVD-Decrypter in file mode and used this as the source for DVD-RB. Process and Encode worked fine. Then the error occured halfway through Rebuild.

On my second attempt, I loaded the ISO into DVDShrink, set custom output size to 9.4GB, and created a backup at an automatic setting of 100% (no compression). Then I used the output from DVDShrink as the source for DVD-RB. This worked perfectly. There were no errors during rebuild.

Sounds like DVDShrink may have corrected a small error in the original DVD structure. Also, the output from DVDShrink was 4096 bytes smaller than the file mode rip with DVD-Decrypter. The size difference is in VTS_01_0.VOB. DVDShrink also completly removed VTS_02_0.VOB which is 0KB and apparently not needed. VTS_02 is the trailers and they play fine in PowerDVD and IFOEdit. The entire disc plays fine on the computer. I have not burned it yet, but it also passed the file check in RecordNow Max.

SkoalWintergreen

20th April 2004, 05:30

I also got the #0004 error, this is the first time I have gotten it. I am backing up Chapplle's Show: Season 1, Disc 1; Using CCE 2.50 (w/ eclcce). I've tried both RB .41 and .42 and I get the same #0004 error on the same cell with both of them.

And as always, even though we all know, great program, it's a pleasure to use.

20th April 2004, 12:41

Originally posted by RB
Hmm, am I the only one having problems with subs in a standalone? Just trying again with v0.41.
OK, now processed two other (PAL) DVDs with 0.41 and again, subtitles work only in a software player, not in my standalone (JVC XV-S300BK).

Could some others (maybe it just happens with PAL?) please try to verify this?

Also, v0.41 didn't remove the layer break from the IFO. jdobbs, what algorithm do you use to identify the true dual-layer break?

nwg

20th April 2004, 12:46

I am only doing PAL DVD's (last one was Master and Commander). Subtitles have been working on all of them.

20th April 2004, 13:01

Hmm, OK, I'll do some research.

Alex_Rowe

20th April 2004, 15:21

Hi,

I´d like to report an error:

DVD-RB Version: v0.42
Encoder: CCE-SP 2.67.00.23
EclCCE: yes
Bug: Rebuild Phase 3 Error: Subcript Out Of Range
Movie: Robotech Remasters Vol.1

This Tittle has 6 chapters of Robotech, each one using 1 VTS.
I used Half D, APPLY TO ALL.

what could it be?

Thanks.

Oldeman

20th April 2004, 16:33

version: .42
encoder: ReJig
Error 63 bad record number? in prepare

movie: Schindlers List R1 side B

Side B encodes sucessfully in QuEnc with DVD-RB ver .41... works marginal(some audio dropouts) in Apex 1500, but B/W sections stutters/freezes in Toshiba 4900. Have no tried ver.42 in QuEnc yet due to processing time required.

CeanD

20th April 2004, 16:37

Originally posted by wgw
I also received the run-time error 9 about 50% through the rebuild. I am using RB v0.41, CCE 2.67.00.11, AVS 2.5, and ECL 1.81. My source is a DVD-Decrypter ISO of NTSC Fawlty Towers episode disc 1 mounted in Daemon Tools. I extracted the VOBs with DVD-Decrypter in file mode and used this as the source for DVD-RB. Process and Encode worked fine. Then the error occured halfway through Rebuild.

On my second attempt, I loaded the ISO into DVDShrink, set custom output size to 9.4GB, and created a backup at an automatic setting of 100% (no compression). Then I used the output from DVDShrink as the source for DVD-RB. This worked perfectly. There were no errors during rebuild.

Sounds like DVDShrink may have corrected a small error in the original DVD structure. Also, the output from DVDShrink was 4096 bytes smaller than the file mode rip with DVD-Decrypter. The size difference is in VTS_01_0.VOB. DVDShrink also completly removed VTS_02_0.VOB which is 0KB and apparently not needed. VTS_02 is the trailers and they play fine in PowerDVD and IFOEdit. The entire disc plays fine on the computer. I have not burned it yet, but it also passed the file check in RecordNow Max.

Excellent news! Trying this now.

CeanD

20th April 2004, 20:04

:( Still got it. Same point, on the rebuild.

EDIT: Downloaded .42, and switched to 3 click, just to do the rebuild, it gets this far:

http://www.ceand.com/images/dvdrb.jpg

And then the "Runtime 9, Subscript out of Range" error pops up. Always at the exact same moment.

EDIT2: This is what the corresponding section in Rebuilder.inf has to say about the above m2v

[V04000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=3735.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=9630
Last_Sector=92594
Reduction=48.6
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0

VampHuntD

21st April 2004, 01:18

To the god known as Jdobbs......... :o (Smiley singing praise)
OK so I just made a perfect backup of My Best Friend's Wedding Special Edition with the following:

DVD-RB .42
CCE 2.67
ECL 1.7

So far, no errors, everything running perfectly. For others, I didn't use decomb so yeah I dunno in what situation I should, but this wasn't one of them. Jdobbs, you freaking rule. That's about all I got right now. I'm looking forward to the "complex" version of RB. I'll be sure to keep testing with other films and see what I get!

jdobbs

21st April 2004, 02:13

Originally posted by VampHuntD
To the god known as Jdobbs......... :o (Smiley singing praise)
OK so I just made a perfect backup of My Best Friend's Wedding Special Edition with the following:

DVD-RB .42
CCE 2.67
ECL 1.7

So far, no errors, everything running perfectly. For others, I didn't use decomb so yeah I dunno in what situation I should, but this wasn't one of them. Jdobbs, you freaking rule. That's about all I got right now. I'm looking forward to the "complex" version of RB. I'll be sure to keep testing with other films and see what I get! Cool.

Joergen

21st April 2004, 02:50

On DVD-RB 0.42 I got my first #0004 error doing Kill Bill vol1 R2. Luckily it happens at 97.5% on VTS_3 (while rebuilding) which is the last to be processed and was so small I could copy the original to the rebuilt project and the size comes to 4.34GB.

Did Get VTS Sectors and tried in both software players no probs. The movie looked so damn fine (even with the 800MB extras) that I'd hate to waste it, so I'll "risk" a dvd-r (it will work though).

jdobbs: If you dont mind revealing it, what are these 0004 errors related to?

edit: burnt, tested on 3 standalones: no problemos.

jdobbs

21st April 2004, 03:39

Originally posted by Joergen
On DVD-RB 0.42 I got my first #0004 error doing Kill Bill vol1 R2. Luckily it happens at 97.5% on VTS_3 (while rebuilding) which is the last to be processed and was so small I could copy the original to the rebuilt project and the size comes to 4.34GB.

Did Get VTS Sectors and tried in both software players no probs. The movie looked so damn fine (even with the 800MB extras) that I'd hate to waste it, so I'll "risk" a dvd-r (it will work though).

jdobbs: If you dont mind revealing it, what are these 0004 errors related to? It means there is a lot of audio and/or subpicture data at the end of a cell that has no accompanying video. I have some code that can create a buffer overflow as it is flushing these cells out to the end-of-cell. I just have to make sure the fix doesn't cause more problems than it corrects.

Joergen

21st April 2004, 03:50

Originally posted by jdobbs
It means there is a lot of audio and/or subpicture data at the end of a cell that has no accompanying video.

I was thinking it might have to do with audio processing since the vob that bombed out didnt have audio when you drag it into a player.

In any case, my first real error with a non-multiangle-weirdness disc ;) Not bad so far after about 10 discs.

A fix for it will surely be appreciated. Then again the occational error makes one appreciate a flawless backup even more :cool:

candsh

21st April 2004, 05:00

AMD 1400GHz
1 Gig RAM
RAID 0

CCE 2.67 (Basic)
RB .42
Master and Commander NTSC 7.54 Gig
Final Size 4.27Gig

Process froze 3 times during CCE encode but resumed after restart without problem. Picture excellent, no stutter on Pioneer DV-C36 in progressive playback. Did have definite "layer break" pause. Used all default settings and default installation procedures according to your instructions. I really think the freezing is my computer's problem. Shut down the network, antivirus and all other apps that I could and finished the encode with no other problems. Rebuild was smooth as silk and Nero had no complaints upoon loading for burn. Playback is through a Sony HD Video Projector (component/ RGB inputs) and projecting an 8' image.

Don't really know anything else to tell you but would kind of like to see the final size up in the 4.3's but no complaints at all about the end results.

Might add that I did not remove DTS and kept all English Audio

Tobytl

21st April 2004, 09:29

DVDRB .41 & .42
CCE 2.67
eclCCE 1.8b

Two out of the four dvds I have made with these versions have a strange problem right when the disc comes to the layer break on two of my dvd players. The problem is, right the point where the layer break used to be (well, ifoedit says it still is there) the video becomes very jerky, starts stops speeds up slows down, and sometimes the audio cuts out intermittenly (I know I spelled that wrong...). It will keep on doing this right through till the end of the movie, unless I somehow stop the playback and start it again (puase/play, stop/resume, hell even ffw/play). But if I rewind right to the point of the 'break' and play over it again, the playback gets jerky again.

I only know the model number from one of the glitching players, GE 5803P. I have two of these, both have this problem, neither has hacked firmware. The other player is an old phillips, model number is not displayed and it was a hand me down so no manual.

So far:
Matrix Revolutions - DVD-RB .41 all defualts (except bias and such), layer break stuttering
Kill Bill Vol1 - DVD-RB .41 all defualts (same cce settings changes), no layer break stuttering
Die Hard 2 - DVD-RB .42 all defualts, no layer break stuttering
Die Hard With a Vengance - DVD-RB .42 converted VTS2 to 16:9, has layer break stuttering

Both of the movies when completely redone with .40 have absolutely no problem on any of my players. Methinks this is related to the new code to handle layer breaks that was added in .41, but honestly it could be anything for all I know...

Im running several tests now, rerunning them through with rejig, with disable interlace checked/unchecked for main movie vts, different versions of cce, etc. I'll get back with results.

EDIT: Well, no luck. Rejig and CCE 2.5, with combinations of various options, still stuttering right at the layer break. Also confirmed that Die Hard 3 when run through .40 works great.

Anyway, im setting it up to run another movie through overnight. Even with this slight problem, this is still the best tool I have seen come out in a long time.

21st April 2004, 12:52

Originally posted by RB
Hmm, am I the only one having problems with subs in a standalone? Just trying again with v0.41.
As a reminder, so far with every DVD-RB backup I had the problem that subtitles worked only in a software player, not in my standalone.

What I did in an attempt to track down the problem was extracting the raw subtitles from both original and rebuilt VOBs (v0.42) with VsRip. VsRip creates a *.SUB file which is basically a VOB containing only subpicture packets plus headers. Since in theory DVD-RB doesn't touch the subs, the .SUB files should be identical, unless I'm missing something. Anyway, they are not. File size is the same but there are differences in every PACK_HEADER. For example:

Original DVD-RB
-------- ------

Offset Value Offset Value
00000000 00 00 01 BA 44 15 F6 64 00000000 00 00 01 BA 44 15 F6 8F
00000008 5D AF 01 89 C3 F8 00 00 00000008 4C 5D 01 89 C3 F8 00 00

So the differences are in the lower 12 bits of SCR and possibly SCR_Ext. jdobbs, is this normal?

21st April 2004, 13:00

RB: Every title had non-working subs? That seems odd, I've done 20-odd rips with DVD-RB, and subtitles have worked fine on: My Pioneer DV343, my Euroline 6588 (or smt), my friends Sony and a buddy's Scott player. Only those movies with Closed Captions had problems with subtitles, but that's natural, since it's not supported yet.

Out of curiousity, what player do you have?

-tf

21st April 2004, 13:04

Yes, really odd, I tried 5 or 6 different DVDs so far. Player is a JVC XV-S300BK. I can switch through all the subtitle streams with the remote, they are all there and the OSD shows the selected stream as active, it's just that the subs are never displayed. The original discs work just fine, of course.

Fr4nz

21st April 2004, 13:16

RB try other players and see what happens. Maybe it's just a JVC issue.

jdobbs

21st April 2004, 13:21

Originally posted by RB
As a reminder, so far with every DVD-RB backup I had the problem that subtitles worked only in a software player, not in my standalone.

What I did in an attempt to track down the problem was extracting the raw subtitles from both original and rebuilt VOBs (v0.42) with VsRip. VsRip creates a *.SUB file which is basically a VOB containing only subpicture packets plus headers. Since in theory DVD-RB doesn't touch the subs, the .SUB files should be identical, unless I'm missing something. Anyway, they are not. File size is the same but there are differences in every PACK_HEADER. For example:

Original DVD-RB
-------- ------

Offset Value Offset Value
00000000 00 00 01 BA 44 15 F6 64 00000000 00 00 01 BA 44 15 F6 8F
00000008 5D AF 01 89 C3 F8 00 00 00000008 4C 5D 01 89 C3 F8 00 00

So the differences are in the lower 12 bits of SCR and possibly SCR_Ext. jdobbs, is this normal? Yes, the SCR (System Clock Reference) has to be changed when authoring so you can keep sync. The PTS may also change.

walkistalki

21st April 2004, 13:49

RB,

have had a similar issue (last version I tried was .36 though, so will try again)

movie: the mission, pal r2

this movie has default subtitles on.

when playing in my standalone, when i select the subtitles to be off, they continue to be shown.

on pc it works fine

digitlman

21st April 2004, 14:09

ive been trying the Eagles Hell freezes over dvd and with the last several versions CCE crashes after finishing segment 6. i can hit close on the error window it it will start on the next segment and finish the dvd. but the rebuild stage will crash rebuilder when it gets to that point.

im running dual p4 xeons with xp sp1
cce sp 2.67.0.23

i made a pic of the windows i will try to ul it, i thought i could but i dont have a http website to put the image on. i will try to find one and edit this i guess.

21st April 2004, 14:10

Originally posted by Fr4nz
RB try other players and see what happens. Maybe it's just a JVC issue.
Well, since with the original disc subs work fine, I'd rather call it a DVD-RB issue :). jdobbs, anything I can do to help identifying the problem?

quantum

21st April 2004, 14:24

Originally posted by RB
Well, since with the original disc subs work fine, I'd rather call it a DVD-RB issue :). jdobbs, anything I can do to help identifying the problem? You never know what might give some clues till you try it. I'd suggest trying both the original and dvdrb copies in a different player. Then a Shrink version in the JVC.

It would be helpful to know if your output does not display subs on anything, or just your JVC.

jikchung

21st April 2004, 16:05

@jdobbs,
I can also confirm that the stuttering is gone for me as of v0.42. Still gettig the elapsed time/no chapter # update with FF/RW. That's not an issue for me though, just for your info.
Thanks for a great product.

jdobbs

21st April 2004, 16:28

Originally posted by RB
Well, since with the original disc subs work fine, I'd rather call it a DVD-RB issue :). jdobbs, anything I can do to help identifying the problem? I know I had a wierdness associated with subs that was on my "when I get to it list"... it is associated with the NAVPACK's subpicture sync table. It appeared to be working ok -- so it stayed down the list...

Centurione

21st April 2004, 21:09

Hi all,
from some RB posts, now I see that he has my same identical problem, I signalled several posts ago.
Also for me in all my backups the subs are only visible in SW players not in standalone players ( I have a budget AMstrad 2320 player, so I do not think it is only related to JVC).
On a couple of title I solved the problem extracting the subtitles from the original with VsRip, converting to sup, and remixing everything with ifoedit (very tedious job), but at the end everything worked, so also for me there seems to be something in the way DVD RB mixes the subtitles, something that appears only on certain players (seems very few), unfortunately mine, and the RB on that list.
For all the other aspects I got no particular problem in doing backups.

Paced

22nd April 2004, 04:14

I just tried 0.43a with Apocalypse Now (Redux) mainly to see how the new "1/2 D1 1/2 Space for Extras" worked. After preparation, I checked my AVS files, and the main movie was also being resized down to 1/2 D1.

Joergen

22nd April 2004, 04:16

Originally posted by Paced
I just tried 0.43a with Apocalypse Now (Redux) mainly to see how the new "1/2 D1 1/2 Space for Extras" worked. After preparation, I checked my AVS files, and the main movie was also being resized down to 1/2 D1.

AFAIK It only works if the extras are in a separate VTS (like on about 80% of DVDs from my experience)

Paced

22nd April 2004, 04:18

Originally posted by Joergen
AFAIK It only works if the extras are in a separate VTS (like on about 80% of DVDs from my experience)

The extras are in a separate VTS.

jdobbs

22nd April 2004, 04:24

Paced

22nd April 2004, 04:33

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm looking at it. I'll try to get a fix up.

Great, and thanks again for all the work you've done.

jdobbs

22nd April 2004, 04:38

Originally posted by Paced
Great, and thanks again for all the work you've done. I just posted the fix as 0.43b... dumb-ass mistake.

Paced

22nd April 2004, 04:49

Originally posted by jdobbs
I just posted the fix as 0.43b... dumb-ass mistake.

I can confirm 0.43b works as it should now, thanks again jdobbs.

----------------------

I've also got another question for you, and sorry if it's been asked before - I don't know much about this subject, but:

When you resize (down to 1/2 D1) an extra that is interlaced, is the use of BilinearResize(352x480/576) correct? I was always under the impression that it should look something like this when processing interlaced video

SeparateFields()
BilinearResize(352x240/288)
Weave()

? Or am I being paranoid, and it works out the same either way?

Joergen

22nd April 2004, 05:28

Half-D1 only removes from the horizontal rez so you can still have 50/60 fields per second just like the original. You just squeeze the picture sideways, and then stretch it back again on playback.

DVB (digital TV, terrestial or satellite) uses this to help streams work with lower bandwidth.

Paced

22nd April 2004, 05:51

Originally posted by Joergen
Half-D1 only removes from the horizontal rez so you can still have 50/60 fields per second just like the original. You just squeeze the picture sideways, and then stretch it back again on playback.

DVB (digital TV, terrestial or satellite) uses this to help streams work with lower bandwidth.

Thanks :)

dave88

22nd April 2004, 06:45

Dang, I had another 0004 buffer overflow error, this one happened after encoding during the rebuild process, the disk is the chappelle show season 1 (funny stuff)

dvdrb 042
eclcce 181
cce sp 2.67.00.23

22nd April 2004, 07:45

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I had a wierdness associated with subs that was on my "when I get to it list"... it is associated with the NAVPACK's subpicture sync table. It appeared to be working ok -- so it stayed down the list...
OK, thanks. Is it a little up the list now? :)

RobertR

22nd April 2004, 11:54

Hi!
DVD-RB 0.43b
CCE SP Trial 2.67.00.9
Finding Nemo extras disc R2 Polish edition

Some avs'es have only one frame in them and CCE crashes on those avs'es. DVD-RB goes on encoding rest of avs but than it bombs out at rebuild stage (most probably due to missing mpv)
This is still frame problem, right? I was under impression that it's gone (lately i had no time to follow those huge threads on DVD-RB)

Big sorry if this is known problem at this stage of developement (once again: i thought that still frame issue was fixed not-so-long-ago)

jdobbs

22nd April 2004, 12:00

Originally posted by RobertR
Hi!
DVD-RB 0.43b
CCE SP Trial 2.67.00.9
Finding Nemo extras disc R2 Polish edition

Some avs'es have only one frame in them and CCE crashes on those avs'es. DVD-RB goes on encoding rest of avs but than it bombs out at rebuild stage (most probably due to missing mpv)
This is still frame problem, right? I was under impression that it's gone (lately i had no time to follow those huge threads on DVD-RB)

Big sorry if this is known problem at this stage of developement (once again: i thought that still frame issue was fixed not-so-long-ago) I am aware of a possible problem with QuEnc and single frame encodes, and there is a (fairly) well known issue with CCE 2.50 (that I've inserted code to bypass). But I wasn't aware of any single frame issues with 2.67. I'm becoming more-and-more convinced that I should probably just roll stll frames over into the output unmodified. I looked at it quickly the other day, however, and it would require some considerable recoding.

RobertR

22nd April 2004, 12:15

Good to know i've been helpfull in some way.
I'm still impressed by speed of developement of this awsome app.
As soon as Poland will be covered by PayPal (I hope this will happen soon after May, 1st when we will join EU) i'll make donations to You and some other authors of great little tools i use :D

22nd April 2004, 13:10

Originally posted by jdobbs
I am aware of a possible problem with QuEnc and single frame encodes, and there is a (fairly) well known issue with CCE 2.50 (that I've inserted code to bypass). But I wasn't aware of any single frame issues with 2.67.
I have no issues with single frame encodes and CCE-SP 2.67.00.23 and 2.67.00.27.

RobertR, make sure your AVS scripts actually use Mpeg2Dec3DG.dll, not some other Mpeg2Dec3 plugin. Can you play the AVS in MediaPlayer without crashing?

DDogg

22nd April 2004, 14:50

Jdobbs, I have a replicatable "Runtime 9 - subscript out of range" on title "Italian Job". Please let me know if I can provide any further information. Also, are there any methods to work around this?

22nd April 2004, 19:21

DDogg, do you get this during prepare or rebuild?

cptshamrock

22nd April 2004, 19:39

Since I've switched to .43b I got a buffer overflow error #0003. It happens during rebuild. Ive never had this problem with earlier versions and i tried the interlaced disabling as suggested in another post and that did not work.
CCE 2.67.00.23
ecl 1.8b
the dvd im re-building is full metal jacket

CeanD

22nd April 2004, 23:02

Trying .43b now :D

Also, upgraded to CCESP 2.67.00.23 from .11, just to see if that'd do it.

/me crosses fingers.

RobertR

23rd April 2004, 00:24

Originally posted by RB
I have no issues with single frame encodes and CCE-SP 2.67.00.23 and 2.67.00.27.
hmm maybe they fixed something in between?

RobertR, make sure your AVS scripts actually use Mpeg2Dec3DG.dll, not some other Mpeg2Dec3 plugin. Can you play the AVS in MediaPlayer without crashing?

This almost fresh W2K install. I've put Mpeg2Dec3DG.dll into plugin subdir of Avisynth 2.54 and am sure that i've pointed DVD-RB to right Mpeg2Dec3 plugin (there's either no other or eventually one that comes with DIF4U -- can't check atm as i'm away from that computer). I didn't try to play it in MPC or Media Player -- didn't thought of it. Will try in the morning.

BTW QuEnc looks like it's not having any probs with this particular dvd. Will see how it comes when i press ReBuild

One more info about my bug report: i get a habit of making ISO image of dvd i'm working on. May this cause crashes of CCE ? (i've seen some posts about some difference when using mounted ISO image and files ripped to hdd when using DVD-RB). Due to space limits i can't realy test this aspect at this moment.

elmokiddo

23rd April 2004, 01:18

I'm also getting error "Runtime 9 - subscript out of range" on Kill Bill, I did this sucessfully with .39 (or mabye .40) in the past

DVD-RB .43b
CCE 2.67.00.23 trial with EclCCE

This is during the rebuild stage on VTS2
1/2 Space Extras are enabled

nwg

23rd April 2004, 01:29

This is during the rebuild stage on VTS2

I am rebuilding it right now and about to get to VTS 2 with Kill Bill R2. It worked.

DVD-RB 043b
CCE 2.50 (3 passes)
eclCCE 1.81
Extras set to Half D1.

I reduced the extras a bit more with DVD Shrink prior to DVD-RB.

DDogg

23rd April 2004, 01:39

Originally posted by RB -
DDogg, do you get this during prepare or rebuild?Sorry, RB, just noticed your message. Yes, it happens on rebuild.

elmokiddo

23rd April 2004, 02:16

How do I check what revision it is? Kill bill r1? or r2?

nwg

23rd April 2004, 02:20

How do I check what revision it is? Kill bill r1? or r2?

As in regions - R1 (USA/Canada) or R2 (Europe/Japan).

elmokiddo

23rd April 2004, 02:53

Ohh!, thanks, I've always thought that meant revisions!

My Kill Bill is R1 btw :)

Elmo.

wmansir

23rd April 2004, 03:09

Originally posted by DDogg
Jdobbs, I have a replicatable "Runtime 9 - subscript out of range" on title "Italian Job". Please let me know if I can provide any further information. Also, are there any methods to work around this?

I just got that error. I tried re-encoding the problem segment with CCE (just cut out the job from the .ecl and created a temp .ecl to load into CCE) and re-ran the rebuild and it worked. It could be a problem with the originally encoded segement (I encountered an error in the segment after the one that caused the error 9, CCE init() failed see this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74901), and did that one it manually), or it could be because I restarted DVD-RB, or something else. Just something to try.

I wish I had saved the original .mpv file so I could compare them, but I didn't know if it would work and was just trying it out.

wgw

23rd April 2004, 03:52

FYI @JDOBBS

Version 0.42 fixed the run-time error 9 I got with the Fawlty Towers disc and v0.41. V0.43b also worked. I'm suprised to see that others are getting the same error now.

dinobike

23rd April 2004, 04:14

i think i found something when dvd-rb make a 4:3 --> 16:9 conversion.
The title i tried is Armagedon, region 4, and came 4:3 letterboxed so i try the conversion to 16:9 and worked great but the subtitle were gone. Th eversion i use were 0.37 to 0.40. I don't know if the new ones correct the ifo files for the subtitles ( that i supossed its the problem). With nothing else to say but, Jdobbs keep the good job!!, cause this is the best software out there!! ( and anywhere)

i´m using cce 2.5 with eclcce

23rd April 2004, 07:36

Originally posted by RobertR
This almost fresh W2K install. I've put Mpeg2Dec3DG.dll into plugin subdir of Avisynth 2.54 and am sure that i've pointed DVD-RB to right Mpeg2Dec3 plugin (there's either no other or eventually one that comes with DIF4U -- can't check atm as i'm away from that computer).
That is, you also set "Path to MPEG2DEC3DG" in Rebuilder and ticked the "Add to AVS file" option? You shouldn't do this then because this actually loads Mpeg2Dec3Dg.dll twice which could cause problems. The first time it's auto-loaded because it's in the AVISynth plugins directory, the second time because of the LoadPlugin() in the AVS. I'm not sure how AVISynth reacts in this situation.

RobertR

23rd April 2004, 09:51

Originally posted by RB
That is, you also set "Path to MPEG2DEC3DG" in Rebuilder and ticked the "Add to AVS file" option? You shouldn't do this then because this actually loads Mpeg2Dec3Dg.dll twice which could cause problems. The first time it's auto-loaded because it's in the AVISynth plugins directory, the second time because of the LoadPlugin() in the AVS. I'm not sure how AVISynth reacts in this situation.
I've put path to Mpeg2Dec3dg but i did not tick "Add to AVS file". I've just searched my disk and found three instances of Mpeg2Dec3dg (one in plugin dir, DIF4U one and NuMenu4U one). I do have also Mpeg2Dec3.dll but they are outside plugin dir (DIF4U and NuMenu4U ships them) and thus should not be found by AviSynth.
I checked also if those 1 frame avs file play in Windows Media Player and they do open up without any problems. However this avs where created for QuEnc not for CCE, i'm almost sure that they look exactly the same in both cases. I'll regenerate avs'es in a few minutes and see if i'm not mistaken.
All in all it looks like either bug in CCE or in my instalation of CCE (this was first CCE encode on this machine) (the latter is not likely cause on avs that have more than 1 frame CCE is doing great)

RobertR

23rd April 2004, 09:58

Originally posted by jdobbs
I am aware of a possible problem with QuEnc and single frame encodes, and there is a (fairly) well known issue with CCE 2.50 (that I've inserted code to bypass). But I wasn't aware of any single frame issues with 2.67. I'm becoming more-and-more convinced that I should probably just roll stll frames over into the output unmodified. I looked at it quickly the other day, however, and it would require some considerable recoding.
To cheer You up a bit i'll say that
DVD-RB 0.43b
QuEnc 0.45
Finding Nemo Extras Disc R2 Polish Edition
rebuilded without any probs. No crashing, no errors, no problems with single frame encodes. Superb!
Disc doesn't work tho but it's my fault.. I didn't check it earlier.. this dvd has menu in VTS_01_1.VOB! :( It uses BOV i suppose (is there any other way of doing menu in _1.VOB ?) so it won't work with DVD-RB.
Stupid me :)

23rd April 2004, 10:12

Originally posted by RobertR
It uses BOV i suppose (is there any other way of doing menu in _1.VOB ?)
A menu is BOV is a menu :)

RobertR

23rd April 2004, 10:27

Originally posted by RB
A menu is BOV is a menu :)
ermm.. i meant _1.VOB not _0.VOB :D well yeah BoV is a menu is a BoV ;)
anyway at this stage DVD-RB just stripped subpic and/or navpacks that where needed. I've never looked into backuping BoV dvds so i'm just that little bit scared...

dancis

23rd April 2004, 11:59

Hi

I am still getting error buffer overflow error 0003 with v0.44 and ecc 2.5 with eclcce 1.81
I can watch it in windows mediaplayer , and this file is the DTS intro with the piano this is giving the rebuild problem.

[V03012200002001]
SCR=,000
PTS=5400,000
Frame_Rate_Code=3
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=450
Last_Sector=19824
Reduction=39,1
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0

I hope this helps or do you need other info?

samuraijack

23rd April 2004, 13:34

Originally posted by elmokiddo
I'm also getting error "Runtime 9 - subscript out of range" on Kill Bill, I did this sucessfully with .39 (or mabye .40) in the past

DVD-RB .43b
CCE 2.67.00.23 trial with EclCCE

This is during the rebuild stage on VTS2
1/2 Space Extras are enabled \

Same thing exactly except for Im using 2.50 with EclCCE 1.8
Did Master and Commander with .42 the previous night with no problems. Used a copy of the ini from .42 for .43b

A thing that makes you go Hmmmmmmmm...

quantum

23rd April 2004, 14:31

mosher2k

23rd April 2004, 15:48

Hi,

tested v0.44 with LOTR 2 PAL-Version Disc 3 and 4
and both finished with buffer overflows error 0004
while rebuilding.

Disc 4 aborted while rebuilding segment 136 VOBID
137 CELLID 1.

I used cce-mode,one click mode without removing
anything.

Regards,
Mosher2k

lab-one

23rd April 2004, 16:03

@quantum

What sort of problems do you think this could cause? Mine is auto loaded, so I don't check the "Add to AVS file" option, but I can see others could easily have done this thinking it was the right thing to do.

I have it in the AVISynth plug-ins directory and have it setup in DVD-RB to add to avs file. I...don't have any problems?

Maybe I should uncheck the add to avs option?

CeanD

23rd April 2004, 17:57

Originally posted by CeanD
Trying .43b now :D

Also, upgraded to CCESP 2.67.00.23 from .11, just to see if that'd do it.

/me crosses fingers.

Still got it(Runtime 9), although on a different VTS during rebuild.

imd_man

23rd April 2004, 19:33

Hey jdobbs! I've successfully used DVD-RB for about 6 of my DVDs now. It's worked just great! However, they've all been quite simple DVDs (simple structures, no forced subs). So I was just curious, does DVD-RB work with forced subs?

Thanks!

Best

DDogg

23rd April 2004, 20:28

imd_man, that's not a bug report. There is a comments and suggestions thread. :)

imd_man

23rd April 2004, 20:31

crap! I'm so sorry! Totally fogot which thread I was in! Too many about this program :) But hey, when it's this cool :)

wmansir

24th April 2004, 00:35

1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: cce_encode_init() failed
5. Extra info:

I found a setting, at least in one case, which fixes the problem. It had to do with using non_linear=1 on very short, Half-D1 cells.

There is already a thread on this here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74901).

This problem seems to only occur with mutli-pass encoding of Half-D1 clips that are only a few dozen frames long, the longest I encountered it on was 33 frames. I tracked down the problem in the item.ecl and found that by switching non_linear=1 to non_linear=0 the error went away. It also doesn't occur with CBR encodes and it doesn't seem to be a problem for Full-D1 clips.

jdobbs

24th April 2004, 11:12

I've found the cause of the previous "Runtime error '9'" and more recent "...no I-Frame for 51 frames" errors. It is related to a DVD Decrypter bug that only occurs when using ISO mode. Which explains whey I had such a hard time repeating it -- I've always used "file" mode until recently. MAKE SURE YOU ARE USING DVD DECRYPTER VERSION 3.2.1.0 or above...

BTW, while I'm on the subject... DVD Decrypter is a GREAT piece of software and deserves donations...

I found this in the DVD Decrypter update log for 3.2.1.0:

Fixed: Big bug in ISO Read mode where files following 0 bytes files weren't decrypted

I went back and checked, and indeed, the problem I encountered was due to the fact that it followed a zero length file. If anyone gets this error UPGRADE YOUR VERSION OF DVD DECRYPTER TO V3.2.1.0.

jdobbs

24th April 2004, 12:02

Originally posted by RB
OK, now processed two other (PAL) DVDs with 0.41 and again, subtitles work only in a software player, not in my standalone (JVC XV-S300BK).

Could some others (maybe it just happens with PAL?) please try to verify this?

Also, v0.41 didn't remove the layer break from the IFO. jdobbs, what algorithm do you use to identify the true dual-layer break? I looked at a couple of DVDs and it appeared that "Layer Break" seemed to be indicated by the first byte of the cell playback information table being set to "0" indicating a lack of seamless playback but without SCR discontinuity. So I looked for those and set them to 0x8 (seamless playback) -- it fixed it on the test discs. I've since seen that there are also mid-disc "Layer Breaks" that are set to "2" indicating a lack of seamless playback accompanied by SCR discontinuity. I'm not catching these, and am wondering how I can... as there may be many of these that are "legitimate" (it should be set like this every time the SCR goes back to 0 -- which happens all the time...)

Do you have an algorithm you use?

Thanks.

nwg

24th April 2004, 12:47

I have also seen many PAL R2 DVD's set to "2".

In the past, I have been usng ifoedit to take these out. I add 8 to the 2 and put in 10. Ones set to 0 then becomes 8.

The ifoedit procedure is -

1. Open the movie's IFO, usually VTS_01_0.IFO, with IFOEdit
2. Note the cell number where the layer break occurs.
3. Note the PGC number, usually PGC_1
4. Expand VTS_PGCITI and select the PGC noted at (3)
5. Scroll down until you find the cell number noted at (2)
6. The very first entry for that cell - cell type - will have some value other than 8.
7. Double click this line and change the value by adding 8 to whatever's there now. Thus, if it's 2 make it 10, if it's 0 make it 8.
8. Save the file.

Every DVD has worked 100% using this method.

Is there anyway to look for this 0 or 2 and just add 8 to it. I hope I have explained it ok, I am not very technical in these aspects compared to other people.

jdobbs

24th April 2004, 13:21

Originally posted by nwg
I have also seen many PAL R2 DVD's set to "2".

In the past, I have been usng ifoedit to take these out. I add 8 to the 2 and put in 10. Ones set to 0 then becomes 8.

The ifoedit procedure is -

1. Open the movie's IFO, usually VTS_01_0.IFO, with IFOEdit
2. Note the cell number where the layer break occurs.
3. Note the PGC number, usually PGC_1
4. Expand VTS_PGCITI and select the PGC noted at (3)
5. Scroll down until you find the cell number noted at (2)
6. The very first entry for that cell - cell type - will have some value other than 8.
7. Double click this line and change the value by adding 8 to whatever's there now. Thus, if it's 2 make it 10, if it's 0 make it 8.
8. Save the file.

Every DVD has worked 100% using this method.

Is there anyway to look for this 0 or 2 and just add 8 to it. I hope I have explained it ok, I am not very technical in these aspects compared to other people. That works great if you can intuitively look at it and decide which one is the "Layer Break" that needs to be removed. But making a program intuitive is very difficult. Are there any signs, settings, etc. that you look for that show it is the correct cell... The reason I ask is to prevent problems associated with removing true STC discontinuities.

nwg

24th April 2004, 14:08

I just look for the layer break that appears through the film's VTS then remember the cell number. There are often lots of other layer breaks shown in the other VTS files, I ignore these. I haven't seen more than one in Ifoedit in the film VTS.

I can see why it is more diffcult for program to do it.

bobrap

24th April 2004, 14:24

1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE basic
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered: cce encoding failed: MPVA VBV ovf frame# 0 (00:00:00:00) I 3956(1.$) rel 3956.00 1.#J qsv 112.00->112.00

After pressing OK:

vinfi_open() failed: Bad data frames=0<C:\KILLBILL_VOL1\D2VAVS\V03000300004001.vaf

Image file is mounted with Daemon tools. One click mode. Dynamically assign cell bitrates and Half D-1/Half Space for extras checked.

Rebuild phase ok. Final size 4.23GB with CCETargetSectors=2286000.

To be honest, I haven't a clue what this means. Just thought I would post in case it is something that someone might need to see.

:thanks:

daxab

24th April 2004, 14:51

1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. EclCCE: 1.7b
4. Bug encountered: Run-time error '9': Subscript out of range
5. Extra info:

Appears during rebuild phase. Would like to post log here, but the program bailed out, and the log was lost.

Source = Kill Bill v1 ISO.

wmansir

24th April 2004, 15:03

@bobrap
That's a VBV (video Buffer Verifier) error message. It's usually the result of CCE trying to encode a very complex scene with too small a bitrate. By very complex I'm talking about video "snow" or "static" most of the time, like HBO's opening logo, although I have encountered it with other complex material if I'm using a particularly low bitrate.

Search the CCE forum for VBV error and you'll get a dozen threads on this. Unfortunately there is no quick fix. You can try a newer version of CCE, or try to "tame" the offending section with filters. As a last resort you can cut out the problem section.

dancis

24th April 2004, 15:12

I have made my first working copy YES !!!! but subs doesn't work on all stand alone players. Had this problem from the begining i think i have to live with this or i will buy a new dvd player.

quantum

24th April 2004, 15:15

You're not the first to have problems with subs. It looks like there may be a problem with subs that does not appear on every player.

24th April 2004, 15:21

Originally posted by jdobbs
I looked at a couple of DVDs and it appeared that "Layer Break" seemed to be indicated by the first byte of the cell playback information table being set to "0" indicating a lack of seamless playback but without SCR discontinuity. So I looked for those and set them to 0x8 (seamless playback) -- it fixed it on the test discs. I've since seen that there are also mid-disc "Layer Breaks" that are set to "2" indicating a lack of seamless playback accompanied by SCR discontinuity. I'm not catching these, and am wondering how I can... as there may be many of these that are "legitimate" (it should be set like this every time the SCR goes back to 0 -- which happens all the time...)

Do you have an algorithm you use?
I have written a batch file that I use to demux DVDs, and the algorithm I use to identify the layer break is more like an educated guess :) If there's a "layer break", I check whether it's in the largest VTS and therein in the largest PGC. Then if it's the only "layer break" in the PGC (ignoring "layer break" at first or last cell), I decide that this is the dual-layer break :) Not bullet proof, but has worked so far.

The bullet proof method would require access to the original DVD or a mounted ISO. You would send the DVD drive a IOCTL_DVD_READ_STRUCTURE command via DeviceIoControl() API and request return of a DVD_LAYER_DESCRIPTOR structure. The structure has a EndLayerZeroSector member that can be matched against the sector numbers in the IFO. Not sure this call is valid for Win9x.

I'd recommend contacting DVDShrink and Lightning UK! about this.

24th April 2004, 15:24

Originally posted by quantum
You're not the first to have problems with subs. It looks like there may be a problem with subs that does not appear on every player. jdobbs is aware of the problem, see http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=479320#post479320 . I'm sure it will be fixed along the way.

quantum

24th April 2004, 15:28

Originally posted by jdobbs
I looked at a couple of DVDs and it appeared that "Layer Break" seemed to be indicated by the first byte of the cell playback Or just forget about it. So what if you have a slight pause at the layer break? I never noticed it on my players anyway. I'd rather have that than some work-around that could introduce intermittent side effects.

Sir Didymus

24th April 2004, 21:37

Originally posted by TheGame7
I "CCE'd" a DVD and just got round to checking it today and found that it stutters a fair bit - during camera flashes in particular.

The original DVD does not suffer from this problem, nor does the DVD Rip (done via DVDDecrypter).

Any ideas to what could be causing this?

I am using a Bias of 20 and a QP of 16.

Everything else looks like a great encode except for these stutters.

Can I remind you that its happening ON the PC, not been burned to DVD yet nor put in a player..

May I suggest to burn it in any case on a good quality rewritable media, in order to check what happen with a standalone player ?

Lot of factors in a PC may lead to have a poor play of a good DVD...

I know it is time consuming, but if you want to be sure the problem is really there, I would recommend to verify the presence of the problem on a standalone...

robot1

25th April 2004, 00:17

DVD-RB 0.44
Encoder: Rejig
Using EclCCE: N
Bug: I've got an error 9 during rebuild phase. It happens at the end of the "rebuilding segment" phase, (before the updating nav-packs one).
I think it could be related to the gop structure of the source: if I encode that segment with Qenc or the demo of CCE the rebuilding finishes without problems.
Every version of DVD-RB I've tried with that DVD (using Rejig) shows this error in the same place.
Let me know if I can give you further informations.
Sorry for my English...

wmansir

25th April 2004, 01:28

1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: TargetSectors= is ignored in .ini

Even though the Readme states that TargetSectors= will still work, it is ignored. I ran a few tests and TargetSectors= did not affect the bitrates used. I also tried CCETargetSectors= and it worked.

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 01:59

Originally posted by wmansir
1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: TargetSectors= is ignored in .ini

Even though the Readme states that TargetSectors= will still work, it is ignored. I ran a few tests and TargetSectors= did not affect the bitrates used. I also tried CCETargetSectors= and it worked. Are there any conflicting entries in the INI? If there is a "TargetSectors=" and (e.g.) "CCETargetSectors=" both in the INI, the "TargetSectors=" is overridden by the specific one if you are using that encoder.

jurij

25th April 2004, 02:01

jdobbs:
1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.023
3. Using eclCCE? Y

Hi, i would like to report a bug win dvd-rb 0.44:
i backuped "the blues brothers" and the bonus material was 1.8 GB.
i decided to do resize bonus to "half D1".
now when i watch the bonus with subtitles, the subtitles are twice as width and the don't fit on screen. i can see only 50% of the subs.
Is there a workaround?

Is there a way to give less bitrate to the extras (trailers...) compared to the default bitrate dvd-rb calculates to use?
Thanx for the good job

edit:
I just noticed the option: "half D1 and half bitrate 4 extras".
Does that mean i still have to choose which VTS to use half D1 and for each of the VTSs i select DVD-RB also halfs the bitrate?

Paced

25th April 2004, 02:04

Originally posted by jurij
jdobbs:
1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.023
3. Using eclCCE? Y

Hi, i would like to report a bug win dvd-rb 0.44:
i backuped "the blues brothers" and the bonus material was 1.8 GB.
i decided to do resize bonus to "half D1".
now when i watch the bonus with subtitles, the subtitles are twice as width and the don't fit on screen. i can see only 50% of the subs.
Is there a workaround?

Is there a way to give less bitrate to the extras (trailers...) compared to the default bitrate dvd-rb calculates to use?
Thanx for the good job

Have you tried playing it in your standalone? My subtitles look way off when I use a software player to play back the DVD (when using half D1), but when I put it in my standalones, the subtitles look just like they did on the original.

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 02:06

Originally posted by jurij
jdobbs:
1. DVD-R Version: 0.44
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.023
3. Using eclCCE? Y

Hi, i would like to report a bug win dvd-rb 0.44:
i backuped "the blues brothers" and the bonus material was 1.8 GB.
i decided to do resize bonus to "half D1".
now when i watch the bonus with subtitles, the subtitles are twice as width and the don't fit on screen. i can see only 50% of the subs.
Is there a workaround?

Is there a way to give less bitrate to the extras (trailers...) compared to the default bitrate dvd-rb calculates to use?
Thanx for the good job I have no current plans to resize Half-D1 subtitles. I do plan to, however, provide a method of reducing bitrates of full sized extras.

jurij

25th April 2004, 02:07

of course:
Subs are messed up only in that "backup" i made using the "resize half D1" option in the Extras......
subs in the movie are ok and also in the 30 other "backups" i made so far

jurij

25th April 2004, 02:09

jdobbs:
so you mean "large subs in half D1" it's a known issue and there is no workaound right?

you already made possible to reduce (half) the bitrate of extras, haven't you?

Joergen

25th April 2004, 02:59

Why would a hardware player that uses 720x576/480 at all times need to toy around with the subtitle resolution? I mean, a hardware player has all sorts of GRAPHICS displayed over the video when you press buttons (subs info, angle info, audio etc displays) that are NOT resized to fit any special resolutions (VCD, SVCD etc). Which means the rez on playback is always full and the video itself is scaled, which in turn means subtitles of 720x576/480 should work just fine.

And if they dont, the dvd consortium sure did a sloppy job implementint half-d1 in the first place. :angry:

But it doesnt surprise me if software players (especially PowerDVD) poop themselves with anything but 720 width video.

Has anybody had problems with half-d1 extras and their subs on a STANDALONE? And if so, what make?

fusion007

25th April 2004, 08:13

dvd-rb v0.44 cce v2.6 first attempt went ok till near the end where i got an error on kill-bill r2,so i went and got the new version of ecl and avsyinth etc..i started it all again and now as soon as cce opens i get a 1088x56 not supported only 720x576 message any ideas?

P3gasus

25th April 2004, 08:52

Originally posted by fusion007
dvd-rb v0.44 cce v2.6 first attempt went ok till near the end where i got an error on kill-bill r2,so i went and got the new version of ecl and avsyinth etc..i started it all again and now as soon as cce opens i get a 1088x56 not supported only 720x576 message any ideas?

That's an avisynth problem. Just download mpeg2dec3dg.dll. Then in RB->Options->Setup set mpeg2dec3dg.dll path and check the add to avs file option.

That should solve your problem.
Bye

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 11:43

Originally posted by jurij
jdobbs:
so you mean "large subs in half D1" it's a known issue and there is no workaound right?

you already made possible to reduce (half) the bitrate of extras, haven't you? Yes, but only when they have been reduced to Half-D1

fusion007

25th April 2004, 13:58

@P3gasus,thanks for your reply u solved my problem what i did wrong was use the MPEG2Dec3dg.dll installed under dvd2vcd presuming it would work which it didnt so i just d/l it and installed sorted!

dancis

25th April 2004, 15:18

i made a backup of tomraider2 R2 and got an buffer overflow error 0004 , when i watch the file causing the error , it is a telecine version of deleted scenes

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 16:40

Originally posted by fusion007
@P3gasus,thanks for your reply u solved my problem what i did wrong was use the MPEG2Dec3dg.dll installed under dvd2vcd presuming it would work which it didnt so i just d/l it and installed sorted! Now that makes you wonder... does dvd2vcd have a modified version of MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL? It really shouldn't matter.

alanuk

25th April 2004, 18:00

DVD Rebuilder v0.44 Beta
CCE Basic Ver.2.67.01.19
eclCCE: No

Bug: At the end of the "rebuilding segment" phase I'm regularly getting an error 9.

DirtyAbdul

25th April 2004, 19:02

here are 2 minor "cosmetic" bugs:

1. when you click on the menu "help > readme," the lower part of the readme is cut off. of course, you could just open the rebuilder.txt file directly, but that's why i call it a "cosmetic" bug -- no big deal, just want to report it.

2. CCE basic was minimized at the beginning while encoding, but since i opened it to read the progress report, even the "minimize" option keeps the CCE window open all the time!?! :confused: any suggestion? and again, not a big deal, just wondering.

progs used:
1. DVD-RB v0.44
2. CCE Basic v2.67.01.19

yeah, we'll keep ya busy with all the bug reports, but you're doin' a hell of a job! another $10 is already on the way! :D

DA

CeanD

25th April 2004, 20:57

Changed it to 4 passes on a tip. And it fails still, but, at a different point during the rebuild....

Originally posted by CeanD
Still got it(Runtime 9), although on a different VTS during rebuild.

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 21:14

Originally posted by DirtyAbdul
here are 2 minor "cosmetic" bugs:

1. when you click on the menu "help > readme," the lower part of the readme is cut off. of course, you could just open the rebuilder.txt file directly, but that's why i call it a "cosmetic" bug -- no big deal, just want to report it.

2. CCE basic was minimized at the beginning while encoding, but since i opened it to read the progress report, even the "minimize" option keeps the CCE window open all the time!?! :confused: any suggestion? and again, not a big deal, just wondering.

progs used:
1. DVD-RB v0.44
2. CCE Basic v2.67.01.19

yeah, we'll keep ya busy with all the bug reports, but you're doin' a hell of a job! another $10 is already on the way! :D

DA 1. I purposely cut the bottom off the internal readme so it only goes back a certain period. After beta I will probably start the timeline over again.

2. I'll check that out, not sure why...

3. Thanks for the support!

EddieTH

25th April 2004, 22:08

DVD-RB 0.44

I was looking at AVS files for my first project with any resizing (LB 4:3 to 16:9) and I noticed that interlaced video is being resized without separating fields first.

Mr Magic

25th April 2004, 22:13

Originally posted by Joergen

But it doesnt surprise me if software players (especially PowerDVD) poop themselves with anything but 720 width video.

I just tried it with the R2 version of Oceans's 11. The subs on the extras look a bit 'crushed' when in PowerDVD, but still very well readable. In WinDVD however, the subs are all screwed.

Has anybody had problems with half-d1 extras and their subs on a STANDALONE? And if so, what make?

On my standalone (cheapo Hiteker HE-1800) they work perfectly. In my Xbox the subs look similarly 'crushed' as in PowerDVD, but again very well readable.

Joergen

25th April 2004, 22:13

Originally posted by EddieTH
DVD-RB 0.44

I was looking at AVS files for my first project with any resizing (LB 4:3 to 16:9) and I noticed that interlaced video is being resized without separating fields first.

Yep its covered in another thread. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74646&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

EddieTH

25th April 2004, 22:14

Originally posted by Joergen
Yep its covered in another thread. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74646&perpage=20&pagenumber=2
Okay, never mind then.

Joergen

25th April 2004, 22:15

Originally posted by Mr Magic
[B]

On my standalone (cheapo Hiteker HE-1800) they work perfectly. In my Xbox the subs look similarly 'crushed' as in PowerDVD, but again very well readable.

Good that they work in the cheapo player like they should. The Xbox should be taken as a software player as I believe the video decoding is done by the CPU and video adapter, not a dedicated MPEG2 chip built to handle the standard.

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 22:36

jhmac

25th April 2004, 22:57

Has anyone else had a problem with audio going out of sync when using "Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9"? I posted this before but but got no reply. I did "The Hunt For Red October" and the audio was fine at first but would slowly go out of sync, it would re-sync up at chapter points only to go out of sync again. Any Ideas?

jdobbs

25th April 2004, 23:35

Originally posted by jhmac
Has anyone else had a problem with audio going out of sync when using "Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9"? I posted this before but but got no reply. I did "The Hunt For Red October" and the audio was fine at first but would slowly go out of sync, it would re-sync up at chapter points only to go out of sync again. Any Ideas? That's an ongoing problem that seems to happen with only certain movies. I am making some changes in 0.45 that may have an affect on that.

borgraf

26th April 2004, 00:07

Hiya,

I might've run into a small bug here. I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, maybe it's a "feature"..

When using the "Convert from LB 4:3 to 16:9" option on my latest project "John Carpenter's The Thing" (PAL), only the first subtitle on the list worked. Selecting any of the following subtitles would still display the first one, in this case English. Deactivating worked, and activating any sub worked.. it just displayed english on all of them.

I ran the project again from the same source and with the same settings except for the 4:3 to 16:9 conversion, and then the subtitles worked fine.

Just for the heck of it I ran the project once more with the conversion, and again it would display english no matter what sub was selected.

oops, almost forgot..

0.44
2.67
1.81

Added: DVD-RB is usually very close to target size, except when using the half D1/half bitrate for extras option. I've been getting a steady 4.32-4.35 GB with CCETargetSectors=2251760 (thank you quantum), but when using the mentioned option I get as low as 4.03 GB

Added #2: where are my manners :confused: I love making backups with this prog, thanks for working so hard on it jdobbs!

rui

26th April 2004, 10:39

Originally posted by borgraf

Added: DVD-RB is usually very close to target size, except when using the half D1/half bitrate for extras option. I've been getting a steady 4.32-4.35 GB with CCETargetSectors=2251760 (thank you quantum), but when using the mentioned option I get as low as 4.03 GB

I noticed the same. I was doing a backup of "The Battle of Midway", and selected option mentioned above. The final size was 4,04 GB

I used:

DVD-RB 0.43b, with all settings at default values
ECLCCE 1.81
CCE 2.67.00.23

Not complaining, the final quality of the movie was still GREAT!
Thanks again for the great software :)

nwg

26th April 2004, 11:50

I don't know if this can be considered a bug. It looks like the Half D1 for extras doesn't work very well with episodic DVD's. I did CSI Season 2 disc 1. It has a few small extras as well as four episodes. The result was just 3.25GB.

Without the option selected the final size is 4.31GB.

DVD-RB 0.43b/0.45
CCE 2.50
eclCCE 1.81

I also got an error with Quenc 0.47 and 0.45 DVD-RB. I was doing the smae DVD with 2 pass. It got encoding done to 94% and then got a video codec cannot be opened error message? The program hen stopped encoding.

Edit.

I forgot about the manual setting of Half-D1 (the old way). I will try it again, I just wished I remembered this 12 hours ago. :D It's all part of the fun.

jdobbs

26th April 2004, 13:10

A note to everyone. You cannot continue jobs started with a previous version (e.g. just do a REBUILD) on ANY job with 0.45 -- there is an additional INF entry that is now inserted during PREPARE that is essential. I'm going to modify the notice for 0.45 to clarify that fact.

DDogg

26th April 2004, 15:04

I still got the '9' on rebuild of 'ItalianJob'. Hopefully you can try that title sometime. There are a lot of stills and they seem to be distorted. I've attached one of them.

jdobbs

26th April 2004, 17:13

Originally posted by DDogg
I still got the '9' on rebuild of 'ItalianJob'. Hopefully you can try that title sometime. There are a lot of stills and they seem to be distorted. I've attached one of them. It looks like possibly one of the two fields is distorted.

thedeath

26th April 2004, 18:13

DVD-R Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.09
Using eclCCE? YES

Bug encountered:
When i try to rebuild the DVD DVD-RB says always to me: "Error in IFOupdate, please inform the author".
Befor that everything works fine, and there were no probs with a few other DVD's. It just this one.

If you need to know more about this prob, let me know!

Greetings, TheDeath

26th April 2004, 18:49

Originally posted by thedeath
When i try to rebuild the DVD DVD-RB says always to me: "Error in IFOupdate, please inform the author".
Did you do use any "stripping" utility before running DVD-RB, anything else except Decrypter got it's hands on the DVD files?

nwg

26th April 2004, 19:45

I redid CSI season 2 Disc 1 (PAL) with Quenc. I got a runtime error 9 at 96%.

This is actually the first time I got the error.

Oldeman

26th April 2004, 20:33

DVD-RB .45
QuEnc .47
Error 6 source inconsistancy between prepare and rebuild...
during rebuild

Tried as 1 click bombed. Tried are three step bombed at same place
end of segment 1 vob 2 cellid 1.

movie Elizabeth R1.
Works ok using same source with Rejig. :confused:

[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=0
Encode_Progress=36

[V03000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=17817.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=292
Last_Sector=5122
Reduction=75.9
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0
EndPTM=1113912.000

[V03000100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=17404.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=1164
Last_Sector=18216
Reduction=75.9
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0
EndPTM=4386769.000

[V03000200003001]
SCR=.000
PTS=17404.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=841
Last_Sector=33217
Reduction=75.9
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0
EndPTM=3173557.000

Patdumpsite

26th April 2004, 21:39

Originally posted by nwg
I also got an error with Quenc 0.47 and 0.45 DVD-RB. I was doing the smae DVD with 2 pass. It got encoding done to 94% and then got a video codec cannot be opened error message? The program hen stopped encoding.

I received this same error message for the second time when backing up Alien 3 [NTSC].

Using:
DVD-RB .45
QuEnc .47

I also got it the other day when trying to back up Kill Bill vol. 1 [NTSC] using:

DVD-RB .43
QuEnc .45

With Kill Bill I clicked on the error and it continued to encode and after getting the error 3-4 times it finally finished. The final result would play on VLC, I couldn't seem to find anything wrong with it, but the file size was small. 3.5 to 3.7GB

I am afraid I erased it :rolleyes: so I don't have anything more to offer.

jdobbs

26th April 2004, 21:48

Originally posted by Oldeman
DVD-RB .45
QuEnc .47
Error 6 source inconsistancy between prepare and rebuild...
during rebuild
That's interesting. I got this error (0006) for the first time yesterday. It happens only on a ReJig source and won't happen in QuEnc or CCE. I'm investigating. This error is only supposed to occur when the frame count is different between the original source and the newly encoded one.

jdobbs

26th April 2004, 21:50

Originally posted by Patdumpsite
I received this same error message for the second time when backing up Alien 3 [NTSC].

Using:
DVD-RB .45
QuEnc .47

I also got it the other day when trying to back up Kill Bill vol. 1 [NTSC] using:

DVD-RB .43
QuEnc .45

With Kill Bill I clicked on the error and it continued to encode and after getting the error 3-4 times it finally finished. The final result would play on VLC, I couldn't seem to find anything wrong with it, but the file size was small. 3.5 to 3.7GB

I am afraid I erased it :rolleyes: so I don't have anything more to offer. Look in the Encoders section under the QuEnc thread. This was reported as a bug under QuEnc and Nic is working it.

jhmac

26th April 2004, 23:22

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's an ongoing problem that seems to happen with only certain movies. I am making some changes in 0.45 that may have an affect on that.

I will do "The Hunt For Red October" again tonight and see if there any improvements...

Thanks!

thedeath

27th April 2004, 00:37

Originally posted by RB
Did you do use any "stripping" utility before running DVD-RB, anything else except Decrypter got it's hands on the DVD files?

No, the only thing i used was DVD Decrypter to rip, nothing else!

Greetings, TheDeath

acido

27th April 2004, 08:00

Just a little thing that may be adjusted with removed audio streams : unselected audio streams in DVD-RB can still be selected when playing the final backup leading to mute playback. This is good because some menus still requires all streams entries in order to work properly. If you pass the DVD-RB backup through DVD Shrink checking only the needed streams, this time removed entries are still present but you cannot select them since they are greyed out. Can you try to fix it the same way? Removing audio streams with IFOEDIT sometimes is not as good because menus will fail selecting audio streams left.

@jdobbs
I've already posted the above considerations in "comment and suggestion" thread but i've got no fbks. I'm the only one experiencing the above?

wmansir

27th April 2004, 09:16

Originally posted by acido
@jdobbs
I've already posted the above considerations in "comment and suggestion" thread but i've got no fbks. I'm the only one experiencing the above?

That's normal. How are you "removing" streams with IFOedit? Are you actually stripping them via VOB extras? or just "0" out the audio status in the PGC? I believe all DVDShrink does is "0" out the audio status, which should be enough, and won't mess up the menu selections.

See this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60444) by 2COOL. Note that it was written for DVDShrink 3.0b5 and earlier. DVDShrink 3.1 already uses this method.

acido

27th April 2004, 09:39

Originally posted by wmansir
That's normal. How are you "removing" streams with IFOedit? Are you actually stripping them via VOB extras? or just "0" out the audio status in the PGC? I believe all DVDShrink does is "0" out the audio status, which should be enough, and won't mess up the menu selections.

See this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60444) by 2COOL. Note that it was written for DVDShrink 3.0b5 and earlier. DVDShrink 3.1 already uses this method.

@ wmansir,jdobbs
With IFOEDIT i was stripping VOB extras taking as input DVD-RB created VOBS in order to try to remove the "ghosted" audio stream, but found this way no good and used DVDShrink 3.1 instead.
.
What i'm asking is if it would be too much effort for jdobbs to have DVD-RB behave like DVDShrink 3.1, this will avoid selection of blanked-out audio streams and mute playbacks .
Thanks.

Masao

27th April 2004, 11:41

Don't know if anyone else is having this problem or not, but whenever I even try to load a DVD into DVD-RB I get this error:

Run-time error "6"
Overflow

That's all it gives me, and the shuts down. I've tried various discs, ripping in file mode, iso mode and then mounting with Daemon Tools, but no matter what I do, I can't even load a DVD into DVD-RB at all.

I did try all of this on my laptop, and it works fine there, but on my main computer (nforce2 board), it just gives me that error everytime I try to load a DVD. Any ideas as to what could be causing this?

dancis

27th April 2004, 11:49

I tried Terminator 2 last night , where i did get the buffer overflow error 0004 the first time it goes oke , but now at another point , it is giving the buffer overflow error 0003.

This happens with rb v0.45 , CCe 2.50 with elcce 1.81

Will try Tombraider 2 tonight , got an 0004 also with that movie , see if this one doesn't come back

jdobbs

27th April 2004, 12:13

Originally posted by Masao
Don't know if anyone else is having this problem or not, but whenever I even try to load a DVD into DVD-RB I get this error:

Run-time error "6"
Overflow

That's all it gives me, and the shuts down. I've tried various discs, ripping in file mode, iso mode and then mounting with Daemon Tools, but no matter what I do, I can't even load a DVD into DVD-RB at all.

I did try all of this on my laptop, and it works fine there, but on my main computer (nforce2 board), it just gives me that error everytime I try to load a DVD. Any ideas as to what could be causing this? What version? What utilities? CCE? QUENC? REJIG?

I'm pretty sure it's a configuration problem -- but I don't know what you're using.

Masao

27th April 2004, 14:25

Sorry, should have listed all that stuff to begin with.

DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? YES
AviSynth Version : 2.54

I don't think it's a configuration problem though as I copied over everything exactly the same to my laptop, and it worked just fine there. No matter what I choose, either CCE, QUENC, or REJIG, it gives me the same error all the time.

Anyother info you need that might help pin point things at all? It's driving me crazy though, I just can't figure out what's causing this error. I've gone through and reinstalled everthing from start to finish time and time again, and I still get the same overflow error.

robgarib

27th April 2004, 15:21

DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? YES
AviSynth Version : 2.54
Test with "Kill Bill Vol.1 - region 2"
Until version 0.40 no problems.
From 0.40 to 0.45 every dvd stops at the beginning of the first chapter and jump directly to second chapter on my Philips dvd 612.
In my tests i have used dvd+rw from TDK-FUJI-PHILIPS-MEMOREX with the same results.
The same dvd encoded with Instant Copy 8 works perfectly.
Tonight i'll try with version 0.39 and i'll post you tomorrow the results.
Thanks

Joergen

27th April 2004, 15:52

I think I managed to do my first "stutter" disc.

DVD-RB Version: 0.44
Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
Using eclCCE? YES
AviSynth Version : 2.54

The Rock S.E. R2

This project gave me 345 segments (!!), one new segment for almost every time a scene changes. It seemed to encode fine and rebuild fine but on playback it slightly stutters usually when the scene changes (I mean where the film is cut to a new angle etc).

I knew it prolly wasnt a good sign to have ~350 segments many of which are 1MB in size :)

27th April 2004, 15:59

Originally posted by Joergen
This project gave me 345 segments (!!), one new segment for almost every time a scene changes. It seemed to encode fine and rebuild fine but on playback it slightly stutters usually when the scene changes (I mean where the film is cut to a new angle etc).

I knew it prolly wasnt a good sign to have ~350 segments many of which are 1MB in size :)
jdobbs, this seems to be the problem I reported earlier in some detail in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=478071#post478071 I think if a cell does not consist of only I-Frames it is safe to assume that this is normal video and there's no need to split the cell into additional segments.

Joergen

27th April 2004, 16:01

Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, this seems to be the problem I reported earlier in some detail in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=478071#post478071 I think if a cell does not consist of only I-Frames it is safe to assume that this is normal video and there's no need to split the cell into additional segments.

The disc is "special" in that it has full 7.8GB with a 60MB menu, DD and DTS tracks and a 200MB commentary track. One of the sharpest video I've ever seen and probably encoded without the "need" for I-frames?

27th April 2004, 16:05

There are definitely I-Frames, trust me :) Just look at the D2V file I quoted in the post I linked to and compare with yours. I bet they look similar, that is, a lot of 2's on their own line.

Joergen

27th April 2004, 16:07

You're right!

Nothing but 22222 for a 600KB D2V :D

Stream_Type=1,0,0
iDCT_Algorithm=2
YUVRGB_Scale=1
Luminance=128,0
Picture_Size=0,0,0,0,0,0
Field_Operation=0
Frame_Rate=25000
Location=0,0,0,3E81AF

7 0 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 DF 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1D4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2C5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3C7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 4B9 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 5A9 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 699 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 78B 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 884 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 977 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 A67 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 B61 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

etc...........

27th April 2004, 21:42

Originally posted by Joergen
7 0 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 DF 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1D4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2C5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

Hmm, no, that pattern is normal and expected. The first "2" on a line is an I-Frame. Even more puzzling you got such an amount of segments. What I meant was a pattern like this

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
2
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
2 2 2 2
2
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
....

That is, a lot of lines that only have a single 2.

Joergen

27th April 2004, 21:47

Sorry I've never really examined a D2V before :o ;)
There arent alot of lines with a single 2 but some

.......
7 0 2E07A 2
7 0 2E089 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E142 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E1F4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E2A3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E35A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E41E 2
7 0 2E43E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E52C 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E618 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E715 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E817 2 2
........

and then more with 2 2 and 2 2 2

27th April 2004, 22:59

I bet there are around 345 lines with a single 2...

brikin

27th April 2004, 23:11

DVD Rebuilder 0.45
CCE 2.66 Trial

I am backing up X2 and was getting the 0004 error. Now the rebuild completes. When I press play the begining of the movie starts but there is no sound. When it makes it past were the second m2v file would end the video just stops. If I go to the next chapter everything starts playing fine. If I rewind to the part that messes up it basically stops playing like it did before.

If you need to know anything else let me know.

Joergen

27th April 2004, 23:16

Originally posted by RB
I bet there are around 345 lines with a single 2...

If you want to examine it I rarred it up for you.

http://rbfarm.is.dreaming.org/for_rb.rar (leftclick)

jdobbs

28th April 2004, 00:13

Originally posted by RB
I bet there are around 345 lines with a single 2... Either that or 345 different cells.

jdobbs

28th April 2004, 00:14

Originally posted by brikin
DVD Rebuilder 0.45
CCE 2.66 Trial

I am backing up X2 and was getting the 0004 error. Now the rebuild completes. When I press play the begining of the movie starts but there is no sound. When it makes it past were the second m2v file would end the video just stops. If I go to the next chapter everything starts playing fine. If I rewind to the part that messes up it basically stops playing like it did before.

If you need to know anything else let me know. Any preprocessing with another product? Has it worked in your configuration with another DVD?

jhmac

28th April 2004, 00:37

Originally posted by jhmac
I will do "The Hunt For Red October" again tonight and see if there any improvements...

Thanks!

I just finished "The Hunt For Red October" again and the audio still goes out of sync with v0.45.

DVD-RB v0.45
2.67 CCE Basic
Convert 4:3LB to 6:9

Thanks!

jdobbs

28th April 2004, 00:43

Originally posted by jhmac
I just finished "The Hunt For Red October" again and the audio still goes out of sync with v0.45.

DVD-RB v0.45
2.67 CCE Basic
Convert 4:3LB to 6:9

Thanks! Does it do it gradually over time and then click back at the next chapter (I think that's what I recall)? I'm still trying to figure out why it would do that on certain discs. I've only seen it once, and it was very slight.

Does "The Hunt for Red October" have a large synch drift that's easy to see? If so I'll buy a copy just to get to this problem.

EDIT: Forgot to ask -- are you NTSC R1 by any chance?

DDogg

28th April 2004, 02:06

Jdobbs, That brings up a question. I've noticed out of sync on my old Apex 503 after FF. A quick FR fixes it up, but it reminded me of a problem I have seen many times on SVCD when muxing was done by other than BB Avi2mpeg2 muxer (which is the gold standard in my mind). The Apex was a particular, and could always identify a funny mux. I'm not suggesting yours is, but I can just about guarantee you if I demux and remux with BB, it will not do this. I'm thinking if you compared the 'structure' of the two muxes to see if there is any difference? In fact, how do you mux the streams back together now out of curiosity?

wfiguero

28th April 2004, 03:17

DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
Apex AD-1500

Some stutter. It Happens in the two movies that I encode using these version of DVD-RB and only in some chapters. If I jump to the next chapter and then rewind back to the previous chapter and press play , when the movie reach the chapter from were I rewind back its begins to stutter.

If I jump from chapter to chapter it plays fine without stutter. Normal play don't show any stutter its seems to happen only when I use rewind.

I tested a movie that I made with DVD-RB v0.44 and don't have this problem. I will try to do other movie with both versions and see what happen.

robgarib

28th April 2004, 08:19

Dvd: Kill Bill vol. 1 R2
Dvdrb 0.39 +cce sp 2.67.00.23 + eclcee 1.8.1
In my test with version 0.39 i've experienced the same problem:
On Philips dvd 612 at the beginning of chapter 1 the dvd stops and then go directly to chapter 2.
But the dvd encoded with the older versions work perfectly, so now i'll try to come back to version 0.37a (the older version that i have found at the moment) for a new test tonight. But i'm not a programmer and i'm not able to fix the bug; the only thing that i can do is testing if the program works.
Then when i find a working version i'll use it until jdoods writes a new version without this bug.
I inform you that several guys write me private mails because experienced the same bug. It seem happens only with Philips dvd racks.
Bye

jurij

28th April 2004, 09:44

I'm using dvd-rb 0.45

I have found a bug:
-i choose to resize half D1 VTS02 and VTS03
-I save the project.
-i close dvd-rb
-i open dvd-rb
-i load the project i just saved

VTS02 and VTS03 are not flagged in resize half D1 menu.
is that done on purpose?

brikin

28th April 2004, 13:51

Originally posted by jdobbs
Any preprocessing with another product? Has it worked in your configuration with another DVD?

Sorry I did put it through DVD Remake. Others I have done with Remake have worked great. I will try the original tonight.

jdobbs

28th April 2004, 14:20

Originally posted by DDogg
Jdobbs, That brings up a question. I've noticed out of sync on my old Apex 503 after FF. A quick FR fixes it up, but it reminded me of a problem I have seen many times on SVCD when muxing was done by other than BB Avi2mpeg2 muxer (which is the gold standard in my mind). The Apex was a particular, and could always identify a funny mux. I'm not suggesting yours is, but I can just about guarantee you if I demux and remux with BB, it will not do this. I'm thinking if you compared the 'structure' of the two muxes to see if there is any difference? In fact, how do you mux the streams back together now out of curiosity? The problem is you really can't compare the two. Unlike one of the transcoder packages, DVD-RB reauthors completely. The new video is reauthored into a DVD compliant stream from scratch and then the original audio/sub picture streams as merged in appropriately with timing values adjusted to match the video source.

What makes this audio drifting so strange is the fact that I am using the original audio and it is being placed pretty much in the same temporal position as the original DVD. Since it only happens on a few DVDs it can be implied that there is some "special" circumstance that I haven't considered.

Joergen

28th April 2004, 15:43

Perhaps the elusive "stutter" and whats left of it, works differently in some players so that the image stays smooth but the audio creeps out of sync (where other players jerk the image to keep sync with audio). :(

the-warriners

28th April 2004, 16:49

I'd say that theory is worth looking into further.

danjx

28th April 2004, 17:38

1. DVD-R Version: 0.45
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.0.23
3. ECLCCE version: 2.67.0.25
4. Bug encountered: KILL BILL NTSC, Audio_01 6-ch AC3 only;
Half-D1 and Half Space on extras ;
5. Settings: One Click Mode, CCE Mode, Verbose Status,
Dynamic assignment of cell bitrates,
Half-D1 and Half-space for Extras, CCE 4-pass
6. Result: Program ended and closed, displaying Error 9 in small
dialog
7. Comments: Since the program closed, I don't know where the error
occurred. I'll run again to see it I can be more precise.

Later: The Item.ecl file shows this bit of info:
[item]
title=V05000100002001

From the file datetime stamps, it would appear it was working on V05000100002001.vaf and V05000100002001.m2v

I don't know what pass it was on, but the last file changes occurred 3.5 hours after the start of processing. CPU is P4 3.06HT with 256MB.

jdobbs

28th April 2004, 17:48

Originally posted by Joergen
Perhaps the elusive "stutter" and whats left of it, works differently in some players so that the image stays smooth but the audio creeps out of sync (where other players jerk the image to keep sync with audio). :( That's kind of the theory I was working with when initially chasing the stutters. Software players have a tendency to sync off the audio tracks (in case they can't keep up with video) and standalones sync off of video. If everything works okay you can't tell anyway. I sometimes wonder if the occasional stutter is associated with a player that uses the software paradigm... all speculation though.

dancis

29th April 2004, 01:09

Did tombraider 2 today , wich gave a buffer overflow error , and now it goes oke ! so this one is solved.

I am going to try terminator 2 once again , but this time i will leave out the DTS sound track. This one also didn't work with RB 0.45

So one solved , one to go!

nwg

29th April 2004, 01:13

I be surprised if T2 worked ok. It has seamless branching if it is the R1 Ultimate Edition.

A way out would to use DVD Shrink and reauthor one version of the film.

jhmac

29th April 2004, 01:50

Originally posted by jdobbs
Does it do it gradually over time and then click back at the next chapter (I think that's what I recall)? I'm still trying to figure out why it would do that on certain discs. I've only seen it once, and it was very slight.

Does "The Hunt for Red October" have a large synch drift that's easy to see? If so I'll buy a copy just to get to this problem.

EDIT: Forgot to ask -- are you NTSC R1 by any chance?

Yes it does it gradually, At the start of the movie all is fine but as it goes the audio goes out of sync the longer the chapter the more its off, at chapter point it syncs up again. I have noticed that the video seems shorter in time because the mouths move before the audio (if thats make sense) is heard. It is very noticable...

NTSC R1
Convert from LB 4:3 to 16:9
2.67 Basic
V0.45

Thank you for your time JDobbs!

sup191

29th April 2004, 03:33

DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
DVD: Fletch Lives NTSC R1

I have an audio sync problem on just chapter 11 of this DVD. All the other chapters are flawless. I noticed the problem when using InterVideo WinDVD 5 (newest updated version), and am playing the movie off my hard drive. When I play chapter 11 from the original directory that I dumped it to, it plays perfectly. Any clues?

I haven't touched the directory after running the one click, so if you need any info from there, let me know.

Msc_Alex

29th April 2004, 10:23

JDobbs well after about 15 backups I found an other Hiccup, while watching the extra’s after about a minute Quentin Tarantino is badly lip syncing (1 sec.), just before it happens you can see the movie speeds up ~0.1 sec then after a while (next cell?) it’s ok again. (Power DVD)

Made a backup with RB 30, 31 and they were OK then 45,44, 42, 38, 35 they showed the lip sync
I looked at the history and think it happened here:

Apr 10th, 2004 (v0.33) there were many changes, I don’t have any versions between 31-35 can’t check it.

I took a look in the VTS_02_0.IFO

Ifoedit (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5691/ifoed.jpg)

It looks like 27 cells
Version 31 creates 27 AVS files
And
Version 45 creates 32 AVS files ?:confused:
The sync problem happens in this or after this cell
Version 31
File: V02000100001002.AVS
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:02
#------------------
LoadPlugin("D:\DVD_Programes\Frame_servers\Avisynth\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\DVDS\RES\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(812,2424)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

This is what happens in Version 45 (and probably the rest)
File: V02000100001002.AVS
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:02
#------------------
LoadPlugin("D:\DVD_Programes\Frame_servers\Avisynth\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\DVDS\RES\D2VAVS\V02.D2V")
trim(812,896)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Looks a bit shorter, cell problem

azad

29th April 2004, 10:42

DVD-RB 0.4x seems to have a problem with reading or "rebuilding" the correct subtitle timecodes.
After rebuilding the second disc of "LOTR - The Two Towers - SEE" PAL RC2 I noticed that the
forced subtitles are being displayed with a small delay compared to the original DVD. You can also
see that there is a small difference between what the character just says and the time the subtitle
is displayed.
I used VobSub to compare the timecodes of the original DVD and the backup done with DVD-RB.
The difference between each timecode of the original and the backup is +80ms.
Following are some examples of the original and the backup subtitle timecodes read out with VobSub:

Original:
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 1 (PTS: 0)
timestamp: 00:00:04:760, filepos: 000000000
timestamp: 00:00:07:680, filepos: 000001000
timestamp: 00:00:11:360, filepos: 000002000
timestamp: 00:00:14:560, filepos: 000003000
timestamp: 00:00:16:760, filepos: 000003800
timestamp: 00:00:19:080, filepos: 000004800
timestamp: 00:00:21:000, filepos: 000005000
timestamp: 00:00:27:080, filepos: 000006000
timestamp: 00:00:35:040, filepos: 000006800
timestamp: 00:00:37:600, filepos: 000007800
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 2 (PTS: 41680)

Backup:
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 1 (PTS: 0)
timestamp: 00:00:04:840, filepos: 000000000
timestamp: 00:00:07:760, filepos: 000001000
timestamp: 00:00:11:440, filepos: 000002000
timestamp: 00:00:14:640, filepos: 000003000
timestamp: 00:00:16:840, filepos: 000003800
timestamp: 00:00:19:160, filepos: 000004800
timestamp: 00:00:21:080, filepos: 000005000
timestamp: 00:00:27:160, filepos: 000006000
timestamp: 00:00:35:120, filepos: 000006800
timestamp: 00:00:37:680, filepos: 000007800
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 2 (PTS: 41680)

jurij

29th April 2004, 11:56

hello, i would like to post a new bug:

DVD-RB 0.45

I backuped The Mummy
It has 2 VTS of extras (about 1.5 GB) and i choosed half D1 resolution+half bitrate on them.
the result was a 4.488.784.456 bytes DVD.

Can that be so much undersized?
Did anyone noticed my last post about "no VTS flags" in the "half D1 resolution menu" when loading a saved project?

THANX for your patience... :)

dancis

29th April 2004, 12:12

Just finished terminator 2 (region 2) without the DTS sound track and now it finishes without any problems. Can the DTS sound track cause the buffer overflow error???

danjx

29th April 2004, 17:31

1. DVD-R Version: 0.45
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.0.23
3. ECLCCE version: 2.67.0.25
4. Bug encountered: Error 9, Subscript out of range
5. Settings: KILL BILL NTSC, Audio_01 6-ch AC3 only;
Half-D1 and Half Space on extras ,
One Click Mode, CCE Mode, Verbose Status,
Dynamic assignment of cell bitrates,
Half-D1 and Half-space for Extras, CCE 4-pass
6. Result: Program ended, displaying Error 9 in small
dialog, then closed when I clicked OK in the dialog.
7. Comments: Processing VTS_02
-Rebuilding segment 2 VOBIS:3 CELLID:1
____________________________________________
The Item.ecl file shows this bit of info:
[item]
title=V05000100002001

From the file datetime stamps, it would appear it was working on V05000100002001.vaf and V05000100002001.m2v

I'll now try without half-D1 and half space on extras
CPU is P4 3.06HT with 256MB.

danjx

30th April 2004, 02:06

OK, I unchecked the Half-D1 Half Space option, deleted all the work files and hit Transcode again. Everything went well, but I cannot burn the result. I can play it from the hard drive, but when I try to burn it (Nero 6.3.0) I get the following:

DVD-Video files reallocation started.
File'VTS_02_0.VOB' is not referenced and should not be present
DVD-Video files reallocation failed.

Does anyone have a suggestion?
I have not seen anyone report something like this.

robot1

30th April 2004, 02:13

Try deleting the file VTS_02_0.VOB (and do a "Get VTS Sectors" in Ifoedit, to be safe).
Anyway, you could burn with no problem even with that file. Test on a RW.

VampHuntD

30th April 2004, 06:08

And don't use Nero, it's bad for DVD

30th April 2004, 10:41

That's not true. Nero 6.3.0.0+ works FINE for DVD. I've done over 100 DVD backups burned with Nero and they ALL work as they should.

-tf

Fr4nz

30th April 2004, 13:38

Having or not that vob is ininfluent: just burn the dvd and ignore any warning.

daxab

30th April 2004, 16:39

DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using eclCCE? Y
DVD: Big Fish R1

DVD Decryptor 3.2.2.0

Run-time error '9': Subscript out of range

Log:
...
- Updated IFO: VTS_09_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_10
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1

SAPSTAR

30th April 2004, 17:43

Originally posted by daxab
DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using eclCCE? Y
DVD: Big Fish R1

DVD Decryptor 3.2.2.0

Run-time error '9': Subscript out of range

Log:
...
- Updated IFO: VTS_09_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_10
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1

Check the bitrate of this particular segment, if it's under 1000bps, put 1500bps, reencode, then rebuild. It always worked for me. (if the cell can be at 1500bps without increasing too much the space...)

lab-one

30th April 2004, 18:19

@daxab

PAL or NTSC? I backed this up with the same using CCE SP 2.50, DVD Decryptor file mode, NTSC R1. No problems at all.

lab-one

30th April 2004, 18:21

@sapstar

I have run into that using ECL Optimiser, lowered the bitrate on extras to below 1000 and CCE hangs during the encode. It will hange forever until it is cancelled. Upped the BR to 1200 and it went fine. Does CCE not handle BR's below 1000 well?

daxab

30th April 2004, 19:12

@lab-one
NTSC R1.

@SAPSTAR
Here's what the .ecl says:
vbr_brate_avg=879
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
So I can't very well put the min at 1500. Hmm.

But then I'm looking at the previous VTS (9), and I see:
vbr_brate_avg=1123
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
And that worked fine.

I have "Half-D1 and Half Space For Extras" checked.

lab-one

30th April 2004, 19:18

@daxab

I did not use the half d1 option. However, CCE hung on VTS_09 when I had it under 1000 BR. When I redid it above 1000 BR, it worked fine.

daxab

30th April 2004, 21:17

Ok, I re-encoded the troublesome cell with a new minimum (100 instead of 0). This got rid of the first error. Now I have a new interesting failure, apparently in a later cell in the same VOB:

"Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer."

The log says:
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID:1 CELLID:8
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...

jdobbs

30th April 2004, 22:52

I need a general concensus on this... should I set the average bitrate to something above 1000? Just a warning -- if you are planning to tell me to set the minimum bitrate above 1000 it would be a waste of breath...

Should it be set only for Half-D1 or all encodings?

The reason I hesitate on this is that I have been encoding with a minimum bitrate of 0 since I got my first copy of CCE back in 2001 and I've never had it fail due to a low bitrate... That includes DVD material, half-d1 material, SVCD material, and even VCD... my instinct is telling me there is something else wrong here.

I do have an open mind, though.

daxab

1st May 2004, 00:51

I am trying to get past the "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer." error by reencoding with a different minimum bitrate -- and it seems to help, but then triggers another problem.

I reencoded the cell where the problem was (vob 10/cell 1), but then a new failure appeared in a later cell in the same VOB (as noted previously). Reading the log, it appears that the reason the "Error in UpdateIFO" happens is because, the first cell is now skipped -- it starts with segment 1/vob 10/cell 2 instead of segment 0/vob 10/cell 1.

VampHuntD

1st May 2004, 01:03

Originally posted by tf
That's not true. Nero 6.3.0.0+ works FINE for DVD. I've done over 100 DVD backups burned with Nero and they ALL work as they should.

-tf

Yes it works, however you are way more liekly to have issues with it later that's all. Nero does funky stuff regarding dvd structure.

daxab

1st May 2004, 02:16

Update: I re-encoded the first cell, the one that originally caused the Run-time error 9. This time, instead of a minimum of 100, I used a minimum of 500.

The rebuild finished!

I'm not 100% sure that there isn't something else going on, because while trying to make this work I re-encoded every other cell in the VOB as well. But this seems to be what made the difference.

jdobbs

1st May 2004, 02:49

I think it is very possible that this whole bitrate chase might be a snipe hunt. So far I hear it being blamed for "this shouldn't happen" error -- which can only happen when someone is messing with the source files between passes. I here it is causing '9' errors, which aren't really related at all to the bitrate (unless the output is 100% bad -- which would be easy to recognize as the .M2V files wouldn't play either).

jdobbs

1st May 2004, 02:51

Originally posted by daxab
Update: I re-encoded the first cell, the one that originally caused the Run-time error 9. This time, instead of a minimum of 100, I used a minimum of 500.

The rebuild finished!

I'm not 100% sure that there isn't something else going on, because while trying to make this work I re-encoded every other cell in the VOB as well. But this seems to be what made the difference. Could you do me a favor and recode that section at 100 and see if it can be played back using Windows Media Player?

daxab

1st May 2004, 05:15

Originally posted by jdobbs
I think it is very possible that this whole bitrate chase might be a snipe hunt.Right. One possibility is that when the person re-encodes, the reason it helps is because they overwrite a bogus .mpv file with a good one -- and that the minimum bitrate has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by jdobbs
Could you do me a favor and recode that section at 100 and see if it can be played back using Windows Media Player?I'm redoing the entire encode right now (it was undersized by 200MB). Should be done tomorrow AM. If I run into the same problem again, I'll try viewing the .mpv file in Windows Media Player with min=0, min=100, and min=500, and see if there is any difference.

wmansir

1st May 2004, 05:28

Originally posted by jdobbs
I think it is very possible that this whole bitrate chase might be a snipe hunt.

I think you may be right there. I've only encountered #9 once and all I did was re-encode the segment causing the error and rebuild (and it worked). I didn't change anything from previous encode, just copied the job out of the rebuilder.ECL and pasted into item.ecl, then encoded the job manually with CCE.

robot1

1st May 2004, 10:36

I have error 9 in 1 DVD using Rejig engine.
If I use the original cell (renaming it from MPV to M2V) I get an
"Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer."
(Why, that's the original structure???)
If I reencode the cell with CCE the rebuild finish without problem.
Anyway, both rejigged cell and original cell plays with no problem in Windows Media Player.

jdobbs

1st May 2004, 12:45

The '9' error on REBUILD that seemed to be related to bitrate was found and fixed and will be posted in Version 0.46. It was caused by a group of reference frames that all coexisted in the same output sector... CCE was at no fault whatsoever -- my code was checking against an incorrect index value.

jdobbs

1st May 2004, 12:49

Originally posted by azad
DVD-RB 0.4x seems to have a problem with reading or "rebuilding" the correct subtitle timecodes.
After rebuilding the second disc of "LOTR - The Two Towers - SEE" PAL RC2 I noticed that the
forced subtitles are being displayed with a small delay compared to the original DVD. You can also
see that there is a small difference between what the character just says and the time the subtitle
is displayed.
I used VobSub to compare the timecodes of the original DVD and the backup done with DVD-RB.
The difference between each timecode of the original and the backup is +80ms.
Following are some examples of the original and the backup subtitle timecodes read out with VobSub:

Original:
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 1 (PTS: 0)
timestamp: 00:00:04:760, filepos: 000000000
timestamp: 00:00:07:680, filepos: 000001000
timestamp: 00:00:11:360, filepos: 000002000
timestamp: 00:00:14:560, filepos: 000003000
timestamp: 00:00:16:760, filepos: 000003800
timestamp: 00:00:19:080, filepos: 000004800
timestamp: 00:00:21:000, filepos: 000005000
timestamp: 00:00:27:080, filepos: 000006000
timestamp: 00:00:35:040, filepos: 000006800
timestamp: 00:00:37:600, filepos: 000007800
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 2 (PTS: 41680)

Backup:
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 1 (PTS: 0)
timestamp: 00:00:04:840, filepos: 000000000
timestamp: 00:00:07:760, filepos: 000001000
timestamp: 00:00:11:440, filepos: 000002000
timestamp: 00:00:14:640, filepos: 000003000
timestamp: 00:00:16:840, filepos: 000003800
timestamp: 00:00:19:160, filepos: 000004800
timestamp: 00:00:21:080, filepos: 000005000
timestamp: 00:00:27:160, filepos: 000006000
timestamp: 00:00:35:120, filepos: 000006800
timestamp: 00:00:37:680, filepos: 000007800
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 2 (PTS: 41680) I agree this could be a problem -- but not necessarily. DVD-RB reauthors from scratch... so the timestamp doesn't always match (e.g. if the video/audio streams were shifted a few milliseconds the subpicture would be also). That typically doesn't happen, but I have seen more than one original DVD whose timecodes were incorrect (I know that sounds strange - but I went in and manually calculated what they should be) that I've had to insert code in DVD-RB to find and correct.

daxab

2nd May 2004, 07:23

DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using EclCCE? Y
DVD: Love Actually NTSC R1

I have Half-D1 manually selected on some VOBs. On those VOBs, the audio sync is way off: It starts out fine, and over the course of the chapter, drifts worse and worse. Appears to resync at the next cell. It's very obvious since the VOB is an extra with a guy talking.

The main movie appears to be in generally good sync, but I did notice one or two minor spots, so it might not be related to Half-D1. But these might have also been sync problems in the original movie.

robgarib

2nd May 2004, 13:09

Please Jdobbs tell me if you made any changement in version 0.46 that can fix my problem with dvd rebuilder and Philips dvd 612?
(With the latest versions every dvd encoded with dvdrb stops at the beginning of the first chapter and jump directly to the second chapter).

dragongodz

2nd May 2004, 13:21

jdobbs - the "bug" in the rebuilder.txt and internal readme i messaged you about before still exists. :D

jdobbs

2nd May 2004, 13:56

Originally posted by dragongodz
jdobbs - the "bug" in the rebuilder.txt and internal readme i messaged you about before still exists. :D Whoops. I thought I'd changed it right after the PM... I'll go in and change it now. :)

DDogg

2nd May 2004, 14:58

J, as expected "IJob" finished fine using 1/2-1/2. Thanks much for dealing with that pesky '9'. Since you now have this source, I wonder if you could check the 'driving school' extra, and the following extra about minis. Using powerDVD, I have audio sync errors in both, although the second will come back into sync after a scene change at some stage.

/Add: Also out of sync on standalone. As I simply used the original disk in ISO form and hit "transcode", you should be able to recreate.

Gee, after "IJob" you will need to drink a bottle of "Good Key-an-ti", slurp, slurp, slurp.

NobbyNobbs

2nd May 2004, 15:29

@JDobbs

If you want to test a DVD where the "Buffer overflow #0004 " still shows up, try the NTSC version of one of the Babylon 5 season 4 discs.
Have tried these both original + one version, where I have "hidden" PGC 1 in the first VTS set with DVD Remake, ( PGC 1 corresponds with the play button, so all vob/cell id´s here are reused later for the individual episodes).
I have backed it up sucessfully with the "Big Three", (after using DVD ReMake)
The last version I tried it with was 0.45, and it almost finished writing the first big VOB, it get quite a bit furthe into the rebuild process than the earlier versions.

(If you don´t own the Babylon 5 series, what are you waiting for ? anybody who likes SciFi need to own this :D :D )

sup191

2nd May 2004, 18:24

wfiguero

2nd May 2004, 19:45

Originally posted by wfiguero
DVD-RB Version: 0.45
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
Apex AD-1500

Some stutter. It Happens in the two movies that I encode using these version of DVD-RB and only in some chapters. If I jump to the next chapter and then rewind back to the previous chapter and press play , when the movie reach the chapter from were I rewind back its begins to stutter.

If I jump from chapter to chapter it plays fine without stutter. Normal play don't show any stutter its seems to happen only when I use rewind.

I tested a movie that I make with DVD-RB v0.44 and don't have this problem. I will try to do other movie with both versions and see what happen.

I tried versions .44, .45 .46 with different movies and it seems that the problem only happens in the same two movies House of Sand and Fog and Hounted Mansion. It happens only in some chapters.

Thanks

brikin

3rd May 2004, 01:18

DVDRebuilder 0.45 I am getting audio/video stutter throughout the movie. These are not at chapter points. I am also getting the audio sync problem after 10 minutes. You hear people talk then see there mouths move.

VampHuntD

3rd May 2004, 12:03

Originally posted by sup191
DVD-RB Version: 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.27
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
DVD: Fletch Lives NTSC R1

I have an audio sync problem on just chapter 11 of this DVD. All the other chapters are flawless. I noticed the problem when using InterVideo WinDVD 5 (newest updated version), and am playing the movie off my hard drive. When I play chapter 11 from the original directory that I dumped it to, it plays perfectly. Any clues?

I haven't touched the directory after running the one click, so if you need any info from there, let me know.

** Updated **
I posted this a few days back, but have since upgraded my DVD-RB and CCE version and get the same results. Chapter 11's audio is still off by a fraction of a second.

I dunno if this is true for everyone but when I play a reauthor off a hard drive in any dvd program, it seems to throw audio off, try burning to an rw disc and see if it's still there.

robgarib

3rd May 2004, 12:06

DVD-RB Version: 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
DVD: Kill-Bill Vol. 1 RC2

I have made a test with the latest version but i noticed the same error of the other versions (Dvd on my Philips dvd612 stops at the beginning of the first chapter and jump directly to the second chapter)

Msc_Alex

3rd May 2004, 15:29

@sup191

I posted a similar problem right after your first sync post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=483776&highlight=Reservoir+Dogs#post483776)
Do you have a older version of RB (below 0.33) to check if that one works ?
And if it works, could you count the number of avs files created by the 2 versions ?
Thx

sup191

3rd May 2004, 16:31

Originally posted by Msc_Alex
@sup191

I posted a similar problem right after your first sync post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=483776&highlight=Reservoir+Dogs#post483776)
Do you have a older version of RB (below 0.33) to check if that one works ?
And if it works, could you count the number of avs files created by the 2 versions ?
Thx

I don't keep any of the older versions when I grab the new ones. I probably will start doing so however. I can't remember exactly which version it stopped at, but I had bad stuttering problems with some early .3x versions. I could rerun it through whatever version you wan tme to if you send it to me.

Oldeman

3rd May 2004, 17:21

DVD-RB: .46
QuEnc: .49
error during encoding at endof movie (after credits)Master and Commander:

QuEnc error popup: could not open video codec vts 06 seg 66.

pressed ok/ exit and rebuild starts and continues to the last segment then dies...

The created VIDEO_TS plays find until the end of the credits, then stops.

Relevant rebuild log...

Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=0
Encode_Progress=67
................
[V06006500002029]
SCR=372850920.410
PTS=372912423.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=10649
Last_Sector=3686984
Reduction=67.9
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0
EndPTM=412886858.000

[V06006600003001]
SCR=.000
PTS=45045.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=1
Last_Sector=3686988
Reduction=67.9
Aspect_Ratio=3
HalfD1=0
EndPTM=90090.000

Great job on ver.46 Fixed several run time errors for me.
Its all good....:)

nwg

3rd May 2004, 18:53

Quenc 050 doesn't seem to like DVD-RB 046. The prepare goes fine but when encoding it just does all the segments in a few seconds and Quenc doesn't appear. It finishes at 100%.

I tried Quenc 049 and it worked as expected.

jdobbs

3rd May 2004, 19:09

That ain't good. I guess I'll need to check that tonight. My guess would be that the libavcodec.dll file (that is now separated from the EXE) is not being found.

sup191

4th May 2004, 00:03

Originally posted by Msc_Alex
@sup191

I posted a similar problem right after your first sync post here
Do you have a older version of RB (below 0.33) to check if that one works ?
And if it works, could you count the number of avs files created by the 2 versions ?
Thx

Both version .30 and .46 created 20 .avs files.

deh707

4th May 2004, 03:08

why do the subtitles come on by default on my dvd-r backup of the matrix revolutions?

i used cce 2.50 and dvd-rb .46

lab-one

4th May 2004, 03:16

@deh707

NTSC or PAL? What region? Any pre-processing?

deh707

4th May 2004, 03:17

NTSC, R1, what is pre-processing?

lab-one

4th May 2004, 03:18

Pre-processing...removing parts of the DVD with an app such as DVDShrink. I backed-up the same movie without any problems.

deh707

4th May 2004, 03:19

no, i used dvddecryptor in FILE mode to rip the entire VIDEO_TS folder

oh yeah, did u get an 0byte file Vts_02_0.VOB?

it was on the original VIDEO_TS folder, and then the backup VIDEO_TS folder

Oldeman

4th May 2004, 03:22

DVD-RB .46
QuEnc .49

sync problems and audio dropouts (English 5.1 DD track) throughout movie. If you do chapter advance, they (audio+video) re-sync and fairly quicky get out of sync again. Others have reported similar problems I think.

I have not experienced this audio sync problem when using ReJig.

In earlier versions of DVD-RB, when using QuEnc, I had stutter problems with the video. These appear to gone now and I'm seeing the audio sync/dropout problems whereas with the video stutter, they were not that evident.

The QuEnc video looks very smooth and good now....

It's almost there...

lab-one

4th May 2004, 03:23

It seems everyone that has mentioned that movie has come across the 0byte VOB. It appears it gives Nero fits. I use ImageToolClassic to create an ISO after DVD-RB is done and then burn it with DVDDecryptor. So, that file didn't give me any problems.

insanescape

4th May 2004, 04:20

Nero cries, but it doesn't affect the functionality of the DVD. And it has nothing to do with DVD-RB: If you decrypt a dvd with 0 bytes and right away take the folder into nero, it still whines.

DVD works fine though

wgw

4th May 2004, 04:52

JDOBBS,

If I delete the source path that was set in rebuilder for the last run, the next time I open rebuilder, it completely resets the .ini and I lose all my paths and custon settings. Can you set it up so that rebuilder only blanks out the paths that no longer exist rather than reseting the entire .ini file.

kadilak

4th May 2004, 13:43

With version 0.46 I'm still seeing DVD-RB take up about 30% of the processor while it's waiting on CCE. This strikes me as strange because in previous versions it only took 20-25%.

onesoul

4th May 2004, 15:03

DVD-RB 0.46
CCE 2.67.00.27
DVD: Monty Python, Meaning of life - special edition (PAL)

At the menu I select "With Prologue" which is presented by Eric Idle but after the introduction finishes it freezes when it was supposed to carry on to the "Our Feature Presentation", I have no option than to push menu button. Then I select "Play Movie" but there seems to be the same problem when changing from "Our Short Feature Presentation" to next chapter which is when "Our Feature Presentation" begins. The rest of chapters are ok. This doesn't happen with PC dvd software and neither original at stand alone.

edit: it seems that it also freezes at the end of movie not going to menu.

Regards

jdobbs

4th May 2004, 15:18

Originally posted by kadilak
With version 0.46 I'm still seeing DVD-RB take up about 30% of the processor while it's waiting on CCE. This strikes me as strange because in previous versions it only took 20-25%. Now theres a step forward... maybe my next step toward processor allocation improvement will bring it up to 40%!

insanescape

4th May 2004, 15:58

just tell everyone it's DVD-RB "monitoring" CCE to make sure it stays in line, since everyone knows that CCE is like the cowboy encoder and likes to do its own thing if you're not watchign.

danjx

4th May 2004, 19:10

No error 9 with Kill Bill on DVDRB v.46 with half d1 and half space for extras. The results look fine.

sup191

4th May 2004, 23:46

@Msc_Alex

I've tried recoding Fletch Lives with DVD-RB .30 with the exact same settings as .46 and the audio sync is still off for only chapter 11.

@jdobbs

Any insight on to why just one chapter displays audio sync issues? The original DVD dump on my hard drive works perfectly.

swmiller

5th May 2004, 00:12

I am using
DVD Rebuilder V 0.45 & 0.46
CCE SP V2.67
ECLCCE V1.81
Encoding Frailty & Gladiator

On Gladiator it reached the end 100% of rebuild phase before the error (I was using DVD_RB V 0.45 on that movie) UpdateIFO Failed should not happen contact developer. With Frality (DVD_RB V 0.46) It gives me the same error at 65.2% of rebuild phase.
I tried to uninstall everything and reinstalled it all and got the same error in the same spot.

wgw

5th May 2004, 03:38

Originally posted by wgw
JDOBBS,

If I delete the source path that was set in rebuilder for the last run, the next time I open rebuilder, it completely resets the .ini and I lose all my paths and custon settings. Can you set it up so that rebuilder only blanks out the paths that no longer exist rather than reseting the entire .ini file.

Hmmm, after futher testing the problem is no longer happening. Do you know what might cause DVDRebuilder to reset the ini file. I have not changed anything in my setup. I am using RBFarm so perhaps something is happening as a result. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

mpennel

5th May 2004, 04:33

DVD-RB appears to not be setting the flag for Half D1 correctly when doing batch processing. I'm setting up a batch process to run overnight, and some of the saved projects are in half-D1, and some aren't. It appears that DVDRB may not be reading the saved information about whether I want half-D1 ON or OFF, but instead of keeping Half-D1 ON for all the batch processling if it is turned ON in the drop down under MODE...it's hard to explain, and it's still quirky, since I'm just messing with it. Regardless, it is related to this problem:

Anyhow, in additon to that batch weirdness, it appears that if I save out a project with Half-D1 turned OFF, and then load in a project with Half-D1 turned ON, and the reload the project with Half-D1 turned OFF again, the drop down still check-marks Half-D1, leaving it ON when I want it OFF. Does this make any sense?

Thus, I did the above, just to make sure my drive paths were correct, etc, and hit process the batch job, and DVD-RB instantly told me it was using Half-D1 for Extras, when I had clearly saved out my first batch job with Half D1 turned OFF!

Whew, now I'm confused. :D I hope I've described the problem enough for others to try to recreate, which should be easy enough, since it's just a matter of saving and loading project files.

Mark

RobertR

6th May 2004, 12:19

Originally posted by RobertR
To cheer You up a bit i'll say that
DVD-RB 0.43b
QuEnc 0.45
Finding Nemo Extras Disc R2 Polish Edition
rebuilded without any probs. No crashing, no errors, no problems with single frame encodes. Superb!
Disc doesn't work tho but it's my fault.. I didn't check it earlier.. this dvd has menu in VTS_01_1.VOB! :( It uses BOV i suppose (is there any other way of doing menu in _1.VOB ?) so it won't work with DVD-RB.
Stupid me :)
Might seem kinda stupid to answer own posts but just wanted to say that i've redid that Extras Disc with DVD-RB 0.46 and QuEnc and all the BoV in it work perfectly ok (and there are quite some of them there). I've seen someone (RB?) mentioning Philips not liking DVD RB produced backups. I've tested my backup on Philips 737 and there was no problem either.

JDobbs big, great, huge THANK YOU for this awsome app.

loosenut

6th May 2004, 20:05

Originally posted by RobertR
To cheer You up a bit i'll say that
DVD-RB 0.43b
QuEnc 0.45
Finding Nemo Extras Disc R2 Polish Edition
.............
I've seen someone (RB?) mentioning Philips not liking DVD RB produced backups.
I've tested my backup on Philips 737 and there was no problem either.

All the people reporting problem with Philips (myself included), use CCE.
Me and robgarib (still) have problems on a Philips 743 and 612.
Husage reports succes on a Philips 727 with CCE SP Trial 2.66.
I have tried that, same results :(
Both you (RobertR) and Huesage have the newer Philips models (727, 737)
Me and robgarib have older models.
I suspect it's a Philips glitch, and since they are outdated, there's no hope for a FW update. :( :(

robgarib

7th May 2004, 07:58

I've seen someone (RB?) mentioning Philips not liking DVD RB produced backups.
I've tested my backup on Philips 737 and there was no problem either.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All the people reporting problem with Philips (myself included), use CCE.
Me and robgarib (still) have problems on a Philips 743 and 612.
Husage reports succes on a Philips 727 with CCE SP Trial 2.66.
I have tried that, same results
Both you (RobertR) and Huesage have the newer Philips models (727, 737)
Me and robgarib have older models.
I suspect it's a Philips glitch, and since they are outdated, there's no hope for a FW update.

Unfortunately the problem is not related to CCE but in Dvdrb itself.
I've got the same problem using dvbrb with Quenc 049 while using transcoders (IC8 - Dvd shrink - Dcs - Clonedvd2) everything works well.
The strange thing is that some weeks ago in the tests with the older versions of dvdrb i have made some perfect copies (Matrix revolutions - Swat - Mona Lisa smile).
Please Jdobbs try to correct this bug.
I like dvdrb and i wish to use it.
Thanks.

b1ackmai1er

7th May 2004, 13:03

@wgw

I also have had an instance of the rebuilder .ini file being cleared and had to redo my configuration.

I am also using Rb Farm.

Regards b1m1

lamster

8th May 2004, 01:11

DVD RB 0.46
QuENC 0.51
Verbose status window
One-click mode
Dynamically assign...
Half-D1...

Backing up DragonHeart. On the last segment (# 34 of VTS_02), QuENC said "Could not open Video Codec". After I cleared that, Rebuilder started phase III, and ended with "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer".

The last thing in the Rebuilder window is:
- Rebuilding segment 33 VOBID:13 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS.

loosenut

9th May 2004, 22:15

Originally posted by robgarib
The strange thing is that some weeks ago in the tests with the older versions of dvdrb i have made some perfect copies (Matrix revolutions - Swat - Mona Lisa smile).
Please Jdobbs try to correct this bug.
I like dvdrb and i wish to use it.
Thanks.
I have had some of those too. They worked OK on the 743, except the stuttering on chapter change was HUGE.

Oldeman

10th May 2004, 06:03

DVD-RB .47
QuEnc .51
dynamic bit rates
one click
Movies rebuild with no errors.
I am still having sync problems and audio dropouts in my Toshiba DVD players using DVD-RB/QuEnc. The audio gets progressivly ahead of the video. Skippping to a new chapter gets it back in sync briefly.

This problem does not occur or is minimal on my Apex1500 and my Philips DVDR75 Recorder/player..

Any ideas?

DVD-RB/ReJig movies do not have this problem.

DVD-RB just keeps getting better and better........

beretta79

10th May 2004, 06:57

Rebuilding the Sopranos - Season 1 Disc 1
Works fine to rebuild the original rip. But I tried removing the opening credit scenes from each episode using DvdRemake and I get a buffer overflow error 0003. I've also tried running it through DVD Shrink with no compression after DvdRemake with the same result. It plays fine on PowerDVD after using DvdRemake. This has happened with every version of DVD-RB up to the current 0.47.

I've preprocessed using DvdRemake and/or DVD Shrink many times with complete success, except for this one DVD. I've also read about many others having success preprocessing. So I'm just wondering if there's anything I can do to make this work, or if I have to settle with no preprocessing on the Sopranos. Thanks.

jhmac

10th May 2004, 10:23

Try running it through DVDRemake after DVD-RB it worked for me in a simalar situation...

RobertR

10th May 2004, 11:26

Originally posted by loosenut
All the people reporting problem with Philips (myself included), use CCE.
Me and robgarib (still) have problems on a Philips 743 and 612.
Husage reports succes on a Philips 727 with CCE SP Trial 2.66.
I have tried that, same results :(
Both you (RobertR) and Huesage have the newer Philips models (727, 737)
Me and robgarib have older models.
I suspect it's a Philips glitch, and since they are outdated, there's no hope for a FW update. :( :(
Right now i'm reencoding those Nemo extras using CCE (SP Trial 2.67.0.27 -- btw RB switching to it solved my problem of CCE crashing on single I-frames). Later today i'll test this on 737 and on 743 of my neighbour and report how did it behave.
As for FW update You might just check with some local service-center or look at http://philips.ianc.net

swmiller

10th May 2004, 15:56

Originally posted by lamster
DVD RB 0.46
QuENC 0.51
Verbose status window
One-click mode
Dynamically assign...
Half-D1...

Backing up DragonHeart. On the last segment (# 34 of VTS_02), QuENC said "Could not open Video Codec". After I cleared that, Rebuilder started phase III, and ended with "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer".

The last thing in the Rebuilder window is:
- Rebuilding segment 33 VOBID:13 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS.

DVD RB 0.47
CCE SP 2.67
One Click mode
Dynamically Assign Bitrate
Windows xp Pro Service pack I
AMD 2000+ - 512mb Ram

Same problem with Waterworld back-up. Last segment I get the following error "CCE SP TRIAL encountered an error and must close". Rebuilder how ever shows the encode 100% complete. Then during rebuild stage also at 100% I get "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer".

lamster

10th May 2004, 21:14

Originally posted by lamster
DVD RB 0.46
QuENC 0.51
[...]
QuENC said "Could not open Video Codec". After I cleared that, Rebuilder started phase III, and ended with "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer".

Apparently the "Could not open Video Codec" is a known problem; there's a thread on it in the QuENC forum.

The "Error in UpdateIFO" happened again (on a different DVD), this time with no QuENC error.

Last thing in window:
- Rebuilding segment 48 VOBID:56 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
-----------------------------------------------------
That was the last segment in VTS_01.
Directory includes:
05/09/2004 01:30p 239 V01004800056001.AVS
05/09/2004 01:30p 46 V01004800056001.FLG
05/10/2004 04:21a 60,653 V01004800056001.m2v
05/09/2004 01:30p 17,168 V02.D2V
05/09/2004 01:30p 232 V02000000001001.AVS
05/09/2004 01:30p 5,805 V02000000001001.FLG
05/10/2004 04:39a 89,882,803 V02000000001001.m2v
05/09/2004 01:30p 235 V02000100002001.AVS
05/09/2004 01:30p 46 V02000100002001.FLG

Contents of V01004800056001.AVS:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:56, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD_VIDEOS\CURRENT_PROJECT_DISC_1\REBUILT\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(208933,208978)
ConvertToYV12()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

jlink7

11th May 2004, 04:49

The "Error in UpdateIFO" happened again (on a different DVD), this time with no QuENC error.

Happened with me, also, on the 24 Season 1 DVD.

Also, I got the "Unknown video codec" error as well, but ONLY on the last two segments. The encoding was already at 98% or so done already.

jdobbs

11th May 2004, 10:47

If the encoding fails -- the liklihood of getting a good rebuild is very low. The "Error in IFOUpdate" is because after the encoding error, the original DVD no longer matches what you have encoded, and the rebuilder gets confused.

RobertR

11th May 2004, 15:49

Originally posted by RobertR
Right now i'm reencoding those Nemo extras using CCE (SP Trial 2.67.0.27 -- btw RB switching to it solved my problem of CCE crashing on single I-frames). Later today i'll test this on 737 and on 743 of my neighbour and report how did it behave.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to test it as DVD RB aborted during rebuild phase with Error #4. It was on segment 5 of vobid 6 in vts 6. It's not a still frame it's intro animation for some puzzle game. As soon as i got that error i've checked .avs and .m2v. AVS was playable but M2V gave me "Error rendering file" in Media Player Classic. I've butchered (copy of) REBUILDER.ecl and encoded just that particular file. This time m2v was playable but DVD RB still aborts with #4 error.
I've tested this with 0.46 and 0.47 of DVD RB; CCE 2.67.0.27, EclCCE 1.8.1. The disc is Finding Nemo R2 PAL (Polish edition). No deinterlacing or 1/2D1 was checked. Just the "Dynamicaly assign..."
DVD was ripped to iso file using DVDDecrypter 3.2.2.0 and mounted using Daemon Tools. I'll try to rip it to files and rerun DVD RB and see how it will go this time

11th May 2004, 15:51

Finding Nemo uses seamless branch afair and DVD-RB doesn't support this - yet (afair).

-tf

RobertR

11th May 2004, 16:07

Sorry i'm a bit hungry atm and i've eaten one word:
extras.
I'm trying to back up Extras of Finding Nemo R2 PAL (PL edition).
(strangely enough this dvd backed up perfectly when using QuEnc -- i just wasn't satisfied with the quality of animated parts)

sup191

14th May 2004, 00:25

DVD-RB Version: 0.46
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.27
Using eclCCE? Y 1.81
DVD: Fletch Lives NTSC R1

I have an audio sync problem on just chapter 11 of this DVD. All the other chapters are flawless. I noticed the problem when using InterVideo WinDVD 5 (newest updated version), and am playing the movie off my hard drive. When I play chapter 11 from the original directory that I dumped it to, it plays perfectly. Any clues?

I haven't touched the directory after running the one click, so if you need any info from there, let me know.

** Updated **
I posted this a few days back, but have since upgraded my DVD-RB and CCE version and get the same results. Chapter 11's audio is still off by a fraction of a second.

** Update #2 **
I just reran Fletch Lives with .48 and the audio in chapter is better, but still off by a hair. I don't know the the ff/rw fix effected this or not, but I'm getting a slightly different result. I also have the same exact problem with The Thin Red Line in chapter 1. I've done about 5 other movies since my last update and they all work fine with no audio sync problems.

Joergen

14th May 2004, 00:41

Are you sure its not like that in the original DVD? A suspicious mind can see and hear funny things ;)

How does it work in a standalone?

lamster

14th May 2004, 05:05

Originally posted by jdobbs
If the encoding fails -- the liklihood of getting a good rebuild is very low. The "Error in IFOUpdate" is because after the encoding error, the original DVD no longer matches what you have encoded, and the rebuilder gets confused.

I assume this doesn't apply to my second post (10th May 2004 16:14), where I wrote "this time with no QuENC error."

Also, I got a different error with 0.47 - again with no error from QuENC. This time, I got a pop-up saying "Improper VIDEO_TS.IFO file. ABORTING"

The last thing in the status window is:
- Updated IFO: VTS_04_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...

After clearing the pop-up, the status window added:

Phase III, REBUILD completed in 240 minutes.

Done.
-----------------------------------------------------

When I went to check the VIDEO_TS.IFO, there was none in my source directory, and there was a 0-byte one in my Rebuilder target directory. I have no idea why there wasn't one in the source directory; might have been nice if this was checked up-front rather than after 36 hours of chugging away. (It would really be nice if the program had grabbed the BUP file instead, but that would be "exceeding expectations".)

Can I get it to finish up the rebuild phase without having to redo everthing?

Thanks.

sup191

14th May 2004, 05:25

Originally posted by Joergen
Are you sure its not like that in the original DVD? A suspicious mind can see and hear funny things ;)

How does it work in a standalone?

I'm guessing you're referring to my post. So many posts in this thread, one can easily get confused! :)

Yes. I've run the original and backup both on WinDVD and my Sony standalone DVD player. For the backups, Chapter 11 in Fletch Lives and Chapter 1 in Thin Red Line both have audio lip sync issues. The originals play fine in both. It's VERY obvious in TRL. Every other chapter works fine. I did a backup of The Fugitive and The Fifth Element last night and they came out perfect.

NobbyNobbs

14th May 2004, 05:27

Just delete the final VIDEO_TS folder,make a copy of the original VIDEO_TS.BUP, and rename to VIDEO_TS.BUP, then choose rebuild again :D

lamster

18th May 2004, 22:36

Got another "Shouldn't happen"; this time with v0.49. Still using QuENC 0.51. Last thing in the status window was:

- Rebuilding segment 48 VOBID:56 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...

That corresponds with the end of VTS_01.

I note that the source directory doesn't contains a VTS_02_0.VOB or VTS_03_1.VOB; it looks like:

...
VTS_01_6.VOB
VTS_02_0.BUP
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_1.VOB
VTS_03_0.BUP
VTS_03_0.IFO
VTS_03_1.VOB

Could this be the cause of the problem?

I tried creating 0-byte VTS_02_0.VOB and VTS_03_1.VOB and rerunning the Rebuild phase, and got the same error.

jdobbs

19th May 2004, 00:16

@lamster

What version of DVD Decrypter are you using?

lamster

19th May 2004, 00:27

Originally posted by jdobbs
What version of DVD Decrypter are you using?

That's a tough one. I just upgraded to 3.2.2.0 last night. One of the machines I'm working with was at 3.2.1.0; the other one was running an older version. I don't recall exactly which one. (Maybe 3.1.7? I'll see if I still have the older SetupDVDDecrypter_3.x.y.z.exe on that machine when I get home.)

Joergen

20th May 2004, 01:55

Originally posted by Joergen
DVD-RB Version: 0.44
Encoder being used: CCE 2.66
Using eclCCE? YES
AviSynth Version : 2.54

This project gave me 345 segments (!!), one new segment for almost every time a scene changes. It seemed to encode fine and rebuild fine but on playback it slightly stutters usually when the scene changes (I mean where the film is cut to a new angle etc).

I have confirmed that 0.49 fixes this problem alltogether (even though jdobbs in his modesty didnt mention this in the readme). Prepare gives only 33 segments and no more stutter on playback at scene(segment) changes.

This movie was the largest reduction I've done yet by percentage (53.7%) but the average bitrate was still 3.950kbps (one of the highest I've done) complete with a 2ch 160MB commentary track, which gives you an idea of the bitrate of the original! The quality of the output is superb.

Thanks again jdobbs!

jdobbs

20th May 2004, 03:39

Originally posted by Joergen
I have confirmed that 0.49 fixes this problem alltogether (even though jdobbs in his modesty didnt mention this in the readme). Prepare gives only 33 segments and no more stutter on playback at scene(segment) changes.

This movie was the largest reduction I've done yet by percentage (53.7%) but the average bitrate was still 3.950kbps (one of the highest I've done) complete with a 2ch 160MB commentary track, which gives you an idea of the bitrate of the original! The quality of the output is superb.

Thanks again jdobbs! Hmmm... you're right. I thought I'd mentioned that. I must have noted it in one of these threads. Didn't you read them all? ;)

lamster

20th May 2004, 07:13

Originally posted by lamster
Maybe 3.1.7? I'll see if I still have the older SetupDVDDecrypter_3.x.y.z.exe on that machine when I get home.

Nope - didn't save the older setup program. I think it was 3.1.7.0.

If you're thinking if the entry in the DVD Decrypter change log that says:
Fixed: Big bug in ISO Read mode where files following 0 bytes files weren't decrypted
that doesn't apply; I always use file mode.

jdobbs

20th May 2004, 22:32

@lamster

That's exactly what I was thinking. It has already bitten me a few times.

AndyP

20th May 2004, 22:59

1. DVD-R Version: 0.49
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? 1.8b
4. Bug encountered:

Brother Bear DVD (PAL - R2)
VTS 19 (Title 24) The extras
Is interlaced but not detected as such. When you load the avs in virtualdubmod you can clearly see the combing. Is there a way to force DVDRB to treat a VTS as interlaced (and hence add the decomb lines) like there is to not deinterlace. If not would it be possible?? (hint, hint! :) ).

[Or if not could someone please recommend a good search and replace proggy to go through the multiple avs files and add the line :D ]

VTS etc available if needed

Cheers
Andy

jdobbs

20th May 2004, 23:15

If it isn't marked as interlaced... if very probably isn't interlaced. DVD-RB gets the information from the MPEG stream itself. The likelihood that that is incorrect if pretty slim (notice I didn't say impossible). Sometimes the apparent combing can be just bad editing on the original or the result of some misinformed DVD author trying to make progressive out of an interlaced source.

Of course there's always the possibility that I've done something wrong that somehow gets brought out by a particular disc or set of circumstances ;) -- as these threads show, it wouldn't be the first time.

AndyP

21st May 2004, 07:33

Many thanks for the reply. I should have attached a picture. (Captured from virtualdub from a representative frame from the avs file]

Do you think this is interlaced??

Because the ECL identifies them as progressive:

[item]
title=V19000000001001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=C:\DVD\D2VAVS\V19000000001001.vaf
aud_file=C:\DVD\D2VAVS\V19000000001001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=576
frame_rate_idx=3
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=1825
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=2
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=1
alternate_scan=0
intra_dc_prec=2
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frm=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
offset_line=0
create_new_vaf=1
...

Cheers,
Andy

PS I must say this was the first time I used the program and I was incredibly impressed. To have done all this is your spare time is amazing! :)

masterhit

21st May 2004, 19:42

DVD-RB Version: 0.49
Encoder being used: CCE 2.69.1.4
Using eclCCE? N
DVD: The Prisoner PAL R2 boxset Disc 1

Okay, I am having a problem with "The Prisoner", which is an episodic DVD.

At the rebuild stage it gets to Vob Id 1, Cell ID 5
then says:

"Dvd Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

I can post IFO's and so on if any use, also a feature request is to be able to resume from where we left off.

Also I think some of the menu choices could be made more user friendly, i.e. if "audio dub(blank clip)" is not needed for CCE 2.67+ then that option should be automatically de-selected and greyed out.

Congrats for a very promising program, I will donate when it gets past beta for sure.

AndyP

23rd May 2004, 20:59

[Or if not could someone please recommend a good search and replace proggy to go through the multiple avs files and add the line]

Well I couldn't find one, so I wrote one. Goes through all the avs files and adds the deinterlace bits. It does not detect if it is there already so make sure the Disable Interlaced option is set for all VTSs.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.powell/Interlace.zip

Andy

redrobotcore

24th May 2004, 18:14

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.49 and 0.50
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.50.01.00
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered: "Run-time error '75' Path/File access error"

I encounter this run-time error near the end of the 'prepare' phase when trying to backup Criterion editions of The Last Wave and Monty Python's Life of Brian.

Please let me know if I can supply more useful information.

robot1

24th May 2004, 21:44

I refer to the message by Joergen in RB-Opt thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75202&perpage=20&pagenumber=4)
I think that DVD-RB encode stills in CBR to avoid problem (if I'm not wrong). At least that's wat I saw in a Rebuilder.ecl from a prepare phase using CCE SP 2.50.
Instead I found this sections in Rebuilder.inf and Rebuilder.ecl (and Joergen confirmed it was encoded VBR).
Probably he bug is with CCE SP 2.66+

Rebuilder.inf
[V17017500176001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25854.000
Frame_Rate_Code=3
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=1
Last_Sector=248407
Reduction=75.5
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0
EndPTM=69054.000

Rebuilder.ecl
[item]
title=V17017500176001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=P:\D2VAVS\V17017500176001.vaf
aud_file=P:\D2VAVS\V17017500176001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=576
frame_rate_idx=3
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=9000
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=2
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frm=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
offset_line=0
create_new_vaf=1
credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000
h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8
qmat_idx=0
quality_prec=16
video_type=4
vid_file0=P:\D2VAVS\V17017500176001.m2v
vid_file1=P:\D2VAVS\V17017500176001.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=7200
vbr_bias=25
vbr_pass=2
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

[file]
name=P:\D2VAVS\V17017500176001.avs
frame_first=0
frame_last=1
encode_first=0
encode_last=1
Hope it helps

mrslacker

24th May 2004, 21:46

Originally posted by jdobbs
If it isn't marked as interlaced... if very probably isn't interlaced. DVD-RB gets the information from the MPEG stream itself. The likelihood that that is incorrect if pretty slim (notice I didn't say impossible). Sometimes the apparent combing can be just bad editing on the original or the result of some misinformed DVD author trying to make progressive out of an interlaced source.
First, compliments on a fantastic piece of software!

I have been struggling to understand progressive/interlaced coding and how DVD-RB works with it. Bad Boys 2, for example, has 3 progressive frames to 2 interlaced frames in several cells (3:2 pulldown?). I checked this by playing a .AVS with FieldDeinterlace(blend=false, show=true) and stepping frames. I guess this is common, although here its 24fps not 30fps(??). Anyway, a DVD2AVI preview shows these scenes as PROGRESSIVE, strangely. DVD-RB successfully identifies these scenes as interlaced. My questions are:

When DVD-RB analyzes the MPEG stream and reads how its marked, does it do this on a frame to frame basis? If there are only a small portion of few frames marked as interlaced, does the entire cell get marked in the ecl files? I've read around to find clarity on this subject to no avail.

Given possible mixed progressive-interlaced coding, shouldn't FieldDeinterlace be used with full=false to only process the frames detected as combed? It seems to work well with the standard detection thresholds. The Decomb511 default is FieldDeinterlace(full=true) according to the reference manual. Would it even be safe to add Fielddeinterlace(blend=false,full=false) to every avs file just in case there are some portions interlaced?

And sorry for the newbie questions, but after a Fielddeinterlace, why is ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) necessary? Hasn't it just been deinterlaced or is colorspace conversion something entirely different?

If I am way off in my understanding of this business of interlaced coding, could someone help clarify. I am also a bit hazy on when it is necessary to deinterlace. My understanding is you should do this only when you aren't happy with your player's deinterlacing. Stand-alones connected to progressive displays do this just fine, right? wmansir expanded on the settings description in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=474136&highlight=progressive+deinterlace#post474136).

Again, DVD-RB is great jdobbs. Thanks!

Joergen

25th May 2004, 17:17

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.50
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.66
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered: BOV weirdness

This disney disc has now defeated four tools it seems (DVDStripper, DVDRemake amongst them), all because it has a questionaire game in it. DVD-RB's output ends up with unfunctional buttons (WinDVD, but buttons work in PowerDVD) and only audio playing when you start the game (the extras menu image displaying still) where there should be a text explaining what to do. This happens also in two standalones.

So at the slight expense of the main movie I renamed all the extras so DVD-RB doesnt see them, and then will rename them back after rebuild.

This makes me think an option to "not process VTS #" would be handy :)

I'd like to add though, that thanks to DVD-RB I was able to convert this originally Letterboxed (SHAME ON YOU DISNEY!) movie to a great looking anamorphic picture (came out better than I thought cause the original was clean and high bitrate).

Harm

26th May 2004, 13:32

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.50a
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. DVD: Finding Nemo
5. Bug encountered: Oversize

Total result after 3 step process: 5.583.065.088 bytes

Bitrate calculated by RB: 2622

Can I supply more information JDobbs?

Acerjen

26th May 2004, 14:58

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.50
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered: BOV weirdness
5. Region: 1 (NTSC)

I am trying to back up Pirates of the Caribbean disc 2.
The menus come up, but there are no buttons to select an option.
Any ideals?

Thanks.
Acerjen

jdobbs

26th May 2004, 15:19

Harm

27th May 2004, 06:20

Originally posted by jdobbs
I assume you are using the One Pass VBR mode?
Nope........ I do not........ just the 3 step CCE method (with 4 passes in fact)
The only thing I did different to versions before was the removal of the DTS and 1 AC audio track leaving 2 other audio tracks behind.
Do you want me to run it again with some other options?

jdobbs

27th May 2004, 10:42

Originally posted by Harm
Nope........ I do not........ just the 3 step CCE method (with 4 passes in fact)
The only thing I did different to versions before was the removal of the DTS and 1 AC audio track leaving 2 other audio tracks behind.
Do you want me to run it again with some other options? Hmmm... I've just never seen the 2 pass encoder oversize before.

Harm

27th May 2004, 10:50

Originally posted by jdobbs
Hmmm... I've just never seen the 2 pass encoder oversize before.
It didn't happen on the versions pre 0.50 (I ran Nemo once with 0.49 and it came out right but then I let the DTS stay in place).
Ofcourse I am willing to rerun but should I try 0.49 with DTS out or 0.50a with DTS in?

jdobbs

27th May 2004, 13:42

Originally posted by Harm
It didn't happen on the versions pre 0.50 (I ran Nemo once with 0.49 and it came out right but then I let the DTS stay in place).
Ofcourse I am willing to rerun but should I try 0.49 with DTS out or 0.50a with DTS in? There should be no difference in the sizing between .49 and .50 except as it it related to OPV.

Harm

27th May 2004, 14:31

Originally posted by jdobbs
There should be no difference in the sizing between .49 and .50 except as it it related to OPV.
I believe you......... but what shall I do now? Are you sure it could nothing have to do with me deselecting the DTS track?
Maybe I should add that I deselected the DTS track and ran step prepare; then I closed down rebuilder and started it again later. I hit encode but can't remember if I deselected the DTS track again. Surely that couldn't be the reason of the oversize? The selections made when running the prepare phase are saved or not?

Noah

27th May 2004, 15:21

Originally posted by Harm
I believe you......... but what shall I do now? Are you sure it could nothing have to do with me deselecting the DTS track?
Maybe I should add that I deselected the DTS track and ran step prepare; then I closed down rebuilder and started it again later. I hit encode but can't remember if I deselected the DTS track again. Surely that couldn't be the reason of the oversize? The selections made when running the prepare phase are saved or not?
jdobbs can give you the definitive answer, but it sounds to me like that could have done it. I can't quite tell what happened from your description, but say you click Prepare without DTS checked, DVD-RB determines a bitrate/output size without considering the space needed for the larger audio track. Then you Rebuild with DTS checked, DVD-RB adds the DTS track back in but the reencoded video is too big for all of that to fit on DVD5.

BTW, I think your audio track selections are stored somewhere in the working directory so you shouldn't have to change any of that if you reopen a project...or if you do, you'd have to start over at the Prepare step. Its a lot quicker than doing step 2 again, anyway. ;)

If you kept all your working/source files, maybe try rebuilding again with the smallest audio track.

Harm

27th May 2004, 15:35

Originally posted by Noah
BTW, I think your audio track selections are stored somewhere in the working directory so you shouldn't have to change any of that if you reopen a project...or if you do, you'd have to start over at the Prepare step. Its a lot quicker than doing step 2 again, anyway. ;)

If you kept all your working/source files, maybe try rebuilding again with the smallest audio track.
That's exactly what I thought to! But when I restart rebuilder after the prepare phase the DTS track is selected again! And I didn't delete anything..........
So I think I started the encode with DTS selected (by default) in the window thinking it wouldn't matter because I already had ran the prepare with it........
Anyway I think the best choice now is to rerun the lot (without restarting) overnight and see what happens.....

boombastic

27th May 2004, 15:40

I'm trying to backup LOTR The Return Of The King but the II phase (OPV enable) last only 10 minutes and in the III phase i get a buffer overflow (error 0004) error.

Noah

27th May 2004, 17:00

Weird stuff, Harm. Sounds like something happened in the restart, whether it was pilot error or a bug, who knows. Its kind of a pain to redo something that takes several hours, but the results are definitely worth it when it works.

boombastic,

Unless you've got RB-Farm running on a nice cluster of servers, OPV encoding in CCE should take a lot longer than 10 minutes. My guess is that your problem is there, but just doesn't manifest itself in an error until rebuilding.

mpennel

27th May 2004, 23:03

I know if you REBUILD in the 3 click method with the extra DTS track (or whatever track it might be) selected, which you didn't have selected orginally, it will rebuild the disc with the extra track, and your size will be way too big to fit on a DVD, so what you're describing could possibly be the same thing. By keeping the DTS track when you reopened rebuilder, and started the encoding, DVD-RB had already calculated the size needed WITHOUT the DTS track, and now you're throwing it back into the mix, which oversizes it.

I hope this helps.

Mark

Fishman0919

28th May 2004, 10:42

DVD-RB version: 0.50b
CCE Basic 2.67.01.19
Using eclCCE: N

Under the mode options I noticed that " Steal Space from Extras " is greyed out, but if you change encoders (say from QuEnc to CCE) the " Steal Space from Extras " is no longer greyed out and lets you pick from - 25% (Quality Drop on Extras), 33% ..... 50%, but when you pick any of the three you get " Runtime Error '387' - 'Checked' property can't be set on this control" and DVD-RB is shutdown. NO big deal but just letting you know ;)

Harm

28th May 2004, 11:14

Originally posted by Harm
1. DVD-RB Version: 0.50a
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. DVD: Finding Nemo
5. Bug encountered: Oversize

Total result after 3 step process: 5.583.065.088 bytes

Bitrate calculated by RB: 2622

Can I supply more information JDobbs?
Well as I said I reran the lot without closing down rebuilder after the prepare phase.... and the size is right now!

So I think this is an "official" bug now....
- if you deselect any of the audio tracks and only run prepare phase, close down rebuilder and start it again then your deselections are not saved and you probably have to do them again for the encode phase although I guess if you don't do them exactly the same the bitrate already calculated will be wrong.....

So I guess jdobbs that the best option would be to save those selections if that's possible ofcourse.... :D

You can also say that it's unwise to close rebuilder in the 3 step phase..... :sly:

masterhit

29th May 2004, 14:47

Originally posted by boombastic
I'm trying to backup LOTR The Return Of The King but the II phase (OPV enable) last only 10 minutes and in the III phase i get a buffer overflow (error 0004) error.

The buffer overflow error #0004 is a definite problem which is happening on the two DVD's that I have tried, namely The Prisoner Pal R2 and The War Of The Roses Pal R2, though for me I can't say that Phase II only lasted 10 minutes, the encode was a more realistic three hours or so.

I've stopped trying. I'd also like to add that this is with ISO rips mounted in Daemon Tools, these are exact images, nothing funny.

FYI:

DVD-RB Version: 0.50b
Encoder being used: CCE 2.69.1.4
Using eclCCE? N

jdobbs

29th May 2004, 16:39

Originally posted by Fishman0919
DVD-RB version: 0.50b
CCE Basic 2.67.01.19
Using eclCCE: N

Under the mode options I noticed that " Steal Space from Extras " is greyed out, but if you change encoders (say from QuEnc to CCE) the " Steal Space from Extras " is no longer greyed out and lets you pick from - 25% (Quality Drop on Extras), 33% ..... 50%, but when you pick any of the three you get " Runtime Error '387' - 'Checked' property can't be set on this control" and DVD-RB is shutdown. NO big deal but just letting you know ;) Whoops. Those options aren't working yet. They should remained grayed out...

Joergen

30th May 2004, 03:44

I had a double-disaster today. I was using all the family PC's to encode a project using RBFarm (so its partially a fault with it but cant be fixed by it I suppose), and somebody hit cancel on CCE first, then ended rbfarm (without telling me of course).

Soo, I got a 100MB undersize after rebuild. At first I thought its very odd since I've never gotten such a big undersize. I eyed the .vaf files in comparison to the .m2v files quickly and saw nothing odd there. Trail of thought here was "Oh well dvd-rb would certainly do an error if there was 100MB missing."

While I was already burning (ooh what a tragedy, a whole 0.8€) I first realised I had encoded with disable interlaced for VTS_03 but rebuilt without this option (so stream gets marked interlaced again), and then I saw that one .m2v was 54MB and its vaf was 3500KB (where it shouldhave been around 1000KB) so there was the runaway chunk that I didnt see.

(crowd: get to the point!)

My point is:

1. Could you make a sanity check for the length of the .m2v?
2. And also for compiling progressive .m2v as interlaced in the .vob

Thank you!

Amenophis

31st May 2004, 01:27

The ecl files created by DVD-RB 0.51 doesn't contain any vbr_brate_max value anymore. Is this behaviour intended, or did this line got somewhere lost when fixing the max. bitrate bug? I had this when using progressive PAL sources in CCE Mode (both Basic and SP). Of course these encodes didn't respect the max. bitrate value in the rebuilder.ini at all.

jdobbs

31st May 2004, 04:50

Originally posted by Amenophis
The ecl files created by DVD-RB 0.51 doesn't contain any vbr_brate_max value anymore. Is this behaviour intended, or did this line got somewhere lost when fixing the max. bitrate bug? I had this when using progressive PAL sources in CCE Mode (both Basic and SP). Of course these encodes didn't respect the max. bitrate value in the rebuilder.ini at all. You're saying it is missing? I've done several encodes and they all have the value.

wmansir

31st May 2004, 05:23

i'm doing a OPV test now and it has it, I'll be running a regular VBR run before I go to bed and will check. Perhaps it is a PAL issue? Or are you saying it's not using your custom Max bitrate you set in the rebuilder.ini?

Harm

31st May 2004, 10:21

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.50a
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. DVD: Finding Nemo
5. Bug encountered: Slight audio delay on DC track

On this DVD there are 4 audio tracks. The 4th track being the Director's comment which is 2 channels (the other 3 are 6 channels).
Although it's difficult to check for a delay on the other tracks I think they are right. The 4th track is definitely off (slightly too early). You can see that e.g. with the introduction where the director is talking.
I ran this one with DTS track (track 2) deselected.

Is this a new one? Should I rerun it with the latest version or with other options?

Amenophis

31st May 2004, 11:56

i analysed some more dvds with the following result:

NTSC + interlaced: ok
PAL + progressive: ok
PAL + interlaced: vbr_brate_max missing.

(all vbr. the opv value was always ok)

so it does only happen when using PAL sources without an progressive frame flag (and not when using PAL progressive what a said by mistake before)

btw, the complete line is missing (and not only the value)

onesoul

31st May 2004, 13:02

DVD-RB 0.51
CCE 2.67.00.27
LOTR - Two Towers EE (pal)

A little problem with subtitles: the hidden feature of mtv awards with gollum doesn't display (portuguese) subtitles although it remains selected (at Power DVD). I didn't remove any subtitles and didn't try previous versions on it, should I run 0.50 to compare?

jdobbs

31st May 2004, 13:13

Originally posted by Amenophis
i analysed some more dvds with the following result:

NTSC + interlaced: ok
PAL + progressive: ok
PAL + interlaced: vbr_brate_max missing.

(all vbr. the opv value was always ok)

so it does only happen when using PAL sources without an progressive frame flag (and not when using PAL progressive what a said by mistake before)

btw, the complete line is missing (and not only the value) Found it and fixed it. Will post soon. Thanks.

Joergen

31st May 2004, 16:41

Thanks for the keen-eyed discovery Amenophis :)

I did one movie with 0.51 but it is progressive so I hope I'm safe with it.

masterhit

1st June 2004, 00:35

Sterling work, jdobbs! :)

Whether it is related or not, I am no longer getting runtime error #004's on the PAL DVD's I am using with the new version 0.51b :cool:

Harm

1st June 2004, 15:10

Originally posted by Harm
1. DVD-RB Version: 0.50a
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. DVD: Finding Nemo
5. Bug encountered: Slight audio delay on DC track

On this DVD there are 4 audio tracks. The 4th track being the Director's comment which is 2 channels (the other 3 are 6 channels).
Although it's difficult to check for a delay on the other tracks I think they are right. The 4th track is definitely off (slightly too early). You can see that e.g. with the introduction where the director is talking.
I ran this one with DTS track (track 2) deselected.

Is this a new one? Should I rerun it with the latest version or with other options?
Did you notice this one jdobbs?
Is there something I can do about this audio delay?
I am doing the 3 step CCE....

Harm

4th June 2004, 13:16

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.51c
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. DVD: Gladiator
5. Bug encountered: Hebrew subtitle remaining

Although I checked all but 2 subtitles (English and Dutch) to be removed still the Hebrew subtitle remains.
According to my player it is not recognized as Hebrew (subtitle picture 10 is displayed) but still the subtitle streamcode is IW.

And again jdobbs have you found an opportunity to look at my previous problem with the audio delay of Finding Nemo?

DMagic1

4th June 2004, 16:59

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.51c
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.23
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. DVD: Tombstone
5. Bug encountered: Oversize with One pass.

I don't know if this bug has been reported yet or not. I just tried the one pass feature on Tombstone. The movie is about 5.5 GB before RB. The final output came out to 7.8 GB.:confused:
I removed all audio except the 5.1 and kept all subs.

Rombaldi

4th June 2004, 17:14

@jdobbs

BIG ERROR in 51c (probably earlier, but just picked it up).

Was using RB to 'shrink' (down to 4.37gb) and adjust the picture (reset the color/gamma) of a HOME RECORDED DVD-R (recorded on the Panasonic DMR-E80). After passing thru RB the video is TOTALLY farkled... the familar 'horizinal hold' effect.

After checking the output video vs the input video.. found two very important differences...

input video 704x480, 29.97fps

output from RB 720x480, 23.97fps

checked the ECL files and sure enough...

[item]
width=740
height=480
frame_rate_idx=1

this was NOT always this way... I had tried processing/shinking a home-recorded disc way back when the 'ficker' was an issue and it came thru ok... so somewhere along the way RB stopped picking up the actual video parameters...

OOPS!

hobyho

5th June 2004, 13:12

Would like to say firstly, a big thanks to jdobbs for a great program you have created.

Ok, back to a bug I might have found with the use of DVD-Rebuilder 0.51c (and possibly other versions) and CCE Basic 2.69.01.08. The bug is that DVD-Rebuilder does not seem to set the correct 'Quality_Prec' for the encodes.

Looking at the ecl file created, it is definitely missing a:

pict_qchar=32

Which sets to a specified Quality_Prec (in this case it is 32), atm mine is defaulting to 16 no matter what is set.

I hope you can look into it to fix this problem. Also does the VBR_Bias have any use in CCE Basic? If so I do not see any settings in the ecl to correspond to this either.

Again, thanks for a great program... and my first posting because I just wanted you to note this. =)

jdobbs

5th June 2004, 17:52

Originally posted by Rombaldi
@jdobbs

BIG ERROR in 51c (probably earlier, but just picked it up).

Was using RB to 'shrink' (down to 4.37gb) and adjust the picture (reset the color/gamma) of a HOME RECORDED DVD-R (recorded on the Panasonic DMR-E80). After passing thru RB the video is TOTALLY farkled... the familar 'horizinal hold' effect.

After checking the output video vs the input video.. found two very important differences...

input video 704x480, 29.97fps

output from RB 720x480, 23.97fps

checked the ECL files and sure enough...

[item]
width=740
height=480
frame_rate_idx=1

this was NOT always this way... I had tried processing/shinking a home-recorded disc way back when the 'ficker' was an issue and it came thru ok... so somewhere along the way RB stopped picking up the actual video parameters...

OOPS! Sorry to say: but it has always been this way. I'll take a look at it, though. In the meantime I'd suggest you put a filter in for LanzosResize(720,480). Don't overanalyze the framerate. That's how it is supposed to work in DVD-RB, it will be corrected in the rebuild phase.

Rombaldi

5th June 2004, 18:53

Originally posted by jdobbs
Sorry to say: but it has always been this way. I'll take a look at it, though. In the meantime I'd suggest you put a filter in for LanzosResize(720,480). Don't overanalyze the framerate. That's how it is supposed to work in DVD-RB, it will be corrected in the rebuild phase.

OK, I can accept that the framerate may not be an issue (after looking at some things I see that), but I can assure you that the SIZE 704 vs 720 has not. Before the homemades have gone thru prop....

hmmm...

just realized that this may be an issue of AUTHORING programs... my older ones that I used were done with program 'x', the later ones done with program 'y'... (no names till I identify the guilty)... I'll go back to a earlier created disc and see what happens.

Are you getting the stream resolution from the IFO's or the MPEG headers???? (I hate to say it, but it may be time for another "advanced" option... 'override stream resolution' :(

I'll get back with you shortly..

Rombaldi

6th June 2004, 00:12

@jdobbs

well, I went back to an older disc, one that I had successfully processed thru before that has 704x480 video and it ALSO was 'deformed' to 720x480 instead of 704x480...

I stuck in a "Addborders (8,0,8,0) to pad the sides (figured it would be faster than the resize and not distort the frame) and it's chugging now..

I know that at ONE POINT this didn't happen... so if you can find anything it would be nice :)

jdobbs

6th June 2004, 03:44

At one point the DVD compliant flag was set as on in DVD-RB. But the definition of that flag was redefined in CCE Basic to include changing the framerate, so I had to disable it. When DVD compliant is set any input that is not 720xNNN is resized automatically and padded with black bars -- that was a complaint a lot of people had because Half-D1 input would be centered on a 720x480 (for example) black-background screen.

You could have run a job back when it was set as the default, and the borders may have been added for you.

Your're right. Adding the border is better -- as long as it stays in the overscan areas on playback.

Rombaldi

6th June 2004, 05:00

Originally posted by jdobbs
At one point the DVD compliant flag was set as on in DVD-RB. But the definition of that flag was redefined in CCE Basic to include changing the framerate, so I had to disable it. When DVD compliant is set any input that is not 720xNNN is resized automatically and padded with black bars -- that was a complaint a lot of people had because Half-D1 input would be centered on a 720x480 (for example) black-background screen.

So, (if I don't do the 'AddBorders') it's still resizing to 720x480, but not padding then and instead distoring the picture??? Hmmm... what happens now if you feed it half-D1 input? will that also get distorted or ?????

:confused:

ADDENDUM:

I *DID* try and going in to edit the ECL file(s) and changed the frame size to 704x480 and then ran the encode, everything DID come out correctly in the rebuild.. but it is a pain in the tookas to have to edit the ECL's by hand :D Any chance of an 'override' in the expert to cover things like this??

jdobbs

6th June 2004, 05:44

Originally posted by Rombaldi
So, (if I don't do the 'AddBorders') it's still resizing to 720x480, but not padding then and instead distoring the picture??? Hmmm... what happens now if you feed it half-D1 input? will that also get distorted or ?????

:confused:

ADDENDUM:

I *DID* try and going in to edit the ECL file(s) and changed the frame size to 704x480 and then ran the encode, everything DID come out correctly in the rebuild.. but it is a pain in the tookas to have to edit the ECL's by hand :D Any chance of an 'override' in the expert to cover things like this?? Half-D1 comes out fine. Even in the old versions of CCE you had to turn DVD-Compliant off. Is it coming out distorted? Frankly, if you have something in a 4:3 or 16:9 format I wouldn't have thought so.

Rombaldi

6th June 2004, 08:00

Originally posted by jdobbs
Half-D1 comes out fine. Even in the old versions of CCE you had to turn DVD-Compliant off. Is it coming out distorted? Frankly, if you have something in a 4:3 or 16:9 format I wouldn't have thought so.

Yup.. it's going in 4:3, 704x480 and coming out 4:3, 720x480 with the 'horizontal hold' out of whack (best way to describe it)...

Donald Nice

10th June 2004, 16:16

1. DVD-R Version: 0.52
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50.01
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered:

When pressing "Encode", i get the massage "No path defined - No CCE Path has been set..." Pressing "Optoins - Setup" th choose CCE Path, i used only (!) "Path to CCE SP 2.50" tho show path to CCE. Pressing "Options - CCE Options" i used "CCE SP (v2.50)" But when i press "Encode" now und got the failure massages, i go to "Options - CCE Options" it is set to CCE SP (v2.67+). only when i use the path to "CCE Basic" in "Options - Setup" and set the way to my CCE SP 2.50.01. DVDRebuilder beginns to work with no failure message, and i got this log:

[17:12:37] Phase II ENCODING started
[17:12:50] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 00
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 01
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 02
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 03
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 04
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 05
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 06
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 07
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 08
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 09
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 22
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 23
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 24
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 25
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 26
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 00
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 01
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 02
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 03
[17:12:54] Phase II ENCODING completed in 0 minutes.

CCE is NOT starting!

5. If you think it might help, use the "Copy Status to Clipboard" feature of v0.19 and above -- and post it with the bug report.
:cool:

Okay thats it. I hope you understood me, because my english isn`t the best...

Donald Nicehttp:// c:\test

Harm

10th June 2004, 16:21

You have to run encode with the same selections made for CCE as you did when you ran the prepare phase! (I know; something similar happened to me when I started using rebuilder!).

So whenever you change something in your setup (especially the selections for CCE) rerun the prepare phase first........ :D

jdobbs

11th June 2004, 00:30

Originally posted by Donald Nice
1. DVD-R Version: 0.52
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50.01
3. Using eclCCE? N
4. Bug encountered:

When pressing "Encode", i get the massage "No path defined - No CCE Path has been set..." Pressing "Optoins - Setup" th choose CCE Path, i used only (!) "Path to CCE SP 2.50" tho show path to CCE. Pressing "Options - CCE Options" i used "CCE SP (v2.50)" But when i press "Encode" now und got the failure massages, i go to "Options - CCE Options" it is set to CCE SP (v2.67+). only when i use the path to "CCE Basic" in "Options - Setup" and set the way to my CCE SP 2.50.01. DVDRebuilder beginns to work with no failure message, and i got this log:

[17:12:37] Phase II ENCODING started
[17:12:50] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 00
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 01
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 02
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 03
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 04
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 05
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 06
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 07
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 08
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 09
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 22
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 23
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 24
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 25
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 26
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 00
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 01
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 02
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 03
[17:12:54] Phase II ENCODING completed in 0 minutes.

CCE is NOT starting!

5. If you think it might help, use the "Copy Status to Clipboard" feature of v0.19 and above -- and post it with the bug report.
:cool:

Okay thats it. I hope you understood me, because my english isn`t the best...

Donald Nicehttp:// c:\test You say you are not using ECLCCE --- but ECLCCE is required for CCE 2.50 (which is what you are using).

Fishman0919

11th June 2004, 05:21

Like I said on the other post and jdobbs just did and the Sticky: DVD ReBuilder: Installation, Setup, and Usage post does...
YOU NEED TO USE ECLCCE WITH CCE 2.50 NO MATER WHAT for it to work with DVD-ReBuiler... oh and point Eclcce to your cctsp.exe first before running DVD-RB

Hope this helps

EDIT: Mater...lol

EDIT-2: DVD-ReBuiler ...LMAO

barneypooch

11th June 2004, 14:53

ReBuilder v052
CCE SP 2.50
ECLCCE latest version

If I use DVDRB to rebuild a DVD everything goes fine. But next time, after the prepare phase, the CCE window opens and just hangs.
Then I have to reboot the PC and re-install CCE and ECLCCE, when the process starts again - ie, one encode goes fine but the next one hangs. If I try to use CCE with DVD2SVCD or D2SRoba, it just won't play ball. It's like it's become internally corrupted. Only a re-install solves the problem.
As a side note, when I reboot my PC, my start menu has been changed - I keep having to re-enable "Show Quick Launch".

Am I doing something horrifically dumb?

Rombaldi

12th June 2004, 09:01

Originally posted by Rombaldi
Yup.. it's going in 4:3, 704x480 and coming out 4:3, 720x480 with the 'horizontal hold' out of whack (best way to describe it)...

BTW.. I finally tracked back and way back to one of the BFF test versions, it would go on 704x480 and come OUT 704x480 .. don't have that many older versions but I amazingly still had that one...

robot1

12th June 2004, 15:49

@Jdobbs
It's not a bug, it's more a cosmetic thing.
I didn't want open a new thread, so I posted here...

I'm backing up a DVD, with 3 VTS:
VTS1 average bitrate 2590, reduction 42,6
VTS2 average bitrate 2135, reduction 42,6
VTS3 average bitrate 2741, reduction 42,6

If I enable Steal Space from Extras (using 50%), I get:
VTS1 average bitrate 2914, reduction 42,6
VTS2 average bitrate 1067, reduction 42,6
VTS3 average bitrate 1370, reduction 42,6

While the bitrate are correct, I think DVD-RB doesn't update the
Reduction=
in Rebuilder.inf

If it's not a problem, could you update it? It's useful for addons programs (as RB-Opt, ECL Optimizer ...) which rely on that parameter.

Sorry for my english, I hope I've been clear in my explanation.

jdobbs

12th June 2004, 18:57

Originally posted by robot1
@Jdobbs
It's not a bug, it's more a cosmetic thing.
I didn't want open a new thread, so I posted here...

I'm backing up a DVD, with 3 VTS:
VTS1 average bitrate 2590, reduction 42,6
VTS2 average bitrate 2135, reduction 42,6
VTS3 average bitrate 2741, reduction 42,6

If I enable Steal Space from Extras (using 50%), I get:
VTS1 average bitrate 2914, reduction 42,6
VTS2 average bitrate 1067, reduction 42,6
VTS3 average bitrate 1370, reduction 42,6

While the bitrate are correct, I think DVD-RB doesn't update the
Reduction=
in Rebuilder.inf

If it's not a problem, could you update it? It's useful for addons programs (as RB-Opt, ECL Optimizer ...) which rely on that parameter.

Sorry for my english, I hope I've been clear in my explanation. Hmmm... never noticed that. I'll take a look at it.

jdobbs

12th June 2004, 19:02

Actually I just thought about it... in the way I do it the reduction, the percentage does stay the same... I just give more space to movie and less to the extras... then use the reduction against the new numbers. I'll take a look and see if there is a better way to compute the percentage. I have to be careful, though, as that number influences how I use ReJig.

robot1

12th June 2004, 19:31

thanks.
What about a final calculation, updating the percentage, according to the original bitrate and the final calculated bitrate?
Anyway, If you update the percentage, also in Rejig you could use the "steal space from extras" (but I don't know if it's a good suggestion, as at high compression Rejig's quality is bad and output filesize could not be exact).

sidders

13th June 2004, 01:03

Every version of Rebuilder since 0.49 has crashed CCE, whether its 2.50, 2.66 or 2.67. I have had various error message from 'different to previous pass' to simply crashing. I tried reinstalling everyrthing, trying the previous version etc, and my problems (on different films by the way) did not stop until I went back to version 0.49. Anyone else had this problem? Usually it crashes whilst encoding the first section in the encoding process.

Also the later version take ages to start the transcoding process - the HD light is on indicating activity, but it doesn't seem to start for about 20 mins. Is this right?

Is anyone else getting CCE crashes with the latest versions?

djackson

13th June 2004, 22:39

1. DVD-RB Version : 0.52
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67 SP
3. Using eclCCE? : Y
4. Disc : The Mummy (Ultimate Edition Disc 2) R4 PAL
5. Bug encountered :
When doing the Rebuild phase, Overall % progress runs from 0 to -1500% (minus), gets past VTS5, jumps to -150% and finally finishes at 100%. Result is about 2Gig undersize. VTS5 is the problem.

I've checked that VTS5 is encoded by CCE, but its being skipped in the rebuild phase. I've loaded the before/after VOBs into DVDReMake to confirm this. The only difference I can see with the orig VOB is it starts out B&W 4:3 (runs with an old Boris Karloff "The Mummy" clip) before returning to normal colour 16:9 extras. The rebuilt VOB shows as no video.

Any assistance appreciated.

gizzin

19th June 2004, 00:18

The last post i had i wasnt to descriptive of what i've used. Well this time i tested a new movie and it was rules of engagement. What was used to burn the output was elby clone cd 2.0.8.4. at 4x speed.

1. DVD-RB Version : 0.52
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.67.00.10
3. Using eclCCE? : Y
4. Disc: Region 1 NTSC
5. Bug Encountered:

At about 7 minutes into the movie there is a blip in the audio or dropout. Im not sure what you describe it as. It was in more of a action part of the movie, more bass if that matters any. But there was only one this time unlike the other movies. Is it the program used to burn the output or media even?

rayvt

21st June 2004, 23:24

Doing an episode DVD, with v0.53. DVDRB completely skipped one vob--VTS_01_1.VOB. Nero complains, and WINDVD just closes immediately. In the "Video Title Sets" box, dvdrb doesn't show VTS_01 at all. Examining these vobs, VTS_01_0.VOB is the main title/menu screen, VTS_01_1.VOB is 16 seconds of FBI warning.
Below is directory listings of the original and the output of dvdrb.

Directory of H:\DVD-Rips\TTSS_D1\VIDEO_TS\*
16,384 VIDEO_TS.BUP
16,384 VIDEO_TS.IFO
116,736 VIDEO_TS.VOB
40,960 VTS_01_0.BUP
40,960 VTS_01_0.IFO
45,703,168 VTS_01_0.VOB
16,461,824 VTS_01_1.VOB
55,296 VTS_02_0.BUP
55,296 VTS_02_0.IFO
116,736 VTS_02_0.VOB
1,073,565,696 VTS_02_1.VOB
968,695,808 VTS_02_2.VOB
55,296 VTS_03_0.BUP
55,296 VTS_03_0.IFO
116,736 VTS_03_0.VOB
1,073,565,696 VTS_03_1.VOB
1,038,739,456 VTS_03_2.VOB
36,864 VTS_04_0.BUP
36,864 VTS_04_0.IFO
116,736 VTS_04_0.VOB
912,451,584 VTS_04_1.VOB

Directory of F:\00-dvdrb-cce\VIDEO_TS\*
16,384 VIDEO_TS.BUP
16,384 VIDEO_TS.IFO
116,736 VIDEO_TS.VOB
40,960 VTS_01_0.BUP
40,960 VTS_01_0.IFO
45,703,168 VTS_01_0.VOB
61,440 VTS_02_0.BUP
61,440 VTS_02_0.IFO
116,736 VTS_02_0.VOB
1,073,739,776 VTS_02_1.VOB
697,690,112 VTS_02_2.VOB
61,440 VTS_03_0.BUP
61,440 VTS_03_0.IFO
116,736 VTS_03_0.VOB
1,073,739,776 VTS_03_1.VOB
798,140,416 VTS_03_2.VOB
40,960 VTS_04_0.BUP
40,960 VTS_04_0.IFO
116,736 VTS_04_0.VOB
946,302,976 VTS_04_1.VOB

rayvt

22nd June 2004, 01:24

One more interesting/weird thing: DVDShrink reports that that missing vob has 8 audio streams, all with 0 MB, and 32 sub-pictures, all with 0 MB. Dunno if that has anything to do with the problem.

jdobbs

22nd June 2004, 02:05

Piaf

24th June 2004, 00:58

Hi,

1. DVD-RB Version : 0.53a
2. Encoder being used: CCE SP 2.69.01.04
3. Using eclCCE? : No
4. Disc: Region 2 PAL - Master and Commander -6,77GB
5. Bug Encountered:

all went fine,getting this error while rebuilding the disc:
http://www.asdfhost.com/members/superpolm/dvdrb.png

cheers for another great tool btw!!;)

steinho

24th June 2004, 08:38

Two issues:

1)I find that rebuilding with 0.53a still produces error when burning with NERO 6 - says that there is errors in structure ... Doing the rebuild step with 0.52 instead works!!!

2)Could not load codex - contact nic error on single frame m2v files: I've found that using vobedit to extract the "not reencoded" m2v file, giving it the correct name and editing .inf file to set ratio to 100,0 (not sure if the last is nessesary) works!!! I can then rebuild with success afterwards - no "error in ifoupdate - contact developer"

Stein

RyLoS

24th June 2004, 09:38

I'm using AVISynth 2.54, CCE SP 2.67.0.27 with eccecl 1.81.
Im' using dgdecode.dll taken from dgmpgdec1012a.zip found in the software section of doom9 (i think it's last version).

The problem is that dgdecode.dll decode d2v files with version v06, BUT, the d2v files created by DVD-Rebuilder are not v06.
Opening an .AVS file with my player dgdecode says that d2v file is obsolete.

What can i do? If i need an older version of mpeg2decdg where i can find it?

Thanks in advance

RyLoS

Noah

24th June 2004, 09:52

http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/files/decodefix110.zip

wmansir

24th June 2004, 20:29

Ok, this is my bad. I told Doom9 I would update the D9 site guide for DVD-RB, but I forgot that the links to software get updated to the latest versions (either automatically or someone else does it). That's probably why a lot of people have been trying to use DGDecode and encountering problems. I'll fix it today.

lamster

24th June 2004, 20:40

Originally posted by steinho
2)Could not load codex - contact nic error on single frame m2v files: I've found that using vobedit to extract the "not reencoded" m2v file, giving it the correct name and editing .inf file to set ratio to 100,0 (not sure if the last is nessesary) works!!! I can then rebuild with success afterwards - no "error in ifoupdate - contact developer"

Someone else had suggested rerunning QuENC for that m2v with the same options except only 1 pass. Not only does that work fine, but if you do it before the rebuild phase, you don't get the "error in ifoupdate", and don't have to rebuild a second time.

Joergen

30th June 2004, 04:01

jdobbs: I have a bug for DVD-RB 0.54:

It might not concern almost anybody, but this disc I tried to encode to conver from LB to 16:9 comes out with only the first sub stream working in windvd or powerdvd, and dvdshrink shows the streams as 0MB but present. Doing a quick chunk through dvdshrink (of the original) in re-author keeps the subs working though.

Since the disc is from a disrespected studio and a letterbox movie (always a sign of incompetence) so it might be an authoring error.

I can send you files if you want to take a look jdobbs.

rayvt

30th June 2004, 04:11

Tried to do League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (NTSC-WS), with CCE-OPV. RB 0.54, CCE v2.66.01.07.
It came out much too large--5,228,167,168 bytes. When I redid it without OPV, it came out 4,654,751,744 bytes.
What further info do you need to debug this?

I see you only use 1% sample. Is this really enough? When I was doing DVD2SVCD, I used 4%.

Thanks.

sidders

30th June 2004, 06:58

Just used 0.54 version on Annie Hall. It cae out too big by 20mb. This is the first time that I have had an oversize movie with DVD-RB.

jdobbs

1st July 2004, 00:55

Originally posted by sidders
Just used 0.54 version on Annie Hall. It cae out too big by 20mb. This is the first time that I have had an oversize movie with DVD-RB. Were you using "half/half" or "steal" options? Also -- have you changed any of the TargetSectors= parameters?

sidders

1st July 2004, 06:53

no, didn't change any of those options

rayvt

3rd July 2004, 00:07

I got a buffer overflow error #0003, during rebuild. DDV-rb v0.54, on Once Upon A Time in America, disk 2. First time in a long time for this error.

Joergen

3rd July 2004, 00:45

Originally posted by rayvt
I got a buffer overflow error #0003, during rebuild. DDV-rb v0.54, on Once Upon A Time in America, disk 2. First time in a long time for this error.

That movie has 1GB+ of unreferenced video on disc2, could cause problems.

Faust2

3rd July 2004, 12:55

@jdobbs:

I can confirm that v0.54 resolved my first problem with stills/BOV. The famous "Brad Pitt Quiz" :rolleyes: in "7 Years in Tibet", R2, didn't work with 0.53a and PowerDVD, the picture freezed when using the button, although the sound seemed OK. Now with 0.54 everything is OK.

Keep it up!!

TheSeeker

9th July 2004, 13:46

This may be related to Open Known Issue #11 but in my Sony 5 disc changer the copy of Deer Hunter I made will skip backwards a second or two and replay what we just saw. Really quite wierd. It seems to happen at fairly regular intervals, possibly at the seams of the m2v files that cce breaks the movies up into. Not sure if I should have put this as an update to the Known Issue or put it here so I put the issue here.

Encoded with:

DVDRB 0.54
CCE 2.50
Newest decrypter to rip

rayvt

10th July 2004, 02:39

"...buffer overflow error #0003, during rebuild. DDV-rb v0.54, on Once Upon A Time in America, disk 2."

Turns out the problem was that one of the vob's didn't get ripped. Dvdshrink caught that right away. Seems that DVD-RB didn't figure it out at all, but just crashed during the rebuild stage.

Harm

10th July 2004, 19:42

Originally posted by TheSeeker
This may be related to Open Known Issue #11 but in my Sony 5 disc changer the copy of Deer Hunter I made will skip backwards a second or two and replay what we just saw. Really quite wierd. It seems to happen at fairly regular intervals, possibly at the seams of the m2v files that cce breaks the movies up into. Not sure if I should have put this as an update to the Known Issue or put it here so I put the issue here.

Encoded with:

DVDRB 0.54
CCE 2.50
Newest decrypter to rip
I have something similar with version 0.55b.
At 2 places movie stops (only in stand alone player) and when you go forward it shows the same images as several seconds before and then runs on again..... both places are not beginnings of chapters.....
weird :confused:

jdobbs

11th July 2004, 00:02

Originally posted by rayvt
"...buffer overflow error #0003, during rebuild. DDV-rb v0.54, on Once Upon A Time in America, disk 2."

Turns out the problem was that one of the vob's didn't get ripped. Dvdshrink caught that right away. Seems that DVD-RB didn't figure it out at all, but just crashed during the rebuild stage. Use DVDShrink then. If you want to make comparisons, go somewhere else.

Madibaman

8th March 2006, 20:52

Hi there.

Im running DVD-RB Pro and CCE Basic, having only succesfully build one movie, and the result was awesome.

After that, I installed some viewers, such as Quicktime, Flash, Realplayer, and some others that I can't remember (I just installed them without further ado during internet browsing).

Now, when I try to back up a movie ("Heat") I get an error message when the "rebuild" phase is well over, saying that there is an "error opening output VOB", with an errorcode "00035 00076".

Is there any connection between installing those wievers and the behaviour of DVD-RB? And, can you help me with that errorcode?

I tried to uninstall Quicktime and Realplayer, but the result was the same.

Please help me, if anyone can.

Best regards,

Madibaman.

jdobbs

8th March 2006, 21:43

That means your output directory is no longer valid. That typically happens when you delete something between the time you did the PREPARE and the REBUILD. I'd suggest you edit the REBUILDER.INI file and delete the lines for

SOURCE=
WORKING=
OUTPUT=

Then repoint to them from within DVD-RB.

Madibaman

9th March 2006, 12:25

Thanks, I'll try that.

Best,

Madibaman

TRALALA

13th April 2006, 11:05

1: DVD-RB 1.xx & CCE SP 2.66-2.70

In the phase "prepare" sometimes the Q Level = 1. I have compared the file V01_Q_ANALYSIS.avs in each pass and i found that RB deletes the last line:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:06
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Archivos de programa\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\DVDR\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
SelectRangeEvery(750,15)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:06
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Archivos de programa\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\DVDR\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
SelectRangeEvery(750,15)
ConvertToYUY2()

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:06
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Archivos de programa\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\DVDR\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
SelectRangeEvery(750,15)

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:06
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Archivos de programa\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\DVDR\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")

... etc.

RB Log is this:
[11:39:45] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE 2.70.2.0 encoder selected.
- "One Pass VBR (w/analysis)" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 2.963.883 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 190.248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 71,7%
- Overall Bitrate : 3.988Kbs
- Space for Video : 3.704.348KB
- Analyzing VTS_01 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):1.879.957
-- Sampling 3810 of 190248 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=26: 2.612.523
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=40: 2.055.976
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=45: 1.914.032
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=46: 1.130.739
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=19: 137.004
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=1: 164.013
- Q Value selected: 1
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 4.567/3.048/3.988 Kbs
[12:02:08] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 23 minutes.

:thanks: