DVD Rebuilder (One-Click Beta) Bug Reports - v0.30+

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Toranaga
My player is a Pioneer DV-545. I would not call that a cheap player. That's why I said "some".

[hypo20]

@jdobbs

Ok. I just tested DVD woth version 31. Everything is OK while making DVD, BUT:

1) DVD, that has still frames is doing BIG problems to standalones I have tested (about 9) (tested on Pearl Harbor)

2) video and audio stopps fot about one second and then continuing sometimes in the movie (not when changing chapters - tested on Pearl Harbor)

Actually, these are the only problems I have. Prob No.1 is the BIGGEST prob of this baby, I think. STILLS, grrrrrrrrr. I think, it is poisoning your mind every night, jdobbs. :D Only this problem, and I'll start use DVD-RB as regular backup tool for my DVD's. :)

[Sayitpunk]

DVD-RB 0.31
CCE 2.67.00.23
ECL-CCE Yes

Not sure if I can give you enough information, but here goes.

Attempting to do R2 PAL "Wizard of Oz"
This DVD has buckets of extras all contained in VTS 02 along with the movie, audio is as follows:-

Audio 01 6 Chan AC3 English
Audio 02 1 Chan AC3 French
Audio 03 1 Chan AC3 Italian
Audio 04 2 Chan AC3 English
Audio 05 1 Chan AC3 English
Audio 06 1 Chan AC3 English

I am discarding the two foreign language tracks, and keeping all the English tracks. All appears well with RB, but when playing back, the audio has gone from all the extras.

Power DVD reports the affected soundtrack to be English 4 (Which I suppose means Audio 06)

I hope this helps.

Congratulations on what already is a fantastic achievement.

[brikin]

Using .31
CCE 2.66

The video played back perfectly on my stand alone. The weird thing is when I rewind the time on the DVD player gets messed up. If I am on 8 minutes then rewind the time will change to some higher number (greater then 8 minutes) Fast forwarding has no ill effects. If I change the chapter the time corrects itself. I don't know if this is a navigation problem or what.

Like I said though video contiued to play fine. No stuttering what so ever.

Thanks
Brik

[quantum]

I noticed this too but it wasn't consistent. It only happened at certain points and didn't seem to happen every time. But it does suggest there may still be some things that need fixing.

[sreemv]

I moved DVD-RB into its own folder and checked the box "with AVS" (?) under the MPEg2DEC3dg.dll(?) option in setup(?)- I dont recall reading about the check box anywhere - but anyway that seems to have made a difference? - I do not get the buffer overflow, 0004 error anymore - atleast not with Harry Potter and Sorcerer's stone one.

And the quality on my first glance looks amazing after the 6 pass CCE.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by sreemv
I moved DVD-RB into its own folder and checked the box "with AVS" (?) under the MPEg2DEC3dg.dll(?) option in setup(?)- I dont recall reading about the check box anywhere - but anyway that seems to have made a difference? - I do not get the buffer overflow, 0004 error anymore - atleast not with Harry Potter and Sorcerer's stone one.

And the quality on my first glance looks amazing after the 6 pass CCE. Interesting. That means that you probably have an different version of MPEG2DEC.DLL resident on your computer somewhere that was previously doing the decoding. By clicking that box you've told DVD-RB to make AVISYNTH specifically use the version that is in the path. Is the MPEG2DEC3DG.dll path you selected located in the "plugins" directory of the AVISYNTH folder? My guess would be "no" -- another answer might be that the AVISYNTH registry entry points elsewhere.

[Joergen]

jdobbs, I dont know if its possible but wouldnt it help us all if you incorporated all the third party stuff into the dvd-rb.exe itself? Or make it an installer package that CANT go wrong. There seems to be too many variables with the extra stuff needing to be installed properly.

[jdobbs]

This is definitely a lesson learned from the beta test. When I release this I am going to remove the path choice for MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL and just put the file into the DVD-RB directory. I will then add the LoadPlugin() line to every AVS.

This is one of the reasons for a beta... is shows a procedural weakness that has caused a lot of problems -- that weren't really "programming" problems.

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, I dont know if its possible but wouldnt it help us all if you incorporated all the third party stuff into the dvd-rb.exe itself? One of the problems with incorporating third-party software into the program itself is that if it is open-source, I am obligated to make my code open-source as well.

I might do that eventually anyway, but if you look at all the versions of DVD2AVI or other software and try to figure out which one is the "right" one -- you can see why I want to (at least for now) keep some configuration control over the program.

[robw]

Originally posted by jdobbs
One of the problems with incorporating third-party software into the program itself is that if it is open-source, I am obligated to make my code open-source as well.

wouldn't an installation program that asks for the location of third party software, followed by verification, take care of this issue? You could store the information in an ini file.

[Joergen]

Oh yes, a CRC check for the 3rd party stuff would do the trick!

EDIT: On the other hand, the less easy it is to install the less likely sombeody will sell it on ebay for 10 bucks a pop.

[robw]

right now you can put in locations for some of the .dll files or not as you wish. If they're not given the program defaults to locating them in the registry. Rather than this, I'm suggesting that the program not run if these file locations are not specified.

When I started using DVD-RB, the program could not locate MPEG2DEC3. I reinstalled AVISYNTH. That still didn't work. Finally, I went to the registry and figured out (thanks quantum) that it was pointing to somewhere other than the avisynth directory. Actually, it was pointing to a subdirectory created by Chatwalker the creator of DVD2DVD-R. I suspect more than a few people using DVD-RB have fallen into the same "gotcha."

[loosenut]

@ Jdobbs:
Although Pal encodings work OK, I just did "Something's Gotta Give" R1. (0.31, CCE 2.50, 3pass)
Sound is OK, BUT, to my surprise, apparently THERE IS a picture "jump".
It's unnoticable to all chapter (and cell)transitions, except between 1&2. One has to be blind not to see it. And it's visible even on PowerDVD. It's a convertible going fast from the bottom to the top of the screen. Checking the m2v's, it seems to me that a couple of frames from the second chapter (cell 3)are left in the first (cell 2), so the jump is quite obvious. Maybe they are overlapping, but I can't be sure.
Checking the original cells, the cut between chapters is clear (different scenes)
IMHO, this could be a good testing DVD :)

[loosenut]

Originally posted by robw
I suspect more than a few people using DVD-RB have fallen into the same "gotcha."
LOL!!! Yes they have!!!:D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by loosenut
@ Jdobbs:
Although Pal encodings work OK, I just did "Something's Gotta Give" R1. (0.31, CCE 2.50, 3pass)
Sound is OK, BUT, to my surprise, apparently THERE IS a picture "jump".
It's unnoticable to all chapter (and cell)transitions, except between 1&2. One has to be blind not to see it. And it's visible even on PowerDVD. It's a convertible going fast from the bottom to the top of the screen. Checking the m2v's, it seems to me that a couple of frames from the second chapter (cell 3)are left in the first (cell 2), so the jump is quite obvious. Maybe they are overlapping, but I can't be sure.
Checking the original cells, the cut between chapters is clear (different scenes)
IMHO, this could be a good testing DVD :) Sigh... I did that one with CCE -- no jump on any of my three DVD players. When I did it with ReJig, though that scene had a huge sound dropout.

[jdobbs]

Just so you know -- I'm going over every line of code looking for this. I'm even rewriting the way in which I'm keeping frames (don't worry I've saved all the original code) so I can see if I have tunnel vision... This is the most important bug to me. I can correct for stills, I can incorporate button-over-video, and I can get interleaving working -- but none of it means anything if I can't deliver consistent quality on these "simple" DVDs... don't look for another version until I fix this.

[loosenut]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Sigh... I did that one with CCE -- no jump on any of my three DVD players. When I did it with ReJig, though that scene had a huge sound dropout.
On my 3 neither :). Maybe I could not see it, maybe they have some error correction. But since this is the first time I could actually see a jump on PowerDVD, plus the misplaced frames in the m2vs, I'd thought I'd mention it. Keep up the good work :)

[Joergen]

Neo.. erm JDobbs.. we believe! ;)

[dave88]

I tried again with DVDRB .31 and I still got the stutter, what I get seems like the video speeds up for about 1/2 second and is very noticable in powerdvd or on standalone otherwise quality is superb.

Hopefully you can get it worked out, because otherwise it's the most awesome tool to come around in a long, long time.

Thank you for your efforts

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
Neo.. erm JDobbs.. we believe! ;) I also just had an epiphany as to how I could ensure 100% frame-to-frame matching between mixed-mode interlaced/progressive as well as mixed telecined/straight-mode streams. I've already replaced the code and am testing overnight... if this works, never again will we NTSC'ers have to settle for one or the other when doing a CCE run. And for those who are concerned -- no, it isn't using CCE's reverse telecining...

If it turns out not to work (but I think it will), I'll go back in and delete this post so everyone will think I'm smarter. I have no pride.:D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by dave88
I tried again with DVDRB .31 and I still got the stutter, what I get seems like the video speeds up for about 1/2 second and is very noticable in powerdvd or on standalone otherwise quality is superb.

Hopefully you can get it worked out, because otherwise it's the most awesome tool to come around in a long, long time.

Thank you for your efforts Oh, I'll get it fixed. No doubt. It's almost assuredly just a timing error. There's always a way to fix it -- it just sometimes requires that I bang my head against the wall for a few hours before it is finally beaten into submission.

After this project I'm going to have a noticably flattened head.

[djan]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, not a biggy, and sorry to even bring it up, but on my machine 0.31 requires you to uncheck, and then recheck, the AudioDub(BlankClip()) everytime you open it. If you don't do this then AudioDub(BlankClip()) is not added to the scripts. It is not only the first initial use. I did make sure and delete the INI, but the same thing happens. Each time dvd-rb is opened, you must uncheck and then recheck the AudioDub(BlankClip()) feature to get it to work. Wow, I didn't read this post and did a movie with AudioDub(BlankClip()) checked but not used in the AVS file. Is it a big problem ? Do I have to remake the backup ?

There is one of my AVS files :

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("S:\- DVD -\GAD2_1_SCN\RB\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,1437)
FieldDeinterlace()
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Also, I would like to know. Like you see the script, does it use DECOMB to deinterlace ?

I'm using DVDRB 0.31 with CCE 2.50 SP. Thx.

[brikin]

Originally posted by brikin
Using .31
CCE 2.66

The video played back perfectly on my stand alone. The weird thing is when I rewind the time on the DVD player gets messed up. If I am on 8 minutes then rewind the time will change to some higher number (greater then 8 minutes) Fast forwarding has no ill effects. If I change the chapter the time corrects itself. I don't know if this is a navigation problem or what.

Like I said though video contiued to play fine. No stuttering what so ever.

Thanks
Brik

I just realized that I was using .30 instead of .31. .30 had the dvd as progressive instead of interlaced. So I re-encoded all my interlaced material as progressive. I will redo this tonight and see if this fixes the problem above.

Thanks

[nwg]

Is this stutter being introduced during rebuilding? So, I can take a project done with 031 and rebuild with the version that works and the backup will be perfect?

DDogg wrote,
jdobbs, not a biggy, and sorry to even bring it up, but on my machine 0.31 requires you to uncheck, and then recheck, the AudioDub(BlankClip()) everytime you open it. If you don't do this then AudioDub(BlankClip()) is not added to the scripts. It is not only the first initial use. I did make sure and delete the INI, but the same thing happens. Each time dvd-rb is opened, you must uncheck and then recheck the AudioDub(BlankClip()) feature to get it to work.


I only just noticed this. Audio seems fine on the ones I have done. What is the command for?

[Toranaga]

Like I said I did it with 0.28.

[KinhKha]

Movie: Bicentennial Man /Pal/region4
1. DVD-RB 0.31
2. CCESP 2.67.0.10 (1 pass)
3. EclCCE 1.8b
4. Remove Extra / keep 1 audio stream before doing DVD-RB . Compression 79%
Phase I and II worked ok
Phase III Rebuild : Error #0004 buffer overflow. at segment 6 VOBID:1 CellID:7

(This is the first time I have this error, the other tests just fine)

[jed]

1. DVD-RB 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered: run-time error '9' when rebuilding Alias season 1 disk 6.

Is this a comon problem ay the rebuilding stage, do you need any more info?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nwg
Is this stutter being introduced during rebuilding? So, I can take a project done with 031 and rebuild with the version that works and the backup will be perfect?




I only just noticed this. Audio seems fine on the ones I have done. What is the command for? First question: No. Second question: It is there to circumvent two bugs in CCE, one related to AMD processors and another associated with memory leaks. If you got through your encodes ok you have nothing to worry about.

[Wilbert]

Sorry for being ot:


FieldDeinterlace()
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
If you deinterlace before converting to YUY2, you should use

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=false)

or what is the same

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2()

However, since your are encoding to dvd I guess, you shouldn't deinterlace at all. In that case, just use

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("S:\- DVD -\GAD2_1_SCN\RB\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,1437)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Btw, about AudioDub(BlankClip()). I don't use CCE (so I'm sure someone will correct me), but with older versions as 2.67 you need that line so that CCE works correctly (reason is not important). 2.67 doesn't need that.

But I see it's working fine for you, without adding that line :confused:

[KinhKha]

Originally posted by KinhKha
Movie: Bicentennial Man /Pal/region4
1. DVD-RB 0.31
2. CCESP 2.67.0.10 (1 pass)
3. EclCCE 1.8b
4. Remove Extra / keep 1 audio stream before doing DVD-RB . Compression 79%
Phase I and II worked ok
Phase III Rebuild : Error #0004 buffer overflow. at segment 6 VOBID:1 CellID:7

(This is the first time I have this error, the other tests just fine)

continue testing on the same movie Bicentennial Man
I switch back to v0.26 and test it again . Infact I just put DVDRebuilder026.exe in the same DVD-RB 0.31 folder , press Transcode to do it again.
This time I have no error at all, everything came out just perfect.
(sorry to post a testing of old build v0.26 in the 0.30+ thread. )

Ps: I have no error at all with 0.26 (around 7 tests) . From 0.27 to 0.30: all runtime error 6. v0.31: 2 good , 2 error #0004

[nwg]

jdobbs wrote
First question: No. Second question: It is there to circumvent two bugs in CCE, one related to AMD processors and another associated with memory leaks. If you got through your encodes ok you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the reply.

1

It is a good thing that it won't as I put both DTS and DD and it ended up as 5.10GB. It would have fit if I just used DD. Therefore, I have decided to not use DVD-RB until the stutter is fixed. Although, it isn't a big problem for me as my main player plays the discs fine. I may try 026 again and look for the stutter I know in Matrix Revolutions. I have had no problems with that version.

2

So it is the same as the addaudio command. I have a AMD chip (Athlon XP 2000) and even though the command isn't put into the AVS scipts, it still works fine.

[bodhead]

hi all.
ok here heres my prob,i tried to do red dwarf series 4 disc 1 PAL.now its interlaced,everything goes fine encoding all of it,but if i play it back in my sony dvd player its like its not keeping the interlace.
its all jerky,same on power dvd.the original is smooth as silk,i have tried all setting in dvdrb 0.31.encoded it about 4 times now.i even tried decomb but it came out very soft.i want to keep the interlace if poss,maybe its a field problem but i cant select one or the other.

ps.
great program
i am using CCE 2.67.00.23 trial with eclCCE

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by bodhead
hi all.
ok here heres my prob,i tried to do red dwarf series 4 disc 1 PAL.now its interlaced,everything goes fine encoding all of it,but if i play it back in my sony dvd player its like its not keeping the interlace.
its all jerky,same on power dvd.the original is smooth as silk,i have tried all setting in dvdrb 0.31.encoded it about 4 times now.i even tried decomb but it came out very soft.i want to keep the interlace if poss,maybe its a field problem but i cant select one or the other.

ps.
great program
i am using CCE 2.67.00.23 trial with eclCCE

This is very intersting, in my opinion, since it is pointing to errors different from the ones related to still frames and image stutters...

I also have some troubles related to jerky encoding (but they are not related to the interlace), please see:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&perpage=20&pagenumber=11

In my opinion, for the implications with DVD-RB, it is better to wait until the actual 2 majour type of bugs of DVD-RB are corrected, since their impact on the % of the DVD title backups is very high...

Just for my couriosity, could you please check what is the size [I mean 720 x 576 or 704 x 576] which is reported by Dvd2Avi when you open each one of the VOBS of your title ?

Cheers,
SD

[wmansir]

Movie: This is Spinaltap / R1
1. DVD-R Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.5
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: FieldDeinterlace() added to SOME progressive clips, but Decomb was not loaded, so an avisynth error was generated.

This was another 1-click test I did overnight last night. I woke up and found it about 1 gig undersized. Examining the files I found that some of the progressive material had FieldDeinterlace() in the script, but decomb was not loaded in these scripts, which caused an error.

[djan]

Originally posted by Wilbert
Sorry for being ot:


If you deinterlace before converting to YUY2, you should use

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=false)

or what is the same

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) # probably better to use KernelDeint
ConvertToYUY2()

However, since your are encoding to dvd I guess, you shouldn't deinterlace at all. In that case, just use

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("S:\- DVD -\GAD2_1_SCN\RB\D2VAVS\V01A.D2V")
trim(0,1437)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

Btw, about AudioDub(BlankClip()). I don't use CCE (so I'm sure someone will correct me), but with older versions as 2.67 you need that line so that CCE works correctly (reason is not important). 2.67 doesn't need that.

But I see it's working fine for you, without adding that line :confused: Hi, the script is auto-generated by DVDRB so it's to jdobb to talk about. :)

I tried the same movie without FieldDeinterlace() and the movie looked very bad on WinDVD, I don't know if it's the same on my standAlone. Isn't the deinterlace function used to make compression easier and better ? If not, as I would use the DVD only on standalones, I prefer to not deinterlace.

I don't think DECOMB is needed when using ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true). Is it ?

[jikchung]

@jdobbs

1. DVD-RB Version: 0.31
2. Encoder being used: CCE-SP 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered:

Still getting chapter stutter, chapters not updated in display if rewind/FF is used, and wrong display of elapsed times.

On the other hand, this disc was giving me the 0004 error previously in rebuild. Saw the post by sreemv about specifying the path to MPEG2DEC3DG.dll. So I specified the path and got no error on rebuild.

[Wilbert]

I tried the same movie without FieldDeinterlace() and the movie looked very bad on WinDVD, I don't know if it's the same on my standAlone. Isn't the deinterlace function used to make compression easier and better ?
No. (Although it makes compression easier and better.) It is used it you encode to XviD/DivX (VCD, sometimes SVCD), for playback on your pc. When playing back with WinDVD you have to select one of those deinterlace options (somewhere in the menu :)). It should be fine on your standalone though.

Deinterlacing degrades the quality of the video.

I don't think DECOMB is needed when using ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true). Is it ?
True, not needed.

Hi, the script is auto-generated by DVDRB so it's to jdobb to talk about. :)
jdobb, where are you?

[bodhead]

to Sir Didymus

my VOBS show 720 x 576
if thats any help

[jdobbs]

If your source is interlaced -- ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) will be used. DECOMB will only be used if you have checked it under options and the source is interlaced. You don't always need to use deinterlacing -- in fact it is probably best not to use it in most scenarios.

Hi, the script is auto-generated by DVDRB so it's to jdobb to talk about Only if you select it.

[trebor]

Originally posted by robw
Finally, I went to the registry and figured out (thanks quantum) that it was pointing to somewhere other than the avisynth directory. Actually, it was pointing to a subdirectory created by Chatwalker the creator of DVD2DVD-R. I suspect more than a few people using DVD-RB have fallen into the same "gotcha."

That's exactly what happened to me to. Dvdrebuilder used the avisynth plugin located in c:\program\dvd2dvdr\avisynth\plugins instead of the one i just installed in c:\program\avisynth2.5\plugins. I have no idea why but editing avisynth path in registry did the trick :p
In my case it didn't result in any errormessage but instead the final outcome was way to small (around 1.5gb) but not any longer :D

[sreemv]

Does anyone else have problems burning the result from DVD-RB 0.31 to disk using Nero 6.3.1.6?

It complains "video files relocation failed"?

[tf]

I've done 4 movies with 0.31, neither have had Nero complain about the vobs. A few of the ones I did with 0.30 had.

-tf

[robw]

gearpro professional 6.03 also complains. I don't have the exact message right now but will post later. So far, I have ignored the warning and DVDs have played ok

[Toranaga]

I just tried Blade II NTSC again with 0.31 and playback is still choppy allthough less than with 0.28. However as long as the there are dopouts in the audio and video it is unusable. I am trying my luck with Finding Nemo PAL as I am typing this. I will let you now how it goes. I am using CCE 4-pass.

[Joergen]

Dont waste computing time with über-19-pass encoding if youre just testing.

I've done four burns from different movies with dvdrb 27 and 31 and nero hasnt complained.

[robot1]

@Toranaga
Isn't Finding Nemo multi-angle?
These features aren't supported yet.

[Toranaga]

It says nothing on the package about multi-angle.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by Toranaga
It says nothing on the package about multi-angle.

It's not multi-angle, it has seamless branching, which also isn't supported. It is what is used to do the 'visual commentary'.

[cleo510]

Hello jdobbs,

I've posted a bug report but unfortunaly I've created a new tread instead to post it in this one.
It's called DVDRB bug report and created yesterday by me (cleo510).
Have you a idea about this bug, Msc_Alex have the same bug!

Cleo510