Old RealAnime discussion

[Sirber]

Please redownload version 1.50, cbr has been corrected.

[satori]

Originally posted by Sirber
hum... I've heard AAC is better at 128kbps+, like 92kbps. About CBR, I'll test it.

Yes.for 64-128kbps AAC is better than RA8(cook)
Please add save jobfile opiton.Now Realanime made jobfile when start encoding.I want to edit jobfile made by Realanime.

[Sirber]

AAC+ can compete at 64kbps, not AAC, about saving the jobfile, it's against RealAnime philosophy: batch encoding.

[Latexxx]

Originally posted by Sirber
AAC+ can compete at 64kbps, not AAC, about saving the jobfile, it's against RealAnime philosophy: batch encoding.

BS. Cook and AAC are tied at the Roberto's 64kbps listening test.
http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/rja/plot12z.png
http://audio.ciara.us/test/64test/results.html

BTW. The maximum score would be five but none of these can even hit four.

[Sirber]

ha! the graph I wanted to see! :)

but, I see no point adding AAC right now. When AAC+ will works, I'll move cook for 64-96kbps and use AAC+ instead. RealAnime is a simple GUI, and I want to keep it that way.

[Sirber]

I'm adding AAC and HE-AAC to RealAnime. Since RealAnime works by audio mode and bitrate, HE-AAC will replace cook from 64kbps to 128kbps and AAC from 160kbps to 320kbps.

[Sirber]

*** Version 1.60 released ***

New:
* HE-AAC (64kbps to 128kbps)
* AAC (160kbps to 320kbps)
* Multi-channel (96kbps to 264kbps) *

Removed:
* Surround cook

Links in the first post! :D

*) might need pre-processing

[Sirber]

Since sometimes producer hang (stop encoding) in the middle of a file, but the file is encoded normaly through AVISynth, I'm adding AVISynth manual custom script support. Version 1.70 RC1 will be out soon. To use this feature, you'll have to build your own AVS except the first and the last line.

Here's a shot:
http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/customAVS.png

With this, my problem is resolved and people will be happy to have AVISynth support in "batch-mode" :D

[Sirber]

HE-AAC is broken. Please wait the next release.

*** RealAnime 1.70 RC1 released!!! ***

New:
* AVISynth support

Fixed:
* HE-AAC hang at 99%

[iwod]

Where is Surreal UI? And where could i get the source code for it?

I have been waiting for a long time. ( Simple because i got fed up with VB )

[Sirber]

the link can be found in my sighature, about the sources, I don,t remember if they are posted somewhere...

[Sirber]

I'm getting error code #128 from producer aften an encoding. I don't know if this is from using HE-AAC...

[RadicalEd]

Audio encoding doesn't seem to work at all for me, anything but video-only immediately kills the console with an error message.

[Sirber]

can I see the error message?

:logfile: :thanks:

[edit]

the error message is useless. get this binary:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/RealAnime.exe

This one will tell you what error # was returned by producer.

[Sirber]

Here's a shot of the bug:

http://sirber.no-ip.com/bug.png

my main server seems down, maybe a IP change.

[Sirber]

webernic.com is still down

as soon as it get back, I'll post RealAnime 1.70 RC2 with the scary, strange, hilarious, dark bug #128 fixed :D

Stay tuned! for another build no one will use except me :devil:

[darkonejr]

Any mirrors for this in the meantime?

Julian

[Sirber]

maybe...

[link removed]

please don't rush, I'm low on free bandwith these days :D

[edit]

webernic.com is up again. please use the links from the first post :)

[RadicalEd]

Video + Audio works now, but Audio only crashes with a producer error 1. Same thing happens when RV8 is used for video.

[Sirber]

:logfile: :thanks:

[RadicalEd]

It generates logfiles o_o?

[Sirber]

post your procudre.loc (for this encode) and your jobfile (in c:@)

[note)

I'm on beer wffect

¶/note¨)

[Sirber]

************************ WARNING ************************

There is currently NO support for HE-AAC playback in players.

Real Player 10: "codec not found" or crash (using rapc.dll)
Media Player Classic 6.4.7.5: excessive frame drop
Other DShow player: same as MPC

************************ WARNING ************************

Looks like: encode now, play another day :(

[Sirber]

*** New Release ***

Version: 1.80

New:
* Matroska output support
* Installer 20% smaller

Fixed:
* Audio Gain don't loose the focus until you give it the right value
* FFDShow pre-processing seek the filter in 2 default places
* CQ default changed from 65 to 70
* Removed the popup on exit

Link: http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/RealAnime_180.exe

Comments: please post any comments / bugs :D

[hellfred]

You should relativise your warning from before. At least i had no excessive frame dropping when using matroska container for storing HE-AAC audio streams :)

But i am stuck trying to get the playback of rm and mkv files with (HE-)AAC audio working on linux using mplayer :(

[Sirber]

the warning is for RMVB + HE-AAC, haven't tryed with MKV yet. Could you try with realanime? If it's #1, I'll set MKV by default and remove the warnings :)

[hellfred]

I will do some tests with v1.80 asap. I did two tests with RealAnime V1.7rc2 and hand-tuned the jobfile to use the rn-file-mkv instead of the normal file writer.
Both files played flawless.

[Sirber]

I converted a RMVB into Matroska, and the file is unplayable in MPC:

E:\Films\mkv>mkvmerge.exe -o E01.mkv E01.rmvb
jo!
Using RealMedia demultiplexer for E01.rmvb.
+-> Using video output module for stream 0 (FourCC: RV40).
+-> Using generic audio output module for stream 1 (FourCC: racp).
Opened 'E01.mkv' for writing.
progress: 74730/74730 packets (100%)
Writing cue entries (the index)...
Muxing took 440 seconds.

***

Stream 1

Media Type 0:
--------------------------
AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Audio {73647561-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {50434152-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_WaveFormatEx {05589F81-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 352800
cbFormat: 102

WAVEFORMATEX:
wFormatTag: 0x0000
nChannels: 2
nSamplesPerSec: 44100
nAvgBytesPerSec: 176400
nBlockAlign: 4
wBitsPerSample: 16

[Latexxx]

Use the Matroska output plugin. Don't use mkvmerge. Plugin has no problems writing working Matroska files.

[hellfred]

I encounter some problems when trying to encode using RV8
with all Modes (cbr, vbr, const Quality). Producer does not encode the file. Not related to mkv/rm container.

Encoding audio with more than 160 kbps seams to work not flawless, too.

Choosing 320 kbps e.g., RA will forgett to add the codecName to the jobfile:

<stream xsi:type="audioStream"> <codecFlavor type="uint">0</codecFlavor>
<codecName type="string"></codecName>
<pluginName type="string">rn-audiocodec-realaudio</pluginName>
<streamContext type="bag">
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
<presentationType type="string">audio-video</presentationType>
</streamContext>

[Sirber]

coudl you post your complete jobfile? what settings did you use?

[edit]

Case 7: '160kbps
intABRate = 160
intCodecFlavor = 3
strAudioCodec = "raac"
Case 8: '192kbps
intABRate = 192
intCodecFlavor = 4
strAudioCodec = "raac"
Case 9: '256kbps
intABRate = 256
intCodecFlavor = 5
strAudioCodec = "raac"
Case 6: '320kbps
intABRate = 320
intCodecFlavor = 6
strAudioCodec = "raac"there is a typo for 320kbps :D

[edit 2]

The select is fixed, I'm uploading it (same URL). I hope it was the only problem :D

[Sirber]

RMVB created with RealAnime are ok now if you use the lastest RealMedia splitter from gabest :D.

[hellfred]

What did i do?
Start RA1.8
Files ->Add avi file
Settings->Mode: Stereo Music(not changed)
Bitrate: 320kbps
The rest of the settings are untouched, so it is rv10, variable bitrate, high etc
Files ->Start Encoding
ERROR: Batch encoding abborted. Errors detected. Producer returned 1

C.\job_tmp.rpjf:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="US-ASCII"?>
<job xmlns="http://ns.real.com/tools/job.2.0" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://ns.real.com/tools/job.2.0 http://ns.real.com/tools/job.2.0.xsd">
<enableTwoPass type="bool">true</enableTwoPass>
<parInputs>
input xsi:type="avFileInput">
<filename type="string">E:\Rechner\Neu\Anime\RahXephon_-_Tagen_Hensoukyoku_(r00t_-_Subbed_-_EC13717F).avi</filename>
<prefilters>
<prefilter xsi:type="videoDupFrameDropper">
<enabled type="bool">false</enabled>
<maxDroppedFrames type="uint">1</maxDroppedFrames>
<maxAvgSSD type="uint">700</maxAvgSSD>
<maxAreaSSD type="uint">6000</maxAreaSSD>
<maxAvgChromaSSD type="uint">200</maxAvgChromaSSD>
<maxAreaChromaSSD type="uint">1500</maxAreaChromaSSD>
<earlyExit type="bool">true</earlyExit>
<enableDetailedLogInfo type="bool">false</enableDetailedLogInfo>
<pluginName type="string">rn-prefilter-dupframedropper</pluginName>
</prefilter>
<prefilter xsi:type="deinterlacePrefilter">
<enabled type="bool">false</enabled>
<manual type="bool">false</manual>
<deinterlace type="bool">false</deinterlace>
<inverseTelecine type="bool">false</inverseTelecine>
<pluginName type="string">rn-prefilter-deinterlace</pluginName>
</prefilter>
<prefilter xsi:type="videoNoiseReductionPrefilter">
<enabled type="bool">false</enabled>
<level type="string">low</level>
<pluginName type="string">rn-prefilter-videonoisereduction</pluginName>
</prefilter>
<prefilter xsi:type="audioGainPrefilter">
<enabled type="bool">false</enabled>
<gain type="double">0</gain>
<pluginName type="string">rn-prefilter-audiogain</pluginName>
</prefilter>
<prefilter xsi:type="inputCroppingPrefilter">
<enabled type="bool">false</enabled>
<left type="uint">0</left>
<top type="uint">0</top>
<width type="uint">0</width>
<height type="uint">0</height>
<pluginName type="string">rn-prefilter-inputcropping</pluginName>
</prefilter>
<prefilter xsi:type="blackLevelPrefilter">
<enabled type="bool">false</enabled>
<pluginName type="string">rn-prefilter-blacklevel</pluginName>
</prefilter>
</prefilters>
</input>
</parInputs>
<parOutputs>
<output>
<destinations>
<destination xsi:type="fileDestination">
<pluginName type="string">rn-file-realmedia</pluginName>
<filename type="string">E:\Rechner\Neu\Anime\RahXephon_-_Tagen_Hensoukyoku_(r00t_-_Subbed_-_EC13717F).rmvb</filename>
</destination>
</destinations>
<mediaProfile>
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
<disableAudio type="bool">false</disableAudio>
<disableVideo type="bool">false</disableVideo>
<outputWidth type="uint">0</outputWidth>
<outputHeight type="uint">0</outputHeight>
<resizeQuality type="string">high</resizeQuality>
<videoMode type="string">sharp</videoMode>
<audienceRefs>
<audienceRef>RealAnime</audienceRef>
</audienceRefs>
</mediaProfile>
</output>
</parOutputs>

<audiences>
<audience>
<avgBitrate type="uint">450000</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">2250000</maxBitrate>
<name type="string">RealAnime</name>

<streams>
<stream xsi:type="videoStream">
<pluginName type="string">rn-videocodec-realvideo</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">rv10</codecName>
<encodingComplexity type="string">high</encodingComplexity>
<codecProperties type="bag">
<firstPassComplexity type="uint">65</firstPassComplexity>

<customPacketSize type="uint">16000</customPacketSize>
</codecProperties>
<encodingType type="string">vbrBitrate</encodingType>
<quality type="uint">75</quality>
<maxStartupLatency type="double">60</maxStartupLatency>
<maxFrameRate type="double">30</maxFrameRate>
<maxKeyFrameInterval type="double">10</maxKeyFrameInterval>
<enableLossProtection type="bool">false</enableLossProtection>
</stream>
<stream xsi:type="audioStream">
<codecFlavor type="uint">0</codecFlavor>
<codecName type="string"></codecName>
<pluginName type="string">rn-audiocodec-realaudio</pluginName>
<streamContext type="bag">
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
<presentationType type="string">audio-video</presentationType>
</streamContext>
</stream>
</streams>
</audience>
</audiences>
</job>


In the section "audioStream" the codecFlavor is wrong - should be 6 - and coecName is missing completely.
This happens with every avi-file i have tested and an avs AviSynth script, too.

P.S.:
On my Windows98 the HE-AAC rm files still do not play flawless using MPC 6.4.7.6. But i will have to do some more testing to very this.

[Sirber]

Hi

<avgBitrate type="uint">450000</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">2250000</maxBitrate>
Error 1: Audio is 320kbps, 450kbps - 320kbps = 130kbps for the video.

<codecFlavor type="uint">0</codecFlavor>
<codecName type="string"></codecName>
<pluginName type="string">rn-audiocodec-realaudio</pluginName>
Error 2: Should be fixed in the lastest 1.80. Redownlaod it, and reinstall it.

Your main bug is not the source, but the jobfile created by RealAnime.

[hellfred]

About the rv30 issue:

I ran the jobfile produced by RealAnime 1.8 manually, activating all logging categories.
I found this error message:

Error: Failed to Set Property: Key customPacketSize Value 16000

This is the relevant part of job_tmp.rpjf:

<codecProperties type="bag">


<customPacketSize type="uint">16000</customPacketSize>
</codecProperties>

Deleting the contents of the codecProperties bag like this

<codecProperties type="bag">
</codecProperties>

Producer could encode the jobfile flawless.

Looks like the rv30 codec does not know about the costumePacketSize or accepts only lower values.
Karl may know that.

About the MPC playback:
Of course you are right. Playback can not be smooth when i only reserve that low bitrate for the video.
I set an higher average bitrate and all the new files play fine with MPC.
Thanks for the great player, Gabest :)

About LC-AAC @ 320
With the latest RealAnime v1.8 encoding to stereo music at 320kbps works fine. Thanks a lot :)

[bond]

Originally posted by hellfred
About LC-AAC @ 320
With the latest RealAnime v1.8 encoding to stereo music at 320kbps works fine. Thanks a lot:eek: 320kbps for music?
aac is such a great codec even 128kbps should be enough to get great quality, even for multichannel it would be an overkill
i hope you have a good reason for wasting bits ;)

[Sirber]

Looks like the rv30 codec does not know about the costumePacketSize or accepts only lower values.I haven't tested RV8 yet, since I'm more interrested in RV10 :rolleyes:. I'll update RealAnime and post the new release ASAP. Thanks!! :D

[Sirber]

1.81 upped and ready. For RV9/10, I force 16000, and for RV8, the setting is removed. Thanks for submiting the bug report :D

[hellfred]

Originally posted by bond
:eek: 320kbps for music?
aac is such a great codec even 128kbps should be enough to get great quality, even for multichannel it would be an overkill
i hope you have a good reason for wasting bits ;)

I have tested this setting just for bug-hunting, and I "succeeded" :D

[Sirber]

how dare you!!! :devil: ;) :D

[methos]

Is there a way to encode embedded subtitles in the source avi file (which to my knowledge are only accessible through vobsub) along in RealAnime so that they appear in the encoded rmvb file? or is there a way to extract them first and input them in RealAnime as a 2nd/3rd stream?

[Sirber]

each "input stream" are independant. The only way is to use "AVISynth" for each of your "input stream" externaly. RealAnime wasn't designed to take care of external audio nor external subs. But! Surreal UI will be able to manage all that stuff :D

[methos]

i figured that much... i hoped there was a way to deal with embedded subs in RealAnime. However there doesn't seem to be any way to do that now :(

[Sirber]

(AVI+Sub)-> AVS -> RealAnime -> RMVB

[methos]

ordinarily that would work. However i can't find a way to extract the subs from the avi... vdubmod doesn't recognize a seperate text stream. Grahpedit does, but if i use filewriter it generates a file of 2 byte... and if i mux it back into mkv/ogm/avi (compressed/uncompressed) the text stream disappears completely.

[Sirber]

Hi guys :D

I'm planning features for RealAnime 1.90!! :D

Here what I plan to add:
* Scheduler: start encoding at X hour, stop at Y hour
* Logs: instead if aborting, RealAnime will proceed to the next file to encode
* Drag & Drop
* CPU heat disipator: run HLT command when inactive to bring the CPU fan noise down (Delphi DLL or EXE)

Why these new features? Scheduler is for helping me to sleep :o, logs is to encode more and more whitout monitoring realanime :rolleyes:, and drag and drop, is for not wasting my time fighting with the "add" button :devil:

Any ideas are welcome :D, but keep in mind I won't change the main concept of RealAnime: easy batch encoding of my good animes :D

[tiki4]

Originally posted by Sirber

* CPU heat disipator: run HLT command when inactive to bring the CPU fan noise down (Delphi DLL or EXE)


First, congrats for your new Matroska edition. Really nice how fast you integrated the new Producer10 and Matroska writer.

Now, runnindg HLT? Shouldn't a modern OS care for that stuff? However, on some AthlonXP boards (at least ASUS) HLT is disabled anyway, because the CPU can fall asleep and won't wake up again...

Just my thoughts,

tiki4

[h9903209]

thx for your nice program, some questions:
1. can it convert ogm(avi+ogg) to mkv(rmvb+ogg)?
2. why only average bitrate but no max bitrate?

[Sirber]

Originally posted by tiki4
First, congrats for your new Matroska edition. Really nice how fast you integrated the new Producer10 and Matroska writer.

Now, runnindg HLT? Shouldn't a modern OS care for that stuff? However, on some AthlonXP boards (at least ASUS) HLT is disabled anyway, because the CPU can fall asleep and won't wake up again...

Just my thoughts,

tiki4 By modern OS, I hope you're not talking about windows :D. Linux can do that, but windows don't. Alao, this feature will be in "advanced" tab and not enabled by default. CPUIdle does the same job, but not in the way I want it :)

Originally posted by h9903209
thx for your nice program, some questions:
1. can it convert ogm(avi+ogg) to mkv(rmvb+ogg)?
2. why only average bitrate but no max bitrate? 1) Nope, RealAnime don't demux/remux stuff :(
2) Max bitrate is hardcoded to be 5x the average bitrate. Because of this, you need to have a SSE+3DNOW CPU or else you'll get 1x ;). Karl recommended 5x to have "constant quality" and help high motion scenes.

[damrod]

is there a checkbox to enable/disable two-passes encoding?