List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output) [Archive] - Page 7

a1677c

18th August 2009, 01:18

I can report back and state that the Samsung BD-P3600 will not play AVCHD’s. I’ve tried every scenario; removed auxdata folder, tried different brands of media including Verbatum on DVD-R 5 & 9, burned with & without CERTIFICATE folder, made sure it was 100% AVCHD compliant and had the latest firmware 1.03.

Every one of these discs has played on the Sony BDP 300 & Sony PS3 without fail.

So at this point I’d say the Samsung BD-P3600 isn’t AVCHD compatible.

GaPony

18th August 2009, 03:32

According to the Samsung documentation, the BD-P3600 plays all standard formats to include AVCHD... it also handles all common formats of media.

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2009/05/16/bd_p3600axaa/BD-P3600_spec.pdf

setarip_old

18th August 2009, 08:41

@a1677c

Hi!

I’ve tried every scenario...If you're using DVD+Rs, did you try making sure that the booktype was NOT changed to "DVD-ROM"?

Furiousflea

18th August 2009, 09:33

Sony isnt listed under this tab (BDRW BWU-100A) however even if it were it makes no mention of DVD-R media only DVD+R. The Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R.

You can't change the booktype of DVD-R....only +R

18th August 2009, 09:59

The Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R.

That's incorrect.

My friend's 3600 accepts +R but did NOT accept -rom (maybe FW updates have changed this behaviour).

And of course that 3600 DID play avchd.

a1677c

18th August 2009, 17:09

As I have stated the Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R media & that is what I am using. It states this in the manual http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/305/305BD3600.PDF Everyone keeps telling me to change the booktype when there is no way to do so with DVD-R media. However I originally tried DVD+R media this caused the player to lock up & a reset was required to eject. With the DVD-R it doesn’t lock up but stays in “loading” mode but of course does not load.

Unless someone has this same player & can tell me their steps verbatim with making a AVCHD then for now I’ll have to say the player is not AVCHD compatible. Possibly the latest firmware has messed things up for AVCHD. http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_rayplayers&model_nm=BD-P3600A&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P3600&model_cd=&menu=download

Have gotten many reports back on the Samsung BD-P1500 but no one seems to have the BD-P3600.

18th August 2009, 18:03

then for now I’ll have to say the player is not AVCHD compatible

Wrong

The player IS more than fine - you don't seem to have done it right.

I have tested multiple BD-RB avchds burned with imgburn to verbatim and other +R DL media with +R booktype: they all run fine

a1677c

18th August 2009, 20:56

No it was done right.

I'm putting the AVCHD's on DVD not BD.

The player works fine just won't play AVCHD & if your AVCHD's played fine prior to the update well that is fine; but there is no way to roll it back.

18th August 2009, 21:12

did you make sure to delete auxdata?

what settings DID you use with which version?

a1677c

18th August 2009, 22:03

As I have previously stated “I’ve tried every scenario; removed auxdata folder, tried different brands of media including Verbatum on DVD-R 5 & 9, burned with & without CERTIFICATE folder, made sure it was 100% AVCHD compliant and had the latest firmware 1.03.”

I’ve used Ripbot, AVCHDCoder & lastly Multiavchd using strict AVCHD compliance.
Tested & all worked a on Sony BDP 300, PS3 and Sony BWU-100A.

GaPony

18th August 2009, 23:53

I'll take your word that its not compatible...

Now that issue has been resolved, what are you going to do about it?

You can start using BD-R or BD-RE media or you can return the unit to the place of purchase and get something that is compatible.

In any case, complaining of a compatibility issue isn't getting you anyplace.

Furiousflea

19th August 2009, 01:34

Just wanted to apologise for not bothering to update the OP for god knows how long. Didn't really see the point since turbojet, or was it laserfan has made a far more detailed and legible thread over in the HD-DVD\Bluray forum.

a1677c

19th August 2009, 02:18

I agree GAPony & my last post on the matter was going to be the above #303. DK asked a question and I responded.

It isn't my unit otherwise I would have. Unfortunately his Canon AVCHD cam & a $360 Blu-ray player turned out to be a bad combo.

AVCHD content on a BD isn’t AVCHD compliant http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html

At any rake DK’s results were prior to the firmware update.

19th August 2009, 09:04

At any rake DK’s results were prior to the firmware update.

No they were not.
They were after latest FW for Europe was released and flashed to the player tested.

It did work before and after with DVD-DL media and +R booktype and of course no auxdata folder.

++++

At first you talked about AVCHD and -R & +R media.

Now you mention avchd burned to BD???

a1677c

19th August 2009, 17:26

You never mentioned what firmware update you are using? You also stated this “My friend's 3600 accepts +R but did NOT accept -rom (maybe FW updates have changed this behaviour).” So I would have gathered from that your test were prior to the update?

Either way you are in Europe PAL & I’m in the US NTSC which of course may make your firmware completely different.

Obviously the BD comment was for GAPony. My friend purchased the Canon Vixia HF100 specifically to burn the AVCHD content onto DVD-5/9 which is what ACHD is designed to do. He asked me to transfer the video to DVD-5/9 which I have done.

This probably isn’t the right thread for AVCHD anyway as I realize it is specifically for a List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output). But I was directed to this thread because of the AVCHD discussions.

“more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated” I will report that my 3 year old Sony BDP300 has played all AVCHD’s made with 3 different programs both with 100% AVCHD compliance & even those that aren’t AVCHD compliant such as with DTS sound.

19th August 2009, 17:39

Maybe your posting should actually be moved and title: i need help with ....

From all those comments of yours (you dont want me to comment on the silly pal/ntsc remark which has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about here in blu-ray land!) it may well be your device is not working properly or you dont do it the right way.

Either way the 3600 DOES play avchd fine.

a1677c

19th August 2009, 17:57

What firmware are you using?

So are you telling me those players sold in Europe & those sold in the USA use the same firmware updates? And it does not play AVCHD just fine.

19th August 2009, 18:06

I said latest EU FW (and that's 1.03 just in case you dont know where to get informed) and I definitely did NOT talk about BD but DVD-DL media instead.

a1677c

19th August 2009, 21:49

Ok I misread when I quickly perused through & the other guy saying to put AVCHD on BD. Sorry about that I corrected my abovementioned comment.

You say “I have tested multiple BD-RB avchds burned with imgburn to verbatim and other +R DL media” however this is not an avchd but blu- ray structure on a dvd. Correct?

I know firmware can vary there is at least one model out there that has different firmware for units sold in Canada vs. the USA.

Although you say you have had success with +R. This was my experience using Verbatim & Memorex +R media it caused his player to lock up. The DVD-R media didn’t cause lock up but never loaded so the +R media is too risky & again it states only -R media.

I have some DVD-R DL Verbatim that I have ordered found a 3 pack but very expensive. The only other brand I could find for DVD-R DL was Ridata which I have & tried.

I will retry once I get the Verbatim DVD-R DL and report back.

deank

19th August 2009, 23:26

Since you already know that all of your discs work with Sony equipment (your players and PS3 that you mentioned) I'd suggest you to find a way to test the same disc in Panasonic or JVC equipment. If it works there - just don't waste your time anymore, unless this friend of yours is a really-really good friend. :)

cwl7454

19th August 2009, 23:45

@a1677c

At one time my dvd players that I had would only play -R DL, since then I have upgraded to a oppo and a helios which plays everything. I prefer -R for media burning over +R for both regular dvd and double layer/dual layer.
Had to go on line but Phillips makes -R DL which is what I use, generally buy them 25pk as haven't seen them in 50 or 100 pack.

19th August 2009, 23:46

You say “I have tested multiple BD-RB avchds burned with imgburn to verbatim and other +R DL media” however this is not an avchd but blu- ray structure on a dvd. Correct?

It was what BD Rebuilder outputs as "stricter AVCHD compliance for for movie only"

I'm using nothing but +R media and have learnt the hard way that my 1600 and the 3600 of my friend only accepted +R as booktype but NOT -rom

with the EU 3600 this MAY have changed with latest firmware but not for the EU 1600

what burn speed have you used for the +R medie you say caused lock-ups?

i usually use half the max speed burning with imgburn

GaPony

20th August 2009, 00:48

I'm using nothing but +R media and have learnt the hard way that my 1600 and the 3600 of my friend only accepted +R as booktype but NOT -rom

To clarify... you mean DVD +R not booktyped to DVD-ROM was working... yes?

20th August 2009, 11:58

DVD-DL +R media (never wanted a BD5) with a booktypesetting to -ROM DID not work for the Samsung 1600 and 3600 as opposed to 1500, 2500 and 4610 (the latter did accept -ROM as booktype setting).

This was my very problem in the early days i had my new 1600: i used to burn my +R media with -ROM booktype and it did NOT work.
Trying for days and using different structures finally someone here in this forum hinted me at the booktype setting and that was precisely the problem: +R works

Another thing i found out after upgrading the firmware for my 1600 (i still regret having done so!): some media which played fine with the original and first FW did not play any longer - but only a few of those disks i had burned (same way, same media, same bd-rb settings as other media that still did play).

I then used tsmuxer to write the main movie (made movie only not full movie backups) AGAIN to avchd structure and guess what: they worked fine after that.

a1677c

26th August 2009, 06:38

Regarding the Samsung BD-P3600 I finally got it to work with AVCHD’s. (This came about by accident after playing a Blu-Ray disc.)When one puts a Blu-Ray disc in first then one plays an AVCHD all AVCHD’s discs will play on DVD-R 5/9 until the unit is turned off. Once the unit is turned off a Blu-Ray disc must be played for a second or two before playing a AVCHD again.

Interestingly on the Samsung BD-P3600 when the remote info button is pressed while playing an AVCHD it shows it as a DVD on the on-screen display & does not show video size, bitrate or audio info.

Tried playing a DVD+R AVCHD disc again once the abovementioned scenario had been done. This time it didn’t cause the player to lock up but immediately ejected the disc.

Regarding the booktype I did try to manually make the image in Imgburn & my Sony BDRW BWU-100A wasn’t listed in the booktype settings unless it’s actually made by a different manufacturer. While Verbatim DVD-R DL isn’t affordable at $11.99 per 3 the Ridata DVD-DL 25 pack are the same price as the Verbatim DVD+R DL media (which I usually buy). While I’m not a big fan of Ridata those DVD-R DL seemed to play as well as the Verbatim DVD-R DL so I guess my dilemma is solved. Just wished the Samsung BD-P3600 was AVCHD and DVD+R friendly.

setarip_old

26th August 2009, 07:00

@a1677cSo I’d have to say like the manual states it will only play DVD-R media.

http://reviews.cnet.com/blu-ray-players-recorders/samsung-bd-p3600/4507-9991_7-33488065.html?tag=mncol;psum

Samsung BD-P3600
More on this product
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.Manufacturer: Samsung.Part Number:BD-P3600..General
Product Type Blu-Ray disc player .Form Factor Tabletop .Width 17.3 in .Depth 9.8 in .Height 2.2 in .Weight 5.3 lbs .DVD
Media Type CD , DVD , BD-R , CD-R , BD-RE , CD-RW , DVD+R , DVD-R , BD-ROM , DVD+RW , DVD-RW
======================================================================================

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http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2009/03/14/bd_p3600xaa/BD-P3600_spec.pdf
Full multi format DVD playback:
BD-ROM, BD-RE, BD-R, DVD-ROM, DVD-R
(V mode only), DVD-RW (V mode only),
DVD+R (V mode only) DVD+RW (V mode
only)

GaPony

26th August 2009, 07:02

If you could return it, I would. It seems too much trouble for what you're wanting to do... copying onto BD9.

a1677c

28th August 2009, 07:15

If you could return it, I would. It seems too much trouble for what you're wanting to do... copying onto BD9.

If it was my player it would have since been returned & I’ve suggested it to my friend; but he likes the way it quickly plays Bd’s & DVD’s so doesn’t look like he’ll return it. At least now he can get to watch his AVCHD home movies from the player even if one has to perform this silly trick to do it.

I will try & use a menu on one AVCHD to see if it then will initialize from an off position. If of course it will accept the menu? Additionally at what bitrate should I opt to go to 720p versus 1080p? Any recommendation on this would be appreciated.

GaPony

28th August 2009, 21:37

The AVCHD in BD Rebuilder would imply that no menu support is present. BD-Rebuilder will compute the highest possible bitrate for the available space on the destination (BD5/BD9/BD25)... or at least thats my understanding. I've never used the 720p setting, so can't be alot of help to that specific question. In my mind it seems to make sense to leave everything at 1080p, as it would be downconverted by the HDTV/SAP if necessary and be available for 1080 HDTVs when available.

SLOVEHEART

16th September 2009, 00:20

I tried to encode a BD25 to DVD( and my Panasonic BD80K would not play it saying it was an unsupported disk. Someone said I should try to use 'stricter AVCHD complience for movie only' box. I am wondering if this means I would only beable to do movie only backup encodes - I assume the answer is yes. Also I am wondering about the booktype, right now I have my burners set to DVD-ROM as default; it seems as though people say one should use dvd+R or dvd+r dl booktypes instead - if someone could verify this for me I would appreciate it. In addition I have read something to do with the CERTIFICATE folder when using AVCHD encodes, again, if someone could explain what might need to be done to deal with these issues, I would really appreciate it.

thanks:thanks:

SLOVEHEART

1st October 2009, 04:17

[COLOR="Red"]more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated

I just got a sony bdp-s360 and it plays bd rebuilder full backup encodes to bd9 (dvd9) perfectly, it lists the file system as avchd, and it will play a dvd-rom or dvd+r dl disc - both work, also the discs I encoded to test the player out (ocean's twelve, ocean's thirteen region a decryted w/ anydvdhd 6.5.8.6 and 7) will play with video output set at 1080p / 24p setting on!!!

hope this helps some soul...

Wombler

1st October 2009, 09:35

I just got a sony bdp-s360 and it plays bd rebuilder full backup encodes to bd9 (dvd9) perfectly, it lists the file system as avchd, and it will play a dvd-rom or dvd+r dl disc - both work, also the discs I encoded to test the player out (ocean's twelve, ocean's thirteen region a decryted w/ anydvdhd 6.5.8.6 and 7) will play with video output set at 1080p / 24p setting on!!!

hope this helps some soul...

Excellent!

Thanks for that info Sloveheart as that's one of the models I'm currently considering.

Wombler

jdobbs

1st October 2009, 13:47

Excellent!

Thanks for that info Sloveheart as that's one of the models I'm currently considering.

WomblerThat's the model I have also. You can get it for slightly over $200 now, it was almost $300 a couple of months ago. It seems to work with everything.

JJB

1st October 2009, 15:26

That's the model I have also. You can get it for slightly over $200 now, it was almost $300 a couple of months ago. It seems to work with everything.

It's $174.77 and free shipping from Amazon today.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-S360-1080p-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B001URWAYG

GaPony

1st October 2009, 17:40

Wow! They must be making room for the new models coming out later this month... Sony seems to be taking this Blu-Ray thing pretty seriously. :)

Capsbackup

2nd October 2009, 00:51

Wow! They must be making room for the new models coming out later this month... Sony seems to be taking this Blu-Ray thing pretty seriously. :)

Lower the price, sell more units. Same with the PS3.
Maybe they have been reading the Doom9 forum, since they get plenty of positive feedback here. :p

Wombler

2nd October 2009, 15:41

That's the model I have also. You can get it for slightly over $200 now, it was almost $300 a couple of months ago. It seems to work with everything.

Oh excellent.

I guess if you have one yourself then it's guaranteed to work with BD-Rebuilder. :)

It's now down to £149 on this side of the pond so I think I'll take the plunge soon.

Wombler

jdobbs

2nd October 2009, 19:02

Oh excellent.

I guess if you have one yourself then it's guaranteed to work with BD-Rebuilder. :)

It's now down to £149 on this side of the pond so I think I'll take the plunge soon.

Wombler Well, one thing is for sure -- if something doesn't work on that model -- you can pretty much count on a quick-fix. :p My priorities start with me. :)

SLOVEHEART

2nd October 2009, 20:18

Well, one thing is for sure -- if something doesn't work on that model -- you can pretty much count on a quick-fix. :p My priorities start with me. :)

By quick fix - you mean fw updates?

I read a post by BigOrange in afterdawn.com where he says that he had a player, and updated the fw and then it wouldn't play BD Rebuilder discs anymore, or it is hit and miss - his advice, if nothings broke - stay away from fw updates...what does everyone else think about this?

setarip_old

2nd October 2009, 22:02

@SLOVEHEART

Hi!

I've read at other forums that firmware updates for PS3s have had the habit of either freezing drives or making them non-functioning - requiring replacement...

jdobbs

2nd October 2009, 23:36

It's all in the reliability of the system and the manufacturer. I do firmware update to my Sony devices as soon as they are released and I've never had an issue.

JJB

3rd October 2009, 01:36

Just did a fw update on a Samsung P3600 that was supposed to stream Netflix and Pandora. After the up date it added Blockbuster and Youtube streams. FW updates are necessary and all worked wireless. Cool.

GaPony

3rd October 2009, 03:49

@SLOVEHEART

Hi!

I've read at other forums that firmware updates for PS3s have had the habit of either freezing drives or making them non-functioning - requiring replacement...

I've never even heard of that happening... That's not to say its an idiot proof operation.

I always update firmware as soon as I know about an update being available and have read up on what it changes. The only exception is taking the PS3 to 3.x... I need to find out a little more about that one.

SLOVEHEART

3rd October 2009, 21:12

I've never even heard of that happening... That's not to say its an idiot proof operation.

I always update firmware as soon as I know about an update being available and have read up on what it changes. The only exception is taking the PS3 to 3.x... I need to find out a little more about that one.

Just did a fw update on a Samsung P3600 that was supposed to stream Netflix and Pandora. After the up date it added Blockbuster and Youtube streams. FW updates are necessary and all worked wireless. Cool.

It's all in the reliability of the system and the manufacturer. I do firmware update to my Sony devices as soon as they are released and I've never had an issue.

I wasn't saying that the fw update proceedure could go wrong, rather the fw update possibly could change the players ability to play BD Rebuilder full backup disks.

I guess it probably won't change the playability of bd rebuilder full backups - my sony came w/ fw ver. 002 now it is at version 006, i would like to do the update - I just read how this fellow said the playability of bd rebulder discs changed on him - I don't know what player he was refering to - I believe it was a first generation Sylvania...

also for those thinking about the sony bdp-s360, for BD live you will need a usb flash device to connect out of the back of the player to store the Bd live info, this could be a hassle somewhat, I never use BD live, and when I make my Backups w/ AnydvdHD I alway disable BD live. FYI

GaPony

4th October 2009, 01:22

We keep getting back to the point that was the genesis for this thread... All Blu-Ray players are not created (or supported) equally. People who use BD-Rebuilder, should read this thread carefully before buying a new Blu-Ray player. It doesn't have to influence your purchase, but you'll have a good idea of its suitability for playing the various flavors of BD-Rebuilder copies. People who only play original discs, don't need to worry about it... and probably don't hang around here anyway. :)

dragonknight

5th October 2009, 02:26

@DK

are you saying that the samsung bdp 1500 will play full bd9 disc or just movie only bd9 disc?

GaPony

5th October 2009, 04:30

According to the first post of this thread... the BD-P1500 should play a full copy on a BD9 disc, provided you remove the BDMV\AUXDATA folder prior to burning. I'm not sure how many people have verified it, but it certainly had some discussion early on.

If you have different results, I'm sure others would like to know that too.

dragonknight

5th October 2009, 05:25