List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[deank]

I'm sure it will work... also check if you have the latest firmware (I saw some updates for these models).

[DK]

I check the software update page for the bd-1600 multiple times a day and until last night there was no update available for this model.

recently fw were released for 1500 + 2500, that's true.

will let all of you know later tonite what booktype settings and your file may provide.

[prenz]

Sample from deank works fine on my 1600. Just had to remove AUXDATA, burnt to a +RW with +RW-Booktype set.

[DK]

Thank you so much, prenz!

Finally i got the Samsung BD-P1600 to play a BD9.

I use Imgburn for burning the Verbatim DVD+R DL media but i had to search for quite a while to find the option under "write" by the name of "automatically change book type" which i had to DISABLE in order no to set the book type to DVD-ROM but to the default dvd+r.

I used movie only, bd9 and NO auxdata and now the first of my many conversion runs on the Samsung 1600.

Will have to re-burn the other titels, which were burned with -rom booktype and which run fine on samsung 1500, 2500 and even 4610 but not the 1600 model.


The file deank linked also played fine burned to a dvd+rw with +rw booktype.



One more thing:
I had frozen images (sound played on) every 2-3 minutes with the 1600 set to 24p AND 1080p.
Disabled 24p and set to 1080i the first movie plays for quite a while without frozen images.

The frozen images btw will keep on playing after some 2-4 seconds but it repeats itself over and over again every 2-3 minutes with 24p film mode and 1080p.

[prenz]

Hi DK, glad to hear that this worked for you too! :)

I've been pondering a bit as to why the 1600 won't play a ROM-Booktype - maybe it's because a lot of bootlegged BD-/HD-Discs from Asian markets are actually pressed DVDs which contain AVCHD-Structures. I mailed the Samsung-Support about this, but I don't expect an honest response in that matter.

I guess Furiousflea can move the 1600 to the "Movie-Only"-Section (i'm gonna try Full Movie one of these days. My first try wasn't rejected by the player, but didn't play either - frozen with black screen)

I'm watching a BD5 right now (not BD-Rebuilder, but homebrewn using x264/eac3to/tsmuxer taken off a HDDVD), 1080p@24, but no freezers within the first 30 mins so far...

[deank]

Just a note... For example in Panasonic BD-3x user manual there is an explicit note that player DOES NOT support DVD-ROM media for JPEG/AVCHD playback. Take a look at your players' manuals.

[turbojet]

On avsforum at least 2 people reported these players playing with AVCHD camcorder clips which in theory should equate to movie only with strict avchd setting enabled.

Olevia BD-110
Panasonic DMP-BD80
Pioneer BDP-05FD
Pioneer BDP-LX70
Samsung BD-P3600
Samsung BD-P4610
Sony BDP-S1
Sony BDP-S5000ES

Some of these are discontinued, some are brand new. Nothing else has been tested on them.

[deank]

Camcoder AVCHD files have almost nothing to do with AVCHD output from tsmuxer/bd-rb/multiavchd/etc. As I posted a lot of times - what camcoders produce is a real avchd output, not the one from tsmuxer, so don't confuse them.

[turbojet]

I should have clarified myself a bit. Most of the camcorder clips were output as (m2)ts files that had to be converted to AVCHD, some used TSMuxer, some used Pinnacle Studio 12, some used Arcsoft, some used Nero. Some didn't mention what they used, unfortunately I didn't note it. But if it's directly output from camcorder would there be differences in bdmv/clpi/mpls files compared to tsmuxer?

At some point I will try to test Olevia BD-110, Panasonic DMP-BD80, Samsung BD-P3600, Samsung BD-P4600 at stores with various tsmuxer outputs. Unless someone beats me to it. But it's ok to leave them off the list until confirmed. I see DK has confirmed the Samsung BD-P4610 working with strict avchd setting enabled a few days ago.

deank: Also a bit OT but do you know if the differences in movieobject.bdmv of bluray output between 1.8.35-1.9.7 vs 1.9.8-1.9.9 affects playability?

[deank]

...if it's directly output from camcorder would there be differences in bdmv/clpi/mpls files compared to tsmuxer?

Yes. Otherwise tsmuxer's output (with compatible AVCHD video+audio) would have played back in the camcoder/avchd bd player via sdhc.

... Do you know if the differences in movieobject.bdmv of bluray output between 1.8.35-1.9.7 vs 1.9.8-1.9.9 affects playability?

No. movieobject.bdmv is the ONLY file that has no impact on BDMV/AVCHD modes. Some players will ignore certain nav-commands in movieobject if in true AVCHD mode (like setsecondstream/pip).

[dav88]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but just upgraded to firmware 2.4 on BD-P1500 and all my bluray on dvd play now. It has all the folders(auxdata etc.).

[turbojet]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but just upgraded to firmware 2.4 on BD-P1500 and all my bluray on dvd play now. It has all the folders(auxdata etc.).

Is this full backup or movie only?

[dav88]

It's movie only.

[turbojet]

FuriousFlea: as of 0.28.08 movie only refers to strict avchd enabled only. Movie only without strict avchd won't play on most players. Maybe you want to change it to 'Movie Only (strict avchd enabled only)' ?

[DK]

Since posting in this thread that Samsung 1600 is MovieOnly comptabile (now that booktype issues have been solved thanks to members here) and writing a PN asking to add the 1600 to the compatible list, I'm posting here once again:

please add Samsung 1600

[Wolfe999]

I'm a little bit lost and tired, so please bear with me a little.

I've been using DVD Rebuilder pro some years now and yesterday I got my new PC (just for BD-Rebuilder... nothing else), an i7 920 with 6GB RAM, a decent graphic with 512 MG dedicated and an asus mobo... (I don't have the specs at hand) I don't even plan on conecting that machine to the net :)

JDobbs I think you are creating a fantastic program again and of course you'll soon get my first donation for this program).

OK, yesterday night I ripped the HULK and did it "movie only" (I plan on doing always only movie with no extras and 2 languages + 2 subs. I think everything went OK, though I'm not sure because I haven't been able to make Cyberlink PDVD read the image I created with Imgbrn and mounted on Elby VirtualCloneDrive. Always got the message format not recognized.

I installed MPC player and could see it (though very jumpy) and "saw" that the quality was awesome and all was synchronized.

I still have no Blu Ray Standalone player (for the moment I spent the money on my new PC). But I need you to recommend me one that "eats" my movie only... I didn't check the AVCHD on BD-Rebuilder, shall I have to do it? A friend of mine will buy the standalone player almost as soon as you recommend me one and will try the rips there for now. Well, now I'm gonna burn HULK on a DVD DL and just try it in my LG burner, but it won't be the same.

And last (sorry for the "rant".., I know I'm becoming lost in a vast garden) I want to keep my new PC as clean and uncluttered as possible. Besides the codecs that may come with Power DVD and the ones I had to install with BD Rebuilder, I haven't installed anything else. Can you tell me what else I have to install and the way to configure MPC so as to see smootly the resulting BD rip?

Another thing, I also bought some really cheap HD DVD and I'd like to know if I can convert them to BD9? I know this last night I read something about a guide written by FuriousFlea, but for my life that I can't find it now.

Sorry If I've went out of this thread at some moments and I'd really appreciate all the help that you can give me on these issues.

regards :)

[setarip_old]

@Wolfe999

Hi!I also bought some really cheap HD DVD and I'd like to know if I can convert them to BD9

Read the "HD-DVD" portion of this easy-to-follow guide by "Quadcore":

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

[Wolfe999]

@Wolfe999

Hi!

Read the "HD-DVD" portion of this easy-to-follow guide by "Quadcore":

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

Thank you, setarip_old. I will try it. I suppose that if I rip the HD DVD complete and then convert it to Blu Ray, I could keep the languages and subs I'd want and use BD-Rebuilder, right? Well, I'll try it.

If anybody, you included setarip_old, can help me with the rest of the issues, it would be much appreciated. Especially the Power DVD thing. It seems everybody can play an ISO while I only receive the message format not compatible or unrecognized... :?:

Regards
Wolfe999 :)

[turbojet]

Wolfe999: if you replace tools\tsmuxer.exe with the exe from 1.10.6 (http://www.videohelp.com/download/tsMuxeR_1.10.6.zip) and check strict AVCHD in BD-Rebuilder it should play in powerDVD and all but 1 or 2 (both samsung) standalone players.

[Wolfe999]

Wolfe999: if you replace tools\tsmuxer.exe with the exe from 1.10.6 (http://www.videohelp.com/download/tsMuxeR_1.10.6.zip) and check strict AVCHD in BD-Rebuilder it should play in powerDVD and all but 1 or 2 (both samsung) standalone players.

@turbojet: Thank you very much. A very useful info indeed. Tonight I will repeat HULK with the settings & change of exe you recommended. It's great to know that with the exception of those Samsung, the DVD's will play in all standalone's. :)

[turbojet]

Your welcome. I also forgot to mention that you can use the latest tsmuxergui on your already encoded output by inputting the PLAYLIST/00000.mpls, choosing avchd output and start muxing.

Also forgot to mention Sharp players don't play any backups of any kind other than that all tested play movie only.

As for a suggestion on a BD player if you are looking for playing full backups on dvd only some samsungs and sony players out of the ones tested currently work (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146339).
If you are only going to play back movie only any player except Sharp's play so it really depends on the other features, brand bias, price, etc.

A few things that may be intriguing:
- Panasonic playback of AVCHD from SDHC cards
- LG BD390 playing mkv/mp4/divx/xvid
- Panasonic playback of divx/xvid
- netflix/amazon streaming

[Wolfe999]

@turbojet: Yeah, I will always do movie only backups. I prefer to give all the space possible to quality of the movie. Besides, and it's jus my opinion, of course, with the exception of a few movies and some good editions (kind of Criterion), the extras are almost always filler, so for me are not worthwhile.

From what I was reading last night, I was going to choose Sony, but I like the alternative you give of the Panasonic & LG.

Thanx again :)

[spiffy]

Sorry if this is slightly not on topic; but I'm having a hard time locating a brand new (unopened) unit of Sony BDP-S550; even the Sony store is only selling refurbished ones. My local store (Fry's) tells me it's discontinued; can anyone give me some suggestions on what should I do to get full compatibility, or should I bite the bullet and get an open box one? Thanks in advance!

[GaPony]

Sorry if this is slightly not on topic; but I'm having a hard time locating a brand new (unopened) unit of Sony BDP-S550; even the Sony store is only selling refurbished ones. My local store (Fry's) tells me it's discontinued; can anyone give me some suggestions on what should I do to get full compatibility, or should I bite the bullet and get an open box one? Thanks in advance!

Unless you just happen to require the 7-channel analog output, find yourself a deal on a Sony BDP-S350. They are pretty much identical with that one exception. If you want the newer model, look for the BDP-S360.

[spiffy]

Unless you just happen to require the 7-channel analog output, find yourself a deal on a Sony BDP-S350. They are pretty much identical with that one exception. If you want the newer model, look for the BDP-S360.

Thank you, GaPony; is it confirmed that BDP-S360 has full compatibility just as the previous models?

[GaPony]

Thank you, GaPony; is it confirmed that BDP-S360 has full compatibility just as the previous models?

I can't speak for the BDP-S360, since its brand new to market, but a friend of mine has the BDP-S350 and it does everything just as well as my BDP-S550, with the exception of the 7-channel analog outputs. In full disclosure, neither of us spend alot of time messing around with a bunch of custom setting for any particular movie, so my comments are directed to quality audio and video playback of just popping in the disc and watching the movie. :)

My guess is that Sony has taken some lessons learned from the BDP-S350 and applied them to the newer BDP-S360, and the same will likely be true for the BDP-S550 in regards to the BDP-S560, when it comes to market. Sony has a good record of improving things with each new model.

I would recommend going to an electronics store with a couple of copies (copied with some varying BD-RB settings) and see how well they play on whatever player you are considering purchasing. Running around to other friends houses to see if your copies work on their setups is also a good idea.

[drmih]

I have just discovered that the issue with Sony players and Universal and or PiP discs is nothing to do with the encoding. I took the same bd-9 full disc output and burnt it to a bd-re and it played fine in a sony 550. I then burnt it to a bd-9 and the audio couldn't be selected.
Not sure what is going on.

[user822]

Thinking about that now....
If i buy a bd-p1500 should i better NOT update the Firmware to keep it compatible?

[DK]

i wouldnt buy the older 1500 - go for the new 1600 instead; it's a great player now that i know that AVCHD requires +R as booktype.

same goes for the 3600 as well.
friend of mine got the 3600 and like my 1600 it only accepts AVCHD when +R is used as booktype but not -ROM.

it is annoying btw to see that this thread has NOT been updated and still wrongfully states the samsung 1600 as NOT compatible which is wrong though i have pointed out in this thread that using a different booktype setting changes solves the issue and also send a PN, which was ignored.

[GaPony]

Thinking about that now....
If i buy a bd-p1500 should i better NOT update the Firmware to keep it compatible?

Actually... you should buy the Sony BDP-S360 instead. :) I have the Sammy BDP-2500 and it offers NetFlix streaming, but its a long way from Blu-Ray quality, so I don't bother.

[Wombler]

I found this guide (http://www.corusa.com/public/Blu-Ray_Backup_Guide_milOtis.pdf) cited on another forum which purportedly creates BD-5s that will play on any Blu-Ray player.

The author claims this is possible by taking the BD-Rebuilder output, patching the index.bdmv file then burning with the UDF 2.50 file system.

Naturally I take all these claims with a large degree of scepticism as the guys here have probably already done this to death but is there any element of truth in these claims?

BTW the first bit of this PDF just goes through the standard ripping/BD-RB procedure and the relevant stuff is from page 25 onwards.


Wombler

[deank]

Congratulations! You have successfully backup up a Blu‐Ray disc to a BD‐5 DVD! Since we patched the index file, and burned
the DVD in UDF 2.50 format, this disc will be playable in any home/set‐top or computer Blu‐Ray player!

I wonder if he ever tested what he described and even if he did, how many "blu-ray players" did he test with to state so bravely that it will work in "all".

AVCHD patcher is a simple tool that adds some bytes (if index.bdmv if from BDRB's full backup ouput) in index.bdmv which may work for some bd discs (especially when played in ps3), but that's it.

[GaPony]

I'd say he's take a very long way around to create a movie only copy to BD5. BD-Rebuilder is currently quite capable of creating a movie only copy to BD5 discs that will play on "most" players without all the hocus pocus stuff that writer was talking about. Its the full movie backups that are problematic for many people.

Personally, I just don't see the need to use Daemon Tools, or to bother mounting/dismounting ISO images. A simple "Rip to Hard Drive" with AnyDVD-HD is all that's required.

I think the writer needs to do some more testing and research... he has many flaws.

[deank]

Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1296498#post1296498) is an interesting one...

[Wombler]

I wonder if he ever tested what he described and even if he did, how many "blu-ray players" did he test with to state so bravely that it will work in "all".

AVCHD patcher is a simple tool that adds some bytes (if index.bdmv if from BDRB's full backup ouput) in index.bdmv which may work for some bd discs (especially when played in ps3), but that's it.

Thanks for the clarification deank.

I thought this was nonsense but wasn't entirely sure.


Wombler

[Wombler]

Personally, I just don't see the need to use Daemon Tools, or to bother mounting/dismounting ISO images. A simple "Rip to Hard Drive" with AnyDVD-HD is all that's required.

I think the writer needs to do some more testing and research... he has many flaws.

My thoughts exactly, there's no need to mess around with ISOs and it's a lot simpler without that.


Wombler

[GaPony]

Its probably a fool's errand to even attempt any sort of detailed guide at this point. All the programs being used, for the most part, are undergoing rapid changes in development and any written guide is going to be obsolete as soon as its published. The same is true with Blu-Ray players... lots of new models, lots of firmware updates, its very difficult to tell whats going to work with what combination of copying tools, and whith what settings used.

Furiousflea has as good a list of compatible players that I've seen, and the BD_Rebuilder guide posted here on this forum is a good as one can expect.

[Category 5]

i wouldnt buy the older 1500 - go for the new 1600 instead; it's a great player now that i know that AVCHD requires +R as booktype.

same goes for the 3600 as well.
friend of mine got the 3600 and like my 1600 it only accepts AVCHD when +R is used as booktype but not -ROM.

it is annoying btw to see that this thread has NOT been updated and still wrongfully states the samsung 1600 as NOT compatible which is wrong though i have pointed out in this thread that using a different booktype setting changes solves the issue and also send a PN, which was ignored.

Trying to figure this out in IMGBurn but can't

What do I change to get this working?

[setarip_old]

@Category 5

Hi!

Click on the following link:

www.forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9992

[Category 5]

@Category 5

Hi!

Click on the following link:

www.forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9992

thanks setarip. I changed it to normal (only other options are dvd-rom and dvd-rw) but when it burns imgburn still says booktype:dvd-rom and of course the resultant disc fails to play on my 1600

[setarip_old]

@Category 5

It may be, as it was with a Pioneer burner that I have on one of my systems, that your burner automatically sets D/L media as "DVD-ROM"...

[DK]

Since the link Setarip posted does not work for me I cant judge what solution has been proposed but in my case i had to UNcheck the topmost box: Auto "change booktype" in order for my LG burner to use +R as booktype for the DVD-DL media.

[tyau]

Good news. A friend of 20 years has a new addition to his home theater: the Sony BDP-S360.

I lent him a couple of my BD-RB BD5 movie-only and they play flawlessly. Full movie works as well. However, because my friend of 20 years refuses to let me into his home, I can only confirm by what he is telling me. All formats of BD-RB DVD discs work.

[GaPony]

That's an interesting "friendship" you have. :)

I would expect the S-360 to work pretty much like the S-350.

[tyau]

That's an interesting "friendship" you have. :)

I would expect the S-360 to work pretty much like the S-350.


LOL!!! Yeah I believe he is a germ-phobic. Having his grandchild living with him makes him even more conscious of germs and people bringing in bacteria from the outside.

Anyway, I believe the S-360 being very similar to the S-350. Perhaps the S-360 has more features and made in China compared to the S-350 with less features and made in Japan. That's just my speculation; I haven't done a research on it. I already have a Sony S-550.

I find it a pleasant surprise that the S-360 plays backup media produced by BD-RB. At least Sony isn't making any moves (yet) to counter the "media backup community". My Sharp player only plays original copies of BD.

[GaPony]

Its going to be difficult for manufacturers to build a player to thwart copies as long as more and more start supporting AVCHD. As long as people keep building HD video cameras, AVCHD will do nothing but grow.

Your Sharp doesn't support AVCHD? Have you checked for firmware updates?

I pickup my 2 y/o grandson from daycare and babysit pretty often. I'm convinced that adults need biohazard suits to safely walk into those places... They are nothing but biological weapons laboratories. I swear that I can sometimes feel the germs attacking me before I can even get out of the building :)

[jdobbs]

Its going to be difficult for manufacturers to build a player to thwart copies as long as more and more start supporting AVCHD. As long as people keep building HD video cameras, AVCHD will do nothing but grow.

Your Sharp doesn't support AVCHD? Have you checked for firmware updates?

I pickup my 2 y/o grandson from daycare and babysit pretty often. I'm convinced that adults need biohazard suits to safely walk into those places... They are nothing but biological weapons laboratories. I swear that I can sometimes feel the germs attacking me before I can even get out of the building :)My wife is a teacher... she brings the lab home... :)

[chiholam]

Hi there

Have been reading through this thread, others on Doom9 and many on AVForums regarding the BD-RB and standalone players. Had the Panasonic BD35, and returned that due to not working with any BD25/9s, and now have the choice of either the Samsung BD-1600, and LG BD370. Originally bought the BD1600, but returned it, because it wouldn't work with BD9 AVCHD - had removed the AUXDATA - but only just read today that I should have also leave the book-type unchanged (was previously set to Auto/DVD-ROM in imgburn).

Then bought the LG BD370 and that appears to work with BD9/AVCHD, but also appears to be 'flakey' - doesn't work with a BD25 of Seven Pounds - would not load the menu (whereas the BD-1600 worked with this), crashed after 30mins of a DVDR (House), and crashed after 5 mins of a BD9 of Mall Cop. Had already made sure I had the latest firmware.

I've got a replacement (unopened) LG BD370 in case it was just a bad box – not opened it yet as I saw that the Samsung BD-1600 may also work now.

What's the consensus here - which has better compatibility BD-1600, or BD370? Looks pretty must the same – assuming the booktype is set correctly for the BD-1600. I also make XBox360 backups, which I believe must have DVD-ROM booktype set, so I'd have to remember every time to change the book type for the XB360, or BD9 if I buy was the BD-1600 - pain in the butt, but not exactly the end of the world!

Predominately I think I would be using BD25s. For BD9s I would like to do Full backup, if nothing else than to maintain the chapter positions/menus - or is there a way to do Movie only, and keep chapter positions (ie.e not have it set every 5 mins).

From looking at various posts, Ryu77 has the BD370 (and appears to be loving it), and DK has the BD-1600 (and appears to be loving that now we know about the +R DL Book-type/No AuxData combination). So, I suppose this post may be for them and confirmation of any further limitations on the BD-RB compatibility, or any other in general?

Thanks in advance for all your help/opinions

[DK]

hi chiholam,

i can only speak for the 1600 as i have tested the lg only with 2-3 titles (bd-9 / -rom / all worked).

i was extremely happy with the 1600 after being told to use +r instead of -rom which made all my titles play - UNTIL 3 days ago when the latest 1.02 fw was made available.

after this update i have found 9 of my previously bd-9 copies NOT working anymore!
i have no idea why - will check the structure as best i can (and dont expect too much) and maybe i will run the bd-9 data through latest bd-rebuilder or tsmuxer again and burn some of them to see IF something changes.

all those titles were not made with the very latest version of bd-rb but other titles made at the same time or shortly before or after (it's hard to judge this precisely now) still run.

i have phoned samsung hotline and again they were of no help - i think that maybe downgrading the fw to whatever might exists apart from 1.02 MAY get me back to a fully working 1600.

on the 3600 it is said btw that the latest fw update (came out the same day as the 1.02 for my 1600 and that was the reason why i updated at all) made the player handle -rom (friend of mine said so with his 3600)

this fw update experience in combination with a hotline that cannot and doesnt want to help you out on a matter which might be solved easily by donwgrading the fw leaves me at a point where i must say: no more samsung for me until there support gets WAY better.


all my bd25 copies and original bds do run fine however


++++

btw would anyone know if it is possible to save an existing fw from a samsung player to usb in order to use this fw on another player?

since the support is no help at all i will try to get hold of a fw for the 1600 which is < 1.02

[GaPony]

i was extremely happy with the 1600 after being told to use +r instead of -rom which made all my titles play - UNTIL 3 days ago when the latest 1.02 fw was made available.

after this update i have found 9 of my previously bd-9 copies NOT working anymore!
i have no idea why - will check the structure as best i can (and dont expect too much) and maybe i will run the bd-9 data through latest bd-rebuilder or tsmuxer again and burn some of them to see IF something changes.


The latest firmware for the BD-P1600 is v.1.03 (06/10/2009)

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/support.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_raydiscplayers&model_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P1600&model_cd=BD-P1600/XAA&menu=download