List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[Music Fan]

I made a test myself this morning (non standard AVCHD made by MultiAVCHD burnt on dvd-rw) and there's no problem with DD in 640k, even with a high bitrate video (peaks at 40Mbps !) on the Sony BDP-S370. It also plays non standard formats for dvd, like Dolby True HD, Dts HR and Dts HD MA.
Thus it should work with projects made by BD-Rebuilder. So the firmware is not the cause of burticus's problem (if he has the same firmware than me).
My player's firmware is M03.R.623, which is not the last one.

[jdobbs]

I made a test myself this morning (non standard AVCHD made by MultiAVCHD burnt on dvd-rw) and there's no problem with DD in 640k, even with a high bitrate video (peaks at 40Mbps !) on the Sony BDP-S370. It also plays non standard formats for dvd, like Dolby True HD, Dts HR and Dts HD MA.
Thus it should work with projects made by BD-Rebuilder. So the firmware is not the cause of burticus's problem (if he has the same firmware than me).
My player's firmware is M03.R.623, which is not the last one.It could be a hardware problem unique to his player then...

[Music Fan]

Yes, or a problem between the player and the receiver, or an encoding problem only with this movie, ... there are many possibilities.

[Bullet1979]

So are there any players that are currently on the market that play full BD-9 discs dependably? I took a disc to Best Buy and put them in all the players they had and none of them seemed to play the disc. Granted, there was no television to fully verify and probably none of them had updated firmware, but many of them displayed an error or ejected the disc. Is the Sony BDP-S360 the best bet? I was just hoping to get a player that I'd be able to buy new with a warranty (and the newer features on recent models are always a plus).

[Music Fan]

I read that some players (like the Sony 370) can play full BD-9 discs when their authoring is in HDMV but not when it's in BD-J (Java). And some others (like the older Sony 360) can play HDMV but also BD-J on dvd (BD-5/9).

[jdobbs]

I read that some players (like the Sony 370) can play full BD-9 discs when their authoring is in HDMV but not when it's in BD-J (Java). And some others (like the older Sony 360) can play HDMV but also BD-J on dvd (BD-5/9). That's because AVCHD supports HDMV menus but not BD-J.

There are many players that support DVD-9 full backups... but with the price of BD-R's now around $1, you're much better off making bull backups to BD-R. That way you can be sure they will still work in the player you buy next time. It's probably best to reserve BD-5 and BD-9 for movie-only.

[Music Fan]

I also think that. I already said that here actually ;
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1431358#post1431358
Why do some people want to keep absolutely Java menus but accept to recompress the video to put it on dvd-9 ? The movie is more important than the menus (in my opinion). If we accept to lose video quality, we can accept to lose the menu.
BD-9 with Java menus is nearly not useful, except if the original disc contain less than 8500 Mo (the size of a dvd-9), because it allows to make an exact copy without recompression, but BD-25 with Java menus and containing less than 8500 Mo, it's has to be very rare.
That's because AVCHD supports HDMV menus but not BD-J.
Yes, but as already said, some players can play Java on dvd, thus they allow more than the norm. And if the 360 can do this, the 370 could also do this. So, it's not a question of norm, it's a choice surely linked to piracy.

[Bullet1979]

That's because AVCHD supports HDMV menus but not BD-J.

There are many players that support DVD-9 full backups... but with the price of BD-R's now around $1, you're much better off making bull backups to BD-R. That way you can be sure they will still work in the player you buy next time. It's probably best to reserve BD-5 and BD-9 for movie-only.

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each!

[JJB]

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each!

Used a bunch of these, no problems @.99 each:

http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-logo-on-top-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04lt-10-10pk

Update: .90 each today.
http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20008%203702&utm_campaign=101129%20CYBER%20MONDAY%20EXPLOSIVE%20DEALS!

[burticus]

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each!

Fry's sells the 15 packs for $20 pretty regularly now (memorex or kodak) and Amazon has them for a little more.

FYI - the Sony S370 was on sale this weekend at Target AND Best Buy for $99. I like it.

[jdobbs]

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each! I usually get mine from Meritline.com -- they always have a few brands at around $1.00 to $1.30...

[belgab]

Hi,

Before reading this thread I was up to buying a Panasonic BDT300 (415€) (or its little brother BDT100 (215€)) but I've seen that they are not very compatible with BD-5/BD-9.

So I've started looking around and I've seen a good player from Yamaha (the S1067 @520€) or the more cheap Sony s570 (230€) and s770 (280€).

Reading that Sony is one among the best in term of compatibility with BD-5/BD-9 I'm more oriented on buying the sony S770 (The Yamaha is way too expensive, and lacks built-in WiFi)

Does anyone know how the Sony S770 and S570 compete in terms of BD-5/BD-9 compatibility?

Regards,
Gabriele

[Music Fan]

I read several times that the new Sony players (370, 470, ...) couldn't play BD-5/9 with Java menus (BD-J). It should be OK with HDMV menus and AVCHD.
The Sony 360 used to play BD-J on BD-5/9.

[jdobbs]

I read several times that the new Sony players (370, 470, ...) couldn't play BD-5/9 with Java menus (BD-J). It should be OK with HDMV menus and AVCHD.
The Sony 360 used to play BD-J on BD-5/9. The Sony BDP-S301 and BDP-S360 (both of which I own) will play all formats (BD-5/9 & BD-25 with or without BD-J).

I've also heard good things about the Samsung BD-C5900 -- as it has been reported to play all formats, and it is 3D ready. Even if you're not ready for a 3D player yet, they're generally faster and this one is relatively inexpensive.

[belgab]

Thanks for the information.

As long as I understand the major "issue" is the Java Menu, while any player compatible with AVCHD can at least run "Movie-Only" AVCHD discs, right? (so, even the "infamous" Panasonic players can at least run such kind of backups).

I can find a Samsung C5900 for about 120€, which would be a great buy compared to the others 3D players.

[Ghitulescu]

As long as I understand the major "issue" is the Java Menu, while any player compatible with AVCHD can at least run "Movie-Only" AVCHD discs, right? (so, even the "infamous" Panasonic players can at least run such kind of backups).

You have to test it yourself.

There are several threads here about certain compatibilities of certain brands and models, but the BD world is a changing world, and each firmware and/or model may change the things.

There are models that do not accept certain codecs on particular media (like VC-1 on DVDR). There are models whose FW update withdrew the ability to play certain MKVs. There are players those FW update allowed them to play HD content on DVDR media but withdrew them the ability to play certain MKVs.

So, test your future player yourself, carefully and if you like it, keep it like this (resist hard to any FW upgrade and keep yourself some copies of older FW, just in case).

[mr3p]

I have a Sony BDP-S570 and it will not play BD-9 full back-ups although will do movie only.

[Music Fan]

Are you sure you're not talking about BD-J back-ups ?

[mr3p]

Are you sure you're not talking about BD-J back-ups ?

The discs I've tried to back-up to BD9 have probably had java. Somewhere I vaguely recall reading there was a way to modify the jar folder contents to allow the discs to play, is something like this true?

[jdobbs]

The discs I've tried to back-up to BD9 have probably had java. Somewhere I vaguely recall reading there was a way to modify the jar folder contents to allow the discs to play, is something like this true?Not that I know of -- if your player doesn't support BD-J on BD-5/9 and a disc uses it, the only choice I know is to do movie-only.

[mr3p]

Not that I know of -- if your player doesn't support BD-J on BD-5/9 and a disc uses it, the only choice I know is to do movie-only.

Thanks. Thats essentially why I made the comment above that the 570 doesn't do BD9 ;)

[thghgv]

Anyone here know how this player fares with BD-5/9 and BD-J ??

[laserfan]

Does anyone here know if our BD5/9 discs with high-def content will play-back in an Apple Mac? My wife has the hots for one of the new iMacs but I understand they have only DVD ("Superdrives" indeed :p). Will these play on a Mac out-of-box? Or maybe a special player software is need for the Mac?

[jdobbs]

Anyone here know how this player fares with BD-5/9 and BD-J ?? This is a pretty late response, but I think that's the same player as a BD-5900, except it supports wireless (someone correct me if I'm wrong) -- and the BD-5900 has been reported to work with BD-J (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1541710#post1541710).

[laserfan]

Does anyone here know if our BD5/9 discs with high-def content will play-back in an Apple Mac?
Ok I guess I asked in the wrong place, tho creators of BD5/BD9 discs must know SOMEONE with a Mac? Maybe not...

Anyway I think I found my answer in that it appears no Mac has ever had Blu-ray support--Apple has never wanted to go along with Sony's licensing requirements. But apparently even the non-protected discs we make have not heretofore had player support, though lately two products have come-onto the market that probably will work, from Macgo and Aurora.

Very strange that for as innovative as Apple has been, they've never even ack-ed BD much less supported it! :bizarre:

[raul124]

Ok I know this thread it has been dead for a couple of years know, but maybe someone could answer me this question, and since Jdobbs has implemented full 3D backup, does anybody knows if what Bluray 3D players would play full BD9s/BD5s and the full 3D backups? I have the Sumsung BD-c5900 and Sumsung BD-F5900 and none of these 3D Bluray player would play Full BD-3D to a 25Gb.

[jdobbs]

It works on the Samsung BD-C5900... it played BD-5/9 and 3D with no issues. I can't test it now, however, as I gave the unit away. But the output is fully BD compliant and I'd have a hard time believing that the C5900 didn't support it

[raul124]

It works on the Samsung BD-C5900... it played BD-5/9 and 3D with no issues. I can't test it now, however, as I gave the unit away. But the output is fully BD compliant and I'd have a hard time believing that the C5900 didn't support it
The thing is, the Samsung bd-c5900 plays Bd5s/Bd9s ok but not on a 25gb for full 3D . Maybe is the media that I purchased from micro-center, (WINDATA-25GB). witch is on sale, a bundle of 25 for under $10, may I should stick with the more reliable Verbatim for 3d full backup..But for sure the Samsung BD-F5900 will not play Bd5s/Bd9s not even the BD25 full 3D.
another case could be a firmware update done on the BD-player before I purchased them in January of this year..

[jdobbs]

The thing is, the Samsung bd-c5900 plays Bd5s/Bd9s ok but not on a 25gb for full 3D . Maybe is the media that I purchased from micro-center, (WINDATA-25GB). witch is on sale, a bundle of 25 for under $10, may I should stick with the more reliable Verbatim for 3d full backup..But for sure the Samsung BD-F5900 will not play Bd5s/Bd9s not even the BD25 full 3D.
another case could be a firmware update done on the BD-player before I purchased them in January of this year..I saw some discs on sale at Micro Center recently - but they were LTH. Are those the ones you got? It will say LTH on the label of the spindle somewhere. There are numerous issues reported with LTH (that's why I don't buy them), but I don't know if any of them relate to 3D playback. I do know that some players won't play them at all.

[raul124]

I saw some discs on sale at Micro Center recently - but they were LTH. Are those the ones you got? It will say LTH on the label of the spindle somewhere. There are numerous issues reported with LTH (that's why I don't buy them), but I don't know if any of them relate to 3D playback. I do know that some players won't play them at all.
No, I was also thinking of buying them, and did not because some people were having problem with them, the one's that I'm talking about is the WINDATA blue discs, they are dirt cheap, i have use these WINDATA disc in the past without a problem, but with your new full 3D implementation they are giving me a problem of late, I'll just have to use them for regular bluray backups and use verbatim for full 3D.. on a side note: those anyone knows witch 3D bluray player would plays the bd5s/bd9s and 3d 25s..thanks Jdobbs

[jdobbs]

I have a Sony BDP-BX510 and it plays BD-5/9 and 3D BD-25 with no problems. I got it on sale for $69 at Costco.

[raul124]

I have a Sony BDP-BX510 and it plays BD-5/9 and 3D BD-25 with no problems. I got it on sale for $69 at Costco.
Thanks Jdobbs: is it pre-cinivia?, I'll give it a check on Ebay

[jdobbs]

Thanks Jdobbs: is it pre-cinivia?, I'll give it a check on EbayNo. There are so few cinavia titles that I pretty much just ignore it. I backup movies and watch them all the time -- and I have yet to run into a cinavia notice. But I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.

The problem with getting anything that is pre-cinavia is that they are old, have slow processors, fewer features, and are generally disappointing. JMHO. I like to use my standalone for Netflix & Hulu, and I also have a small hard drive attached to the USB port with all my music on it.

At some point when cinavia gets more common, I would expect someone to conquer it. Right now the incentive just isn't there. If a player's software can recognize it and respond, then so can other software. A little reverse engineering will eventually happen. But BD-RB can't do it -- as it could be considered circumventing copy protection, and I can't go near that.

[Ghitulescu]

The problem with getting anything that is pre-cinavia is that they are old, have slow processors, fewer features, and are generally disappointing.
Older generations are indeed slower (my Pioneer BDP-51FD needs some 40-60 seconds to load a java menu, while a younger LG 370 needs only a couple of seconds). But this is only a question of java.
I also found that the very first generations of players were more solidly built than the newer ones, and this trend seemed to continued over time. This was also noticed from the price, now a player can cost as much as two (2) BDR at their introduction on the market. But BD specs are moving, so these may not be able to play eg DTS HD MA or TrueHD, although some FW upgrades have been issued since.
I frankly do not understand the need for java, from the user point of view of course. Surely, some animated menus can be better achieved with java, also customised ones. But the whole reason for buying a BD is actually the movie. Not the menus. I understand that for many the newer a movie is the better :), but having to wait 30 seconds for each click to change the audio or the subtitles (because the PUOs prevent me from using the dedicated button on the remote controller and have to do this via menus) is too much. Besides, many java menus I've seen are childish, and they could have been nicer and better made via BDMV commands, like the good ole DVD. The only menu I have a certain use is the chapter menu, but it's also not essential, as long as chapter points are present and the PUOs do not prevent from jumping on a specific location.

On most of my copies I remove the menu/s and the PUOs.

And so far cinavia may be (for now) circumvented by moving the videos on another medium which is not covered by the AACS licence. I also stored a reserve BD player for the future, so my BDRs are not affected for a good period of time, hopefully.