List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[DK]

The latest firmware for the BD-P1600 is v.1.03 (06/10/2009)

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/support.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_raydiscplayers&model_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P1600&model_cd=BD-P1600/XAA&menu=download

no its not

it's 1.02 OVER HERE (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/support.do?group=homeentertainment&type=blu_rayplayer&subtype=blu_rayplayer&model_nm=BD-P1600&disp_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&model_cd=BD-P1600/XEU&menu=download)

yours is the xaa version i need xef

[chiholam]

Thanks DK - I note in your post that you said that you tried the LG with only 2-3 titles. Did you not like it - was there a reason why you chose the Samsung 1600 instead of the LG BD370?

I suppose the next obvious question is, given the firmware issues that you have now, if you had the choice, would you swap it for the BD370?

Thanks again - apologies if this is a little off-topic, but I am trying to choose between the two based on BD-RB compatibility - they pretty much appear to be the same otherwise (or at least are for the features I care about).

Oddly - and this may be something to note in the first post. For the BD370, on some BD25s, I had to have the Dolby/DTS-HD decoded on the player, instead of on the Amp. It appears that it does not always pass-thru Dolby/DTS-HD on some BD25s. Was a tad concerned that I was getting poorer audio if my Pioneer SC81 wasn't doing the decoding - but did read elsewhere that it didn't matter - phew!

Note - this is related to UK/EUrope version of the machines, although I suppose that the US/EU should more or less be the same (Netflix in US, and not in EU/'delayed' firmware versions aside - I'm assuming that the US v1.03 will eventually be ported to EU!).

[DK]

I tested the LG when i came across the playback failures of bd-9 with -rom booktype - I already had the 1600 at that time and was searching for answers.

Like I said I was more than pleased with the performance of the 1600 (picture quality, response time, ...) until this fw update (at least I dont think it was pure coincidence that from excactly that point in time I have problems) and I'm more than annoyed that a product was released with such weird specs (+r, no -rom) when almost any other player (and player from the same manufacturer as well) do accept the common -rom booktype.

For weeks I was not able to use the player the way I wanted to and now the next issue is a pita.

The 1.03 US fw version may be identical to the 1.02 EU one with simply one additional necessary fw in between.
The 3600 EU fw for example is 1.03 as well iirc.

[Capsbackup]

Sony is very compatible with AVCHD and BD-25. I have only tried DVD-R and DVD+R DL media for AVCHD and have never had a disc not play. I also have never had to use stricter AVCHD compliance for movie only with BD-RB, or delete any files for a disc to play back properly. Never had to change the book type on my burner either, just udf 2.5 with IMGBurn. I have tested several mfg's including Samsung, LG and Panasonic, and Sony was the most compatible.
Even though I am not the biggest Sony fan, for AVCHD/Blu-ray they just work!

[GaPony]

no its not

it's 1.02 OVER HERE (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/support.do?group=homeentertainment&type=blu_rayplayer&subtype=blu_rayplayer&model_nm=BD-P1600&disp_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&model_cd=BD-P1600/XEU&menu=download)

yours is the xaa version i need xef

Ooops! It wasn't clear where you were... maybe you should come over here? :D j/k

[GaPony]

I tested the LG when i came across the playback failures of bd-9 with -rom booktype - I already had the 1600 at that time and was searching for answers.

Like I said I was more than pleased with the performance of the 1600 (picture quality, response time, ...) until this fw update (at least I dont think it was pure coincidence that from excactly that point in time I have problems) and I'm more than annoyed that a product was released with such weird specs (+r, no -rom) when almost any other player (and player from the same manufacturer as well) do accept the common -rom booktype.

For weeks I was not able to use the player the way I wanted to and now the next issue is a pita.

The 1.03 US fw version may be identical to the 1.02 EU one with simply one additional necessary fw in between.
The 3600 EU fw for example is 1.03 as well iirc.

My Sammy BD-P2500 is very finicky for BD9 copies. It plays +R Media set for BD-ROM, but it needs to have the "Strict compliance with AVCHD" set. I had several discs that once played with the certificate & auxdata folders removed, but also needed the meta, jar and bdjo folders removed after a firmware update.

Sony is by far the most compliant brand for BD9 copies.. my PS3 and BDP-S550 play everything on BD9 (movie only) without trouble.

[DK]

I looked at some of those disc that do not play anymore and they were all made with strict settings, that's what leaves me puzzled

[Capsbackup]

I looked at some of those disc that do not play anymore and they were all made with strict settings, that's what leaves me puzzled

You could test those discs that are giving you trouble by bringing them to a local retail store and trying them out on a few different players to see if they play. As GaPony and I have stated, Sony players seem to work well. At least you could rule out bad media.

[DK]

Those discs DID already play fine on the very same player - before the fw update!

And they are all Verbatim DVD-DL media burned with half the max-speed.

[GaPony]

I looked at some of those disc that do not play anymore and they were all made with strict settings, that's what leaves me puzzled

We might be seeing something similar to the difference between the EU and US version of the PS3... maybe not.

You can probably find the earlier fw version for your BD-P1600 out there on the internet someplace. It might take some time searching, but I find there's always someone who makes their download available for others in their little groups.

[turbojet]

There's reports of the latest firmwares (April) for Samsung 1500 and 2500 fixing the issue with AUXDATA and the other empty directories, perhaps they went overboard on this June batch of firmware and require only that format like some other players do. Have you tried adding AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META empty folders?

[DK]

Except for AUXDATA I have added the others and the player still played fine.

So AUXDATA can non be a required folder now.

[GaPony]

I figure if I remove everything, it will play in a wider variety of players without having to comeback later and reburn the disc. I haven't run into a player that failed to play with the AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META folders removed, but I'm sure there's at least one out there someplace.

[turbojet]

Except for AUXDATA I have added the others and the player still played fine.

So AUXDATA can non be a required folder now.

I'm confused weren't you just saying that you can't play DVD's done with strict AVHCD settings with the latest Samsung 1600 firmware?

AUXDATA is known to be a 'key' folder when it comes to samsung's.

I figure if I remove everything, it will play in a wider variety of players without having to comeback later and reburn the disc. I haven't run into a player that failed to play with the AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META folders removed, but I'm sure there's at least one out there someplace.

There's at least 7 players that won't play it. Denon's, Insignia's, Phillips. On the software side PowerDVD won't play DTS/DTSHD/TrueHD from those. Samsung 1600 and 2550 are the only ones that are reported to work only with strict AVCHD settings currently

[DK]

I'm confused weren't you just saying that you can't play DVD's done with strict AVHCD settings with the latest Samsung 1600 firmware?

I hope I did not :rolleyes:

After this firmware update to the latest EU 1.02 version I cannot play certain DVD-DL discs which prviously played fine on my 1600.

Today I tested one disc with strict avchd structure and one with all folders except auxdata present: both run

The weirdest thing, however, is that the third (or rather first disc) was one of those that wont play any more and this disc has certificate present and in the bdmv subfolder only the four directories: backup, clipinf, playlist, stream

an identical structure was burned today and the "copy" works

problem is i cant remember WHAT I did to the data prior to burning with imgburn because i tried and burned so many today.

I.e. I dont know if I fooled around with tsmuxer or maybe even latest bd-rb -this "misbehaviour" is so strange :eek:

[GaPony]

There's at least 7 players that won't play it. Denon's, Insignia's, Phillips. On the software side PowerDVD won't play DTS/DTSHD/TrueHD from those. Samsung 1600 and 2550 are the only ones that are reported to work only with strict AVCHD settings currently

You mean with the exception of Sony players, I presume. I've given a copy of a movie done on BD9, with the "Strict compliance..." setting enabled, to a about 10 different friends for testing and they all said it played. So I'm not sure what's going on. I'll have to get the make/model and firmware revision information from them so I can post the information here. I don't generally keep the HD audio for movie only copies, since I use BD9 for that purpose. I figure if I'm using a BD25 for a particular movie, I might as well just get the whole thing, and then keep the HD audio, if available. :)

I think there are so many versions of PowerDVD out there you really need to cite the specific version when talking about PowerDVD. Personally, I gave up it long ago and went with TMT. I found it irritating and irrational that they would remove the option to get a screenshot of Blu-Ray movies, among other things.

[turbojet]

I hope I did not :rolleyes:

After this firmware update to the latest EU 1.02 version I cannot play certain DVD-DL discs which prviously played fine on my 1600.

Today I tested one disc with strict avchd structure and one with all folders except auxdata present: both run

The weirdest thing, however, is that the third (or rather first disc) was one of those that wont play any more and this disc has certificate present and in the bdmv subfolder only the four directories: backup, clipinf, playlist, stream

an identical structure was burned today and the "copy" works

problem is i cant remember WHAT I did to the data prior to burning with imgburn because i tried and burned so many today.

I.e. I dont know if I fooled around with tsmuxer or maybe even latest bd-rb -this "misbehaviour" is so strange :eek:

Oh I see, can you check with all the folders including the AUXDATA next time and report back if it works or not?

You mean with the exception of Sony players, I presume. I've given a copy of a movie done on BD9, with the "Strict compliance..." setting enabled, to a about 10 different friends for testing and they all said it played. So I'm not sure what's going on. I'll have to get the make/model and firmware revision information from them so I can post the information here. I don't generally keep the HD audio for movie only copies, since I use BD9 for that purpose. I figure if I'm using a BD25 for a particular movie, I might as well just get the whole thing, and then keep the HD audio, if available. :)

Also LG's, Pioneers and some not so common brands have been tested/reported, database here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146339)

I think there are so many versions of PowerDVD out there you really need to cite the specific version when talking about PowerDVD. Personally, I gave up it long ago and went with TMT. I found it irritating and irrational that they would remove the option to get a screenshot of Blu-Ray movies, among other things.

All the latest 7.3 and 8 patches for the past 6 months or so and all v9 builds

[drmih]

After singing the praises of the Sony 550 for many months (and it's a great machine) today I got a LG BD370 as I had heard good reports about its mkv capability.

It's a great piece of kit and I can confirm that it plays full disc backups on bd-5 / bd-9 / bd-25. It also has no problem with avchd movie only discs or ones with menus. I have tried a selection of avis and mkv discs and all were fine. high res mkvs were no problem on either dvd-5 or dvd-9. It has the capability to also play from a USB stick / USB HDD - I haven't tried one yet but believe it has to be formatted in FAT or FAT32 which would limit the individual file size to 4 GB. It is also network enabled to provide updates (which seem to have been reasonably frequent) and access to You Tube. Obvioulsy does all of the audio and photo stuff.

Mine came out of the box multi region dvd (it's simple to do if it's set) but it's locked for Blu-Ray.

It was just over £140 in the UK which I think is great for the mkv ability alone.

[GaPony]

So now the Sony BDP-S550 is an orphan??? :o

It is a very cruel world out there... :)

[drmih]

Not quite - they are very happy as twins side by side. The LG doesn't have the audio output capabilities and was really bought to play mkvs and avis - the blu-ray capabilities were just a nice addition which I wasn't expecting.

Interestingly (or not!!) the bd-9 discs I did for the Sony which had the PiP / audio issue are rejected by the LG. This suggests that the file structure maybe wrong rather than the Sony being temperamental.

[drmih]

Just had a disc which the LG rejects but the Sony plays. I'll try and find some more and see if there's anything in common.

**I've now tried about 30 bd-9 full discs (which work on the Sony) and I'm getting 2:1 playing on the LG. I now will see if I can see what is the difference as I do think that it's something not quite right / or a feature on the discs rather than the player.

[GaPony]

That's the problem with Blu-Ray players. There's no way of knowing what copy will play on what player unless you come here.

In the DVD world, some players may be a little more finicky than others, but they all play anything you throw at them.

It makes the work of FuriousFlea that much more valuable. Maybe we should extend the compatibility thread to more detailed information on full copies for BD5, BD9, and BD25... :)

[drmih]

OK - of all the discs I've checked it seems to be the CERTIFICATE folder. For those with files in the top level (different numbers of files on different discs) 100% don't work. For those with no files in the top directory of CERTIFICATE 100% work. I don't know wht happens if I delete them and they should be there but I will retest.

[GaPony]

It would certainly be worth a few bucks to test your theory. Its too bad there aren't any DL RW discs around... at least I've never seen any.

[drmih]

DO you know what the files in the CERTIFICATE folder do if present?

**I took a disc with files in the CERTIFICATE and didn't include it on the disc. This was rejected by the LG and the SONY also wouldn't play it - just hung. On a PC with TMT3 the one with CERTIFICATE file gave the option to go online, whereas the one without didn't. However, both played. Unless someone knows what the files are doing I think I need to produce a full disc bd-5 to play with to save discs.
**I've also tried removing the CERTIFICATE files as well as the BMDO and JAR ones but they're obviously needed so it may not be possible or require better ripping of the disc in the first place.

[setarip_old]

@drmih

Hi!

Have you tried replacing the "CERTIFICATE" folder with a new "CERTIFICATE" folder containing ONLY an empty sub-folder named "BACKUP"?

[drmih]

Yes. The issue doesn't seem to be the existance or not of the folder but whether they are BD+ - the LG will play discs with and without a CERTIFICATE folder. I must admit I don't know as much about blu-ray encryption as I should but I think that the signature files within CERTIFICATE are utilised by the BDJO and JAR to play the disc. If I leave CERTIFICATE empty, and / or if I remove the BDJO and JAR ones then the discs doesn't play. The SONY doesn't seem to mind them, although it also hangs on the disc if the CERTIFICATE etc files are messed about with.

A pc with tmt3 will also play the disc without the contents of CERTIFICATE being present (if the files are there TMT3 gives a message 'This disc has no valid online certification. Do you allow it to access internet?'). My (uneducated) guess is that in being ripped the security doesn't quite match up and the LG spots this - it rejects the disc very quickly. This may also be why other standalones are a bit hit and miss.

If anyone can offer more knowledge of what is happening I'd be facinated to hear.

**Actually this may be a red-herring as a disc encoded to a bd-25 with the CERTIFICATE files does work fine.

[setarip_old]

@drmih

Just for the sake of clarity, I said:Have you tried replacing the "CERTIFICATE" folder with a new "CERTIFICATE" folder containing ONLY an empty sub-folder named "BACKUP"?You said:If I leave CERTIFICATE emptyIs your folder truly empty or, does it contain an empty "BACKUP" sub-folder)?

[drmih]

Yes. As I said it will play with and without a CERTIFICATE folder (including one with a BACKUP sub-directory) - I think that that's a red herring and in fact it's the prescence of the BDJO and JAR files that it's getting confused with on dvd media.

[GaPony]

@drmih

Are you making "Movie Only" copies or "Full Movie" copies?

Are you copying to BD5, BD9, or BD25.

The type of copy made and the type of media used, makes in huge difference in the best way to go about making the copy.

[drmih]

This is an issue of the compatibility of the standalone. Like yourself I've been around here from the beginning of bd-rb and have done hundreds of backups. This is to do with the LG BD370 I have just got and the problem it has playing bd+ full disc backups to bd-9 (I never bother with bd-5).

[jdobbs]

DO you know what the files in the CERTIFICATE folder do if present?

**I took a disc with files in the CERTIFICATE and didn't include it on the disc. This was rejected by the LG and the SONY also wouldn't play it - just hung. On a PC with TMT3 the one with CERTIFICATE file gave the option to go online, whereas the one without didn't. However, both played. Unless someone knows what the files are doing I think I need to produce a full disc bd-5 to play with to save discs.
**I've also tried removing the CERTIFICATE files as well as the BMDO and JAR ones but they're obviously needed so it may not be possible or require better ripping of the disc in the first place. The CERTIFICATE folder includes files for BD-J application authentication (BACKUP is just a repeat of the same files). I'd assume AnyDVD does some magic with these files -- but I haven't paid much attention to them

[GaPony]

This is an issue of the compatibility of the standalone. Like yourself I've been around here from the beginning of bd-rb and have done hundreds of backups. This is to do with the LG BD370 I have just got and the problem it has playing bd+ full disc backups to bd-9 (I never bother with bd-5).

Unfortunately, there are several players, most in fact, that won't play "Full Movie" copies on BD5 or BD9 media. They don't seem to recognize the BD structure on anything but BD25 discs. This isn't the fault of BD-Rebuilder... its the player.

You're pretty much limited to a "Full Movie" backup onto BD25 or A "Movie Only" onto BD5 and BD9 media. You may additionally need to use the "Strict Compliance with AVCHD" option.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Just curious if you have tried some of the older backups you have made several months back with your new Sony BDP-S360, and if they play just as well as they did on your older S301 player. In particular would be the full movie backups to BD-5 and BD-9 media. I remember discussions at BD-RB's beginning where you had success with full movie backups on BD media, so I am curious if the new player is playing those same discs with the same success.

[drmih]

Unfortunately, there are several players, most in fact, that won't play "Full Movie" copies on BD5 or BD9 media. They don't seem to recognize the BD structure on anything but BD25 discs. This isn't the fault of BD-Rebuilder... its the player.

You're pretty much limited to a "Full Movie" backup onto BD25 or A "Movie Only" onto BD5 and BD9 media. You may additionally need to use the "Strict Compliance with AVCHD" option.

You're not reading the posts fully. I know the issues but this player does play full disc backups on bd-5 and bd-9 as long as they don't call up bd-j files. I've just done Romansing the Stone and that only had one file in CERTIFICATE and one in each of BDJO and JAR but it still wouldn't play it. As it does handle them on bd-25 it's a known limitation but something I wondered if I could tweak to get it working.

[GaPony]

I'll have to take your word for it. Even the top post of this thread lists it as compatible with "Movie Only" copies on BD9/BD5 discs. I'm not sure where Furiousflea got the input. I'm not sure how tweaking the structure can overcome the limitations of the device itself, but I'm among those who would love to see you come up with something.

Have you tried Deank's little GO-BD utility?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
Just curious if you have tried some of the older backups you have made several months back with your new Sony BDP-S360, and if they play just as well as they did on your older S301 player. In particular would be the full movie backups to BD-5 and BD-9 media. I remember discussions at BD-RB's beginning where you had success with full movie backups on BD media, so I am curious if the new player is playing those same discs with the same success. All my discs that I've tried have worked. BD-5/9 Movie-Only and Full-Disc backups -- and of course BD-25. In fact there is a setting on the 360 that asks how it should treat "hybrid discs" on DVD -- as DVD or BD. I haven't read the manual yet (I'm a true engineer :)), but I assume that is what it is there for. The 360 is also much faster at loading. I really got tired of watching the little loading wheel go-round on my 301.

I'm really happy with this player. When it comes to BD backups (especially BD-5/9) Sony is so far ahead of the pack that the others don't even know they're behind. It's definitely worth the extra $20 or so you pay for the Sony.

[Capsbackup]

I'm really happy with this player. When it comes to BD backups (especially BD-5/9) Sony is so far ahead of the pack that the others don't even know they're behind. It's definitely worth the extra $20 or so you pay for the Sony.
I do agree, Sony has got it right for Blu-Ray/AVCHD players. I am pleased with my BX1. I like their HD camcorders too, which is what brought me into HD backups on DVD media. The bonus for me came when you created BD-RB, because I had already had success with my camcorder backups to AVCHD, so BD backups became a simple reality.
Hopefully, other MFG's will catch on, since this would also help simplify your efforts on development of BD-RB.

[Wolfe999]

Hi again :)

Sorry if it's around here and I just passed it buy without noticing it.

I've seen a Sony BDP - S350 for 169€ and consider it a nice price and was thinking of buying it. I always do MovieOnly encodes with stricter AVCHD ticked. Will it be compatible with my BD 5/9 (almost always verbatim). As soon as you tell me something, I think I will order it immediately.

Thank you ;D

[GaPony]

It should work just fine for all your movie only discs, but the current model is the BDP-S360 (which is what jdobbs tests with)... if that makes any difference to you.

[drmih]

All of the recent Sonys have been tested extensively and shown to be fine. The 350 / 550 play full backups and avchd great.

[Wolfe999]

It should work just fine for all your movie only discs, but the current model is the BDP-S360 (which is what jdobbs tests with)... if that makes any difference to you. The difference is that the only one they had on sale is the S-350, and were selling only another Sony, the 550 (don't remember exactly the number), but at 230€, and for now, being my first blu-ray, I want to try a good and cheap one (though I've seen that the 350 comes with some good things) :) God, I'm almost without money: first the new PC, then (some days ago) a 27" Full-HD monitor, and now the BluRay... my wife will throw me out of the house and keep all the things to herself :-D

All of the recent Sonys have been tested extensively and shown to be fine. The 350 / 550 play full backups and avchd great. Thank you very much for this info.

To both of you thank you very much for the input... I've just ordered it and made the money transfer, so I hope to get it in 3/4 days.
Your info was not wasted on me.
Best regards :)

[GaPony]

The main (and probably only) difference between the S350 and the S550 is the S550 has support for 7.1 analog.

[DrKajun]

LG BD300 Blu-Ray Player:
DVD9 (Movie Only) - Tested Good on RiData
DVD9 (BD-J Movie) - Failed on RiData
BD-R (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData
BD-R RW (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData


Update:
DVD5/DVD9 (Full BD-J) - Tested on RiData
! Set AnyDVD to Remove Region Code and force Region A
! Delete AUXDATA folder before burning

[drmih]

Update:
DVD5/DVD9 (Full BD-J) - Tested on RiData
! Set AnyDVD to Remove Region Code and force Region A
! Delete AUXDATA folder before burning

Obviously this wouldn't work for Region B but I will try repeating with my BD370. Am I correct in assuming that you are saying that you need to ensure that a region code is set to match the player rather than leave it blank?

I think it may be the AUXDATA that is the key as I haven't tried that myself.

**I've tried burning a disc with bd-j but without the AUXDATA folder but it makes no difference. Can you confirm on the disc that you got to work that there were files in the CERTIFICATE folder?

[IlPorcospino]

I've tried with the following movies.

1. Movie: “Seven Pounds”
- Input BD size: 30,42 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:03:05.419]
- Target BD size: 7,72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- RESIZE 1080p to 720p enabled

2, Movie: “Quantum of solace”
- Input BD size: 28,29 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:46:14.368]
- Target BD size: 7,72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled

For both the movies it was indicated:
DVD-R AVCHD
Dolby Digital 48 KHz 5.1 channel

Satisfactory :p

[Imperial Zeppelin]

BD-5 RiData: Good
BD-9 Verbatim: Good
BD-25 RiData: Good

Key take home here though is BD-25 compatibility is probably burner or software related...

1. Manual and other documentation says this player cannot play BD-Rs.

2. A friend did a direct backup for me of some IMAX 25 GB discs via AnyDVDHD and Nero onto RiData BD-25s using his Dell BD burner. These DO NOT play in this player, but play on my computer's LG Blu-Ray player, so I thought the documentation was correct.

3. Any BD-25s I make with AnyDVDHD, BD Rebuilder and IMGBURN play fine in this player!! I didn't know this until the other day when I said, "Oh WTH, let me throw one in and try it!"

[a1677c]

I have a question about the Samsung BD-P3600 at the top of this thread it states that one “must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory.”

Removing the AUXDATA folder is simple enough but could someone tell me how I should then burn it properly?

By the way this only for an AVCHD container.

Thanks,
Will

[DK]

make sure to have an avchd compatible structure like this:

- bmdv
-- backup
-- clipinf
-- playlist
-- stream
index.bdmv
movieobject.bdmv

++++
according to a friend of mine his 3600 now even accepts auxdata present after a fw update but you better have it removed

[Furiousflea]

Google to see if your particular DVD writer burns double layer discs with a "DVD-ROM" booktype first. It's quite likely it does already...If not you can set it in ImgBurn for most writers that support it. (http://www.imgburn.com)

(Tools->Drive->Change Booktype) ;)