List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[jdobbs]

I haven't noticed anyone writing anything about vizio players. I have a Vizio vbr110 and it works with BD-9. It also works well with LTH BD-25s.Cool. I saw the Vizio player at Costco and wondered how it would work. I'm a fan of Vizio products and have two Vizio LCD TVs in my home (excellent picture). Do full-disc backup BD-5/9's work or just movie-only encodes?

[Taurus50]

Has anyone tried the Sony BDP-370 yet? It looks really nice, and includes Netflix support. I was just wondering if it also plays back BD-5/9 full backups.

The difference between BDP-S370 and the BDP-S373 is that the remote is different: a few buttons glow in the dark.
I burnt a couple of Sonys DVD-R (SL) in differnt modes but all in vain. The strict AVCHD plays the sound but no picture. If you push the display button it will show you all the correct information about the disc but no picture. So, the disc is correctly recognised but doesn't play.

BD-9 (DVD+R DL) play just fine, no matter if BD or AVCHD.

[hautem]

Has anyone tried the Sony BDP-370 yet? It looks really nice, and includes Netflix support. I was just wondering if it also plays back BD-5/9 full backups.

The Sony BDP-370 would appear to have similar firmware restrictions as the Sony BDP-N460. It doesn't recognize full disc to BD9 backups with BD-J (Java) menus, but full disc to BD9 with HDMV menus (only) play fine. Movie-only backups to BD9 also worked, but I didn't get a chance to try movie-only to BD5 (I'm assuming it would work, but can't say for certain). I have no full disc to BD5 backups to test. I also wasn't able to get the firmware version (floor model that I tried in a local store), but there is an update posted 03/31/2010 on the Sony site (UPDATE_BDPS370_VER473.EXE). Have no idea how that might affect the BD-J menu issue for full disc to BD9 if this floor model had an earlier firmware version.

[Music Fan]

I hope that this problem with Sony BDP-370 is not definitive because I would like to buy this player for its multimedia characteristics.
Does anybody know if the Sony BDP-360 has this problem with BD5/9 ?

[jdobbs]

I hope that this problem with Sony BDP-370 is not definitive because I would like to buy this player for its multimedia characteristics.
Does anybody know if the Sony BDP-360 has this problem with BD5/9 ? Definitely not. I can play full and movie-only backups on BD-5, BD-9, and BD-25 on my BDP-S360.

[Music Fan]

Thanks. Do you believe that there's a chance that a new firmware correct the problem on the 370 ?
I never had Sony players, so I don't know if they propose changes sometimes in their firmwares (Panasonic don't).

@ hautem : could you make tests again with the v473 firmware ? Thanks !

[hautem]

Definitely not. I can play full and movie-only backups on BD-5, BD-9, and BD-25 on my BDP-S360.

I can confirm this as I have the Sony BDP-360 and it apparently plays everything I've thrown at it - full backups with HDMV or BD-J menus to BD9 and movie-only to BD5/BD9. I haven't done full backups to BD5 and no BD25 - don't have a BD burner (not yet, but getting closer based on these kinds of developments). It also plays full backups with HDMV or BD-J menus to BD9 with the AUXDATA folder removed.

@ Music Fan: as I indicated earlier, I tested the Sony BDP-370 in a local store, so can't do any firmware tweaking. I was interested in the BDP-370 for it's Netflix support. FWIW, I briefly had the Sony BDP-N460 (Netflix supported) back in December last year which had similar BD-J menu issues and waited for the next firmware upgrade (still the most current) issued 12/22/2009 (UPDATE_BDPN460_VER123.EXE) and it didn't fix the problem. I was able to return it and keep the Sony BDP-360. I got the Sony BDP-360 primarily on jdobbs repeated compatibility success stories and it hasn't hiccuped once (I just may try that piece of "toast" just to see). The only issue has been with those so very few DTS Express audio PIP discs when doing full backup where additionally the main audio track won't play (e.g. "Public Enemies"), but that's neither a player or BD-Rebuilder issue - a limitation of TSMUXER that's reportedly being worked on elsewhere.

The Sony BDP-360 is really a great, workhorse of a player.

[Music Fan]

Thanks for these informations.
Actually, the non compatibility with Java authored BD-5/9 is not a crippling problem for me right now because I don't have BD player/burner in my pc to copy it, but it's a pity because I might miss it one day.
And the 360 can't play as much formats as the 370 (Divx HD, MKV ...).
It's hard to find a complete player !

[jangai]

I just buyed a stunning 3D Blu-Ray BD-300 Panasonic brand new but ... surprise ...
Many BD-RB backups made over the past year did not read with this drive? As well movie only that full BD ?
All these one give good results with PS3.

Does anyone have experience with this new player and BD-RB backups ? (Panasonic DMP-BDT300)

[jdobbs]

I just buyed a stunning 3D Blu-Ray BD-300 Panasonic brand new but ... surprise ...
Many BD-RB backups made over the past year did not read with this drive? As well movie only that full BD ?
All these one give good results with PS3.

Does anyone have experience with this new player and BD-RB backups ? (Panasonic DMP-BDT300) If you look back through this thread and other BD-RB threads -- you'll likely see that the Panasonic is probably the least friendly player you can buy and use for backups... sorry.

[jangai]

If you look back through this thread and other BD-RB threads -- you'll likely see that the Panasonic is probably the least friendly player you can buy and use for backups... sorry.
Yes... I'm starting to believe ...
Unfortunately, I must, to play Blu-Ray 3D and keep my HC amp, buy the only player 3D ready with two HDMI outputs (Panasonic BDT300) to process the video (HDMI 1.4) and audio (HDMI 1.3) separately ...
I know now that I must keep my PS3 ...

[Ghitulescu]

---buy the only player 3D ready with two HDMI outputs (Panasonic BDT300) ---

Today, but not tomorrow :rolleyes:

PS: Only 18 months earlier appeared (in Germany :rolleyes:) the first BD player to feature 2 HDMI (some 2000€), yet today there are 3 or 4, maybe more - however, the second HDMI seems to be superfluous with the HDMI 1.4 (ok, you may still need 2 outputs).

[longtom]

Someone tested BD-5 playback via DVD5 and DLNA (movie only, stream directory?) with these players:

-) Sony BDP-370 (new firmware M03.R.56)
-) Panasonic DMP-BD85
-) Philips BDP7500-2

[Groucho2004]

Someone tested BD-5 playback via DVD5 and DLNA (movie only, stream directory?) with these players:

-) Sony BDP-370 (new firmware M03.R.56)
-) Panasonic DMP-BD85
-) Philips BDP7500-2

Who tested them? Link?

[longtom]

Who tested them? Link?

Sorry, HAS someone.... :stupid:

[longtom]

I have now the Philips BDP7500-2 and BD5 movie only are working.

[Ch3vr0n]

Panasonic DMP-BD85 plays BD25's just perfect. Including LTH discs

[nick9461]

Samsung BD-C5500
Plays:
Full menu copies of BD discs on DVD9,
Mkv disks with srt subs,
Netflix,
Pandora,
Blockbuster,
Vudu,
upscales DVD,
Avi disks,
Divx,
DivxHD,
xvid,
mp4,
USB connector for drives,
My US version will not play PAL :mad:
There is remote control key sequence to turn on Universal playback. Just do it before upgrading the firmware.

Also streams media from any DLNA server,
YouTube,
wireless lan with optional adaptor,

[SLOVEHEART]

My friend has had an oppo 83 for years - i sent him several dbd5 and bd9 recodes - all played fine on his machine - even those with bd-j menus. I got a med quality oppo 80 - and i've tried it with all kinds of bd5, bd9 and with bd-j and other encodes as well as with mkv files - all pay very well - and having a top color depth of 36 bits isn't to shake a stick at - i like the video / audio options - the 80 doesn't have the anchor bat video processor that supposedly helps if one is using a very big screen (like a projector) - in anycase the players have no trouble with any of the encodes and if one gets a chance to listen to the starting motor adjustment of the read head - it is being moved with an optical stepping motor - a very exact - very well built motor and long lasting too (made to move optical tables in precise ways in small incriments - i'm pleased that the $289 i spent on the oppo 80 is going toward top quality components - and oppo has released new fw which includeds a dnla experimental network sharing capability - so with a software server - one can stream files now to the oppo - it is also supported by memmzo server by conceiva software - i think for the price - one can't go wrong with an oppo - it isn't a mass produced piece of junk which has a time expectancy cutoff surely to come sooner than later!11 maybe we need to here more about these players???:)

[setarip_old]

@SLOVEHEART

Hi! and oppo has released new fwLet's hope it DOESN'T include "Cinavia" detection...

[setarip_old]

If you're suddenly having problems with your Samsung player, click on the following link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1428959#post1428959

[Capsbackup]

@setarip_old:
A very nice find! :)
I will stick with my Sony S360 and not update my firmware unless I am forced to. :cool:

[extravirgin]

I thought someone may find this of interest.

The Philips BDP3000/05 will play a full backup on BD-9. Just tried it with Centurion. Burned onto a Verbatim DVD+R DL, it looked pretty sharp too.

Not bad for a 'budget' player.

[Music Fan]

With Java menus ?

[extravirgin]

No Java on Centurion but I'll continue to test with other movies and let you know.

[jdobbs]

I thought someone may find this of interest.

The Philips BDP3000/05 will play a full backup on BD-9. Just tried it with Centurion. Burned onto a Verbatim DVD+R DL, it looked pretty sharp too.

Not bad for a 'budget' player. I'm not surprised. I've always found it interesting that the "budget" players always seem to be the most resilient. A Sony S360 (like mine) can be had for about $99 these days, and sometimes I think it would play back the top off a coffee can if I tried it.

[SLOVEHEART]

If you're suddenly having problems with your Samsung player, click on the following link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1428959#post1428959



New sure doesn't mean BETTER!!!

I think this is a basis for sage advice - don't update until the world has validated it - too bad for those who jump on the band wagon too soon -


Thanks for the info setarip_old

[jdobbs]

New sure doesn't mean BETTER!!!

I think this is a basis for sage advice - don't update until the world has validated it - too bad for those who jump on the band wagon too soon -


Thanks for the info setarip_old Same advice with everything. You don't know how many times I've had reports from people who jump-the-gun and immediately upgrade to new unproven releases of HAALI, FFDSHOW, or AVISYNTH, only to send their bug reports to BD-RB... go figure. :)

[setarip_old]

@SLOVEHEART

Thanks for the info setarip_oldMy pleasure ;>}

[extravirgin]

With Java menus ?

The Philips BDP3000/05 wouldn't play along with a full movie backup containing Java :(

[Music Fan]

Ok, thanks.
Actually, I believe it's not very useful because most of BD's with Java menus are bigger than 9 Go, so we have to copy it on a BD-25 (which are read by most of players) unless we can recompress the video keeping the Java menus to put it on a BD-9.

[drmih]

For Information:

Samsung 5900 3D player

bd-5/bd-9/bd-25/bd-re all fine in full disc backup mode (handles multi-branching titles and Universal audios which cause problems on Sonys).
avi/mp4/divx/mkv (including HD version) - all okay from disc or usb
internet tv

[xterminater]

does anyone on here know if the philips bdp5110/f7 works with full back up of bmv blu-ray to BD5 or BD9? I'm having trouble using my player after burning and encoding with DVD-RB... everything works fine but I get like a black screen and my dvd player just displays menu...

[jdobbs]

does anyone on here know if the philips bdp5110/f7 works with full back up of bmv blu-ray to BD5 or BD9? I'm having trouble using my player after burning and encoding with DVD-RB... everything works fine but I get like a black screen and my dvd player just displays menu... Does it support AVCHD?

[Edit] Never mind, I found the manual and it does support AVCHD. My guess would be, though, that if the original has java involved the disc probably wouldn't work for full backup. Most players will do movie-only backups to DVD-5 and 9, but only certain players support full backup. Of those even fewer support java on BD-5/9.

[xterminater]

hi jdobbs... this version support both java and avchd though... I just don't know why it doesn't seem to work? I'm trying a movie only encode now. I wonder, is there a way to keep the menu and only encode the main content in BD-RB? Could we have this feature in the next release?

[jdobbs]

hi jdobbs... this version support both java and avchd though... I just don't know why it doesn't seem to work? I'm trying a movie only encode now. I wonder, is there a way to keep the menu and only encode the main content in BD-RB? Could we have this feature in the next release? Probably some day, but not even close by the next release.

[xterminater]

jdobbs, do u know why eventhough the philips support java and avchd but my encode of full back up on BD-5 won't play? Also have you looked into using multiAVCHD on how to blank out ads and extras? I followed their guide but I got to a point where I tried to blank out a trailer but it said it will affect playlist #x then the next one will also affect that playlist #x . I then figured out that for the next consecutive 4 or so are the trailer that pointed back to the original first playlist. Can you tell me how I can effectively blanked out ads and extras without having this problem? Maybe I'm doing something wrong in multiAVCHD that is why my blu-ray doesn't recognized the pointer to start the movie?

[Sharc]

You may find an answer for multiAVCHD related questions in this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1228044#post1228044

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, do u know why eventhough the philips support java and avchd but my encode of full back up on BD-5 won't play? Also have you looked into using multiAVCHD on how to blank out ads and extras? I followed their guide but I got to a point where I tried to blank out a trailer but it said it will affect playlist #x then the next one will also affect that playlist #x . I then figured out that for the next consecutive 4 or so are the trailer that pointed back to the original first playlist. Can you tell me how I can effectively blanked out ads and extras without having this problem? Maybe I'm doing something wrong in multiAVCHD that is why my blu-ray doesn't recognized the pointer to start the movie? I would suggest you ask DeanK. MultiAVCHD is a fantastic program -- but I am far from expert on its internal workings.

[xterminater]

thanks jdobbs, I have posted in the other forum for multiavchd and asked deank. Just to update you on the BD5 that I tried to do, this time for movie only it worked great! To me it looked a lot better than DVD quality, color are much brighter and clearer eventhough the overall bitrate is just about 3100kbps! When choosing movie only in BD-RB, and checked "strict AVCHD", how is that structure different from the full back up mode? Also the audio is converted down to 5.1 dolby ac3 correct? It's not kept DTS anymore right jdobbs?

[jdobbs]

thanks jdobbs, I have posted in the other forum for multiavchd and asked deank. Just to update you on the BD5 that I tried to do, this time for movie only it worked great! To me it looked a lot better than DVD quality, color are much brighter and clearer eventhough the overall bitrate is just about 3100kbps! When choosing movie only in BD-RB, and checked "strict AVCHD", how is that structure different from the full back up mode? Also the audio is converted down to 5.1 dolby ac3 correct? It's not kept DTS anymore right jdobbs? It's certainly is better than DVD quality. Much, much better. It uses more sophisticated codec in AVC and is High Definition. Yes all DTS must be converted to AC3 because the AVCHD standard does not allow DTS.

[xterminater]

Will it be possible to do a movies only but still retain the DTS mode? My player support java, and the menu of the original blu-ray contents is only about 600mb total. It's separated into two parts though. If you go to the multiavchd thread you should see my problem with the playlist that I was referring to. I posted picture, please go there and tell me what you think about it.

[Capsbackup]

Will it be possible to do a movies only but still retain the DTS mode?


Yes all DTS must be converted to AC3 because the AVCHD standard does not allow DTS.

You must of missed this answer. :o

[Music Fan]

the AVCHD standard does not allow DTS.
It's false. Actually, we can put all formats on AVCHD (Dts, Dolby True HD, DTS HD, PCM 7.1, ...).
What you say only concern the "real" AVCHD created by AVCHD cameras, but most of players can play the discs created with MultiAVCHD, which are a mix of AVCHD and BD (even in strict mode).

[jdobbs]

It's false. Actually, we can put all formats on AVCHD (Dts, Dolby True HD, DTS HD, PCM 7.1, ...).
What you say only concern the "real" AVCHD created by AVCHD cameras, but most of players can play the discs created with MultiAVCHD, which are a mix of AVCHD and BD (even in strict mode). Maybe you should at least get a clue before you contradict someone. The standard is well documented and AVCHD STANDARD DOES NOT ACCEPT DTS. There is only one AVCHD standard -- and it is the "real" one. There are some minor variations by different manufacturers out there like AVCCAM and NXCAM -- but none of them allow DTS. The only allowable audio is AC3 up to 640Kbs and PCM.

The fact that some players will play back DTS is NOT a good reason to violate the standard. Your next player may not accept it -- and you're stuck with a stack of coasters.

[Music Fan]

Maybe you should at least get a clue before you contradict someone.
I can make you the same criticism, because I know that, as I already said. You should read more carefully.
But we don't care about the standard if nearly (if not) all players can play Dts on AVCHD created by MultiAVCHD (so, "nearly AVCHD" if you like precision).
And you should have said it to xterminater, instead of making him believe that it was impossible to put Dts on his project.
Anyway, xterminater has to test it on his player, and if it works, it would be stupid not to chose Dts because he couldn't read it anymore on his hypothetical future player, admitting he changes it one day.

[xterminater]

MusicFan and jdobbs... I see that both you guys have different view. I myself is a total novice when it comes to blu-ray and sound structure. I know that DTS and Dolby different in only, I guess the effects that you can hear clearer? However in BD-RB under Movie Only mode, it does not seem to keep DTS even if I chose do not convert DTS to ac3, the output BMV folder when analyzed with mediainfo and powerdvd 10 it says 5.1 DD and my Denon receiver states dolby surround as well instead of DTS....

[Music Fan]

MusicFan and jdobbs... I see that both you guys have different view.
Actually, we are both right because we don't talk about exactly the same format (I clearly said it wasn't the "real" AVCHD format, but all people who use MultiAVCHD's format call it AVCHD).
But in my opinion, it's more interesting to do what it's possible, even it doesn't follow an exceeded standard (not exceeded in theory but in the actual facts).
Even Panasonic players play Dts on MulitAVCHD's discs, while they are the least flexible players in use.
As we are not in the good topic to discuss about these details, I suggest you to try MultiAVCHD and to ask your questions on this topic ;
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744
I believe it will allow you to do what you are trying to do because it has a re-author mode.;)

[jdobbs]

No we're not both right. You are spouting nonsense -- and it is my responsibility to call you on it. Unfortunately the uninitiated who may be reading this thread don't necessarily know the difference, and when someone posts incorrect information it is the responsiblity of the moderator to make sure others don't walk away confused.

Sure -- you can multiplex anything into an M2TS and call it AVCHD. You can also put racing stripes on a turd and call it a Ferrari. But it's isn't.

[jdobbs]

As we are not in the good topic to discuss about these details, I suggest you to try MultiAVCHD and to ask your questions on this topic Since you bring up multiAVCHD, I'd also suggest to ask DeanK (the multiAVCHD author) if the AVCHD standard allows DTS. Dean knows his stuff and will also set you straight. Just because he allows you to do something doesn't mean he is suggesting it's within any kind of standard. Make sure you ask him how it is supposed to be -- not what his software allows.

By the way BD-RB also allows you to add DTS -- but I don't suggest it.

If, though, you are bound and determined to break the standard, you can add this to the INI file:

OVERRIDE_AVCHD_AUDIO_LIMIT=1

From a 2009 entry in the CHANGES.TXT file:- Added a new hidden parameter for those who wish to
ignore the AVCHD requirement for DOLBY DIGITAL audio.
"OVERRIDE_AVCHD_AUDIO_LIMIT=1" will remove the "always
convert to DD" restriction and audio will be included
per the choices made in the SETUP dialog. Using this
option is not recommended in most cases.