List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[Furiousflea]

I have not included BD25 support in this post because it appears that the majority of players will play a BD-R fully with menus etc without any problems.
If you have a player that won't - Please post the details.

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

This is a thread to help people with playback of BD-Rebuilder output.
There is dispute over whether BD-Rebuilder output is "true" BD-ROM structure

If you have personally verified a player to work, then please post the details being as specific as possible...


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Fully Disc


Denon BD-3800
Samsung BD-P1500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung BD-P2500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550*



Movie Only


Insignia N5-BRDVD\2BRDVD
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Magnavox NB500MG9
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic BD10\BD30\BD35\BD50\BD55 (If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu)
Philips BDP 7200
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BD-P1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung BD-P1600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory)
Samsung BD-P2550
Samsung BD-P3600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDAYA directory)
Sony BDP-BX1
Sony PS3 (All versions)
Tvix HD-6500A (Needs firmware change\will play menus that aren't Java\do thread search for more info)






Not Compatible


Samsung BD-P1000
Sharp BD-HP20U
Sharp BD-HP21U




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*Rumours of titles from Universal Studios having issues on these players.
However GaPony who owns an BDP-S550 has reported no problems at all, and has done a good dozen of these allegedly problematic discs...
*Update : I'm thinking this is related to complex BD-J menus and that something is not being updated corectly during the Rebuilld phase of BD-Rebuilder but this is a guess at the moment.
*Update 2 : Seems to be more and more discs with PIP tracks are showing problems.
It would appear that Universal has the majority of its discs released with these tracks since they are often straight ports from the HD DVD version when it was a sole supporter of the format
(PIP playback was mandatory on all HD DVD players and not on Bluray which explains this).

more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated

[jwgallardo]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

[drmih]

Do we need some clarification as clearly the PS3 doesn't support bd-9 except in Data mode or if the disc is AVCHD (which isn't bd-9).

However, I can confirm that the Sony BDP-S550 is also compatible.

[mochevolete]

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others :)

[turbojet]

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

[Furiousflea]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

[Furiousflea]

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

Thank you for your post.

I have read mixed reports on those players, with only jdobbs being 100% certain his player supports everything.

With this thread I'm hoping for people who have successfully played full backups will post and hopefully we can find another decent player.

Will update the OP

Cheers, Rob

[Furiousflea]

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others :)

Absolutely :) will do

[drmih]

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

[Furiousflea]

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

Sorry missed that bit, updated now :)

[jwgallardo]

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

I'll check with PS3 when my sister come back from a trip where she bring the PS3.

Regarding Denon BD-3800, I confirm working perfect with BD9 and BD5 in Full Movie mode. I'm pretty sure also works for Movie Only as it worked with BD-RB v0.17.13. Unfortunately it is not working with v0.18.X as now. I reported back to Jdobbs.

[GaPony]

You don't need to check your sister's PS3... It doesn't support BD5 or BD9 copies. It will play an AVCHD disc, or it will even play a standalone .m2ts file... so you can copy just the main .m2ts files from your BD5 and BD9 copies onto a disc by themselves, or even put multiple ones onto larger discs if you want, but you can't play the BD5 & BD9 discs themselves.

[Furiousflea]

Thank you all :)

[turbojet]

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30
Panasonic BD35 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Panasonic BD50
Panasonic BD55 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

[GZZ]

What is the diffrence between AVCHD BD9 and Bluray BD9 ?

As far as I can see the java part is the only difference. The BD9 I have done looks pretty simular to a Bluray except for the missing menu and java. Its got multiple audio/subs.

[KarstenS]

Fully Compatible: Sony BDP-S350

[turbojet]

Oh ya Sony BDP-S500 should be in fully compatible too.

GZZ: From what I see they are commonly referred to as being the same. The few different AVCHD camera streams I've seen has had this stucture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AVCHD_actual_file_structure.jpg) which is all I refer to as AVCHD. Everything outputted by tsmuxer, tsremux, BD-RB is BD to me because its identical to BD's structure for the most part. Outside of the commercial software that produce identical output from BD and AVCHD (depending on software) you have AVCHDme which changes the structure from what I refer to as BD to AVCHD and AVCHD-Patcher which changes a retail index.bdmv to what tsmuxer outputs. People's opinions on what is AVCHD and what is BD will differ a lot. What's discussed in this thread can surpass AVCHD specs (http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html).

[archaeo]

Looks like there may be a lot of conflicting 'opinions' on what works and what doesn't...

[Furiousflea]

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD35 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD50 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD55 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info :)

[drmih]

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.

[alluringreality]

want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD+\-R\DL.

The PS3 probably needs a qualifier to be listed as filling this intent. The PS3 only plays actual Blu-ray files on DVD media in file mode. The PS3 needs the AVCHD information in index.bdmv to play Blu-ray related files on writable DVD like other video discs.

NOTE: tsMuxer and TsRemux "Blu-ray" for example have the AVCHD info in the index.bdmv and play as a video disc on the PS3, because they're based on Nero's AVCHD files.

[GaPony]

The PS3 probably needs a qualifier to be listed as filling this intent. The PS3 only plays actual Blu-ray files on DVD media in file mode. The PS3 needs the AVCHD information in index.bdmv to play Blu-ray related files on writable DVD like other video discs.

NOTE: tsMuxer and TsRemux "Blu-ray" for example have the AVCHD info in the index.bdmv and play as a video disc on the PS3, because they're based on Nero's AVCHD files.

You can actually copy just the 00001.m2ts file to a UDF 2.5 DVD and it will play on the PS3. You don't have chapters, menus, etc, but it plays fine without all the additional files and folders required for an accepted AVHCD disc. I have found this to be helpful on a few problematic movies.

I'm not sure I would place the PS3 on any compatibility list for BD-9 or BD-5 because of its very narrow range of playability... Full BD-25, AVCHD, and single file playback.

[turbojet]

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info :)

Don't know what you want for confirmation. I checked all of these in a store with a BD produced by RipBot264 which is pretty close to being identical to BD-RB movie only output except RipBot264 uses b-pyramid and higher vbv bitrates which you'd think would reduce the compatability if anything. I have only tested an AVCHD stream from a camera on Panasonic BD30 and it worked.

I don't convert encoded movie only BD's to AVCHD since I don't see the point in the extra work and I'd have to ditch DTS if I did.

There's also some threads on the Samsung and Panasonic players on this forum. AVSForum has info for alot more of the players but not really from an encoding standpoint. Mainly the playability of AVCHD.

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.

[GZZ]

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.


I got a Tvix HD-6500A and install the bluray lite beta firmware for it and it dosnt like the CLPI file if it has been fixed with fixclpi, but it works just fine with the output from tsmuxer. It also play the menu on blurays (but it dont support java menu).

[Furiousflea]

Don't know what you want for confirmation. I checked all of these in a store with a BD produced by RipBot264 which is pretty close to being identical to BD-RB movie only output except RipBot264 uses b-pyramid and higher vbv bitrates which you'd think would reduce the compatability if anything. I have only tested an AVCHD stream from a camera on Panasonic BD30 and it worked.

I don't convert encoded movie only BD's to AVCHD since I don't see the point in the extra work and I'd have to ditch DTS if I did.

There's also some threads on the Samsung and Panasonic players on this forum. AVSForum has info for alot more of the players but not really from an encoding standpoint. Mainly the playability of AVCHD.

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.

Thanks just needed to be sure :)

[yonexsp]

Anyone know f the VisionQuest VQM-1000 is compatible?

[GaPony]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

[Furiousflea]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

Thanks buddy, I also got me hands on an S550 the other day :) Only done a few full backups so far but they've all worked flawlessly except "The Matrix"...I suspect the problem is BD-Rebuilder (everthing plays fine but no sound\subs on main feature either play and are not selectable via remote)

EDIT - updated OP thanks GaPony :)

Everyone else!!!!

Please give a minute of your time to help others and post your results with the fabulous BD-Rebuilder.

(thank you!)

[jdobbs]

Hmm... I did the Matrix (NTSC) without any issues -- but it was several versions back. I'll give it a test run.

[drmih]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

Could you confirm whether any of the titles you have done had DTS-HD XLL as the main audio. The ones I mentioned (The Mummy, Bourne Trilogy) all had this in common (as well as being Universal)? BD-RB is obvioulsy processing the audio as it's there when played on the PC. The problem I see is the one FuriousFlea mentions regarding The Matrix.

[GaPony]

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, was among that list. If you, or anyone else, could post a list of "suspect movies, I'll be glad to run or rerun any that I have and post the log results. All my Full Movie copies have used the defaults provided by BD-Rebuilder, unless LPCM was the default audio, then I changed it as I haven't had alot of luck with LPCM... but I haven't checked to see if its working better in the last few updates.

[Furiousflea]

The Matrix is from Warner Bros, I think just an fyi.

...So could be just bad luck and nothing even to do with Universal Studio titles?

Maybe something to do with the way playlists are being handles from a complex BD-J menu?

(just a guess lol)

[GaPony]

I don't have The Matrix, but I think I know somebody who does. I'll try to borrow it.

You are copying to BD9 or BD25...just so we're on the same sheet of music..

[drmih]

The ones I mentioned were all bd-9.

[Capsbackup]

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.
I have had this same issue on my Sony BDP-BX1, with Scorpion King and U571, and those were both DTS-HD Master Audio, and most recently X-Files 2, which has 2 versions of the movie on the disc. Theatrical version plays back fine with audio, but Extended version has no audio or subs. Batman Begins was also played back with no audio heard, but it was Dolby TrueHD. These were burned to DVD-5 media. However, when I burned these same exact backups to BD-RE, all audio played back perfect. So for myself, the issue is only on DVD media.

[jdobbs]

I have had this same issue on my Sony BDP-BX1, with Scorpion King and U571, and those were both DTS-HD Master Audio, and most recently X-Files 2, which has 2 versions of the movie on the disc. Theatrical version plays back fine with audio, but Extended version has no audio or subs. Batman Begins was also played back with no audio heard, but it was Dolby TrueHD. These were burned to DVD-5 media. However, when I burned these same exact backups to BD-RE, all audio played back perfect. So for myself, the issue is only on DVD media. That's interesting. The exact same audio played back on BD-RE but not BD-5? That certainly makes you wonder.

Did you keep them in their original format, or was it reencoded to AC3 (the default)?

[Furiousflea]

I don't have The Matrix, but I think I know somebody who does. I'll try to borrow it.

You are copying to BD9 or BD25...just so we're on the same sheet of music..

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.

As I said, ALL extras\menus\audio\subs\etc work EXCEPT the main movie. I've tried changing audio tracks and subs in the menu but no sound\subs are visible for the main movie no matter what you do. Presseng the "audio" button on the remote and nothing happens (no tracks appear).

Oh, the only things I have stripped are 3 of the 4 commentry tracks and the foreign language subs (all english subs are still on my BD9)

When I run the main m2ts through tsmuxer I can see that all trakcs are present and correct as they should be.

The orignal audio for the main feature is TrueHD -> encoded to 640k in BD-Rebuilder.

EDIT - I used an older version of BD-Rebuilder 0.17.11 (think is was .11 but it was defo 0.17.xx) This is the latest version that keeps subs, I'm sorry I'm using an older version but since sub stripping isn't possible on newer versions it would be impossible to do a full rip without stripping foreign langage subs (around 1GB of sub data on the original BD!!!)

[jdobbs]

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. Too much wasted room on subs.

[Furiousflea]

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. Too much wasted room on subs.

:) Donation on the way very shortly for your great work Mr Dobbs.

Just sent you $10 sorry it's not much but I don't wanna go overdrawn!

Keep up the good work, your the only guy I've ever donated money to in years (twice including DVD-RB~)

Your work is much appreciated.

[Capsbackup]

Did you keep them in their original format, or was it reencoded to AC3 (the default)?
It was reencoded to AC3, the default, 448kbps I believe. On X-Files 2, the AC3 was at 640kbps.

[jdobbs]

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.

As I said, ALL extras\menus\audio\subs\etc work EXCEPT the main movie. I've tried changing audio tracks and subs in the menu but no sound\subs are visible for the main movie no matter what you do. Presseng the "audio" button on the remote and nothing happens (no tracks appear).

Oh, the only things I have stripped are 3 of the 4 commentry tracks and the foreign language subs (all english subs are still on my BD9)

When I run the main m2ts through tsmuxer I can see that all trakcs are present and correct as they should be.

The orignal audio for the main feature is TrueHD -> encoded to 640k in BD-Rebuilder.

EDIT - I used an older version of BD-Rebuilder 0.17.11 (think is was .11 but it was defo 0.17.xx) This is the latest version that keeps subs, I'm sorry I'm using an older version but since sub stripping isn't possible on newer versions it would be impossible to do a full rip without stripping foreign langage subs (around 1GB of sub data on the original BD!!!) I've added the capability to remove subs in the next release. The exception is what it determines to be probable MENU files (usually smaller M2TS files that have certain telltale settings in the MPLS).

[GaPony]

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.


I'll be able to get all three Matrix movies and all three Bourne movies to play with. I'll pick them up from him on Monday and run The Matrix first..

Do I need 17.11 or will 17.13 work? I have all versions installed, so it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to try to duplicate the conditions that you worked under.

[jdobbs]

???? You should only be using v0.18.09. I can think of no reason why you'd want to use those old versions. I'll let you know how it comes out -- but I'm pretty confident that the new one will work fine.

If you wait until tomorrow, you may be able to use v0.18.10 -- and it will allow you to remove subs.

[Furiousflea]

I'll be able to get all three Matrix movies and all three Bourne movies to play with. I'll pick them up from him on Monday and run The Matrix first..

Do I need 17.11 or will 17.13 work? I have all versions installed, so it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to try to duplicate the conditions that you worked under.

Sound good :) ...I'd do what the chief say ^ :p and wait till tomorrow and try the latest version as like jdobbs says it will allow subs removal which was my only reason for using the old 0.17 releases.

Thanks for your work, would be nice to clear up.

[GaPony]

So long as I can try to duplicate your results... I'd much rather use the current version, otherwise its of no value to the beta testing itself. It will be a couple days before I get my hands on the movies anyway... Maybe I'll give my computer the day off tomorrow, its been running BD-Rebuilder almost around the clock since Dec 26th. I've probably run 200 sessions in different configurations, but I think I'm starting to get a handle on it. :)

[Furiousflea]

So long as I can try to duplicate your results... I'd much rather use the current version, otherwise its of no value to the beta testing itself. It will be a couple days before I get my hands on the movies anyway... Maybe I'll give my computer the day off tomorrow, its been running BD-Rebuilder almost around the clock since Dec 26th. I've probably run 200 sessions in different configurations, but I think I'm starting to get a handle on it. :)

Completely agree, that was my sentiment too. :)

[tyau]

i HAVE A sHARP BD-HP21U. It is not compatible with any backed up disc. None whatsoever. Discs with menu, movie only, BD5, nor BD9. It is very restrictive, applicable to all versions of firmware.

As mentioned, Sony's S550 plays Movie-Only BD5, full movie, and otherwise.

[Furiousflea]

i HAVE A sHARP BD-HP21U. It is not compatible with any backed up disc. None whatsoever. Discs with menu, movie only, BD5, nor BD9. It is very restrictive, applicable to all versions of firmware.

As mentioned, Sony's S550 plays Movie-Only BD5, full movie, and otherwise.

Thanks, added :)

[tyau]

Hey Furiousflea,

It is indicated that the Denon BD-3800 is "Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)"

Does that mean it plays all formats of BR-RB processed discs? Such as Full-backup or movie-only backup? A friend wants to purchase a BD-3800 and he wants to make sure that this player works with movie-only discs and full backup discs.

Thanks.

[Furiousflea]

Hey Furiousflea,

It is indicated that the Denon BD-3800 is "Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)"

Does that mean it plays all formats of BR-RB processed discs? Such as Full-backup or movie-only backup? A friend wants to purchase a BD-3800 and he wants to make sure that this player works with movie-only discs and full backup discs.

Thanks.

Hi there, yes it should be fully compatible with ALL content on BD5\9. That is what has been reported, I just update the list when someone posts. So what I'm saying is that I can't guarantee it will be trouble free but at least 1 person who I think sounds plausable has said it does.

[archaeo]

Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)

Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550
...more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated)



Does anyone have any feedback on the S-300 series? I've read in some forums and reviews that the player seems to have some freezing issues, and requires frequent firmware updates in order to play newer BR discs.
I'm wondering if this translates into it having issues with playback of BD Rebuilder generated backups, which could be mistaken as bugs?

[GaPony]

jdobbs uses the BDP-S301... Since he's the author, I would guess that he's getting pretty good results for that player.

[jdobbs]

I can tell you that the Sony BD-S301 is going to be the best debugged player in the world for the output of BD-RB... :) I have no freezing issues -- but I can say that it is not the fastest loading player in the world. Discs with BD-J can sometimes be annoying with their "Loading..." and graphical "I'll be with you when I get around to it" animations on the S300 series.

On the plus side -- it seems to play just about any format you can throw at it. I didn't realize just how resilient it was until I started getting reports from the other players. I can tell you that if I spent good money on a player that rejects simple AVCHD discs --- I'd be taking it back. I hate rewarding a manufacturer who failed to think ahead.

I've never found a commercial disc that wouldn't play. I updated the firmware once shortly after I bought it.

[archaeo]

I can tell you that the Sony BD-S301 is going to be the best debugged player in the world for the output of BD-RB... :) I have no freezing issues -- but I can say that it is not the fastest loading player in the world. Discs with BD-J can sometimes be annoying with their "Loading..." and graphical "I'll be with you when I get around to it" animations on the S300 series.

On the plus side -- it seems to play just about any format you can throw at it. I didn't realize just how resilient it was until I started getting reports from the other players. I can tell you that if I spent good money on a player that rejects simple AVCHD discs --- I'd be taking it back. I hate rewarding a manufacturer who failed to think ahead.

I've never found a commercial disc that wouldn't play. I updated the firmware once shortly after I bought it.

Good news :D
Yeah, I had heard about the loading times :eek:, but also have heard about it's reliability - in one forum, they nicknamed the S300 as the 'tank'. Slow, but sturdy and reliable.

I'm going to go ahead with the S300 primarily because of the reason you mentioned - you're testing with it! :) but it doesn't hurt that they seem to be very well priced right now.

[GaPony]

jdobbs should buy a truckload of S301s on the cheap and sell them at a profit...including a free copy of BD-Rebuilder. His recession (if he has one) could be over very quickly. :)

I thought buying the S-301, but have had good success with my S550, and it loads all my movies in a reasonable time.

[Furiousflea]

jdobbs should buy a truckload of S301s on the cheap and sell them at a profit...including a free copy of BD-Rebuilder. His recession (if he has one) could be over very quickly. :)

I thought buying the S-301, but have had good success with my S550, and it loads all my movies in a reasonable time.

The S550 is equal to the S301 as far as BD backups playback go. Better in most other ways. You can still pickup the 301 for cheap, I think the S350 replaced it but it doesn't have onboard analogue outputs. Would have gone for the 301 myself if it wasn't for the atrocious BDJ playback. In hindsight prolly should have done and saved £100 but there we go eh.

[Furiousflea]

Good news :D
Yeah, I had heard about the loading times :eek:, but also have heard about it's reliability - in one forum, they nicknamed the S300 as the 'tank'. Slow, but sturdy and reliable.

I'm going to go ahead with the S300 primarily because of the reason you mentioned - you're testing with it! :) but it doesn't hurt that they seem to be very well priced right now.

It's thought of as a better overall package than the S350, if you can handle the slow loading of BDJ discs then go for it. I wouldn't worry about compatibility with any sony SXXX player though, they all seem to play backups at an equal level. I haven't read jdobbs clarifying of some discs with no audio on the main feature but I would hazard a guess his player will exhibit the same behaviour.

[jdobbs]

I've done a LOT of discs (all NTSC), and haven't had one with a silent audio track yet.

[Furiousflea]

I've done a LOT of discs (all NTSC), and haven't had one with a silent audio track yet.

Thats interesting to know, did you get round to doing the "The Matrix" in the end and checking if that gave you the no audio\subs for main feature scenario on your player. I remember a few days ago you were about to try it (full disc) then you got sidetracked with the x264 bug and put it on hold?

Thanks, Rob

[drmih]

I think I was the main person who reported being unable to play the audio track on some universal discs - it is there but you can't select it on the sony. I have done The Matrix and that was okay. The titles are the ones with True HD only audio, which is about 11Gb when demuxed.

The titles I have tried are:

The Mummy
Bourne Identity
Bourne Supremacy
Bourne Ultimatum

All to bd-9

[jdobbs]

I think I was the main person who reported being unable to play the audio track on some universal discs - it is there but you can't select it on the sony. I have done The Matrix and that was okay. The titles are the ones with True HD only audio, which is about 11Gb when demuxed.

The titles I have tried are:

The Mummy
Bourne Identity
Bourne Supremacy
Bourne Ultimatum

All to bd-9My system is a Sony also. I have yet to have seen an issue. Can you list some more titles -- I don't have any of these. Are you using the tracks that are demuxed by BD-RB or are you using something else, because 11GB doesn't sound right for a BD-RB demux?

[Wombler]

The S550 is equal to the S301 as far as BD backups playback go. Better in most other ways. You can still pickup the 301 for cheap, I think the S350 replaced it but it doesn't have onboard analogue outputs. Would have gone for the 301 myself if it wasn't for the atrocious BDJ playback. In hindsight prolly should have done and saved £100 but there we go eh.

Plus the S350 doesn't have onboard decoding of DTD-HD Master Audio whereas the S550 does which is an important factor for those of us with older AV amps.


Wombler

[Furiousflea]

Plus the S350 doesn't have onboard decoding of DTD-HD Master Audio whereas the S550 does which is an important factor for those of us with older AV amps.


Wombler

:)....

[drmih]

My system is a Sony also. I have yet to have seen an issue. Can you list some more titles -- I don't have any of these. Are you using the tracks that are demuxed by BD-RB or are you using something else, because 11GB doesn't sound right for a BD-RB demux?

These are the only ones I've had this with. I did try to do one of them again but selected not to process the audio and although set to bd-9 the images came in at over 12Gb.

As i said it must be something confusing the Sony as the audio is definitely there and the discs play fine on a pc with powerdvd.

[jdobbs]

There has to be something strange about those particular titles or how you are processing on your system. I'm not getting other reports of oversizing like that.

How long is the content as seen by BD-RB for those discs?

[jdobbs]

Plus the S350 doesn't have onboard decoding of DTD-HD Master Audio whereas the S550 does which is an important factor for those of us with older AV amps.


Wombler After this thread reminded me that I hadn't updated in a while, I noticed on the Sony site that support for internal decoding of TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus have been added in the latest firmware for the S301, so I downloaded and updated.

[drmih]

There has to be something strange about those particular titles or how you are processing on your system. I'm not getting other reports of oversizing like that.

How long is the content as seen by BD-RB for those discs?

I will check it out later when I'm home but I only tried again on one disc to leave the audio untouched when it was 12GB. All of them were processed perfectly and if I only had a pc I wouldn't even know there was an issue.

[Wombler]

After this thread reminded me that I hadn't updated in a while, I noticed on the Sony site that support for internal decoding of TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus have been added in the latest firmware for the S301, so I downloaded and updated.

Ohh that's interesting.

I must check and see if that's the case for the S350 as well as it would be on my shortlist otherwise.

I haven't got a blu-ray player yet but have been checking them out recently as I'm thinking of buying one (if I can get a good enough deal).


Wombler

[deank]

(just a bit off-topic) I'm a small step away of buying a BD player. Here we have in store SONY BDP-S300B for 200EUR and it includes:

1. 1x SONY BDP-S300B
2. 1x SONY 21 BR DISK BUNDLE
3. 1x SONY CASINO ROYAL BR DISK BUNDLE
4. 1x SONY MADE OF HONOR BR DISK BUNDLE (probably misspelled MAID of honor)
5. 1x SONY OPEN 1 BR DISK BUNDLE

Does anyone has any idea what 2 and 5 are?

I'd like to buy one that I need to know will work with BD-RB output on :) any :) media. And what is this "B" in the 300B name?

edit: I just thought a bit and may be these are "21 Grams" and "Open season 1"...

[drmih]

(just a bit off-topic) I'm a small step away of buying a BD player. Here we have in store SONY BDP-S300B for 200EUR and it includes:

1. 1x SONY BDP-S300B
2. 1x SONY 21 BR DISK BUNDLE
3. 1x SONY CASINO ROYAL BR DISK BUNDLE
4. 1x SONY MADE OF HONOR BR DISK BUNDLE (probably misspelled MAID of honor)
5. 1x SONY OPEN 1 BR DISK BUNDLE

Does anyone has any idea what 2 and 5 are?

I'd like to buy one that I need to know will work with BD-RB output on :) any :) media. And what is this "B" in the 300B name?

edit: I just thought a bit and may be these are "21 Grams" and "Open season 1"...

I think it's the region - B for Europe. The only other possibility is that it specifies the colour - black.

[deank]

Thanks. I think of going there and try the player with a backup and see what happens.

[turbojet]

21 I'm guessing stars Kevin Spacey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/)

[Furiousflea]

21 I'm guessing stars Kevin Spacey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/)

Correct....

I loved it, but then I love kevin spacey and he should be a god.:p

[Wombler]

Ohh that's interesting.

I must check and see if that's the case for the S350 as well as it would be on my shortlist otherwise.

I haven't got a blu-ray player yet but have been checking them out recently as I'm thinking of buying one (if I can get a good enough deal).


Wombler

@jdobbs

Nope!

It seems that those updates haven't filtered through to the European firmwares yet.

If it's possible on the S301 then hopefully the S350 will eventually be capable of doing this as well.

At least you're sorted though.


Wombler

[GaPony]

Correct....

I loved it, but then I love kevin spacey and he should be a god.:p

He did play an alien once... I'm not so sure about a god. :D

[DrKajun]

LG BD300 Blu-Ray Player:
DVD9 (Movie Only) - Tested Good on RiData
DVD9 (BD-J Movie) - Failed on RiData
BD-R (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData
BD-R RW (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData

Question:
I tried to do a Full with BD-J menus on DVD9 and the player quicky stated it was a BDMV then posted an error. For giggles I removed the AuxData folder seeing it helped other players. It then stated the disc was a AVCHD disc and looks like it was reading the disc only to post an error that the regions between the player and Disc where different. AnyDVD says the disc has no Region. In ImgBurn I can't find a place to specify a Region to make the disc .. All my burns seem to have no Region (but the BD-R's work) ... so I guess I am confused. Should I be burning with like a Region A, and if so who do I set it up?

[Furiousflea]

LG DB300 Blu-Ray Player:
DVD9 (Movie Only) - Tested Good on RiData
DVD9 (BD-J Movie) - Failed on RiData
BD-R (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData
BD-R RW (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData

Question:
I tried to do a Full with BD-J menus on DVD9 and the player quicky stated it was a BDMV then posted an error. For giggles I removed the AuxData folder seeing it helped other players. It then stated the disc was a AVCHD disc and looks like it was reading the disc only to post an error that the regions between the player and Disc where different. AnyDVD says the disc has no Region. In ImgBurn I can't find a place to specify a Region to make the disc .. All my burns seem to have no Region (but the BD-R's work) ... so I guess I am confused. Should I be burning with like a Region A, and if so who do I set it up?

I can't answer your question but thanks for posting the information will update OP. Only thing I can say is that the behaviour you witnessed of non-playback\disc being detected as AVCHD is typical with reports from other people.

I don't think setting any region etc is going to make any difference and the player reporting this as a problem is just a red herring for - it's not reading it properly due to it being on DVD9

[DrKajun]

I can't answer your question but thanks for posting the information will update OP. Only thing I can say is that the behaviour you witnessed of non-playback\disc being detected as AVCHD is typical with reports from other people.

I don't think setting any region etc is going to make any difference and the player reporting this as a problem is just a red herring for - it's not reading it properly due to it being on DVD9

Thanks for the reply, I made a typo :). Its a "LG BD300" sorry. Should have never sold my Sony BDP-S301 to my neighbor .. lol oh well.

[sype]

Is this thread for stand alone players only, or can we discuss PC software compatibility,
I do movie only backups onto verbatim DVD9,
All work perfectly in my PS3.
None work on my Sony vaio using Intervideo WinDVD BD. Untill i changed the setting, Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie only.
This has solved my problems but i cant get any backups to play in my friends acer laptop using acer arcade software.
Sorry if im in the wrong thread.

[treeboy]

I have a Philips BDP 7200 that has been able to play ever movie-only (BD-5 & BD-9) backup I have done with BD-RB with the exception of one, that being 40 Year Old Virgin. 40 YOV has multiple M2TS files and I assume this is the reason for failure as all the rest of the movies have been single M2TS's and as stated earlier all have been successful. I haven't tried a complete backup yet as I haven't purchased any BD-25's but perhaps I'll try it to a BD-9 just to see.

[Furiousflea]

Is this thread for stand alone players only, or can we discuss PC software compatibility,
I do movie only backups onto verbatim DVD9,
All work perfectly in my PS3.
None work on my Sony vaio using Intervideo WinDVD BD. Untill i changed the setting, Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie only.
This has solved my problems but i cant get any backups to play in my friends acer laptop using acer arcade software.
Sorry if im in the wrong thread.

Standalones only, there's always a way to get things working on a computer with a bit of work. On the other hand that isn't the case with a bluray player. Thanks for posting in the thread though.


I have a Philips BDP 7200 that has been able to play ever movie-only (BD-5 & BD-9) backup I have done with BD-RB with the exception of one, that being 40 Year Old Virgin. 40 YOV has multiple M2TS files and I assume this is the reason for failure as all the rest of the movies have been single M2TS's and as stated earlier all have been successful. I haven't tried a complete backup yet as I haven't purchased any BD-25's but perhaps I'll try it to a BD-9 just to see.

Thanks, will add info to the list :) Would be great if you could check compatibility with BD9 full movie too if you don't mind wasting a DL disc on ot ;)

...Also your 40 yov can be solved though by extracting the streams you want to keep with eac3to and then creating bd output in tsmuxer (pretty much just follow the hd dvd -> bluray guide I've written in the BACKUP guide thread, it works on the same principle of extracting all the stuff you want and eac3to can fix and dodgy m2ts synching errors and give you full raw video\audio streams for muxing in tsmuxer)


(it's very easy! ;))

[alluringreality]

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

It is NOT a thread for listing players that are capable of AVCHD\Patched BD9\Anthing Else.

Like previously stated, the above quote is not consistent with the following.

PS3 does NOT support full movie discs currently but DOES support movie only discs, apologies for the confusion and changing of catergory

It's well-documented that the PS3 needs the AVCHD info in index.bdmv to play like other movie discs. The Movie Only output must be using the AVCHD info if the PS3 will play it outside file mode. If you are not familiar with the AVCHD info then run a true Blu-ray file (not tsMuxer or TsRemux) through AVCHD-Patcher to see the added information. There isn't necessarily much difference between Blu-ray and AVCHD file structure, but Blu-ray files never actually include the AVCHD information at the end of the index file. My main point is just that the Movie Only section of the post is basically documenting how to get AVCHD files to play on different players, which is worthwhile but not exactly in line with the stated intent.

[Furiousflea]

Like previously stated, the above quote is not consistent with the following.



It's well-documented that the PS3 needs the AVCHD info in index.bdmv to play like other movie discs. The Movie Only output must be using the AVCHD info if the PS3 will play it outside file mode. If you are not familiar with the AVCHD info then run a true Blu-ray file (not tsMuxer or TsRemux) through AVCHD-Patcher to see the added information. There isn't necessarily much difference between Blu-ray and AVCHD file structure, but Blu-ray files never actually include the AVCHD information at the end of the index file. My main point is just that the Movie Only section of the post is basically documenting how to get AVCHD files to play on different players, which is worthwhile but not exactly in line with the stated intent.

edit - see GaPony's post below, I was incorrect as I also assumed the ps3 needed AVCHD patching but it does not.

[GaPony]

Just set BD-Rebuilder for Movie Only and the PS3 will see it and play it as an AVCHD disc... no patches, or structural changes required. I think we may have confused this issue early on with the AVCHD discussion and what was needed on various players.

[Furiousflea]

Just set BD-Rebuilder for Movie Only and the PS3 will see it and play it as an AVCHD disc... no patches, or structural changes required. I think we may have confused this issue early on with the AVCHD discussion and what was needed on various players.

lol yep "not this again" I hear you thinking ;)

Good, I'm pleased that's thase I do hope "the case is closed" so to speak :)

[GaPony]

You must be a mind reader... :)

[alluringreality]

Just set BD-Rebuilder for Movie Only and the PS3 will see it and play it as an AVCHD disc... no patches, or structural changes required.

The PS3 requires the AVCHD item at the end of index.bdmv to play as a video disk. BD-Rebuilder does currently include the information associated with AVCHD files when Movie Only is selected, so it will play on the PS3. My comment is simply that the Movie Only output doesn't appear completely in line with "BD-ROM video structure".

[GaPony]

When I did my first Movie Only copies (back with version 17.11 & 17.13) BD-Rebuilder didn't have that additional setting. All my movie only copies played great on the PS3. They didn't play on my Samsung BDP-2500... however after using the AVCHD specific settings in later versions they played on the BDP-2500 and PS3.

You are correct that a Movie Only copy doesn't conform to the standard BD-ROM structure. Many players are forgiving enough to play them as AVCHD with no additional help, others need the "Stricter compliance for AVCHD" setting to be enabled. I'm not 100% sure even all PS3s work the same after discussing this with someone who has a PAL version of the PS3. Its become one of those "Try it and see what happens, things". Blu-Ray manufacturers would be well advised to come up with some common standard for Blu-Ray, in a similar way to those adopted by DVD manufacturers. If they did, we wouldn't need to be compiling a compatibility list. :)

[Furiousflea]

The PS3 requires the AVCHD item at the end of index.bdmv to play as a video disk. BD-Rebuilder does currently include the information associated with AVCHD files when Movie Only is selected, so it will play on the PS3. My comment is simply that the Movie Only output doesn't appear completely in line with "BD-ROM video structure".

Technically the list might be wrong. But if what you say is true and has GaPony has said in the post after yours with the Samsung player needing this info too...Where are we supposed to find users knowledgeable and with the inclination to bother finding out if their players needs this extra info.

I gueess maybe the thread title and text in op could do with changing to imply BD5\BD9 with BD-Rebuilder. But I suppose the fact I'm mentioning "movie only" and "full disc" in the op and it being in the DVD Rebuilder forum should assume people are using BD-Rebuilder.

Futhermore the list was only intended as help for jdobbs and to stop the forum being swamped with "does xxx player support xxx" and be as concise as possible. Still...I see your point but not a lot I can do as it could well be that ALL those "movie only" players need the AVCHD information?

[Furiousflea]

When I did my first Movie Only copies (back with version 17.11 & 17.13) BD-Rebuilder didn't have that additional setting. All my movie only copies played great on the PS3. They didn't play on my Samsung BDP-2500... however after using the AVCHD specific settings in later versions they played on the BDP-2500 and PS3.

You are correct that a Movie Only copy doesn't conform to the standard BD-ROM structure. Many players are forgiving enough to play them as AVCHD with no additional help, others need the "Stricter compliance for AVCHD" setting to be enabled. I'm not 100% sure even all PS3s work the same after discussing this with someone who has a PAL version of the PS3. Its become one of those "Try it and see what happens, things". Blu-Ray manufacturers would be well advised to come up with some common standard for Blu-Ray, in a similar way to those adopted by DVD manufacturers. If they did, we wouldn't need to be compiling a compatibility list. :)

I *think* there is a standard for BD playback on BD9 like HD DVD "3x" playback on dvd. It's just the manufacturers (most) don't follow it as there are no DVD-ROM releases officially so no need to as far as they are concerned.

[GaPony]

I'm sure there is a standard... stuffed away in some dusty file drawer. It appears that nobody has read it. You're even having a hard time getting 10 players confirmed as being able to play anything the same. It gets to be a bit frustrating. I have 3 different players that all act quite differently from one another. The only thing they all have in common is that they all play original Blu-Ray movies. :(

You took on quite a challenge...

[jdobbs]

I think you nailed the real issue here. Standards set certain things, and then manufacturers implement what they see is compliant -- but they all do it different ways. It took DVD a while to get all players fairly common too. Right now we're still in the infancy of BD and the "standard" is interpreted differently by lots of different OEM firmware developers. They probably pass everything in the BD certification software -- but it's in they gray areas that we run into issues.

While the basics of any standard are set in specs -- the unclear fringes of stardards are all established de-facto.

[laserfan]

I *think* there is a standard for BD playback on BD9 like HD DVD "3x" playback on dvd. It's just the manufacturers (most) don't follow it as there are no DVD-ROM releases officially so no need to as far as they are concerned.As I mentioned in the BD-RB thread, some players appear to treat DVD-ROM discs (the book-type, not the content) as "1x only" thus in order to get discs to spin at >1x (e.g. for BD-5 or 9) you need to burn them as DVD+R or DVD+R DL.

[jdobbs]

I *think* there is a standard for BD playback on BD9 like HD DVD "3x" playback on dvd. It's just the manufacturers (most) don't follow it as there are no DVD-ROM releases officially so no need to as far as they are concerned. Definitely 3x for BD-5/9. Not sure about AVCHD, but I seem to recall 2x from somewhere.

[kilbowie54]

New to the forum but I’ve been a long time lurker and learned a huge amount from everyone that posts on here.
PC is Intel Q6600 quad core, 3GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD2600 PRO, Vista 32 bit.
I want to say “thanks” to Jdobbs for all his hard work in developing BD Rebuilder.
I’ve been using it for a few weeks and I’ve successfully backed up several of my blu-ray discs to BD9 & BD5 using versions 1809, 1904 & 1906. The results always played well on an older Sony BDP-S300 but wouldn’t play at all on my Denon DVD2500BT. I don’t have a Playstation so I can’t comment.
I then downloaded version 2001 and followed the following procedure:
· Decrypt original disc using AnyDVDHD.
· Use eac3to to identify main movie m2ts file.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18(b) to remux the file to a new m2ts, removing unwanted subtitles & audio.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18 (b) to create BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders from the new m2ts file.
· Use BD-RBV02001 to “shrink” to either BD9 or BD5. Let it run overnight.
· Use ImgBurn to create .iso from the result and burn to Verbatim 8XDVD+R DL.

This method produces a BD9 or BD5 that plays without any problem on the Denon 2500BT.

[Furiousflea]

New to the forum but I’ve been a long time lurker and learned a huge amount from everyone that posts on here.
PC is Intel Q6600 quad core, 3GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD2600 PRO, Vista 32 bit.
I want to say “thanks” to Jdobbs for all his hard work in developing BD Rebuilder.
I’ve been using it for a few weeks and I’ve successfully backed up several of my blu-ray discs to BD9 & BD5 using versions 1809, 1904 & 1906. The results always played well on an older Sony BDP-S300 but wouldn’t play at all on my Denon DVD2500BT. I don’t have a Playstation so I can’t comment.
I then downloaded version 2001 and followed the following procedure:
· Decrypt original disc using AnyDVDHD.
· Use eac3to to identify main movie m2ts file.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18(b) to remux the file to a new m2ts, removing unwanted subtitles & audio.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18 (b) to create BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders from the new m2ts file.
· Use BD-RBV02001 to “shrink” to either BD9 or BD5. Let it run overnight.
· Use ImgBurn to create .iso from the result and burn to Verbatim 8XDVD+R DL.

This method produces a BD9 or BD5 that plays without any problem on the Denon 2500BT.

Are you saying "movie only" doesn't work on your Denon 2500BT and the tsmuxer bluray output does. Or are you saying that they both work. Or are you saying that you haven't tested "movie only" with your Denon and you only tried "full disc" with the Sony BDP-S300.

Thanks :)

[jdobbs]

I can't imagine how the first steps have any effect on the last ones... :confused:

[Furiousflea]

I can't imagine how the first steps have any effect on the last ones... :confused:

That's my thinking and why I asked for some clarification. It sounds like he hasn't tried "movie only" and just a straight remux through tsmuxer. Wanted to be sure as it could be a potential bug in BD-Rebuilder.

[kilbowie54]

That's my thinking and why I asked for some clarification. It sounds like he hasn't tried "movie only" and just a straight remux through tsmuxer. Wanted to be sure as it could be a potential bug in BD-Rebuilder.

My first attempts to use BD-Rebuilder on its own wouldn't work at all on the Denon DVD2500BT (this is my main machine - the older Sony isn't used now). I tried several times to create a BD25 and a BD9 using just BD-Rebuilder and nothing would play on the Denon. It was only usuing the method I outlined in my post that I could get a BD9 to play on the Denon so I stuck with that!

[Furiousflea]

My first attempts to use BD-Rebuilder on its own wouldn't work at all on the Denon DVD2500BT (this is my main machine - the older Sony isn't used now). I tried several times to create a BD25 and a BD9 using just BD-Rebuilder and nothing would play on the Denon. It was only usuing the method I outlined in my post that I could get a BD9 to play on the Denon so I stuck with that!

Did you try movie only mode in BD-Rebuilder at BD9 size on your denon?

[alluringreality]

Still...I see your point but not a lot I can do as it could well be that ALL those "movie only" players need the AVCHD information?

My point was just either to change or remove the following quote, because it doesn't apply to the movie only selection.

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

It is NOT a thread for listing players that are capable of AVCHD\Patched BD9\Anthing Else.

The movie only setting is similar to the mutant AVCHD/Blu-ray format that tsMuxer, TsRemux, or AVCHD-Patcher create. The disk falls outside BD-ROM because of the information that appears only on AVCHD disks, and it isn't really AVCHD either because the audio and video can fall outside spec.

As far as the question if all the players under movie only require the AVCHD information, I know the Magnavox does not because it is reported as being able to play strict HDMV from DVD media. On the other hand apparently the Magnavox does not play strict AVCHD, so it must have something to do with folders like reported with the Samsungs.

[Furiousflea]

My point was just either to change or remove the following quote, because it doesn't apply to the movie only selection.



The movie only setting is similar to the mutant AVCHD/Blu-ray format that tsMuxer, TsRemux, or AVCHD-Patcher create. The disk falls outside BD-ROM because of the information that appears only on AVCHD disks, and it isn't really AVCHD either because the audio and video can fall outside spec.

As far as the question if all the players under movie only require the AVCHD information, I know the Magnavox does not because it is reported as being able to play strict HDMV from DVD media. On the other hand apparently the Magnavox does not play strict AVCHD, so it must have something to do with folders like reported with the Samsungs.

Gotcha, I'll change that now. Only reason I worded it like that was to avoid confusion and try keep things clear cut as possible....

"I only want to know if the output from BD-Rebuilder will playback" would have been better in hindishgt.

Edit - I've changed the title and re-worded the text in op slightly. Hope this is all good? :)

[turbojet]

Samsung 2500 can be added to the list of Movie only, same line as 2550 is fine, just different regions of the same player.
AnyDVD fixed the region problem with panasonic players so that bit can be removed.
It seems like some Panasonic (BD35\55?) will only play movie only if 24p is unchecked in the player options, perhaps add 'If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu'.

[Furiousflea]

Samsung 2500 can be added to the list of Movie only, same line as 2550 is fine, just different regions of the same player.
AnyDVD fixed the region problem with panasonic players so that bit can be removed.
It seems like some Panasonic (BD35\55?) will only play movie only if 24p is unchecked in the player options, perhaps add 'If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu'.

Thanks, added.

[DK]

Technically the list might be wrong. But if what you say is true and has GaPony has said in the post after yours with the Samsung player needing this info too...Where are we supposed to find users knowledgeable and with the inclination to bother finding out if their players needs this extra info.

I actually have problems with BD-RE playback on the Samsung BD-2500 using bd-rb 0.20.03b

I did NOT use the "stricter avchd" setting yet but will retry.
So far bd9 w/out "stricter" setting work, but same title as bd-re25 does NOT work for me.

Will keep you updated.

+++

can confirm that i had to delete auxdata for bd9 playback

[turbojet]

Does deleting AUXDATA folder from BD25 do anything?

I believe all that stricter AVCHD setting does is delete folders (AUXDATA\BDJO?) that aren't part of AVCHD structure which somehow allows some players like Samsung's play even if it isn't really an AVCHD or even in the correct structure.

I would be interested to see if Sharp players can play encodes that are in a real AVHCD structure. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AVCHD_actual_file_structure.jpg)

[DK]

No, for BD-RE it did not help.
I already deleted auxdata because bd09 would not play at all with auxdata present.

I'm burning to BD-RE right now once again with different settings within imgburn and see if it changes anything.

[turbojet]

Have you tried while keeping the AUXDATA directory?
I think for full backups that folder might have some files in it that are needed to play some BD's.

[GaPony]

No, for BD-RE it did not help.
I already deleted auxdata because bd09 would not play at all with auxdata present.

I'm burning to BD-RE right now once again with different settings within imgburn and see if it changes anything.

Let me know exactly what you're doing and I'll try to duplicate it or find a solution... Is this a full movie or Movie Only? Let me know what movie(s) you're trying and if I have the same title, I'll use it.

[DK]

I used "movie only", burned with auxdata present and another time absent: failure in both cases

Title was Bone Collector, RCF => BD-RE 25

Same title => BD9 withOUT auxdata runs fine, with auxdata not.


Tonite I realized that my Samsung BD-2500 does NOT play 10 orignal Blu-rays, Bone Collector among them!
Only bought a BD player some 4 weeks ago and now I find it absolutely frustrating that (with latest firmware available) 10 out 30+ original titles do not play.

So I really wonder what can I try to analyze in order to find a system behind all this "failure"?

The BD-RE copy runs fine on the PC btw.

Is there any kind of folder/structural element that you would try to locate and see if other titles do or do not have this aspect in common?


+++
What FW do you have on your BD-2500, GaPony?

[Furiousflea]

If 10 of your original refuse to play and they are from different shops and they definately have no physical damage.

You player is broken.

Take it back and get a new one, we can't help you until you do because it's possible that your laser is on the way out and thus it might play some media types and not others. Either way we won't be able to help you because if something doesn't play it could be the player causing it. No way of us knowing.

I used "movie only", burned with auxdata present and another time absent: failure in both cases

Title was Bone Collector, RCF => BD-RE 25

Same title => BD9 withOUT auxdata runs fine, with auxdata not.


Tonite I realized that my Samsung BD-2500 does NOT play 10 orignal Blu-rays, Bone Collector among them!
Only bought a BD player some 4 weeks ago and now I find it absolutely frustrating that (with latest firmware available) 10 out 30+ original titles do not play.

So I really wonder what can I try to analyze in order to find a system behind all this "failure"?

The BD-RE copy runs fine on the PC btw.

Is there any kind of folder/structural element that you would try to locate and see if other titles do or do not have this aspect in common?


+++
What FW do you have on your BD-2500, GaPony?

[turbojet]

I can't think of anything else currently.

It is really frustrating even after 2+ years of BD having all these different issues with various BD players. When they start messing up their players because of new encryption they sink way too much money into and that usually gets cracked within a few months it's even worse. All I remember reading about with DVD players from the same brands is multi-angle and seamless branching issues but I don't think that even existed 2 years after DVD first showed up. I hope the BD industry realizes it needs to get back to the basics and stop complaining about how much money they are losing to piracy. I think most of there loss is due to the high prices (causing people to pirate) and trying to invent new encryption techniques that cause all the hardware manufacturers to come up with yet another firmware.

Basically in your case it sounds like you have to pirate the copyrighted material just to watch the BD you rightfully paid for in a very different state it really shouldn't work this way and you might want to let Samsung know of this. Whatever it is it could also be what's affecting your backup issue as well.

It could very well be laser but I wouldn't doubt Samsung is trying to play tricks in their firmware like they have been recently.

If you do take it back and have a chance to get another brand, you might want to keep in mind that Sony players play BD-RB full backups on BD5/9.

[GaPony]

I used "movie only", burned with auxdata present and another time absent: failure in both cases

Title was Bone Collector, RCF => BD-RE 25

Same title => BD9 withOUT auxdata runs fine, with auxdata not.


Tonite I realized that my Samsung BD-2500 does NOT play 10 orignal Blu-rays, Bone Collector among them!
Only bought a BD player some 4 weeks ago and now I find it absolutely frustrating that (with latest firmware available) 10 out 30+ original titles do not play.

So I really wonder what can I try to analyze in order to find a system behind all this "failure"?

The BD-RE copy runs fine on the PC btw.

Is there any kind of folder/structural element that you would try to locate and see if other titles do or do not have this aspect in common?


+++
What FW do you have on your BD-2500, GaPony?

I have the latest version... 2.4 I think. I think I agree that your player is broken. I've never had an original disc fail... and you shouldn't either.

[DK]

Very same BD-RE plays fine on a Samsung BD-1500 :mad:

[jwjohnson]

I can confirm that you have to disable 24p playback on the Panasonic DMP-BD35 to successfully play a movie only BD-25 done with BD-RB.

[treeboy]

I have a Philips BDP 7200 that has been able to play ever movie-only (BD-5 & BD-9) backup I have done with BD-RB with the exception of one, that being 40 Year Old Virgin. 40 YOV has multiple M2TS files and I assume this is the reason for failure as all the rest of the movies have been single M2TS's and as stated earlier all have been successful. I haven't tried a complete backup yet as I haven't purchased any BD-25's but perhaps I'll try it to a BD-9 just to see.

Well it's been a while and after a few (3) full movie DVD-9 backup attempts I have to say that the Philips 7200 does not, I repeat not play entire BD backups.

[Ghitulescu]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

Could you check again the Denons?
I've checked myself (all 3 EU-models) and none could play an industrial made BD5 (guaranteed 100%), not various outputs from freewares or badly written sharewares (1-click-solutions). You may check the post here -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1266385#post1266385.

[jdobbs]

Well it's been a while and after a few (3) full movie DVD-9 backup attempts I have to say that the Philips 7200 does not, I repeat not play entire BD backups. Some manufacturers have no interest in that market... and with the price of BD-Rs dropping, they may have good insight. I think they'll all eventually support AVCHD, just so there is at least one good home-video standard for HD. But that is a small subset of what full-up BD provides.

[Ghitulescu]

Well it's been a while and after a few (3) full movie DVD-9 backup attempts I have to say that the Philips 7200 does not, I repeat not play entire BD backups.

The EU model played my BD5 flawlessly. Its a Samsung, and all Samsungs did the same.

See my post and the follow-ups here->http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1266385#post1266385

[shearer69]

I can't think of anything else currently.

It is really frustrating even after 2+ years of BD having all these different issues with various BD players. When they start messing up their players because of new encryption they sink way too much money into and that usually gets cracked within a few months it's even worse. All I remember reading about with DVD players from the same brands is multi-angle and seamless branching issues but I don't think that even existed 2 years after DVD first showed up. I hope the BD industry realizes it needs to get back to the basics and stop complaining about how much money they are losing to piracy. I think most of there loss is due to the high prices (causing people to pirate) and trying to invent new encryption techniques that cause all the hardware manufacturers to come up with yet another firmware.

Basically in your case it sounds like you have to pirate the copyrighted material just to watch the BD you rightfully paid for in a very different state it really shouldn't work this way and you might want to let Samsung know of this. Whatever it is it could also be what's affecting your backup issue as well.

It could very well be laser but I wouldn't doubt Samsung is trying to play tricks in their firmware like they have been recently.

If you do take it back and have a chance to get another brand, you might want to keep in mind that Sony players play BD-RB full backups on BD5/9.
Samsung seem strange to me. I bought a 1500 was told by salesman to update when setup at home which I did. all was well till I did my own hd discs with nero from my hd camcorder, nothing would play, same with backups using bdrebuilder without deleting auxdata. and bd9 fullbackups no way would play. So out of curiosity I flashed firmware 2.3 back to previous version and then everything started playing without having to delete folders for movie only. I then shrank batman begins and pirates of caribbean fullbackup to dvd9 as a test and they played back perfectly. It seems there 2.3 update disables something for avchd etc. So I wrote to samsung awaiting reply (won't hold breath on it). So reverting back to older firmware seems to cure playback of avchd and bd9. Think dobbs is great for his proggy

[DK]

BD-9 (Verbatim DL 8x), which played on Samsung BD-1500 and BD-2500 before do NOT run on the latest BD-1600.

Auxdata folder removed.


BD-9 data burned to Verbatim BD-RE DOES run :mad:

[turbojet]

Have you tried on 1600 with blank auxdata directory?

[DK]

I did - doesn't make a difference.

The strange thing is that the very same/identical data burned to a DL media does NOT run whereas burned to rewritable BD-RE works.

[alluringreality]

BD-1600

The manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200903/20090303154644515/BD-P1590,1600-XAA.pdf lists AVCHD. The Movie-Only mode is based around AVCHD *.bdmv files, and the "Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie-only" should mainly limit the output to actual AVCHD folders produced by commercial software. Try the Movie-Only mode with the item under Settings -> Setup and see if the player will play it. Many AVCHD players would play that output.

Using those settings the only items I can think of right away that are not in line with AVCHD from commercial authoring software is that the programs don't seem to include the CERTIFICATE folder. Also *.clpi would begin with HDMV0100, and *.mpls would begin with MPLS0100. I can't think of ever running across any standalone players that seemed to either fail or play depending on those items.

[DK]

Will give it a go and encode a title again with "stricter options".

Still I don't understand why the identical material runs fine from BD-RE and not from DL media.

[GaPony]

Will give it a go and encode a title again with "stricter options".

Still I don't understand why the identical material runs fine from BD-RE and not from DL media.

BD25 is pretty much a universal standard... BD5/BD9 written to DVD media are not. There are lots of people in the same boat. Only a handful of players handle BD5/BD9 without any intervention of some sort.

[alluringreality]

Will give it a go and encode a title again with "stricter options".

I don't think the setting does anything except get rid of some of the empty folders. If you've already done a Movie-Only disc, just delete the extra folders. AVCHD discs from commercial authoring software only appear to include:

/BDMV
/BDMV/BACKUP
/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF
/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST
/BDMV/CLIPINF
/BDMV/PLAYLIST
/BDMV/STREAM

Generally over the past couple years Samsung players have performed differently depending on firmware, so you also might want to see if you're running current firmware.

[DK]

Thanx for the hint.

I was talking about MOVIE ONLY and still have all the data of different titles on my drives so I can check.


Concerning this:
Also *.clpi would begin with HDMV0100, and *.mpls would begin with MPLS0100.
Will I have to rename any files?

And yes, the BD-1600 is fairly new and the fw used on my version is up2date.


C.f. attached screenshot of the structure pls.

I will remove those folders not in your list and what about the files in the root folder:

index.bdmv
MovieObject.bdmv

Leave them as they are?

[alluringreality]

I'll assume that the Movie-Only encodes were done with the current version. If that's not the case then you might want to just rerun things. If you encoded using the current version, then BDMV is the main (or root) folder that will appear on the disk. Inside the BDMV folder you should have only the folders shown in the image, and you can delete the extra folders that Blu-ray uses.

What I was talking about with *.clpi and *.mpls was the contents of the files and not the file names. If you open the files with a text editor or a hex editor, the commercially-authored AVCHD would begin with HDMV0100 and MPLS0100 respectively. You can just use a text editor or a hex editor to change the 2 to a 1, but so far I haven't ran across a player that had a problem with the 2.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z109/alluringreality/AVCHD.png

[DK]

Tried the following to no avail:

a)
- BDMV
-- Backup
-- Clipinf
-- Playlist
-- Stream
-Certificate
-- Backup
index.bdmv
movieobject.bdmv

b)
- BDMV
-- Backup
-- Clipinf
-- Playlist
-- Stream
index.bdmv
movieobject.bdmv

Nothing works.

Thanx for your input so far!

[GaPony]

Try removing the \BDMV\Backup folder entirely.

[alluringreality]

Nothing works.

I'm scratching my head on what I would try. I would probably see if I could get the player to play an AVCHD disk created with commercial authoring software. If a commercially-authored AVCHD didn't work then I'd probably try complaining to Samsung, and if it did happen to work then it could provide a comparison to figure out what was different and keeping the Movie-Only disc from working. Programs like Corel VideoStudio, Nero Vision, and TotalMedia Extreme will allow you to author a video clip to AVCHD, and I think they might all have had free trials at one time or other.

The only other item I ever remember reading about with any Samsungs was about shutting off 24p http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16004283#post16004283.

[DK]

Try removing the \BDMV\Backup folder entirely.

Tried this as well and NO :mad:


Programs like Corel VideoStudio, Nero Vision, and TotalMedia Extreme will allow you to author a video clip to AVCHD, and I think they might all have had free trials at one time or other.

I'll see if I find any of those.

Regarding the 24film isssue: I'll check this but I doubt it makes a difference as the media will be ejected very soon after loading w/out any such green flash.

++++

24film setting did NOT help
Could "Booktypes" change anything?
I wonder if BD-R or BD-RE could be set instead of DVD-ROM.

[GaPony]

Maybe some consideration of exchanging this player for one of those listed to be compatible, is in order.

[DK]

I have had the 2500 in use before but it did not play ~1/3 of all my Blu-rays and that's why I exchanged it for this brand new 1600, which so far plays everything more thanf ine except BD-9.

I still don't understand why converted 8.x GB data burned to a BD-RE play whereas the same data burned to DVD double-layer don't.

[jdobbs]

I have had the 2500 in use before but it did not play ~1/3 of all my Blu-rays and that's why I exchanged it for this brand new 1600, which so far plays everything more thanf ine except BD-9.

I still don't understand why converted 8.x GB data burned to a BD-RE play whereas the same data burned to DVD double-layer don't.
The player senses a different disc type (different laser) and may access an alternate code-stream/path. When it knows the source is a red laser, it expects a DVD as opposed to a BD...

[Ghitulescu]

I still don't understand why converted 8.x GB data burned to a BD-RE play whereas the same data burned to DVD double-layer don't.
It's like feeding the digital-coax with a digital-optical cable expecting it to work because the signal is the same. It's the medium that makes the difference.

If you read one of my posts, you'll find there a comparison to miniDVD, which was a CD-R containing DVD video. Very few players could cope with such a "strange" format. Despite the capability was present.

BD5/BD9 is tolerated just because the BD-R and -RE standard and technic was not ready in time, so this would have delayed the sales on HDTV-camcorders.

That's why AVCHD discs on DVD (a sort of BD5/BD9) appeared before the BD-R standard, being a sort of BluRay Disc "lite".

[turbojet]

Samsung BD-P1600 should probably be added to the not compatible list then.

LG BD370 reported working with at least movie only backups (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1264293#post1264293) I'm still waiting to hear if it was full backups or movie only he was referring to though, but at least it can be added to movie only for now.

Also shouldn't Fully backup be full backup?

And regarding Philips BDP 7200 (Maybe have trouble with multiple m2ts movies, can be solved though by extracting with eac3to and then creating bd output in tsmuxer)
doesn't movie only produce a single m2ts so this should be a non issue?

[Furiousflea]

Samsung BD-P1600 should probably be added to the not compatible list then.

LG BD370 reported working with at least movie only backups (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1264293#post1264293) I'm still waiting to hear if it was full backups or movie only he was referring to though, but at least it can be added to movie only for now.

Also shouldn't Fully backup be full backup?

And regarding Philips BDP 7200 (Maybe have trouble with multiple m2ts movies, can be solved though by extracting with eac3to and then creating bd output in tsmuxer)
doesn't movie only produce a single m2ts so this should be a non issue?

Not nessacarily, BD-RB would always join up the m2ts though. (?)

I'll swap the other bits after I've had a coffee n a smoke n woken up...my brains somewhere else right now...It's difficult pressing buttons.

[turbojet]

The 3 seamless branching BD's I've done with BD-RB and movie only have processed this way from what I remember:

1. open playlist in tsmuxer and demux audio and subs
2. encode video of each m2ts separately
3. mux by appending all video streams and the audio/sub created in step 1 resulting in a single m2ts.

It's kind of a unique way of doing things but it does seem to work well and it's fast. Trying this outside of BD-RB is a ton of work.

Demuxing video from a seamless branched playlist in tsmuxer results in a corrupt video stream.
eac3to demuxing does work but it takes usually more then twice as long to demux then tsmuxer even on single m2ts BD's.

[zem]

Hey there,
Maybe somebody else pointed this out, but as the first page of this thread makes no mention of it...
Could anybody else re-check a BD9 with menus on the PS3 with the new firmware (2.70) ? I only have one of those (13 Ghosts), and it's working with menus and extras. I'm rebuilding another BD9 with menus as I speak, hope to be able to check tonight.

[turbojet]

Zem: European, USA or asian PS3?
Is there anything in the BDJO directory of 13 ghosts?

[zem]

It's a european PS3, first generation. I'm not at home right now, I'll check the disc tonight.

[turbojet]

Oh ok there was another report awhile ago of a european first gen PS3 playing full backups with hdmv menu (empty bdjo directory) but still definitely worth a try of latest firmware in other regions.

edit: It would also be interesting to see if first gen european players play BDJ menus (bdjo directory is not empty)

[turbojet]

A few things to add to movie only list:

LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic DMP-BD10
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BDP1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)

NOT COMPATIBLE
Samsung BDP1000

I'm all done now. Also you might want to mention that if you have a player that isn't playing a movie only output on DVD try using the strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory, if that doesn't help try deleting CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories

[Furiousflea]

A few things to add to movie only list:

LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic DMP-BD10
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Samsung BDP1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)

Cheers very much! :)

[turbojet]

You missed

MOVIE ONLY
Pioneer BDP-94HD

and

NOT COMPATIBLE
Samsung BDP1000
Samsung BDP1600

in the first post and LG BH300 is listed twice.

[Furiousflea]

You missed

MOVIE ONLY
Pioneer BDP-94HD

and

NOT COMPATIBLE
Samsung BDP1000
Samsung BDP1600

in the first post and LG BH300 is listed twice.

BH300 isn't listed twice ;)

Thanks for the others...bit duhhhhhhhh today :)

[turbojet]

BH300 isn't listed twice ;)

Thanks for the others...bit duhhhhhhhh today :)

LG BD300
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)

it's really BH300

and you forgot to remove the unnecessary info attached to the phillips player

no problem

[Furiousflea]

LG BD300
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)

it's really BH300

and you forgot to remove the unnecessary info attached to the phillips player

no problem

...Well thanx again :)

Hopefully for the last time today ;)

[Furiousflea]

LG BD300
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)

it's really BH300

and you forgot to remove the unnecessary info attached to the phillips player

no problem

I dunno, that was posted by someone in this forum a page or two back. Are you sure it will play "movie only" backups like WallE\Ratatouille?

BDRB doesn't join m2ts....or does it...If it does then obviously it will go.....


Thanx for your time.

[turbojet]

It joins them in movie only mode (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1272045#post1272045) which is the section it is under.

[Furiousflea]

It joins them in movie only mode (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1272045#post1272045) which is the section it is under.

Cool cheers for clarifying.

[drmih]

I have just done Twilight to BD-9 and have the audio issue on a Sony 550. There is no pip from what I can see but what does seem to be in common with the titles I've had before (universal primarily) is that the main english language track is HD_MASTER.

[turbojet]

Seems like Samsung BD-P1500 and BD-P2500 can be put in full backup category accoding to this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144399) but the AUXDATA directory has to be deleted.

[yonexsp]

The Samsung BD-UP5000 does NOT work for anything

[Furiousflea]

Thanks peeps, updated :)

[deank]

The Samsung BD-UP5000 does NOT work for anything

Did you try to update to FW 1.4? (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=&type=&subtype=&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=&disp_nm=BD-UP5000&model_cd=&menu=download)

[yonexsp]

Did you try to update to FW 1.4? (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=&type=&subtype=&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=&disp_nm=BD-UP5000&model_cd=&menu=download)


It's my mates machine, I believe he did

[Furiousflea]

It's my mates machine, I believe he did

In that case it's coming off the list. Please verify first hand that it doesn't work for any writeable media. Thanks :)

[drmih]

I have just done Twilight to BD-9 and have the audio issue on a Sony 550. There is no pip from what I can see but what does seem to be in common with the titles I've had before (universal primarily) is that the main english language track is HD_MASTER.

For information, I have now re-done Twilight but leaving the audio untouched to bd-25. Everything is perfect so I'm leaning towards something to do with the audio.

[zem]

Oh ok there was another report awhile ago of a european first gen PS3 playing full backups with hdmv menu (empty bdjo directory) but still definitely worth a try of latest firmware in other regions.

edit: It would also be interesting to see if first gen european players play BDJ menus (bdjo directory is not empty)

Hey guys, sorry for not getting back sooner. Ok, there's no BDJO directory at all on this disc (It's not my rip, dunno if it was there on the original disc). I did another reencode of a movie with BDJO data which didn't work in the ps3. So it's probably not related to the firmware. I'm doing another full backup of another movie with empty BDJO and let you know the result...

[turbojet]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

[Furiousflea]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

Cheers, updated OP. :)

[GaPony]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

I would pretty much agree with this assessment. (So far as BD5/BD9 are concerned)

[zem]

Cheers, updated OP. :)

You guys are a bit fast... :) So far only one disc with no BDJO directory worked, and another with BDJO didn't. I have another empty BDJO disc reencoding right now. I'll let you know as soon as I have some result.

[ironleg1963]

I am very confused about blu ray players stand alone and computer. I have not bought a drive yet because Im not sure what to get. I am looking at getting a settop bx for the tv, one for the computer and one for a laptop. I want it to do the avchd, full movies, hi def read write, everything andbe compatable with almost all media. with the computers I plan on updating to windows 7 when it is final.
Any help is appriciated, I have been using the 123 ver of dvdrebuilder pro because I just have regular dvd drives for now until I can find out what to purchase that will work with anything thrown at it.

thanks!

ironleg1963

[drmih]

I am very confused about blu ray players stand alone and computer. I have not bought a drive yet because Im not sure what to get. I am looking at getting a settop bx for the tv, one for the computer and one for a laptop. I want it to do the avchd, full movies, hi def read write, everything andbe compatable with almost all media. with the computers I plan on updating to windows 7 when it is final.
Any help is appriciated, I have been using the 123 ver of dvdrebuilder pro because I just have regular dvd drives for now until I can find out what to purchase that will work with anything thrown at it.

thanks!

ironleg1963

Computer wise there isn't an issue (and this isn't about pc solutions) as I think that most drives with current firmware and in conjunction with a product like Anydvd will handle original discs, ripping and play nearly any variation of content put on disc.
The thread deals with which standalone blu ray players can handle blu-ray content put on to writeable media, whether it be bd-re, bd-25, dvd-9, or dvd-5. Very basically, Sony players are the best solution at the moment for compatibility.

[Bundy00]

Hi there,

I have a problem with this constellation:

I've re-encoded Hellboy2 (full) without any errors with latest Rebuilder version, lastest TsMuxeR version.
(I get around the problem with VC1 interlaced by using the INI para MIN_M2TS_SIZE=460).

When I try to play it with my Pana BD35 (Firmware 1.4) I get the Universal trailer and then the main menu.

If I choose the language (no matter if german or english) nothing happens and player just stops. (It really shows STOP in the panel menu).

Some days ago I did a full rebuild of Quantum of Solace.
Here I ran into the Pana 24p issue - plays fine with 24p disabled but only sound with 24p enabled. (During rebuild I had an older TsMuxeR in place).

But why is Hellboy2 just stopping in the main menu??

Any idea?

Thanks in advance...

[Bundy00]

Sorry - I accidently choosed the wrong thread... :o

I added this to the bug report.

[Furiousflea]

Tsmuxer 1.9.9 is NOT compatible with my Sony BDP-S550 :scared:

turbojet if you read this, just to confirm my earlier post about having problems with a newer version than 1.8.35.

Anyway, I've tried on 2 seperate discs (Ghost Town and The Illusionist). Both refuse to even boot on the S550 and have been fully verified as working\readable.

They are recognised by powerdvd jusr for reference.

maybe it's something to do with BDRB not passing along the correct commandline to select the new modes (bd\avchd) that have been introduced in recent versions.

[turbojet]

1.8.35 was the first version to change --bluray the switch BD-RB uses.
It's also why I suggest 1.8.34 for those that need to mux TrueHD but I remember someone writing 1.8.35 works but 1.8.34 doesn't which is very strange.

Was that movie only or full backup?

[Furiousflea]

1.8.35 was the first version to change --bluray the switch BD-RB uses.
It's also why I suggest 1.8.34 for those that need to mux TrueHD but I remember someone writing 1.8.35 works but 1.8.34 doesn't which is very strange.

Was that movie only or full backup?

Full backup mate to a BD25

Yes I was using 1.8.35 before but decided to upgrade after (i think it was you) mentioned about the backups not working on many SAPs. It worked with my S550 but I think that is one of the few along with the other Sony players that will play anything near enough...

[turbojet]

I can't imagine suggesting to use 1.8.35+ with BD-RB but I'm not sure 1.8.34 is safe either but looking at the changelog I'd assume it would be fine.

As far as I can tell full backup's only use m2ts and clpi files from tsmuxer but I could be wrong about this. The clpi files in both outputs of 1.9.x builds is identical but it varies a little from 1.8.4 - 1.8.34 builds. This might be a huge headache for jdobbs and it might mean using 1.8.30 - 1.8.34 for some time or writing his own muxer.

[Furiousflea]

I can't imagine suggesting to use 1.8.35+ with BD-RB but I'm not sure 1.8.34 is safe either but looking at the changelog I'd assume it would be fine.

As far as I can tell full backup's only use m2ts and clpi files from tsmuxer but I could be wrong about this. The clpi files in both outputs of 1.9.x builds is identical but it varies a little from 1.8.4 - 1.8.34 builds. This might be a huge headache for jdobbs and it might mean using 1.8.30 - 1.8.34 for some time or writing his own muxer.

lol no it wasn't you who recommended to upgrade, I shouldn't have used the word upgrade, more like "not use version 1.8.35" for above reasons. :)

Well, I'll be going back to that for now it looks. Shame since it really looked like 1.9.9 was the first fully non beta proper release with virtually all problems ironed out.

Thanks for posting your thoughts.

[deank]

In full-backup mode BD-RB uses the original index.bdmv so there is no difference if you use older or newer tsmuxer.

Also tsmuxer versions won't affect any BD-25 backups (with current BD-RB version).

[yonexsp]

In that case it's coming off the list. Please verify first hand that it doesn't work for any writeable media. Thanks :)

I doesn't, verified

[Furiousflea]

I doesn't, verified

Thanks, just wanted to be sure as we can be. :)

[Furiousflea]

In full-backup mode BD-RB uses the original index.bdmv so there is no difference if you use older or newer tsmuxer.

Also tsmuxer versions won't affect any BD-25 backups (with current BD-RB version).

Well, there's some weird stuff going on here...

I just did another backup, this time burnt to a BD-RE and it read fine (using tsmuxer 1.9.9). Burnt same files to a BD-R and it won't read it...

OK, you may say "cheap media" etc, and I'd say the same usually but the disc is 100% playable with no errors whatsoever in PowerDVD9. Also done full verify in image burn against the image with a perfect reading curve up to 6x at the end.

I will test another disc tomorrow, but I reckon that the way tsmuxer is working now by writing proper bluray structure is making everything choke...

Anyways, I know this all sounds doubtful and I'd dismiss posts like this as someone not knowing what their doing if I were you too...

Will post again tomorrow as I only just got out of bed for a fag n aint got nothing on so aint practical to be messing around encoding stuff :p

[GaPony]

You're saying that because txmuxer IS writing proper Blu-Ray structure, its creating a problem?

So when txmuxer isn't doing what's its supposed to do, everything works correctly? A bit counter-intuitive, I would think... :)

[turbojet]

In full-backup mode BD-RB uses the original index.bdmv so there is no difference if you use older or newer tsmuxer.

Also tsmuxer versions won't affect any BD-25 backups (with current BD-RB version).

I thought the same but BD-RB uses clpi files from TSMuxer and they changed a little bit from the known working one in 1.8.18.

Also the mpls files aren't a direct copy but I'm not sure how it changes those but they differ from TSMuxer 1.8.18 output.

[Furiousflea]

You're saying that because txmuxer IS writing proper Blu-Ray structure, its creating a problem?

So when txmuxer isn't doing what's its supposed to do, everything works correctly? A bit counter-intuitive, I would think... :)

Pretty much. I want to be certain so will do a couple more discs.

[deank]

I thought the same but BD-RB uses clpi files from TSMuxer and they changed a little bit from the known working one in 1.8.18.

Also the mpls files aren't a direct copy but I'm not sure how it changes those but they differ from TSMuxer 1.8.18 output.

I think BD-RB rewrites all clpi and mpls files - after all it is the most important thing and it's what BD-RB does to make full-backups (aside from the encoding).

Of course once jdobbs returns he'll shed more light.

[meatwad]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

turbojet, did you have to delete the auxfolder on the 2500 for full disc playback? I'm only asking because I've tested a few BD25 full disc backups on a friend's 2550 region A and they played fine without deleting it. If your full disc backups are BD9's then just ignore my post. I haven't tested any full disc backups on BD9 or 5. He wasn't sure about his firmware revision. BD-RE media was used. No TrueHD or DTS tracks. If they had them they were removed or converted.

Also, he tested a full disc backup with DTS on it burned with Ritek 2X BD-R media (I'm skeptical about the media even though it was verified) and it wouldn't play. The disc plays fine on my PC with the latest PowerDVD. I'm going to put the backup on a BD-RE to try to rule out if wouldn't play due to the media used. I used the stock version of BD-RB and I've read that the TSmuxer version included has issues with TrueHD and DTS so that too is in question.

[turbojet]

I didn't test it but the people that did were referring to deleting AUXDATA on BD5/9 and it's not part of AVCHD standard which is all the player claims to support on DVD.

It makes sense that BDR can play with it as retail BD's have that folder too and it's requred for bluray. I wouldn't be surprised if removing the directory would break playback on a BDR.

[zem]

You guys are a bit fast... :) So far only one disc with no BDJO directory worked, and another with BDJO didn't. I have another empty BDJO disc reencoding right now. I'll let you know as soon as I have some result.

guys, remove the ps3 from the full backup category. I did 2 other backups which had empty BDJO directories and they show up as data disc. So I don't know what happened with this copy of 13 ghosts I got. I need to investigate :P. 13 ghosts shows up as AVCHD and has menus and extras. I don't get it...

[turbojet]

guys, remove the ps3 from the full backup category. I did 2 other backups which had empty BDJO directories and they show up as data disc. So I don't know what happened with this copy of 13 ghosts I got. I need to investigate :P. 13 ghosts shows up as AVCHD and has menus and extras. I don't get it...

Hmm can you see if AVC-HD Patcher (http://v2pwpg.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pjbPR46gFDXFpZxe0_J9m4T6YN3dqy0Xq1ICRdjKwlvZgqWJiVZA5GjdO3Ggz9Pjajye6G0sCz_GqjDUsXtj7Qw/AVCHD-Patcher_1.06.rar?download) or goBD (http://212.36.7.36/sub/new/goBD-tool.exe) changes anything?

[deank]

Full-movie will work on BD-R disc not on DVD. Probably with goBD it will work, but it proved that not all PS3s will work.

[Furiousflea]

guys, remove the ps3 from the full backup category. I did 2 other backups which had empty BDJO directories and they show up as data disc. So I don't know what happened with this copy of 13 ghosts I got. I need to investigate :P. 13 ghosts shows up as AVCHD and has menus and extras. I don't get it...

Yeah will do...I suspected this might be the case.

[jdobbs]

I've been out for awhile and I'm not familiar with goBD... what does it do?

[GaPony]

I've been out for awhile and I'm not familiar with goBD... what does it do?

Its the little program Deank was working on to make full movie copies to BD5/BD9 work on the PS3... but it only seems to work for non-US versions of the PS3... I'm sure you commented on this before when he was first releasing it. :)

[shearer69]

Seems like Samsung BD-P1500 and BD-P2500 can be put in full backup category accoding to this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144399) but the AUXDATA directory has to be deleted.

If it has previous firmare (dont upgrade to 2.3) you dont need delete anything I've backed 30+ bdr full backup to bd9 with no playback problems

[Furiousflea]

Enough is enough...

The PS3 obiously doesn't support BD5\BD9 (certainly not with latest firmware on BDJ discs), even then it's only the first EU versions right?

There hasn't been one report to my knowledge of any definate "THIS DOES WORK" with no doubts.

Removing until someone credible can catergorically state what does\does not work. Then we can never talk about it again :cool:

,,,well sorry you know what I mean though. No point constantly reporting contradictory information.

We need to know what does work and what doesn't from someone who has tried everything, what fw\region version etc.

[zem]

just for info, AVCHD patcher did the trick. My BD9 now work with menu and extras on the PS3. Thanks for the tip turbojet.

[DK]

Because the Samsung BD-P1600 I bought 3 weeks ago does not play any AVCHD/MINI BD material burned to Verbatim DVD+R DL (with almost any kind of structure this thread suggests), I contacted Samsung support by phone and email.

I was told the player should play AVCHD according to the specs (which I knew beforehand and because of which this new modell was chosen) and Samsung advised me to return the player.

Today I went to the store where I bought it w/OUT the player but with three different DVD+R DL with Movie-only AVCHD content and tested another Samsung BD-P1600:
again it completely failed!


I then tested LG 370, Samsung 4610 xeg + Pansonic BD 60

- LG 370 did play one (I did not test more than this one DVD) tested media absolutely fine.
The disc tested with the LG contained these subfolders:
-BDMV
--CLIPINF
--PLAYLIST
--BACKUP
--STREAM

Same disc also played fine with:
- Samsung BD-P4610 XEG
- Panasonic BD 60

Both player also played another disc with this structure:
- BDMV
--CLIPINF
--BACKUP
--BDJO
--JAR
--META
--PLAYLIST
--STREAM
- Certificate

- Sony 350 played this structure fine (did not test any other):
-BDMV
--CLIPINF
--PLAYLIST
--BACKUP
--STREAM


All titles are movie only 9gb burned with Imgburn on Verbatim DVD+R DL

[jdobbs]

Its the little program Deank was working on to make full movie copies to BD5/BD9 work on the PS3... but it only seems to work for non-US versions of the PS3... I'm sure you commented on this before when he was first releasing it. :)Ohh... yeah I'm familiar with DeanK's good work on compatibility... guess I forgot the name. When I get back to serious work on BD-RB (only had a couple of free days to fix a couple of bugs last weekend) I'll try to work with him to integrate it.

[prenz]

@DK: What Booktype has your BD9 set? Samsung BD-P 1600 won't play any AVCHD/BD-content off a DVD booktyped as 'DVD-ROM'. Change the Booktype to 'DVD+R' or 'DVD+RW' and the disc will play fine (even with VC1 and EAC3!) as long as you use strict AVCHD structure. Haven't tested this with BD9 though, only BD5.

[DK]

hello prenz,

i actually have set the default booktype to -rom and most if not all of my tests were done with this booktype.

i would have returend the player today had you not posted this piece of information.

will test this after work and get back to you here.

maybe it will save me quite some money but i am more than p%&§ed off that the Samsung support which i have contacted THREE times is not able to provide this kind of information.

all those sucker told me was the 1600 DOES play avchd when no single disc i created so far did not play on two different 1600 models.

incredible if booktype settings could actually change this.

thanx a ton for this advice! :thanks:

[deank]

Don't be so quick to blame samsung for what they've told you because you need to test real AVCHD first.

Download this sample, burn it to DVD and test. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AVSEO5G0)

You may want to leave only BDMV folder and remove AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META.

[DK]

Of course you're right not to jump to conclusions too fast but it is annoying that the discs I have done so far run fine on Samsung 1500, 2500 and 4610.

So I still consider this a case of inpropriate firmware management or quality control.

At least the "support" should be able to provide customers with decent information as to what runs fine according to their testing procedure.

And by the way I have already removed those subfolders you name and i did burn many many discs with different structure and none of them run on the bd-1600 so far.

But i will download the file you link and test the booktype later today.


Thanx everyone for your comments and suggestions!

[deank]

I'm sure it will work... also check if you have the latest firmware (I saw some updates for these models).

[DK]

I check the software update page for the bd-1600 multiple times a day and until last night there was no update available for this model.

recently fw were released for 1500 + 2500, that's true.

will let all of you know later tonite what booktype settings and your file may provide.

[prenz]

Sample from deank works fine on my 1600. Just had to remove AUXDATA, burnt to a +RW with +RW-Booktype set.

[DK]

Thank you so much, prenz!

Finally i got the Samsung BD-P1600 to play a BD9.

I use Imgburn for burning the Verbatim DVD+R DL media but i had to search for quite a while to find the option under "write" by the name of "automatically change book type" which i had to DISABLE in order no to set the book type to DVD-ROM but to the default dvd+r.

I used movie only, bd9 and NO auxdata and now the first of my many conversion runs on the Samsung 1600.

Will have to re-burn the other titels, which were burned with -rom booktype and which run fine on samsung 1500, 2500 and even 4610 but not the 1600 model.


The file deank linked also played fine burned to a dvd+rw with +rw booktype.



One more thing:
I had frozen images (sound played on) every 2-3 minutes with the 1600 set to 24p AND 1080p.
Disabled 24p and set to 1080i the first movie plays for quite a while without frozen images.

The frozen images btw will keep on playing after some 2-4 seconds but it repeats itself over and over again every 2-3 minutes with 24p film mode and 1080p.

[prenz]

Hi DK, glad to hear that this worked for you too! :)

I've been pondering a bit as to why the 1600 won't play a ROM-Booktype - maybe it's because a lot of bootlegged BD-/HD-Discs from Asian markets are actually pressed DVDs which contain AVCHD-Structures. I mailed the Samsung-Support about this, but I don't expect an honest response in that matter.

I guess Furiousflea can move the 1600 to the "Movie-Only"-Section (i'm gonna try Full Movie one of these days. My first try wasn't rejected by the player, but didn't play either - frozen with black screen)

I'm watching a BD5 right now (not BD-Rebuilder, but homebrewn using x264/eac3to/tsmuxer taken off a HDDVD), 1080p@24, but no freezers within the first 30 mins so far...

[deank]

Just a note... For example in Panasonic BD-3x user manual there is an explicit note that player DOES NOT support DVD-ROM media for JPEG/AVCHD playback. Take a look at your players' manuals.

[turbojet]

On avsforum at least 2 people reported these players playing with AVCHD camcorder clips which in theory should equate to movie only with strict avchd setting enabled.

Olevia BD-110
Panasonic DMP-BD80
Pioneer BDP-05FD
Pioneer BDP-LX70
Samsung BD-P3600
Samsung BD-P4610
Sony BDP-S1
Sony BDP-S5000ES

Some of these are discontinued, some are brand new. Nothing else has been tested on them.

[deank]

Camcoder AVCHD files have almost nothing to do with AVCHD output from tsmuxer/bd-rb/multiavchd/etc. As I posted a lot of times - what camcoders produce is a real avchd output, not the one from tsmuxer, so don't confuse them.

[turbojet]

I should have clarified myself a bit. Most of the camcorder clips were output as (m2)ts files that had to be converted to AVCHD, some used TSMuxer, some used Pinnacle Studio 12, some used Arcsoft, some used Nero. Some didn't mention what they used, unfortunately I didn't note it. But if it's directly output from camcorder would there be differences in bdmv/clpi/mpls files compared to tsmuxer?

At some point I will try to test Olevia BD-110, Panasonic DMP-BD80, Samsung BD-P3600, Samsung BD-P4600 at stores with various tsmuxer outputs. Unless someone beats me to it. But it's ok to leave them off the list until confirmed. I see DK has confirmed the Samsung BD-P4610 working with strict avchd setting enabled a few days ago.

deank: Also a bit OT but do you know if the differences in movieobject.bdmv of bluray output between 1.8.35-1.9.7 vs 1.9.8-1.9.9 affects playability?

[deank]

...if it's directly output from camcorder would there be differences in bdmv/clpi/mpls files compared to tsmuxer?

Yes. Otherwise tsmuxer's output (with compatible AVCHD video+audio) would have played back in the camcoder/avchd bd player via sdhc.

... Do you know if the differences in movieobject.bdmv of bluray output between 1.8.35-1.9.7 vs 1.9.8-1.9.9 affects playability?

No. movieobject.bdmv is the ONLY file that has no impact on BDMV/AVCHD modes. Some players will ignore certain nav-commands in movieobject if in true AVCHD mode (like setsecondstream/pip).

[dav88]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but just upgraded to firmware 2.4 on BD-P1500 and all my bluray on dvd play now. It has all the folders(auxdata etc.).

[turbojet]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but just upgraded to firmware 2.4 on BD-P1500 and all my bluray on dvd play now. It has all the folders(auxdata etc.).

Is this full backup or movie only?

[dav88]

It's movie only.

[turbojet]

FuriousFlea: as of 0.28.08 movie only refers to strict avchd enabled only. Movie only without strict avchd won't play on most players. Maybe you want to change it to 'Movie Only (strict avchd enabled only)' ?

[DK]

Since posting in this thread that Samsung 1600 is MovieOnly comptabile (now that booktype issues have been solved thanks to members here) and writing a PN asking to add the 1600 to the compatible list, I'm posting here once again:

please add Samsung 1600

[Wolfe999]

I'm a little bit lost and tired, so please bear with me a little.

I've been using DVD Rebuilder pro some years now and yesterday I got my new PC (just for BD-Rebuilder... nothing else), an i7 920 with 6GB RAM, a decent graphic with 512 MG dedicated and an asus mobo... (I don't have the specs at hand) I don't even plan on conecting that machine to the net :)

JDobbs I think you are creating a fantastic program again and of course you'll soon get my first donation for this program).

OK, yesterday night I ripped the HULK and did it "movie only" (I plan on doing always only movie with no extras and 2 languages + 2 subs. I think everything went OK, though I'm not sure because I haven't been able to make Cyberlink PDVD read the image I created with Imgbrn and mounted on Elby VirtualCloneDrive. Always got the message format not recognized.

I installed MPC player and could see it (though very jumpy) and "saw" that the quality was awesome and all was synchronized.

I still have no Blu Ray Standalone player (for the moment I spent the money on my new PC). But I need you to recommend me one that "eats" my movie only... I didn't check the AVCHD on BD-Rebuilder, shall I have to do it? A friend of mine will buy the standalone player almost as soon as you recommend me one and will try the rips there for now. Well, now I'm gonna burn HULK on a DVD DL and just try it in my LG burner, but it won't be the same.

And last (sorry for the "rant".., I know I'm becoming lost in a vast garden) I want to keep my new PC as clean and uncluttered as possible. Besides the codecs that may come with Power DVD and the ones I had to install with BD Rebuilder, I haven't installed anything else. Can you tell me what else I have to install and the way to configure MPC so as to see smootly the resulting BD rip?

Another thing, I also bought some really cheap HD DVD and I'd like to know if I can convert them to BD9? I know this last night I read something about a guide written by FuriousFlea, but for my life that I can't find it now.

Sorry If I've went out of this thread at some moments and I'd really appreciate all the help that you can give me on these issues.

regards :)

[setarip_old]

@Wolfe999

Hi!I also bought some really cheap HD DVD and I'd like to know if I can convert them to BD9

Read the "HD-DVD" portion of this easy-to-follow guide by "Quadcore":

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

[Wolfe999]

@Wolfe999

Hi!

Read the "HD-DVD" portion of this easy-to-follow guide by "Quadcore":

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

Thank you, setarip_old. I will try it. I suppose that if I rip the HD DVD complete and then convert it to Blu Ray, I could keep the languages and subs I'd want and use BD-Rebuilder, right? Well, I'll try it.

If anybody, you included setarip_old, can help me with the rest of the issues, it would be much appreciated. Especially the Power DVD thing. It seems everybody can play an ISO while I only receive the message format not compatible or unrecognized... :?:

Regards
Wolfe999 :)

[turbojet]

Wolfe999: if you replace tools\tsmuxer.exe with the exe from 1.10.6 (http://www.videohelp.com/download/tsMuxeR_1.10.6.zip) and check strict AVCHD in BD-Rebuilder it should play in powerDVD and all but 1 or 2 (both samsung) standalone players.

[Wolfe999]

Wolfe999: if you replace tools\tsmuxer.exe with the exe from 1.10.6 (http://www.videohelp.com/download/tsMuxeR_1.10.6.zip) and check strict AVCHD in BD-Rebuilder it should play in powerDVD and all but 1 or 2 (both samsung) standalone players.

@turbojet: Thank you very much. A very useful info indeed. Tonight I will repeat HULK with the settings & change of exe you recommended. It's great to know that with the exception of those Samsung, the DVD's will play in all standalone's. :)

[turbojet]

Your welcome. I also forgot to mention that you can use the latest tsmuxergui on your already encoded output by inputting the PLAYLIST/00000.mpls, choosing avchd output and start muxing.

Also forgot to mention Sharp players don't play any backups of any kind other than that all tested play movie only.

As for a suggestion on a BD player if you are looking for playing full backups on dvd only some samsungs and sony players out of the ones tested currently work (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146339).
If you are only going to play back movie only any player except Sharp's play so it really depends on the other features, brand bias, price, etc.

A few things that may be intriguing:
- Panasonic playback of AVCHD from SDHC cards
- LG BD390 playing mkv/mp4/divx/xvid
- Panasonic playback of divx/xvid
- netflix/amazon streaming

[Wolfe999]

@turbojet: Yeah, I will always do movie only backups. I prefer to give all the space possible to quality of the movie. Besides, and it's jus my opinion, of course, with the exception of a few movies and some good editions (kind of Criterion), the extras are almost always filler, so for me are not worthwhile.

From what I was reading last night, I was going to choose Sony, but I like the alternative you give of the Panasonic & LG.

Thanx again :)

[spiffy]

Sorry if this is slightly not on topic; but I'm having a hard time locating a brand new (unopened) unit of Sony BDP-S550; even the Sony store is only selling refurbished ones. My local store (Fry's) tells me it's discontinued; can anyone give me some suggestions on what should I do to get full compatibility, or should I bite the bullet and get an open box one? Thanks in advance!

[GaPony]

Sorry if this is slightly not on topic; but I'm having a hard time locating a brand new (unopened) unit of Sony BDP-S550; even the Sony store is only selling refurbished ones. My local store (Fry's) tells me it's discontinued; can anyone give me some suggestions on what should I do to get full compatibility, or should I bite the bullet and get an open box one? Thanks in advance!

Unless you just happen to require the 7-channel analog output, find yourself a deal on a Sony BDP-S350. They are pretty much identical with that one exception. If you want the newer model, look for the BDP-S360.

[spiffy]

Unless you just happen to require the 7-channel analog output, find yourself a deal on a Sony BDP-S350. They are pretty much identical with that one exception. If you want the newer model, look for the BDP-S360.

Thank you, GaPony; is it confirmed that BDP-S360 has full compatibility just as the previous models?

[GaPony]

Thank you, GaPony; is it confirmed that BDP-S360 has full compatibility just as the previous models?

I can't speak for the BDP-S360, since its brand new to market, but a friend of mine has the BDP-S350 and it does everything just as well as my BDP-S550, with the exception of the 7-channel analog outputs. In full disclosure, neither of us spend alot of time messing around with a bunch of custom setting for any particular movie, so my comments are directed to quality audio and video playback of just popping in the disc and watching the movie. :)

My guess is that Sony has taken some lessons learned from the BDP-S350 and applied them to the newer BDP-S360, and the same will likely be true for the BDP-S550 in regards to the BDP-S560, when it comes to market. Sony has a good record of improving things with each new model.

I would recommend going to an electronics store with a couple of copies (copied with some varying BD-RB settings) and see how well they play on whatever player you are considering purchasing. Running around to other friends houses to see if your copies work on their setups is also a good idea.

[drmih]

I have just discovered that the issue with Sony players and Universal and or PiP discs is nothing to do with the encoding. I took the same bd-9 full disc output and burnt it to a bd-re and it played fine in a sony 550. I then burnt it to a bd-9 and the audio couldn't be selected.
Not sure what is going on.

[user822]

Thinking about that now....
If i buy a bd-p1500 should i better NOT update the Firmware to keep it compatible?

[DK]

i wouldnt buy the older 1500 - go for the new 1600 instead; it's a great player now that i know that AVCHD requires +R as booktype.

same goes for the 3600 as well.
friend of mine got the 3600 and like my 1600 it only accepts AVCHD when +R is used as booktype but not -ROM.

it is annoying btw to see that this thread has NOT been updated and still wrongfully states the samsung 1600 as NOT compatible which is wrong though i have pointed out in this thread that using a different booktype setting changes solves the issue and also send a PN, which was ignored.

[GaPony]

Thinking about that now....
If i buy a bd-p1500 should i better NOT update the Firmware to keep it compatible?

Actually... you should buy the Sony BDP-S360 instead. :) I have the Sammy BDP-2500 and it offers NetFlix streaming, but its a long way from Blu-Ray quality, so I don't bother.

[Wombler]

I found this guide (http://www.corusa.com/public/Blu-Ray_Backup_Guide_milOtis.pdf) cited on another forum which purportedly creates BD-5s that will play on any Blu-Ray player.

The author claims this is possible by taking the BD-Rebuilder output, patching the index.bdmv file then burning with the UDF 2.50 file system.

Naturally I take all these claims with a large degree of scepticism as the guys here have probably already done this to death but is there any element of truth in these claims?

BTW the first bit of this PDF just goes through the standard ripping/BD-RB procedure and the relevant stuff is from page 25 onwards.


Wombler

[deank]

Congratulations! You have successfully backup up a Blu‐Ray disc to a BD‐5 DVD! Since we patched the index file, and burned
the DVD in UDF 2.50 format, this disc will be playable in any home/set‐top or computer Blu‐Ray player!

I wonder if he ever tested what he described and even if he did, how many "blu-ray players" did he test with to state so bravely that it will work in "all".

AVCHD patcher is a simple tool that adds some bytes (if index.bdmv if from BDRB's full backup ouput) in index.bdmv which may work for some bd discs (especially when played in ps3), but that's it.

[GaPony]

I'd say he's take a very long way around to create a movie only copy to BD5. BD-Rebuilder is currently quite capable of creating a movie only copy to BD5 discs that will play on "most" players without all the hocus pocus stuff that writer was talking about. Its the full movie backups that are problematic for many people.

Personally, I just don't see the need to use Daemon Tools, or to bother mounting/dismounting ISO images. A simple "Rip to Hard Drive" with AnyDVD-HD is all that's required.

I think the writer needs to do some more testing and research... he has many flaws.

[deank]

Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1296498#post1296498) is an interesting one...

[Wombler]

I wonder if he ever tested what he described and even if he did, how many "blu-ray players" did he test with to state so bravely that it will work in "all".

AVCHD patcher is a simple tool that adds some bytes (if index.bdmv if from BDRB's full backup ouput) in index.bdmv which may work for some bd discs (especially when played in ps3), but that's it.

Thanks for the clarification deank.

I thought this was nonsense but wasn't entirely sure.


Wombler

[Wombler]

Personally, I just don't see the need to use Daemon Tools, or to bother mounting/dismounting ISO images. A simple "Rip to Hard Drive" with AnyDVD-HD is all that's required.

I think the writer needs to do some more testing and research... he has many flaws.

My thoughts exactly, there's no need to mess around with ISOs and it's a lot simpler without that.


Wombler

[GaPony]

Its probably a fool's errand to even attempt any sort of detailed guide at this point. All the programs being used, for the most part, are undergoing rapid changes in development and any written guide is going to be obsolete as soon as its published. The same is true with Blu-Ray players... lots of new models, lots of firmware updates, its very difficult to tell whats going to work with what combination of copying tools, and whith what settings used.

Furiousflea has as good a list of compatible players that I've seen, and the BD_Rebuilder guide posted here on this forum is a good as one can expect.

[Category 5]

i wouldnt buy the older 1500 - go for the new 1600 instead; it's a great player now that i know that AVCHD requires +R as booktype.

same goes for the 3600 as well.
friend of mine got the 3600 and like my 1600 it only accepts AVCHD when +R is used as booktype but not -ROM.

it is annoying btw to see that this thread has NOT been updated and still wrongfully states the samsung 1600 as NOT compatible which is wrong though i have pointed out in this thread that using a different booktype setting changes solves the issue and also send a PN, which was ignored.

Trying to figure this out in IMGBurn but can't

What do I change to get this working?

[setarip_old]

@Category 5

Hi!

Click on the following link:

www.forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9992

[Category 5]

@Category 5

Hi!

Click on the following link:

www.forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9992

thanks setarip. I changed it to normal (only other options are dvd-rom and dvd-rw) but when it burns imgburn still says booktype:dvd-rom and of course the resultant disc fails to play on my 1600

[setarip_old]

@Category 5

It may be, as it was with a Pioneer burner that I have on one of my systems, that your burner automatically sets D/L media as "DVD-ROM"...

[DK]

Since the link Setarip posted does not work for me I cant judge what solution has been proposed but in my case i had to UNcheck the topmost box: Auto "change booktype" in order for my LG burner to use +R as booktype for the DVD-DL media.

[tyau]

Good news. A friend of 20 years has a new addition to his home theater: the Sony BDP-S360.

I lent him a couple of my BD-RB BD5 movie-only and they play flawlessly. Full movie works as well. However, because my friend of 20 years refuses to let me into his home, I can only confirm by what he is telling me. All formats of BD-RB DVD discs work.

[GaPony]

That's an interesting "friendship" you have. :)

I would expect the S-360 to work pretty much like the S-350.

[tyau]

That's an interesting "friendship" you have. :)

I would expect the S-360 to work pretty much like the S-350.


LOL!!! Yeah I believe he is a germ-phobic. Having his grandchild living with him makes him even more conscious of germs and people bringing in bacteria from the outside.

Anyway, I believe the S-360 being very similar to the S-350. Perhaps the S-360 has more features and made in China compared to the S-350 with less features and made in Japan. That's just my speculation; I haven't done a research on it. I already have a Sony S-550.

I find it a pleasant surprise that the S-360 plays backup media produced by BD-RB. At least Sony isn't making any moves (yet) to counter the "media backup community". My Sharp player only plays original copies of BD.

[GaPony]

Its going to be difficult for manufacturers to build a player to thwart copies as long as more and more start supporting AVCHD. As long as people keep building HD video cameras, AVCHD will do nothing but grow.

Your Sharp doesn't support AVCHD? Have you checked for firmware updates?

I pickup my 2 y/o grandson from daycare and babysit pretty often. I'm convinced that adults need biohazard suits to safely walk into those places... They are nothing but biological weapons laboratories. I swear that I can sometimes feel the germs attacking me before I can even get out of the building :)

[jdobbs]

Its going to be difficult for manufacturers to build a player to thwart copies as long as more and more start supporting AVCHD. As long as people keep building HD video cameras, AVCHD will do nothing but grow.

Your Sharp doesn't support AVCHD? Have you checked for firmware updates?

I pickup my 2 y/o grandson from daycare and babysit pretty often. I'm convinced that adults need biohazard suits to safely walk into those places... They are nothing but biological weapons laboratories. I swear that I can sometimes feel the germs attacking me before I can even get out of the building :)My wife is a teacher... she brings the lab home... :)

[chiholam]

Hi there

Have been reading through this thread, others on Doom9 and many on AVForums regarding the BD-RB and standalone players. Had the Panasonic BD35, and returned that due to not working with any BD25/9s, and now have the choice of either the Samsung BD-1600, and LG BD370. Originally bought the BD1600, but returned it, because it wouldn't work with BD9 AVCHD - had removed the AUXDATA - but only just read today that I should have also leave the book-type unchanged (was previously set to Auto/DVD-ROM in imgburn).

Then bought the LG BD370 and that appears to work with BD9/AVCHD, but also appears to be 'flakey' - doesn't work with a BD25 of Seven Pounds - would not load the menu (whereas the BD-1600 worked with this), crashed after 30mins of a DVDR (House), and crashed after 5 mins of a BD9 of Mall Cop. Had already made sure I had the latest firmware.

I've got a replacement (unopened) LG BD370 in case it was just a bad box – not opened it yet as I saw that the Samsung BD-1600 may also work now.

What's the consensus here - which has better compatibility BD-1600, or BD370? Looks pretty must the same – assuming the booktype is set correctly for the BD-1600. I also make XBox360 backups, which I believe must have DVD-ROM booktype set, so I'd have to remember every time to change the book type for the XB360, or BD9 if I buy was the BD-1600 - pain in the butt, but not exactly the end of the world!

Predominately I think I would be using BD25s. For BD9s I would like to do Full backup, if nothing else than to maintain the chapter positions/menus - or is there a way to do Movie only, and keep chapter positions (ie.e not have it set every 5 mins).

From looking at various posts, Ryu77 has the BD370 (and appears to be loving it), and DK has the BD-1600 (and appears to be loving that now we know about the +R DL Book-type/No AuxData combination). So, I suppose this post may be for them and confirmation of any further limitations on the BD-RB compatibility, or any other in general?

Thanks in advance for all your help/opinions

[DK]

hi chiholam,

i can only speak for the 1600 as i have tested the lg only with 2-3 titles (bd-9 / -rom / all worked).

i was extremely happy with the 1600 after being told to use +r instead of -rom which made all my titles play - UNTIL 3 days ago when the latest 1.02 fw was made available.

after this update i have found 9 of my previously bd-9 copies NOT working anymore!
i have no idea why - will check the structure as best i can (and dont expect too much) and maybe i will run the bd-9 data through latest bd-rebuilder or tsmuxer again and burn some of them to see IF something changes.

all those titles were not made with the very latest version of bd-rb but other titles made at the same time or shortly before or after (it's hard to judge this precisely now) still run.

i have phoned samsung hotline and again they were of no help - i think that maybe downgrading the fw to whatever might exists apart from 1.02 MAY get me back to a fully working 1600.

on the 3600 it is said btw that the latest fw update (came out the same day as the 1.02 for my 1600 and that was the reason why i updated at all) made the player handle -rom (friend of mine said so with his 3600)

this fw update experience in combination with a hotline that cannot and doesnt want to help you out on a matter which might be solved easily by donwgrading the fw leaves me at a point where i must say: no more samsung for me until there support gets WAY better.


all my bd25 copies and original bds do run fine however


++++

btw would anyone know if it is possible to save an existing fw from a samsung player to usb in order to use this fw on another player?

since the support is no help at all i will try to get hold of a fw for the 1600 which is < 1.02

[GaPony]

i was extremely happy with the 1600 after being told to use +r instead of -rom which made all my titles play - UNTIL 3 days ago when the latest 1.02 fw was made available.

after this update i have found 9 of my previously bd-9 copies NOT working anymore!
i have no idea why - will check the structure as best i can (and dont expect too much) and maybe i will run the bd-9 data through latest bd-rebuilder or tsmuxer again and burn some of them to see IF something changes.


The latest firmware for the BD-P1600 is v.1.03 (06/10/2009)

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/support.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_raydiscplayers&model_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P1600&model_cd=BD-P1600/XAA&menu=download

[DK]

The latest firmware for the BD-P1600 is v.1.03 (06/10/2009)

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/support.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_raydiscplayers&model_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P1600&model_cd=BD-P1600/XAA&menu=download

no its not

it's 1.02 OVER HERE (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/support.do?group=homeentertainment&type=blu_rayplayer&subtype=blu_rayplayer&model_nm=BD-P1600&disp_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&model_cd=BD-P1600/XEU&menu=download)

yours is the xaa version i need xef

[chiholam]

Thanks DK - I note in your post that you said that you tried the LG with only 2-3 titles. Did you not like it - was there a reason why you chose the Samsung 1600 instead of the LG BD370?

I suppose the next obvious question is, given the firmware issues that you have now, if you had the choice, would you swap it for the BD370?

Thanks again - apologies if this is a little off-topic, but I am trying to choose between the two based on BD-RB compatibility - they pretty much appear to be the same otherwise (or at least are for the features I care about).

Oddly - and this may be something to note in the first post. For the BD370, on some BD25s, I had to have the Dolby/DTS-HD decoded on the player, instead of on the Amp. It appears that it does not always pass-thru Dolby/DTS-HD on some BD25s. Was a tad concerned that I was getting poorer audio if my Pioneer SC81 wasn't doing the decoding - but did read elsewhere that it didn't matter - phew!

Note - this is related to UK/EUrope version of the machines, although I suppose that the US/EU should more or less be the same (Netflix in US, and not in EU/'delayed' firmware versions aside - I'm assuming that the US v1.03 will eventually be ported to EU!).

[DK]

I tested the LG when i came across the playback failures of bd-9 with -rom booktype - I already had the 1600 at that time and was searching for answers.

Like I said I was more than pleased with the performance of the 1600 (picture quality, response time, ...) until this fw update (at least I dont think it was pure coincidence that from excactly that point in time I have problems) and I'm more than annoyed that a product was released with such weird specs (+r, no -rom) when almost any other player (and player from the same manufacturer as well) do accept the common -rom booktype.

For weeks I was not able to use the player the way I wanted to and now the next issue is a pita.

The 1.03 US fw version may be identical to the 1.02 EU one with simply one additional necessary fw in between.
The 3600 EU fw for example is 1.03 as well iirc.

[Capsbackup]

Sony is very compatible with AVCHD and BD-25. I have only tried DVD-R and DVD+R DL media for AVCHD and have never had a disc not play. I also have never had to use stricter AVCHD compliance for movie only with BD-RB, or delete any files for a disc to play back properly. Never had to change the book type on my burner either, just udf 2.5 with IMGBurn. I have tested several mfg's including Samsung, LG and Panasonic, and Sony was the most compatible.
Even though I am not the biggest Sony fan, for AVCHD/Blu-ray they just work!

[GaPony]

no its not

it's 1.02 OVER HERE (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/support.do?group=homeentertainment&type=blu_rayplayer&subtype=blu_rayplayer&model_nm=BD-P1600&disp_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&model_cd=BD-P1600/XEU&menu=download)

yours is the xaa version i need xef

Ooops! It wasn't clear where you were... maybe you should come over here? :D j/k

[GaPony]

I tested the LG when i came across the playback failures of bd-9 with -rom booktype - I already had the 1600 at that time and was searching for answers.

Like I said I was more than pleased with the performance of the 1600 (picture quality, response time, ...) until this fw update (at least I dont think it was pure coincidence that from excactly that point in time I have problems) and I'm more than annoyed that a product was released with such weird specs (+r, no -rom) when almost any other player (and player from the same manufacturer as well) do accept the common -rom booktype.

For weeks I was not able to use the player the way I wanted to and now the next issue is a pita.

The 1.03 US fw version may be identical to the 1.02 EU one with simply one additional necessary fw in between.
The 3600 EU fw for example is 1.03 as well iirc.

My Sammy BD-P2500 is very finicky for BD9 copies. It plays +R Media set for BD-ROM, but it needs to have the "Strict compliance with AVCHD" set. I had several discs that once played with the certificate & auxdata folders removed, but also needed the meta, jar and bdjo folders removed after a firmware update.

Sony is by far the most compliant brand for BD9 copies.. my PS3 and BDP-S550 play everything on BD9 (movie only) without trouble.

[DK]

I looked at some of those disc that do not play anymore and they were all made with strict settings, that's what leaves me puzzled

[Capsbackup]

I looked at some of those disc that do not play anymore and they were all made with strict settings, that's what leaves me puzzled

You could test those discs that are giving you trouble by bringing them to a local retail store and trying them out on a few different players to see if they play. As GaPony and I have stated, Sony players seem to work well. At least you could rule out bad media.

[DK]

Those discs DID already play fine on the very same player - before the fw update!

And they are all Verbatim DVD-DL media burned with half the max-speed.

[GaPony]

I looked at some of those disc that do not play anymore and they were all made with strict settings, that's what leaves me puzzled

We might be seeing something similar to the difference between the EU and US version of the PS3... maybe not.

You can probably find the earlier fw version for your BD-P1600 out there on the internet someplace. It might take some time searching, but I find there's always someone who makes their download available for others in their little groups.

[turbojet]

There's reports of the latest firmwares (April) for Samsung 1500 and 2500 fixing the issue with AUXDATA and the other empty directories, perhaps they went overboard on this June batch of firmware and require only that format like some other players do. Have you tried adding AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META empty folders?

[DK]

Except for AUXDATA I have added the others and the player still played fine.

So AUXDATA can non be a required folder now.

[GaPony]

I figure if I remove everything, it will play in a wider variety of players without having to comeback later and reburn the disc. I haven't run into a player that failed to play with the AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META folders removed, but I'm sure there's at least one out there someplace.

[turbojet]

Except for AUXDATA I have added the others and the player still played fine.

So AUXDATA can non be a required folder now.

I'm confused weren't you just saying that you can't play DVD's done with strict AVHCD settings with the latest Samsung 1600 firmware?

AUXDATA is known to be a 'key' folder when it comes to samsung's.

I figure if I remove everything, it will play in a wider variety of players without having to comeback later and reburn the disc. I haven't run into a player that failed to play with the AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META folders removed, but I'm sure there's at least one out there someplace.

There's at least 7 players that won't play it. Denon's, Insignia's, Phillips. On the software side PowerDVD won't play DTS/DTSHD/TrueHD from those. Samsung 1600 and 2550 are the only ones that are reported to work only with strict AVCHD settings currently

[DK]

I'm confused weren't you just saying that you can't play DVD's done with strict AVHCD settings with the latest Samsung 1600 firmware?

I hope I did not :rolleyes:

After this firmware update to the latest EU 1.02 version I cannot play certain DVD-DL discs which prviously played fine on my 1600.

Today I tested one disc with strict avchd structure and one with all folders except auxdata present: both run

The weirdest thing, however, is that the third (or rather first disc) was one of those that wont play any more and this disc has certificate present and in the bdmv subfolder only the four directories: backup, clipinf, playlist, stream

an identical structure was burned today and the "copy" works

problem is i cant remember WHAT I did to the data prior to burning with imgburn because i tried and burned so many today.

I.e. I dont know if I fooled around with tsmuxer or maybe even latest bd-rb -this "misbehaviour" is so strange :eek:

[GaPony]

There's at least 7 players that won't play it. Denon's, Insignia's, Phillips. On the software side PowerDVD won't play DTS/DTSHD/TrueHD from those. Samsung 1600 and 2550 are the only ones that are reported to work only with strict AVCHD settings currently

You mean with the exception of Sony players, I presume. I've given a copy of a movie done on BD9, with the "Strict compliance..." setting enabled, to a about 10 different friends for testing and they all said it played. So I'm not sure what's going on. I'll have to get the make/model and firmware revision information from them so I can post the information here. I don't generally keep the HD audio for movie only copies, since I use BD9 for that purpose. I figure if I'm using a BD25 for a particular movie, I might as well just get the whole thing, and then keep the HD audio, if available. :)

I think there are so many versions of PowerDVD out there you really need to cite the specific version when talking about PowerDVD. Personally, I gave up it long ago and went with TMT. I found it irritating and irrational that they would remove the option to get a screenshot of Blu-Ray movies, among other things.

[turbojet]

I hope I did not :rolleyes:

After this firmware update to the latest EU 1.02 version I cannot play certain DVD-DL discs which prviously played fine on my 1600.

Today I tested one disc with strict avchd structure and one with all folders except auxdata present: both run

The weirdest thing, however, is that the third (or rather first disc) was one of those that wont play any more and this disc has certificate present and in the bdmv subfolder only the four directories: backup, clipinf, playlist, stream

an identical structure was burned today and the "copy" works

problem is i cant remember WHAT I did to the data prior to burning with imgburn because i tried and burned so many today.

I.e. I dont know if I fooled around with tsmuxer or maybe even latest bd-rb -this "misbehaviour" is so strange :eek:

Oh I see, can you check with all the folders including the AUXDATA next time and report back if it works or not?

You mean with the exception of Sony players, I presume. I've given a copy of a movie done on BD9, with the "Strict compliance..." setting enabled, to a about 10 different friends for testing and they all said it played. So I'm not sure what's going on. I'll have to get the make/model and firmware revision information from them so I can post the information here. I don't generally keep the HD audio for movie only copies, since I use BD9 for that purpose. I figure if I'm using a BD25 for a particular movie, I might as well just get the whole thing, and then keep the HD audio, if available. :)

Also LG's, Pioneers and some not so common brands have been tested/reported, database here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146339)

I think there are so many versions of PowerDVD out there you really need to cite the specific version when talking about PowerDVD. Personally, I gave up it long ago and went with TMT. I found it irritating and irrational that they would remove the option to get a screenshot of Blu-Ray movies, among other things.

All the latest 7.3 and 8 patches for the past 6 months or so and all v9 builds

[drmih]

After singing the praises of the Sony 550 for many months (and it's a great machine) today I got a LG BD370 as I had heard good reports about its mkv capability.

It's a great piece of kit and I can confirm that it plays full disc backups on bd-5 / bd-9 / bd-25. It also has no problem with avchd movie only discs or ones with menus. I have tried a selection of avis and mkv discs and all were fine. high res mkvs were no problem on either dvd-5 or dvd-9. It has the capability to also play from a USB stick / USB HDD - I haven't tried one yet but believe it has to be formatted in FAT or FAT32 which would limit the individual file size to 4 GB. It is also network enabled to provide updates (which seem to have been reasonably frequent) and access to You Tube. Obvioulsy does all of the audio and photo stuff.

Mine came out of the box multi region dvd (it's simple to do if it's set) but it's locked for Blu-Ray.

It was just over £140 in the UK which I think is great for the mkv ability alone.

[GaPony]

So now the Sony BDP-S550 is an orphan??? :o

It is a very cruel world out there... :)

[drmih]

Not quite - they are very happy as twins side by side. The LG doesn't have the audio output capabilities and was really bought to play mkvs and avis - the blu-ray capabilities were just a nice addition which I wasn't expecting.

Interestingly (or not!!) the bd-9 discs I did for the Sony which had the PiP / audio issue are rejected by the LG. This suggests that the file structure maybe wrong rather than the Sony being temperamental.

[drmih]

Just had a disc which the LG rejects but the Sony plays. I'll try and find some more and see if there's anything in common.

**I've now tried about 30 bd-9 full discs (which work on the Sony) and I'm getting 2:1 playing on the LG. I now will see if I can see what is the difference as I do think that it's something not quite right / or a feature on the discs rather than the player.

[GaPony]

That's the problem with Blu-Ray players. There's no way of knowing what copy will play on what player unless you come here.

In the DVD world, some players may be a little more finicky than others, but they all play anything you throw at them.

It makes the work of FuriousFlea that much more valuable. Maybe we should extend the compatibility thread to more detailed information on full copies for BD5, BD9, and BD25... :)

[drmih]

OK - of all the discs I've checked it seems to be the CERTIFICATE folder. For those with files in the top level (different numbers of files on different discs) 100% don't work. For those with no files in the top directory of CERTIFICATE 100% work. I don't know wht happens if I delete them and they should be there but I will retest.

[GaPony]

It would certainly be worth a few bucks to test your theory. Its too bad there aren't any DL RW discs around... at least I've never seen any.

[drmih]

DO you know what the files in the CERTIFICATE folder do if present?

**I took a disc with files in the CERTIFICATE and didn't include it on the disc. This was rejected by the LG and the SONY also wouldn't play it - just hung. On a PC with TMT3 the one with CERTIFICATE file gave the option to go online, whereas the one without didn't. However, both played. Unless someone knows what the files are doing I think I need to produce a full disc bd-5 to play with to save discs.
**I've also tried removing the CERTIFICATE files as well as the BMDO and JAR ones but they're obviously needed so it may not be possible or require better ripping of the disc in the first place.

[setarip_old]

@drmih

Hi!

Have you tried replacing the "CERTIFICATE" folder with a new "CERTIFICATE" folder containing ONLY an empty sub-folder named "BACKUP"?

[drmih]

Yes. The issue doesn't seem to be the existance or not of the folder but whether they are BD+ - the LG will play discs with and without a CERTIFICATE folder. I must admit I don't know as much about blu-ray encryption as I should but I think that the signature files within CERTIFICATE are utilised by the BDJO and JAR to play the disc. If I leave CERTIFICATE empty, and / or if I remove the BDJO and JAR ones then the discs doesn't play. The SONY doesn't seem to mind them, although it also hangs on the disc if the CERTIFICATE etc files are messed about with.

A pc with tmt3 will also play the disc without the contents of CERTIFICATE being present (if the files are there TMT3 gives a message 'This disc has no valid online certification. Do you allow it to access internet?'). My (uneducated) guess is that in being ripped the security doesn't quite match up and the LG spots this - it rejects the disc very quickly. This may also be why other standalones are a bit hit and miss.

If anyone can offer more knowledge of what is happening I'd be facinated to hear.

**Actually this may be a red-herring as a disc encoded to a bd-25 with the CERTIFICATE files does work fine.

[setarip_old]

@drmih

Just for the sake of clarity, I said:Have you tried replacing the "CERTIFICATE" folder with a new "CERTIFICATE" folder containing ONLY an empty sub-folder named "BACKUP"?You said:If I leave CERTIFICATE emptyIs your folder truly empty or, does it contain an empty "BACKUP" sub-folder)?

[drmih]

Yes. As I said it will play with and without a CERTIFICATE folder (including one with a BACKUP sub-directory) - I think that that's a red herring and in fact it's the prescence of the BDJO and JAR files that it's getting confused with on dvd media.

[GaPony]

@drmih

Are you making "Movie Only" copies or "Full Movie" copies?

Are you copying to BD5, BD9, or BD25.

The type of copy made and the type of media used, makes in huge difference in the best way to go about making the copy.

[drmih]

This is an issue of the compatibility of the standalone. Like yourself I've been around here from the beginning of bd-rb and have done hundreds of backups. This is to do with the LG BD370 I have just got and the problem it has playing bd+ full disc backups to bd-9 (I never bother with bd-5).

[jdobbs]

DO you know what the files in the CERTIFICATE folder do if present?

**I took a disc with files in the CERTIFICATE and didn't include it on the disc. This was rejected by the LG and the SONY also wouldn't play it - just hung. On a PC with TMT3 the one with CERTIFICATE file gave the option to go online, whereas the one without didn't. However, both played. Unless someone knows what the files are doing I think I need to produce a full disc bd-5 to play with to save discs.
**I've also tried removing the CERTIFICATE files as well as the BMDO and JAR ones but they're obviously needed so it may not be possible or require better ripping of the disc in the first place. The CERTIFICATE folder includes files for BD-J application authentication (BACKUP is just a repeat of the same files). I'd assume AnyDVD does some magic with these files -- but I haven't paid much attention to them

[GaPony]

This is an issue of the compatibility of the standalone. Like yourself I've been around here from the beginning of bd-rb and have done hundreds of backups. This is to do with the LG BD370 I have just got and the problem it has playing bd+ full disc backups to bd-9 (I never bother with bd-5).

Unfortunately, there are several players, most in fact, that won't play "Full Movie" copies on BD5 or BD9 media. They don't seem to recognize the BD structure on anything but BD25 discs. This isn't the fault of BD-Rebuilder... its the player.

You're pretty much limited to a "Full Movie" backup onto BD25 or A "Movie Only" onto BD5 and BD9 media. You may additionally need to use the "Strict Compliance with AVCHD" option.

[Capsbackup]

@jdobbs;
Just curious if you have tried some of the older backups you have made several months back with your new Sony BDP-S360, and if they play just as well as they did on your older S301 player. In particular would be the full movie backups to BD-5 and BD-9 media. I remember discussions at BD-RB's beginning where you had success with full movie backups on BD media, so I am curious if the new player is playing those same discs with the same success.

[drmih]

Unfortunately, there are several players, most in fact, that won't play "Full Movie" copies on BD5 or BD9 media. They don't seem to recognize the BD structure on anything but BD25 discs. This isn't the fault of BD-Rebuilder... its the player.

You're pretty much limited to a "Full Movie" backup onto BD25 or A "Movie Only" onto BD5 and BD9 media. You may additionally need to use the "Strict Compliance with AVCHD" option.

You're not reading the posts fully. I know the issues but this player does play full disc backups on bd-5 and bd-9 as long as they don't call up bd-j files. I've just done Romansing the Stone and that only had one file in CERTIFICATE and one in each of BDJO and JAR but it still wouldn't play it. As it does handle them on bd-25 it's a known limitation but something I wondered if I could tweak to get it working.

[GaPony]

I'll have to take your word for it. Even the top post of this thread lists it as compatible with "Movie Only" copies on BD9/BD5 discs. I'm not sure where Furiousflea got the input. I'm not sure how tweaking the structure can overcome the limitations of the device itself, but I'm among those who would love to see you come up with something.

Have you tried Deank's little GO-BD utility?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs;
Just curious if you have tried some of the older backups you have made several months back with your new Sony BDP-S360, and if they play just as well as they did on your older S301 player. In particular would be the full movie backups to BD-5 and BD-9 media. I remember discussions at BD-RB's beginning where you had success with full movie backups on BD media, so I am curious if the new player is playing those same discs with the same success. All my discs that I've tried have worked. BD-5/9 Movie-Only and Full-Disc backups -- and of course BD-25. In fact there is a setting on the 360 that asks how it should treat "hybrid discs" on DVD -- as DVD or BD. I haven't read the manual yet (I'm a true engineer :)), but I assume that is what it is there for. The 360 is also much faster at loading. I really got tired of watching the little loading wheel go-round on my 301.

I'm really happy with this player. When it comes to BD backups (especially BD-5/9) Sony is so far ahead of the pack that the others don't even know they're behind. It's definitely worth the extra $20 or so you pay for the Sony.

[Capsbackup]

I'm really happy with this player. When it comes to BD backups (especially BD-5/9) Sony is so far ahead of the pack that the others don't even know they're behind. It's definitely worth the extra $20 or so you pay for the Sony.
I do agree, Sony has got it right for Blu-Ray/AVCHD players. I am pleased with my BX1. I like their HD camcorders too, which is what brought me into HD backups on DVD media. The bonus for me came when you created BD-RB, because I had already had success with my camcorder backups to AVCHD, so BD backups became a simple reality.
Hopefully, other MFG's will catch on, since this would also help simplify your efforts on development of BD-RB.

[Wolfe999]

Hi again :)

Sorry if it's around here and I just passed it buy without noticing it.

I've seen a Sony BDP - S350 for 169€ and consider it a nice price and was thinking of buying it. I always do MovieOnly encodes with stricter AVCHD ticked. Will it be compatible with my BD 5/9 (almost always verbatim). As soon as you tell me something, I think I will order it immediately.

Thank you ;D

[GaPony]

It should work just fine for all your movie only discs, but the current model is the BDP-S360 (which is what jdobbs tests with)... if that makes any difference to you.

[drmih]

All of the recent Sonys have been tested extensively and shown to be fine. The 350 / 550 play full backups and avchd great.

[Wolfe999]

It should work just fine for all your movie only discs, but the current model is the BDP-S360 (which is what jdobbs tests with)... if that makes any difference to you. The difference is that the only one they had on sale is the S-350, and were selling only another Sony, the 550 (don't remember exactly the number), but at 230€, and for now, being my first blu-ray, I want to try a good and cheap one (though I've seen that the 350 comes with some good things) :) God, I'm almost without money: first the new PC, then (some days ago) a 27" Full-HD monitor, and now the BluRay... my wife will throw me out of the house and keep all the things to herself :-D

All of the recent Sonys have been tested extensively and shown to be fine. The 350 / 550 play full backups and avchd great. Thank you very much for this info.

To both of you thank you very much for the input... I've just ordered it and made the money transfer, so I hope to get it in 3/4 days.
Your info was not wasted on me.
Best regards :)

[GaPony]

The main (and probably only) difference between the S350 and the S550 is the S550 has support for 7.1 analog.

[DrKajun]

LG BD300 Blu-Ray Player:
DVD9 (Movie Only) - Tested Good on RiData
DVD9 (BD-J Movie) - Failed on RiData
BD-R (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData
BD-R RW (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData


Update:
DVD5/DVD9 (Full BD-J) - Tested on RiData
! Set AnyDVD to Remove Region Code and force Region A
! Delete AUXDATA folder before burning

[drmih]

Update:
DVD5/DVD9 (Full BD-J) - Tested on RiData
! Set AnyDVD to Remove Region Code and force Region A
! Delete AUXDATA folder before burning

Obviously this wouldn't work for Region B but I will try repeating with my BD370. Am I correct in assuming that you are saying that you need to ensure that a region code is set to match the player rather than leave it blank?

I think it may be the AUXDATA that is the key as I haven't tried that myself.

**I've tried burning a disc with bd-j but without the AUXDATA folder but it makes no difference. Can you confirm on the disc that you got to work that there were files in the CERTIFICATE folder?

[IlPorcospino]

I've tried with the following movies.

1. Movie: “Seven Pounds”
- Input BD size: 30,42 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:03:05.419]
- Target BD size: 7,72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- RESIZE 1080p to 720p enabled

2, Movie: “Quantum of solace”
- Input BD size: 28,29 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:46:14.368]
- Target BD size: 7,72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled

For both the movies it was indicated:
DVD-R AVCHD
Dolby Digital 48 KHz 5.1 channel

Satisfactory :p

[Imperial Zeppelin]

BD-5 RiData: Good
BD-9 Verbatim: Good
BD-25 RiData: Good

Key take home here though is BD-25 compatibility is probably burner or software related...

1. Manual and other documentation says this player cannot play BD-Rs.

2. A friend did a direct backup for me of some IMAX 25 GB discs via AnyDVDHD and Nero onto RiData BD-25s using his Dell BD burner. These DO NOT play in this player, but play on my computer's LG Blu-Ray player, so I thought the documentation was correct.

3. Any BD-25s I make with AnyDVDHD, BD Rebuilder and IMGBURN play fine in this player!! I didn't know this until the other day when I said, "Oh WTH, let me throw one in and try it!"

[a1677c]

I have a question about the Samsung BD-P3600 at the top of this thread it states that one “must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory.”

Removing the AUXDATA folder is simple enough but could someone tell me how I should then burn it properly?

By the way this only for an AVCHD container.

Thanks,
Will

[DK]

make sure to have an avchd compatible structure like this:

- bmdv
-- backup
-- clipinf
-- playlist
-- stream
index.bdmv
movieobject.bdmv

++++
according to a friend of mine his 3600 now even accepts auxdata present after a fw update but you better have it removed

[Furiousflea]

Google to see if your particular DVD writer burns double layer discs with a "DVD-ROM" booktype first. It's quite likely it does already...If not you can set it in ImgBurn for most writers that support it. (http://www.imgburn.com)

(Tools->Drive->Change Booktype) ;)

[DK]

-rom never worked for a Samsung 1600 so chances are a 3600 will have problems with -rom as well.

+R works fine

[a1677c]

Sony isnt listed under this tab (BDRW BWU-100A) however even if it were it makes no mention of DVD-R media only DVD+R. The Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R.

[a1677c]

I can report back and state that the Samsung BD-P3600 will not play AVCHD’s. I’ve tried every scenario; removed auxdata folder, tried different brands of media including Verbatum on DVD-R 5 & 9, burned with & without CERTIFICATE folder, made sure it was 100% AVCHD compliant and had the latest firmware 1.03.

Every one of these discs has played on the Sony BDP 300 & Sony PS3 without fail.

So at this point I’d say the Samsung BD-P3600 isn’t AVCHD compatible.

[GaPony]

According to the Samsung documentation, the BD-P3600 plays all standard formats to include AVCHD... it also handles all common formats of media.

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2009/05/16/bd_p3600axaa/BD-P3600_spec.pdf

[setarip_old]

@a1677c

Hi!

I’ve tried every scenario...If you're using DVD+Rs, did you try making sure that the booktype was NOT changed to "DVD-ROM"?

[Furiousflea]

Sony isnt listed under this tab (BDRW BWU-100A) however even if it were it makes no mention of DVD-R media only DVD+R. The Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R.

You can't change the booktype of DVD-R....only +R

[DK]

The Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R.

That's incorrect.

My friend's 3600 accepts +R but did NOT accept -rom (maybe FW updates have changed this behaviour).

And of course that 3600 DID play avchd.

[a1677c]

As I have stated the Samsung BD-P3600 only accepts DVD-R media & that is what I am using. It states this in the manual http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/305/305BD3600.PDF Everyone keeps telling me to change the booktype when there is no way to do so with DVD-R media. However I originally tried DVD+R media this caused the player to lock up & a reset was required to eject. With the DVD-R it doesn’t lock up but stays in “loading” mode but of course does not load.

Unless someone has this same player & can tell me their steps verbatim with making a AVCHD then for now I’ll have to say the player is not AVCHD compatible. Possibly the latest firmware has messed things up for AVCHD. http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_rayplayers&model_nm=BD-P3600A&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P3600&model_cd=&menu=download

Have gotten many reports back on the Samsung BD-P1500 but no one seems to have the BD-P3600.

[DK]

then for now I’ll have to say the player is not AVCHD compatible

Wrong

The player IS more than fine - you don't seem to have done it right.

I have tested multiple BD-RB avchds burned with imgburn to verbatim and other +R DL media with +R booktype: they all run fine

[a1677c]

No it was done right.

I'm putting the AVCHD's on DVD not BD.

The player works fine just won't play AVCHD & if your AVCHD's played fine prior to the update well that is fine; but there is no way to roll it back.

[DK]

did you make sure to delete auxdata?

what settings DID you use with which version?

[a1677c]

As I have previously stated “I’ve tried every scenario; removed auxdata folder, tried different brands of media including Verbatum on DVD-R 5 & 9, burned with & without CERTIFICATE folder, made sure it was 100% AVCHD compliant and had the latest firmware 1.03.”

I’ve used Ripbot, AVCHDCoder & lastly Multiavchd using strict AVCHD compliance.
Tested & all worked a on Sony BDP 300, PS3 and Sony BWU-100A.

[GaPony]

I'll take your word that its not compatible...

Now that issue has been resolved, what are you going to do about it?

You can start using BD-R or BD-RE media or you can return the unit to the place of purchase and get something that is compatible.

In any case, complaining of a compatibility issue isn't getting you anyplace.

[Furiousflea]

Just wanted to apologise for not bothering to update the OP for god knows how long. Didn't really see the point since turbojet, or was it laserfan has made a far more detailed and legible thread over in the HD-DVD\Bluray forum.

[a1677c]

I agree GAPony & my last post on the matter was going to be the above #303. DK asked a question and I responded.

It isn't my unit otherwise I would have. Unfortunately his Canon AVCHD cam & a $360 Blu-ray player turned out to be a bad combo.

AVCHD content on a BD isn’t AVCHD compliant http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html

At any rake DK’s results were prior to the firmware update.

[DK]

At any rake DK’s results were prior to the firmware update.

No they were not.
They were after latest FW for Europe was released and flashed to the player tested.

It did work before and after with DVD-DL media and +R booktype and of course no auxdata folder.

++++

At first you talked about AVCHD and -R & +R media.

Now you mention avchd burned to BD???

[a1677c]

You never mentioned what firmware update you are using? You also stated this “My friend's 3600 accepts +R but did NOT accept -rom (maybe FW updates have changed this behaviour).” So I would have gathered from that your test were prior to the update?

Either way you are in Europe PAL & I’m in the US NTSC which of course may make your firmware completely different.

Obviously the BD comment was for GAPony. My friend purchased the Canon Vixia HF100 specifically to burn the AVCHD content onto DVD-5/9 which is what ACHD is designed to do. He asked me to transfer the video to DVD-5/9 which I have done.

This probably isn’t the right thread for AVCHD anyway as I realize it is specifically for a List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output). But I was directed to this thread because of the AVCHD discussions.

“more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated” I will report that my 3 year old Sony BDP300 has played all AVCHD’s made with 3 different programs both with 100% AVCHD compliance & even those that aren’t AVCHD compliant such as with DTS sound.

[DK]

Maybe your posting should actually be moved and title: i need help with ....

From all those comments of yours (you dont want me to comment on the silly pal/ntsc remark which has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about here in blu-ray land!) it may well be your device is not working properly or you dont do it the right way.

Either way the 3600 DOES play avchd fine.

[a1677c]

What firmware are you using?

So are you telling me those players sold in Europe & those sold in the USA use the same firmware updates? And it does not play AVCHD just fine.

[DK]

I said latest EU FW (and that's 1.03 just in case you dont know where to get informed) and I definitely did NOT talk about BD but DVD-DL media instead.

[a1677c]

Ok I misread when I quickly perused through & the other guy saying to put AVCHD on BD. Sorry about that I corrected my abovementioned comment.

You say “I have tested multiple BD-RB avchds burned with imgburn to verbatim and other +R DL media” however this is not an avchd but blu- ray structure on a dvd. Correct?

I know firmware can vary there is at least one model out there that has different firmware for units sold in Canada vs. the USA.

Although you say you have had success with +R. This was my experience using Verbatim & Memorex +R media it caused his player to lock up. The DVD-R media didn’t cause lock up but never loaded so the +R media is too risky & again it states only -R media.

I have some DVD-R DL Verbatim that I have ordered found a 3 pack but very expensive. The only other brand I could find for DVD-R DL was Ridata which I have & tried.

I will retry once I get the Verbatim DVD-R DL and report back.

[deank]

Since you already know that all of your discs work with Sony equipment (your players and PS3 that you mentioned) I'd suggest you to find a way to test the same disc in Panasonic or JVC equipment. If it works there - just don't waste your time anymore, unless this friend of yours is a really-really good friend. :)

[cwl7454]

@a1677c

At one time my dvd players that I had would only play -R DL, since then I have upgraded to a oppo and a helios which plays everything. I prefer -R for media burning over +R for both regular dvd and double layer/dual layer.
Had to go on line but Phillips makes -R DL which is what I use, generally buy them 25pk as haven't seen them in 50 or 100 pack.

[DK]

You say “I have tested multiple BD-RB avchds burned with imgburn to verbatim and other +R DL media” however this is not an avchd but blu- ray structure on a dvd. Correct?


It was what BD Rebuilder outputs as "stricter AVCHD compliance for for movie only"

I'm using nothing but +R media and have learnt the hard way that my 1600 and the 3600 of my friend only accepted +R as booktype but NOT -rom

with the EU 3600 this MAY have changed with latest firmware but not for the EU 1600

what burn speed have you used for the +R medie you say caused lock-ups?

i usually use half the max speed burning with imgburn

[GaPony]

I'm using nothing but +R media and have learnt the hard way that my 1600 and the 3600 of my friend only accepted +R as booktype but NOT -rom


To clarify... you mean DVD +R not booktyped to DVD-ROM was working... yes?

[DK]

DVD-DL +R media (never wanted a BD5) with a booktypesetting to -ROM DID not work for the Samsung 1600 and 3600 as opposed to 1500, 2500 and 4610 (the latter did accept -ROM as booktype setting).

This was my very problem in the early days i had my new 1600: i used to burn my +R media with -ROM booktype and it did NOT work.
Trying for days and using different structures finally someone here in this forum hinted me at the booktype setting and that was precisely the problem: +R works

Another thing i found out after upgrading the firmware for my 1600 (i still regret having done so!): some media which played fine with the original and first FW did not play any longer - but only a few of those disks i had burned (same way, same media, same bd-rb settings as other media that still did play).

I then used tsmuxer to write the main movie (made movie only not full movie backups) AGAIN to avchd structure and guess what: they worked fine after that.

[a1677c]

Regarding the Samsung BD-P3600 I finally got it to work with AVCHD’s. (This came about by accident after playing a Blu-Ray disc.)When one puts a Blu-Ray disc in first then one plays an AVCHD all AVCHD’s discs will play on DVD-R 5/9 until the unit is turned off. Once the unit is turned off a Blu-Ray disc must be played for a second or two before playing a AVCHD again.

Interestingly on the Samsung BD-P3600 when the remote info button is pressed while playing an AVCHD it shows it as a DVD on the on-screen display & does not show video size, bitrate or audio info.

Tried playing a DVD+R AVCHD disc again once the abovementioned scenario had been done. This time it didn’t cause the player to lock up but immediately ejected the disc.

Regarding the booktype I did try to manually make the image in Imgburn & my Sony BDRW BWU-100A wasn’t listed in the booktype settings unless it’s actually made by a different manufacturer. While Verbatim DVD-R DL isn’t affordable at $11.99 per 3 the Ridata DVD-DL 25 pack are the same price as the Verbatim DVD+R DL media (which I usually buy). While I’m not a big fan of Ridata those DVD-R DL seemed to play as well as the Verbatim DVD-R DL so I guess my dilemma is solved. Just wished the Samsung BD-P3600 was AVCHD and DVD+R friendly.

[setarip_old]

@a1677cSo I’d have to say like the manual states it will only play DVD-R media.


http://reviews.cnet.com/blu-ray-players-recorders/samsung-bd-p3600/4507-9991_7-33488065.html?tag=mncol;psum

Samsung BD-P3600
More on this product
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.Manufacturer: Samsung.Part Number:BD-P3600..General
Product Type Blu-Ray disc player .Form Factor Tabletop .Width 17.3 in .Depth 9.8 in .Height 2.2 in .Weight 5.3 lbs .DVD
Media Type CD , DVD , BD-R , CD-R , BD-RE , CD-RW , DVD+R , DVD-R , BD-ROM , DVD+RW , DVD-RW
======================================================================================

==================================================================================================


http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2009/03/14/bd_p3600xaa/BD-P3600_spec.pdf
Full multi format DVD playback:
BD-ROM, BD-RE, BD-R, DVD-ROM, DVD-R
(V mode only), DVD-RW (V mode only),
DVD+R (V mode only) DVD+RW (V mode
only)

[GaPony]

If you could return it, I would. It seems too much trouble for what you're wanting to do... copying onto BD9.

[a1677c]

If you could return it, I would. It seems too much trouble for what you're wanting to do... copying onto BD9.

If it was my player it would have since been returned & I’ve suggested it to my friend; but he likes the way it quickly plays Bd’s & DVD’s so doesn’t look like he’ll return it. At least now he can get to watch his AVCHD home movies from the player even if one has to perform this silly trick to do it.

I will try & use a menu on one AVCHD to see if it then will initialize from an off position. If of course it will accept the menu? Additionally at what bitrate should I opt to go to 720p versus 1080p? Any recommendation on this would be appreciated.

[GaPony]

The AVCHD in BD Rebuilder would imply that no menu support is present. BD-Rebuilder will compute the highest possible bitrate for the available space on the destination (BD5/BD9/BD25)... or at least thats my understanding. I've never used the 720p setting, so can't be alot of help to that specific question. In my mind it seems to make sense to leave everything at 1080p, as it would be downconverted by the HDTV/SAP if necessary and be available for 1080 HDTVs when available.

[SLOVEHEART]

I tried to encode a BD25 to DVD( and my Panasonic BD80K would not play it saying it was an unsupported disk. Someone said I should try to use 'stricter AVCHD complience for movie only' box. I am wondering if this means I would only beable to do movie only backup encodes - I assume the answer is yes. Also I am wondering about the booktype, right now I have my burners set to DVD-ROM as default; it seems as though people say one should use dvd+R or dvd+r dl booktypes instead - if someone could verify this for me I would appreciate it. In addition I have read something to do with the CERTIFICATE folder when using AVCHD encodes, again, if someone could explain what might need to be done to deal with these issues, I would really appreciate it.

thanks:thanks:

[SLOVEHEART]

[COLOR="Red"]more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated

I just got a sony bdp-s360 and it plays bd rebuilder full backup encodes to bd9 (dvd9) perfectly, it lists the file system as avchd, and it will play a dvd-rom or dvd+r dl disc - both work, also the discs I encoded to test the player out (ocean's twelve, ocean's thirteen region a decryted w/ anydvdhd 6.5.8.6 and 7) will play with video output set at 1080p / 24p setting on!!!

hope this helps some soul...

[Wombler]

I just got a sony bdp-s360 and it plays bd rebuilder full backup encodes to bd9 (dvd9) perfectly, it lists the file system as avchd, and it will play a dvd-rom or dvd+r dl disc - both work, also the discs I encoded to test the player out (ocean's twelve, ocean's thirteen region a decryted w/ anydvdhd 6.5.8.6 and 7) will play with video output set at 1080p / 24p setting on!!!

hope this helps some soul...

Excellent!

Thanks for that info Sloveheart as that's one of the models I'm currently considering.


Wombler

[jdobbs]

Excellent!

Thanks for that info Sloveheart as that's one of the models I'm currently considering.


WomblerThat's the model I have also. You can get it for slightly over $200 now, it was almost $300 a couple of months ago. It seems to work with everything.

[JJB]

That's the model I have also. You can get it for slightly over $200 now, it was almost $300 a couple of months ago. It seems to work with everything.

It's $174.77 and free shipping from Amazon today.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-S360-1080p-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B001URWAYG

[GaPony]

Wow! They must be making room for the new models coming out later this month... Sony seems to be taking this Blu-Ray thing pretty seriously. :)

[Capsbackup]

Wow! They must be making room for the new models coming out later this month... Sony seems to be taking this Blu-Ray thing pretty seriously. :)

Lower the price, sell more units. Same with the PS3.
Maybe they have been reading the Doom9 forum, since they get plenty of positive feedback here. :p

[Wombler]

That's the model I have also. You can get it for slightly over $200 now, it was almost $300 a couple of months ago. It seems to work with everything.

Oh excellent.

I guess if you have one yourself then it's guaranteed to work with BD-Rebuilder. :)

It's now down to £149 on this side of the pond so I think I'll take the plunge soon.


Wombler

[jdobbs]

Oh excellent.

I guess if you have one yourself then it's guaranteed to work with BD-Rebuilder. :)

It's now down to £149 on this side of the pond so I think I'll take the plunge soon.


Wombler Well, one thing is for sure -- if something doesn't work on that model -- you can pretty much count on a quick-fix. :p My priorities start with me. :)

[SLOVEHEART]

Well, one thing is for sure -- if something doesn't work on that model -- you can pretty much count on a quick-fix. :p My priorities start with me. :)

By quick fix - you mean fw updates?

I read a post by BigOrange in afterdawn.com where he says that he had a player, and updated the fw and then it wouldn't play BD Rebuilder discs anymore, or it is hit and miss - his advice, if nothings broke - stay away from fw updates...what does everyone else think about this?

[setarip_old]

@SLOVEHEART

Hi!

I've read at other forums that firmware updates for PS3s have had the habit of either freezing drives or making them non-functioning - requiring replacement...

[jdobbs]

It's all in the reliability of the system and the manufacturer. I do firmware update to my Sony devices as soon as they are released and I've never had an issue.

[JJB]

Just did a fw update on a Samsung P3600 that was supposed to stream Netflix and Pandora. After the up date it added Blockbuster and Youtube streams. FW updates are necessary and all worked wireless. Cool.

[GaPony]

@SLOVEHEART

Hi!

I've read at other forums that firmware updates for PS3s have had the habit of either freezing drives or making them non-functioning - requiring replacement...

I've never even heard of that happening... That's not to say its an idiot proof operation.

I always update firmware as soon as I know about an update being available and have read up on what it changes. The only exception is taking the PS3 to 3.x... I need to find out a little more about that one.

[SLOVEHEART]

I've never even heard of that happening... That's not to say its an idiot proof operation.

I always update firmware as soon as I know about an update being available and have read up on what it changes. The only exception is taking the PS3 to 3.x... I need to find out a little more about that one.

Just did a fw update on a Samsung P3600 that was supposed to stream Netflix and Pandora. After the up date it added Blockbuster and Youtube streams. FW updates are necessary and all worked wireless. Cool.

It's all in the reliability of the system and the manufacturer. I do firmware update to my Sony devices as soon as they are released and I've never had an issue.


I wasn't saying that the fw update proceedure could go wrong, rather the fw update possibly could change the players ability to play BD Rebuilder full backup disks.

I guess it probably won't change the playability of bd rebuilder full backups - my sony came w/ fw ver. 002 now it is at version 006, i would like to do the update - I just read how this fellow said the playability of bd rebulder discs changed on him - I don't know what player he was refering to - I believe it was a first generation Sylvania...

also for those thinking about the sony bdp-s360, for BD live you will need a usb flash device to connect out of the back of the player to store the Bd live info, this could be a hassle somewhat, I never use BD live, and when I make my Backups w/ AnydvdHD I alway disable BD live. FYI

[GaPony]

We keep getting back to the point that was the genesis for this thread... All Blu-Ray players are not created (or supported) equally. People who use BD-Rebuilder, should read this thread carefully before buying a new Blu-Ray player. It doesn't have to influence your purchase, but you'll have a good idea of its suitability for playing the various flavors of BD-Rebuilder copies. People who only play original discs, don't need to worry about it... and probably don't hang around here anyway. :)

[dragonknight]

@DK

are you saying that the samsung bdp 1500 will play full bd9 disc or just movie only bd9 disc?

[GaPony]

According to the first post of this thread... the BD-P1500 should play a full copy on a BD9 disc, provided you remove the BDMV\AUXDATA folder prior to burning. I'm not sure how many people have verified it, but it certainly had some discussion early on.

If you have different results, I'm sure others would like to know that too.

[dragonknight]

According to the first post of this thread... the BD-P1500 should play a full copy on a BD9 disc, provided you remove the BDMV\AUXDATA folder prior to burning. I'm not sure how many people have verified it, but it certainly had some discussion early on.

If you have different results, I'm sure others would like to know that too.

ok thanks i will that a go and see what happens.

[DK]

I never tried FULL disc BD-9 on a 1500 so i cant judge.

Movie only worked fine.

[dragonknight]

I never tried FULL disc BD-9 on a 1500 so i cant judge.

Movie only worked fine.

ok thanks and i could only get the movie only to work on it so i guess it doesn't play full bd9 disc.

[jdobbs]

ok thanks and i could only get the movie only to work on it so i guess it doesn't play full bd9 disc. I bought a SAMSUNG a few months ago... then took it back and bought a Sony. Why reward them with a purchase when they won't play what I want?

[dragonknight]

I bought a SAMSUNG a few months ago... then took it back and bought a Sony. Why reward them with a purchase when they won't play what I want?


If i could take it back then i would but its now way pass the return date. so i am stuck with it. i just gotten into the BD backup thing a couple of months ago and that when i found that it couldn't play them. i just got the sony bdp s360 so i now have that as well.

[GaPony]

I never could get my Samsung BD-P2500 to work right with full copies to BD9, but it works fine for full copies to BD25 and Movie Only copies to BD9 if I remove the AUXDATA folder or check the block for "Strict compliance with AVCHD". My guess is that the firmwares are similar between the different models.

[jdobbs]

BD-25 copies should work on any Blu-Ray standalone player. If it doesn't then either BD-RB or the player has an issue.

[SLOVEHEART]

This player works great w/ Bd Rebuilder, it was discussed here recently, now it is on sale for $152.99 w/coupon code, I have no idea how long it will last (coupon =$30 off)

see post in CD Freaks:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/f58/sony-bdp-s360-blu-ray-player-152-99-w-coupon-dell-get-now-302073/#post2447538

This is the cheapest retail I can find - or take a chance at EBay...

[SLOVEHEART]

Just for the record, even though this was stated by J.Dobbs (THE creator of the Rebuilders) - I just updates my Sony BDP-S360 from version 002 to version 006, the picture quality improved and there has been no difference in playability of BD-Rebuilder encodes to BD25 or to DVD9 full backup or movie only. I'm so happy to have a player that works so well after trying to get a Panasonic BD80 to play BD Rebuilder full backups w/ no luck, the strict AVCHD movie only will work.:D

[micha019]

Hello,

anybody tested fully disc support bdx written on dvd media on Philips BDP 7500 SL yet?

[jdobbs]

By quick fix - you mean fw updates?

I read a post by BigOrange in afterdawn.com where he says that he had a player, and updated the fw and then it wouldn't play BD Rebuilder discs anymore, or it is hit and miss - his advice, if nothings broke - stay away from fw updates...what does everyone else think about this? No. By "quick fix" I meant changes/fixes to BD-RB.

[micha019]

Full Backups burned on dvd9 works on:
Sony S360 with fw:007

Full Backups not working burned on DVD9 (BUT ON BD-RE):
Philips BDP 7500
LG BD 370

[Category 5]

Anyone know what's up with PS3 lately. Some of my discs that used to play don't anymore, yet they play perfectly on the BDP-S360

Sony botched something up in the last firmware update

[GaPony]

I saw a similar post a few days ago and went back to check some of my older copies... they all play fine with the PS3 3.01 firmware on both my 80gb Fat model and my new Slim. These are all Movie Only AVCHD copies onto BD9.

I didn't bother to check my Full Movie copies onto BD25, as they should play anyway...

[setarip_old]

See my post at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1332240&postcount=5492

Problems reported regarding the upgrades appear to be INCONSISTENT - and affecting only SOME PS3s, with no determined pattern...

[Category 5]

See my post at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1332240&postcount=5492

Problems reported regarding the upgrades appear to be INCONSISTENT - and affecting only SOME PS3s, with no determined pattern...

Weird. Mine show up as DATA DVD now

[GaPony]

See my post at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1332240&postcount=5492

Problems reported regarding the upgrades appear to be INCONSISTENT - and affecting only SOME PS3s, with no determined pattern...

That's the wierd part. If it was consistent, it would be easy (or easier) to nail down the problem. I haven't seen much that breaks it down by specific model/revisions of PS3's. I think I'm lucky with having the old 80gb MotorStorm bundle. That model doesn't seem to be plagued with some of the ankle biting issues that other 80gb models seem to have.

I haven't had any problems from my new Slim either, but I'm waiting for them to show up. :)

[m.rup]

Hi, I've got a Pana BD60 and have freezing issues with some DVD backups.
No problems:
Hulk
Cars
continuing (not ceasing after about 10 seconds) freeze:
Wall-E
Ratatouille

Has anybody experienced similar issues? Is it a problem of decrypter, rebuilder or player?

[eTiMaGo]

Comparative analysis of BD-Rebuilder output on various players.

So, as I had been discussing on the bug report thread earlier, I've been seeing some odd problems with BD-25 converted movies on a friend's Sony S300.

What I then did was bring around a couple of friends, all Blu-ray enthusiasts, with their players. Between us we then had 3 Sonys (PS3, S300 and S350), one Samsung (BD-P1500), one LG (BD370), and one Philips (BD3000). We sat there all day testing a wide range of my output discs on all these players. And here are our findings:

Best players: PS3 & Sony S350 - played everything we threw at it with no artifacts, pauses or skips

Recurring problems with other players:
S300 - jerky motion on some titles
Samsung BD-P1500: picture freezes on some titles while audio continues
Philips BD3000: no major problems, but incompatibility problems with some newer titles (same with original discs i.e. Terminator Salvation, crappy disc menu programming apparently, requiring a firmware update not yet available for this machine)
LG BD370: By far the worst :( The machine itself has some great features, but a good number of the discs we tried on it would break down into motion artifacts. Worst offenders being Up, Blood: Last Vampire, Mamma Mia.
Jdobbs mentioned in the other thread that this could be LG's way of dealing with read errors, but it is throughout the entire movie, and I also re-burned a couple of the movies again on some higher grade discs, to the same result.

These were all tried with movies converted over time, from the first version of BD-rebuilder I used (24.xx I think) to 31.02, all players have the latest firmware available

Got Blu-ray? :D
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/691356/playaz.jpg

So, for the sake of troubleshooting/debugging, do you guys want me to post any logs or other information? Any tweaks I might be able to put in BD-Rebuilder to re-do these problem titles?

[chompy]

@eTiMaGo: The problems you experienced with LG BD370 happened only with backups or did also original blurays have them?

[eTiMaGo]

chompy, original discs play silky-smooth :(

[chompy]

chompy, original discs play silky-smooth :(

Thanks, I'm gonna buy the LG BD390 so lets hope it handles better BD-Rebuilder backups...

[Capsbackup]

Thanks, I'm gonna buy the LG BD390 so lets hope it handles better BD-Rebuilder backups...

Sony appears to be the most compatible for movie only as well as full backups, if BD-RB compatibility is what your after.:p

[jdobbs]

Sony appears to be the most compatible for movie only as well as full backups, if BD-RB compatibility is what your after.:pBy far -- and high quality output as well.

I was just at COSTCO yesterday, and they have the Sony BDP-S460 available for under $200. It appears to be the same machine as S360, only with Netflix and YouTube capability added in. They also had a low-end player (I forget the brand) for under $100.

Amazing how these are dropping. I just bought my S360 a few months ago for considerably more than that.

[Capsbackup]

By far -- and high quality output as well.

I was just at COSTCO yesterday, and they have the Sony BDP-S460 available for under $200. It appears to be the same machine as S360, only with Netflix and YouTube capability added in. They also had a low-end player (I forget the brand) for under $100.

Amazing how these are dropping. I just bought my S360 a few months ago for considerably more than that.

I just purchased the S360, on black friday, at Fry's for $119.00.

[hautem]

New to the forum and this may be an isolated case, but I've been using PC based players (PowerDVD etc.) for viewing/playing BD-Rebuilder backups - on which all of the movie-only and full disc backups I've done to BD5/9 have played without issue (terrific program BTW, jdobbs - thanks). Decided it was time for a stand-alone player and picked up the Sony BDP-N460 (streaming video) last week, assuming it would fall in line with Sony BDP-S300\S350\S360\S500\S550 series compatibility with full disc to BD9 encodes. All of the full disc backup encodes that I've done to BD9 with BD-J menus won't play in the Sony BDP-N460 ("can't operate this disc"). The full disc encodes to BD9 with HDMV (only) menus play fine. Movie-only encodes to BD9 or BD5 also play fine. BD9 media has been Memorex (typically Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66), burner - LG GGC-H20L.

After going through around 5-6 coasters trying to find out where I went wrong, I just picked up the Sony BDP-S360 for compatibility comparison purposes. As it turns out, all of the full disc backup encodes that I've done to BD9 with BD-J menus that would not play on the Sony BDP-N460, play fine on the Sony BDP-S360. I don't have a BD burner, but assuming it wouldn't be an issue for either player if burned to BD-25.

There was also the issue of an encode of "Goldfinger" that I had just recently done, movie-only to BD9 using BD-RB v0.31.02 where there was severe pixelization when played back on the Sony BDP-N460 (noted other reports on this when played on the Oppo). The pixelization issue was fixed when reverting back to BD-RB v0.31.01 (x264.exe version r1310) and played on the Sony BDP-N460. That same encode using BD-RB v 0.31.02 that had severe pixelization played back on the Sony BDP-N460, plays perfectly fine on the Sony BDP-S360. Both of these encodes worked fine when played back using PowerDVD/MPCHC on my PC, so there was no way of being able to tell the difference until burned to disc and played in a stand-alone, the results being totally player dependent. All of those "coasters" now play fine on the Sony BDP-S360.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has had any similar experience with the Sony BDP-N460. Unfortunate, since from what little I watched, most of the Netflix HD streaming was quite good IMO.

[jdobbs]

New to the forum and this may be an isolated case, but I've been using PC based players (PowerDVD etc.) for viewing/playing BD-Rebuilder backups - on which all of the movie-only and full disc backups I've done to BD5/9 have played without issue (terrific program BTW, jdobbs - thanks). Decided it was time for a stand-alone player and picked up the Sony BDP-N460 (streaming video) last week, assuming it would fall in line with Sony BDP-S300\S350\S360\S500\S550 series compatibility with full disc to BD9 encodes. All of the full disc backup encodes that I've done to BD9 with BD-J menus won't play in the Sony BDP-N460 ("can't operate this disc"). The full disc encodes to BD9 with HDMV (only) menus play fine. Movie-only encodes to BD9 or BD5 also play fine. BD9 media has been Memorex (typically Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66), burner - LG GGC-H20L.

After going through around 5-6 coasters trying to find out where I went wrong, I just picked up the Sony BDP-S360 for compatibility comparison purposes. As it turns out, all of the full disc backup encodes that I've done to BD9 with BD-J menus that would not play on the Sony BDP-N460, play fine on the Sony BDP-S360. I don't have a BD burner, but assuming it wouldn't be an issue for either player if burned to BD-25.

There was also the issue of an encode of "Goldfinger" that I had just recently done, movie-only to BD9 using BD-RB v0.31.02 where there was severe pixelization when played back on the Sony BDP-N460 (noted other reports on this when played on the Oppo). The pixelization issue was fixed when reverting back to BD-RB v0.31.01 (x264.exe version r1310) and played on the Sony BDP-N460. That same encode using BD-RB v 0.31.02 that had severe pixelization played back on the Sony BDP-N460, plays perfectly fine on the Sony BDP-S360. Both of these encodes worked fine when played back using PowerDVD/MPCHC on my PC, so there was no way of being able to tell the difference until burned to disc and played in a stand-alone, the results being totally player dependent. All of those "coasters" now play fine on the Sony BDP-S360.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has had any similar experience with the Sony BDP-N460. Unfortunate, since from what little I watched, most of the Netflix HD streaming was quite good IMO.Good to know. I had assumed it was a repackaged 360...

[hautem]

Good to know. I had assumed it was a repackaged 360...

So did I. The BDP-N460 and the BDP-S360 units look near identical front and rear as well as the menu structure (sans streaming in the BDP-S360). I even tried a short video slideshow using ProShow Producer outputted to Blu-ray burned to BD5 which uses BD-J menus by default - the BDP-S360 plays it, the BDP-N460 can't. Still interested if this behavior can be confirmed by other users. I live-chatted/e-mailed Sony support re: the ProShow issue, but they were little if any help. Just guessing, but my first take is that it's a firmware issue yet to be upgraded (or maybe not).

[chompy]

Sony appears to be the most compatible for movie only as well as full backups, if BD-RB compatibility is what your after.:p

Compatibility is very important, but mkv support and NTFS on USB drivers are also important, and Sony players lack them... Hopefully compatibility can be improved with firmware upgrades but the other two options are more difficult to get (especially from Sony).

[jdobbs]

Compatibility is very important, but mkv support and NTFS on USB drivers are also important, and Sony players lack them... Hopefully compatibility can be improved with firmware upgrades but the other two options are more difficult to get (especially from Sony).Blu-Ray standards don't include MKV. There will be players that support it -- but they'll always be on the fringe like DivX was/is. The money is in using Blu-ray to its full potential.

[Capsbackup]

Blu-Ray standards don't include MKV. There will be players that support it -- but they'll always be on the fringe like DivX was/is. They money is in using Blu-ray to its full potential.

I agree. Unfortunately, Sony seems to be the way to go for Blu-Ray backups to DVD/BD media. The others just don't compare, proven by reading these forums.
The dilemma is most people wan't it both ways, so Sony may not be for them. But then the compatibility complaints are raised when using optical media. :rolleyes:

[eTiMaGo]

An update to my earlier findings... Went to the mall, to a Hi-Fi shop where I know the manager, and tried a problem disc (Up BD25) on an LG BD350, which played absolutely fine... So either there's some kind of bug in the 370's firmware or what, I don't know...

[jr08toy]

LG BD390 works with MOVIE ONLY, not full disc. Burned through Imgburn 2.5, UDF 2.50, burned as BD
Media is Verbatim DVD+R DL

Took me forever to get this to work.....

[Category 5]

So those with the BDP-s460, does the unit play DVD+R DL AVC-HD movie only discs fine? No luck with BD9 full encodes?

[jdobbs]

So those with the BDP-s460, does the unit play DVD+R DL AVC-HD movie only discs fine? No luck with BD9 full encodes? I've heard it doesn't. If it does, I'll definitely buy one. I think it's model number is actually "BDP-N460" though.

[hautem]

I still have the Sony BDP-N460 (firmware v120):

Plays:

All BD-Rebuilder movie-only backups that I've done to BD5/9 (with one exception noted below).
All full disc encodes to BD9 with HDMV menus only.

Does not play:

Full disc encodes to BD9 with BD-J menus.
Movie only encodes with BD-Rebuilder v0.31.02 - reportedly no weightp support in the BDP-N460 - must be disabled (resulted in severe blocking/pixelization) - fixed in v0.31.04 (defaults to --weightp 0) and confirmed to work fine in v0.31.05 on a movie-only of Dave Matthews: Live at Radio City (had to do movie-only due to the IGS issue in a near 1GB .m2ts menu file). Blocking was not an issue with earlier BD-Rebuilder versions movie-only burned to BD5/9.

As an aside, the Netflix HD streaming on the BDP-N460 is quite good IMO. I'm using a Cat 6 STP (Shielded Twisted Pairs) RJ45 cable from my router, but I doubt that it makes any difference - it worked as well with a cheap retractable coiled type connection. The occasional buffering appears to be sourced based and the majority of the titles have played w/o interruption (I have a standard cable 5Mbps account). The Netflix HD selection is limited, but the pricing is right for one BD/DVD out at a time and streaming HD is unlimited. I'm hoping that a firmware upgrade will resolve the BDP-N460 full disc BD-J menu to BD9 issue prior to having to return it by 1/31/10. So far, the Sony BDP-S360 plays every BD-RB I've thrown at it except for some Universal titled BD's full disc to BD9 with PIP/secondary audio (no audio or subtitles in main movie - e.g. "Public Enemies"). Home brewed AVCHD needs to be encoded lower than 18(?) Mbps or it chokes.

[jdobbs]

I still have the Sony BDP-N460 (firmware v120):

Plays:

All BD-Rebuilder movie-only backups that I've done to BD5/9 (with one exception noted below).
All full disc encodes to BD9 with HDMV menus only.

Does not play:

Full disc encodes to BD9 with BD-J menus.
Movie only encodes with BD-Rebuilder v0.31.02 - reportedly no weightp support in the BDP-N460 - must be disabled (resulted in severe blocking/pixelization) - fixed in v0.31.04 (defaults to --weightp 0) and confirmed to work fine in v0.31.05 on a movie-only of Dave Matthews: Live at Radio City (had to do movie-only due to the IGS issue in a near 1GB .m2ts menu file). Blocking was not an issue with earlier BD-Rebuilder versions movie-only burned to BD5/9.

As an aside, the Netflix HD streaming on the BDP-N460 is quite good IMO. I'm using a Cat 6 STP (Shielded Twisted Pairs) RJ45 cable from my router, but I doubt that it makes any difference - it worked as well with a cheap retractable coiled type connection. The occasional buffering appears to be sourced based and the majority of the titles have played w/o interruption (I have a standard cable 5Mbps account). The Netflix HD selection is limited, but the pricing is right for one BD/DVD out at a time and streaming HD is unlimited. I'm hoping that a firmware upgrade will resolve the BDP-N460 full disc BD-J menu to BD9 issue prior to having to return it by 1/31/10. So far, the Sony BDP-S360 plays every BD-RB I've thrown at it except for some Universal titled BD's full disc to BD9 with PIP/secondary audio (no audio or subtitles in main movie - e.g. "Public Enemies"). Home brewed AVCHD needs to be encoded lower than 18(?) Mbps or it chokes. BD-RB encodes all AVCHDs lower than 18Mbs. In fact the max rate is set at 17500.

[hautem]

I should have clarified that the AVCHD issue had nothing to do with BD-RB. That was my own faux pas using ProShow Producer for a still pic slide show presentation (wedding) burned directly to BD5 that I mistakenly encoded at 25Mbps. I re-encoded the project to 15Mbps and it worked fine on the Sony BDP-S360, but still will not play on the Sony BDP-N460 due to the default (and can't be modified) BD-J menu structure in ProShow Producer.

[Category 5]

Also...I have a BDP1600 and have yet to successfully get a DVD+R booktype assigned. I can change booktype to either normal, dvd-rom or dvd+rw in the settings for either my LG, Lite-on or Sony drives. So I assign DVD+RW and click okay and it looks like the setting sticks. When i go to burn...BOOKTYPE - DVD_ROM

Everey time!

How in the world are you guys burninf DVD9 discs with DVD+R booktype for the Samsung player?! I am about to throw this Samsung junk into the trash compactor! lol

EDIT - Got it to play using NERO to burn. Oddly can't even set the booktype on my Lite-On writer in Nero but it must default to DVD+R DL. Now how to get IMGburn to work.....

[DK]

I use nothing but IMGBURN for whatever i burn and it does a great job.

in order to change bootype settings in imgburn go here:

tools => settings => write => DISable "auto change booktype" here

now go to:
tools => drive => change booktype and set the booktype to whatever media you have - i use +R only and have +R set for my LG which works wonderful now with the samsung bd p1600

[jdobbs]

ImgBurn is the way to go. I can't imagine why anyone would use anything else. I also recommend burning by using the automatic feature or "FILE/Burn Current Disc" in BD-RB -- as it sets all required parameters before burning.

[DVDIT]

I made a backup copy of my Casino Royale blu-ray disc to BD9 using BD-Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta) and burned the file with imgBurn WITHOUT patching the index.bdmv with AVCHD Patcher and the burned disc played fine on my PS3, Pioneer BDP-51FD and Samsung 2550. Is patching with AVCHD patcher not required anymore? Is that why I get an error message when I tried to Patch the index.bdmv from BD-REbuilder working folder with AVCHD Patcher? I just want to make the most complaint BD9 and not running the AVCHD Patcher is OK. Thanks.

[DVDIT]

ImgBurn is the way to go. I can't imagine why anyone would use anything else. I also recommend burning by using the automatic feature or "FILE/Burn Current Disc" in BD-RB -- as it sets all required parameters before burning.

I just made my first Blu-Ray backup copy using your awesome software. I would like to use the autoburn feature if patching is not required. (see my post above)
Thank you so much for all your effort. Donation coming your way! :thanks:

[jdobbs]

I just made my first Blu-Ray backup copy using your awesome software. I would like to use the autoburn feature if patching is not required. (see my post above)
Thank you so much for all your effort. Donation coming your way! :thanks:Patching is not required. I would also recommend setting "Strict AVCHD" (in the SETUP dialog) for the most compatible BD-5/9 movie-only encodes. "Strict AVCHD" will be the default in the next release.

[DVDIT]

Patching is not required. I would also recommend setting "Strict AVCHD" (in the SETUP dialog) for the most compatible BD-5/9 movie-only encodes. "Strict AVCHD" will be the default in the next release.

Strict AVCHD for BD-5/9 Movie-only box checked. Thanks, jdobbs. I was expecting a very long encode time but Casino Royale, a 2 hrs and 24 mins movie, took only 7 hours.

[turbojet]

Patching is needed for playback of full backups with EU PS3's and maybe some other players (not very well tested).

Strict AVCHD breaks playback in funai based players (denon, phillips, insignia), windvd 9/10, and 2009+ builds of powerdvd 7/8/9 from dvd/bd. It will allow 2009+ builds of powerdvd 7/8/9 to playback from hard drive but only if AC3 audio.

The only thing you lose with non-strict avchd is powerdvd 7/8/9 hard drive playback, otherwise all known players support it.

[jdobbs]

Patching is needed for playback of full backups with EU PS3's and maybe some other players (not very well tested).

Strict AVCHD breaks playback in funai based players (denon, phillips, insignia), windvd 9/10, and 2009+ builds of powerdvd 7/8/9 from dvd/bd. It will allow 2009+ builds of powerdvd 7/8/9 to playback from hard drive but only if AC3 audio.

The only thing you lose with non-strict avchd is powerdvd 7/8/9 hard drive playback, otherwise all known players support it. Are you positive and have tested it recently? I can't imagine why encoding completely to standard could cause an issue on any player.

Also -- when I speak about AVCHD, I'm talking about movie-only (as I said in my post). If you do full backup to BD-5/9, you're a slave to the firmware of the player -- and you can't predict what will happen on the next automatic firmware update. With BD-R's now only slightly more expensive than usable DVD-9's ($1.70 compared to $2.22) -- it's a good idea to do full backups to BD-R. I pretty much do all my full backups that way now.

[turbojet]

Only what I could which is powerdvd 7/8/9 and winDVD 9/10. I haven't been keeping track of funai firmware updates but some of the players that don't support are probably already EOL from 2 years ago.

My guess is some players look at folder structure to determine if its AVCHD or BD and funai players don't claim to support AVCHD.

[DVDIT]

Patching is needed for playback of full backups with EU PS3's and maybe some other players (not very well tested).

Strict AVCHD breaks playback in funai based players (denon, phillips, insignia), windvd 9/10, and 2009+ builds of powerdvd 7/8/9 from dvd/bd. It will allow 2009+ builds of powerdvd 7/8/9 to playback from hard drive but only if AC3 audio.

The only thing you lose with non-strict avchd is powerdvd 7/8/9 hard drive playback, otherwise all known players support it.

I am confused. So Strict AVCHD should be enabled, disabled or it just doesn't matter?

[turbojet]

Are you playing it back on funai players, with windvd 9/10 or from disc/image with powerdvd 7/8/9?

If so, don't use strict avchd. If not it probably doesn't matter if your audio is AC3, if it's DTS audio there might be some unknown problems with strict AVCHD.

[flavict]

@jdobbs

I do have an Insignia NS-BRDVD and when using "Strcict AVCHD" for movie only, it will not play

[DVDIT]

Are you playing it back on funai players, with windvd 9/10 or from disc/image with powerdvd 7/8/9?

If so, don't use strict avchd. If not it probably doesn't matter if your audio is AC3, if it's DTS audio there might be some unknown problems with strict AVCHD.

Thanks. I use PS3, Pioneer BDP-51FD and Samsung 2550 players now. I might get a Denon in the future. I do have PowerDVD 8 and the burned disc would not play with PowerDVD. I don't watch any Blu-ray on my computer so playback problem with PowerDVD don't bother me but it would have been nice if it played back on PowerDVD.

[Capsbackup]

I can confirm turbojet's report that when strict AVCHD is set, I cannot play back an image from my hard drive with PowerDVD 7 or 8.
If not set, image plays fine.( using Virtual CloneDrive )
My Sony BDP-BX1 and S360 will play back either one though, which is mainly where I watch my backups.
I like to use PowerDVD to check playback and audio sync before burning to disc though!
My preference would be to leave BD-RB as is, and those who need to select strict AVCHD for there playback do as is now. :p
I guess when I get use to something, especially that I like, I prefer not to change! :)
SOF. ( stubborn old fart ):cool:

[hautem]

Just an FYI...

Firmware update posted today for the Sony BDP-N460 (UPDATE_BDPN460_VER123.EXE) has not affected it's inability to play BD-Rebuilder re-encodes full disc to BD9 with BD-J menus. Full disc to BD9 with HDMV menus (only) continue to work fine.

[DVDIT]

I made whole disc backup of TV series Damages - disc 1, to BD9 and the disc failed to play on all three blu-ray players I own PS3, pioneer 51FD and Samsung 2550. Burned it three different times but all three failed to play back. Full disc backups don't play back in any player ?

[jdobbs]

I made whole disc backup of TV series Damages - disc 1, to BD9 and the disc failed to play on all three blu-ray players I own PS3, pioneer 51FD and Samsung 2550. Burned it three different times but all three failed to play back. Full disc backups don't play back in any player ? They play on lots of players. But some players don't even support AVCHD, let alone BD on DVD-9.

[DVDIT]

They play on lots of players. But some players don't even support AVCHD, let alone BD on DVD-9.

All my players support AVCHD. Sony PS3, Smasung 2550 and Pioneer BDP-51FD. All three players recognize and play 4 backups of blu-ray movies I did on BD9 so far. Surely it is not a problem of AVCHD playback issue as movie only backup play fine. The problem is with full disc backups. Full backup shows up as data disc on my PS3, not recognized at all on the Samsung and plays fine on my Pioneer but freezes at the beginning of chapter 5. :confused:

[laserfan]

I made whole disc backup of TV series Damages - disc 1, to BD9...When you do get it to play, I would be interested to hear how your backup looks, assuming you made it w/BD-RB.

Just curious because this series has an unusually high number of scenes with some sort of heavy "artificial grain" feature applied, and I would expect it to wreak havoc on quality, especially trying to fit onto BD-9.

[DVDIT]

When you do get it to play, I would be interested to hear how your backup looks, assuming you made it w/BD-RB.

Just curious because this series has an unusually high number of scenes with some sort of heavy "artificial grain" feature applied, and I would expect it to wreak havoc on quality, especially trying to fit onto BD-9.

Yeah, I shrunk it to BD9 with BD-RB. I will let you know if I am able to find the problem. I bought a Pioneer 205BKS today in order to backup TV shows on BR25. Seems to be the safest (most compatible) way to backup whole movie discs.

[laserfan]

Yeah, I shrunk it to BD9 with BD-RB. I will let you know if I am able to find the problem.Assuming you burned it with ImgBurn, I can only suggest fiddling with "booktype", i.e. look at your ImgBurn logs to see how it was burned e.g. "Booktype: DVD-ROM" or "Booktype: DVD+R" and try to burn it the other way. When I've burned mine, they tend to work as DVD-ROM but dunno about your players.

There's an ImgBurn setting "Write, Auto 'Change Book Type'(*)" that's sometimes a gotcha too.

[DVDIT]

Assuming you burned it with ImgBurn, I can only suggest fiddling with "booktype", i.e. look at your ImgBurn logs to see how it was burned e.g. "Booktype: DVD-ROM" or "Booktype: DVD+R" and try to burn it the other way. When I've burned mine, they tend to work as DVD-ROM but dunno about your players.

There's an ImgBurn setting "Write, Auto 'Change Book Type'(*)" that's sometimes a gotcha too.

I have changed the book type to DVD-ROM for all DVD+R DL and DVD+R discs in ImgBurn. That is the settings I have used for years now.

[Brimstone]

An update to my earlier findings... Went to the mall, to a Hi-Fi shop where I know the manager, and tried a problem disc (Up BD25) on an LG BD350, which played absolutely fine... So either there's some kind of bug in the 370's firmware or what, I don't know...

The cheap LG BD270 plays the "full back-ups" just fine on a BD-25. Unfortunately, my Pany DMP-BD30K and DMP-BD55K would not the very same Bluray. They seem to only play the "movie-only" back-ups.

[drmih]

Can I add the praises of a Limit M100 (a £50 player from HMV) [I think it is also available as a momitsu 799 or F+H from ebuyer]. This has just had a firmware update which allows it to play avchd-5; bd-5; avchd-9; bd-9; bd-25; bd-re. Every disc I have done plays including those annoying universal titles which don't output the audio on bd-9 on the Sonys. The player also handles HD mkvs, avis, mp4s off disk or USB.

Oh, it;s also region free for DVD and Blu-ray.

It shows as £80 online but the £50 is in the shops. I have included a link so that you can try and match it to a clone brand in other countries.
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=237140

[stinman]

I have watched 2 of my movie only rips that were around 7.50GB.I used the BDRebuilder on the BD9 setting.I used dual layer TDK I bought at Office Depot. They worked,I watched the Marine 2 with Ted Debiase that was done the same way and put it on a BD-RE and it played.Next time I will try movie only with the HD audio,not sure if BDRebuilder will leave the HD audio or not.I have it checked to do this but it always puts DTS at 1510,1536 and any AC3 based TrueHD at 640.
stin

[Capsbackup]

I have watched 2 of my movie only rips that were around 7.50GB.I used the BDRebuilder on the BD9 setting.I used dual layer TDK I bought at Office Depot. They worked,I watched the Marine 2 with Ted Debiase that was done the same way and put it on a BD-RE and it played.Next time I will try movie only with the HD audio,not sure if BDRebuilder will leave the HD audio or not.I have it checked to do this but it always puts DTS at 1510,1536 and any AC3 based TrueHD at 640.
stin

If you have Srict AVCHD Compliant checked, it will reencode the audio.
Try it with that unchecked and make sure you select BD-25.

[jdobbs]

If you have Srict AVCHD Compliant checked, it will reencode the audio.
Try it with that unchecked and make sure you select BD-25. Strict AVCHD doesn't apply to BD-25. BD-25 is never AVCHD in BD-RB (there is no reason). So the audio encoding is dependent on the settings.

[Capsbackup]

Strict AVCHD doesn't apply to BD-25. BD-25 is never AVCHD in BD-RB (there is no reason). So the audio encoding is dependent on the settings.

Yes I thought this is true, but wasn't sure if the OP was just burning his BD9 to BD-RE for a test.
I used dual layer TDK I bought at Office Depot. They worked,I watched the Marine 2 with Ted Debiase that was done the same way and put it on a BD-RE and it played.Next time I will try movie only with the HD audio,not sure if BDRebuilder will leave the HD audio or not.

Anyway, your input is more than welcome anytime. :cool:
Besides, I think you have first hand knowledge! :p

[jdobbs]

Yes I thought this is true, but wasn't sure if the OP was just burning his BD9 to BD-RE for a test. Understood. :cool:

[DK]

the Samsung 1600 did not like FULL movie BD9 backups until i used multiAVCHD to rewrite the material.

NOW full movie backups play fine when burned to a DVD-DL.

c.f. here: CLICK (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1374410&postcount=6903)

[jdobbs]

the Samsung 1600 did not like FULL movie BD9 backups until i used multiAVCHD to rewrite the material.

NOW full movie backups play fine when burned to a DVD-DL.

c.f. here: CLICK (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1374410&postcount=6903)I don't think multiAVCHD does full backups... but it can author menus.

[DK]

well i can only say that i imported the entire folder which your rebuilder gave me as output material and had multiavchd rewrite it and then burned the new data.

is there any kind of data/information i could provide as to the possible differences between the rb output and the material generated by multiavchd?

[datman]

Sorry to jump in here and not be adding anything to the current discussion.

You may have seen my hair-brained posts I am trying to figure out how to get lossless audio simply. Because of difficult to solve delay issues with MKV / Flac backups, I am now thinking a stand-alone player with 6 analog outs is my best bet. I have read these also have their share of problems so I’m in no hurry.

This would use my single 5.1 analog input and I can play BD25 backups as well as originals with full HD audio. I conveniently have 1 open HDMI input on the 3-way switcher. So I can still use my computer for all the BD5 & 9 backups using a optical input.

The player I need would have to play BD 5 & 9 discs and have analog outs. I would ecstatic if a model became available with media-player capabilities. So I could plug a drive in it and play them from it. I have seen a few that have usb inputs but I don’t think that is what they are used for. I would hold out for this option seeing how I will have to pay $4-5 hundred just to get analog audio.

[datman]

What about the LG BD-390?

[datman]

It looks like this one may be what I need. What I didn’t find out from skimming the thread is; If it will play BD5&9 backups, it looks like movie only will play and using the USB input if I convert my BP25 backups to MKV and keep HD-audio (not converting it to Flac) they can be played through the BD390. There may be a problem with NTFS vs FAT32 file. If it’s limited to fat32 there is a 4g limit.

If I can confirm that it will work I found it for $258. Most dealer no longer stock it because the 2010 models will soon be out and I may not find a dealer to demo the unit so if anyone know this player and if I’m correct in hoping that it will work Please let me know.

[dannotto]

There may be a problem with NTFS vs FAT32 file. If it’s limited to fat32 there is a 4g limit.

European LG BD370 it is limited to 4Gb file size (FAT32). LG BD390 have NTFS support.

[pkho]

I thought PS3 should have no problem playback full movie copy with BD25. I just compress two BD50 movies to BD25 (Transformers and Space Buddies). They both start fine in PS3, warning and menus. But when it reach the main movie it is black with sound. I can see the pop up menu but the movie itself is always black. I recently update my PS3 to 3.15. Is there a known issue for PS3 not playing backup BD-R or something else? The same disc works fine with my Sony S550.

[datman]

It looks like this one may be what I need. What I didn’t find out from skimming the thread is; If it will play BD5&9 backups, it looks like movie only will play and using the USB input if I convert my BP25 backups to MKV and keep HD-audio (not converting it to Flac) they can be played through the BD390. There may be a problem with NTFS vs FAT32 file. If it’s limited to fat32 there is a 4g limit.

If I can confirm that it will work I found it for $258. Most dealer no longer stock it because the 2010 models will soon be out and I may not find a dealer to demo the unit so if anyone know this player and if I’m correct in hoping that it will work Please let me know.

I ended up getting one and it will not play MKV files. The analog audio leaves much to be desired. The 7.1 analog only works when play off a disc all folders are 2ch. I think it was only included as a selling point for saps like me that won’t change their processor. I guess I understand "now" that when it comes to analog what I have is as good as it will "ever" get.

It plays all my BD5 discs, even wall-e my very first encode from 1.5 years ago and none of my BD25 discs, go figure.

It did integrate good with my modem and the netflix is nice. It will play all my BD5 folders so far not one BD25 folder. Using the spdif out the multichannel audio works.

Guess I got what I wanted a media player that plays BD discs

[SLOVEHEART]

Hi All:

I have looked over much of this thread and not much has been said about Oppo standalones - I have a friend who I sent two BD25 to DVD9 recodes (FULL backups) (one DVD-ROM - other DVD+R DL booktype) of Ocean's twelve and Thirteen; he has the OPPO BDP-83 and both played well in his player - I am thinking of getting an OPPO BDP-80 - I have a Sony BDP-S360 which works very well, but after 5 months of hard use - I had to send it in to the factory - they say they can't find anything wrong with it - but I made a copy of Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (2009 - Region A) decrypted with AnydvdHD and the Sony would stick every 4-11 minutes - this flick uses MKB v16 - I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem - but it played fine in a Panasonic BD80 - which usually spits out anything vaugely different - it is very picky.

My question here is about the talk concerning BD-J menus - are these the Universal Studio made discs - When I decrypt them with AnydvdHD - it states that Java signatures have been fixed...could someone explain more about BD-J menus and what discs have them - how to tell if they are present and why HDMV menus work well with BD-RB while the BD-J menu discs are causing trouble - I recently decrypted a Universal Studio disk and the Java signatures were "fixed" - then I ran it through BD-RB and made a BD25 copy - it played fine in the Sony BDP-S360 - I have read that this Sony will play the BD-J discs - while other players have trouble...

If I end up with an OPPO 80 - I will post my experiences with it - I would really like to know more about the BD-J issue - so that I could test the OPPO with regard to that situation and be able to relay the OPPO's performance with them... :)

[deank]

The easiest and fastest way to check if the disc has BD-J menus is to check JAR or BDJO folders. If you see *.bdjo or *.jar files it means the disc is java authored.

Another option is to start index.bdmv with BDedit and you'll see some of the titles marked as BD-J.

"Signatures fixed" means that anydvd opens the JAR files, changes some of the contents and then re-packs the jar, while updating the manifest and signature files. Otherwise the disc won't play at all.

Unless BD-Rebuilder changes something in these folders/files (which I doubt) there should be no reason for these discs not to work. Of course, some players won't even start a DVD5/DVD9 disc if there is something in the java folders or there are BD-J titles in the index file.

[dread]

I didn't watched development of a bd-rebuilder/x264 for a few months...

Is there some kind of fix for panasonic bd-players with 24p issue (blank screen when 24p function is on with x264 streams) ?

[jdobbs]

Has anyone tried the Sony BDP-370 yet? It looks really nice, and includes Netflix support. I was just wondering if it also plays back BD-5/9 full backups.

[Ch3vr0n]

Just adding that the Panasonic DMP-BD60 plays the BD25/50's from BDRB without a hitch. Dno bout the BD5/9's, don't really need those.

[raul124]

confirm panasonic DBP-30 BD do not play full copy to BD9 or BD5. Movie only: full copy to BD25 no problem:

[kshock]

I have a Sony BVD-E300 and use BD-RB as described in the top post of the bug thread, I have done STAR TREK and 2012 to Optical Quantum BD-25 and TDK DVD+R DL as BD/9 both run great. I did movie only english only sub strict AVCHD. About 20 hrs to do each. The only changes I have made is to check all in the Blu Ray audio. Love the Program and thanks for you hard work JDobbs!!

[user822]

Hi Guys

Does someone know if the BD-P1500 with Firmware 2.6 works?

Firmware 1.3 worked and 2.0 did not work for Full disc playback


Greetings
user

[Mark_Venture]

What about the LG BD-390?
My LG BD-390 has played every backup I've made with BD-Rebuilder (mix of BD5, BD9 and BD25, mostly movie only, but a few full disc backups too), as well as any 5 and 9 made by MultiAVHCD.

[deank]

Do you remember what output mode did you use with multiAVCHD when writing to DVD5/DVD9 and what version of multiAVCHD?

It is very important to me if you can share this information. If you used [Blu-ray] output it is the same as [Full mode] in BD-Rebuilder.

[Mark_Venture]

Do you remember what output mode did you use with multiAVCHD when writing to DVD5/DVD9 and what version of multiAVCHD?

It is very important to me if you can share this information. If you used [Blu-ray] output it is the same as [Full mode] in BD-Rebuilder.Are you asking me?

I used the default settings for both BD-Rebuilder, and MultiAVCHD.

In multiAVCHD, I add my video file (usually .MKV), then I click Start. I usually pick "AVCHD Compatible Players" because it mentions DVD R/RW or BD-R/RE and I'm burning to either +R or +R DL. Since "For all Blu-ray players" mentions only burning to BD-R/RE, I wasn't sure if I could burn that output to DVD-5/9 and use it.

[datman]

My LG BD-390 has played every backup I've made with BD-Rebuilder (mix of BD5, BD9 and BD25, mostly movie only, but a few full disc backups too), as well as any 5 and 9 made by MultiAVHCD.

what media are you using. I picked the wrong media:mad:

[Mark_Venture]

what media are you using. I picked the wrong media:mad:
I use Sony +R and Verbatim +R DL picked up at Best Buy. The last batch of the Sony's I got came from BJ's.

[datman]

I use Sony +R and Verbatim +R DL picked up at Best Buy. The last batch of the Sony's I got came from BJ's.

what about BD25 media. Any BD5 seems to play

[Mark_Venture]

what about BD25 media. Any BD5 seems to play
Verbatim BD-R 4x 3packs from Best Buy (box has Verbatim #96928 on it, made in Taiwan). And a single Sony 2x BD-RE picked up at Staples when I thought I had bad media.

Verbatim +R DL have #95310 on the side, made in Singapore.

Also some Verbatim +R (single layer) with #95037 on the side, made in Taiwan.

The sony's... I don't have the cover on the spindle anymore... but the old 1-8x were 50DPR47LSS (I still have a 50 pack of those), and the new ones are 1-16x and I think they might be 100DPR47RS4 but I think there is a new part number for them now.

[datman]

Thanks Mark that is good to know. I'll pick up the Verbatim BD-R 4x from BB and give them a try. :thanks:

what about Verbatim 25GB 4X BD-R 10 Packs Spindle Box Disc Model 96769 newegg has them for $35 free shipping too

[Mark_Venture]

Thanks Mark that is good to know. I'll pick up the Verbatim BD-R 4x from BB and give them a try. :thanks:

what about Verbatim 25GB 4X BD-R 10 Packs Spindle Box Disc Model 96769 newegg has them for $35 free shipping too

I believe that is the 10 pack version of the Verbatim 3pk I got.

[user822]

i just made a Network Update for my Samsung BD-P1500 and BD9 plays fine!

seems like blu ray structure on Dvd was re-activated

[The_Unknown]

Hello,

I have a question concerning BD25-playback on standalone players. In the first posting there is mentioned that BD25 will work on most of the standalone players. Is this really true? I read several posts on the internet saying that there are problems between BD-RB and standalone players.

I ask this because I plan to buy such a standalone player, for example the Samsung BD-P1600.

And does BD-RB work with ALL BDs on the market?

[DK]

I haven't had a single problem with any BD-R/RE 25 on my Samsung 1600.

Of course i can't speak for "all BDs on the market"

[The_Unknown]

And all these where shrinked by DVD-RB from BD50 to BD25?

[DK]

Yap - full movie as well as movie only.

[raul124]

Has anybody tested this Sony BDs570 with BD5/9 full backups? I have the Panasonic BD30 in witch is not compatible with BD5/9 and it pretty old now, I am looking for a newer model with Netflix streaming and wireless connection and see if someone here knows if this new model or any other new model will be compatible BD5/9 full copy backup. thanks in advance... Muchas Gracias!!

[Nerz]

I haven't noticed anyone writing anything about vizio players. I have a Vizio vbr110 and it works with BD-9. It also works well with LTH BD-25s.

[jdobbs]

I haven't noticed anyone writing anything about vizio players. I have a Vizio vbr110 and it works with BD-9. It also works well with LTH BD-25s.Cool. I saw the Vizio player at Costco and wondered how it would work. I'm a fan of Vizio products and have two Vizio LCD TVs in my home (excellent picture). Do full-disc backup BD-5/9's work or just movie-only encodes?

[Taurus50]

Has anyone tried the Sony BDP-370 yet? It looks really nice, and includes Netflix support. I was just wondering if it also plays back BD-5/9 full backups.

The difference between BDP-S370 and the BDP-S373 is that the remote is different: a few buttons glow in the dark.
I burnt a couple of Sonys DVD-R (SL) in differnt modes but all in vain. The strict AVCHD plays the sound but no picture. If you push the display button it will show you all the correct information about the disc but no picture. So, the disc is correctly recognised but doesn't play.

BD-9 (DVD+R DL) play just fine, no matter if BD or AVCHD.

[hautem]

Has anyone tried the Sony BDP-370 yet? It looks really nice, and includes Netflix support. I was just wondering if it also plays back BD-5/9 full backups.

The Sony BDP-370 would appear to have similar firmware restrictions as the Sony BDP-N460. It doesn't recognize full disc to BD9 backups with BD-J (Java) menus, but full disc to BD9 with HDMV menus (only) play fine. Movie-only backups to BD9 also worked, but I didn't get a chance to try movie-only to BD5 (I'm assuming it would work, but can't say for certain). I have no full disc to BD5 backups to test. I also wasn't able to get the firmware version (floor model that I tried in a local store), but there is an update posted 03/31/2010 on the Sony site (UPDATE_BDPS370_VER473.EXE). Have no idea how that might affect the BD-J menu issue for full disc to BD9 if this floor model had an earlier firmware version.

[Music Fan]

I hope that this problem with Sony BDP-370 is not definitive because I would like to buy this player for its multimedia characteristics.
Does anybody know if the Sony BDP-360 has this problem with BD5/9 ?

[jdobbs]

I hope that this problem with Sony BDP-370 is not definitive because I would like to buy this player for its multimedia characteristics.
Does anybody know if the Sony BDP-360 has this problem with BD5/9 ? Definitely not. I can play full and movie-only backups on BD-5, BD-9, and BD-25 on my BDP-S360.

[Music Fan]

Thanks. Do you believe that there's a chance that a new firmware correct the problem on the 370 ?
I never had Sony players, so I don't know if they propose changes sometimes in their firmwares (Panasonic don't).

@ hautem : could you make tests again with the v473 firmware ? Thanks !

[hautem]

Definitely not. I can play full and movie-only backups on BD-5, BD-9, and BD-25 on my BDP-S360.

I can confirm this as I have the Sony BDP-360 and it apparently plays everything I've thrown at it - full backups with HDMV or BD-J menus to BD9 and movie-only to BD5/BD9. I haven't done full backups to BD5 and no BD25 - don't have a BD burner (not yet, but getting closer based on these kinds of developments). It also plays full backups with HDMV or BD-J menus to BD9 with the AUXDATA folder removed.

@ Music Fan: as I indicated earlier, I tested the Sony BDP-370 in a local store, so can't do any firmware tweaking. I was interested in the BDP-370 for it's Netflix support. FWIW, I briefly had the Sony BDP-N460 (Netflix supported) back in December last year which had similar BD-J menu issues and waited for the next firmware upgrade (still the most current) issued 12/22/2009 (UPDATE_BDPN460_VER123.EXE) and it didn't fix the problem. I was able to return it and keep the Sony BDP-360. I got the Sony BDP-360 primarily on jdobbs repeated compatibility success stories and it hasn't hiccuped once (I just may try that piece of "toast" just to see). The only issue has been with those so very few DTS Express audio PIP discs when doing full backup where additionally the main audio track won't play (e.g. "Public Enemies"), but that's neither a player or BD-Rebuilder issue - a limitation of TSMUXER that's reportedly being worked on elsewhere.

The Sony BDP-360 is really a great, workhorse of a player.

[Music Fan]

Thanks for these informations.
Actually, the non compatibility with Java authored BD-5/9 is not a crippling problem for me right now because I don't have BD player/burner in my pc to copy it, but it's a pity because I might miss it one day.
And the 360 can't play as much formats as the 370 (Divx HD, MKV ...).
It's hard to find a complete player !

[jangai]

I just buyed a stunning 3D Blu-Ray BD-300 Panasonic brand new but ... surprise ...
Many BD-RB backups made over the past year did not read with this drive? As well movie only that full BD ?
All these one give good results with PS3.

Does anyone have experience with this new player and BD-RB backups ? (Panasonic DMP-BDT300)

[jdobbs]

I just buyed a stunning 3D Blu-Ray BD-300 Panasonic brand new but ... surprise ...
Many BD-RB backups made over the past year did not read with this drive? As well movie only that full BD ?
All these one give good results with PS3.

Does anyone have experience with this new player and BD-RB backups ? (Panasonic DMP-BDT300) If you look back through this thread and other BD-RB threads -- you'll likely see that the Panasonic is probably the least friendly player you can buy and use for backups... sorry.

[jangai]

If you look back through this thread and other BD-RB threads -- you'll likely see that the Panasonic is probably the least friendly player you can buy and use for backups... sorry.
Yes... I'm starting to believe ...
Unfortunately, I must, to play Blu-Ray 3D and keep my HC amp, buy the only player 3D ready with two HDMI outputs (Panasonic BDT300) to process the video (HDMI 1.4) and audio (HDMI 1.3) separately ...
I know now that I must keep my PS3 ...

[Ghitulescu]

---buy the only player 3D ready with two HDMI outputs (Panasonic BDT300) ---

Today, but not tomorrow :rolleyes:

PS: Only 18 months earlier appeared (in Germany :rolleyes:) the first BD player to feature 2 HDMI (some 2000€), yet today there are 3 or 4, maybe more - however, the second HDMI seems to be superfluous with the HDMI 1.4 (ok, you may still need 2 outputs).

[longtom]

Someone tested BD-5 playback via DVD5 and DLNA (movie only, stream directory?) with these players:

-) Sony BDP-370 (new firmware M03.R.56)
-) Panasonic DMP-BD85
-) Philips BDP7500-2

[Groucho2004]

Someone tested BD-5 playback via DVD5 and DLNA (movie only, stream directory?) with these players:

-) Sony BDP-370 (new firmware M03.R.56)
-) Panasonic DMP-BD85
-) Philips BDP7500-2

Who tested them? Link?

[longtom]

Who tested them? Link?

Sorry, HAS someone.... :stupid:

[longtom]

I have now the Philips BDP7500-2 and BD5 movie only are working.

[Ch3vr0n]

Panasonic DMP-BD85 plays BD25's just perfect. Including LTH discs

[nick9461]

Samsung BD-C5500
Plays:
Full menu copies of BD discs on DVD9,
Mkv disks with srt subs,
Netflix,
Pandora,
Blockbuster,
Vudu,
upscales DVD,
Avi disks,
Divx,
DivxHD,
xvid,
mp4,
USB connector for drives,
My US version will not play PAL :mad:
There is remote control key sequence to turn on Universal playback. Just do it before upgrading the firmware.

Also streams media from any DLNA server,
YouTube,
wireless lan with optional adaptor,

[SLOVEHEART]

My friend has had an oppo 83 for years - i sent him several dbd5 and bd9 recodes - all played fine on his machine - even those with bd-j menus. I got a med quality oppo 80 - and i've tried it with all kinds of bd5, bd9 and with bd-j and other encodes as well as with mkv files - all pay very well - and having a top color depth of 36 bits isn't to shake a stick at - i like the video / audio options - the 80 doesn't have the anchor bat video processor that supposedly helps if one is using a very big screen (like a projector) - in anycase the players have no trouble with any of the encodes and if one gets a chance to listen to the starting motor adjustment of the read head - it is being moved with an optical stepping motor - a very exact - very well built motor and long lasting too (made to move optical tables in precise ways in small incriments - i'm pleased that the $289 i spent on the oppo 80 is going toward top quality components - and oppo has released new fw which includeds a dnla experimental network sharing capability - so with a software server - one can stream files now to the oppo - it is also supported by memmzo server by conceiva software - i think for the price - one can't go wrong with an oppo - it isn't a mass produced piece of junk which has a time expectancy cutoff surely to come sooner than later!11 maybe we need to here more about these players???:)

[setarip_old]

@SLOVEHEART

Hi! and oppo has released new fwLet's hope it DOESN'T include "Cinavia" detection...

[setarip_old]

If you're suddenly having problems with your Samsung player, click on the following link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1428959#post1428959

[Capsbackup]

@setarip_old:
A very nice find! :)
I will stick with my Sony S360 and not update my firmware unless I am forced to. :cool:

[extravirgin]

I thought someone may find this of interest.

The Philips BDP3000/05 will play a full backup on BD-9. Just tried it with Centurion. Burned onto a Verbatim DVD+R DL, it looked pretty sharp too.

Not bad for a 'budget' player.

[Music Fan]

With Java menus ?

[extravirgin]

No Java on Centurion but I'll continue to test with other movies and let you know.

[jdobbs]

I thought someone may find this of interest.

The Philips BDP3000/05 will play a full backup on BD-9. Just tried it with Centurion. Burned onto a Verbatim DVD+R DL, it looked pretty sharp too.

Not bad for a 'budget' player. I'm not surprised. I've always found it interesting that the "budget" players always seem to be the most resilient. A Sony S360 (like mine) can be had for about $99 these days, and sometimes I think it would play back the top off a coffee can if I tried it.

[SLOVEHEART]

If you're suddenly having problems with your Samsung player, click on the following link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1428959#post1428959



New sure doesn't mean BETTER!!!

I think this is a basis for sage advice - don't update until the world has validated it - too bad for those who jump on the band wagon too soon -


Thanks for the info setarip_old

[jdobbs]

New sure doesn't mean BETTER!!!

I think this is a basis for sage advice - don't update until the world has validated it - too bad for those who jump on the band wagon too soon -


Thanks for the info setarip_old Same advice with everything. You don't know how many times I've had reports from people who jump-the-gun and immediately upgrade to new unproven releases of HAALI, FFDSHOW, or AVISYNTH, only to send their bug reports to BD-RB... go figure. :)

[setarip_old]

@SLOVEHEART

Thanks for the info setarip_oldMy pleasure ;>}

[extravirgin]

With Java menus ?

The Philips BDP3000/05 wouldn't play along with a full movie backup containing Java :(

[Music Fan]

Ok, thanks.
Actually, I believe it's not very useful because most of BD's with Java menus are bigger than 9 Go, so we have to copy it on a BD-25 (which are read by most of players) unless we can recompress the video keeping the Java menus to put it on a BD-9.

[drmih]

For Information:

Samsung 5900 3D player

bd-5/bd-9/bd-25/bd-re all fine in full disc backup mode (handles multi-branching titles and Universal audios which cause problems on Sonys).
avi/mp4/divx/mkv (including HD version) - all okay from disc or usb
internet tv

[xterminater]

does anyone on here know if the philips bdp5110/f7 works with full back up of bmv blu-ray to BD5 or BD9? I'm having trouble using my player after burning and encoding with DVD-RB... everything works fine but I get like a black screen and my dvd player just displays menu...

[jdobbs]

does anyone on here know if the philips bdp5110/f7 works with full back up of bmv blu-ray to BD5 or BD9? I'm having trouble using my player after burning and encoding with DVD-RB... everything works fine but I get like a black screen and my dvd player just displays menu... Does it support AVCHD?

[Edit] Never mind, I found the manual and it does support AVCHD. My guess would be, though, that if the original has java involved the disc probably wouldn't work for full backup. Most players will do movie-only backups to DVD-5 and 9, but only certain players support full backup. Of those even fewer support java on BD-5/9.

[xterminater]

hi jdobbs... this version support both java and avchd though... I just don't know why it doesn't seem to work? I'm trying a movie only encode now. I wonder, is there a way to keep the menu and only encode the main content in BD-RB? Could we have this feature in the next release?

[jdobbs]

hi jdobbs... this version support both java and avchd though... I just don't know why it doesn't seem to work? I'm trying a movie only encode now. I wonder, is there a way to keep the menu and only encode the main content in BD-RB? Could we have this feature in the next release? Probably some day, but not even close by the next release.

[xterminater]

jdobbs, do u know why eventhough the philips support java and avchd but my encode of full back up on BD-5 won't play? Also have you looked into using multiAVCHD on how to blank out ads and extras? I followed their guide but I got to a point where I tried to blank out a trailer but it said it will affect playlist #x then the next one will also affect that playlist #x . I then figured out that for the next consecutive 4 or so are the trailer that pointed back to the original first playlist. Can you tell me how I can effectively blanked out ads and extras without having this problem? Maybe I'm doing something wrong in multiAVCHD that is why my blu-ray doesn't recognized the pointer to start the movie?

[Sharc]

You may find an answer for multiAVCHD related questions in this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1228044#post1228044

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, do u know why eventhough the philips support java and avchd but my encode of full back up on BD-5 won't play? Also have you looked into using multiAVCHD on how to blank out ads and extras? I followed their guide but I got to a point where I tried to blank out a trailer but it said it will affect playlist #x then the next one will also affect that playlist #x . I then figured out that for the next consecutive 4 or so are the trailer that pointed back to the original first playlist. Can you tell me how I can effectively blanked out ads and extras without having this problem? Maybe I'm doing something wrong in multiAVCHD that is why my blu-ray doesn't recognized the pointer to start the movie? I would suggest you ask DeanK. MultiAVCHD is a fantastic program -- but I am far from expert on its internal workings.

[xterminater]

thanks jdobbs, I have posted in the other forum for multiavchd and asked deank. Just to update you on the BD5 that I tried to do, this time for movie only it worked great! To me it looked a lot better than DVD quality, color are much brighter and clearer eventhough the overall bitrate is just about 3100kbps! When choosing movie only in BD-RB, and checked "strict AVCHD", how is that structure different from the full back up mode? Also the audio is converted down to 5.1 dolby ac3 correct? It's not kept DTS anymore right jdobbs?

[jdobbs]

thanks jdobbs, I have posted in the other forum for multiavchd and asked deank. Just to update you on the BD5 that I tried to do, this time for movie only it worked great! To me it looked a lot better than DVD quality, color are much brighter and clearer eventhough the overall bitrate is just about 3100kbps! When choosing movie only in BD-RB, and checked "strict AVCHD", how is that structure different from the full back up mode? Also the audio is converted down to 5.1 dolby ac3 correct? It's not kept DTS anymore right jdobbs? It's certainly is better than DVD quality. Much, much better. It uses more sophisticated codec in AVC and is High Definition. Yes all DTS must be converted to AC3 because the AVCHD standard does not allow DTS.

[xterminater]

Will it be possible to do a movies only but still retain the DTS mode? My player support java, and the menu of the original blu-ray contents is only about 600mb total. It's separated into two parts though. If you go to the multiavchd thread you should see my problem with the playlist that I was referring to. I posted picture, please go there and tell me what you think about it.

[Capsbackup]

Will it be possible to do a movies only but still retain the DTS mode?


Yes all DTS must be converted to AC3 because the AVCHD standard does not allow DTS.

You must of missed this answer. :o

[Music Fan]

the AVCHD standard does not allow DTS.
It's false. Actually, we can put all formats on AVCHD (Dts, Dolby True HD, DTS HD, PCM 7.1, ...).
What you say only concern the "real" AVCHD created by AVCHD cameras, but most of players can play the discs created with MultiAVCHD, which are a mix of AVCHD and BD (even in strict mode).

[jdobbs]

It's false. Actually, we can put all formats on AVCHD (Dts, Dolby True HD, DTS HD, PCM 7.1, ...).
What you say only concern the "real" AVCHD created by AVCHD cameras, but most of players can play the discs created with MultiAVCHD, which are a mix of AVCHD and BD (even in strict mode). Maybe you should at least get a clue before you contradict someone. The standard is well documented and AVCHD STANDARD DOES NOT ACCEPT DTS. There is only one AVCHD standard -- and it is the "real" one. There are some minor variations by different manufacturers out there like AVCCAM and NXCAM -- but none of them allow DTS. The only allowable audio is AC3 up to 640Kbs and PCM.

The fact that some players will play back DTS is NOT a good reason to violate the standard. Your next player may not accept it -- and you're stuck with a stack of coasters.

[Music Fan]

Maybe you should at least get a clue before you contradict someone.
I can make you the same criticism, because I know that, as I already said. You should read more carefully.
But we don't care about the standard if nearly (if not) all players can play Dts on AVCHD created by MultiAVCHD (so, "nearly AVCHD" if you like precision).
And you should have said it to xterminater, instead of making him believe that it was impossible to put Dts on his project.
Anyway, xterminater has to test it on his player, and if it works, it would be stupid not to chose Dts because he couldn't read it anymore on his hypothetical future player, admitting he changes it one day.

[xterminater]

MusicFan and jdobbs... I see that both you guys have different view. I myself is a total novice when it comes to blu-ray and sound structure. I know that DTS and Dolby different in only, I guess the effects that you can hear clearer? However in BD-RB under Movie Only mode, it does not seem to keep DTS even if I chose do not convert DTS to ac3, the output BMV folder when analyzed with mediainfo and powerdvd 10 it says 5.1 DD and my Denon receiver states dolby surround as well instead of DTS....

[Music Fan]

MusicFan and jdobbs... I see that both you guys have different view.
Actually, we are both right because we don't talk about exactly the same format (I clearly said it wasn't the "real" AVCHD format, but all people who use MultiAVCHD's format call it AVCHD).
But in my opinion, it's more interesting to do what it's possible, even it doesn't follow an exceeded standard (not exceeded in theory but in the actual facts).
Even Panasonic players play Dts on MulitAVCHD's discs, while they are the least flexible players in use.
As we are not in the good topic to discuss about these details, I suggest you to try MultiAVCHD and to ask your questions on this topic ;
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744
I believe it will allow you to do what you are trying to do because it has a re-author mode.;)

[jdobbs]

No we're not both right. You are spouting nonsense -- and it is my responsibility to call you on it. Unfortunately the uninitiated who may be reading this thread don't necessarily know the difference, and when someone posts incorrect information it is the responsiblity of the moderator to make sure others don't walk away confused.

Sure -- you can multiplex anything into an M2TS and call it AVCHD. You can also put racing stripes on a turd and call it a Ferrari. But it's isn't.

[jdobbs]

As we are not in the good topic to discuss about these details, I suggest you to try MultiAVCHD and to ask your questions on this topic Since you bring up multiAVCHD, I'd also suggest to ask DeanK (the multiAVCHD author) if the AVCHD standard allows DTS. Dean knows his stuff and will also set you straight. Just because he allows you to do something doesn't mean he is suggesting it's within any kind of standard. Make sure you ask him how it is supposed to be -- not what his software allows.

By the way BD-RB also allows you to add DTS -- but I don't suggest it.

If, though, you are bound and determined to break the standard, you can add this to the INI file:

OVERRIDE_AVCHD_AUDIO_LIMIT=1

From a 2009 entry in the CHANGES.TXT file:- Added a new hidden parameter for those who wish to
ignore the AVCHD requirement for DOLBY DIGITAL audio.
"OVERRIDE_AVCHD_AUDIO_LIMIT=1" will remove the "always
convert to DD" restriction and audio will be included
per the choices made in the SETUP dialog. Using this
option is not recommended in most cases.

[setarip_old]

@exterminater

I would VERY STRONGLY suggest that you read and understand the clear statements of fact made by "jdobbs" regarding ANYTHING to do with Blu-ray presented in this and all other threads - in this and any other forum and/or subforum.

His depth of knowledge regarding this topic is nothing short of remarkable ;>}

Also, do not confuse "But this works for me with this player under these circumstances" with "This is compliant with Blu-ray standards"

[xterminater]

jdobbs... so what you are saying is I have to add the override in order to keep the DTS audio if converted to BD5 or BD9 without the strict avchd checked?

[Music Fan]

I believe that my explanation was clear enough about the difference between AVCHD format and the MultiAVCHD's format. You are talking very seriously about a problem which is not that important.
Come on guys, xterminater just want to copy a movie to read it on his player, he's not going to create a disc which is supposed to be sold. In this case, I wouldn't recommend to create a hybrid format with MultiAVCHD.
We are on a forum for passionate people with a lot of "vanguard" softwares that we like to test, and I guess that xterminater knows it.
Anyway, as I already said (and as you surely know), most of players (if not all) play Dts on discs created by MultiAVCHD, even if it's not mentioned in their manual.
I would understand your message if 10 % of players only could play MultiAVCHD's disc, but it's not the case, it's probably more than 90 %.
In this situation (the reality, not the theory !), your remarks look like serious omissions. This extreme prudence is a nonsense and is disproportionate compared to the xterminater's objective. He has the right to know what hundreds of other forumers already know.
I like to help people to achieve what they like to do (if possible), and my remark on MultiAVCHD is probably more useful for him than your exaggerated caution.

No we're not both right.
Yes we are. You're right saying that AVCHD can't contain DTS and I'm right when I say that the MultiAVCHD's AVCHD can contain DTS.
The fact that deank didn't chose another name to designate his format is not my fault. And it's not his fault, because he took this name from TSMuxer (which is used by MultiAVCHD). Anyway, I explained the nuance in my first answer which was more complete than yours.

you can multiplex anything into an M2TS and call it AVCHD. You can also put racing stripes on a turd and call it a Ferrari. But it's isn't.
You're exaggerating again, there is a lot in common between the AVCHD (the one and only according to you) and the so called AVCHD produced by MultiAVCHD.

You are spouting nonsense -- and it is my responsibility to call you on it.
Your attitude is a nonsense, mine is realistic. You can blindly follow standard if it amuses you, it's not my case. Would you forbid anyone to use Xvid on a player which is supposed to read Divx5 only, even if you knew that it could play Xvid ?
If everybody thought like you, MultiAVCHD wouldn't exist (as many other softwares shared on doom9).
Sorry but it had to be said. I tried to understand your point of view, try to understand mine. And I'm far to be alone in this situation. Read the MultiAVCHD's topic, you will understand what I mean.
It's amazing, I nearly feel to be guilty of a crime while I helped someone.

[Music Fan]

jdobbs... so what you are saying is I have to add the override in order to keep the DTS audio if converted to BD5 or BD9 without the strict avchd checked?
Try multiAVCHD, it's more complete. And a lot of people will be able to answer your questions on its topic.

[jdobbs]

@Music Fan

You just don't get it do you? Some people just can't admit when they are wrong. It is clear to me that you don't even know what AVCHD is. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to make is sound like something else.

It is a big deal -- because this kind of misinformation floating around is exactly why YOU are so confused. What's disturbing is that you don't even know it -- and when I try to help you understand, you continue to argue that somehow there are two AVCHD standards for no reason other than an inability to accept that you are wrong.

But from here on out I'll leave it alone... I think I made my point and if you want to go on believing nonsense, so be it.

You can blindly follow standard if it amuses you This is a joke, right? If we didn't follow standards there would be no H.264 (X264), no MPEG, no M2TS, no DVD, no Blu-ray, no PES, no NTSC, no PAL -- pretty much nothing would work.
And I'm far to be alone in this situation. Read the MultiAVCHD's topic So if a group of people decide that lipstick makes a pig a good date -- we all should agree?

[jdobbs]

jdobbs... so what you are saying is I have to add the override in order to keep the DTS audio if converted to BD5 or BD9 without the strict avchd checked? Yes. It is a hidden option to help protect people from accidentally thinking they are creating AVCHD when they choose to keep non-standard streams.

[Music Fan]

@ jdobbs
Come on, you are becoming funny.
I said at least three times that MultiAVCHD didn't make the real AVCHD format but something close to it.
I know certainly as well as you what AVCHD is, i read a lot on it and made a lot of tests.
I'm not confused at all, I only try to be more complete and helpful than you.
As moderator, you could have guided xterminater to MultiAVCHD (or any other software in the same kind if it exists), because you should have known that it could help him, even if it doesn't respect the AVCHD norm. But as far as I know, he didn't insist to create a disc respecting absolutely the AVCHD norm, he just wants to play it on his standalone player, nothing else.

[jdobbs]

On and on you go, listening to your own voice, wishing to be right, fighting to be right... but you are still, in the final analysis, simply wrong. Suck it up and move on.

[Music Fan]

What a bad faith ! (sorry, it's a translation from french, I don't know if you say that in english).
I'm not wrong because I only said what MultiAVCHD could do and that most of player could play it, there is nothing wrong in that, hundreds of people tested this program.
Let's admit that you made an omission, it's not a huge problem, but don't try to make believe I'm wrong, its dishonest.

[jdobbs]

It's false. Actually, we can put all formats on AVCHD (Dts, Dolby True HD, DTS HD, PCM 7.1, ...). Are you saying that you didn't say this? Or are you saying that you're talking about "another" AVCHD? I've looked all over the place -- and I can only find one. You mentioned the "real" one... what other one is there? Can you point me to where it is documented? What committee approved it? I'm an engineer and I depend on standards. Is there another "meter" that is a different length than the one I'm using? Another "mile"? Another "kilogram"? I guess I'm just "blindly following" those standards as well.

Go to the WIKI on AVCHD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD) and show me where your point is supported. There are lots of references on the bottom. There is also a table showing acceptable audio formats. Add a reference that shows how all those audio formats you mentioned are supported.

That is the point. Either talk about AVCHD, or talk about something that isn't.

[xterminater]

jdobbs... so even without the strict AVCHD mode check and just selecting the BD9 for the output... BD-RB automatically reencode the original bluray contents to avchd AND convert the DTS stream to AC3? So it would not be possible to literally just shrink down a blu-ray dvd to DVD9 without converting the main video file to avchd and convert audio to ac3? Does bluray structure different a lot from DVD because I know when you encode DVD9 to DVD5 it retains the same vob and ifo structure but for BD-RB I believe it makes it to one big avchd file right?

[jdobbs]

jdobbs... so even without the strict AVCHD mode check and just selecting the BD9 for the output... BD-RB automatically reencode the original bluray contents to avchd AND convert the DTS stream to AC3? So it would not be possible to literally just shrink down a blu-ray dvd to DVD9 without converting the main video file to avchd and convert audio to ac3? Does bluray structure different a lot from DVD because I know when you encode DVD9 to DVD5 it retains the same vob and ifo structure but for BD-RB I believe it makes it to one big avchd file right? Yes. Blu-ray is considerably different from DVD. The Blu-ray BD-25 standard make lots of assumptions that can't be followed on blank DVD discs like bitrates that exceed what a DVD can support. The AVCHD standard was developed to support simpler form of hi-def on other media (like DVD-R or flash media). It was mainly meant for home-recordings, but has lots of capability built in.

BD-RB uses AVCHD for movie-only -- that way it can support it on the largest number of players. The blu-ray standard actually includes a BD-9 format with associated bitrate and format limitations. You can see a nice summary of the Blu-ray standards at the authoritative BD FAQ (http://www.hughsnews.ca/faqs/authoritative-blu-ray-disc-bd-faq). When you do a full backup to BD-5/9, the BD9 standard is used. Unfortunately there are only a very limited number of players that will support it -- that's why AVCHD is the preferred format for hi-def DVD output.

[Music Fan]

@ jdobbs
I was sure that you were going to make this quote without the next sentence ! It was so predictable.
Either talk about AVCHD, or talk about something that isn't.
My second sentence was very clear ;
What you say only concern the "real" AVCHD created by AVCHD cameras, but most of players can play the discs created with MultiAVCHD, which are a mix of AVCHD and BD (even in strict mode).
All is said. I believe that this explanation is sufficient for most of people who are trying to copy a movie.

You mentioned the "real" one... what other one is there?
The MultiAVCHD's one, the most known format of this kind on audio/video forums, even if it's not THE AVCHD. As i said, it's not my fault if we see the name "AVCHD" when we create a project with MultiAVCHD.

Can you point me to where it is documented? What committee approved it?
We don't care, most of people want to play discs on their standalone player, not to know the exact theory !

I'm an engineer and I depend on standards.
Ok, I understand better now why you are so rigid and why you play on words not pretending not to understand, while you understand very well what I mean.

Get real!!!
I was going to say you exactly the same thing ! You are blinded by theory and you forget reality, the simple words that help users being cool and understanding (especially with people whose mother tongue is not english, which is my case, as you surely noted).

listening to your own voice
It's what you do !
Don't lose your time trying to explain me things I already know.

[xterminater]

according to drmih, the samsung he has should be able to play full back up to dvd9 :) I will try that once I get my player and hopefully that will work out so at least I get to keep the menu!

[jdobbs]

according to drmih, the samsung he has should be able to play full back up to dvd9 :) I will try that once I get my player and hopefully that will work out so at least I get to keep the menu! When you get that one you should be able to do full backups. There are still some limitations. For example HD audio isn't supported (a single HD audio track can be larger than a DVD can hold).

[jdobbs]

@Music Fan

Ok... I've made my point clear and you've made yours. xterminator was looking for useful information and now he's having to dig through this crap, and I've got better things to do than continue to argue the intuitively obvious. I am instructing you as a moderator to stop. Any further posts will be on topic. Rules 3, 4, and 16 are in effect now -- the next argumentative post will result in a strike.

[xterminater]

jdobbs, do u know why they made the audio so huge when our ears can't realy differenciate? I mean going from dolby to DTS is a huge difference but to HD audio that is like almost impossible to hear.

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, do u know why they made the audio so huge when our ears can't realy differenciate? I mean going from dolby to DTS is a huge difference but to HD audio that is like almost impossible to hear. It's much more "salesmanship" than "engineering". If you want to sell new copies of old movies -- you need to include something new.

All the double-blind tests show that the difference isn't detectable once you get to a certain bitrate -- but you still have people with "miracle ears" who swear they can hear it.

Of course now I've opened myself up for another "expert" to contradict me.

[Capsbackup]

All the double-blind tests show that the difference isn't detectable once you get to a certain bitrate -- but you still have people with "miracle ears" who swear they can hear it.

Of course now I've opened myself up for another "expert" to contradict me.

Well my eyes are not the best anymore ( not quite double blind) :o, and my ears leave some to be desired! :rolleyes:

I certainly can't distinguish between HD audio and DD 5.1, but what I do "see" is my receiver says DTS HD MSTR or True HD. So i guess my "eyes" can still "hear" my BD-25 backups HD audio, and I guess that makes me "feel" better! :p

But most of my backups still are to BD5/9, and I am most pleased with both the audio and video quality. I have never been disappointed yet! :)
But I am starting to come around more to the fact that a BD-25 backup can be completed much faster than BD5/9, and with the capacity of BD-25 I do not see any quality loss if I do keep the HD audio. And with the price of BD-25 media becoming very reasonable, this makes good sense.

So I thank you jdobbs for being able to make any and all of these choices! :thanks:

[jdobbs]

Well my eyes are not the best anymore ( not quite double blind) :o, and my ears leave some to be desired! :rolleyes:

I certainly can't distinguish between HD audio and DD 5.1, but what I do "see" is my receiver says DTS HD MSTR or True HD. So i guess my "eyes" can still "hear" my BD-25 backups HD audio, and I guess that makes me "feel" better! :p

But most of my backups still are to BD5/9, and I am most pleased with both the audio and video quality. I have never been disappointed yet! :)
But I am starting to come around more to the fact that a BD-25 backup can be completed much faster than BD5/9, and with the capacity of BD-25 I do not see any quality loss if I do keep the HD audio. And with the price of BD-25 media becoming very reasonable, this makes good sense.

So I thank you jdobbs for being able to make any and all of these choices! :thanks: I'm glad you're getting good use out of it. Yeah, I'm doing less-and-less BD-5/9. Everytime I see a good deal on blank BD-25's I grab some while the getting is good... and it's getting to the point that they're only a few cents more expensive than BD-9. What I really like is how resilient to scratches they are. I seem to always manage to scratch up my DVDs somehow (which is why I need backups).

I agree with you... if you're backing up to BD-25, you might just as well keep the HD audio. The space is there and I never like to "downgrade" anything unless it's necessary. I really don't care if I can hear it -- sometimes it's enough just to know its there ;). The exception might be a really tightly packed series disc or a case where I'm consolidating things. Just for giggles I used multiAVCHD this week to take my whole 1st season of "Bonanza" from 8 DVDs and put it all in one folder. I then used BD-RB to compress it to a BD-25. It looks pretty darn good. Way cool.

[Ghitulescu]

How about using the specialized thread for dealing with your problem with BD-RB? This is the compatibility of a player with BD-RB, now about how slow encodes your PC ....

[jdobbs]

How about using the specialized thread for dealing with your problem with BD-RB? This is the compatibility of a player with BD-RB, now about how slow encodes your PC .... Moved to a thread of its own. It really wasn't even a bug post, more a "How long should it take?" post. Actually I should probably move a whole string of arguments about the AVCHD standard somewhere else as well...

[xterminater]

sorry jdobbs... i didn't want to keep moving back and forth since we are discussing at the list of compatible BD5 and BD9 I figured I am doing BD9 so I posted here... and ghitulescu ... that tone of voice will not get u anywhere so unless u are either helping out, don't complain.

[xterminater]

Here's my result with the Samsung BD-C5900:

-Full Backups with java menu works for BD5 AND BD9 encodes
-Movies Only for BD5 AND BD9
-MKV, XVID, DIVX, X264, MP3, AVI, basically all format that it lists

Thank you to drmih for this recommendation! This player is now my favorite blu-ray player! Another good thing is that it's touched activated, no buttons on the front :) It's now on sale for $133 at amazon, shipping not included. I recommend using www.eastcoasttvs.com for anyone located on the east coasts to get free shipping. They are selling it for only $150 shipped. For a limited time you get 2% off as well.

[Ameic]

Thanks DRMIH for confirming my free DB-C5900 is worth keeping :)

[Ghitulescu]

sorry jdobbs... i didn't want to keep moving back and forth since we are discussing at the list of compatible BD5 and BD9 I figured I am doing BD9 so I posted here... and ghitulescu ... that tone of voice will not get u anywhere so unless u are either helping out, don't complain.

First learn to search, then how to select the right thread (it comes naturally but only after you searched a bit to see how things get organised).

And I am complaining because I always perform a search before asking, and people like you that post everywhere where they think they get the attention simply poison the results with unwanted noise. Of course, people that do not search but jump directly to questions are not affected by this ... :)

[gg72]

Here's my result with the Samsung BD-C5900:

Can play this Samsung C5900 AVCHD discs in 24p? My Panasonic BD85 plays AVCHD only in 60p unfortunately...

[Ch3vr0n]

Can play this Samsung C5900 AVCHD discs in 24p? My Panasonic BD85 plays AVCHD only in 60p unfortunately...

Thats nonsence mate. I've got the dmp-bd85 myself and i output in 24p. Follow the below mentioned button sequence.

On your remote hit:

Function menu > Other (if thats what its called in english) > Setup > Connections TV / Devices (or similar)

In that menu just below your "TV-Aspect" should be an entry called "HDMI-Connection". Select it and enter the menu. There should be an entry called "24p Output". Set that one to "On/enabled" and your Blu-rays will be output at 24 frames from now on.

[gg72]

Thats nonsence mate.

This is not nonsence... ;) I have this setup also and on AVCHD playback I haven't 24p output, BD playback is OK. I have an european version of BD85 and in a german forum I found this (the same problem):

Lässt sich beim 85er jetzt endlich auch mal 24p erzwingen? Kannst Du das mal mit einer DVD testen? Denn bei meinem 35er geht das nämlich nicht.
Brauche nämlich einen Player, der eine AVCHD-Disk mit 24p ausgeben kann, zum Kalibrieren mit der AVS-Disk.

Nein, leider funktioniert das bei Panasonic immer noch nicht. Panasonic weigert sich standhaft seit dem DMP-BD30, bei AVCHD Discs, 24p Material enthalten, die 1080p24 Ausgabe zuzulassen.
Außerdem gibt der Player bei BD-Rs/REs, die 720p24 Material enthalten, KEIN 1080p24 aus, sondern nur 1080p60.

[Ghitulescu]

From another German forum and various A/V magazines one can find that 24p output with Panasonic is tricky also for commercial BDs, one needs to set it always in Movie Mode before playing BDs or DVDs. That is another reason why I don't buy Panasonic (the first one was its inability to play some/many AVCHDs).

[laserfan]

For Sony player owners, e.g. S360 and others -- have you updated to most recent 008 firmware, and are there any problems playing your DVD-based backups.

[Capsbackup]

For Sony player owners, e.g. S360 and others -- have you updated to most recent 008 firmware, and are there any problems playing your DVD-based backups.

I have not updated my S360, it still has the original firmware it came with (007).
All my backups work fine, so I am hesitant to update at all.
Do you know what this update addresses?

Found this:
http://esupport.sony.com/CA/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=BDPS360&upd_id=6155&os_id=46

I dont believe I will update based on this. :cool:

[laserfan]

I have not updated my S360, it still has the original firmware it came with (007).
All my backups work fine, so I am hesitant to update at all.
Do you know what this update addresses?

Found this:
http://esupport.sony.com/CA/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=BDPS360&upd_id=6155&os_id=46

I dont believe I will update based on this. :cool:I read somewhere that 008 fixed some problems on an S5000, and suspect there is (much?) more to the update than is in the release notes.

But like you perhaps, I am suspicious of what nasties Sony might have sneaked-in there. I don't think there is any way to revert to 007 once "updated"?

[Ch3vr0n]

This is not nonsence... ;) I have this setup also and on AVCHD playback I haven't 24p output, BD playback is OK. I have an european version of BD85 and in a german forum I found this (the same problem):

Whatya think mine is. I live in belgium = R2 = Europe and mine plays 24p just perfectly. The only catch is if you want to play 24p is that your TV has to support 24p playback AND 24p is only supported through HDMI connection. If it doesnt well, then it gets upscaled.

My setup = Panasonic TX-P42S20 + Panasonic DMP-BD85 = blu-ray playback at 24p (24FPS) without even a single problem. Ya just gotta follow the instructions in my previous post.

The BD85 not supporting 24p is complete nonsence:

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Video/Blu-ray-Disc-Players/model.DMP-BD85K.S_11002_7000000000000005702#tabsection
> 1080/24p Playback 14 Yes
> 14: For BD-ROM /BD-R and DVD-Video via HDMI.

I have no issues whatsoever playing back my BD's at 24hz (24p)

[gg72]

My setup = Panasonic TX-P42S20 + Panasonic DMP-BD85 = blu-ray playback at 24p (24FPS) without even a single problem.

Have you read my post carefully? :sly:
My Blu-ray playback at 24p is also OK, I have trouble with AVCHD only, this discs are DVD's and not Blu-rays and my BD85 plays it only in 60p. And I'm not alone with this problem, see my previous post with an quote from a german forum.
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Whatever. My original question was: Can play the Samsung BD-C5900 AVCHD discs in 24p?

[Ch3vr0n]

Couldnt find anything via google. Did ya try to contact samsung themselves ?

[gg72]

Couldnt find anything via google. Did ya try to contact samsung themselves ?

I have found a person in a forum (in Hungary) an hour ago, he has the Samsung C5900 and I send him tomorrow an AVCHD Disc for testing. Then I will report about the result.

[burticus]

I just picked up a Sony BDP-S370 and was very happy with it until I started playing some backups. Some work fine but others have stuttering audio or distorted screechy sound (the blue alien people movie). My old Pioneer BDP-51FD played all these just fine. These are all movie-only backups, some are bd-25 (keep hd audio) some are bd-9 (downmix to AC3). I have gone through every audio option available. The thing updated to the newest firmware the second I plugged it in.

This sucks because I REALLY LIKE this player. It is LIGHT YEARS faster than my pioneer plus it does all the streaming stuff.

A bd-9 version of the movie I did last night was all stuttery, I'm going to redo it tonight as bd-25 and keep the hd audio to see if it makes a difference (a third story about toys).

This was on sale for $129, if it has to go back to the store what else is comparable that people have good backup experience with? One of the Samsungs or LG? I want to stay in the same price range (under $150) I've read that the Panasonics really suck with backups.

And BTW I am not buying a PS3. I already have a 360.

[jdobbs]

I think the one down side to the S370 is that it doesn't support full backups on DVD-9 (unless the firmware has been updated). Movie-only backups to BD-9 and BD-5 should work fine, though.

[burticus]

I have now been through a ton of discs and half don't play right on the S370. Not life-ending if I can find out what the common denominator is but still not pleasant.

[Ghitulescu]

The last good Sony is the 360 & Co. It's what I intend to buy as a replacement. It's extremely tolerant and accepts a lot of videos that are not BD-compliant. I'm not sure about the last FW revision.
Probably Sony Corp. has reached the market turning point and doesn't care any longer to promote its products as before.

[burticus]

Re: my Sony S370 I have figured out that for BD9's if I select "use 448kbs for AC3", and deselect "strict AVCHD" that stuff works perfectly. I have been re-encoding movies since last week and all the ones I have redone this way work great.

So I'm happy enough, redoing 30ish movies isn't a deal breaker for me. Now if that had been 300, I would be less pleased.

Looks like the Pioneer P51FD will be going on ebay soon, I don't even have an HDTV in my bedroom so no real point to keeping it. Unless I wanted to play 1080p BD9 movies in SD for some reason... hmmmm.

[Capsbackup]

@burticus;
I doubt the 448 kbps AC3 had anything to do with it, but more likely the strict AVCHD. I never have selected strict AVCHD, and almost always use 640kbps AC3 audio. Mine are BX-1 and S360.
I am not sure, but full movie backups may not be affected by the strict AVCHD selection anyway. Just movie only.
If you are doing movie only, you could just copy the BD5/9 back to your hard drive from the disc, demux it with tsMuxeR, and remux with tsMuxer selecting Blu-ray as your output.
Might be worth a try. :)

[jdobbs]

@burticus;
I doubt the 448 kbps AC3 had anything to do with it, but more likely the strict AVCHD. I never have selected strict AVCHD, and almost always use 640kbps AC3 audio. Mine are BX-1 and S360.
I am not sure, but full movie backups may not be affected by the strict AVCHD selection anyway. Just movie only.
If you are doing movie only, you could just copy the BD5/9 back to your hard drive from the disc, demux it with tsMuxeR, and remux with tsMuxer selecting Blu-ray as your output.
Might be worth a try. :) I'm sure the AC3 isn't important and the strict AVCHD is ignored for full backups. It only has an effect on movie-only. I doubt, though, that BD-9 full backups would work on that player at all.

Strict AVCHD movie-only backups should work on all players that accept AVCHD. All it really does is prevent the user from using non-compliant streams and it doesn't add the folders/headers that are unique to blu-ray.

[burticus]

To test that theory I ran a re-encode of a problem movie and unchecked "use 448kbs for AC3" for a BD9 movie and the audio is still stuttering and jacked. I have had very good luck with that option selected, I guess the S370 cannot handle the higher AC3 bitrate.

These are BD9/25 movie only encodes. I don't really care about doing the full backup, all I care about is the movie.

I got a new firmware pushed to me tonight, but it didn't make any difference on my test. I don't care. Now that I know what to do to produce workable backups I'm happy.

[jdobbs]

To test that theory I ran a re-encode of a problem movie and unchecked "use 448kbs for AC3" for a BD9 movie and the audio is still stuttering and jacked. I have had very good luck with that option selected, I guess the S370 cannot handle the higher AC3 bitrate.

These are BD9/25 movie only encodes. I don't really care about doing the full backup, all I care about is the movie.

I got a new firmware pushed to me tonight, but it didn't make any difference on my test. I don't care. Now that I know what to do to produce workable backups I'm happy. I guess there might be some kind of twisted logic there. DVD is limited to 448Kbs for DD. Since you're using the red laser, the player may put a limit on itself... but... the AVCHD standard allows DD to get up to 640Kbs. So if the S370 says it supports AVCHD but doesn't allow it, there has to be a firmware issue of some kind.

[Music Fan]

I have the Sony 370 and it plays a lot of formats on dvd, including True HD and Dts MA (thus I guess that DD in 640k should be ok). If the audio is stuttering, the problem comes probably from the video rate. On another forum, an owner of the 370 had the same problem and solved it encoding the video at a lower rate.

[burticus]

Since you're using the red laser, the player may put a limit on itself... but... the AVCHD standard allows DD to get up to 640Kbs. So if the S370 says it supports AVCHD but doesn't allow it, there has to be a firmware issue of some kind.

Oh I agree it's some kind of firmware issue, like I said all these played fine on the old player so not like it's out of spec or anything. But it's not like I'm going to call Sony up and complain that their player has issues playing back my BR backups.

You mention the red laser, but actually I test all my encodes first on a BD-RE before I commit them to disc. I don't think it matters.

Thanks all for your input.

[Music Fan]

No, it's not a firmware issue. Have you seen my message ?

[jdobbs]

I have the Sony 370 and it plays a lot of formats on dvd, including True HD and Dts MA (thus I guess that DD in 640k should be ok). If the audio is stuttering, the problem comes probably from the video rate. On another forum, an owner of the 370 had the same problem and solved it encoding the video at a lower rate. It's unlikely that reducing the audio by 192Kbs would fix a problem that is associated with video... that's a drop in the bucket for an HD video bitrate. But I guess anything is possible. Still, BD-RB encodes the video wll below the AVCHD specified maximum bitrate.

It could be that the drive in the S370 doesn't spin at 2x as is required...

[Music Fan]

I made a test myself this morning (non standard AVCHD made by MultiAVCHD burnt on dvd-rw) and there's no problem with DD in 640k, even with a high bitrate video (peaks at 40Mbps !) on the Sony BDP-S370. It also plays non standard formats for dvd, like Dolby True HD, Dts HR and Dts HD MA.
Thus it should work with projects made by BD-Rebuilder. So the firmware is not the cause of burticus's problem (if he has the same firmware than me).
My player's firmware is M03.R.623, which is not the last one.

[jdobbs]

I made a test myself this morning (non standard AVCHD made by MultiAVCHD burnt on dvd-rw) and there's no problem with DD in 640k, even with a high bitrate video (peaks at 40Mbps !) on the Sony BDP-S370. It also plays non standard formats for dvd, like Dolby True HD, Dts HR and Dts HD MA.
Thus it should work with projects made by BD-Rebuilder. So the firmware is not the cause of burticus's problem (if he has the same firmware than me).
My player's firmware is M03.R.623, which is not the last one.It could be a hardware problem unique to his player then...

[Music Fan]

Yes, or a problem between the player and the receiver, or an encoding problem only with this movie, ... there are many possibilities.

[Bullet1979]

So are there any players that are currently on the market that play full BD-9 discs dependably? I took a disc to Best Buy and put them in all the players they had and none of them seemed to play the disc. Granted, there was no television to fully verify and probably none of them had updated firmware, but many of them displayed an error or ejected the disc. Is the Sony BDP-S360 the best bet? I was just hoping to get a player that I'd be able to buy new with a warranty (and the newer features on recent models are always a plus).

[Music Fan]

I read that some players (like the Sony 370) can play full BD-9 discs when their authoring is in HDMV but not when it's in BD-J (Java). And some others (like the older Sony 360) can play HDMV but also BD-J on dvd (BD-5/9).

[jdobbs]

I read that some players (like the Sony 370) can play full BD-9 discs when their authoring is in HDMV but not when it's in BD-J (Java). And some others (like the older Sony 360) can play HDMV but also BD-J on dvd (BD-5/9). That's because AVCHD supports HDMV menus but not BD-J.

There are many players that support DVD-9 full backups... but with the price of BD-R's now around $1, you're much better off making bull backups to BD-R. That way you can be sure they will still work in the player you buy next time. It's probably best to reserve BD-5 and BD-9 for movie-only.

[Music Fan]

I also think that. I already said that here actually ;
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1431358#post1431358
Why do some people want to keep absolutely Java menus but accept to recompress the video to put it on dvd-9 ? The movie is more important than the menus (in my opinion). If we accept to lose video quality, we can accept to lose the menu.
BD-9 with Java menus is nearly not useful, except if the original disc contain less than 8500 Mo (the size of a dvd-9), because it allows to make an exact copy without recompression, but BD-25 with Java menus and containing less than 8500 Mo, it's has to be very rare.
That's because AVCHD supports HDMV menus but not BD-J.
Yes, but as already said, some players can play Java on dvd, thus they allow more than the norm. And if the 360 can do this, the 370 could also do this. So, it's not a question of norm, it's a choice surely linked to piracy.

[Bullet1979]

That's because AVCHD supports HDMV menus but not BD-J.

There are many players that support DVD-9 full backups... but with the price of BD-R's now around $1, you're much better off making bull backups to BD-R. That way you can be sure they will still work in the player you buy next time. It's probably best to reserve BD-5 and BD-9 for movie-only.

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each!

[JJB]

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each!

Used a bunch of these, no problems @.99 each:

http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-logo-on-top-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04lt-10-10pk

Update: .90 each today.
http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20008%203702&utm_campaign=101129%20CYBER%20MONDAY%20EXPLOSIVE%20DEALS!

[burticus]

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each!

Fry's sells the 15 packs for $20 pretty regularly now (memorex or kodak) and Amazon has them for a little more.

FYI - the Sony S370 was on sale this weekend at Target AND Best Buy for $99. I like it.

[jdobbs]

Whoa whoa whoa... where can you get BD-R's around $1? The best I can find is around $3 each! I usually get mine from Meritline.com -- they always have a few brands at around $1.00 to $1.30...

[belgab]

Hi,

Before reading this thread I was up to buying a Panasonic BDT300 (415€) (or its little brother BDT100 (215€)) but I've seen that they are not very compatible with BD-5/BD-9.

So I've started looking around and I've seen a good player from Yamaha (the S1067 @520€) or the more cheap Sony s570 (230€) and s770 (280€).

Reading that Sony is one among the best in term of compatibility with BD-5/BD-9 I'm more oriented on buying the sony S770 (The Yamaha is way too expensive, and lacks built-in WiFi)

Does anyone know how the Sony S770 and S570 compete in terms of BD-5/BD-9 compatibility?

Regards,
Gabriele

[Music Fan]

I read several times that the new Sony players (370, 470, ...) couldn't play BD-5/9 with Java menus (BD-J). It should be OK with HDMV menus and AVCHD.
The Sony 360 used to play BD-J on BD-5/9.

[jdobbs]

I read several times that the new Sony players (370, 470, ...) couldn't play BD-5/9 with Java menus (BD-J). It should be OK with HDMV menus and AVCHD.
The Sony 360 used to play BD-J on BD-5/9. The Sony BDP-S301 and BDP-S360 (both of which I own) will play all formats (BD-5/9 & BD-25 with or without BD-J).

I've also heard good things about the Samsung BD-C5900 -- as it has been reported to play all formats, and it is 3D ready. Even if you're not ready for a 3D player yet, they're generally faster and this one is relatively inexpensive.

[belgab]

Thanks for the information.

As long as I understand the major "issue" is the Java Menu, while any player compatible with AVCHD can at least run "Movie-Only" AVCHD discs, right? (so, even the "infamous" Panasonic players can at least run such kind of backups).

I can find a Samsung C5900 for about 120€, which would be a great buy compared to the others 3D players.

[Ghitulescu]

As long as I understand the major "issue" is the Java Menu, while any player compatible with AVCHD can at least run "Movie-Only" AVCHD discs, right? (so, even the "infamous" Panasonic players can at least run such kind of backups).

You have to test it yourself.

There are several threads here about certain compatibilities of certain brands and models, but the BD world is a changing world, and each firmware and/or model may change the things.

There are models that do not accept certain codecs on particular media (like VC-1 on DVDR). There are models whose FW update withdrew the ability to play certain MKVs. There are players those FW update allowed them to play HD content on DVDR media but withdrew them the ability to play certain MKVs.

So, test your future player yourself, carefully and if you like it, keep it like this (resist hard to any FW upgrade and keep yourself some copies of older FW, just in case).

[mr3p]

I have a Sony BDP-S570 and it will not play BD-9 full back-ups although will do movie only.

[Music Fan]

Are you sure you're not talking about BD-J back-ups ?

[mr3p]

Are you sure you're not talking about BD-J back-ups ?

The discs I've tried to back-up to BD9 have probably had java. Somewhere I vaguely recall reading there was a way to modify the jar folder contents to allow the discs to play, is something like this true?

[jdobbs]

The discs I've tried to back-up to BD9 have probably had java. Somewhere I vaguely recall reading there was a way to modify the jar folder contents to allow the discs to play, is something like this true?Not that I know of -- if your player doesn't support BD-J on BD-5/9 and a disc uses it, the only choice I know is to do movie-only.

[mr3p]

Not that I know of -- if your player doesn't support BD-J on BD-5/9 and a disc uses it, the only choice I know is to do movie-only.

Thanks. Thats essentially why I made the comment above that the 570 doesn't do BD9 ;)

[thghgv]

Anyone here know how this player fares with BD-5/9 and BD-J ??

[laserfan]

Does anyone here know if our BD5/9 discs with high-def content will play-back in an Apple Mac? My wife has the hots for one of the new iMacs but I understand they have only DVD ("Superdrives" indeed :p). Will these play on a Mac out-of-box? Or maybe a special player software is need for the Mac?

[jdobbs]

Anyone here know how this player fares with BD-5/9 and BD-J ?? This is a pretty late response, but I think that's the same player as a BD-5900, except it supports wireless (someone correct me if I'm wrong) -- and the BD-5900 has been reported to work with BD-J (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1541710#post1541710).

[laserfan]

Does anyone here know if our BD5/9 discs with high-def content will play-back in an Apple Mac?
Ok I guess I asked in the wrong place, tho creators of BD5/BD9 discs must know SOMEONE with a Mac? Maybe not...

Anyway I think I found my answer in that it appears no Mac has ever had Blu-ray support--Apple has never wanted to go along with Sony's licensing requirements. But apparently even the non-protected discs we make have not heretofore had player support, though lately two products have come-onto the market that probably will work, from Macgo and Aurora.

Very strange that for as innovative as Apple has been, they've never even ack-ed BD much less supported it! :bizarre:

[raul124]

Ok I know this thread it has been dead for a couple of years know, but maybe someone could answer me this question, and since Jdobbs has implemented full 3D backup, does anybody knows if what Bluray 3D players would play full BD9s/BD5s and the full 3D backups? I have the Sumsung BD-c5900 and Sumsung BD-F5900 and none of these 3D Bluray player would play Full BD-3D to a 25Gb.

[jdobbs]

It works on the Samsung BD-C5900... it played BD-5/9 and 3D with no issues. I can't test it now, however, as I gave the unit away. But the output is fully BD compliant and I'd have a hard time believing that the C5900 didn't support it

[raul124]

It works on the Samsung BD-C5900... it played BD-5/9 and 3D with no issues. I can't test it now, however, as I gave the unit away. But the output is fully BD compliant and I'd have a hard time believing that the C5900 didn't support it
The thing is, the Samsung bd-c5900 plays Bd5s/Bd9s ok but not on a 25gb for full 3D . Maybe is the media that I purchased from micro-center, (WINDATA-25GB). witch is on sale, a bundle of 25 for under $10, may I should stick with the more reliable Verbatim for 3d full backup..But for sure the Samsung BD-F5900 will not play Bd5s/Bd9s not even the BD25 full 3D.
another case could be a firmware update done on the BD-player before I purchased them in January of this year..

[jdobbs]

The thing is, the Samsung bd-c5900 plays Bd5s/Bd9s ok but not on a 25gb for full 3D . Maybe is the media that I purchased from micro-center, (WINDATA-25GB). witch is on sale, a bundle of 25 for under $10, may I should stick with the more reliable Verbatim for 3d full backup..But for sure the Samsung BD-F5900 will not play Bd5s/Bd9s not even the BD25 full 3D.
another case could be a firmware update done on the BD-player before I purchased them in January of this year..I saw some discs on sale at Micro Center recently - but they were LTH. Are those the ones you got? It will say LTH on the label of the spindle somewhere. There are numerous issues reported with LTH (that's why I don't buy them), but I don't know if any of them relate to 3D playback. I do know that some players won't play them at all.

[raul124]

I saw some discs on sale at Micro Center recently - but they were LTH. Are those the ones you got? It will say LTH on the label of the spindle somewhere. There are numerous issues reported with LTH (that's why I don't buy them), but I don't know if any of them relate to 3D playback. I do know that some players won't play them at all.
No, I was also thinking of buying them, and did not because some people were having problem with them, the one's that I'm talking about is the WINDATA blue discs, they are dirt cheap, i have use these WINDATA disc in the past without a problem, but with your new full 3D implementation they are giving me a problem of late, I'll just have to use them for regular bluray backups and use verbatim for full 3D.. on a side note: those anyone knows witch 3D bluray player would plays the bd5s/bd9s and 3d 25s..thanks Jdobbs

[jdobbs]

I have a Sony BDP-BX510 and it plays BD-5/9 and 3D BD-25 with no problems. I got it on sale for $69 at Costco.

[raul124]

I have a Sony BDP-BX510 and it plays BD-5/9 and 3D BD-25 with no problems. I got it on sale for $69 at Costco.
Thanks Jdobbs: is it pre-cinivia?, I'll give it a check on Ebay

[jdobbs]

Thanks Jdobbs: is it pre-cinivia?, I'll give it a check on EbayNo. There are so few cinavia titles that I pretty much just ignore it. I backup movies and watch them all the time -- and I have yet to run into a cinavia notice. But I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.

The problem with getting anything that is pre-cinavia is that they are old, have slow processors, fewer features, and are generally disappointing. JMHO. I like to use my standalone for Netflix & Hulu, and I also have a small hard drive attached to the USB port with all my music on it.

At some point when cinavia gets more common, I would expect someone to conquer it. Right now the incentive just isn't there. If a player's software can recognize it and respond, then so can other software. A little reverse engineering will eventually happen. But BD-RB can't do it -- as it could be considered circumventing copy protection, and I can't go near that.

[Ghitulescu]

The problem with getting anything that is pre-cinavia is that they are old, have slow processors, fewer features, and are generally disappointing.
Older generations are indeed slower (my Pioneer BDP-51FD needs some 40-60 seconds to load a java menu, while a younger LG 370 needs only a couple of seconds). But this is only a question of java.
I also found that the very first generations of players were more solidly built than the newer ones, and this trend seemed to continued over time. This was also noticed from the price, now a player can cost as much as two (2) BDR at their introduction on the market. But BD specs are moving, so these may not be able to play eg DTS HD MA or TrueHD, although some FW upgrades have been issued since.
I frankly do not understand the need for java, from the user point of view of course. Surely, some animated menus can be better achieved with java, also customised ones. But the whole reason for buying a BD is actually the movie. Not the menus. I understand that for many the newer a movie is the better :), but having to wait 30 seconds for each click to change the audio or the subtitles (because the PUOs prevent me from using the dedicated button on the remote controller and have to do this via menus) is too much. Besides, many java menus I've seen are childish, and they could have been nicer and better made via BDMV commands, like the good ole DVD. The only menu I have a certain use is the chapter menu, but it's also not essential, as long as chapter points are present and the PUOs do not prevent from jumping on a specific location.

On most of my copies I remove the menu/s and the PUOs.

And so far cinavia may be (for now) circumvented by moving the videos on another medium which is not covered by the AACS licence. I also stored a reserve BD player for the future, so my BDRs are not affected for a good period of time, hopefully.