List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[Furiousflea]

I have not included BD25 support in this post because it appears that the majority of players will play a BD-R fully with menus etc without any problems.
If you have a player that won't - Please post the details.

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

This is a thread to help people with playback of BD-Rebuilder output.
There is dispute over whether BD-Rebuilder output is "true" BD-ROM structure

If you have personally verified a player to work, then please post the details being as specific as possible...


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Fully Disc


Denon BD-3800
Samsung BD-P1500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung BD-P2500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550*



Movie Only


Insignia N5-BRDVD\2BRDVD
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Magnavox NB500MG9
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic BD10\BD30\BD35\BD50\BD55 (If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu)
Philips BDP 7200
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BD-P1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung BD-P1600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory)
Samsung BD-P2550
Samsung BD-P3600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDAYA directory)
Sony BDP-BX1
Sony PS3 (All versions)
Tvix HD-6500A (Needs firmware change\will play menus that aren't Java\do thread search for more info)






Not Compatible


Samsung BD-P1000
Sharp BD-HP20U
Sharp BD-HP21U




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*Rumours of titles from Universal Studios having issues on these players.
However GaPony who owns an BDP-S550 has reported no problems at all, and has done a good dozen of these allegedly problematic discs...
*Update : I'm thinking this is related to complex BD-J menus and that something is not being updated corectly during the Rebuilld phase of BD-Rebuilder but this is a guess at the moment.
*Update 2 : Seems to be more and more discs with PIP tracks are showing problems.
It would appear that Universal has the majority of its discs released with these tracks since they are often straight ports from the HD DVD version when it was a sole supporter of the format
(PIP playback was mandatory on all HD DVD players and not on Bluray which explains this).

more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated

[jwgallardo]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

[drmih]

Do we need some clarification as clearly the PS3 doesn't support bd-9 except in Data mode or if the disc is AVCHD (which isn't bd-9).

However, I can confirm that the Sony BDP-S550 is also compatible.

[mochevolete]

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others :)

[turbojet]

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

[Furiousflea]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

[Furiousflea]

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

Thank you for your post.

I have read mixed reports on those players, with only jdobbs being 100% certain his player supports everything.

With this thread I'm hoping for people who have successfully played full backups will post and hopefully we can find another decent player.

Will update the OP

Cheers, Rob

[Furiousflea]

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others :)

Absolutely :) will do

[drmih]

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

[Furiousflea]

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

Sorry missed that bit, updated now :)

[jwgallardo]

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

I'll check with PS3 when my sister come back from a trip where she bring the PS3.

Regarding Denon BD-3800, I confirm working perfect with BD9 and BD5 in Full Movie mode. I'm pretty sure also works for Movie Only as it worked with BD-RB v0.17.13. Unfortunately it is not working with v0.18.X as now. I reported back to Jdobbs.

[GaPony]

You don't need to check your sister's PS3... It doesn't support BD5 or BD9 copies. It will play an AVCHD disc, or it will even play a standalone .m2ts file... so you can copy just the main .m2ts files from your BD5 and BD9 copies onto a disc by themselves, or even put multiple ones onto larger discs if you want, but you can't play the BD5 & BD9 discs themselves.

[Furiousflea]

Thank you all :)

[turbojet]

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30
Panasonic BD35 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Panasonic BD50
Panasonic BD55 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

[GZZ]

What is the diffrence between AVCHD BD9 and Bluray BD9 ?

As far as I can see the java part is the only difference. The BD9 I have done looks pretty simular to a Bluray except for the missing menu and java. Its got multiple audio/subs.

[KarstenS]

Fully Compatible: Sony BDP-S350

[turbojet]

Oh ya Sony BDP-S500 should be in fully compatible too.

GZZ: From what I see they are commonly referred to as being the same. The few different AVCHD camera streams I've seen has had this stucture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AVCHD_actual_file_structure.jpg) which is all I refer to as AVCHD. Everything outputted by tsmuxer, tsremux, BD-RB is BD to me because its identical to BD's structure for the most part. Outside of the commercial software that produce identical output from BD and AVCHD (depending on software) you have AVCHDme which changes the structure from what I refer to as BD to AVCHD and AVCHD-Patcher which changes a retail index.bdmv to what tsmuxer outputs. People's opinions on what is AVCHD and what is BD will differ a lot. What's discussed in this thread can surpass AVCHD specs (http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html).

[archaeo]

Looks like there may be a lot of conflicting 'opinions' on what works and what doesn't...

[Furiousflea]

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD35 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD50 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD55 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info :)

[drmih]

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.

[alluringreality]

want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD+\-R\DL.

The PS3 probably needs a qualifier to be listed as filling this intent. The PS3 only plays actual Blu-ray files on DVD media in file mode. The PS3 needs the AVCHD information in index.bdmv to play Blu-ray related files on writable DVD like other video discs.

NOTE: tsMuxer and TsRemux "Blu-ray" for example have the AVCHD info in the index.bdmv and play as a video disc on the PS3, because they're based on Nero's AVCHD files.

[GaPony]

The PS3 probably needs a qualifier to be listed as filling this intent. The PS3 only plays actual Blu-ray files on DVD media in file mode. The PS3 needs the AVCHD information in index.bdmv to play Blu-ray related files on writable DVD like other video discs.

NOTE: tsMuxer and TsRemux "Blu-ray" for example have the AVCHD info in the index.bdmv and play as a video disc on the PS3, because they're based on Nero's AVCHD files.

You can actually copy just the 00001.m2ts file to a UDF 2.5 DVD and it will play on the PS3. You don't have chapters, menus, etc, but it plays fine without all the additional files and folders required for an accepted AVHCD disc. I have found this to be helpful on a few problematic movies.

I'm not sure I would place the PS3 on any compatibility list for BD-9 or BD-5 because of its very narrow range of playability... Full BD-25, AVCHD, and single file playback.

[turbojet]

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info :)

Don't know what you want for confirmation. I checked all of these in a store with a BD produced by RipBot264 which is pretty close to being identical to BD-RB movie only output except RipBot264 uses b-pyramid and higher vbv bitrates which you'd think would reduce the compatability if anything. I have only tested an AVCHD stream from a camera on Panasonic BD30 and it worked.

I don't convert encoded movie only BD's to AVCHD since I don't see the point in the extra work and I'd have to ditch DTS if I did.

There's also some threads on the Samsung and Panasonic players on this forum. AVSForum has info for alot more of the players but not really from an encoding standpoint. Mainly the playability of AVCHD.

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.

[GZZ]

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.


I got a Tvix HD-6500A and install the bluray lite beta firmware for it and it dosnt like the CLPI file if it has been fixed with fixclpi, but it works just fine with the output from tsmuxer. It also play the menu on blurays (but it dont support java menu).

[Furiousflea]

Don't know what you want for confirmation. I checked all of these in a store with a BD produced by RipBot264 which is pretty close to being identical to BD-RB movie only output except RipBot264 uses b-pyramid and higher vbv bitrates which you'd think would reduce the compatability if anything. I have only tested an AVCHD stream from a camera on Panasonic BD30 and it worked.

I don't convert encoded movie only BD's to AVCHD since I don't see the point in the extra work and I'd have to ditch DTS if I did.

There's also some threads on the Samsung and Panasonic players on this forum. AVSForum has info for alot more of the players but not really from an encoding standpoint. Mainly the playability of AVCHD.

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.

Thanks just needed to be sure :)

[yonexsp]

Anyone know f the VisionQuest VQM-1000 is compatible?

[GaPony]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

[Furiousflea]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

Thanks buddy, I also got me hands on an S550 the other day :) Only done a few full backups so far but they've all worked flawlessly except "The Matrix"...I suspect the problem is BD-Rebuilder (everthing plays fine but no sound\subs on main feature either play and are not selectable via remote)

EDIT - updated OP thanks GaPony :)

Everyone else!!!!

Please give a minute of your time to help others and post your results with the fabulous BD-Rebuilder.

(thank you!)

[jdobbs]

Hmm... I did the Matrix (NTSC) without any issues -- but it was several versions back. I'll give it a test run.

[drmih]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

Could you confirm whether any of the titles you have done had DTS-HD XLL as the main audio. The ones I mentioned (The Mummy, Bourne Trilogy) all had this in common (as well as being Universal)? BD-RB is obvioulsy processing the audio as it's there when played on the PC. The problem I see is the one FuriousFlea mentions regarding The Matrix.

[GaPony]

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, was among that list. If you, or anyone else, could post a list of "suspect movies, I'll be glad to run or rerun any that I have and post the log results. All my Full Movie copies have used the defaults provided by BD-Rebuilder, unless LPCM was the default audio, then I changed it as I haven't had alot of luck with LPCM... but I haven't checked to see if its working better in the last few updates.

[Furiousflea]

The Matrix is from Warner Bros, I think just an fyi.

...So could be just bad luck and nothing even to do with Universal Studio titles?

Maybe something to do with the way playlists are being handles from a complex BD-J menu?

(just a guess lol)

[GaPony]

I don't have The Matrix, but I think I know somebody who does. I'll try to borrow it.

You are copying to BD9 or BD25...just so we're on the same sheet of music..

[drmih]

The ones I mentioned were all bd-9.

[Capsbackup]

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.
I have had this same issue on my Sony BDP-BX1, with Scorpion King and U571, and those were both DTS-HD Master Audio, and most recently X-Files 2, which has 2 versions of the movie on the disc. Theatrical version plays back fine with audio, but Extended version has no audio or subs. Batman Begins was also played back with no audio heard, but it was Dolby TrueHD. These were burned to DVD-5 media. However, when I burned these same exact backups to BD-RE, all audio played back perfect. So for myself, the issue is only on DVD media.

[jdobbs]

I have had this same issue on my Sony BDP-BX1, with Scorpion King and U571, and those were both DTS-HD Master Audio, and most recently X-Files 2, which has 2 versions of the movie on the disc. Theatrical version plays back fine with audio, but Extended version has no audio or subs. Batman Begins was also played back with no audio heard, but it was Dolby TrueHD. These were burned to DVD-5 media. However, when I burned these same exact backups to BD-RE, all audio played back perfect. So for myself, the issue is only on DVD media. That's interesting. The exact same audio played back on BD-RE but not BD-5? That certainly makes you wonder.

Did you keep them in their original format, or was it reencoded to AC3 (the default)?

[Furiousflea]

I don't have The Matrix, but I think I know somebody who does. I'll try to borrow it.

You are copying to BD9 or BD25...just so we're on the same sheet of music..

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.

As I said, ALL extras\menus\audio\subs\etc work EXCEPT the main movie. I've tried changing audio tracks and subs in the menu but no sound\subs are visible for the main movie no matter what you do. Presseng the "audio" button on the remote and nothing happens (no tracks appear).

Oh, the only things I have stripped are 3 of the 4 commentry tracks and the foreign language subs (all english subs are still on my BD9)

When I run the main m2ts through tsmuxer I can see that all trakcs are present and correct as they should be.

The orignal audio for the main feature is TrueHD -> encoded to 640k in BD-Rebuilder.

EDIT - I used an older version of BD-Rebuilder 0.17.11 (think is was .11 but it was defo 0.17.xx) This is the latest version that keeps subs, I'm sorry I'm using an older version but since sub stripping isn't possible on newer versions it would be impossible to do a full rip without stripping foreign langage subs (around 1GB of sub data on the original BD!!!)

[jdobbs]

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. Too much wasted room on subs.

[Furiousflea]

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. Too much wasted room on subs.

:) Donation on the way very shortly for your great work Mr Dobbs.

Just sent you $10 sorry it's not much but I don't wanna go overdrawn!

Keep up the good work, your the only guy I've ever donated money to in years (twice including DVD-RB~)

Your work is much appreciated.

[Capsbackup]

Did you keep them in their original format, or was it reencoded to AC3 (the default)?
It was reencoded to AC3, the default, 448kbps I believe. On X-Files 2, the AC3 was at 640kbps.

[jdobbs]

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.

As I said, ALL extras\menus\audio\subs\etc work EXCEPT the main movie. I've tried changing audio tracks and subs in the menu but no sound\subs are visible for the main movie no matter what you do. Presseng the "audio" button on the remote and nothing happens (no tracks appear).

Oh, the only things I have stripped are 3 of the 4 commentry tracks and the foreign language subs (all english subs are still on my BD9)

When I run the main m2ts through tsmuxer I can see that all trakcs are present and correct as they should be.

The orignal audio for the main feature is TrueHD -> encoded to 640k in BD-Rebuilder.

EDIT - I used an older version of BD-Rebuilder 0.17.11 (think is was .11 but it was defo 0.17.xx) This is the latest version that keeps subs, I'm sorry I'm using an older version but since sub stripping isn't possible on newer versions it would be impossible to do a full rip without stripping foreign langage subs (around 1GB of sub data on the original BD!!!) I've added the capability to remove subs in the next release. The exception is what it determines to be probable MENU files (usually smaller M2TS files that have certain telltale settings in the MPLS).

[GaPony]

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.


I'll be able to get all three Matrix movies and all three Bourne movies to play with. I'll pick them up from him on Monday and run The Matrix first..

Do I need 17.11 or will 17.13 work? I have all versions installed, so it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to try to duplicate the conditions that you worked under.

[jdobbs]

???? You should only be using v0.18.09. I can think of no reason why you'd want to use those old versions. I'll let you know how it comes out -- but I'm pretty confident that the new one will work fine.

If you wait until tomorrow, you may be able to use v0.18.10 -- and it will allow you to remove subs.

[Furiousflea]

I'll be able to get all three Matrix movies and all three Bourne movies to play with. I'll pick them up from him on Monday and run The Matrix first..

Do I need 17.11 or will 17.13 work? I have all versions installed, so it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to try to duplicate the conditions that you worked under.

Sound good :) ...I'd do what the chief say ^ :p and wait till tomorrow and try the latest version as like jdobbs says it will allow subs removal which was my only reason for using the old 0.17 releases.

Thanks for your work, would be nice to clear up.

[GaPony]

So long as I can try to duplicate your results... I'd much rather use the current version, otherwise its of no value to the beta testing itself. It will be a couple days before I get my hands on the movies anyway... Maybe I'll give my computer the day off tomorrow, its been running BD-Rebuilder almost around the clock since Dec 26th. I've probably run 200 sessions in different configurations, but I think I'm starting to get a handle on it. :)

[Furiousflea]

So long as I can try to duplicate your results... I'd much rather use the current version, otherwise its of no value to the beta testing itself. It will be a couple days before I get my hands on the movies anyway... Maybe I'll give my computer the day off tomorrow, its been running BD-Rebuilder almost around the clock since Dec 26th. I've probably run 200 sessions in different configurations, but I think I'm starting to get a handle on it. :)

Completely agree, that was my sentiment too. :)

[tyau]

i HAVE A sHARP BD-HP21U. It is not compatible with any backed up disc. None whatsoever. Discs with menu, movie only, BD5, nor BD9. It is very restrictive, applicable to all versions of firmware.

As mentioned, Sony's S550 plays Movie-Only BD5, full movie, and otherwise.

[Furiousflea]

i HAVE A sHARP BD-HP21U. It is not compatible with any backed up disc. None whatsoever. Discs with menu, movie only, BD5, nor BD9. It is very restrictive, applicable to all versions of firmware.

As mentioned, Sony's S550 plays Movie-Only BD5, full movie, and otherwise.

Thanks, added :)

[tyau]

Hey Furiousflea,

It is indicated that the Denon BD-3800 is "Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)"

Does that mean it plays all formats of BR-RB processed discs? Such as Full-backup or movie-only backup? A friend wants to purchase a BD-3800 and he wants to make sure that this player works with movie-only discs and full backup discs.

Thanks.

[Furiousflea]

Hey Furiousflea,

It is indicated that the Denon BD-3800 is "Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)"

Does that mean it plays all formats of BR-RB processed discs? Such as Full-backup or movie-only backup? A friend wants to purchase a BD-3800 and he wants to make sure that this player works with movie-only discs and full backup discs.

Thanks.

Hi there, yes it should be fully compatible with ALL content on BD5\9. That is what has been reported, I just update the list when someone posts. So what I'm saying is that I can't guarantee it will be trouble free but at least 1 person who I think sounds plausable has said it does.