TsRemux v0.21.2: Transport Stream De/Re-muxer

[musicman2311]

question to the experts - can it be that AVC from HD DVD is also incompatible with Blu-ray (like DD+ and AC3) ?
Any advice ?

thanks

add on: error message from authoring tool - any advice is appreciated

Error Content: Value of Gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag is not supported in the BD standard

[B4tm4n]

The MP2TSME files are always oversized. It also seems no solution for really problematic files. Sometimes the result isn't playable as well (picture just hangs) :-(


Ok then I got acouple of replies on how to use this app from www.abhdtv.net.

PESalign to "yes" is all that is needed.




use all defaults except for PESAlign set to yes in all cases. So a generic config file like this should suffice:


#% Manzanita Systems MP2TSMS Demo V2.14.0 DEMO Configuration File

# Transport Section
Transport*
File = d:\tx\targetFile.ts

# Program Section
Program1*

# Video Subsection
Video1$
File = mySource.m2v
PESalign = Yes

# Audio Subsection
Audio1$
File = mySource.ac3
PESalign = Yes


http://www.abhdtv.net/forum/showthread.php?p=69030#post69030

I don't know wether you have to register on the forum to see the posts, but I've included the link anyway.

[survivant]

@B4tm4n

I try MP2TSME but the fileout size is out of range.. more than 6 gigs for a 1gigs h264 input file.

maybe Procoder 3 is able to do that.. but I'm not able to find a demo of trial that we can save file.

[drmpeg]

add on: error message from authoring tool - any advice is appreciated

Error Content: Value of Gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag is not supported in the BD standard
The gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag in the SPS must be set to 0 for Blu-ray H.264 streams.

I'm not exactly sure why an encoder would want to use gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag = 1. It appears to be a way to exclude a picture from being a reference picture.

Ron

[drmpeg]

@B4tm4n

I try MP2TSME but the fileout size is out of range.. more than 6 gigs for a 1gigs h264 input file.

It's probably just creating a T-STD compliant Transport Stream. This means that the overall Transport Stream rate must be higher than the peak video rate + audio rate + PES overhead + PSI overhead. So if your video is 6 Mbps average, but 24 Mbps peak, then the TS rate must be over 24 Mbps.

In addition, it probably determines peak bitrate by examining the VBV (CPB for H.264). If your H.264 elementary stream has CPB violations, then the mux rate will be artificially high.

Ron

[survivant]

@drmpeg

thanks for the explanation.

[survivant]

Did someone be able to get H264 working for the PS3 into a .ts ?

There is a program mkv2ts that seem to work for freeHDbox, but not for the PS3 :(

[KoD]

I see people have still not understood ts is meant for streaming and it's not a storage container. You need to live with random seeking issues and file oversize if you want to use it.

[enjoyer]

I see people have still not understood ts is meant for streaming and it's not a storage container. You need to live with random seeking issues and file oversize if you want to use it.

vlc-20061014 can remux (1280x720@25) mkv to ts without enlarging the file size!!


after remux the file plays fine in vlc but not on ps3...

but I guess it might be possible to remux mkv to ts without a increase

[musicman2311]

The gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag in the SPS must be set to 0 for Blu-ray H.264 streams.

I'm not exactly sure why an encoder would want to use gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag = 1. It appears to be a way to exclude a picture from being a reference picture.

Ron

thanks, I derived the AVC stream from evodemux - would it help if evodemux automatically clears that bit while de-muxing ?

[survivant]

Did someone try the software DoStudio MX ? Suppose to authoring Blu-ray

[Bugh]

"Lethal.Weapon.Blu-Ray.1080p.VC-1.DDPlus.5.1" was the name of the release I tried it with, It is labled wrong then if it doesn't have DD+.
The point I was making was the PS3 can't play VC1 from the XMB, but if you use TsRemux to split up the file into dvd size chunks and use the Blu-ray output then you can burn the files to disc and play them on your PS3, with VC1 video.
When you split ts and remux it to DVD, PS3 recognizes them as AVCHD, but in AVCHD specification is written that it does not support VC-1 codec. Only AVC and mpeg. So i can't understand how you did it.
Btw, also AVCHD doesn't support dts (http://www.avchd-info.org/press/20060713.html)
P.S. But, BluRay supports both (VC-1 and dts), so as i understand, if you burn BluRay disk, and then PS3 should recognize it as BDMV and plays correctly. Am i wrong?

[Creator1]

When you split ts and remux it to DVD, PS3 recognizes them as AVCHD, but in AVCHD specification is written that it does not support VC-1 codec. Only AVC and mpeg. So i can't understand how you did it.
Btw, also AVCHD doesn't support dts (http://www.avchd-info.org/press/20060713.html)
P.S. But, BluRay supports both (VC-1 and dts), so as i understand, if you burn BluRay disk, and then PS3 should recognize it as BDMV and plays correctly. Am i wrong?

I did some tests this week-end and I successfully burned a VC1 video and DTS 1.5Mbps audio on a BD-R in BDMV format and it played flawlessly on the PS3. So yes, it works for sure. Firmware 1.9.

[enjoyer]

is it possible to burn a dvd which is recognised as "BDMV" and not "AVCHD" on the ps3???

[musicman2311]

is it possible to burn a dvd which is recognised as "BDMV" and not "AVCHD" on the ps3???

I did - works for me.

however I used DVD-RW to be precise and I set UDF 2.6
(not 2.5)

[enjoyer]

I did - works for me.

however I used DVD-RW to be precise and I set UDF 2.6
(not 2.5)

hmm I tried that but ps3 says AVCHD???

[lance79]

Hi, i am trying to convert a avc/ac3 movie to bluray with tsremux for my PS3

Source is 1280x544@23.976 (meGUI encoded)

At the moment the only way to do this is by converting the h264/AC3 stream to 1280x720@25fps

Then after i fixed the movie with h264info (without changing any settings) i can load it into tsremux and create a bluray output with it without any errors.

Normal mp4 files do play on the ps3 with on 544 resolution without surround sound.
So my question is, Would it be possible to have 1280x544/720@23.976 support in tsremux?

Thx...

[hollydoc]

Originally Posted by musicman2311
I did - works for me.

however I used DVD-RW to be precise and I set UDF 2.6
(not 2.5)

Do you have an US -PS3 or Europe Version? What version of Firmware is on the PS3?

Hollydoc

[musicman2311]

Do you have an US -PS3 or Europe Version? What version of Firmware is on the PS3?

Hollydoc

i have us PS3 with firmware 1.9

[enjoyer]

i have us PS3 with firmware 1.9

and you only burnt the bdmv folder with udf 2.60? and did you use the latest tsremux version?

[drmpeg]

thanks, I derived the AVC stream from evodemux - would it help if evodemux automatically clears that bit while de-muxing ?
Maybe. It depends on what your particular decoder does when it encounters non-contiguous frame numbers. When gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag = 0 and there are gaps in frame numbers, the decoder thinks there's an unintentional loss of pictures. The decoder may take some recovery action, or it may not do anything at all.

Therefore, I'd have to say that setting the gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag equal to zero in all SPS headers would be a good experiment to try.

Ron

[hidef_rec]

enjoyer, I also get AVCHD instead of BDMV when I use the latest TSRemux. I have a PS3 w/1.9 firmware. I used an MPEG2 file & the TSRemux Blu-ray output [BDMV & Certificate folders] burned to DVD-R, +R or +RW get recognized as AVCHD by the PS3. Don't have a -RW disc to try.

[musicman2311]

enjoyer, I also get AVCHD instead of BDMV when I use the latest TSRemux. I have a PS3 w/1.9 firmware. I used an MPEG2 file & the TSRemux Blu-ray output [BDMV & Certificate folders] burned to DVD-R, +R or +RW get recognized as AVCHD by the PS3. Don't have a -RW disc to try.

ok, i understand - i checked - ps3 indicates it found an avchd disk when i insert the recording - material however is 1080p and just run through tsremux - what is the problem if any ?

[hollydoc]

I also get AVCHD instead of BDMV when I use the latest TSRemux

This is normal, dmz1 has insert a Flag in TSRemux 018 for Nero Vision AVCHD for Bluray remux, my question is, when i remux a full movie with TSRemux 018 and burn on a BD-R/E ,what effect has it on PS3 is The result a playable BDMV or a "Big" AVCHD?
Anyone has test this?
Another Question , a Mini-Bluray (DVD9) from TSRemux018 plays fine on PS3, has anyone test it on a Standalone Bluray-Player?

Hollydoc

[musicman2311]

This is normal, dmz1 has insert a Flag in TSRemux 018 for Nero Vision AVCHD for Bluray remux, my question is, when i remux a full movie with TSRemux 018 and burn on a BD-R/E ,what effect has it on PS3 is The result a playable BDMV or a "Big" AVCHD?
Anyone has test this?
Another Question , a Mini-Bluray (DVD9) from TSRemux018 plays fine on PS3, has anyone test it on a Standalone Bluray-Player?

Hollydoc

hi I also made a BD-R with Tsremux 018 same way as I made the DVD-RW, but with udf 2.5 (if that makes a difference).
that shows as Bd-r / bdm when inserted in ps3.
I will test dvd9 soon

[hollydoc]

Try this with TSRemux 0.17, the only one differenz to 018 is, the Flag for AVCHD in the 018 version. AVCHD is a standard for DVD9 , i think not for Bluray, can you test please the follwing procedur:

-Remux a Bluray with TSRemux 0.17
- Burn a BD-R/E with Nero in UDF 2.5
-
I think, i is the Problen that AVCHD is not posible on BD-R but only on DVD9

Hollydoc

PS Ican`t test it , ihavn`t a Bluray burner, but i want to buy one in the next time.

[Bigmango]

AVCHD is a standard for DVD9

It works also on single layer DVD+-R/RW (DVD5).

[hollydoc]

It works also on single layer DVD+-R/RW (DVD5).

Yes, but it seems it works not on BD-R. I remember, in the version 017 a remuxt Bluray works on BD-R, the PS3 show
BDMV, bat not on DVD+R( Datadisk).dzm1 has chance anythig in the index.bdmv, now in the version 018 it wprks fine on DVD+R/W , PS3 shows AVCHD, but not on BD-R ( Datadisk.

Ithink , the Problem is the changed index.bdmv.Try to use version 017 for BD-R.

Hollydoc

[Bigmango]

Yes, but it seems it works not on BD-R. I remember, in the version 017 a remuxt Bluray works on BD-R, the PS3 show
BDMV, bat not on DVD+R( Datadisk).dzm1 has chance anythig in the index.bdmv, now in the version 018 it wprks fine on DVD+R/W , PS3 shows AVCHD, but not on BD-R ( Datadisk.

Ithink , the Problem is the changed index.bdmv.Try to use version 017 for BD-R.

Hollydoc

Oh ok.

So you mean that on DVD5 you are limited to 1080i and 2 audio formats due to avchd (supports 1080i max) but no bdvm support ?

[Has123]

My understanding is AVCHD enables a BD structure be burnt on DVD 5 or 9 R or RW and other portable media. The AVCHD has the limitations in this link http://www.avchd-info.org/press/20060713.html . ( no VC1 and max is 1080i/60 and 1080p/24). I do not have a BD writer but others reported that burning the BDMV folder on a bluray disc the PS3 will recognize it as BD.

[Bugh]

Hi, i am trying to convert a avc/ac3 movie to bluray with tsremux for my PS3

Source is 1280x544@23.976 (meGUI encoded)

At the moment the only way to do this is by converting the h264/AC3 stream to 1280x720@25fps

Then after i fixed the movie with h264info (without changing any settings) i can load it into tsremux and create a bluray output with it without any errors.

Normal mp4 files do play on the ps3 with on 544 resolution without surround sound.
So my question is, Would it be possible to have 1280x544/720@23.976 support in tsremux?

Thx...
If u burn it as AVCHD, the video stream must be 1280×720, 1920×1080 or 1440×1080 (it's written in AVCHD specification). Otherwise there will be green line (Also i have problem with video-audio synchronization)

[Creator1]

My understanding is AVCHD enables a BD structure be burnt on DVD 5 or 9 R or RW and other portable media. The AVCHD has the limitations in this link http://www.avchd-info.org/press/20060713.html . ( no VC1 and max is 1080i/60 and 1080p/24). I do not have a BD writer but others reported that burning the BDMV folder on a bluray disc the PS3 will recognize it as BD.

It has been some weeks since I did my tests with TSRemux 0.18 but from what I remember, creating a Blu-Ray structure with TSRemux 0.18 and then burning that structure to a BD-RE resulted in a BDMV being detected by the PS3 and the video played perfectly. It was not recognized as an AVCHD on a BD-RE disc but as a BDMV.

[hollydoc]

Originally Posted by Has123
My understanding is AVCHD enables a BD structure be burnt on DVD 5 or 9 R or RW and other portable media. The AVCHD has the limitations in this link http://www.avchd-info.org/press/20060713.html . ( no VC1 and max is 1080i/60 and 1080p/24). I do not have a BD writer but others reported that burning the BDMV folder on a bluray disc the PS3 will recognize it as BD

I`have testet MPEG2, AVC(H264) and VC-1 from Buray (1080/24P!) ans Ac3-, HAlf-DTS- and Full-DTS-Sound. PS3 plays all fine in 24p and 5.1 from a AVCHD ( DVD5 and DVD9),
also VC-1 and DTS.On Problem is a high datarate over ~35Mbps and higher for mor as 30 sec. The sound begins to stuttering. The PS3 can not transfer so big datarates from a DVD. Very short pikes over 40Mbps aren`t a problem.

Hollydoc

[karollt]

How can I add subtitles for Transport Stream?

[hollydoc]

This feature isn`t workink in this time, i hope it is possible in the next versions.

Holydoc

[survivant]

I try Elecard Xmuxer Pro 2.5 to mux a H264 into a ts. I'm able to play it only with VLC. The PS3 won't play it either :(

I try to Open the .ts file into TSREmux and the .m2ts generated don't play video in VLC.

[Bigmango]

I try Elecard Xmuxer Pro 2.5 to mux a H264 into a ts. I'm able to play it only with VLC. The PS3 won't play it either :(

I try to Open the .ts file into TSREmux and the .m2ts generated don't play video in VLC.

Same problem here.

Here, xmuxer 2.5 can't even mux h264+ac3. The program hangs after 10 seconds. With xmuxer 2.2 it works fine, but the files still won't play on the ps3 (I am encoding the avc with the megui ps3 profile, which is avc level 4.1). I have tried saving the files with h264info before muxing, the result is even worse as most of the time it won't even play in vlc or nero showtime after doing this. If I don't use h264info, the tsremux blu-ray directory plays fine with nero showtime (but not on the ps3).

[Creator1]

Survivant, Bigmango,

What is your goal? If you just want to be able to play the H264 files in the PS3 dashboard, I would suggest you try to mux them into a .mp4 container. That might make it work on the PS3 dashboard. The sound will never be in 5.1 surround in the dashboard though. Only stereo is supported from the dashboard so far on the PS3.

You can use Xmuxer to mux in .mp4 (although sometimes it's grayed out for some reason or does a weird .mp4 that does not play right) or yamb, mp4box, etc. i think. I did not do much test of muxing in .mp4 without re-encoding. The only MP4 I did so far were re-encodes in H264/AAC stereo sound.

[Bigmango]

Survivant, Bigmango,

What is your goal? If you just want to be able to play the H264 files in the PS3 dashboard, I would suggest you try to mux them into a .mp4 container. That might make it work on the PS3 dashboard. The sound will never be in 5.1 surround in the dashboard though. Only stereo is supported from the dashboard so far on the PS3.

You can use Xmuxer to mux in .mp4 (although sometimes it's grayed out for some reason or does a weird .mp4 that does not play right) or yamb, mp4box, etc. i think. I did not do much test of muxing in .mp4 without re-encoding. The only MP4 I did so far were re-encodes in H264/AAC stereo sound.

Thanks for replying.

I am using mp4 (avc+aac5.1), it works fine but the sound is downmixed to stereo.

My goal is to get 5.1 ac3 sound to play and for this I am trying to output an avchd/bd structure.

[survivant]

Thanks for replying.

I am using mp4 (avc+aac5.1), it works fine but the sound is downmixed to stereo.

My goal is to get 5.1 ac3 sound to play and for this I am trying to output an avchd/bd structure.

The only think that I found to get 5.1 in TSREMUX with mpeg2 or a vob (mux by ffmpeg) but it still mpeg2 for now.

[pandy]

Size of TS can be reduced when PID 1FFE is removed.
So called stuffing is putted on PID 1FFE to make whole TS CBR - for archiving purposes stuffing may be removed without any problem (VLC normally produce TS without PID 1FFE)

[survivant]

The sound will never be in 5.1 surround in the dashboard though. Only stereo is supported from the dashboard so far on the PS3.


what do you mean by "dashboard" ?

I been able to get mpeg2+ac3 5.1 in a vob never h264.

I have a really good sound system.. I don't want to listen movies in stereo.

[survivant]

Check this post :

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1042319#post1042319

it's almost working h264 + 5.1 on the PS3

[Creator1]

what do you mean by "dashboard" ?

I been able to get mpeg2+ac3 5.1 in a vob never h264.

I have a really good sound system.. I don't want to listen movies in stereo.

I mean when you play a file in the dashboard versus when you play a BDMV or AVCHD disc that boots the PS3's blu-ray player.

The PS3 cannot play 5.1 if it does not boot the Blu-Ray software player as far as I know. I never tried to play a .VOB file in the dashboard though (the XMB = Dashboard by the way) so maybe that works but I doubt it? It's been known that the PS3 stays in stereo always if you don't find a way to make it boot it's blu-ray software player... but maybe I am mistaking for .VOB files. I have a .mpg MPEG-2 file with 5.1 AC3 sound coming from a DVD on my PS3 and when I start the file it plays in stereo.

Your best hope if you don't have a blu-ray burner is to make an AVCHD structure work on a DVD-R disc. BDMV works perectly on a BD-R discs but you need to have a compliant AVC file if you do not want to re-encode.

[survivant]

I have a .mpg MPEG-2 file with 5.1 AC3 sound coming from a DVD on my PS3 and when I start the file it plays in stereo.

I'll check more this weekend. In the AVCHD structure I been able to get the DTS flag on my sound system, but no sound was coming out. I think it the bluray player that had problems to read fast enough the DVD-RW.

I'll try with another dvd.

If the sound is downmix to stereo, my sound system do a really godd job to recreate the surround effet..

ya.. I'll test with a good 5.1 DVD and reencode it and try it in vob+5.1 to listen the difference.. maybe my speakers are not good enough :(

[Bigmango]

The PS3 cannot play 5.1 if it does not boot the Blu-Ray software player as far as I know.

According to the many reports from other users, yes it does, over hdmi but not over the optical output.

It seems that the ps3 media player is sending the sound (5.1 aac, ac3,...) as multichannel pcm. This works if you have connected the receiver with hdmi, but it doesn't with the optical output (optical does not support the multichannel pcm bandwidth, only stereo).

[Has123]

According to the many reports from other users, yes it does, over hdmi but not over the optical output.

It seems that the ps3 media player is sending the sound (5.1 aac, ac3,...) as multichannel pcm. This works if you have connected the receiver with hdmi, but it doesn't with the optical output (optical does not support the multichannel pcm bandwidth, only stereo).

I do not have an HDMI receiver but if you can point me to a review or a report of what you are saying I'll go buy one today. Thanks,

[Creator1]

According to the many reports from other users, yes it does, over hdmi but not over the optical output.

It seems that the ps3 media player is sending the sound (5.1 aac, ac3,...) as multichannel pcm. This works if you have connected the receiver with hdmi, but it doesn't with the optical output (optical does not support the multichannel pcm bandwidth, only stereo).

That's an interesting thing to know. Thanks for the infos. If what you say is true, it surely explain why it doesn't work for me (optical). I know PCM can't pass through optical but I didn't knew the PS3 was sending all in LPCM to the amp. My PS3 settings are in bitstream so I find that weird. Maybe they added an option since then that permits to force bitstream 5.1 even in the dashboard of the PS3? I will check but I don't think they added that yet. I guess they simply force it to LPCM all the time, which is a bad move imho.

[Bigmango]

@ Has123 & Creator1

Yes I am on optical too.

I have seen this confirmed by several users on the official English or French PS3 forum sections (ps3 forums on playstation.com) as well as on several other forums and web sites. If you search google you should find it.

[survivant]

I'm optical too, because my sound system support HMDI.. but it's only a video passtrough :( So I have the video in HDMI, but my sound it optical ...

It won't be cheap an amp with HDMI audio. I have Onkyo SR505. If someone can confirm that 5.1 works perfectly with HDMI.. I'll change.