DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta v0.46) Comments and Suggestions

[wmansir]

Originally posted by Nedfu
Does this mean that if I set the CCE option to do "4" passes it really does just 3? Picking 2 would be only 1 pass?

CCE does not count it's initial "1st pass", which is an infomation gathering pass. So if you go into the CCE settings page and tell it to do 3 passes it will actually run 4 passes.

Most people here go with the CCE count, so when they say they ran a 3 pass encode, they are not counting the 1st pass. RB counts that first pass.

[gvittoz]

I'tried with CCE 2.66 trial version and i take ECLCCE in the directory of CCE
I Give the application path for CCE SP the ECLCCE.exe
and run it in the 2 differents mode (one click or 3 clicks)
Always the same CCE run very fast and after when it rebuild
error n° 0004 buffer under stop

Am I wrong with ECLCCE ???
I'm sorry for my english but I don't understand all

Thank you for your work and for your help

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
CCE does not count it's initial "1st pass", which is an infomation gathering pass. So if you go into the CCE settings page and tell it to do 3 passes it will actually run 4 passes.

Most people here go with the CCE count, so when they say they ran a 3 pass encode, they are not counting the 1st pass. RB counts that first pass. The reason I do this is to make this accurate. For example -- when any other encoder (e.g. QuEnc) says it is doing 2 passes it actually does the first scan followed by one actual encoding pass. I don't know why CCE doesn't count the first pass, it has a lot of strange settings (like the way it does TFF).

[nwg]

gvittoz wrote,

but I try many possibilities
I reinstall all and always the same thing
"AVS File is not outputing
(Use ConvertToYV12()at end of script)"

I don't understand what is wrong


Try this. I had the same thing.

I selected Rejig or CCE in DVD RB.

I put QuEnc in the same folder as DVD RB then changed the path in the DVD RV setup.

Then Select QuEnc in DVD RB and try again to make a DVD.

I also couldn't get Rejig to work unless it was also in the DVD RB directory.

[gvittoz]

I try but it don't work
thanks for the answer

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
The reason I do this is to make this accurate. For example -- when any other encoder (e.g. QuEnc) says it is doing 2 passes it actually does the first scan followed by one actual encoding pass. I don't know why CCE doesn't count the first pass, it has a lot of strange settings (like the way it does TFF).

I understand you logic, CCE's counting method is odd. But then again it is the only encoder (that I know of) to do more than 2 passes, so that is probably why it's terminology is common.

And don't get me started on it's TFF implementation. I can't think of a way they could make it more confusing. Renaming it to "line offset" was actually progress because instead of users getting it backwards most of the time, now they just go "WTF is this setting for?" :)

[gvittoz]

someone could explain us how install ECLCCE and working for CCE 2.5
what I need to do with ECLCCE and rebuild
Excuse me for my many question but I'm lost

[nwg]

Just extract eclCCE to a directory (it should be a zip). I put it in the CCE 2.50 directory in s sub directory called eclCCE.

Then double click on the eclCCE exe file. It will ask for the CCE exe file. Then it will load CCE as normal.

Then in DVD RB setup point the CCE 2.50 entry to the eclCCE.exe file and not to the CCE exe file.

[DDogg]

jdobbs - Is there a specific reason that you set alternate scan on(alternate_scan=1) instead of zigzag (alternate_scan=0) on progressive source? If asked before, pardon me, my eyes are giving me trouble ;)

Also, I agree with wmansir that you should consider using the standard CCE naming convention to describe multipass. Most people understand that it means 1 VAF pass and then the user specified X passes. Changing that convention to something that is unique only to DVD-ReBuilder may cause more confusion than it helps.

[quantum]

@jdobbs:
Is there any chance that in the future this app could support closed captions (CC) ? Some disks don't have subtitles and closed captions are the last resort. TV or HBO episode disks often lack subtitles. Some movies have subtitles only for foreign languages or none at all.

These are not just for the hearing impaired. I have normal hearing but sometimes can't understand the mumblers or the occassional unusual phrase and I like the option to turn these on and find out what was said.

Oh and my vote is keep your number of passes the way you like it. :-)

[StifflerStealth]

I noticed there are some problems with stills in the bug reports thread, so here's my comment on them.

@jdobbs: Before you create a new item.ecl for the next cell in the list, look at the cell and see if it is less than 1 MB, if so, declare it already enccoded and move on to the next cell. Since these cells are 1 MB or less you do not need to change all the bitrate calculations, because if one were able to recode video that was 1 MB or less, the final video would only be a couple of bytes less, so the total amount gained in compression for all stills would be about a K. Since all the re-encode files is about 10 MBs under the max size (for me) there is no problem. I figured this would be the _easiest_ solution.

@all: untill jdobbs fixes still you can find all the cells that are under 1 MB, but are still in the queue to be encoded, replace them with a video clip 1 MB in size. It will be encoded. Then do a demux in cell id mode of the original sources with DVD Decrypter, Smart Ripper, DoItFast4U v1.4.7, ... You hopefully remember the cells you replaced after that long encode session :) Well, if you do, replace them again with the newly demux cells. You will have your cells back, so click the Rebuild button. You should have no errors.

Stiff

[jptheripper]

well jdobbs, thank you. Just completed my first successfull rebuild, and its beautiful

time: 14 hours for 5 pass cce on a 8gb movie on my 2.4ghz laptop (read write to same drive).

Is there anyway you could make the "dont encode below" threshold a user setable option?


thanx again

-jp

[robw]

@all: untill jdobbs fixes still you can find all the cells that are under 1 MB, but are still in the queue to be encoded, replace them with a video clip 1 MB in size. It will be encoded. Then do a demux in cell id mode of the original sources with DVD Decrypter, Smart Ripper, DoItFast4U v1.4.7, ... You hopefully remember the cells you replaced after that long encode session Well, if you do, replace them again with the newly demux cells. You will have your cells back, so click the Rebuild button. You should have no errors.

This is a joke, right? Certainly shows why they created computers. Thanks for the good laugh

[acido]

@jdobbs

Maybe other asked you already, but i would appreciate if you could include a shutdown option at the end of the process.
Since encodes usually runs overnight it would be nice to have the pc turned-off when done, this will help us save energy ;-)

Another suggestion,
can you please keep track of the work that still need to be done on dvd-rb (bugfixes you are investigating - new features - ongoing work - etc.) in the file Rebuilder.txt so one can be up to date without having to look at the threads going bigger and bigger ;-)

Thanks, ciao.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by djan
Hi jdobbs,

Is it possible to add MEncoder support ? Thx. Does it support .AVS files?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs - Is there a specific reason that you set alternate scan on(alternate_scan=1) instead of zigzag (alternate_scan=0) on progressive source? If asked before, pardon me, my eyes are giving me trouble ;)

Also, I agree with wmansir that you should consider using the standard CCE naming convention to describe multipass. Most people understand that it means 1 VAF pass and then the user specified X passes. Changing that convention to something that is unique only to DVD-ReBuilder may cause more confusion than it helps. Hmm.. good point -- zigzag should be an option. As for the pass count... No. If CCE wants to say it wrong, fine. But I'm sticking to my guns and calling a spade a spade. I think that two passes (the .VAF and 1 encode) is all that is necessary 99% of the time, and it is wrong for people to wait several hours not knowing that the encoder is making an additional pass for a 1% improvement. (now that will really get some comments :D )

[gvittoz]

IT'S OK
Sleepy Hollow backup with CCE 2.5
Thanks alot Master Jdobbs we dreamed about that you make it thanks
I will give you some money for my congratulations

[Oldeman]

I just finished Runaway Jury with version .27. It had given me a error 9 on .26 before.

Output Size looks good, quality looks great. Also, DVDShrink would load the output without barfing...

Win98SE, 256mb, AMD750, ReJig .5e

Used DvdRemake 1.3 to finish off extras and tidy up menus.

Outstanding.... This DVD-RB just keeps getting better....

:D

[Brother Darrell]

This may be idiotic, considering all the work you have already put into this program, But here it goes....
I do all my encodes as Svcd(480x480). While this is not DVD compliant, it certainly works on my dvd player. I like the output much better than ½DVD res. Doing the Menu as ½DVD ain't so bad, but I would like any extras and main movie to be 480*480, with the added ability to choose the final output size. I can get 2, sometimes 3 movies on 1 DVD, without any appreciable quality loss. maybe the ability to recalculate using different audio rates?
The ability to be 100% scalable in all aspects would be Awesome, Are these doable things? Are they even WORTH doing?

[DDogg]

... and it is wrong for people to wait several hours not knowing that the encoder is making an additional pass for a 1% improvement. (now that will really get some comments ) Yeah, I'll just bet you will :-) I kinda think that depends on how much reduction is needed and what the resulting bitrate ends up being. The extra passes really start showing their stuff when the bitrate bucket becomes more sparse. Adding a conditional for this may be something to put in the "think about" stack for later.

In fact the whole CCE method you use will be a good subject to discuss, as well as the zillion other "individual enthusiasm" you have been relentlessly bombarded by, but only down the road after you kill all the critters and personally declare yourself happy with the guts of your process. I know that is your main shining focus right now and too many helpful suggestions are very distracting, so good luck in your hunt!

PS - It is incredible how much progress you have made in such a short time! I sincerely hope you are not permanently wearing your wife's shoe print on your backside :cool:

[jdobbs]

misquoting Groucho Marx: I'm not sure I'd want to be married to a woman who'd marry someone like me.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by robw
This is a joke, right? Certainly shows why they created computers. Thanks for the good laugh

I do try to say things in the most absurb or funny ways. :D However, if you get past all the absurbness, it does work. I have stills galore in one movie, but never have problems.

Stiff

[nwg]

I would like to say that DVD RB makes excellent use of Rejig. I have done Back to the Future (inc stills) with many transcoders, and so far the DVD RB version looks the best.

The DVD is 7.52GB as well.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Brother Darrell
This may be idiotic, considering all the work you have already put into this program, But here it goes....
I do all my encodes as Svcd(480x480). While this is not DVD compliant, it certainly works on my dvd player. I like the output much better than ½DVD res. Doing the Menu as ½DVD ain't so bad, but I would like any extras and main movie to be 480*480, with the added ability to choose the final output size. I can get 2, sometimes 3 movies on 1 DVD, without any appreciable quality loss. maybe the ability to recalculate using different audio rates?
The ability to be 100% scalable in all aspects would be Awesome, Are these doable things? Are they even WORTH doing? Not idiotic, but also not likely. I am one of those firm "do it by the standard" kind of guys. If I broke from the standards you can bet the size of the "Bugs" thread would reach biblical proportions...

[DMagic1]

I think it would be nice if there was a seperate setting line we could use for Rejig and CCE. I've notice from testing that CCE size always comes in larger than Rejig. So if we could control that seperately it would really help.

Example:

TargetSectors.Rejig=2280000
TargetSectors.CCE=2240000

Something like that.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DMagic1
I think it would be nice if there was a seperate setting line we could use for Rejig and CCE. I've notice from testing that CCE size always comes in larger than Rejig. So if we could control that seperately it would really help.

Example:

TargetSectors.Rejig=2280000
TargetSectors.CCE=2240000

Something like that. Ok. I can do that.

[quantum]

@jdobbs:
Is there any chance that in the future this app could support closed captions (CC) ? Some disks don't have subtitles and closed captions are the last resort. TV or HBO episode disks and some movies have only CC.

Repeating this from previous post in case it was overlooked.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quantum
@jdobbs:
Is there any chance that in the future this app could support closed captions (CC) ? Some disks don't have subtitles and closed captions are the last resort. TV or HBO episode disks and some movies have only CC.

Repeating this from previous post in case it was overlooked. I wrote it down on my (pretty extensive) list of things to look at.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DMagic1
I think it would be nice if there was a seperate setting line we could use for Rejig and CCE. I've notice from testing that CCE size always comes in larger than Rejig. So if we could control that seperately it would really help.

Example:

TargetSectors.Rejig=2280000
TargetSectors.CCE=2240000

Something like that. This is done and will be in .28

[anomiERIC]

I have a simple request. How about an option to disable the screen saver while running?

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by jdobbs
This is done and will be in .28

Great :D
Thanks for all your hard work.

[trx]

first of all wanna say thx to jdobbs, and all the testers here,


i dont have plenty of time to do testing but i have learned a lot with this forum and web page :D


only one simply question and pleaze dont criticise me for it, i have tryed till now to get my question solved but not....

is this dvd-rb program to be used to make CCE on FULL dvd (main movie, and extras) ? or it can strip out unwanted extras like the doitfast4u method?


thx in advance

trx

[gvittoz]

All right
the extras dvd of dancing with the wolfs
don't work...

[RobertR]

Originally posted by trx
is this dvd-rb program to be used to make CCE on FULL dvd (main movie, and extras) ? or it can strip out unwanted extras like the doitfast4u method?
It's meant to do full copy (without any stripping). The best thing it's getting better and better with every passing hour.

jdobbs do you ever sleep? :D

[trx]

thx robert, that's what i was thinking ;)


im gonna give out my opinion, and once again dont criticise me for it...

fact: whant to use dvd-rb to do apply CCE method to full dvd (main movie and extras)

opinion: this is good if the extras dont take that long (size of extras bigger than main movie file) and if the movie is not that long too (2h+), what i dont understand (and pleaze note that im not criticising the project, ill support all the author effort :) :) it deserves it!!!), but what i dont understand is if i do CCE method to a full dvd without striping it (like doitfast 4 u), what are the consequences for it, i think its less %%% for the quality of main movie or no? (even if i do 10 passes with CCE)

isnt it possible to think in an addon to strip out unwanted extras, but still doing that as 1 click method program?


p.s: i just think that in doing this im gonna loose lots of quality %% in main movie or no?


can someone clarify me?


once again sorry for this silly opinion, maybe i didnt understood this one correctly,



thx and cheers,

trx

[jdobbs]

My goal has been to back up a DVD onto a DVD-5 with the best quality possible and as simply as possible. Most of the people who want to do this don't know what a stream is, and don't care. Again I state: I am not in competition with the BIG3 method... I am only presenting another option to those who want to back-up their DVDs.

[Trahald]

Not to get too far off track but actually big3 is intended for full backups as well (although due to the nature of the process, people can interject their will into the process ie removing extras.) and i agree. there is no competition. dvdrb will be what it will be and big3 will be what it will be. choose whichever suits your needs.

[Oldeman]

Jdobbs,

My goal has been to back up a DVD onto a DVD-5 with the best quality possible and as simply as possible.

Speaking for me, your stated goals are exactly right. I want the best quality backup as simple as possible.

Don't be distracted by the big 3 programmers. Stick to your goals...

Thanks for all your work on this great program..
amen..

Oldeman:)

[Trahald]

Originally posted by Oldeman

Don't be distracted by the big 3 programmers. Stick to your goals...

Thanks for all your work on this great program..
amen..

Oldeman:)

did you mean big3 users?

oh and btw.. i used it last night on an episodic dvd.. came out great (well, I didnt burn it.. just tested w/ifoedit player) didnt notice any problems

[jdobbs]

New version is attached

Attached is version 0.28 of DVD-RB. A summary of changes are listed below:

- Increased the buffer size for beta testing - just want to see if I miscalculated and some of the problems go away. Please let me know if you get error "0003" or "0004"

- Added code that prevents attempts to run Phase II (Encoding) if the preparation phase was done for another encoder. It also warns and then resets the CCE version to match the one selected during "Prepare" if it has been changed. This appears to be a source of a lot of confusion and errors based upon bug reports.

- Added an error message that pops up when you select the source directory if the selected path has either multiple angles or interleaved sectoring involved. I'm hoping this will cut down on some of the bug reports until I have these functions are supported.

- Changed "TargetSectors=" value and replaced it with one for each of the three encoders. Now use one or more of "CCETargetSectors=", "ReJigTargetSectors=", and "QuEncTargetSectors=" -- please note that "TargetSectors=" will still work, but any of the encoder specific settings will override it for that encoder.

Newer version available. See the first post of this thread.

[chadp1a]

sweet!!!!!

about to go home and try the .28 and see if I get that 0004 error anymore.

Thanks for the hard work jdobbs

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by jdobbs
New version is attached

Attached is version 0.28 of DVD-RB. A summary of changes are listed below:

- Increased the buffer size for beta testing - just want to see if I miscalculated and some of the problems go away. Please let me know if you get error "0003" or "0004"

- Added code that prevents attempts to run Phase II (Encoding) if the preparation phase was done for another encoder. It also warns and then resets the CCE version to match the one selected during "Prepare" if it has been changed. This appears to be a source of a lot of confusion and errors based upon bug reports.

- Added an error message that pops up when you select the source directory if the selected path has either multiple angles or interleaved sectoring involved. I'm hoping this will cut down on some of the bug reports until I have these functions are supported.

- Changed "TargetSectors=" value and replaced it with one for each of the three encoders. Now use one or more of "CCETargetSectors=", "ReJigTargetSectors=", and "QuEncTargetSectors=" -- please note that "TargetSectors=" will still work, but any of the encoder specific settings will override it for that encoder.



:( Runtime Error 6 - Overflow

using.....

.28
CCE 2.67 Trial
WinXP


This is happening on a layer break - 00:00:01.00
If that helps any.

[jdobbs]

^$@#%^&!!! In what phase is it happening?

[chadp1a]

the rebuild phase

[jdobbs]

How did you get to the rebuild phase that fast?

[legomen]

jdobbs...i still get a 0004 error on the dvd A mighty Wind

windows xp
ecl 1.8
cce sp
rebuilder .28

[jed]

How can i be notified when a new version of DVD Rebuilder is out?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by legomen
jdobbs...i still get a 0004 error on the dvd A mighty Wind

windows xp
ecl 1.8
cce sp
rebuilder .28

during the rebuild phase Well, at least I know now that it wasn't just too small a buffer...

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by jdobbs
How did you get to the rebuild phase that fast?

20GHZ 12gigs ram :D

j.k

i had already did phase 1 and 2 with version .27

would i have to start from scratch with .28 on phase 1 and 2?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by chadp1a
20GHZ 12gigs ram :D

j.k

i had already did phase 1 and 2 with version .27

would i have to start from scratch with .28 on phase 1 and 2? Did you do the fist two phases with .27 or something earlier?

Added: Never mind - you already answered that.