DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta v0.46) Comments and Suggestions

[DDogg]

Originally posted by jdobbs -
Hmmm... actually I hadn't thought of that -- I don't cut the bitrate on the "normal" Half-D1. Maybe I should. The way you did it was simple to implement, is clear cut, and it works, but sure, it is slightly redundant. Poking the the two separate 1/2D1 thingeys together might be more straightforward if you ever feel like messing with it. Today, on one source I used the new setting and also checked the 1/2D1 option on the other for the main movie as it was a 4:3 interlaced encoding nightmare that needed the bitrate concentration.

A way to interface it might be to have an "All Non-Movie", as well as the individuals, BUT then allow checks to be added or changed. That way if there are 10 things to check, it is easier than the present method of one at a time. Seems like you should be able to click "All" then go back and uncheck one instead of it being grayed. Dunno how that works at the programming level.

At this stage I'm afraid everybody is starting to ask too much of you. Maybe its time for a break? I know you are back at the daily work grind and doing this at the same time has got to be back breaking. Don't let this stuff stress you out too much. It is a fun hobby, yeah? :rolleyes: :)

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Hmmm... actually I hadn't thought of that -- I don't cut the bitrate on the "normal" Half-D1. Maybe I should.

I wouldn't like that, unless it was optional, because it takes away control.

My current project is The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, and it contains several extras. I tried half-D1+Half-rate (+dynamic assign) but it put the extras down to around 900kbps, which was unacceptable. I was going to try it without dynamic assign, but unforutnately it looks like Half-D1/rate can't be used without Dynamic assign, so instead I just turned them half-D1 and used Dynamic assign, which produced acceptable bitrates.

[djan]

Originally posted by DDogg
Seems like you should be able to click "All" then go back and uncheck one instead of it being grayed. It would be nice. I was thinking to this some time ago but didn't want to disturb. It's sometimes borring to check many vts.

[jdobbs]

[B]New Version (v0.44) Posted{/B]

Fixed the runtime error '75' associated with mounted volumes. See the first post of this thread for download.

[wmansir]

@jdobbs

I noticed that half-D1 ouput does not have the correct resolution in the new .ifo files (still at full-D1).

Also, could you set the audio status of removed audio streams to '0'? This, and deleting the associated menu buttons, is all I do for stripped audio and it works fine in my player, and software players. I know you talked about re-mapping audio streams. I don't know if that gives any advantage in most cases, but I know it meses up menu selections.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
[B]New Version (v0.44) Posted{/B]

Fixed the runtime error '75' associated with mounted volumes. See the first post of this thread for download.

I'll give it a couple of days and if everything looks good I'll update the usage guide here, and Doom9's guide to use the mounted ISO method. That should reduce instances of people tampering with sources or missing files.

[smlong426]

How does Rebuilder determine which parts of a DVD are extras and which is the main movie ? Would it be possible to have the Half D1/Bitrate option (in addition to the current one that is applied to all extras) that is on a per VTS basis?

[RB]

Originally posted by wmansir
@jdobbs

I noticed that half-D1 ouput does not have the correct resolution in the new .ifo files (still at full-D1).

I believe this is correct. When you manually author a half-D1 title in Maestro or Scenarist, the authored IFO also specifies full D1.

[Rockas]

Dear Mr. jdobbs
I've been using your program and I like very much. Now i'd like to ask you if your going to have your program in other languages.
If your answer is yes I'd like to offer me to translate it to portuguese... is it possible? I'm a moderator of the portuguese forum.. and before the data base crack down many people asqued me about this.
Thank you.

Ass. Rockas

[rui]

Sorry for the MOD's about this little off-topic post of mine :o

Rockas: i just LOVE your avathar (this is the correct name?) :D

SLB, SLB, glorioso SLB :D

For the non portuguese folks, his avathar is the simbol of the GREATEST soccer club here in Portugal. :) Six million fans only inside our country.

[mfluder]

Hey jdobbs! Love your program. You have done a great job. I have a (hopefuly useful) suggestion.

How about an option for restricting the bitrate of the movie's last cell. For most movies (but not all) the last cell is credits so it would be useful if we can limit the bitrate for that cell. As it is now, with "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates" option turned on, the average bitrate of the credits is often bigger than the average bitrate of the whole movie. For example, the last project I was working on credits done with dvd-rb were 220 MB with an average bitrate of 4100 kb/s although an average bitrate of the whole movie was 3550 kb/s. From my experience in using CCE, credits look great even with bitrates as low as 1000 kb/s. So it would be quite an improvement for the movie's bitrate if we could shave off 3100 kb/s from credits and assign them across the other cells.

Please take this into consideration, even if it means that you have to put it at the end of your very long list of neverending suggestions :)

Regards,
mfluder

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Rockas
Dear Mr. jdobbs
I've been using your program and I like very much. Now i'd like to ask you if your going to have your program in other languages.
If your answer is yes I'd like to offer me to translate it to portuguese... is it possible? I'm a moderator of the portuguese forum.. and before the data base crack down many people asqued me about this.
Thank you.

Ass. Rockas

[djan]

jdobbs, you answered nothing. Are you too much tired ? :)

[jdobbs]

I thought I'd cancelled out... obviously I was wrong.

[Joergen]

jdobbs: I noticed while testing RBFarm that if CCE writes mpv files instead of m2v, then RB gives the nothing to do error or a 0003 error on rebuild. Do you rename the mpv files to m2v always or do you check the filenames?

[RB]

Make sure you have the latest EclCCE v1.81.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by RB
Make sure you have the latest EclCCE v1.81.

OMG I had the 1.7b on one PC. :o
1.81 fixes the problem.
Thanks RB :cool:

[nwg]

I managed to do a real nice backup of Kill Bill (PAL).

I put it into Shrink first to compress the extras to 60%. I then used the Half-D1 option for the extras and got them down to 25%. I kept the DD and DTS and the film ended at 70% including a 8% gain from the Half-D1 option.

DVD-RB 0.43b
CCE 2.50 (3 passes).
eclCCE 1.81

[imd_man]

Hey jdobbs! I've successfully used DVD-RB for about 6 of my DVDs now. It's worked just great! However, they've all been quite simple DVDs (simple structures, no forced subs). So I was just curious, does DVD-RB work with forced subs?

Thanks!

Best

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by imd_man
Hey jdobbs! I've successfully used DVD-RB for about 6 of my DVDs now. It's worked just great! However, they've all been quite simple DVDs (simple structures, no forced subs). So I was just curious, does DVD-RB work with forced subs?

Thanks!

Best I can think of no reason why it wouldn't work with forced subs. But there is still work to be done on BOV and interleaving (seamless branching and multiple angles). I have plans to kick out a lot of code this weekend. You never know what we might what we have by Sunday night.

[m3taPT]

Originally posted by rui

SLB, SLB, glorioso SLB :D



Rui: Amen :D

Sorry for the also-OT reply, but anyone who knows what Rui was talking about simply can not resist to comment. :)

[nwg]

I would like to add a suggestion. :)

Would it be possible to add another option for Quenc. I noticed Quenc defaults to a 2 pass encode. It would be even better to have the option of 1 or 2 passes. I have done dome DVD's where I don't want to use Rejig. I want better quality but, don't want to wait for/need a 2 pass encode.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nwg
I would like to add a suggestion. :)

Would it be possible to add another option for Quenc. I noticed Quenc defaults to a 2 pass encode. It would be even better to have the option of 1 or 2 passes. I have done dome DVD's where I don't want to use Rejig. I want better quality but, don't want to wait for/need a 2 pass encode. My concern is that if I'm not using 2 pass mode I can't predict the output size... but I'm really not sure about that. Does QuEnc do a Q based VBR in one pass or does it stick to the bitrate?

[nwg]

jdobbs wrote,
My concern is that if I'm not using 2 pass mode I can't predict the output size... but I'm really not sure about that. Does QuEnc do a Q based VBR in one pass or does it stick to the bitrate?

I don't know about that sort of stuff, I should do.

If a 2 pass it needed, then that is fine.

[Paced]

Originally posted by jdobbs
My concern is that if I'm not using 2 pass mode I can't predict the output size... but I'm really not sure about that. Does QuEnc do a Q based VBR in one pass or does it stick to the bitrate?

It sticks to the bitrate, and it has the same amount of accuracy (output size) as 2 passes (from my tests anyway).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Paced
It sticks to the bitrate, and it has the same amount of accuracy (output size) as 2 passes (from my tests anyway). Okay. I'll add it. Is there a huge quality drop? I really like to aim for quality as the default.

[nwg]

jdobbs wrote,
Okay. I'll add it.

Excellent, thank you. :)

You could set it to 2 pass as default, and have an option to set it to one pass.

[Paced]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Okay. I'll add it. Is there a huge quality drop? I really like to aim for quality as the default.

I just did a few tests to make sure for you, and there is not a huge quality drop. The results were as follows:

1 minute clip (relatively lots of motion)
1 pass turned out to be 10.3 mb (10,860,167 bytes)
2 pass = 10.3 mb (10,847,371 bytes)

But I must say again, QuEnc isn't very good at accurately achieving the right file size in either 1 or 2 pass modes. It is extremely accurate if you use CBR though.

PS I couldn't tell the difference between the two samples in quality

[Sharro]

Admired Jdobbs,

My next salary will certainly deserve a share for you.

Even though I'm a Xvid Tribalistic Fan, from time to time I go into Dvd backup, in the past, I used Big 3 method, but ... what an hassle and expensive programs.... I still dream of multi-angle support (but I know it's in your todo list)

Because I'm on Pal reg and I get a lot of interlaced, sometimes Fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion than just Fielddeinterlace() without any jerkiness on playback.

Any chance to change the default without going through all the avs ?

Keep up the greatttttttttttttt work, the World thanks you.

All the best.


Sharro
Aka Xvid Tribalistic Fan

[Paced]

Originally posted by Sharro
Because I'm on Pal reg and I get a lot of interlaced, sometimes Fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion than just Fielddeinterlace() without any jerkiness on playback.

You should give Telecide() a try (for PAL). It has the same effect as FieldDeinterlace(blend=false), but it also removes a serious 'flaw' (wierd random artifacts) that comes along when FieldDeinterlace() is used.

[nwg]

Sharro wrote,
Because I'm on Pal reg and I get a lot of interlaced, sometimes Fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion than just Fielddeinterlace() without any jerkiness on playback.

I am also doing PAL discs, and I just leave it on the default settings. I haven't had any problems so far.

[Redbacks]

I'm still having a problems with scene changes. I'm trying to do Fellowship of the ring (Pal) And keep getting stuttering at the scene changes. Using DVD-RB 0.44, CCE SP 2.66.01.07. I've also tried it with CCE SP 2.67.00.23. Yet when I don't use DVD-RB using CCE the stuttering is gone. I can't for the life of me work it out. I'm from Oz. So I would like to know if anyone else in my neck of the woods is having the same problem with this disk.. And if I'm not supposed to be posting bugs in here then my apologies. It's just that I love this tool and yet so close, yet so far :)

[Paced]

Originally posted by Redbacks
I'm still having a problems with scene changes. I'm trying to do Fellowship of the ring (Pal) And keep getting stuttering at the scene changes. Using DVD-RB 0.44, CCE SP 2.66.01.07. I've also tried it with CCE SP 2.67.00.23. Yet when I don't use DVD-RB using CCE the stuttering is gone. I can't for the life of me work it out. I'm from Oz. So I would like to know if anyone else in my neck of the woods is having the same problem with this disk.. And if I'm not supposed to be posting bugs in here then my apologies. It's just that I love this tool and yet so close, yet so far :)

I'm in your neck of the woods, and I haven't had chapter stutters since 0.39 :) (using CCE 2.50).

[Sharro]

I have an encode that I did both ways, one with Fielddeinterlace() and one with Fielddeinterlace(blend=false), the last has much smoother motion without being blurred. Results were checked on progressive display (PC monitor) as my Tv is a standard one already 6 years old.

I haven't got the technical information to backup my conclusions, just my eyes, and I don't want to go off topic by discussing (de)interlacing my post was a suggestion/question.

If there is no chance that I can change it through DVD-RB, I will go through the avs's, no problem.

All the best,

Sharro
AKA Xvid Tribalistic Fan

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Sharro
I have an encode that I did both ways, one with Fielddeinterlace() and one with Fielddeinterlace(blend=false), the last has much smoother motion without being blurred. Results were checked on progressive display (PC monitor) as my Tv is a standard one already 6 years old.

I haven't got the technical information to backup my conclusions, just my eyes, and I don't want to go off topic by discussing (de)interlacing my post was a suggestion/question.

If there is no chance that I can change it through DVD-RB, I will go through the avs's, no problem.

All the best,

Sharro
AKA Xvid Tribalistic Fan I never use FieldDeinterlace() so I'm probably not the best person to give an opinion. Anyone else?

[quantum]

I would definitely use blend=false as the default every time on fielddeinterlace. Otherwise it produces the ghosting effect which is an overlay (blend) of two frames. With blend=false you end up with duplicated frames which looks okay when played for some reason.

[Joergen]

Yep I had enough of blending with divx projects. Its bloody murder!

But DVDs are watched on standalones and TVs and should retain their original "made for TV" interlaced structure for best quality (or if you know you have interlaced frame for frame PAL image then some sort of interlacing without duplication or blending might be the best quality).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
Yep I had enough of blending with divx projects. Its bloody murder!

But DVDs are watched on standalones and TVs and should retain their original "made for TV" interlaced structure for best quality (or if you know you have interlaced frame for frame PAL image then some sort of interlacing without duplication or blending might be the best quality). Is there any reason to ever do it without blend=false? I'd be much better if I didn't have to keep adding options that generate confusion.

[quantum]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is there any reason to ever do it without blend=false? I'd be much better if I didn't have to keep adding options that generate confusion. I would say no. I think it's safe to make it blend=false always and no need for an option for blend=true.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is there any reason to ever do it without blend=false? I'd be much better if I didn't have to keep adding options that generate confusion.

Unless some misguided soul wants to watch his DVD like a blended divx on his PC ONLY (without hardware compensations or deinterlacing). But having a 4.3GB divx with a DVD menu is pretty futile ;)

But some more opinions are welcome, but keep in mind that DVD is for TV.

[Sharro]

Hi guys!

Damn me.

My reasons:

-when it comes to pal I always try a avs with both deinterlace functions and play it with MPC then I decide (I'm even thinking of a stackhorizontal next time).
-Most times fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion (I'm a "sharp" guy) and smooth playback.
-Doom9 says: "I personally use" on its guides :-)
-I ain't blind!

Please Doom9, and all other Pal Dvd-Backup Gurus any recomendation to JDobbs's defaults ?

All the best,


Sharro
Aka Xvid Tribalistic Fun

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: I noticed while testing RBFarm that if CCE writes mpv files instead of m2v, then RB gives the nothing to do error or a 0003 error on rebuild. Do you rename the mpv files to m2v always or do you check the filenames? The extension .M2V is always specified in the .ECL

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs
The extension .M2V is always specified in the .ECL
Good, but an old version of eclcce can ignore it back to .mpv apparently :)

[BBWoof]

I've been really enjoying your program for doing tv dvds. It's worked great until Alias Season 2 Disk 6 (R1). During the rebuilding of the last VOB it gives a "Subscript out of range" error.

BBWoof

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by BBWoof
I've been really enjoying your program for doing tv dvds. It's worked great until Alias Season 2 Disk 6 (R1). During the rebuilding of the last VOB it gives a "Subscript out of range" error.

BBWoof I think the last 3 significant errors are all in REBUILD and result in #0003, #0004, and '9' subscript out of range. I am working hard to exterminate them. I have important features (BOV and interleaving) waiting in the wings.

[nimbles]

hey jdobbs- just did a carlito's way r2 which was one of those 4:3 sources with blackbars to give a wide screen picture- used the 4:3 -> 16:9 conversion on just vts_1 (the main movie) and it came out great. Thanks alot for that!!- how do you change the aspect ratio and not stretch the actual film?(there was no vertical bars either side on the original source- so i assume you are lopping off stuff from top and bottom- so i'd assume you'd have to stretch it vertically to keep the 720x576 size?- it worked so i'm not complaining :D)

Weird thing happened dunno if you can comment on it- something happened with the CCE and i had to delete all the revisions of dvd-rb, but got it working again but forgot what i had for the Target sector size (stupidly forgot to keep at least one of the .ini files :rolleyes: ), and my eventual output file was like 2mb over the size of a dvd-r something like 4707000kb, anyway i remember i'd left the english subs in so decided to open the resulting out put file in dvdshrink (rather than redo everything in rb) and remove the the sub and (with no compression applied to any of the source).

To my surprise when i backed up with dvdshrink (no compression so took like 4 minutes) the resulting output file size was now 40mb under max dvd-r size (the only think i can think of is that when i opened up the RB output in dvdshrink the other audio and subtitles i had ripped through dvd decrypter in ifo mode had showed up but with no size- i just uncheked them)- so reopened up the rb output in dvd shrink, and left the english subs (they're only supposed to be 6mb according to shrink) in this time and the resulting output was about 30mb lower than the original rb output size.

Dvd plays back perfectly and i can't notice any difference between the two (pre and post dvdshrink) and i hope shrink hasn't done any transcoding as i specifically specified no compression plus the destination file size in shrink is set to 8000mb so that it can't accidently start trancoding- looking at the two video_ts folders, i can confirm that the reduction has occurred in the main movie title set all other vts sets are identical

Its no biggy- just was surprised that i was essentially able to pass it through shrink without doing anything except remove unspecified subtitles and it shaved around 30odd mb :confused:

[jdobbs]

@nimbles

Almost always the reason for DVD-RB creating a source that is too large is the result of two phases running that weren't configured the same. Here's what typically happens:

1. Run PREPARE with French (for example) audio removed.
2. Run ENCODE everything is the same...
3. Closed down DVD-RB and will come back later.
4. Opened DVD-RB and ran REBUILD but didn't select French audio...

Generally the size will be over by the difference between the "breathing room" left by the default targe-size and the length of the audio that was accidently left in the DVD.

Don't know it that was what happened -- but it isn't unusual.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs

Almost always the reason for DVD-RB creating a source that is too large is the result of two phases running that weren't configured the same.
I know I've done that a couple of times.

This reminds me of a minor suggestion. How about the ability to "link" phases. You could put a check box between the Prepare, Encode, and Rebuild button. If that box is checked the next step is run automatically. I often want to prepare, look over the final bitrates, .avs files, ect, and then run Encode+Rebuild.

As it is now I usually Encode, then when I come back (ie wake up), I have to wait around for the Rebuild. OR, if I didn't change anything after the prepare step, I could set 1-click mode and start over.

It's not a major inconvenience, but like I said, a minor suggestion. You can put it near the bottom of your long to do list if you like it.

[nimbles]

thanks for the explanation guys

Could this also have happened in 1 click mode too? cos thats actually what i did.

The size discrepency (30mb) is far too small to be either of the omitted audio tracks (french and spanish AC3 2ch) but probably sounds about right for all the non english subs

but i see what you mean though, thanks again

[acido]

@jdobbs
Just a little thing that may be adjusted with removed audio streams : unselected audio streams in DVD-RB can still be selected when playing the final backup leading to mute playback. This is good because some menus still requires all streams entries in order to work properly. What i've noticed is that if you pass the DVD-RB backup through DVD Shrink checking only the needed streams, this time entries are still present but you cannot select them (greyed out). Can you try to fix it the same way? Removing them with IFOEDIT is not as good because menus will fail selecting audio streams (entries really removed).
Last, i would be very glad if you'll consider integrating dvd-rb farm from quantum into dvd-rb, it really cuts CCE encoding times by half ( at least )!
Ciao.