DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta v0.46) Comments and Suggestions

[RB]

Originally posted by c0b3c
I used CCE 2.66+ SP / Dynamically assign cell bitrates / Half D1 and Half Space for Extras options

When I click on the Photo Gallery button menu freezes and doesn't go to the corresponding chapter. Thankfully "Main" button works and i can click out of the freeze back to the extras menu.
Jdobbs, wmansir and myself reported this too. Basically support for still menus (still frame with buttons) is broken. When you demux the original M2V and rebuild using that however, it works.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
Jdobbs, wmansir and myself reported this too. Basically support for still menus (still frame with buttons) is broken. When you demux the original M2V and rebuild using that however, it works. Let me make sure I understand. If you demux the individual frames, copy them to the working directory\D2VAVS, and then run REBUILD again it works correctly?

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Let me make sure I understand. If you demux the individual frames, copy them to the working directory\D2VAVS, and then run REBUILD again it works correctly?

Sorry from the intromission; it is just to answer YES!!!
At least it works perfectly in my experience.

see "Improper encoding of menus based on still images.":
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=55

for further details

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Let me make sure I understand. If you demux the individual frames, copy them to the working directory\D2VAVS, and then run REBUILD again it works correctly?
Yes.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
Yes. There was a known bug in CCE a long time ago when trying to use multi-pass encoding on single frames. I've even inserted a special statement in the creation of ECL files for 2.50 in which I use OPV for single frames. It could be related.

[RobertR]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I've had this suggestion before -- and the hard part for me is trying to figure out the benefit. If I'm rebuilding into a different hard drive, how much time could I really save? Right now on my system the rebuild only takes about 15-20 minutes on a single drive, so even if you could cut that in half (which isn't likely) you'd only save 10 minutes off of a job that takes hours. As for the encoding (which takes the lion's share of the time), my experience has been that it's pretty much processor bound rather than I/O, and it can already be on two drives (source and working) anyway. Thoughts?
Last successfull rebuild took almost an hour just because i started whole job on a slow hdd (it's removable hdd so i can take it with me and on that particular computer it's detected as UDMA33).
Using diff drives for encoding of course will not give any advantage (even if there would be any advantage one can already just choose WorkDir on some other hdd than the one with source files).
Apart for speed there is also issue of available free space (currently WorkDir needs around 9GB of free space). Of course one can shift files around to get that extra needed space on hdd containing WorkDir.

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
There was a known bug in CCE a long time ago when trying to use multi-pass encoding on single frames. I've even inserted a special statement in the creation of ECL files for 2.50 in which I use OPV for single frames. It could be related.
I'm using CCE-SP 2.67.00.27 and although the reencoded still frame M2V is smaller than the original, it's fine. I can load it into DVD2AVI and save as BMP, for instance, it looks just fine.

[jdobbs]

Note to all: A new version (0.48) has been posted.

[jdobbs]

@jarvis1781

Thanks. My goal is to make DVD-RB the "method of choice" for backups -- and the only way to do that is to keep adding capability without adding complexity (except for those who want to tinker). I hope you keep finding it useful.

[nimbles]

Hey jdobbs, had been busy with my own work, but just tried out 0.47, (last one i used was something like 0.33 :D- My you are working fast!!)

Anyway I just did what i thought would be a tricky back up of Old school uncut, which has a title set of stills. Anyway did it with Half D1 enabled on all but the movie and deleted scenes (manually set in the AVI synth settings as opposed to the enable Half D1 on extras elsewhere in the options) Quality on the half D1 was great- although the bit rates were still quite high (not sure if i did it correctly)

Everything looks great and congratulations on the recent improvements you made what was already a great program even better. Expect another donation soon ;) Although maybe not as much as last time, i'm still a student (hopefully that'll change soon)

One minor thing is I'm running CCE 2.67.027 using the latest ECLCCE and the CCE speeds never get past about 1.1-1.2, running an AMD 2200+, with 512mb of pc2700 333mhz ram, and a 7200 WD 8mb cache drive. I see all these P4 users quoting speeds of over 2.5 and am wondering is this a P4 optimisation issue or is there something inherently wrong in my set up- CCE cpu utilisation is almost contantly 90+% and the computer is essentially unusable during the encodging stage, (not really an issue as most encoding is done overnight and the job usually takes around 10hrs (5pass)), but the pc doubles up as a server for multimedia files and streaming over the network is almost impossible while the CCE stage is running.

This is something i can live with but just wanted to know if I could do anything differently to perhaps get thing working a bit faster?

[nwg]

nimbles

I have a simialar spec but, with a Athlon XP 2000 and it does a speed 1.5+ most of the time. Maybe Pentiums can just work that bit better.




Nice work on 0.47 jdobbs. :)

[jdobbs]

I'm using an Athlon XP 2400+ and I get right around 1.9-2.0. I think it pretty much just comes down to clock speed.

[ClydeFrog]

amazing job so far!

here are some suggestions:

- the possibility to keep parts with angles and just copy it 1:1 over like the menus. this way i can pre-compress the parts with angles together with the menus in dvdshrink, like i always do...

- automatic priority settings for the encoder. it is pretty annoying when you want to work on your pc during encoding and you manually set the priority to low every time a new part starts just to get rid of the lag... :)

[nimbles]

ClydeFrog there's an option in ECLCCE (if you are running CCE SP2.66 and above) to set the cce processing priority to either, default, low, normal or high)

If that helps

[ClydeFrog]

ahh excellent, that did the trick, thx a lot :)

another suggestion:

- minimize to tray - i like it clean ;)

[nimbles]

There's already an option in DVD-RB to run CCE minised too :D

Think its options->settup and the tick the box that says "Run encoder(s) minimised" surely you must have come across it? ;)

[ClydeFrog]

i'm well aware of that ;)

i mean the main rebuilder window...

[Toranaga]

I have been using DVD Rebuilder with succes before, but have reinstalled Windows XP recently. Now when DVD-RB gets to the decoding part, it starts CCE but CCE then freezes completely and nothing more happens. Please does anyone know what could be wrong?

[rayvt]

I had a problem with "The Last Samurai (WS)" at chapter 34, with Dvd-RB v 0.48. I'm encoding with CCEv2.66.01.07.

This chapter runs from 1:59:55 to 2:05:17, duration of 4:39:05, with 215864 frames.
When played on my DVD player, there is a squawk and jump at around 2:05. Comparing it with the original movie, it skips over about 3 minutes of the movie.
When played on my PC, I can watch the time codes as it plays. What the time gets to 2:01:46, it resets to 1:59:55. However, it seems to play ok on the PC.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by rayvt
I had a problem with "The Last Samurai (WS)" at chapter 34, with Dvd-RB v 0.48. I'm encoding with CCEv2.66.01.07.

This chapter runs from 1:59:55 to 2:05:17, duration of 4:39:05, with 215864 frames.
When played on my DVD player, there is a squawk and jump at around 2:05. Comparing it with the original movie, it skips over about 3 minutes of the movie.
When played on my PC, I can watch the time codes as it plays. What the time gets to 2:01:46, it resets to 1:59:55. However, it seems to play ok on the PC. Can you let me know whether you are PAL or NTSC...

[nwg]

I have done the PAL version of The Last Samurai without any problems using CCE 2.50.

[jdobbs]

@rayvt

I just played back the NTSC/R1 backup I'd made of this disc and, while I had no problems with the playback, I did notice a strange clock anomaly on my player. At 02:03:36 the clock display suddenly jumps to 02:05:16. I'm going back to look at my original and see what may have caused this. It's possible it may be linked to the bug I fixed in 0.49 -- but that's far from conclusive.

[rayvt]

Sorry, it was NTSC. I forget that lots of people do PAL.
I'll try to do a quick check with 0.49, by cutting down the bitrate to real low.

[rayvt]

Just another thought, triggered when I watched a friend's movie converted with DVDCOPY123.
I had tried to copy the DVD-RB log file to a text file which would be burned to the DVD along with the movie. Couldn't do it sucessfully, because that goes against the DVD standards. Seems that you can only have VOBs and IFOs, and the naming rules are very strict.
But it sure would be nice to have that info on the DVD--or at least certain info, like DVD-RB version, the encoder used, compression rate, etc. Couldn't you make that either a frame at the very end of the movie, or maybe just an un-referenced VOB that obeys the naming rules? I think that avisynth can create text using the SUBTITLE command.

[quantum]

Don't put your text file in the video_ts directory, put it in the root. You can put anything you want in the root directory. I always put an MD5 file in the root with a checksum for all the files in video_ts.

[rayvt]

Nope, can't put it in the root. My DVD player detects that there is a non-DVD file there and goes into file play mode where it wants to play MP3s, MPEGs, etc.

[rayvt]

No joy with DVDRB 0.49 on The Last Samurai. It gets a time glitch in the same place. FWIW, I re-encoded at 1000kpbs, with CCE 2.66+.

I'll try again with 2.50 and report results.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by rayvt
Nope, can't put it in the root. My DVD player detects that there is a non-DVD file there and goes into file play mode where it wants to play MP3s, MPEGs, etc.

Heh, how does that player handle all the discs that have lots of dvd-rom content in the root?

[rayvt]

No joy with CCE2.50, either. Same time glitch, same place in the movie. And 1000kbps sure is poor quality!

[Toranaga]

Originally posted by Toranaga
I have been using DVD Rebuilder with succes before, but have reinstalled Windows XP recently. Now when DVD-RB gets to the decoding part, it starts CCE but CCE then freezes completely and nothing more happens. Please does anyone know what could be wrong?

Sorry, I installed a newer version of CCE and it now works again :rolleyes:

[lamster]

Originally posted by nimbles
There's already an option in DVD-RB to run CCE minised too :D

Think its options->settup and the tick the box that says "Run encoder(s) minimised" surely you must have come across it? ;)

One thing that might be nice is the ability to dynamically toggle the "Run Encoder(s) Minimized" setting.

Reason: I don't want the encoder window popping up while I'm working on the machine, but when I'm going to be doing something else and want to get the transcoding done as quickly as possible, it might help to let Windows give the program the priority boost afforded to the foreground application.

[rayvt]

Tried it again with rejig. No problems with the glitch, that section plays fine.

[wgw]

Just a minor bug if you can call it that. Using 3 click mode, if I close Rebuilder after Encoding is complete, open rebuilder, click prepare, and then click No, the Encode and Rebuild buttons are greyed out until I close rebuilder and reopen it. If No is selected after clicking Prepare, I think Encode and Rebuild should still be available if they were previously valid options.

[biggy7]

heres my 2p.

i just did Finding Nemo R2 Pal with DVD-RB 0.49.

used dvd stripper to strip all the extras, but kept the menus, 5.1DD and DTS, then used dvd-rb with VBR_Bias set at 20 and Quality_prec set at 16 with 9 passes, prepared and said that the avg bitrate was 3968 kbs, that ok?

left it over night and left with a nice 4.30Gb Video_ts folder,

quality is superb!

[tf]

Did you use DVD-RB to backup the actual movie Finding Nemo? With all angles and seamless branching included? Or did you strip a certain one out beforehand? If not, I am curious to how you got it working.

Did you check that the actual output is 100% ok, ie. watched the movie all the way through?

-tf

[wmansir]

Nemo uses duplicate VOBids for seamless branching, not angles (If I recall correctly). What's the difference?

Duplicate VOBid discs have one large track (PGC) that contains everything in the movie. In this case it is the movie + some extra footage for the visual commentary. When you play the visual commentary this track is played. It then has a second PGC for the movie itself, which uses select portions (VOBids) from the master track.

I think I read a comment that another user successfully backed up a duplicate VOBid disc (I think it was Pirates of the Carribean), but it would be nice to verify it.

[lamster]

Originally posted by wmansir
I think I read a comment that another user successfully backed up a duplicate VOBid disc (I think it was Pirates of the Carribean), but it would be nice to verify it.

I've backed it up; haven't tested everything. Is there anything in particular to look for?

[lamster]

Hi,

A couple of suggestions, for after angles/ILVU is complete and you're looking for something else to add. :)

It would be nice if the Stop/Pause button was available in 1-click mode also.

It would be nice if the working path could be set to a relative path, which was interpreted as relative to the source path. So if my working path were ..\Rebuilt, and my source path were e:\DVD_Videos\MOVIE_TITLE\VIDEO_TS, then you would use as the working path e:\DVD_Videos\MOVIE_TITLE\Rebuilt (but leave Working=..\Rebuilt in the .INI file, so I wouldn't have to update it for the next movie).

Thanks for the program!

[wmansir]

Originally posted by lamster
I've backed it up; haven't tested everything. Is there anything in particular to look for?

The Knightly+Davenport and Bruckheimer commentaries use duplicate VOBids from the movie (they are 'select scene" only). They also have a 'extra' audio track that isn't present in the main movie PGC. DVD Decrypter and DIF4U missed it at first (They may have been updated to demux it), so it would be interesting to see if DVD-RB caught it.

[Trahald]

Originally posted by wmansir
The Knightly+Davenport and Bruckheimer commentaries use duplicate VOBids from the movie (they are 'select scene" only). They also have a 'extra' audio track that isn't present in the main movie PGC. DVD Decrypter and DIF4U missed it at first (They may have been updated to demux it), so it would be interesting to see if DVD-RB caught it.

well.. dif4u sees it.. the problem is dvddecrypter doesnt. you have to do such movies with vobid demux with dif4u and then dvddecrypter will see it. the problem is the audio is listed in the VTSI_MAT but not in the VTS_PGCITI for the main movie. in future versions of dif4u it will automatically turn on vobid demux when this condition exists. lightning_uk (understandbly) doesnt want to demux the audio track if the pgciti doesnt list it since there is a chance it may not be there. since rebuilder doesnt work by pgc it should catch the audio.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wgw
Just a minor bug if you can call it that. Using 3 click mode, if I close Rebuilder after Encoding is complete, open rebuilder, click prepare, and then click No, the Encode and Rebuild buttons are greyed out until I close rebuilder and reopen it. If No is selected after clicking Prepare, I think Encode and Rebuild should still be available if they were previously valid options. I'm lost on this. If you Click "Prepare" there is no "No" to answer except when confronted with a source that is already small enough to fit on a DVD... The encode and rebuild are grayed out because you have started a new PREPARE session and your original files are no longer present nor valid...

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm lost on this. If you Click "Prepare" there is no "No" to answer except when confronted with a source that is already small enough to fit on a DVD...

Oooh - one I can answer! :)

WARNING

All contents of the working folder will be erased. Continue?

Yes No

[jdobbs]

Ahh... Gotcha... thanks (to you and wgw). I'll fix this for 0.50.

[unplugged]

Can you add some check to prevent that a dummy audio track starts as default?
(as it's the default in original...)

[Joergen]

unplugged: That has been discussed. It would involve switching the audio track numbers and that might cause more trouble than its worth (then your audio menu would work wrong). I wish there was a way to "clone" the ID for both tracks without cloning the actual data or switching locations.

Perhaps a warning that the default track will be removed would help.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joergen
unplugged: That has been discussed. It would involve switching the audio track numbers and that might cause more trouble than its worth (then your audio menu would work wrong). I wish there was a way to "clone" the ID for both tracks without cloning the actual data or switching locations.

Perhaps a warning that the default track will be removed would help. What I'd have to do is just change the ID as I rewrite it. How about this: If you remove 0x80, I will let you decide which remaining track is retagged as 0x80? Of course I'd have to deal with the eventual bug report from someone that "It says English but plays xxxx."

[wmansir]

Jdobbs, is there any down side to "0"ing out the stream status of removed tracks in the .ifo? On my standalone, and in PowerDVD/WinDVD, it just skips to the next available track. I haven't tried it with the default track yet, but I will be able to tomorrow.

[lamster]

Originally posted by wmansir
The Knightly+Davenport and Bruckheimer commentaries use duplicate VOBids from the movie (they are 'select scene" only). They also have a 'extra' audio track that isn't present in the main movie PGC. DVD Decrypter and DIF4U missed it at first (They may have been updated to demux it), so it would be interesting to see if DVD-RB caught it.

OK, just checked, and all the commentaries were fine.

[unplugged]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Of course I'd have to deal with the eventual bug report from someone that "It says English but plays xxxx."
If I have understood what you mean this already happened to me. (ver. 0.47), with a 3 audio stream movie, all english audio streams and the 1st unmarked.

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jdobbs
What I'd have to do is just change the ID as I rewrite it. How about this: If you remove 0x80, I will let you decide which remaining track is retagged as 0x80? Of course I'd have to deal with the eventual bug report from someone that "It says English but plays xxxx."

Often the DTS track is #1 track, but I guess it wouldnt hurt in that case either.

But cloning the ID's like that would give people the option to have the 2.0 track as default instead of the 5.1 if they want to save space and dont have a 5.1 setup.