DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta v0.46) Comments and Suggestions

[sup191]

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
He guys, those who haven't donate....just press the button, I saw the number of downloads for DVD-RB, by now jdobbs should be a richguy !!!

Don't be dumb, and donate !



While I agree that people who use this proggy a lot should donate something to jdobbs for all his hard work, you're assuming that everybody who downloaded the program is actually still using it. A lot of people try it out and feel it's not for them. I'm sure you didn't mean to insult everybody who hasn't donated by calling them dumb. Maybe next time add a smiley! :)


jdobbs,

Maybe when this program hits v1.0, you could add a list of handles of the people who donated. It'd be our few seconds of fame in donationware history! :rolleyes:

[topsare]

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
He guys, those who haven't donate....just press the button, I saw the number of downloads for DVD-RB, by now jdobbs should be a richguy !!!
You are right SAPSTAR.
Just made my first donation to this amazing piece of software to encourage jdobbs to continue.

I just wish the problems with subs and audio sync will be fixed soon :thanks:

Topsare

[mpennel]

Ditto here. I just left my donation via Paypal. Thanks again for all of your hard work on this program! It is "da bomb" that's for sure! I can't wait to see what gets added next. I hope this makes everyone else on this forum who hasn't donated, and uses the program to wake up and smell the roses! This program is only going to get better, especially if we support it!:)

Mark

[Redbacks]

A lazy $50.00 USD on it's way to you jdobbs... Keep up the great work. Well worth it and appreciated.

Cheers.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Redbacks
A lazy $50.00 USD on it's way to you jdobbs... Keep up the great work. Well worth it and appreciated.

Cheers. Thanks, Redbacks. And thanks to all the donators... I'll do my best to make sure your trust and generosity is rewarded!!!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by sup191
While I agree that people who use this proggy a lot should donate something to jdobbs for all his hard work, you're assuming that everybody who downloaded the program is actually still using it. A lot of people try it out and feel it's not for them. I'm sure you didn't mean to insult everybody who hasn't donated by calling them dumb. Maybe next time add a smiley! :)


jdobbs,

Maybe when this program hits v1.0, you could add a list of handles of the people who donated. It'd be our few seconds of fame in donationware history! :rolleyes: That's a not a bad idea, but when I get a donation most of the time all I see is an EMail address, and I don't think anyone would want to publish that. What they will get after v1.0 is special consideration for any suggested enhancements and bug reports, automatic notification of updates, and a very appreciative jdobbs.

[sup191]

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's a not a bad idea, but when I get a donation most of the time all I see is an EMail address, and I don't think anyone would want to publish that. What they will get after v1.0 is special consideration for any suggested enhancements and bug reports, automatic notification of updates, and a very appreciative jdobbs.


That's good enough for me! I'll gladly donate again after my next paycheck. The only problem I'm having currently is an audio sync problem with Fletch Lives. I posted more info about it in the bug report thread. There are a few others having the same type issue. I'm hoping it's not on all my backups as I don't rewatch the whole movie after encoding - I just sorta skim through it to check the quality.

Thanks again for such an awesome program!!

[SLA]

Hi

i don't know if it was already mentioned but is it possible to add another Feature which resizes the Framesize for extra-stuff to 352x288(Pal, 352x240 NTSC)? This is an official DVD Resolution and gives MUCH better quality (using CCE) compared to Half-D1. Please give it a try :rolleyes: :) :)

P.S. great work!

[Joergen]

I'm against resizing vertically cause then you lose the fields and smooth framerate. This is especially bad for the extras that are usually either CAM material or even NTSC->PAL. You'd have double ghosting if you blend the fields for a 352x288 resolution.

[SLA]

@Joergen

You might be right...theoretically.
Please try both: Encode some extra stuff
@ 352x576@1200kbit and
@ 352x288@1200kbit

And tell me which one LOOKS better. There is no reason for me not to resize vertically, because i want best quality not some technical aspects which could theoretically decrease picture quality.

[Joergen]

I have tried, back in the VCD days and frankly losing half the frames in 50/60fps material plus losing resolution is not acceptable nor necessary for DVD.

But I do recommend not going below ~2000kbit average for most half-d1 material.

[SLA]

But I do recommend not going below ~2000kbit average for most half-d1 material. [/B]

This is the Problem. Most DVDs i want to backup with RB are ~8GB. And i dont want to waste 2000+ kbit for extra stuff. With such high bitrates the amount of space for main movie drops to a non-acceptable size. So i guess you are watching Main Movies encoded @ 2000kbit full resolution and extra stuff @ 3000kbit :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I also just asked if it would be possible to add this feature. I didnt asked you to use it or handle it the way i do. And if jdobbs wont include it i'll make a workaround for me

[Joergen]

From what I've done now (about 15 discs) the dynamic bit allocation works great in respect to extras, as the original discs usually have around 2/3 or half the bitrate of the main movie, which is translated to the backup via the dynamic bit allocation feature.

You can examine the bit distribution of the REBUILDER.ECL with ECL Optimizer and see how it works.

The lowest main movie encode I've done so far was 3500kbit and the movie was PROGRESSIVE and 2.35:1 (black bars) thus able to handle lesser bitrates, and came out excellent. In addition the extras looked fabulous.

[SLA]

3500kbit minimum? How do you do that? If i use a
bitrate calculator with following settings:
Filmlength: 2h
Audio: 2x448kbit
Other Iso stuff (menu etc.): 300mb
than i just get a average bitrate of ~3800 kbit and there is only Main-Movie, no Extra stuff (which is ~90 mins for Blade 2)

[Joergen]

Your problem is the audio 2x448kbit part which is a no-no for normal movies. Then you can also remove some subtitles to gain another 20-50MB. Test the compressibility of the menu through dvd-shrink and compress it 75-80% if it still looks as good as the original. Strip out menu languages if they exist.

And yes indeed the smallest average bitrate I've yet seen was around 3500kbit for all titles combined. This was with "Hollywood homicide" by means of compressing the menu 80%, removing the 2.0 stereo track (no need for it) and keeping the 5.1 DD one.

If you want to go down the "purist" line of not removing useless audio tracks, then you'll have some trouble trying to compress a movie that has a DTS track, two 5.1 language tracks that alone take up half of the disc. Not to mention some movies that have 1GB+ of unreferenced material :)

[insanescape]

what's unreferenced material anyway?

[Joergen]

It's dummy material that has no references to itself anywhere on the disc, ie like a page on a web site that no other page links to when you arrive through the web address (insert the disc) :) It's there taking up space but you never see it.

The largest I've seen was 1.6GB. Disney usually uses a huge 400-600MB black section full of I-frames that is tens of minutes long and doesnt compress nearly at all in a transcoder, yet its not necessarily unreferenced either. That can be taken care of with DVDRemake, DVDStripper or even Titlesetblanker if its in a VTS alone.

[robw]

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[djkilla]

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[Harm]

I already posted this in a bug report to find out that part of it was a suggestion.........

- What's the use of naming the first button Prepare when starting rebuilder and changing it to Process after the first preparation?
- There is no option to clear out path settings (besides deleting the line out of the ini file) or am I missing it?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Harm
I already posted this in a bug report to find out that part of it was a suggestion.........

- What's the use of naming the first button Prepare when starting rebuilder and changing it to Process after the first preparation?
- There is no option to clear out path settings (besides deleting the line out of the ini file) or am I missing it?

1. No use at all... in fact I never even noticed it said "Process" after running it, that was left over from when I first started coding it. It's fixed.

2. Nope, you're right. I'll fix that.

[Joergen]

Jdobbs: While youre fixing that, this simple quirck has followed DVD-RB for a long time; the save button in the options is greyed out if you tick or untick the Remove DTS option (so you have to click on some of the language stuff to be able to save). :)

[jdobbs]

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[wmansir]

jdobbs, are you still planning to implement anything with CCE 3:2 pulldown detect? I only ask because it is still a grayed out option on the menu and I don't think it would be very useful with the new way you handle RFF, which is much better for hybrid material than anything CCE could produce.

[wink]

I have some problem with backing up ntsc region 1 music dvd. The disc is interlaced, bff. I have tried with decomb, disable interlace etc. The dvd while plays keep stutter/freezing on same specific parts throughout the music for couple seconds. It happens with all dvd rebuilder up until v 0.45. When trying to back up with Big3 method, it plays fine. That leads me to believe that the image is good. I have wasted about 5-6 disks trying to backup that one disk so far. Suggestions are appreciated. thanks

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
jdobbs, are you still planning to implement anything with CCE 3:2 pulldown detect? I only ask because it is still a grayed out option on the menu and I don't think it would be very useful with the new way you handle RFF, which is much better for hybrid material than anything CCE could produce. Good point. I'd forgotten it was there. I'll remove it for the next version.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wink
I have some problem with backing up ntsc region 1 music dvd. The disc is interlaced, bff. I have tried with decomb, disable interlace etc. The dvd while plays keep stutter/freezing on same specific parts throughout the music for couple seconds. It happens with all dvd rebuilder up until v 0.45. When trying to back up with Big3 method, it plays fine. That leads me to believe that the image is good. I have wasted about 5-6 disks trying to backup that one disk so far. Suggestions are appreciated. thanks Could you tell me the name of the DVD? I've done testing with BFF and it worked successfully. Also, please try v0.46 -- I'd suggest an investment in a DVD-RW or +RW, those discs would have paid for it! :)

[wink]

it's asian music video :) that is one disc i had tried to back up and it keeps give me the same problem everytime. At first i thought it was the disk image being corrupted or didn't decrypt correctly so i use the big 3 methods. The picture comes out perfect. No freezing/stuttering at the trouble spot. The picture is perfect on windvd but only give problem on stanalone unit. I tested on the samsung & apex ad-1500 unit. I also have the same stuttering/freezing problem with another asian music video. This time it's interlace/TFF. Maybe it's time for me to get those dvd-rw disk. I'll try to make it more details next time.
CCE 2.5
Avisynth 2.54
Decomb 511
MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
ritek & princo disk

I do backup other movie with extras (interlace/TFF) and the result is perfect. No new software are installed the whole time. In the meantime, I'll look more into DVD Players that "stutter" with DVD-RB Authored Discs thread. Thanks jdobbs.

[JDay]

It looks like interlaced/progressive settings still aren't set for QuEnc...

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by JDay
It looks like interlaced/progressive settings still aren't set for QuEnc... Sorry, it got late and I decided to go with what I had -- there were some important bug fixes that had to take priority.

[DVD Maniac]

At the risk of adding even more to this mega thread some suggestions for future feature improvements of this great tool (in no particular order).

1. Ability to resize menus
2. Ability to set % resize to all Titles (not just Title Sets)
3. Target specific Titles to be "stripped" (either by single frame replacement or blank title)
4. Full Audio stream stripping correction. Currently, if you strip the default audio-stream then the resulting output plays the stripped default stream (ie silence). Some correction of the PGC's command table is required.
5. Sub Titke Stripping

These suggested enhancements are in no means meant as a complaint and I realise that there may be a lot of effort involved in implementing some of these features - so please no comments about me being too "picky". In fact, other than no 2. all the above can be accomplished using a two step process with the other one-clickers and Rebuilder and some manual intervention - it would be great to have everything done in one app :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DVD Maniac
At the risk of adding even more to this mega thread some suggestions for future feature improvements of this great tool (in no particular order).

1. Ability to resize menus
2. Ability to set % resize to all Titles (not just Title Sets)
3. Target specific Titles to be "stripped" (either by single frame replacement or blank title)
4. Full Audio stream stripping correction. Currently, if you strip the default audio-stream then the resulting output plays the stripped default stream (ie silence). Some correction of the PGC's command table is required.
5. Sub Titke Stripping

These suggested enhancements are in no means meant as a complaint and I realise that there may be a lot of effort involved in implementing some of these features - so please no comments about me being too "picky". In fact, other than no 2. all the above can be accomplished using a two step process with the other one-clickers and Rebuilder and some manual intervention - it would be great to have everything done in one app :)

1. Planned.
2. Not sure it will be worth the effort, but possibly.
3. Planned.
4. Planned. I hope to have "cross-mapping" of sub-streams added.
5. Probably won't happen -- the size of subtitles are just to small for the bother

[NobbyNobbs]

@JDobbs

Even if I agree that the subtitle files are small, try finding the norvegian subtitles with the subtitle button on some european DVD´s, after between 15-18 keypresses you will understand why a lot of us prefer removing subtitles.

PS never uses the subs myself if watching a movie alone, but some movies are better when you are 2 :D

[StifflerStealth]

For the "source path" we need to select x:\path\to\DVD_Name\VIDEO_TS folder. Instead, can you have it so we need to just select X:\path\to\DVD_Name. Then you could have the program scan that directory for JACKET_P and PC_DVD content and transfer that stuff over to the directory selected in working path. Is there any PC_DVD stuff in the IFO files? I have some InterAcual DVDs that have cool content for the PC that I would like to keep. There also might be other content on the disc that I am not thinking of that could be transfered as well.

[psdos]

why not support RB Ilvu? it is very difficult? thanks

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by psdos
why not support RB Ilvu? it is very difficult? thanks I've just put off some features until the program was stable.

[Joergen]

Great job with 0.46 again jdobbs!

About the subtitle stripping, I agree they're usually (9/10) around 15-20MB total on an R2 disc, but the biggest I've seen was nearer to 80MB with lots of commentary subtitles that were almost 10MB a piece (according to dvdshrink).

R1 discs prolly dont have more than english, french and spanish subs but R2 discs have around 10 subtitles most of the time and up to the wrong side of 20.

[unplugged]

jdobbs, could you adopt "mpeg2source("source.d2v",idct=7)" model in your default avs scripts, idct7 (simpleIDCT code from libavcodec) is best qualitywise and fast as others and with all CPUs (only idct5, for SSE2 and P4s, is little faster but slightly worse with quality).
From mpeg2dec3 doc:
iDCT : iDCT algo used.
0 : Default value (in .d2v file)
1 : 32 bit MMX
2 : 32 bit SSEMMX
3 : 64 bit FPU
4 : 64 bit IEEE-1180 Reference
5 : 32 bit SSE2 (for P4)
6 : Skal's SSEMMX iDCT (fastest)
7 : SimpleiDCT (Very accurate iDCT from XviD project)
default : 0

[[BMC]]

Great job on the latest version. I successfully backed up 2 dvds that I was unable to back up by any other methods.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT!!!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by unplugged
jdobbs, could you adopt "mpeg2source("source.d2v",idct=7)" model in your default avs scripts, idct7 (simpleIDCT code from libavcodec) is best qualitywise and fast as others and with all CPUs (only idct5, for SSE2 and P4s, is little faster but slightly worse with quality).
From mpeg2dec3 doc:
iDCT : iDCT algo used.
0 : Default value (in .d2v file)
1 : 32 bit MMX
2 : 32 bit SSEMMX
3 : 64 bit FPU
4 : 64 bit IEEE-1180 Reference
5 : 32 bit SSE2 (for P4)
6 : Skal's SSEMMX iDCT (fastest)
7 : SimpleiDCT (Very accurate iDCT from XviD project)
default : 0 I've never used this option. Are you positive it will have no negative affects?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by [BMC]
Great job on the latest version. I successfully backed up 2 dvds that I was unable to back up by any other methods.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT!!! Great news.

[DDogg]

jdobbs, there is something nagging me in the back of my head about that idct line. Enough to suggest you get nic or RB to weigh in on the subject.

[quantum]

Defaults are there for a reason. I wouldn't change them unless you're positive.

[deh707]

while trying to burn the VIDEO_TS folder in NERO, i get this:

6:42:09 PM #2 DVDREALLOC -22 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 1177
File 'VTS_02_0.VOB' is not referenced and should not be present

6:42:09 PM #3 Phase 115 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
DVD-Video files reallocation failed

the file VTS_02_0.VOB is 0 bytes, should i just delete it?

by the way, i am using the matrix revolutions dvd.


update, the original matrix revolutions dvd that i ripped in FILE MODE with dvd decryptor gave me a 0 byte VTS_02_0.VOB file, too.
what's going on?

[Joergen]

:search:

This is about the 8th time this has been brought up. Just delete the file like nero tells you to! (not referenced and SHOULD NOT BE PRESENT = GET RID OF IT) :D

And btw this is the comments thread not a bug report thread, eventhough thats not a bug.

[onesoul]

Hey, this is just a crazy thought but since procoder is so popular with interlaced sources (and quoting mb1 maybe because "it's the only encoder who supports field picture structure" although it doesn't define if output is progressive or not, like what was said before) and interlaced encoding by cce or others (except for dvdshrink/recode which I had good results, maybe I did something wrong but rejig didn't please me that much) isn't good, how about supporting procoder to handle that interlaced vts's and let cce (or other of your choice) to encode the progressive ones. This would mean the possible use of two engines in the same dvd, is it possible just for the thought? :)
Note that only procoder 1.5 and above accepts avisynth files.

[EddieTH]

I just started working with CCE Basic 2.69.01.04 and I noticed that while they have added Quantization Characteristics in this version, DVD Rebuilder still doesn't use it for ECL files in Basic mode.

[Video Dude]

jdobbs, great work on the program!

I have a suggestion:

With some black and white movies there is a problem with rainbows. Some movies are authored poorly to begin with and other times when they are re-encoded with a low bitrate rainbows tend to show up. Adding Greyscale() to the AviSynth files seems to clear up this rainbow problem, even when encoding at low bitrates.

In the advanced options, could you add the option Greyscale() like you did for Decomb? This would help solve the rainbow problem with black and white films.

Thanks again for providing us with such a great program.

[FreQi]

Are there plans to impliment a way to pause encoding?

I don't know how DVD-RB deals with other encoders, but when using CCE, I noticed that it's encoding each cell, feeding one ecl at a time to CCE. Would it be possible to have DVD-RB pause between ecl's and remember it's state to allow resuming from the next cell at a later time?

I sometimes find myself needing to reboot or capture a tv show while in the middle of an encode, and if DVD-RB would just hold off on sending the next job to CCE, I could do that.

And BTW, I am incredibly happy with this app. THANK YOU.

[borgraf]

Originally posted by FreQi
Are there plans to impliment a way to pause encoding?
Not keeping track of our posts are we? ;)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75069&

This is one for the FAQ :)