RipIt4Me - Update 22 March to v1.7.1.0

[techreactor]

Does anyone think that we are better off now without the tools and without the sources and waiting for the next new set of tools ????

Give it a thought!!!!

[setarip_old]

without the toolsThe only tool you are presently lacking is the (if needed) NEXT iteration of "RipIt4Me".

Still available:

1) All previously posted versions of RipIt4Me (Freeware) - I continue to use v.1.6.4 with total success, including new releases through this past Tuesday, April 10th

2) DVD95CopyPro (Commercial)

3) AnyDVD (Commercial)

4) DVDFab Decrypter (Freeware)

5) DVDFab Platinum/Gold, etc. (Commercial)

6) Others that just don't come to mind at the moment

[PatchWorKs]

Well, it's not the 1st case, as already sayd DVDdecrypter has been shooted down too.

The problem is: are decrypter-tools author pirates or not ?

I mean: why they choose closed source if already knows the risks ?

Two cases:
- they wanna make money;
- they uses "secrets" programming techniques;

in both cases the DMCA' shoot down is deserved.

Some links to GPL software that can access to DVD directly (no ripping required):

MediaCoder (http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/)
FairUse Wizard (http://www.fairusewizard.com/)

[techreactor]

The only tool you are presently lacking is the (if needed) NEXT iteration of "RipIt4Me".

Still available:

1) All previously posted versions of RipIt4Me (Freeware) - I continue to use v.1.6.4 with total success, including new releases through this past Tuesday, April 10th

2) DVD95CopyPro (Commercial)

3) AnyDVD (Commercial)

4) DVDFab Decrypter (Freeware)

5) DVDFab Platinum/Gold, etc. (Commercial)

6) Others that just don't come to mind at the moment

That raises another question, why only target Ripit4me and not these tools which perform the same function.

- Was the usage of DVDD (now owned by macrovision) at the backend the ONLY cause of its downfall !!!!

Seems highly likely, otherwise there would not be a single ripper left out, whether commercial or free by them.

[SamuriHL]

The only tool you are presently lacking is the (if needed) NEXT iteration of "RipIt4Me".

Still available:

1) All previously posted versions of RipIt4Me (Freeware) - I continue to use v.1.6.4 with total success, including new releases through this past Tuesday, April 10th

2) DVD95CopyPro (Commercial)

3) AnyDVD (Commercial)

4) DVDFab Decrypter (Freeware)

5) DVDFab Platinum/Gold, etc. (Commercial)

6) Others that just don't come to mind at the moment

Yes, seta's got it right. My only concern is for the future, not now. R4M may have ceased development, but, again like DVDD, that doesn't mean it's obsolete and should be relegated to the dustbin. This is the same thing people say about DVD Shrink, too. "Oh, no one's developing it anymore so it MUST be useless." Um, NO. There's only a problem IF and WHEN a new protection comes out that the current version of R4M can't handle. And even then it's only a problem if a new version of FixVTS can't clean it correctly. We are a LONG ways away from that point. No need to panic yet. The discussions we were having weren't meant to say that R4M is useless...it's just a "ok, where do we go from here" what/if scenario. :)

[SamuriHL]

That raises another question, why only target Ripit4me and not these tools which perform the same function.

- Was the usage of DVDD (now owned by macrovision) at the backend the ONLY cause of its downfall !!!!

Seems highly likely, otherwise there would not be a single ripper left out, whether commercial or free by them.

The others on that list are difficult to get to. Slysoft is based in a country with no laws against AnyDVD's existence. DVD Fab Decrypter is based in China where some parts of the country are difficult to get to from a legal stand point. They're probably trying, they just haven't been successful at targeting the others yet.

[SamuriHL]

Sounds like you folks have forgotten that VOBBlanker, in conjunction with DVD Decrypter, for quite some time, provided the perfect ripping scenario for all DVDs (most were Disney releases) containing the first iteration of "RipGuard" copy protection...

Was VobBlanker out before FixVTS? I'm sorry, my memory about the history of these two products is not so good. Just curious if VobBlanker was around and used for this purpose before FixVTS came along.

[bourtzovlakas]

Was VobBlanker out before FixVTS? I'm sorry, my memory about the history of these two products is not so good. Just curious if VobBlanker was around and used for this purpose before FixVTS came along.

Yes it was...

[blutach]

Sounds like you folks have forgotten that VOBBlanker, in conjunction with DVD Decrypter, for quite some time, provided the perfect ripping scenario for all DVDs (most were Disney releases) containing the first iteration of "RipGuard" copy protection...
True, but this is not how its author sees it.



Scope

VobBlanker is a tool able to blank, replace, cut and strip titles, more specifically, program chains in titles and menu domains. It is also able to work in cell based mode, doing different actions (blanking, replacing, reducing to still, split) in a cell by cell mode.
I don't see anything there about defeating copy protection.

As setarip says, "in conjunction with DVD Decrypter ...". It was DVD Decrypter that did the ripping. VobBlanker simply cleaned up afterwards. Without the rip, it couldn't function.

Anyone who thinks VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/vobblanker.htm) is a ripping solution (or even part of one) is way off beam, IMO. On that basis, so is Ner0 Rec0de, DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/) and indeed, Micro$oft Windoze Explorer (all with AnyDVD).

Ludicrous.

Regards

[SamuriHL]

Anyone who thinks VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/vobblanker.htm) is a ripping solution (or even part of one) is way off beam, IMO. On that basis, so is Ner0 Rec0de, DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/) and indeed, Micro$oft Windoze Explorer (all with AnyDVD).

Ludicrous.

Regards

Isn't that just semantics, however? After all, what does AnyDVD do on its own? It simply removes the protection on the fly. You still have to use SOMETHING to move the files from the DVD to the hard drive. So what is your definition of a "ripper" in this case? Is AnyDVD doing the "ripping"? Or is the program that's used to copy the files from the DVD to the hard drive doing the ripping? In the case of DVDD, it did both the protection removal and copying to the hard drive. In the case of AnyDVD, it only does the protection removal. So again, I say it's a matter of semantics.

[soulstace]

After all, what does AnyDVD do on its own? It simply removes the protection on the fly. You still have to use SOMETHING to move the files from the DVD to the hard drive.

AnyDVD can rip a DVD or HD-DVD to hard disk as well. Decryption is just the tool's main focus.

[SamuriHL]

AnyDVD can rip a DVD or HD-DVD to hard disk as well. Decryption is just the tool's main focus.

Right, and that function was added AFTER the fact because so many people contacted support about how to use AnyDVD to rip and the fact that Sony started introducing structural protection in the vobs. AnyDVD wasn't designed to remove that kind of protection, so their "kludge" was to add the AnyDVD ripper function that uses an older version of FixVTS to clean up the DVD structure. This was added so that Shrink users would still be able to use AnyDVD on the (at the time it was added) new protections. However, FixVTS changed its licensing so it was no longer possible for a commercial product like AnyDVD to include the source code. Therefore they weren't able to update that functionality. Nonetheless, originally AnyDVD was never designed as a ripper...it was designed as an on the fly solution to remove copy protection. At least, that's how Slysoft themselves talk about AnyDVD. You'll also note that they recommend that Shrink users purchase CloneDVD to use as a ripper(they call it the perfect ripping solution to use with AnyDVD). However, a lot of Shrink users were getting pissed at the idea of spending money on what they see as an inferior transcoding engine just to use it as a ripper for Shrink. That's when MBK on cdfreaks discovered that VobBlanker worked extremely well with AnyDVD to rip the DVD to the hard drive in such a way that Shrink owners could use it. So, I still say this whole discussion about AnyDVD and VobBlanker being a ripper is a matter of semantics and highly irrelevant...it simply works and gives Shrink users a way to work with the product they paid for without having to buy something else. Now, Slysoft is in the midst of writing their own ripper solution to use with AnyDVD, but, it will be some time before it's released. In the meantime, Shrink users have a temporary solution to the problem. Then again, they could always just use R4M for now, too, but, a lot of them paid for AnyDVD and expect to be able to use it.

[blutach]

You can't get past the fact that without AnyDVD, VobBlanker's use in the ripping process is nil. Just load a DVD in VobBlanker without having AnyDVD running and see how it goes.

As I said before, since AnyDVD is doing the decrypting and removing structural protection, you may as well use Windows Explorer. Does that make Windows Explorer a ripping tool? No. That would be ridiculous to assert that. AnyDVD is the ripping tool.

Regards

[SamuriHL]

You can't get past the fact that without AnyDVD, VobBlanker's use in the ripping process is nil. Just load a DVD in VobBlanker without having AnyDVD running and see how it goes.

As I said before, since AnyDVD is doing the decrypting and removing structural protection, you may as well use Windows Explorer. Does that make Windows Explorer a ripping tool? No. That would be ridiculous to assert that. AnyDVD is the ripping tool.

Regards

Try using explorer on a Sony title with AnyDVD and then opening it with Shrink. You won't get very far. There are only two solutions that allow you to do that...one is to rip in DL mode with CloneDVD and the other is to use VobBlanker. Otherwise the protection in the VOBs is NOT cleaned up and DVD Shrink will not be able to open the result. So I really don't care what you call it, the simple fact is there are currently only two solutions for DVD Shrink users who want to use AnyDVD on the latest Sony protections...one will cost them money and the other won't.

[outsiders71]

Why don't these authors just include a tidbit when you startup the program that prevents them from being at fault for mis-use?

[SamuriHL]

That's moving the goal posts, somewhat.


If you say so.


And you don't seem to be getting it - Vobblanker isn't "ripping" the DVD contents, then, it's cleaning up certain aspects to the rip

Ok, so explain to me how I make a backup with AnyDVD alone? What is it that you don't understand about this? I'm using VobBlanker to copy the files from the DVD to the hard drive. Yes, it requires AnyDVD in order to do so. Yey. Call AnyDVD a "ripper" if you want...


Well quite - so it seems. Why let being correct or accurate about it, get in the way...

Sure, ok. I suppose the people who WROTE AnyDVD who say it's NOT a ripper are wrong. That's fine.


Who suddenly made the whole definition of ripping DVD contents specific to DVDshrink?

Who said I was doing that? You apparently didn't read what I said very carefully. The fact that DVD Shrink is being used on the files at the end of the "copying process" (does THAT satisfy you at all??) is completely irrelevant to this discussion. I simply said that VobBlanker was being used to copy the files from the DVD to the hard drive by a lot of Shrink users who got screwed by the latest Sony protection. You could just as easily use Recode, DVD-RB, CloneDVD, whatever at the end of the "copying process". In any case, this is STILL a semantics issue.


There's clearly more than two - simply because once ripped something like vobblanker, probably pgcedit, and almost certainly fixvts, will be able to clean-up the structure so that DVDshrink would be able to process it.

Really, FixVTS works, eh? Apparently you've never tried it. I want you to go ahead and rip a recent Sony DVD using nothing but AnyDVD, then clean it up with FixVTS, and then do a full disc backup with Shrink. Not a movie only, mind you, a full disc backup. Let me know how you make out. When that completely fails for you, try it with VobBlanker...open the video_ts.ifo file on the Sony DVD as input, select a folder on the hard drive as output, hit the process!! button, and then open that hard drive folder with Shrink.

P.S. The reason I use shrink as a standard for "ripping" is because it REQUIRES a clean DVD structure. That means NO structural protection remnants can be left over in the rip.

[setarip_old]

With all the bickering and hairsplitting that's evolved here, perhaps it would be beneficial to remember that this thread is about "RipIt4Me" - and the simple fact of the matter is that, as of today, the "RipIt4Me" package (even the older v.1.6.4, that I continue to use) can still properly process all DVD-compliant commercialDVDs...

[SamuriHL]

With all the bickering and hairsplitting that's evolved here, perhaps it would be beneficial to remember that this thread is about "RipIt4Me" - and the simple fact of the matter is that, as of today, the "RipIt4Me" package (even the older v.1.6.4, that I continue to use) can still properly process all DVD-compliant commercialDVDs...

Sorry. I'll take the blame for the off topic stuff and let it drop now. My apologies.

[kurt]

With all the bickering and hairsplitting that's evolved here, perhaps it would be beneficial to remember that this thread is about "RipIt4Me" - and the simple fact of the matter is that, as of today, the "RipIt4Me" package (even the older v.1.6.4, that I continue to use) can still properly process all DVD-compliant commercialDVDs...
nope, not ALL. I had some issues with Parfume R2 (I/O Error) today. Anydvd without DDecrypter solved the problem, even if it wasn't possible to rip the entire disk. Title 10 IIRC failed. The thread on Daily Digest is gone unfortunately....

Probably you would call this DVD not complaint, right?

[SamuriHL]

@Lester Burnham

I've agreed to drop the discussion. I'll take your points under consideration, however. My ONLY goal with bringing up the VobBlanker thing was to let the people who use Shrink and AnyDVD know that there's a solution to the problem of the latest Sony discs. FixVTS does not work for them on this issue...I've tried it, it fails. They can use R4M, DVD Fab Decrypter, or a number of other methods other than AnyDVD, yes. VobBlanker does more than simply copy the files...it's rewriting and cleaning up the VOBs as it's copying the files. Assuming that you're using AnyDVD, which you stated you're not, the only other way to get a CLEAN DVD structure that DVD Shrink can open is to use CloneDVD to do the copying. It also cleans up the VOBs as its copying. AnyDVD by itself won't do this and DVD Shrink will fail to open the files. That's my only point. I don't care if it's called a ripper or not. If it'll make everyone happy, I'll gladly call it whatever you want...that part's not important to me. What IS important is that people who like DVD Shrink still have options on the latest titles. If kurt's post is correct, R4M may be in trouble. :( That means less options for us all and that truly sucks.

In any case, peace and I will leave this subject alone. My intention was never to cause such a huge discussion over this and for that I sincerely apologize to everyone.

[SamuriHL]

nope, not ALL. I had some issues with Parfume R2 (I/O Error) today. Anydvd without DDecrypter solved the problem, even if it wasn't possible to rip the entire disk. Title 10 IIRC failed. The thread on Daily Digest is gone unfortunately....

Probably you would call this DVD not complaint, right?

That's rather ungood news. :( Hopefully a work around can be found to allow R4M to work with whatever new, nasty protection they put on this disc. The AnyDVD status window will tell you what protection you're up against. If it's ARccOS or RipGuard then yes, definitely not compliant.

[jsoto]

VobBlanker is not a ripping tool, it is an editing tool.

However it is true that it includes code to manage corrupt VOBs, and it is also able to recalculate a lot of internal pointers. But all of those things are oriented to recover as many data as possible and not to remove specific protections.

jsoto

[SamuriHL]

VobBlanker is not a ripping tool, it is an editing tool.

However it is true that it includes code to manage corrupt VOBs, and it is also able to recalculate a lot of internal pointers. But all of those things are oriented to recover as much data as possible and not to remove specific protections.

jsoto

Then my apologies to you for even inferring that it is a ripper. I am wrong. Thank you for the clarification.

[setarip_old]

@kurtHi!Probably you would call this DVD not complaint, right?That's absolutely correct!The "Das Parfum" DVD has clearly been indicated to be NON-compliant (Duplicate .IFOs, etc.) in many posts at this and other forums. Simply do a "Search" for "Das Parfum" at this and other video forums to understand the details.

So I repeat, as of today, the "RipIt4Me" can handle any compliant DVD...

[blutach]

As far as compliance goes, setarip_old has observed in the past that studios are not allowed to put the DVD-Video label on if the DVD is not compliant with the standard/specification.

So, the structures we have seen recently must be compliant. As mpucoder said here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=971592#post971592): Hardware players only need VIDEO_TS.IFO (under the Micro-UDF filesystem)

If a software player is to emulate perfectly a hardware one, it also should only need that in the DVD's filesystem and ignore the rest, including multiple entries.

This should imply that software players that are properly written should also be able to play the original DVD - even those ones that have appeared in Germany recently - since VIDEO_TS.IFO is unambiguously in the filesystem.

Unfortunately, many software players (and even some hardware players) can not as it seems they rely on the filesystem.

Regards

[SamuriHL]

One of the great things about R4M, at least to me, was its uncanny ability to clean up screwed up DVD structures such as that found on Sony and Disney discs(arccos and ripguard repsectively). This is why I use the DVD Shrink "test for compliance"...it requires a flawless DVD structure which R4M usually can supply. If these latest discs are SO screwed up that software and hardware players are having problems playing them, then it doesn't fit my personal definition of compliance. Yes, they can use the DVD logo and are probably technically within spec, but, that doesn't make it ok to me. :) It's pretty sad when you need to make a backup not just to keep your original safe, but, in order to even play the thing at all! This latest development with R4M not working on this title worries me. I was hoping that it would take much longer before we found ourselves in that situation. This does NOT mean R4M is useless and should be thrown out. FAR from it. This is (currently) one disc in one region. But it could be a sign of things to come...

[setarip_old]

@blutach

You appear to be contradicting yourself. In the following thread (and several others at both Doom9 and another forum), you referred to "Das Parfum" as being an "illegal" DVD...

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=970768&postcount=2

[SamuriHL]

Oh, NASTY...I just found this article talking about the protection used on this disc. It's more than just one, apparently, and it's going to upset a LOT of people. Enjoy!

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=114

[blutach]

I always defer to mpucoder setarip. Everyone does :)

Regards

[setarip_old]

@SamuriHL

That article was dated October 2006 - and includes the statement that:The other day they released an updated version of AnyDVD which effortlessly bypasses Protect DVD-Video.The reason I mention the date of the article is that I can't recall seeing any postings indicating that anyone had run into this proposed copy protection in the real world or, if they did, they had no difficulty circumventing it...

[SamuriHL]

@SamuriHL

That article was dated October 2006 - and includes the statement that:The reason I mention the date of the article is that I can't recall seeing any postings indicating that anyone had run into this proposed copy protection in the real world or, if thay did, they had no difficulty circumventing it...

The reason I posted that article is because I was looking for more information on Das Parfum and ran across a posting in the DVD Fab forum on cdfreaks that suggests that the protection on this and a few other discs is a new version of the Protect DVD Video copy protection. Around the same time those titles came out, AnyDVD was updated to deal with them. So yes, the article is a bit old, but, it's the same protection they are talking about.

(Slightly off topic) One of the reasons it's taking Slysoft so long in creating a new stand alone ripper for AnyDVD is that they want to add support for these screwed up protections and they want to find a "clever" solution to the problem.

If R4M can't deal with this protection, then it's likely we'll see more of it popping up in other regions on soon to be released discs. And that would suck for everyone.

[SamuriHL]

@setarip_old

Sorry, I just realized that I didn't post a link to the cdfreaks post I was referring to and I know you like it when people back up their posts with links.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1738229&postcount=7

[DetroitBaseball]

What has happened to RipIt4Me??

[SamuriHL]

Well, it's no longer being developed for one. And now it seems there's a new version of a protection that the current(last) version of R4M can't handle. Extremely sad news. But, once again, it doesn't mean R4M is completely useless...it just means that there are some discs it can't handle.

[DetroitBaseball]

I know, but why isn't it being developed anymore?

[SamuriHL]

There's no hard information on that. Speculation is rampant in this thread so you may want to read through the last few pages.

[DetroitBaseball]

Either way, I use AnyDVD as you already know Samuri, but I really liked RipIt4Me as a great free alternative. RIP.

[SamuriHL]

As do I, but, yes, R4M was extremely beneficial to the community and will be sadly missed. Just make sure you download the latest version before it disappears or becomes difficult to find. It's still an extremely useful product to have kicking around.

[DetroitBaseball]

As do I, but, yes, R4M was extremely beneficial to the community and will be sadly missed. Just make sure you download the latest version before it disappears or becomes difficult to find. It's still an extremely useful product to have kicking around.
I keep a lot of programs on my flash drive. I have it saved. It will eventually not work on most new DVDs though, sadly.

[SamuriHL]

It is unfortunately a good probability. I don't like any situation that eliminates a consumer's choice...and the decision the studios made to get rid of R4M does exactly that. What bites is that we now have discs that can't even be played by the legitimate owner on their expensive AV equipment(be it a HTPC or a new high end stand alone player). Backing it up and removing the protection was at least ONE viable method for enjoying their purchase. Now the choice of products to use to make that backup is smaller. Wonderful...

[setarip_old]

I can't quite put my finger on it but, is there something ironic that smacks of overkill, in adding new protection schemes to German releases, when it's (as I understand) totally illegal to make any kind of DVD backups under German law?

Does anyone know if the R1 version of "Das Parfum" contains the same copy protection scheme?

[SamuriHL]

It's not released in any other region yet. I BELIEVE region 2 is scheduled for this month? And I have no idea what protection is on that version.

[techreactor]

Well, it's no longer being developed for one. And now it seems there's a new version of a protection that the current(last) version of R4M can't handle. Extremely sad news. But, once again, it doesn't mean R4M is completely useless...it just means that there are some discs it can't handle.

Where did you see this new protection, I mean in which DVD ??

[setarip_old]

@techreactor

Hi!Where did you see this new protection, I mean in which DVD ??As discussed earlier in this thread, a few German releases, including "Das Parfum"...

[SamuriHL]

Yea, as Seta said, apparently on a few German releases. I don't live in Germany so I have yet to see this. It was mentioned by someone else that they couldn't rip Das Parfum with R4M so I went and did a search for that movie to find out what kind of protection it was using. The folks at Slysoft updated AnyDVD on 3/15 to handle this and 2 more discs that use this foolish protection. In fact, in the AnyDVD change log they had quite a bit to say about how ridiculous this particular protection is. For instance, if you spent a lot of money building an HTPC, you would be pretty mad to find out that these discs don't play on it. Fortunately I have AnyDVD installed on my HTPC so even if this protection is found in other regions, it won't affect me. But I find it rather disheartening that R4M is "defeated" by this ugly protection.

[setarip_old]

(Originally asked on 3/22 - No answers)

I do not have access to the "Das Parfum" DVD, but I'm curious to know if (as I've done with other DVDs) you can use "RipIt4me" in ".ISO" mode to make a true 1:1 copy, including the protection scheme,and burn it to a DVD9...

[kurt]

sorry, if I would still own the DVD I would try it....

[RedFox 1]

I can't find the FixVTS homepage now, is that gone too.:devil:

[setarip_old]

@alan1476

Hi!

Quickly try:

http://download.videohelp.com/FixVTS/Downloads.htm

[SamuriHL]

FixVTS has also been removed from existence.

http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=327789

SIGH...