Inexpensive BD-R Media

[RobertM]

the new batches of Verbatim DL come from India

The last batch of Verbatim DVD-DLs that I purchased were made in Singapore, and they work fine. I'll keep this in mind and report back when I have to replenish my supply.

[worknstiff]

@RobertM Re:The last batch of Verbatim DVD-DLs that I purchased were made in Singapore, and they work fine.
I was not knocking the Verbatims either, I was just tired of having to buy them even on sale for 29.00 dollars for a 20 pack. Then I saw these Optical Qunatum DVD+R DL's that other people said were of good quality. I agree with everyone about the other crappy DL's like Memorex etc. I just liked that the Optical Quantums were less than a buck a piece and worth a go to see if they were comparable to Verbs. I used about 100 of them with no problems untill this new sandybridge computer with 12x asus bluray drive came along and now I am getting coasters. I don't know if maybe it's a bad spindle or just damged in shipping. I am hoping the burning troubles will go away if I go back to using verbatim DL's again, if not maybe I have some configuration problems to sort out. I wanted to see if anyone else is having problems with these disk too. thanks for all the input, worknstiff

PS: I order the Verbatims from Newegg in CA, and they are from Singapore also, but if you look on the label it says Verbatim Americas LLC Charlotte, NC. I live about 7 miles from there and have to buy them from California because none of the office chains, big box electronics stores, or even Wallymart carry them or can't beat Newegg's prices. How can they be shipped accross the country twice and still be cheaper than buying local???

[QBhd]

I used to have issues burning DL disks with my older LG burner... I went and got a Samsung burner and now every DL disk I throw at it burns without any failure. Makes things nice when I can just grab the cheap Memorex disks that burn at 8x... BTW it was a cheap Samsung drive...

QB

[Ghitulescu]

The last batch of Verbatim DVD-DLs that I purchased were made in Singapore, and they work fine. I'll keep this in mind and report back when I have to replenish my supply.

MIS is also my preferred source for verbatims DL.

[ripburnlearn]

Hey guys, the 50 pack of BD-Rs are on sale for $37 again at newegg! Be quick, these sales NEVER last! Amazing price!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817607054&Tpk=N82E16817607054

[buffalofloyd]

Hey guys, the 50 pack of BD-Rs are on sale for $37 again at newegg! Be quick, these sales NEVER last! Amazing price!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817607054&Tpk=N82E16817607054

Just ordered myself some of these discs. Never burned to a BD disc before cause they're so damn expensive but these were a reasonable price. Hopefully they are not garbage!

[buffalofloyd]

Wow, got my Vinpower bee's in the mail yesterday and ripped off about 10 burns so far with no issues. +1 for those discs, nice and reasonably priced!

[jfcarbel]

I prefer these RiData (http://www.rima.com/prod/1817.html)to the Optical Quantum. They are thicker and seem more durable. They are inkjet printable to the hub and print just fine on my Artisan 710. And are priced very reasonable for inkjet printable. You can also get them at newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132071)as well.

They get high ratings and I have not had a single bad burn out of 30. Then again I use ImgBurn and the very reliable Pioneer burner.

These Optical Quantums (http://www.genesysdtp.com/index.htm?oqldbdrdetails.htm) look very good too and I wonder if they are thicker then the silver ones that seem thin and are sold at newegg.

For DVD-DL I still prefer the Verbatims and I also buy these from rima.com since they are a highly reputable and recommended seller. The last 50 pack I ordered were inkjet printable DVD-DL and were from Singapore.

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[laserfan]

I have had very good luck with Memorex-branded Ritek BD-Rs and DVD+R DLs lately myself. And it was not very long ago where Memorex and Ritek were total bleep! So Ritek seems to have gotten its act together very well.

[jdobbs]

I rarely have problems with any brand of BD discs. But Ritek just happens to have been an example of where it happened -- so I've been a little resistant to buy them since then.

[jfcarbel]

And it was not very long ago where Memorex and Ritek were total bleep! So Ritek seems to have gotten its act together very well.

Agreed, when I was reading reviews on the Ritek media on other forums and this one, I was like - "is this the same crappy Ritek I remember." But comments were so positive that 8 months ago I gave their media a try and am quite happy to say I have not had a single coaster. But I will for sure go back to this media in 1 and 2 years and do a scan to make sure they still hold up.

Anyone here scan Ritek BD-R media after significant interval? If so, could you post on results.

Before this I was always a Verbatim BD-R advocate and still use both brands. I just wish Verbatim prices on the inkjet printable versions would come down near the Ritek prices. If they did, I would probably swing back to Verbatim.

I am quite interested to see someones experience with these (http://www.amazon.com/DIGISTOR-50GB-BD-R-Media-pack/dp/B004DNA0HI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top) below $5 BD-R 50GB DL media. In fact, never heard of Digistor until seeing someone post about them here. Anyone here yet give these a try?

[techno1]

Be quick guys $38 for a 50 pack of Optical Quantum: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817607054

Make sure to enter in that coupon code. This deal is for 24 hours only.

I ran out of RiDATA discs this week and "backed-up" True-Grit on some Optical Quantum SL media I've had for a few months. Sure enough my LG standalone player froze and skipped a dozen times or more and locked up at the end. I haven't had this problem with RiDATA media. I use two LG BD Rewriters. One reads, one writes, and ImgBurn. I still have the .iso file so I might run the verify option in ImgBurn against the disc, but I suspect it's a player issue with the Philip R04 media. I'll report back my findings.

[jfcarbel]

I ran out of RiDATA discs this week and "backed-up" True-Grit on some Optical Quantum SL media I've had for a few months. Sure enough my LG standalone player froze and skipped a dozen times or more and locked up at the end. I haven't had this problem with RiDATA media. I use two LG BD Rewriters. One reads, one writes, and ImgBurn. I still have the .iso file so I might run the verify option in ImgBurn against the disc, but I suspect it's a player issue with the Philip R04 media. I'll report back my findings.

Yes, these discs have been problematic with LGs. It seems my Pioneer loves all discs equally. If you ever upgrade your burner in the future go with Pioneer. Ever burner I have owned was a Pioneer and I can only recall burning 2-3 bad DVDs and no bad BDs in over 300+ burns.

[jdobbs]

Yes, these discs have been problematic with LGs. It seems my Pioneer loves all discs equally. If you ever upgrade your burner in the future go with Pioneer. Ever burner I have owned was a Pioneer and I can only recall burning 2-3 bad DVDs and no bad BDs in over 300+ burns.

My LG has no problems with Optical Quantums at all.

[slimm]

Neither does mine. I have two.

[Stereodude]

Rule number one of any burned disc is do a full verify after burning. If the drive that burned it can't read it, toss it and try again. Verbatim BD-R's are the only brand I've not had fail a verify (yet?). I can't say the same for Optical Quantum (Philips) or Memorex (Ritek).

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

Being new to backing up BDs I am considering starting to burn BD-25's instead of BD5's or BD9's. This may already be in this thread, but I've looked through a lot of it and haven't seen it. Can someone tell me the deal about Verbatim's LTH discs? Are they better/worse than others, or is there really no difference at this time? I have a Panasonic BD player, and my understanding is Panasonic players can play LTH discs with the latest firmware (which my player should already have gotten). Are they compatible with other players? If my Panasonic craps out, I don't want to have a bunch of discs I can't play in a new machine. Also, do they require a special burner, or can any BD burner burn those discs?

TIA.

SMK

[Ch3vr0n]

The list of compatible players for the verbatim LTH's is available on the verbatim site but don't bother. From what i've heard they've stopped production on them due to the low amount of compatible devices. Doesn't bother me one bit, they swapped back to the normal ones that can burn at 8-10x

[A.Fenderson]

re LTH:

I've had lots of luck with these: the Verbatim LTH work as well as the Verbatim BD-R (HTL/MABL) discs (or better--they're considered "archival quality" according to this site (http://blog.consumerpla.net/2011/02/best-blu-ray-media-brands-review.html)), so long as you make sure your equipment is compatible FIRST: don't assume it will be. This takes some effort.

The list mentioned above is here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=155169), I posted it, but I haven't updated it in quite a while. IMO, there's nothing wrong with BD-R LTH tech, it's just that since it wasn't part of the spec all along, compatibility with any given device is hit-or-miss.

Also, I've never seen these claims that BD-R LTH discs will be discontinued substantiated anywhere--not saying it's untrue, just that no one who's claimed it has ever provided so much as a link that I've seen. :-)

[Ch3vr0n]

I havent seen an official statement either, its just what my store told me :) That being said if it is true i'm glad they did. The normal ones can burn 25GB in about 15minutes, 2X LTH would take 45 or longer

[A.Fenderson]

That is definitely a factor: it's hard to wait on a 2x LTH to burn when regular 6x discs are done so much faster!

However, I just found these Verbatim 6x LTH discs (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/783593-REG/Verbatim_97344_25GB_6x_Branded_Blu_ray.html)--I've never seen those before. Perhaps LTH is moving forward after all instead of being discontinued. Here's a compatibility chart from Verbatim-Europe (http://www.verbatim-europe.co.uk/pdfs/BD%20Writer%20Compatibility_1.pdf) that includes the 2x and 6x LTH discs.

[jdobbs]

JMHO -- But I'd stay away from LTH. Why ask for trouble when "real" blu-ray discs are available at the same price?

[Ghitulescu]

That is definitely a factor: it's hard to wait on a 2x LTH to burn when regular 6x discs are done so much faster!

You'll loose more time (and money) for repeating the burning every 3-6 months than by doing it at 2x, as high speed burning lowers the quality and the life expectancy of the media.

PS: I've never burnt a BDR at higher than 2x speeds, but I see no reason to deviate from the teaching both the CD and the DVD learned us (me :)).

[hello_hello]

You'll loose more time (and money) for repeating the burning every 3-6 months than by doing it at 2x, as high speed burning lowers the quality and the life expectancy of the media.

Not necessarily. Some burners burn to a particular dye better at faster speeds, some burn to the same dye better at slower speeds. It all depends on the writing strategy of the burner, the firmware, the quality of the hardware, the dye being used etc...
If a particular dye is rated at a certain speed and a good quality burner writes well at that speed, there's nothing to say it'll do a better job at slower speeds, and if in fact the dye is designed to be burned at a certain speed using a certain laser power there's no guarantee lowering both won't reduce the quality. Ever seen blank DVDs which state "for use in high speed burners only"?
There's absolutely no way you can make a generalisation which says higher speeds = lower quality, because it's simply not true.

PS: I've never burnt a BDR at higher than 2x speeds, but I see no reason to deviate from the teaching both the CD and the DVD learned us (me :)).

I can't imagine what that might have been.

[Ghitulescu]

Not necessarily. Some burners burn to a particular dye better at faster speeds, some burn to the same dye better at slower speeds. It all depends on the writing strategy of the burner, the firmware, the quality of the hardware, the dye being used etc...
If a particular dye is rated at a certain speed and a good quality burner writes well at that speed, there's nothing to say it'll do a better job at slower speeds, and if in fact the dye is designed to be burned at a certain speed using a certain laser power there's no guarantee lowering both won't reduce the quality. Ever seen blank DVDs which state "for use in high speed burners only"?
There's absolutely no way you can make a generalisation which says higher speeds = lower quality, because it's simply not true.



I can't imagine what that might have been.

I've tried to explain this several times this issue. I assume you have a good memory (in contrast to other capacities) so I won't repeat it.

And I haven't said "higher speed = lower quality" just "highest speed = lower quality". There is an optimum, a fine balance between the overburning of the dye (which is largely overrated) and other issues, to me more important, like the jitter. The manufacturers label their media according to tests performed on statistical samples taken from larger batches, especially at the beginning of a new technology. Like with CPUs and memories, some discs may be very well "overclocked". And again, like CPUs and memories, not all of them may be "overclocked".

What I can find it curious (the actual meaning is another one) is that nobody cared to show the damages of DVDR burned at 24x, but I can tell that my first DVDRs (burned at 1x, both media and burner rated 4x) some 8-9 years ago, are way below the limits sets by the standard (tested with a Plextor) showing almost no sign of ageing. And nobody likes to make himself a fool by admitting he creates coasters using the max. speed, these reports are usually found in various fora by accident and generally related to other issues.

[Groucho2004]

And I haven't said "higher speed = lower quality" just "highest speed = lower quality".
No, you have not:
You'll loose more time (and money) for repeating the burning every 3-6 months than by doing it at 2x, as high speed burning lowers the quality and the life expectancy of the media.

You remind me of politicians. They also are skilled in denying what they said when it suits them. Very annoying.

[Ghitulescu]

The higher the burning speed the higher the need for the perfect timing - any wrong nanosecond increases the jitter. On top comes the mechanical vibrations that make the laser burn also wrong places.
Jitter is usually not measurable with most drives (it is usually read as data error), but when it goes up you're screwed, few drives have such a good error correction to overcome wrong data. The overburning of the dye is mostly overrated - how come that a burner can do 4x-54x for CDRs and 4x or 6x-24x for DVDRs? How come that professional CD-Recorders, that use 1x, 2x or 4x optics (they used in the '90ies for CD-writers), happily burn 52x computer CDRs in real time, that is 1x, CDRs that play better in standalones and caraudios than CDRs burned in PC-drives at higher/highest speeds (to get the same laser exposure for the dye)? "Smoke gets in your dyes", or what? Someone even wrote that the burners cannot change the laser intensity, which is utterly false ... they can and they do it every time before the actual burn but the designers don't want to spend resources in finetuning their drives for speeds that nobody wants to use them anyway.

However, I'm sick and tired to give one person (under two ids) the opportunity to hunt for errors, as a goal of his life.
Be happy and burn your blanks at speeds that suit your expectations. I know mines ...

[RoyGBiv-inRI]

Well, I thank all of you for the LTH info. I believe that when I do go ahead and get a BD burner, I will just use BD-R media and not likely LTH (unless something changes in the interval).

Thanks.

SMK

[Ghitulescu]

I assume you're old enough to remember the claims of the early nineties, "speeds higher than 4x are unrealistic due to technical issues", also those of the beginning of the new millenium, about the same speed but for the DVD.... And if you're even more older, you'd probably learned by now how to "read" the marketing announcements. I said probably because it's not prima facie evident.

And it's not overburning of the disc (burning more than the rated capacity) but overburning the dye (ie heating it more than it can stand).

The rest of your arguments are theoretical sophisms (ie deductions based on literature and advertising rather than on facts, speculations). On my side, I never had any coaster (except for those DL yielded by a defective burner - it started to burn the DVD, and realised it cannot burn it and aborted the operation but leaving the leadin already written - damn, I wouldn't expect such a behaviour from a Pioneer, since then no Pioneers anymore) and the old discs are as good as they initially were and on par with the fresh burned ones. If one wants to profit from my experience, fine, if not, again, fine.

And if you scroll back the thread of DVD burning quality, you'll find there my experience with a 15 years old Matsushita burner, able to burn DVDR at only 1x (it was built when speeds higher than 4x were technically not possible, remember?) and (of course) RAMs, that burned with its default strategy some 16x-rated nonames at 1x, in the same quality as a tuned Plextor at its optimum strategy for that brand. So much about the laser power, high speed optimisation, and other balooney marketing slogans. My even older TEAC R50 (built even before the RID was invented) burns happily any high speed name or noname CDR with excellent relative quality (there are no longer quality CDRs today, except maybe the CD-R Audio, expensive, and of course the pro/studio ones, very expensive).

You may wanna say that older burners are optimized for lower speeds, but the high speed drives cannot burn at 1x without damaging the dye? Well, let's take the 54x Plextor Premium, that happily burns any CDR at 1x if I instruct it to do this. Or the 44x Yamaha F1. With the same excellent quality. I want even more quality? I'll activate the AMQR (which defaults to 1x, 2x or 4x, depending on the drive, not on the media). How come that the engineers of Yamaha and Plextor never thought of overburning the dye at lower speeds, or did they not find yet that the laser power is fixed? Or the engineers of TEAC, that even today put the optics of their 15 years old W54 (4x) into the professional line of CDR recorders? All the optics in Philips (Marantz, Denon etc.) are the same good old CDD2600 (2x), and yes, these units can be tricked to burn 54x-rated CDRs. Don't they know how bad is to burn at lower speeds, god forbid 1x (real time)? While for you, loosing a disc because of a bad burn is nothing, most people anyway copy not create, a bad burn in a live session is a disaster, an irreplaceable thing.

I think we're getting around. So I'll end here. Not before that I have to say that I've seen the newer generations of BDR in the shelves and they look by far lower quality than their predecessors. The quality drop was even faster than in the CDR/DVDR cases. So a piece of advice, keep well your originals, don't rely on their copies to reconstruct it later on, you may have a bad suprise.

[Ghitulescu]

If you want to ask questions, then open a thread of your own.

[Ghitulescu]

May the Plextor 760 be considered "contemporary", as opposed to 20 years gear? It's the last genuine Plextor.
The best speed over 3 brands (I don't buy crap anyway) is 6x for SL and 4x for DL. Not 18x. Not 16x. This doesn't mean that the burns at 16x are defective, they are quite good indeed, just that not so good as the lowest speed. People don't care, but I do. I pay premium prices and I expect to get premium quality.
I don't want to buy the latest crappy liteons just to see that they are "optimised" for high speeds (because this is the marketing direction and advantage - speed) as opposed to "optimised upon a larger range of speeds". Of course they'll burn bad at 8x or 4x since anyway nobody from the targeted customers will ever attempt to do a 8x, if both the media and the drive were 16x rated they'll cry for 20x.
About outraged consumers, I think there are many hits on google - just that few people consider it justified to complain about a DVDR that costs 0.10$ apiece, they burn another and end of story.

[a.green817]

With BD Rebuilder getting fairly stable now (especially for BD-25 backups) I thought I'd start a thread where we can post our experiences with media that's available and help each other find good deals.

In the past I'd been sticking mainly to Ritek BD-R media, but I recently decided to try and started using these Optical Quantum discs (http://www.meritline.com/optical-quantum-4x-blu-ray-white-inkjet-oqbdr04ipw---p-32886.aspx). So far my luck has been good -- not bad for $79 for a cakebox of 25 ($3.16 each). I haven't hit a bad one yet after about half of one stack (that could be dumb luck), I'll update this post if if I do.

Note: I have no affilliation with MERITLINE -- and I would expect that anyone else posting stick by that rule... otherwise this thread could become a SPAM nightmare and I'll have to close it.

i have been using traxdata no probs no coasters 4x printable £46 for 50 free postage from ebay

[Ghitulescu]

So the Plextor 16x burns are not only not defective, they're actually quite good? So are you saying burning at 16x you won't lose more time (and money) by repeating the burning every 3-6 months, or does "quite good indeed" still lower the quality and the life expectancy of the media? I'm just trying to understand whether you've changed your mind or confused yourself.

I am not confused, but you take disparate pieces of information from various parts of the message, use them out of their context, and hocus pokus, bingo, contradiction.

People don't buy premium products, that are subjected to tighter QC than the cheaper ones (mostly just putting a goldish QC sticker ;)). People are interested more in speed than in quality, and on the very top, the price.

Please don't confuse premium products with mass production. Part of the premium price is the guarantee that this particular product gives quality burns. And it does.

I explained several times the burning technology, yet people like you, that believe every word of the marketing depts, believe that God locally changed the universal physics laws to suit their claims. So, the same dye misteriously (and divinily) changes its meltdown temperature to be optimised for higher speeds.

Yes, I use my extensive experience with CDR and DVDR, since I am not in the possession of BDR quality control tools/software. That a BDR is correctly written (and is correctly read back) is not a guarantee for its quality. Climatic tests have been already shown for CDRs and DVDRs, that even the best burns could age rapidly, while burns that were just OK aged very slow (it's called stability). I see no reason to depart from the teaching CDR/DVDR provided me, since the technology is the same.

One should also not forget that the blue laser rots much rapidly than the red one, so a medium quality burning will sonner stress the reading device than a good one, unlike the DVD (or CD) where these tolerances were high enough.

[Wolfe999]

@Ghitulescu & hello_hello: In no way this comment is meant to offend you... but you're beginning to hijack this thread seriously and completely, and I don't think that's of any use to people like me who come here to see if they can find a new offer posted or some worthy information about x brand of media.

So, please, could you take this discussion to a thread of its own? I believe it would benefit everybody, as we'd all know where to go to read what we want to read at any specific moment.

Thank you :)

[RobertM]

Wolfe,... agreed. This thread is supposed to be about where to find good deals on blank media. Somebody should shut down this argument.

[laserfan]

Just click on the ! icon on their posts and let a mod deal with them. As for whether they qualify as fighting, harassment, or rudeness, I for one would say "all three"!

[RobertM]

Hello hello_hello, ;)

You seem like a reasonable fellow, so might I suggest that you edit your last posting to remove sentences 2 and 4. No sense stoking a fire that we are trying to put out.

[Ghitulescu]

I apologise for my inadequate behaviour with respect to the following issues in no particular order:
- for mistaking this thread for a thread where one want to obtain the best quality : price ratio. For the cheapest BD-R (actually for all merchandises) we have in Germany www.guenstiger.de and many other similar sites, that list the cheapest online prices for a quite a large number of sellers and shops, that also have comments and quality ratings. It never crossed my mind that people wanted only the lowest price possible, because there were other way of getting this info
- for trying to provide arguments for quality burns, which issue was of course irrelevant for the topic
- for crossing my word to ignore a certain member, which has a habit of commenting almost each post of mine
- and last but not least for challenging with nonsense arguments the opinion of the greatest guru the earth has seen with respect to burning issues, thus polluting this thread with a futile discussion.
It will never happen.

[RobertM]

Ghitulescu, don't get mad. I'm not saying that your arguments don't have merit, and I do appreciate that you are passionate about defending your opinions. But this particular thread is just not the place for this detailed argument about BD-R disc technology.

hello_hello, don't get mad. All I was suggesting is that if you are trying to withdraw gracefully from an argument -- not conceed, but just withdraw -- then you probably shouldn't include barbed comments when you do so, or there will be unnecessary, lingering animosity.

[Ghitulescu]

I am not mad at all, I just wanted to summarize all the facts that I know about burning issues.
Since it doesn't count at all if 99% of all users suggest that a certain BDR brand is terrific if your burner is not able to burn it.
I own a LiteOn BDR burner and it failed to correctly write a BDR (I can use that disc only on PC and mediaplayers but not on most BDplayers) - exactly the same project has been written with an LG on a BDR from the same batch and its burn works just perfect. That probably explains the decline of liteon and the outsource of Sony to Panasonic (all business laptops from sony use matsushita drives) and all sony media I've used do far were all panny (MEI). I feel the need to remember that all Sony DVD writers were LiteOns.

[DMagic1]

Yes, these discs have been problematic with LGs. It seems my Pioneer loves all discs equally. If you ever upgrade your burner in the future go with Pioneer. Ever burner I have owned was a Pioneer and I can only recall burning 2-3 bad DVDs and no bad BDs in over 300+ burns.

I have to agree. I had a LG before and had 40% problems with those Optical Quantum. Of that 40% about half would only burn at 4x even when 8x was selected and the other half would result in a failure near the end of the burn.

I upgraded to the Pioneer and only had about 10% problems with the Optical Quantum. That 10% would just burn at 4x with no failure.

I also used Kodak BD-R (http://www.meritline.com/kodak-52125-blu-ray-media-disc-bd-r-disc-4x-25gb-white-printable---p-43459.aspx) which has the same media ID as the Optical Quantum PHILIPR04 and had better success even when with the LG.

I've also tried these Unnamed BD-R (http://www.meritline.com/blu-ray-bd-r-4x-25gb-white-inkjet-hub-printable---p-57668.aspx) before which had media ID OTCBDR001 and only burned at 4x both the LG and Pioneer. They worked pretty good with no failures.

I just got an order of these new Titan (http://www.supermediastore.com/category/a/titan-blank-recordable-blu-ray-bd-r-re-disc-discs-media) BD-R. Media ID is CMCMAG-BA3-000 and burn up to 10x with the Pioneer 206. Hopefully they will work out. Just did my first burn with them at 8x with no issue.

[Ch3vr0n]

@Dmagic1: did you ever think your media might be the cause and not the drive. I've got 3 LG drives with them and only use quality verbatim media. I've got a 100% burn rate every time, 0 failures on my LG BH10LS30, BH08LS20 and my GH20NS10

[DMagic1]

@Dmagic1: did you ever think your media might be the cause and not the drive. I've got 3 LG drives with them and only use quality verbatim media. I've got a 100% burn rate every time, 0 failures on my LG BH10LS30, BH08LS20 and my GH20NS10

Yes that actually what my statement started with, a quote from jfcarbel.
-"Yes, these discs have been problematic with LGs".-
I'm pretty sure its the disc thats why I've tried other inexpensive brands as other options.

[jdobbs]

Yes that actually what my statement started with, a quote from jfcarbel.
-"Yes, these discs have been problematic with LGs".-
I'm pretty sure its the disc thats why I've tried other inexpensive brands as other options. I don't think it would be correct to say that, though, seeing as myself and at least one other person with an LG burner have said we are having no problems with Optical Quantum discs.

[DMagic1]

Well that's the case with cheaper media. They may vary batch to batch. I even exchanged one LG for a new LG thinking maybe it was the drive. I've gone thru one spindle without issue and have the next one have 4 out 10 fail. You may want to look at the write surface after you burn also. With some of those Optical Quantum I would see what can best be described as dots in the burn rings.

I'm not saying that Optical Quantum are bad, I've just had an issue with about 3 out of 4 spindles I've got at different times. Maybe they're better now, maybe not. Since I no longer have the LG I cant say how the current quality is now as it relates to the LG.

That same media code finds its way on Kodak, Windata, Optical Quantum, and a few other low end makes. Surely you can't expect them to all be of the same quality? This forum isn't as focused on media and hardware as another I'm involved in but believe me I've done a lot of media and burner testing over the years. This isn't something I haven't seen before.

If a brand works for you without issue use it. I've always believed that. When everyone was saying use Verbatim DVDR I used cheaper Prodisc because they worked well for me and my burner of choice.

[CV91913]

I have a LG BH10LS30 and have burned 50 or 60 of the Optical Quantum BD discs (generally use 10 piece spindles.) I always burn and verify and have never had a failure. Have also watched all of them. I do burn at 4x. I have only been doing these discs for about 6 or 7 months so I can't comment on how they hold up over time.

[jdobbs]

I have a LG BH10LS30 and have burned 50 or 60 of the Optical Quantum BD discs (generally use 10 piece spindles.) I always burn and verify and have never had a failure. Have also watched all of them. I do burn at 4x. I have only been doing these discs for about 6 or 7 months so I can't comment on how they hold up over time. I also always burn at 4x.

[Stereodude]

I have a LG BH10LS30 and have burned 50 or 60 of the Optical Quantum BD discs (generally use 10 piece spindles.) I always burn and verify and have never had a failure. Have also watched all of them. I do burn at 4x. I have only been doing these discs for about 6 or 7 months so I can't comment on how they hold up over time.My Pioneer BDR-206 has had a few Optical Quantum and Memorex (Ritek) discs fail a verify. Not a lot, but a few. I burn mostly at 4x or 6x.

[Ghitulescu]

What was the success rate at 2x? Just for curiosity ... Even if only a few discs from a batch failed, I would assume the other "QC passed" ones are not so OK.

I said long time ago, verify after burning is not a quality control test. Like sailing, it just says "it floats upon water". One needs a sonar to find how deep is the water (or how close the underwater cliffs are), to know how dangerous the sailing is.

[Groucho2004]

I said long time ago, verify after burning is not a quality control test. Like sailing, it just says "it floats upon water". One needs a sonar to find how deep is the water (or how close the underwater cliffs are), to know how dangerous the sailing is.

I just ordered a Sony BWU-500S and a bunch of Verbatim SL-25 based on this (http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=29942) review. It looks pretty good, see the summary of quality tests (http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=29942&PageId=34).
I'll be using "Opti Drive Control" as my "sonar". Let's hope I won't hit any cliffs.