Inexpensive BD-R Media [Archive] - Page 3

laserfan

4th January 2010, 16:01

I just ordered 20 I'm betting you can't beat it.Well, by all means report back your results. I suspect that if a player plays recordable DVD-5 and -9 (with AZO ink layer) that it will play the LTH, but... if it doesn't then you've got 19 discs left for data backups huh! :)

datman

9th January 2010, 02:30

Well, by all means report back your results. I suspect that if a player plays recordable DVD-5 and -9 (with AZO ink layer) that it will play the LTH, but... if it doesn't then you've got 19 discs left for data backups huh! :)

well just burned one and it plays fine on my computer. I don't have a player.

laserfan

9th January 2010, 17:08

Hmm thanks but that doesn't help me. Guess I will buy some blanks and give one a spin on my settop player.

datman

9th January 2010, 18:25

I may take a few discs over to best buy (bd5,bd9,bd25) just to test them but that won't be till next week

rippn

15th January 2010, 09:11

I bought some of these Ritek BD-Rs (http://www.meritline.com/ritek-ridata-4x-blu-ray-bd-r-white-inkjet-printable-bdr-254-iwcb25---p-34649.aspx) for $2.22 ea (box of 25) and have had good luck so far (I've burned about 20 of them).

I have been using blaze media purchased from shop4tech which are rebadged riteks and not one coaster, or any weird glitches while watching. However my recent blaze media I purchased are now rebadged phillips, I've burned 1 so far and it burned well, but the physical appearance seems lower quality then the riteks. I'm going to return them and buy these (http://www.meritline.com/ritek-ridata-blu-ray-bd-r-4x-25gb-white-inkjet-hub-printable-254-rdiwn-cb25---p-38017.aspx)riteks instead of the ones you linked because the thumbnails on the ones you linked look like they are not full face like the ones I linked and they are the same price..?

jdobbs

15th January 2010, 14:39

I have been using blaze media purchased from shop4tech which are rebadged riteks and not one coaster, or any weird glitches while watching. However my recent blaze media I purchased are now rebadged phillips, I've burned 1 so far and it burned well, but the physical appearance seems lower quality then the riteks. I'm going to return them and buy these (http://www.meritline.com/ritek-ridata-blu-ray-bd-r-4x-25gb-white-inkjet-hub-printable-254-rdiwn-cb25---p-38017.aspx)riteks instead of the ones you linked because the thumbnails on the ones you linked look like they are not full face like the ones I linked and they are the same price..?Cool. As you said, they have full-faced ones at that site also -- I just don't personally care for full-face for most discs. I've had a lot of luck with these Riteks -- many, many burned and no coasters as yet. The Optical Quantum discs are good too -- but they're not keeping pace (in terms of price) with the Riteks.

laserfan

15th January 2010, 16:10

Cool. As you said, they have full-faced ones at that site also -- I just don't personally care for full-face for most discs.
Whyzzat? Aesthetics only, or some techical reason? I might not have noticed the difference except for these couple posts.

jdobbs

16th January 2010, 01:18

Whyzzat? Aesthetics only, or some techical reason? I might not have noticed the difference except for these couple posts. Yes. Aesthetics only. Most disc artwork isn't full-faced, and I like to scan them and print them on the backup (a little anal compulsive for a backup, I know, but I'm weird that way :)). I think other than that they are pretty much the same disc.

laserfan

16th January 2010, 16:56

I think other than that they are pretty much the same disc.
Thanks--if I give those a try I will report back results. Hopefully they are the very same formulation.

I am surprised about the good reports on Ritek BD-R; apparently it is a different process/formulation and maybe even a different factory for producing BDs vs. DVD which never seem to get good reviews...

setarip_old

16th January 2010, 19:48

@laserfan

Actually, I've been testing the Ritek D/L DVD+R media (under the "Memorex" label) on the basis of "risk versus reward", since the Ritek/Memorex discs can be purchased at about 60% of the typical price for Verbatim D/L DVD+R media.

The results after burning approximately 50 of the Ritek discs have been quite satisfactory with only two coasters (the result of trying to push 8x burning without updating burners)...

slimm

16th January 2010, 21:13

Ritek Bd-r's (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132069&cm_re=blu_ray_media-_-17-132-069-_-Product) for $2.00 each (spindle if 15)

JJB

16th January 2010, 21:38

If you have a Frys nearby keep a eye out for their sale on Maxell and Memorex spindle of 15 for $24.99, both are Riteks. They do it every couple of weeks.

jdobbs

17th January 2010, 01:02

Ritek Bd-r's (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132069&cm_re=blu_ray_media-_-17-132-069-_-Product) for $2.00 each (spindle if 15)Cool.

nelly09

17th January 2010, 03:47

I purchased 75 optical quantum BD-R and i have backed up every single one without any coasters and no playback problems. Burns at 8x on my LG-BH08 burner so that is great. Ebay has some good buys if you search, i have purchased a few white hub printable ones, dont really know what name brand they are but i have had no issues with playback and quality.

rippn

17th January 2010, 07:28

If you have a Frys nearby keep a eye out for their sale on Maxell and Memorex spindle of 15 for $24.99, both are Riteks. They do it every couple of weeks.

The problem with these is they are not inkjet printable, so if this is your need, fry's does not carry any at this time.

JonRead

20th January 2010, 23:54

Cheap blu-rays for UK customers : http://www.rivierapublishing.co.uk/acatalog/Blu-Ray_Media.html

laserfan

27th January 2010, 02:55

I know we're talking about BD-R here, but just FYI when ordering some BD-R from Meritline.com I came across some Memorex DVD+R DL discs for cheap 50@$35. They are from Taiwan and altho I'm not intimate with Ritek they might be a new formulation as they are 8x discs, RITEK-S04-66. My LG drives can only do 4x with these which is fine cuz I do "half speed" typically anyway to be safe. So far I'm 1 for 1 in getting a perfect verify out of ImgBurn! ;)

setarip_old

27th January 2010, 04:01

@laserfan

See my Post#110 in this thread...

K56

2nd February 2010, 06:56

You guys might want to start testing some of your older burns with BD-R and BD-RE media. We've started getting reports of disks that initially burned well, and had no issues on playback, but are now deteriorating. The first reports were only with Ritek media, sold under various brands, but one of the mods at myce.com is now saying that he has failures in several different types/brands, including the Ritek disks, but also TDK, Panasonic and Verbatim. He has been burning BD-R media for four years now. Apparently the BD-RE disks are showing the most degradation in his collection.

setarip_old

2nd February 2010, 07:40

@K56

Hi!We've started getting reports of disks that initially burned well, and had no issues on playback, but are now deteriorating.Who is "we"?

Ghitulescu

2nd February 2010, 08:47

well just burned one and it plays fine on my computer. I don't have a player.

Any burner should recognize its own burned disks.

Ghitulescu

2nd February 2010, 08:50

robinthehood

2nd February 2010, 10:11

@K56

Hi!Who is "we"?

I Can add to this, i have several (not tested all yet) Traxdata discs that i burnt this time last year (2009) i watched these at the time on my PS3. Now when i go back to watch them again they do not get seen by my PS3! They were burnt with Imgbrn and a Pioneer BDR-202 this same drive does not recognise the discs now either nor does my LG H20L

setarip_old

2nd February 2010, 11:01

@Ghitulescu

Hi!a simple "It works" is not a criterium - so how about the PI/PO/PIE/POF/TA/Jitter now and after 1 year?To each his own. If it plays without problems, whether 1, 2, or more years after burning, I'm a happy camper. The technical test results which, of course, are subject to the performance of the disc playing hardware as well as the discs themselves means absolutely nothing to me.

If that's your cup of tea, you'd likely enjoy posting and reading the results of others at the sub-forum devoted to such test results at the wings-clipped Digital Digest forum...

BTW - In the 10 or more years since I started burning DVDs, I've not had one subsequent failure of a disc that was initially a good burn. I attribute this to the care and protection - except, of course, the occasional damage and destruction caused by an overly excited grandchild ;>}

Ghitulescu

2nd February 2010, 11:32

BTW - In the 10 or more years since I started burning DVDs, I've not had one subsequent failure of a disc that was initially a good burn. I attribute this to the care and protection - except, of course, the occasional damage and destruction caused by an overly excited grandchild ;>}

For more than 12 years I burn CDRs, with no failure, and still "young" (low C1/ no C2), and for 8 also DVDRs, again with very low figures. It's also because I care. The only coasters I had were the DVDR DL, that were rejected during the burning.

However, there are people that do not care. Most of them burn the CDRs at 54x (DVDRs at 22x) and don't even consider to click the "Verify after burn" box. If the burner did not yielded any error, then the burn was succesful. And they post their "findings" on various fora, people buy those blanks in good faith - but the OP don't come to say, hey, it's no good after 3weeks, because that would mean they were wrong.

jdobbs

2nd February 2010, 14:53

The same types of reports started coming in with CD-R and DVD-R discs a year or two after they got popular -- but I never found a single disc that lost data with time. I'll worry about it when it happens -- which I expect to be never.

K56

2nd February 2010, 15:24

You can find the reports of failures in this thread at myce: http://club.myce.com/f142/my-ritek-2x-bd-rs-all-dead-306492/ And I see reports of failed dvds and cds all the time over there, where the initial burn was good and the data was lost/unreadable later. This is not a truly uncommon event, though of course, I have no way of determining the care used in storage.

Ghitulescu

2nd February 2010, 15:37

I'll repost this link
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Print.aspx?ArticleId=20888

jdobbs

2nd February 2010, 15:42

JMHO, but I think the best way to ensure a good quality recording that will playback over time is to invest a few extra dollars in a high quality writer/burner. I would think that to be more likely a cause of issues in the long run than media. But, I guess, anything is possible.

laserfan

2nd February 2010, 16:26

We talk here about making "backups" but the reality is (or at least "should be") that we are making Primary playback discs i.e. in my case I alter subtitles and fit to 2.35 screens (mostly) but also hate discs that make you wade thru a bunch of crap to get to the movie.

In any case when we go to watch our beloved "backups" and they don't play anymore, then we have the originals to fall back on, don't we.

K56 (from West Texas) reminds me to suggest to everyone that they keep their blanks and their burned discs out of the "reach" of any UV whatsover. I see the OP at myce said he stored his in "light-tight" boxes so maybe that wasn't his problem, but I know for a fact that sunlight destroys everything (not just discs)!

Capsbackup

2nd February 2010, 16:54

I had recently reported that I had purchased a 10 pack spindle of Optimum brand 4x BD-R ( CMCMAG-BA3-00 ). 2 of the 10 would not even start to burn, the other 8 were fine and also verified with ImgBurn.
Out of curiosity, I mailed the two bad discs with a note to the MFG, who stated they would replace the discs. Four weeks later, they mailed me two more discs.
Well, 1 burned fine and verified, the other would not burn, or started but failed within seconds. So, 9 out of 12 were a success with this brand. :rolleyes:
I have now burned approx. 45 of the Ritek-BR2-00, and all have burned and verified successfully! :)
Now only time will tell the longevity of these burns. :p

jdobbs

2nd February 2010, 17:02

Mediogre

2nd February 2010, 22:37

Here's a good price on high quality Verbatim blanks. Shipping is very reasonable too. I bought 10 of them and it worked out to be $2.75 a disc. IMHO, if people have reliability issues with these, then the entire technology is dead.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=592757&is=REG

Ghitulescu

3rd February 2010, 16:47

At the beginning the causes are different from what happens at the end of the product cycles.

At the beginning: - there are few manufacturers of both devices and media - both products are of high quality, but the problems arise mainly due to compatibility issues. The technology is expensive, early adopters are usually disappointed (now more than ever, as the Quality check is done nowadays by the consumers, it's even cheaper). If the burn is good, then it's really good.

Midlife: - more manufacturers, devices and media available. Sensible quality drop, also a sensible price drop, although good/premium quality products are still available. Problems mainly due to inadequate pairing device-media or hurry (high speed burning). Good burns are easily obtained if one avoids crap media and devices.

End of cycle (Scientology ;)) - the big names already cooked the next technology, only products manufactured on the ship heading to US/EU from Asia are available, everyone wants cheap and faster, quality completely sucks. EoS.

jdobbs

3rd February 2010, 17:32

I just went back to some of my oldest discs just to verify (1.5 - 2 years old, I'd guess). No problems with playback -- and I've always used inexpensive discs (although back then "inexpensive" was a very relative term).

K56

3rd February 2010, 17:54

Well, my first post was just a heads up. I doubt the disk failures will be widespread, but no harm in checking your burned media. I haven't experienced any problems personally, but I have only been burning BD disks for a short time, less than a year. I am still suspicious of the Ritek media I have, and will monitor them monthly with surface scans. I've purchased Verbatim as replacements...got them from Newegg for a very similar price to Mediogre's B & H link, and they had free shipping at that time, but the price has jumped back up at Newegg.

setarip_old

3rd February 2010, 18:25

Much ado about nothing. Just more of the same - periodic, unsubstantiated, alarmist posting.

Again, properly storage and protection of your successfully burned discs is all that's necessary...

jdobbs

3rd February 2010, 18:31

Let's get back on track. The topic of this thread is where/how to get inexpensive media. Debating the technology isn't its intent. So from here on in let's concentrate on helping each other by pointing out places we've found good prices on what we believe to be good media.

Sophocles

4th February 2010, 02:50

It would be nice if some of us could ID the discs that we purchase. I purchased a spindle of 15 Memorex from Newegg for $29.99+ $1.99 shipping. I checked their ID and discovered that they were made by Ritek. Newegg now has some Ridata/Ritek for the same price so $2.00 each seems to be the current sweet spot with an occasional loss leader find dipping below that, and Ritek seems to be the low side supplier. It would however be nice to know the ID of other makes as well so if we could all ID them we could get a feel for where they're made and not who's rebadging them now. Sorry if I missed that somewhere in this post.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132069

K56

4th February 2010, 03:05

The Verbatim disks have gone on sale again at Newegg, and there is a code for an additional 10% off. Unfortunately I didn't find this until very late, and there are only a few hours left for the code. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130047
That would work out to $2.70 apiece, so nowhere near the price of the Ritek disks listed by Sophocles.

@Sophocles
I'm not sure how well links to outside sites are received here, but there is a Blu ray media thread at MyCE which identifies blank media by mid codes, country of origin and shows the outside packaging. If you'd like to know the manufacturer of a particular brand, you can look through that thread. http://club.myce.com/f142/blu-ray-media-thread-274174/

Ghitulescu

5th February 2010, 09:14

There's an interesting list on Verbatim's page that comprises some BDR-burners and their compatibility with the new LTH disks it manufactures.

On the reverse page of this 2-pages document there's a second list with standalones' compatibility.
Notable incompatibles are: Samsung P1600, Sharp HP1, Pioneer LX70, LG BD370 and Sylvania NB500SL9.

So, it might also be important to list the type of the tested disc (the cheaper are almost surely LTH), the burner and the tester.

Sophocles

5th February 2010, 19:54

Here's a link that provides a little more information on Verbatim's LTH media.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/News/verbatimmkm-announces-industrys-first-6x-bd-r-lth-type-media.html

The question I would have is who is the actual manufacturer of various BD-R media. I know that Mitsubishi made their well received dual layer media. This is often the best way to find a specific media that often cost more or less depending on how it's rebadged.

Ghitulescu

6th February 2010, 14:03

Premium media will ALWAYS cost premium money - you don't pay here only for technology but also for the Quality Control. "Budget Verbatims" are disks produced on the same line, that were not inspected, so you, as the final customer, will find whether the disks works wondeful (and yes it's the bargain) or the unique recording you just moved is gone forever to Nirvana/Hades/Hell. In the last case you'd have payed 1€ per DVDR, but the chance has simply gone.

jdobbs

6th February 2010, 14:47

I've been around this industry a long time and just the opposite is much more commonly true. The discount manufacturers build for both themselves and the "high end" brands -- and the extra money you pay is for the label.

But let's get back OT (again).

JJB

6th February 2010, 16:49

On Topic:

Fry's has a Maxell (ritek) spindle of 15 for $24.99 till Wednesday this week. Limit 1

rizzo7883

14th February 2010, 18:28

here are some links to BD-R that I have bought and used without any Frisbee. Good cheap BD-R media. about $2 each.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817607025

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817132069

http://www.runtechmedia.com/product.asp?sku=OQBDR04LT25&a=11

I have personally bought all these and had NO problems.

Ghitulescu

15th February 2010, 16:48

here are some links to BD-R that I have bought and used without any Frisbee. Good cheap BD-R media. about $2 each.

In Germany GEMA asks 3.74€ per BDR (some 5-6$). GEMA collects the studios rights from every kind of copy machines and media. I think it's the equivalent of MPAA. So it's hard to believe that the prices will go down more than 5€ apiece. Maybe now it's the time to separate the state from the media as we did before with the state and the church.

datman

26th February 2010, 20:17

Well, by all means report back your results. I suspect that if a player plays recordable DVD-5 and -9 (with AZO ink layer) that it will play the LTH, but... if it doesn't then you've got 19 discs left for data backups huh! :)

Laserfan I finally got a player LG BD390 and it will not play thes discs:stupid:

I'm looking for disc that will play in this player.

Funny it will play any BD5 disc

laserfan

26th February 2010, 20:56

Hmmm well that sux doesn't it; sorry to hear it. I wonder (if you used ImgBurn to burn) did it have anything to say in its log about these discs? Did it burn/verify without error? How many did you try?

I burned my very first BD-R yesterday (Ritek-BR2-00 Hub-inkject printable) and it went perfect. So far so good w/these cheap ($2.25) discs from Meritline.

datman

28th February 2010, 00:22

They burned perfect using imgburn, no errors. I got 3 and they play fine from computer. How is it that BD players are so finicky and drives are so forgiving. I will make use of them. When I set up a new computer or reinstall OS I make an image hard disc, these will be perfect for that.