Inexpensive BD-R Media [Archive] - Page 5

john920

17th October 2010, 04:12

jdobbs

17th October 2010, 04:34

Has anyone heard of or used Optical Quantum VL Blu-ray? I don't know what the VL means (value?). Supermedia store has them for $10 a 10 pk.

http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk?filter=Type%3DBD-R+%28Recordable%29%7Cbrand%3DOPTICAL+QUANTUM&max=15&offset=0 I got a 50 pack of Optical Quantums through Meritline -- not sure if they are "VL" or not. I've gone through about 25 or so -- no issues. The DisC ID says "PHILIP-R04-00"

jdobbs

17th October 2010, 04:43

I have been making full bd25 disc backups using the ridata bd-r printable disc's using imageburn with no issues, unless its a movie with all those multiple broken up files, iron man 2, the watchmen, and so on. These play fine in a computer or PS3 but not in my LG nor my Insignia standalone players, without freezing at the file changes. I have been reluctant to spend the money on the verbatim discs for fear of the same problem at twice the price per disc. I like the printable disc's because I just need my art, I'm silly like that... It just seems like a hellavu' coincidence that it would happen exactly at change points -- I'm not sure how media could cause that. It sounds more like the LG player isn't buffering. It's also possible, I guess, that the physical positioning of the files may cause seeking delays -- but I think that might be a stretch. Not impossible, though.

Have you tried a BD-RE? It's always good to have one around for testing, and if you get the freezing on that -- it means the discs probably aren't the issue.

CpT

17th October 2010, 04:44

i havr tried several brands. I didn't have great success with Verbatim's LTH discs.

I've had great luck with the LTH disks. I've used over 100 of them now with 0 coasters.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130070

Using this burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136186

john920

17th October 2010, 04:49

jdobbs

17th October 2010, 04:53

both of my players do the same thing with the freezing, they play movies with large video files perfectly. Should I start a new thread and post a log to show you my settings? I use the standard quality not the highest mode to save time..... I just find it odd that is happens only on your SAPs. Is it happening with encodes done with v0.35.1? There was a fix in that version that might have theoretically caused a similar issue if you happened to have stopped and restarted BD-RB during the encodes (on some previous versions).

Also, are you using IMGBURN to write to the discs? You're not using NERO or some other package are you?

john920

17th October 2010, 04:58

I just did Iron Man 2 with 35.1 and I always use the latest imagburn. Now you have me wondering if my drive is messed up....

john920

17th October 2010, 19:33

I have started burning at 2x speed to see if that makes some kind of difference, nothing. I have an LG wh08ls20 internal drive. This happens on every stand alone player, I have tried it on Sony's and panasonic as well, same thing, freezing at branch points.

Capsbackup

17th October 2010, 20:07

Looks like you need to try a different burner then, to rule this out.
Do you create an image to hard drive with IMGBurn, then use this image to burn to disc? I do this, but probably it does not make a difference.
Do you have IMGBurn verify the burn? If so, does it verify successfully?
You state they play fine on a PS3, but not on a Sony standalone? Which standalone Sony's have you tried?
My S360 plays Iron Man 2 perfectly, and it was a BD-25 full movie backup.

john920

17th October 2010, 20:28

I have done the verify and they always pass. The sony player was a friends, so I don't know the model number.
Thats the other thing I am going to try, I have been building and burning at the same time. I am going to have imgburn build the image first and then in a separate process actually burn the disc and see if that helps. and I might as well have it verify the data too.....

john920

17th October 2010, 20:29

the bummer is its a $150 test to try another burner ugg......

waynezo

17th October 2010, 21:41

Considering these two, which is better?

Will they burn at 10x like a verbatim?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050008354%2040000071%20600010543&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&SpeTabStoreType=1&CompareItemList=71|17-607-008^17-607-008-S01%2C17-607-024^17-607-024-TS

john920

18th October 2010, 00:12

Capsbackup Looks like you need to try a different burner then, to rule this out.
Do you create an image to hard drive with IMGBurn, then use this image to burn to disc? I do this, but probably it does not make a difference.
Do you have IMGBurn verify the burn? If so, does it verify successfully?
You state they play fine on a PS3, but not on a Sony standalone? Which standalone Sony's have you tried?
My S360 plays Iron Man 2 perfectly, and it was a BD-25 full movie backup.
tried that with no success, still stutters or freezes at the branching points. sooooo I'm looking at two other burners to try.... any opinions?

Pioneer BDR-205 - OEM
and the
Lite-on iHBS112 - OEM

waynezo

18th October 2010, 00:33

Capsbackup
tried that with no success, still stutters or freezes at the branching points. sooooo I'm looking at two other burners to try.... any opinions?

Pioneer BDR-205 - OEM
and the
Lite-on iHBS112 - OEM

I have the Pioneer BDR-205. Works great no riplock and it burns Verbatim BD-R at up to 10x

Capsbackup

18th October 2010, 03:03

john920;
Have you tried a full disc backup to DVD+R DL of one of these discs that are being troublesome, and if so, do you experience the same problem?
Do you have the latest firmware for your burner?

john920

18th October 2010, 03:06

firmware is the latest, there has not been a change since sept of 2009

I have not tried a dvd 9..... i will have to try that tonight.... I have a pioneer bdr 205 coming on wednesday so who knows....

john920

21st October 2010, 00:09

Still working on the dvd9, my players keep spitting them out so I must be doing something wrong.... Just got the pioneer 205 today, burned the bd25 image of iron man 2 onto both my ridata and optodisc blu rays, the freezes are now short pauses..... but it gets through them. I donkt know.... do I really need the verbatims? ugg

Capsbackup

21st October 2010, 00:48

I use Memorex, which are Ridata, disc ID: Ritek-BR2-00, never had a failed disc or any problem at all with them! I have never used Verbatim BD-R.
It sure appears there is something wrong on your end, and it is not the burner. :confused:
Have you any other codec packs installed, like K-lite, etc...? Perhaps other video encode software, Corel, Nero,etc..

john920

21st October 2010, 01:09

This machine is exclusively for bdrebuilder, no nero or anything else. I am trying the 25 rebuild again on high quality..... I'm going nuts wasting discs here... oh well what are you gonna do....

and my ridata-br2-00 are the same disc's that I have....

Ghitulescu

21st October 2010, 10:32

From what I have read in the internet and various German magazines (like the well respected c't), I don't own a Pioneer (yet, it's still way too expensive as it's not sold in EU and must be reimported), it appears that the Pioneer 205 can burn better the expensive disks, while the saleshit LG10 burns better the cheaper ones. Especially when people are in a big hurry and use 10x or 12x. I used my LG 10 only on RE25, no problems both on standalone and the drives, average bitrate around 30 (live concerts), as my player displayed them.

john920

21st October 2010, 13:21

the only titles that don't play properly are the ones with multi-file branching, thats why I'm going crazy

jdobbs

21st October 2010, 14:11

I know I mentioned this before... what just recheck the version of BD Rebuilder are you using. Make sure it is v0.35.1...

john920

21st October 2010, 14:36

I always update, it is 35.01. something funny must be happening during the rebuild.... i don't know.....

jdobbs

21st October 2010, 15:37

I always update, it is 35.01. something funny must be happening during the rebuild.... i don't know..... That's really not likely... the exact same code is working fine on a few thousand other computers/players.

john920

21st October 2010, 16:13

That's really not likely... the exact same code is working fine on a few thousand other computers/players.

I know the problem has to be in my system.. I just cant figure out where....
I feel I have taken over this thread with my silly problems, I will be trying a few more things and starting a new thread if I cant get this going....
ugg....

CpT

21st October 2010, 16:39

Newegg is running a 72 hour promotion atm.

Verbatim 25GB 2X BD-R LTH @ 24.99 - usually 26.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130070

And all their hard drives are 10% off for 48 hours.
Promo code = EMCZYNZ73 - apply it in cart.

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/oct-0-2010/72hoursaler2/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL102110&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL102110-_-EMC-102110-Index-_-E0-_-PromoWord

waynezo

3rd January 2011, 17:01

I got a 50 pack of Optical Quantums through Meritline -- not sure if they are "VL" or not. I've gone through about 25 or so -- no issues. The DisC ID says "PHILIP-R04-00"

Optical Quantums work great for me. I find them on sale either at newegg or meritline.

BlackWolf

5th January 2011, 13:00

Optical Quantum 25GB 4X BD-R 25 Packs Logo Top Blu-ray Disc Model OQBDR04LT-25 are at Newegg now for $22.50 USD w free delivery. They have been as low as $20.00 USD for a 25 pack. The Disc ID says "PHILIP-R04-00", or at least that what the ones I previously purchased have as a Disc ID. I have used over 50 of these with no issues. I have seen them sell under the name Vinpower with the same media ID, "PHILIP-R04-00". at Meritline for $8 USD for a 10 pack with a coupon code, no issues with these either.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817607025

jdobbs

5th January 2011, 15:36

Warbucks81

5th January 2011, 17:45

I've had no issues whatsoever with the Optical Quantum discs (PHILIP-R04-00), and I've used over 50.

Same here. I've burned over 150 without any issues. They're quality media. Also, their DVD+R DL discs have a MID of RICOHJP. More good stuff.

k-c-ksum

5th January 2011, 23:29

tried some verbatim 25gb disc from japan, no dudz yet, the print surface is also excellent, best blacks ive seen on printable media

djmasturbeat

6th January 2011, 01:39

since i have used Verbies so long, especially after so many DVDR DL fails for anything but Verbies, i stuck with them for BDR too.
served me well until recently. i am about to return the spindles i got, both open and still sealed, since i am suddenly burning more junk than not.

at first i thought even my baby changed a seting on ImgBurn and i couldn't figure out what... unfortunately not :(

ALL I ever used were LTH, so my drive can handle them... i just think i got a bad batch or they are making them really crappy now.
see my thread here (and i had more bad burns repeatedly since this thread):
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=16745&st=0&p=126653&fromsearch=1&#entry126653

so much for Verbatim being the king of media. I am about to buy Ridata and others over Verbatim now. how sad.

btw, all of these were direct backups of BDs that were BD25 to start, and sometimes they took 3 or 4 burns, but would finally burn. I know it isn't that they weren't decrypted correctly or anything like that. It was purely these new LTH discs . they have the same code as earler ones i used, so i have no idea what is different other than i am unlucky with a bad batch or Verbatim is cutting corners.

does anyone know anything about how to tell where the LTH discs come from? (the rumour i heard was that these are made at DVD facilities using a more DVD -like process, hence the cheaper end-user cost).

jdobbs

6th January 2011, 01:59

With standard BD-25 discs under a dollar at some places (like Newegg) -- I can't understand why people are messing around with LTH?

djmasturbeat

7th January 2011, 20:10

curious what cheap media is working well for people with an HL (LG) WH10LS30 or similar models.
has anyone using this series of drives used the Optical Quantum discs that are a buck each at NewEgg?
I see people saying they had luck with them, but really drives (and the firm available) are half the issue of compatibility for burning, at least in my experience.

after this last run i won't be using the LTH. It's about the only (affordable) thing available locally, and i was still paying $2+/ea; and mail order is an issue for me (thieves in my post office, no joke, it's the hood tho, so no one cares), but i may just order from NewEgg & send to a friend's or my parent's

Ghitulescu

7th January 2011, 20:44

curious what cheap media is working well for people with an HL (LG) WH10LS30 or similar models.

If you have had time to read all the posts I said that the LG burners are designed to work with cheap and/or lower quality media, while expensive drives, like the Plextors/Pioneers would work better with quality media. That explains the boom they had in optical drives.

djmasturbeat

7th January 2011, 23:22

thank you. i will go and read through all the posts since i admit i skipped several pages.

EDIT: well I did read them, but looking at some reviews it seems some LG owners are having issues with Vinpower Discs, more or less the same as Optical Quantum, i believe, tho i see more issues posted for the Vinpower specifically, but often it is the same drive as i have or the series before, the supermultis that had HDDVDROM too, the *H20 series).
I may still order a pack of 10, since they are 11 plus shipping, and i can afford that .. tho hopefully not throw it all away :P

Ghitulescu

8th January 2011, 09:57

thanks you. i will go and read through all the posts since i admit i skipped several pages.

There's no longer needed now :)

djmasturbeat

8th January 2011, 10:11

if anyone wants to take a plunge, this is the cheapest BD50s i have ever seen:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004DNEZUG/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1294475010&sr=1-18&condition=new
DIGISTOR 50GB BD-R Media, 6X (25 pack)
by Digistor
$115+7.25 s/h
never heard of this company though, so who knows?
EDIT:sole review for some BD25s -- :ahem: no longer available :/
http://www.amazon.com/Blu-ray-Inkjet-Printable-Surface-25-Pack/product-reviews/B0034XNLOW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
still that is far below all the other BD50s i have seen around of any make. i don't have the cash one way or the other to try them out, even if they were very reputable brands.

also i see some other no name in BD25 printable, 50 for $55:
Melody 50 pcs BD-R Blu-ray Recordable White Inkjet Printable Blank Disc, 25GB, 1-4x
http://www.amazon.com/Melody-Blu-ray-Recordable-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B004DTVJG8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_1

werd84

9th January 2011, 11:58

i have both GGW-H20L and the WH10LS30 burners and have had no bad burns with either using the Optical Quantum branded disc's, and i've went through about 6 of the 25pack splines. but i do have to admit that i've only used the WH10LS30 to burn a few discs, just got it for christmas :D .

k-c-ksum

9th January 2011, 14:06

verbs from japan both 25 and 50gb, far cheaper than euro/US

A.Fenderson

9th January 2011, 21:54

verbs from japan both 25 and 50gb, far cheaper than euro/US

Can you recommend any good sellers of those who ship outside of Japan?

k-c-ksum

9th January 2011, 23:46

Can you recommend any good sellers of those who ship outside of Japan?

ebay, seller j-stop. 10 25gb verbs for $26

A.Fenderson

10th January 2011, 07:34

ebay, seller j-stop. 10 25gb verbs for $26

Looks like those are the 4x, so you can get the same 4x Verbatims at B&H for $19.49 plus shipping (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/592757-REG/Verbatim_96769_BD_R_Blu_ray_Recordable_Disc.html), which to my location is less than $3.50 currently, and sometimes shipping is free. They've also got the 6x Verbatims for $29.95 for 10 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/723315-REG/Verbatim_97238_BD_R_Blu_Ray_25GB_6x.html), with free shipping currently, or a 25 spindle of the same 6x Verbs for $60.24 w/ free shipping (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/741448-REG/Verbatim_97457_BD_R_Blu_Ray_25GB_6x.html) ($2.41/ea). I've had nothing but great experiences in buying different things from B&H.

djmasturbeat

10th January 2011, 16:50

i was about to post that too:
the complete list of BDs at B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=13279&N=4289301619+4264330173+4294951273+4294952249+4294952244+4294952247+4294952250+4294952243&Ns=p_PRICE_2|0)

best deal i have seen on the Verb (non-LTH) discs. they are sold out of the biggest packs of most of the 25 & 50GB verbies, but i don't have that much money anyhow. i still have yet to buy any 50 GB discs to date :P i could often just buy a second retail of some things for near-same price.

Darth_Emma

14th January 2011, 22:02

Both Newegg and Amazon have 10 packs of the cake boxes of Verbatim 4x BD-R for 18.99 today with free shipping at Newegg.

djmasturbeat

15th January 2011, 04:58

i just saw a new egg ad for that.
i am ordering a pack, since that is about all the cash i can spare for a good while

Gregintosh

19th January 2011, 03:55

I bought the WinData discs at MicroCenter ($9.99 for 10 pack), and they were terrible, at least with my burner. I burned 6 successful discs and got about 8 coasters. I will use my remaining discs and never buy them again. I had to also burn at 2x for them to play properly as burning at 4x (which they were rated for) resulting in skipping.

On the other hand, I went on eBay and bought Gigablock discs. $38 for a 30 pack. So far no coasters after burning 11 discs in a row. What made me buy these was that my burners model was listed on the eBay page for compatiblity, I guess they weren't kidding. They also all play well.

Ch3vr0n

19th January 2011, 19:22

Get verbatim. Never heard of windata nor gigablock. They're crappy brands.

quartex

19th January 2011, 20:00

any quality difference between Verbatim BD-R 25 printable
http://www.cdrohlinge24.de/verbatimbluraybdr25gb4x10pcsincakebox-p-27162.html

and non printable?
http://www.cdrohlinge24.de/verbatimbluraybdr25gbfullprintable4x25pcsincakebox-p-37297.html

The printable cost is lower that non printable...

Gregintosh

19th January 2011, 22:14

Get verbatim. Never heard of windata nor gigablock. They're crappy brands.

They are less known but that doesn't necessarily mean they are crappy. From my experience, WinData definitely seems to be crappy, but Gigablock seems to be working great.

It would be a fallacy to assume that just because a brand is more famous it is automatically higher quality or better than one that is not.

And make no mistake, this is a fallacy that big companies count on people believing which is why "brand name" products go for more money despite being often made in the same factories on the same assembly lines (read: exactly the same quality) as lesser known brands.

I would rather try the products for myself and judge, which is what I did and so far I concluded that Gigablock looks like a winner to me at a price much lower than Verbatim while delivering premium quality.

Granted my test was not scientific but I had no coasters or problems playing these discs in my recent Samsung Blu-Ray player and my Sylvania Blu-Ray player from several years ago. This leads me to believe that these discs are just as good as anything else out there.

Since this post is all about getting the cheapest BD-R media, I could recommend Gigablock based on my experience for "best and cheapest" blank BD-Rs (especially if your burner is listed on the compatibility list).

At the price they go for on ebay, $38 for a 30 pack ($1.26 a disc) they are a much better deal than Verbatims which in the post above go for around $2 a disc (60% more money).

I am not super rich, so for my money I would rather have 100 blank BD-Rs from Gigablock for my backups now that I have tested them and found them to be of premium quality than 62 blank BD-Rs from Verbatim.