Rebuilder's Matrix Editor v0.2.0.9

[knife]

Rockas: You got even more mail
//Knife

[Rockas]

Rockas: You got even more mail
//Knife
MAN I COULD KISS YOU!!!! lol

Finally the "working path invalid" seems to be found!!!

@knife
THANK YOU
I'm just waiting for some more feedback from other users to make sure.

[ilpippo80]

@Rockas:
the last release you sent me works like a charm!
no more errors for me...
do you want me to send you the debug info anyway?
pippo

[Rockas]

@ilpippo80
Thanks... there's not need fot the debug.

Believe it or not the error was caused by the lack of EclPRO installation and I'm so stupid that it took ages to find that.

[masscamp24]

@Rockas:
the last release you sent me works like a charm!
no more errors for me...
do you want me to send you the debug info anyway?
pippo

Rockas are you going to make this release available?

[ilpippo80]

@Rockas:
Don't be sorry, you did a great work, also without the encoding/test feature your app has been very useful to me...
Thank you very much for having spent your time to write RME and to find out this nasty bug!
:thanks:
Pippo

P.S.: Maybe your mistake was caused by too much sex, I've heard somewhere that it causes amnesia and other problems that I can't remember... :D :D :D

[Rockas]

@All
The ones that are getting the error "working path invalid"... there's a simple workaround to avoid it... just add something like:

ProCoder=C:\Programas\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe

On Rebuilder's ini file under [Paths] section.
You can insert that path as I posted, even if it is fake... that will cheat RME (yes... RME is as stupid as I)

I'll release a fixed version soon (I'm just taking the chance to complete a full debuggin' routine - who knows... it may take away future problems).

[Rockas]

Rockas are you going to make this release available?
Yes... meanwhile use the work around I posted above

P.S.: Maybe your mistake was caused by too much sex, I've heard somewhere that it causes amnesia and other problems that I can't remember...
Yes... but... what mistake are you talking about :confused: :D

[masscamp24]

Yes... meanwhile use the work around I posted above


Yes... but... what mistake are you talking about :confused: :D


Thanks Rockas for such great app. Keep up the good work. I will try your workaround. Question Will it affect in anyway the functions of DVD-RB.

[Rockas]

NO... if you get the error on RME is because you don't use EclPRO on Rebuilder so... Rebuilder will never search for that path.

[roux]

RME sets by default 1 pass when encoding with CCE. Would it be possible to change this in the future?

[Rockas]

It's supposed to perform the same number of passes you have selected on DVD Rebuilder.

[jamos]

using latest version. I hit prepare it works fine. I hit encode it just flashes then says done. the problem is there is no files in the encode section to click on. any clue?

[Rockas]

Have you tried the workaround I posted here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=779461#post779461

even if you don't get the error message, please try it, ok?

I've been quite busy lately so I haven't released a fixed version 'case I want to fix some more stuff before... let e see if I can make it on the next few days... in he mean time the work around will fix the problem.

[jamos]

Have you tried the workaround I posted here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=779461#post779461

even if you don't get the error message, please try it, ok?

I've been quite busy lately so I haven't released a fixed version 'case I want to fix some more stuff before... let e see if I can make it on the next few days... in he mean time the work around will fix the problem.
sorry it was me I fixed it..was already running cce so that was why. Great product though its really nice to modify matrixes!

[jamos]

rocxas what cce settings are you using? ie bias and precision..are they the same as what I have set in DVD-rebuilderpro?

[jamos]

It's supposed to perform the same number of passes you have selected on DVD Rebuilder.
yes it does do the same number of passes.

[Rockas]

rocxas what cce settings are you using? ie bias and precision..are they the same as what I have set in DVD-rebuilderpro?
It is supposed to do so... if it doesn't... give me a call :)

[jamos]

Would be a great addition to be able to replace certain cells with different matrixes you could put it in the preview/test window, then all you would have to do is the rebuild step in rebuilder pro.;) Using one matrix for a whole dvd is ok but I can see some scenes that look better using a different matrix.

I know I can just cut, paste, and rename from the temp file now but this may be a cool feature to have a button to just resave it over the existing one (maybe back up the existing m2v file first).

[Rockas]

Well... you can choose three different matrices for different Bitrates... Rebuilder will use them according to each cell bitrate.

About the replacement... that would not be very hard to do but I think it's a little risky :)
I've had some reports about different bitrates reported by RME - that gives different final sizes too... I could never reproduce that difference :(
Anyway... (I haven't finished yet) but I started a fix for that but I haven't finished yet... what really bugs me is the difference of CCE's ecl files between different versions... it's a nightmare and very easy to make mistakes.
Anyway... I'm finishing the first part of another application... then I'll try to finish RME 0.2.1.0

[jamos]

Well... you can choose three different matrices for different Bitrates... Rebuilder will use them according to each cell bitrate.

Yes I do use that feature..but even then some cells are not quite what I want..would love to be able to set a matrix for each cell (or groups of cells)..maybe jdobs could add this in rebuilder pro as a option? I am testing some things now to see if your program changes the size of the cells compared to rebuilders size.

also can your preview window be bigger or resizable? At 1280x1024 res. its hard to tell the difference when encoding watching it through the small preview (easy workaround for me of course is just to double click on the test m2v file and it opens in showtime).

[Rockas]

also can your preview window be bigger or resizable? At 1280x1024 res. its hard to tell the difference when encoding watching it through the small preview (easy workaround for me of course is just to double click on the test m2v file and it opens in showtime).
The preview purpose is to identify the cells content it doesn't display the "matrix effect" ... you really need to encode the segments and 'double-click' them to view them on the external player.

[jamos]

The preview purpose is to identify the cells content it doesn't display the "matrix effect" ... you really need to encode the segments and 'double-click' them to view them on the external player.
cool thanks.:D

[HKT3020_1]

Without using the Matrix Editor to preview which matrix will work best on certain movies, how can one determine which matrix will work best? Should I just run the prepare phase and from the average given by DVD-RB, decide which matrix to use. For instance, here is what DVD-RB gave me...

- Overall Bitrate : 4,000/3,200Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,228,002KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 4,205/393/3,200 Kbs

So based on that I should just use the (3200-4000) medium-high matrix?

[archaeo]

So based on that I should just use the (3200-4000) medium-high matrix?



A similar question is responded to in this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=108354

[Skunk]

I ran into my first movie that required enough compression with movie and menus only that it doesn't look good after running through DVD-RB. I decided it was time to look at custom matrices to get that extra little bit.
I have a few questions about RME that I have not been able to clear up by reading some forums.

1) Is it possible to only encode a few seconds of a video segment? I am going to do my encode with QuEnc with "Extreme and slow" settings on and I don't like waiting 30-40 minutes per segment, just to see if I like the result.

2) If I find that different segments with comparable bitrates benefit from different matrices can I set each segment to encode with a different matrix? If DVD-RB doesn't recognize each segment seperately, can I encode each section through RME and then rebuild from the resulting files?

3) Maybe more of a DVD-RB question, but does DVD-RB recognize each scene in the main feature by its bitrate? I ask because there is a setting for "main feature matrix" and thats about all I will have on the disk (movie and menus only) and Im not sure if it will apply this matrix to all segments in that main feature. I hope this is a clear explanation of my question.

[Rockas]

I ran into my first movie that required enough compression with movie and menus only that it doesn't look good after running through DVD-RB. I decided it was time to look at custom matrices to get that extra little bit.
I have a few questions about RME that I have not been able to clear up by reading some forums.

1) Is it possible to only encode a few seconds of a video segment? I am going to do my encode with QuEnc with "Extreme and slow" settings on and I don't like waiting 30-40 minutes per segment, just to see if I like the result.
No... RME encodes the whole segments... what you can do is search for the smallest one :) or... you can search for the generated AVS script (on RME's temp folder) and add/change the Trim(StartFrameNumber,EndFrameNumber).

2) If I find that different segments with comparable bitrates benefit from different matrices can I set each segment to encode with a different matrix? If DVD-RB doesn't recognize each segment seperately, can I encode each section through RME and then rebuild from the resulting files?
Do a little search for jamos threads and posts... you'll find the answer to that :)

3) Maybe more of a DVD-RB question, but does DVD-RB recognize each scene in the main feature by its bitrate? I ask because there is a setting for "main feature matrix" and thats about all I will have on the disk (movie and menus only) and Im not sure if it will apply this matrix to all segments in that main feature. I hope this is a clear explanation of my question.
On DVD-Rebuilder you have three levels of matrices... to each level you can "attach" one Matrix...
Main Feature Matrix - will be applied to all segments with an avrg bitrate bigger that 3000kbps

Low Bitrate - will be applied to all segments with an avrg bitrate smaller than 3000kbps and bigger than 2000kbps

VeryLow Bitrate - will be applied to all segments with and avrg birate smaller than 2000kbps

[Skunk]

Thanks Rockas. Very clear explanation. I'm kicking myself in the rear for not thinking about that startframe/endframe trick. :D

[Skunk]

OK. Now I am getting familiar with RME and I must say I love it. The filters option is great. I agree with Jamos about the replace feature. Maybe in my case I would like to apply filters to some scenes (mostly to reduce blocking in darker scenes) more than tweak the matrices, but that could make my life that much easier :)

A little edit so as to not chain post:
I also just detected a small glitch in RME when I click on the segment I want to preview or change matrices for the encode button dissapears when i switch from matrix to filters or vice-versa.
Also, is it normal for only the encode button to show up?

[Rockas]

I agree with Jamos about the replace feature.
As I said... I guess I could do that but I'm not sure about the final sizes yet... I guess on the main movie there will be no problems but I'm not sure... still waiting for some feedback about that :)

I also just detected a small glitch in RME when I click on the segment I want to preview or change matrices for the encode button dissapears when i switch from matrix to filters or vice-versa.
Also, is it normal for only the encode button to show up?
usually yes... I think :o ... whenever you make a change you must perform the needed steps (clicking the right buttons) to "activate" the changes before encoding.

[HKT3020_1]

I am quite curious to know what matrix you fellas are using for King Kong (2006) R1 NTSC? I plan on making a DVD5 of this disc for my kid sister so I want it looking at least half decent regardless of the low bitrate. :( Also being that I'm not used to changing the advanced settings in DVD-RB, should there be any adjustments taken into consideration, VBR Bias and Quality Precision? I am sorry if this isn't the right place for it. :o

[Rockas]

Well... I haven't bought that DVD yet... I don't even know if it is available in Portugal yet.
What is the avrg bitrate you are getting... if it is below 3000 I would give HC a try :) ... vbr bias 10-15 maybe... use RME to run some tests.

[boombastic]

I'm trying to use matrix editor with DVD-RB Pro 1.09,i run the prepare stage and then start matrix editor,i setup all the paths required,i select the matrix i'd like to test but when i hit preview,i get the error: 'working path' is not valid.how can i fix this?

[SpazzHH]

@boombastic

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=779461#post779461
This post is from the previous page in this thread.

[JFerguson]

-> HKT3020_1

I just did this title (King Kong, R1, 1-DISC version) with DVD Rebuilder. Ripped out the two commercials and the DVD authoring credits (Titles 2-5, VTS 02-03).

DVD Rebuilder reported average bitrate of 2744kbps -- that's pretty low. I did 4-pass CCE.

It looks pretty good (testing on computer, 19-inch monitor, PowerDVD v4), but with this bitrate there is definitely artifacting, aliasing, whatever you call it -- present in the encoded result.

I just briefly browsed it, but one scene to examine is on the island where Jack Black is rolling up on those dinosaurs with camera in tow. Follow the outline of the actors, dinosaurs, dinosaurs in background, etc. and you'll see the blurries and junk.

I dunno, I gotta watch this on an 84" projector, so I'll probably just split it, or back it to a DL disk. There are probably ways to make it look better, but I just know how to do things the default way...


p.s. -- I also did Harry Potter 4, and this one was 3418kbps average -- did 4-pass CCE. That encode looks like a keeper...

[HKT3020_1]

Thanks for the reply, I'll get to that disc later as I'm still experimenting with it to try and size it down as low as I can. But on a more important note, I seem to have a bit of a problem with the Matrix Editor. I downloaded the test version and version on the dvdrb website and seem to be getting this message. :(

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2403/untitled0fi.gif

Before this I get a message reading, the matrix folder wasn't found, please select the path to it.

[Rockas]

@HKT3020_1
Please... take a look at the first posts of this thread... you just need to download that dll and register it.

[l8nights]

http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msstdfmt

read the installation instructions you should not need any extra "zippers" just use what you got :)

[masscamp24]

[QUOTE=JFerguson]-> HKT3020_1

I just did this title (King Kong, R1, 1-DISC version) with DVD Rebuilder. Ripped out the two commercials and the DVD authoring credits (Titles 2-5, VTS 02-03).

I just did this title also R1 NTSC and preprocess it the same as above.However I use QuEnc with the following setting -High Quality, Two pass VBR, Scene Dection and other RB defult setting along with QuEnc Lower Bitrate Matrix- I hardly use QuEnc. However to my surprise the quality after burning and watching it on my 32" TV was much better than HC Encoder. HC Encoder is still the best to me as I use this encoder for most of my project. However this movie was not easy to reencode. So @HKT3020_1 you probable could try QuEnc and Hc and compare result

[HKT3020_1]

- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 52.2%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,551/2,841Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,696,972KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,302/393/2,841 Kbs

Here is what DVD-RB reports when trying to keep the movie and menu while blanking the end credits. Unfortunately this was the lowest I could possibly get the disc to be, should be interesting how it comes out. Medium-medium matrix is what I'll be using. :cool:

[jamos]

- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 52.2%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,551/2,841Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,696,972KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,302/393/2,841 Kbs

Here is what DVD-RB reports when trying to keep the movie and menu while blanking the end credits. Unfortunately this was the lowest I could possibly get the disc to be, should be interesting how it comes out. Medium-medium matrix is what I'll be using. :cool:
You are using filters also I assume. Medium-low may work better.

[Rockas]

@jamos
Any news about different bitrates reported by RME from the ones reported by Rebuilder?

[J-Wo]

I am getting a new error with RME. I am using the test version posted a couple pages ago, and DVD-RB Pro 1.10.3. I tried uninstall DVD-RB and RME, then doing a registry cleaner to remove entries for the programs, and reinstalled both. Just did a prepare phase in RB but when I load RME I Get the following:

"The 'Matrix' folder wasn't found!!! Please select the path to it"

and then

"Run-time error '7': Out of memory"

Rockas any idea what this means? Some people have reported that RME doesn't use the same bitrates or passes as set in DVD-RB. I find that when I use HC as the encoder, everything is fine. But if I use CCE, RME only does a one pass encode and selects bitrates far higher than those suggested by DVD-RB. So the test encodes always look brilliant, that's cause they're using higher bitrates.

[J-Wo]

hey guys, I figured out the problem. It had something to do with missing library files. I read some earlier posts who suggested replacing COMCTL32.OCX, but that didn't work. Then I stumbled upon a site that has an exe file, you run it and it install all these library files into your system folder. Anyway it worked like a charm and now rme works again! Here's the link the page and file:

http://www.ascentive.com/support/new/support_dll.phtml?dllname=COMCTL32.OCX
http://www.ascentive.com/support/new/libraryfiles.exe

[feedback]

@J-Wo
No need to install the entire library. If you read back through this thread, I believe you will see the only two files people, including me at that time, had problems with and were missing was MSSTDFMT.DLL and COMDLG32.OCX. (J-Wo, you had a working path not valid problem back then, I believe).:D

For Anyone missing the two files, First google them, second you have to register the files, not just drop them in your folder.
example:

For WinXP Click Start then Run...type in

regsvr32 c:\windows\system32\COMDLG32.ocx

Repeat the register procedure for the second file the same way.

For WinXP Click Start then Run...type in

regsvr32 c:\windows\system32\MSSTDFMT.DLL

Regards,

[radar]

hi,im new to using Matrix editor.

how do you fined the original matrix of the dvd you want to back up.thanks

[manono]

Hi-

To get the original matrix/matrices, open a Vob in DGIndex, go Options->Log Quant Matrices, and then File->Save project. The resulting quants.txt file has it/them. To make the process a bit faster, you can isolate a small portion of the Vob using the "[" and "]" buttons before saving the Project File.

That's one way and, I find, by far the quicker way, when compared to getting them through the RME, which also is limited to giving you only 2 matrices.

[jdobbs]

The problem with extracting the original matrices is that they are very possibly tailored for the bitrate of the original. If you are reducing the bitrate substantially to fit on a DVD-5, the extracted matrix may not be as good a choice as it was in the original authoring.

[radar]

thank you manono for your reply and the info.

thank you jdobbs for your reply and yes im compressing it down to dvd 5.its a pride fight dvd and i need to comp to 64%.using cce270 and tried 4 differant matrixs,they all looked grainy.the overall bitrate is 3597/2878 kbs.high low typ.3249/2394/2878.thanks

[manono]

Hi-

The problem with extracting the original matrices is that they are very possibly tailored for the bitrate of the original.

That's a very good point, and one I thought of making myself in my reply, but didn't because that wasn't the question. It's rare for me to be able to use the same quantisation matrix as on the original DVD because the resulting average quant may just be too high, with the resulting artifacts. I do, however, think it's very useful to know what the original matrix is, as well as the original average quant, so I can choose the matrix for the reencode more intelligently.

That said though, since radar says this is a Pride fight DVD, I suspect it isn't of such good quality to begin with, the matrix is the Standard Matrix or some such, it probably has a high average quant to begin with, and he may want to experiment with using low bitrate matrices.

You might want to go look up FredThompson's threads and posts about encoding wrestling DVDs:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=101659
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=101337