Rebuilder's Matrix Editor v0.2.0.9

[Rockas]

I have a new release almost done... let me see if I can enable it on the new Version... I'm not promissing... I'm going to try :)

[djan]

Why does the installation of Microsoft Word 2000 begin when I launch Matrix Editor 0.2.6 ?? Really strange !!

[Rockas]

Well... Matrix Editor uses a Microsoft Office OCX file for the Common dialogs routine... maybe it has something to do with it... did you let the Installation of Word go through the end?

[djan]

Well... Matrix Editor uses a Microsoft Office OCX file for the Common dialogs routine... maybe it has something to do with it... did you let the Installation of Word go through the end?No, I didn't. Should I ?

[Rockas]

Give it a try... just to make sure it won't launch again.

[Rockas]

changelog:

Version 0.2.0.7 (1st August 2005)

**NEW**
»» Thanks to Neuron2's QuantDump, now it's possible to extract the original Matrices from the VOB files.
Note that on VOB file can exist several different Matrices, there's no limit for it. RME will extract the first two found (Besides MPEG Standard) on each VOB file you select. On 20 different DVDs I tested I never found more than two different, but it's possible that there are some exeptions out there.

»» Enabled ProCoder mode. Please note, ProCoder doesn't support custom matrices. I enabled this mode as compression test.

*Fixes*
»» Updated QuEnc mode with the new definitions set by DVD Rebuilder since RC3.

TODO LIST

* Don't know when, yet, but I expect to enable the option of enabling the use of FILTERS on the test encodes... suggestions about filters to be used are expected (as long as you don't suggest UnDot and Deen... I know them already :))



You can dowload it from HERE (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=24)

[ron spencer]

thanks as always....one issue though....really minor, but it does stand out from when I first looked at your proggy....in the setup you ask the prog to point to "the Path to Rebuilder's Folder" Should this be where rebuilder is installed or the "working directory" where stuff is demuxed? If it is the working directory then maybe the title should be changed?

thanks

[Rockas]

No... it's the Rebuilder's Installation Folder... RME will detect your "working path" from Rebuilder.ini file.

[Rockas]

... by the way...

I started to work on the Filters Integration... so... I'm opened to suggestions about the filters you use when you get that "special hard" source :D

[djan]

... by the way...

I started to work on the Filters Integration... so... I'm opened to suggestions about the filters you use when you get that "special hard" source :DIsn't better to let user edit the avs file ? Or maybe you want to make something easy to use.

[feedback]

I like the extract matrix function on the Matrix Editor.

One thing though, I thought that non-intra values had to be above 16 to be DVD compliant? Some of the matrices I am extracting from the VOB's are well below that.

Probably showing my ignorance...oh well ignorance can be corrected, stupidity is forever. LOL


Regards,:)

[hutch1711]

Don't use values < 8 for intra and < 16 for non-intra and also don't use values > 255 (better not use values > 127, some encoders/decoders can't handle it)
There's no perfect matrix, every matrix used is a compromise.
I'm sure the values he's suggesting are to err on the side of caution.

[feedback]

Thanks for that hutch1711 ;)


Regards,:)

[Rockas]

I like the extract matrix function on the Matrix Editor.

One thing though, I thought that non-intra values had to be above 16 to be DVD compliant? Some of the matrices I am extracting from the VOB's are well below that.

Probably showing my ignorance...oh well ignorance can be corrected, stupidity is forever. LOL


Regards,:)
That option is in a early stage :)
It would be good if you check, on the folder called "TempMatrix" under RME installation directory, the file with the name of the VOB you used to extract... open it on "NotePad" and check if the "extracted" matrix matches the data on that file.

Note: the "Default...." matrix is ignored - it is MPEG Default - unless the Matrix used on that VOB uses part of it (Intra or Non-Intra).

[Carpo]

so is it best to back up the movie using the matrix you extract from it or it best to use the ones listed in the editor according to what bitrate dvd-rb says the film will have ?

[Rockas]

I don't say that it is better or not :D
It's just another source for tests... but I guess that if the reduction ain't much... maybe the original Matrix can be a good one to be used.

[Carpo]

in this case then its a no :P

[feedback]

That option is in a early stage :)
It would be good if you check, on the folder called "TempMatrix" under RME installation directory, the file with the name of the VOB you used to extract... open it on "NotePad" and check if the "extracted" matrix matches the data on that file.

Note: the "Default...." matrix is ignored - it is MPEG Default - unless the Matrix used on that VOB uses part of it (Intra or Non-Intra).
OK this is what was in the short 2 minute mpeg I extracted from.
It was in the TempMatrix folder....VTS_01_1.VOB
It matches.
The non-intra on the last set of numbers was what was confusing me.
I just thought it was supposed to be above 16.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_42.gif

Regards,:)


Default Luma and Chroma Intra Quant Matrix:
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 34 38
22 22 26 27 29 34 37 40
22 26 27 29 32 35 40 48
26 27 29 32 35 40 48 58
26 27 29 34 38 46 56 69
27 29 35 38 46 56 69 83

Default Luma and Chroma Non-Intra Quant Matrix:
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16

Luma and Chroma Intra Quant Matrix:
8 8 9 11 13 13 14 17
8 8 11 12 13 14 17 18
9 11 13 13 14 17 17 16
11 11 13 13 13 17 18 20
11 13 13 13 16 17 20 24
13 13 13 16 17 20 24 29
13 12 13 17 19 23 28 34
12 13 17 19 23 28 34 41

Luma and Chroma Non-Intra Quant Matrix:
8 8 8 9 9 9 9 10
8 8 9 9 9 9 10 10
8 9 9 9 9 10 10 10
9 9 9 9 10 10 10 10
9 9 9 10 10 10 10 11
9 9 10 10 10 10 11 11
9 10 10 10 10 11 11 11
10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11

[DocDragon]

OK, that worked- I got the system to register the dll, and the program now opens. Now I'll get on to the testing...

edit:
I'm getting a "run time error 2147467259(80004005)
automation error
unspecified error"
when selecting a segment to encode

using HC v15 as the encoder

rockas:

GREAT program -- i just stumbled over it and used it for the first time :D.

unfortunately, i got the same error message as archaeo:

Run-time error -2147467259 (80004005)
Automation error
Unspecified error

and YES, i did run the video through the PREPARE phase, first.

my steps:
1. run dvd-rb and PREPARE.
2. start the matrix editor and then press the [Preview] button.
3. a new window pops up and presents itself with a large "Rebuilder's Matrix Editor" title in the middle.
4. under "Scripts Segment List" on the left side, a bunch of AVS files are listed. but as soon as i click on any of them, i would get the error message and the matrix editor shuts down. the error appears with both the "hc" and "quenc" encoders.

used program versions:
* dvd-rb v1.0 pro rc4 full (fresh) installation (ie. including all updated files)
* matrix editor v0.2.0.7
* win xp sp2
anything else you need to know?

many thanks for all your efforts.

DD

[Rockas]

@DocDragon
Can you zip all the files on your "Working Folder" and send it to me? (Don't include the .m2v files :))

You can use - dvdrebuilderATsapo.pt (AT=@)

thanks... let's hope I can reproduce your error... I couldn't reproduce Archeo's :(

By the way... have you tried other DVDs?

[DocDragon]

@DocDragon
Can you zip all the files on your "Working Folder" and send it to me? (Don't include the .m2v files :))

You can use - dvdrebuilderATsapo.pt (AT=@)

thanks... let's hope I can reproduce your error... I couldn't reproduce Archeo's :(

By the way... have you tried other DVDs?

will do. i just got back home. let me see if this happens to other dvds, too. thanks for your reply!

DD

[Rockas]

Thanks... check your PM :)

[Carpo]

that matrix extraction is a handy little thing - dvdrb gave me a bitrate so i used a matrix that came with your prog (and it was the wong one to use - typical of me that) - so i did an extraction on it and it came out as Medium_High(3200-4000) - mpeg standard - used that and the back up looks supurb :)

[Aquilonious]

I'm backing up a DVD called, The Day After.

Using DVD Bitrate Viewer (v1.4), the average bitrate appears to be about 6000 for the original DVD (total size=6.3GB). After using Decrypter & Shrink to extract the movie only, DVD-RB Pro gives me the following stats:

Reduction Level for DVD-5: 70.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 4,597/3,678Kbs
- Space for Video : 4,261,516KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 4,243/3,050/3,678 Kbs

Using RME 0207, I extracted the matrix from all the VOB files of the movie, which were the same. The matrix appears to be a custom matrix somewhere in between the High_High (Fox) & High_Medium.

My question is...

Should I use the original matrix I extracted from the movie or opt for one that matches what DVD-RB's prepare mode indicates? (like the High_Low)

Any recommendations?

Also, (and pardon my ignorance) but what is meant by the following description for some of the matrices:

"Use only if the original DVD has overhead for compressing, if a similar high bitrate matrix was used originally, and if you're not compressing too much."

Can you put this in plainer terms, Rockas? Thanks so much!

[Rockas]

Should I use the original matrix I extracted from the movie or opt for one that matches what DVD-RB's prepare mode indicates? (like the High_Low)
That was the main purpose of the feature :)
You can run quick tests and see it for your self... I'm speaking for my self here: "I can hear others' oppinions but I still prefer to trust my eyes :)"
Oppinions are subjectives... one guy likes sharp images... the next prefer a little blur...

I usually... if possible... choose one little segment to run some "previous tests"... If I can't find any differences... then I go to the hard scenes and test them... RME was built so you can encode just one segment using all the matrices you want and give you the most close result possible that you'll get from Rebuilder.

"Use only if the original DVD has overhead for compressing, if a similar high bitrate matrix was used originally, and if you're not compressing too much."

Can you put this in plainer terms, Rockas? Thanks so much!
Those descriptions were writen by manono... but I think he is refering to DVDs that are encoded with (unnecessary) high bitrates... any way... I'll bring his attention to your post and he will certainly clarify your doubt.

[SpazzHH]

Rockas,
I have run into a small problem with 0.2.0.7. I was fixing to do a batch encode, so I have 2 different working directories. After the second "Prepare", I opened ME to extract the matrix from the movie, and no files show up in the video stream list for me to choose from.They are there if I open the Preview/Test window, but nothing when I open the Extract window. Any ideas?

Spazz

[manono]

Hi Aquilonious-

the average bitrate appears to be about 6000

Yes, but that includes not only the video bitrate, but also the audio stream(s), subs and overhead. One way to get the video only bitrate is to open the DVD in DVDShrink, get the video size and length, and then use a bitrate calculator to find out the video only bitrate. Personally, I don't think that figure is all that useful. DVD Bit Rate Viewer does show you if the minimum bitrate is nice and high, though. I much prefer the Q-Level as given by Bitrate Viewer (http://www.tecoltd.com/bitratev.htm) (taking into account that it isn't all that accurate for NTSC telecined DVDs). If you don't make an .m2v of the movie, then you can check a few vobs. So, if you get a Q-Level of below, say, 5, then you can feel safe in compressing to 70% (in the example you gave) using the same or a similar matrix. I rarely use that High_High matrix, but if it was used in the original DVD, then I'll almost always be able to use the High_Medium matrix. But as Rockas said, that's maybe the most important reason to use the features of the Matrix Editor. Then you can check the results with your eyes, as well as with Bitrate Viewer. You want to make sure that you don't get noise around sharp edges, color bleeding, and especially blocking in complex scenes.

Use only if the original DVD has overhead for compressing, if a similar high bitrate matrix was used originally, and if you're not compressing too much.

I purposely kept that vague. I've found some methods that work for me, but I'm prepared to learn from others that may develop their own and maybe better methods. With older versions of CCE, only the Standard Matrix was available. Even with more recent versions of CCE, most people still use only the Standard Matrix, even though it's a fairly simple matter to add matrices to the list. Now it's even easier by using the Matrix Editor.

1. overhead for compressing - by that I mean the original DVD has a high bitrate, a high bitrate matrix, a low average quant, and a high minimum bitrate.
2. a similar high bitrate matrix - this is important. If the Standard matrix was used originally, for example, and if you have to compress much at all, and you use a high bitrate matrix, the average quant is going to zoom up. You'll get your best results if the original DVD was top quality, because, as Rockas said, "I think he is refering to DVDs that are encoded with (unnecessary) high bitrates" I love to work with Criterion DVDs that use the highest quality matrices, and often have a very low average quant. Then you can compress the heck out of them, use a high bitrate matrix, and still get excellent results.
3. and if you're not compressing too much - This is also pretty vague. I compressed a Criterion DVD by 50% recently using the High_Medium matrix, and it turned out great. The original used the High_High matrix, and the average quant was about 3. That's pretty low, and it had all kinds of "overhead" for compressing. But you can't always count on that kind of thing. Another one I did recently used the High_High matrix, but the average quant was over 10, and even though I wasn't compressing much at all (85% or so if I remember correctly), I used a much lower quality matrix (the High_Low). The original was blocky already in places.

So, the point is, with experience and the study of the originals, along with your own tests and experiments, you'll soon learn what you can and can't get away with.

[Rockas]

Rockas,
I have run into a small problem with 0.2.0.7. I was fixing to do a batch encode, so I have 2 different working directories. After the second "Prepare", I opened ME to extract the matrix from the movie, and no files show up in the video stream list for me to choose from.They are there if I open the Preview/Test window, but nothing when I open the Extract window. Any ideas?

Spazz
I guess it was my mistake (I already changed that for the next release).
On the extract dialog I've written "Working Path" and that may be confusing 'cause people may think that I'm asking for Rebuilder's Working Path... but no... I changed the description to "DVD Folder"... that's what you have to point it to... to your Source DVD Folder... sorry

keep it UP

[Aquilonious]

Thanks for the detailed and helpful reply, manono. For The Day After I used the original matrix. The original is 4x3 NTSC and is quite grainy, so it was rather difficult to determine which matrix to use. I tried several but the original matrix generated the most accurate reproduction of the movie.

I typically only use the Fox matrix (High_High) on SuperBit DVDs, like Men in Black I & II, both which came out superb. It's quite difficult to record a move with a high bitrate matrix unless the original DVD is either DVD5 or short in length (with little or no extras). ROTK was a challenge to me in this regard, but using CCE's default matrix I found to be the best, at least to my eyes.

For my favorite movies I'm just going to purchase some DVD+R DL discs. While I know they are expensive ($3.00+ each), it's worth it to have a good backup and certainly cheaper than replacing the original (something I've had to do before).

BTW, is the MPEG Standard matrix in RME the same as the Medium_High?

Rockas: Can you add a button to check for the latest version of RME, even if it's just a link to http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=97114&highlight=rebuilder%27s+matrix+editor

Also, how many new matrices will be added in the next release? Yeah, I know--I'm too impatient. :p

Thanks!

[manono]

Hi-

BTW, is the MPEG Standard matrix in RME the same as the Medium_High?

Yes, and it's the best available in CCE (not counting the Smooth CG, which is for special cases) unless you add some of your own from which to choose. The CCE Standard Matrix is the one I've named Medium_Medium, and is sort of the "baseline" matrix.

For The Day After I used the original matrix. The original is 4x3 NTSC and is quite grainy,

This thing is 4:3 widescreen? Then you're sort of screwed already. You can reencode as 4:3 and use the Zoom to get it to fill the screen of your widescreen TV, or you can reencode it as 16:9 for your widescreen. Either way it will never look very good, as the original DVD just doesn't have decent resolution.

[Rockas]

Rockas: Can you add a button to check for the latest version of RME, even if it's just a link to
Yes... I can do that... I wish everything was so "hard" as that :D

Also, how many new matrices will be added in the next release? Yeah, I know--I'm too impatient.
None lol ... sorry :)
Now I'm working on filters... the matrices provided by manono (by the way... thanks again :)) are pretty much complete... I know... nothing is perfect... but when the number grows... so the doubts lol
As I said... I'll implement the filters test feature... I think it will be very usefull to be able to test that too.... I'll start with Undot and Deen (not because it is the best, but because it is the most common.... I will release it soon.

Then... who knows... maybe we can think about new matrices :)

[Aquilonious]

Hi-

BTW, is the MPEG Standard matrix in RME the same as the Medium_High?

Yes, and it's the best available in CCE (not counting the Smooth CG, which is for special cases) unless you add some of your own from which to choose. The CCE Standard Matrix is the one I've named Medium_Medium, and is sort of the "baseline" matrix.

For The Day After I used the original matrix. The original is 4x3 NTSC and is quite grainy,

This thing is 4:3 widescreen? Then you're sort of screwed already. You can reencode as 4:3 and use the Zoom to get it to fill the screen of your widescreen TV, or you can reencode it as 16:9 for your widescreen. Either way it will never look very good, as the original DVD just doesn't have decent resolution.

I looked at both Med_High and the MPEG matrices and the bottom portion of the numbers (nonintra?) for the MPEG matrix is different than Med_High. So is the Med_High matrix a custom MPEG matrix made specifically by CCE?

The Day After is an MGM 4:3 pan&scan production that originally aired on TV, so it was probably a tape transfer and MGM didn't bother to clean it up much.

[Aquilonious]

Yes... I can do that... I wish everything was so "hard" as that :D


None lol ... sorry :)
Now I'm working on filters... the matrices provided by manono (by the way... thanks again :)) are pretty much complete... I know... nothing is perfect... but when the number grows... so the doubts lol
As I said... I'll implement the filters test feature... I think it will be very usefull to be able to test that too.... I'll start with Undot and Deen (not because it is the best, but because it is the most common.... I will release it soon.

Then... who knows... maybe we can think about new matrices :)

Actually I'm glad you're implementing filters and making it a higher priority than adding new matrices. I have several grainy movies I want to experiment with (especially using Undot) to see if I can perhaps improve the look of the original source.

[dozkid]

Can't wait for the the version that supports filters to come out. my recordings from the tv are always a little wavie. I'd like to find a filter to make the recording play smoothly.

[Rockas]

Can't wait for the the version that supports filters to come out. my recordings from the tv are always a little wavie. I'd like to find a filter to make the recording play smoothly.
For a start.... RME will deal (on the GUI) with Undot and Deen only (... you can use others inserting the parameters by hand on a text box) 'cause these are the most used and easier to test... when the get stable... then we'll go searching for others :)

... I hope to release it during the weekend (it is done... but I need to test some new whistles and bells I introduced and clean up the code... at this point even I don't understand what I've done lol).

[Rockas]

changelog:

Version 0.2.0.8 (17th August 2005)

**NEW**
»»Added the option to display the Main Movie, Extra ou All Segments on the list.

»»Now you can configure the matrices to be used by Rebuilder(PRO) from the Preview/Test dialog.

»»I've also added the possibility to browse for “Working Folders”… now you can make tests using several projects without changing the paths on Rebuilder. The directory set on Rebuilder will be loaded by default.

»»Added a “Filters Test” option. Now you can “play” with matrices and filters. At this point I made available Undot and Deen only… not because they are the best (what’s the best, anyway? :)) but because they are the most common and they are the ones I know that the users that used the Rebuilder’s Installer have on AviSynth’s Plugin Folder… meaning… that if you want to use it you need them on that folder. I will add a few more… I’ve talked with Dragongodz about this already but feel free to suggest others :).
You can also update Rebuilder's configuration from the "Preview/Test" dialog.
note: this feature is on the first steps... use it carefully specially when using advaced options of Deen... they can really slow down your encodes... some of those options can almost double encoding time.
»»»» You can use the "Custom filters(All)" text box to add custom filters mannually... just make sure you have them on AviSynth's Plugins Folder.



You can dowload it from HERE (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=24)

[SpazzHH]

One little small thing. In the main window, after highlighting different matrices to compare the numerical differences, RME quits responding(showing the actual numeriacal values of the highlighted matrix). This happens when trying to view about the 4th or 5th one. Any ideas what could be causing this? It's not a real big deal, but it does make it kind of difficult to compare matrices. And it does create a problem when trying to see if an extracted matrix matches one I already have.

[Rockas]

I'll take a look at it...

[t3rror]

I just wanted to let you know that I am getting a 'Working Path is not valid!' error when I click on the preview button. I checked the rebuilder.ini and it is pointing to c:/dvd/. That is where everything takes place. Inside that directory is the D2VAVS directory. That is where all the files are after the PREPARE phase in RB-PRO RC5. I am using CCE 2.7.something. I am using multipass VBR, 3-pass.

[Rockas]

I just wanted to let you know that I am getting a 'Working Path is not valid!' error when I click on the preview button. I checked the rebuilder.ini and it is pointing to c:/dvd/. That is where everything takes place. Inside that directory is the D2VAVS directory. That is where all the files are after the PREPARE phase in RB-PRO RC5. I am using CCE.
Can you please tell me what is your CCE version?

edit:Are you using multi-pass or "One pass VBR (w/analysis)"?

[Ja32]

Rockas,
it is know problem for you. As you know, I have this same error.

t3rror,
thanks for your post. Now I'm not alone. :)

[Boulder]

»»Added a “Filters Test” option. Now you can “play” with matrices and filters. At this point I made available Undot and Deen only… not because they are the best (what’s the best, anyway? :)) but because they are the most common and they are the ones I know that the users that used the Rebuilder’s Installer have on AviSynth’s Plugin Folder… meaning… that if you want to use it you need them on that folder. I will add a few more… I’ve talked with Dragongodz about this already but feel free to suggest others :).

I'd suggest adding a simple TemporalSoften(2,3,3,6,2) in your program. It'll give a slight compression boost without any noticable detail loss.

Another one would be RemoveGrain(mode=0,modeU=17) , which will hammer chroma only and it's also practically unnoticable but will give some more compressibility.

[curious d]

Out of curiosity, was Kika Comic High included in the provided matrices previously? I thought I saw it in earlier versions, but when my computer went south, I had to reinstall everything and I noticed with version 2.0.8, there wasn't this particular matrix.

[Rockas]

@everyone
I'm on vacations (IIIIIUUUUUUUPPPPPPIIIIII!!!! :D) so I will only be able to correct bugs and add some new features when I get back home.

Rockas,
it is know problem for you. As you know, I have this same error.

t3rror,
thanks for your post. Now I'm not alone. :)
Yes... I'm aware of that... :(

Out of curiosity, was Kika Comic High included in the provided matrices previously? I thought I saw it in earlier versions, but when my computer went south, I had to reinstall everything and I noticed with version 2.0.8, there wasn't this particular matrix.
Since 0.2.0.7 I inserted some new mpeg2 compatible matrices provided by Manono and removed some that may not be fully compatible or even unnecessary as the new ones will be more suitable for most of the cases, and of course, I can't include dozens of matrices or the application will became too big.
Anyway... you'll find the links to some ZIP files containing Matrices on this thread, posted by feedback, but be aware... many of them are not CCE and/or Mpeg2 compatible.

[manono]

Hi-

...was Kika Comic High included in the provided matrices previously?

Yes it was, and I can take at least part of the blame for it disappearing. Rockas asked me to recommend which ones to remove in order to keep the total number of included matrices manageable, and that was one I recommended be dropped. Why? Kika is a very good matrix creator, and he knows his stuff, and it's a good matrix. However, in my opinion, it's very similar to the Smooth (CG) Matrix included in CCE, and that was the reason. So, for similar sources you can use the Smooth (CG) matrix. Or as he said, it's an easy enough matter to import it back into the Matrix Editor.

The same is true for some of the other matrices that disappeared. I had no idea which were the popular ones, but many of the low bitrate matrices were also very similar to each other, I didn't know if the Bach1 matrix, for example, was popular, and I just weeded a bunch of those low bitrate matrices out. It wasn't really any reflection of the quality of most of the matrices, but the fact that the numbers had to come down.

The real reason for the big changes in the matrices included in the RME was that I thought it was top-heavy with low bitrate matrices, and I provided Rockas with a spread of matrices, including some high bitrate matrices suitable for the movie, as well as a couple suitable for low bitrate extras, along with some vague recommendations for when they could be used, He also kept a few others for low bitrate extras. Numbers 1 through 8 were matrices I got from commercial DVDs, or were included in CCE, except for one which was a blend of 2 from commerciaql DVDs (Intra from 1, Non-intra from another). So, I know for sure that the ones numbered 1 through 8 will work in all DVD players, and are thought to be good enough to be used in commercial DVDs, or included in CCE. If some of your favorite matrices were removed, or weren't included in the first place, no insults to anyone were intended. Although I think I can defend the choices I made for numbers 1 through 8, I'll certainly understand if someone disagrees with those choices.

[feedback]

Out of curiosity, was Kika Comic High included in the provided matrices previously? I thought I saw it in earlier versions, but when my computer went south, I had to reinstall everything and I noticed with version 2.0.8, there wasn't this particular matrix.
Here is the Kika Comic High Matrix.
It is almost the same as the Kika TrickFilm High Matrix except for the very last Non-Intra Value of 24.

08 16 16 16 24 24 32 32
16 16 16 24 24 32 32 32
16 16 24 24 32 32 32 32
16 24 24 32 32 32 32 32
16 24 32 32 32 32 32 32
24 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
24 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32

16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 24

As Rockas indicated some of the Matrices included in the Zip folders I posted in this thread are definitely not mpeg2 compliant. Here is a link to that post. (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=685833&postcount=23)

manono has the more useful Matrices included in the Matrix Editor. I just like to experiment with the different and sometimes very odd Matrices included in the Zip folders.

Regards,:)

[happycase]

This is just a general question, which I know the answer should be obvious to, but I just want to be certain anways. When, in the "Preview/test section" of this program, when you select a custom matrix, and then click "update dvd rebuilder", do I have to check any options under DVD RBs Advanced options/quat matrices/main feature, or is it all automatic from that point forward? Do I check anything under Main Feature Matrix?

Oh, and one more question. Will DVD RB remember automatically use the selected matrix in the future for main movies? I guess what I'm getting at is, when you select a custom matrix and click "update DVD RB" for, say,the main feature, is that matrix then the default main feature matrix for DVD RB from that point forward until you decide to change it? Or, when going into matrix editor and selecting a custom matrix, can I set DVD RB for one click mode and start over, or do I have to go right into encode? I ask simply because I prefer doing oneclickmode backups during the night, and I don't want to wake up to click rebuild and then turn my computer off. I think I just need some clarification as to how matrix editor works, and then I can use my intuition so I don't have to ask questions such as these.

Thanks in advance for replies.

[happycase]

Bump.

Not that I'm impatient for an answer, but I don't want this topic to go so far down the page that people don't see it.

[Rockas]

First of all, sorry for my late reply... I've been a few days away on vacation and when I got back... I got sick and stayed that way on the last 5 days :(
But now I'm Back :D

This is just a general question, which I know the answer should be obvious to, but I just want to be certain anways. When, in the "Preview/test section" of this program, when you select a custom matrix, and then click "update dvd rebuilder", do I have to check any options under DVD RBs Advanced options/quat matrices/main feature, or is it all automatic from that point forward? Do I check anything under Main Feature Matrix?

Well... it is supposed that it gets everything done so you don't have to make any changes on Rebuilder... just make sure you run "Prepare Phase" again.

Oh, and one more question. Will DVD RB remember automatically use the selected matrix in the future for main movies? I guess what I'm getting at is, when you select a custom matrix and click "update DVD RB" for, say,the main feature, is that matrix then the default main feature matrix for DVD RB from that point forward until you decide to change it? Or, when going into matrix editor and selecting a custom matrix, can I set DVD RB for one click mode and start over, or do I have to go right into encode? I ask simply because I prefer doing oneclickmode backups during the night, and I don't want to wake up to click rebuild and then turn my computer off. I think I just need some clarification as to how matrix editor works, and then I can use my intuition so I don't have to ask questions such as these.

Thanks in advance for replies.
yes... the matrices will keep selected until you change them.

Yes... You'll have to start over again, 'cause, on the prepare phase, Rebuilder must "know" what matrix will be used... every time you change a matrix, you'll have to start again.

[feedback]

I got sick and stayed that way on the last 5 days
That's why, when I'm on vacation, I only drink the local beer instead of the local water. No Montezuma's Revenge for me.:D

Welcome back!:)