Yamb 2.1.0.0 beta 2 is out...

[Rumbah]

I just downloaded it again (this time with a download manager) and the error sill occurs.

I can play the file with VLC and Quicktime flawlessly. So perhaps Apple changed something that you cannot extract the movie anymore?

[SeeMoreDigital]

If it's the same Spider-Man 3 trailer I have: -

http://i15.tinypic.com/33y3jpt.png

....then you'll have to "delete" the following "Timecode Track" data: -

http://i15.tinypic.com/351ipsn.png

....before you can save it to MP4 with YAMB. That said, once saved to MP4 (with YAMB) don't expect full compatibility with QT7 player because of the (previously reported) 6Ch AAC playback issues.... The MP4 file will work perfectly in other players though :D

[Rumbah]

Quicktime does not let me save the changed file, if I click save or save as, nothing happens. Is there another way to get rid of that stream?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Quicktime does not let me save the changed file, if I click save or save as, nothing happens. Is there another way to get rid of that stream?This facility is probably only available in the "Pro" version of QT7...

Does your version of QT7 allow you to "Extract" the streams instead?

http://i15.tinypic.com/351ipsn.png


Cheers

[Rumbah]

That may be possible as I don't own the pro version.

And no, extracting streams is not possible either.

[SeeMoreDigital]

That may be possible as I don't own the pro version.

And no, extracting streams is not possible either.Bummer...

Have you tried using YAMB to extract the individual streams?

[Rumbah]

Trying to extract single streams (audio, video stream, the timecode stream is not visible) also results in

[21:38:00] : Error opening file D:\Downloads\Spider-man_3_trailer_720p.mov: IsoMedia File is truncated

[Rumbah]

Now I extracted the streams with ffmpeg and remuxed them with Yamb. That worked.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Nice one ;)

[Rumbah]

Ah, I just noticed that audio and video are not synchronized...
I think I have to live with the mov file.

[tymoxa]

Ah, I just noticed that audio and video are not synchronized...
Rumbah
Yamb 2.0 preview:
creation > ...create mp4... > add > properties (video stream)
You should enter correct frame rate (23.976 for Spider-Man 3 trailer). Your desync problem will be gone.
http://i10.tinypic.com/2dqk1z6.png

[Rumbah]

Ah, ok, thanks.
But now I have it as a matroska file as mkvmerge got fixed and now works with that file.

[Laraul]

Sep. 2, 2006
"This is not an official Release. Only a preview for some testings. Official Release will be out in few days when I would have finished to upgrade the website."

So what happened to the official release?

If your satisfied with the current version, then simply make it the official release. Looks like you worked hard on this... but it kind of looks like you've just given up. It's easy to get the impression you don't care, regardless if you do or don't.

I'd like to see a Mac port of this. Since I don't use MP4 files much with Windows (MS too stupid to support it).

[kurt]

Now I extracted the streams with ffmpeg and remuxed them with Yamb. That worked.
Ah, I just noticed that audio and video are not synchronized...
I think I have to live with the mov file.
hi Rumbah,
could you provide the commandlines to extract the audio & video streams with ffmpeg plz?
thx in advance

[Kurtnoise]

So what happened to the official release?
not yet ready because :
All bugs described previously haven't been fixed.
My free time is limited.
I would like also to include some other features.
I'm waiting a new release of MediaInfo (especially for TS streams) which is planned to the end of this month according to Zenitram...

I'd like to see a Mac port of this. Since I don't use MP4 files much with Windows (MS too stupid to support it).
Well, I don't want to install a such OS on my system right now. So, if you want to offer one for me, why not...:D

[kurt]

I extracted the video- and audiostream of Spiderman3-trailer (*.mov) with latest ffmpeg (rev7087).
ffmpeg -i spiderman.mov -vcodec copy -f rawvideo -an spiderman.264
ffmpeg -i spiderman.mov -vn -acodec copy spiderman.aac

but remuxing with yamb 2.0 failed.
[15:41:12] : Command Line used for the mp4 creation : "C:\Rippen\Programme\MeGUI\tools\mp4box\MP4Box.exe" -add "C:\Movies\spiderman.264" -keepsys "C:\Movies\spiderman.mp4"
[15:41:12] : File saved in C:\Movies\spiderman.mp4 .
[15:41:12] : Cannot find H264 start code
[15:41:12] : Error importing C:\Movies\spiderman.264: BitStream Not Compliant
[15:41:12] : Creation failed.
[15:45:34] : Yamb 2.0 closed.

I tried Kurtnoises latest mp4boxbuild and the one from c_d
Is there anything wrong with my ffmpeg commandline?

[Rumbah]

hi Rumbah,
could you provide the commandlines to extract the audio & video streams with ffmpeg plz?
thx in advance

Well, I had a problem with a direct mux to a mp4 file so I had to do the following:

ffmpeg -i Spiderman.mov -acodec copy spiderman.aac
ffmpeg -i Spiderman.mov -acodec copy -vcodec copy Spidermantemp.mp4
Then I extracted the Video out of the Spidermantemp.mp4 file with Yamb and muxed the extracted h264 video stream with the spiderman.aac to the final mp4 (if I extracted only the video stream with ffmpeg, Yamb would not accept it).
As mentioned before, you should set the correct frame rate for the muxing process.

[Kurtnoise]

mov container is the culprit...

You can also rename mov file to mp4, then mux it in mkv with mkvmerge and extract each streams through mkvextract. At last, remux each streams in the mp4 container with Yamb. Easy, isn't it ?

[Rumbah]

Well, muxing with mkvmerge only works since the version in this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=899354#post899354) post. The official 1.8 throws up an error, too.

[kurt]

ha, one is able to mux mov in mkv? great! Then I don't need this extracting remuxing thing in yamb anymore - but it is working as you both said; thank you guys! :)

[Selmer79]

Not sure if the -ipod flag works in mp4box.exe yet, but your GUI lacks a way to set it anyways..
You might also want to remove all the "Click here to..." text and it is pretty obvious that you have to click there, and I also have to double-click.. One click should be enough.

[Kurtnoise]

Not sure if the -ipod flag works in mp4box.exe yet, but your GUI lacks a way to set it anyways..
It's planned...

You might also want to remove all the "Click here to..." text and it is pretty obvious that you have to click there, and I also have to double-click.. One click should be enough.
No...it's for a good reason.

[Selmer79]

One last question.. I'm muxing in audio that has an audio delay that is listed in the filename (eg. Lain02 T01 2_0ch 224Kbps DELAY -120ms.mp4).. Will YAMB honor that delay or do I have to manually enter it for every mux-job?

[jksmurf]

Kurtnoise,

First off a big merci-beaucoup for the fantastic util, it has a really nice clean interface. It's so good, I'd love to see this interface as a splitter/jointer extended to MPEG2/AVI files too (it seems only MP4/3GPP current supported formats). Any chance of that?

I came across it in a search for splitting mp4 (x264) files, which it did really well, in the set specific-sized chunk mode I used it for. I can't wait for the preview screen to be enabled, presumably with multiple (but allowing uneven) cut points, producing uneven length cuts?? This will give it greater added flexibilty as at present (as far as I can tell, you can only make a fixed split file sizes, or single cut point to make two files, (each of which I guess you could then edit again etc etc). Is this how preview will work i.e. cut points anywhere?

Suggestions (only):

I have another suggestion for the splitter function, especially if the multiple (uneven) cut points scheme is implemeted. I'd really like to see a "auto-concatenate" option after the splitting event. If you know you are going to split it into a finite number of sections, then:

If these split files are numbered e.g. lets say you split a show with Garbage at the beginning and end and an advert in the middle, that would be 3 sets of garbage (which can be automatically numbered by YAMB as 1, 3 and 5) and two bits of show (automatically numbered 2 and 4). You then say (using check-box e.g.) I want 2 and 4 joined (concatenated) and it will automatically do that in one hit (i.e. just saves going into the join (conatenate) screen. Anotehr suggestion might be say add an option for concatenate the even (or odd) files, as you might cut into pre-show garbage(1), then show (2), ad break (3) then show (4), then ad break (5), then show (6), then end of show garbage(7).

Cheers again, great bit of work.

k.

[Kurtnoise]

I'm muxing in audio that has an audio delay that is listed in the filename (eg. Lain02 T01 2_0ch 224Kbps DELAY -120ms.mp4).. Will YAMB honor that delay or do I have to manually enter it for every mux-job?
If your delay has been taken into account during audio transcoding, no need to report it again...

[Kurtnoise]

First off a big merci-beaucoup for the fantastic util, it has a really nice clean interface. It's so good, I'd love to see this interface as a splitter/jointer extended to MPEG2/AVI files too (it seems only MP4/3GPP current supported formats). Any chance of that?
Nope...

I came across it in a search for splitting mp4 (x264) files, which it did really well, in the set specific-sized chunk mode I used it for. I can't wait for the preview screen to be enabled, presumably with multiple (but allowing uneven) cut points, producing uneven length cuts?? This will give it greater added flexibilty as at present (as far as I can tell, you can only make a fixed split file sizes, or single cut point to make two files, (each of which I guess you could then edit again etc etc). Is this how preview will work i.e. cut points anywhere?
only at key-frames.

I have another suggestion for the splitter function, especially if the multiple (uneven) cut points scheme is implemeted. I'd really like to see a "auto-concatenate" option after the splitting event. If you know you are going to split it into a finite number of sections, then:

If these split files are numbered e.g. lets say you split a show with Garbage at the beginning and end and an advert in the middle, that would be 3 sets of garbage (which can be automatically numbered by YAMB as 1, 3 and 5) and two bits of show (automatically numbered 2 and 4). You then say (using check-box e.g.) I want 2 and 4 joined (concatenated) and it will automatically do that in one hit (i.e. just saves going into the join (conatenate) screen. Anotehr suggestion might be say add an option for concatenate the even (or odd) files, as you might cut into pre-show garbage(1), then show (2), ad break (3) then show (4), then ad break (5), then show (6), then end of show garbage(7).
I'll see what can I do but that doesn't seem to be easy to do btw.

[Selmer79]

Just noticed one thing..
When using the EDITING > TAG section, finished tagging one file and the BACK-button doesn't work.

[bond]

mov container is the culprit...

You can also rename mov file to mp4, then mux it in mkv with mkvmerge and extract each streams through mkvextract.you can not rename .mov to .mp4 for the aac part, as aac is stored differently in mp4 and mov

At last, remux each streams in the mp4 container with Yamb. Easy, isn't it ?yeah

[Kurtnoise]

mov trailers contain always audio & video streams you know ;). So, why not after all. It should work...even it's not recommended as you said.

[bond]

avi also contains audio and video streams. so what? aac is stored differently in mov than in mp4, so renaming .mov to .mp4 with aac is not only just not recommended, but simply nonsense

nonsense because a pure .mp4 tool will NOT be able to handle the aac stream. if you have a tool that still handles the aac stream it will most likely also handle it with the mov extension...

[Kurtnoise]

ahem...I spoke about mov trailers. Only *trailers*...

aac is stored differently in mov than in mp4
depends of what kind of muxers we use...

[bond]

depends of what kind of muxers we use...spec compliant muxers mux aac differently into mov than into mp4, as its the case for the mov trailers on apples page

[SeeMoreDigital]

spec compliant muxers mux aac differently into mov than into mp4, as its the case for the mov trailers on apples pageIndeed...

I guess this would explain why nobody here has been able to successfully mux MPEG-4 video together with 6Ch AAC audio within .MOV.... and get them to play in QT7 player :scared:

[CubaMAN]

Indeed...

I guess this would explain why nobody here has been able to successfully mux MPEG-4 video together with 6Ch AAC audio within .MOV.... and get them to play in QT7 player :scared:

Is there any chance that it will be able or do we have to wait till Apple updates the Quicktime Player to play .mp4 with 6Ch?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Is there any chance that it will be able or do we have to wait till Apple updates the Quicktime Player to play .mp4 with 6Ch?Well all I can say is.... During the beta testing stage of QT7, I reported this particular issue after using every one of their beta builds.... And nothing was done :eek: :scared:

[vlada]

Do you know anyone who is using QuickTime Player? I don't. Maybe on Apple computers, which are not very popular in Europe. I wouldn't worry about it, just tell people to use VLC.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Do you know anyone who is using QuickTime Player? I don't. Maybe on Apple computers, which are not very popular in Europe. I wouldn't worry about it, just tell people to use VLC.Yes... all my clients use it to distribute their "show-reels" video's via their web sites!

QT7 still provides the simplest way of displaying full motion video (with 2Ch AAC audio) within web pages.... As it's so simple to do ;)

[vlada]

Strange people... I would use Flash for maximum compatibility and DivX for best quality. Have you ever seen trailers at Stage6 (by DivX)? Perfect quality and it is also very simple.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Strange people... I would use Flash for maximum compatibility and DivX for best quality. Have you ever seen trailers at Stage6 (by DivX)? Perfect quality and it is also very simple.Eh....

DivX conforms to Part 2 of the ISO MPEG-4 14496 specification. Which can easily be muxed (as a simple profile stream) into either the MP4 or MOV container. And then played in QT7.

The quality of MPEG-4 Part 2 is easily surpassed by MPEG-4 Part 10 (aka: MPEG-4 AVC), which can be played in QT7 too.... With the greatest respect, you're not making any sense at all!

[vlada]

SeeMoreDigital
I wasn't trying to say, that MPEG-4 ASP is better then MPEG-4 AVC. You're absolutely right here. I was comparing quality of YouTube and Stage6 services.

My point was, that DivX offers a simple yet powerful web player, which can stream standard AVI-MPEG-4 ASP/MP3 files. I think there is no doubt that the usability of AVI files is much better then MOV/MP4.

Get the DivX Web Player (http://www.divx.com/divx/webplayer/) (just 1,3 MB) and look at videos published at Stage6 (http://stage6.divx.com/members/60683/videos/910). I think anyone who has seen it will shortly forget that anything like QuickTime ever existed. :)

But I think we're getting off-topic. It is probably my fault...

[SeeMoreDigital]

SeeMoreDigitalGet the DivX Web Player (http://www.divx.com/divx/webplayer/) (just 1,3 MB) and look at videos published at Stage6 (http://stage6.divx.com/members/60683/videos/910). I think anyone who has seen it will shortly forget that anything like QuickTime ever existed. :) Been there, tried it, I even helped DivX with the early development of their web embeded player. No, I won't be going down this route. Nor would I recommend its use to others!

The practice of placing MPEG-4 (Part 2 or Part 10) video in the .AVI container for streaming is as outdated as the .AVI container itself....

And seeing as though YAMB is an MP4 muxing tool... Yes you are way off topic!

[nickolasemp]

I tried to add an avc file(~4Gb) in an mp4 container and yamb stopped at 2Gb. Is it some sort of bug?

[Kurtnoise]

Nothing to do with Yamb but known issue from MP4Box sometimes.

[nickolasemp]

sometimes

what do you mean by that? is there any way to get it done? Should I try over a couple of times?

[Kurtnoise]

I mean that some people have already reported the same problem but personally I never been able to reproduce this behavior (either on windows or linux systems).

[chipzoller]

Kurtnoise13, any new developments or work on your 2.0 preview? :)

[Kurtnoise]

I'm working on it but my free time is quite limited. I hope to release something during my x-mas holidays (which begins next week...) :)

[Kurtnoise]

Hey guys,

I'm in vacation right now and I begin to update a new release. I'm thinking to add .TS support. We have worked together with Zenitram to have something fine in MediaInfo lib...So, with the last one AVC and/or MPEG-2 video streams in .TS are well detected.

Problem comes from MP4Box (not really an issue but huh...) coz the last builds are not well stable due to symbian port. Some parts have been rewriten and some features are now buggy (like vobsub support and especially .TS import). So, to have something useable we need an old build but this implies that the few bugs fixed previously haven't been included.

So what do you think guys ? We wait some updates from gpac devs or we start as soon as possible with an old build and some new stuff ?

comments welcome...;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Kurt,

I've gone back to using your MP4Box_0.4.3_(2006-10-05) build. Which seems very stable...

Interestingly, when MP4Box scans TS files for PID assignments, and misses some of them (audio usually).... It is possible to manually add their values and still demux the streams.

By-the-way, I currently have to obtain the PID values by playing the TS source using Haali

[Kurtnoise]

Interestingly, when MP4Box scans TS files for PID assignments, and misses some of them (audio usually)....
I've made some tests with the 20060828 build and all seems to be ok with it concerning PID detection...Anyway, I won't use MP4Box to find those values but MediaInfo directly. ;)