DVD-Audio ripper

[ggking7]

Nevermind, got it going via wine.

[odin24]

I'm getting the error MLP decoder failed during extraction. I tried to convert to WAVE. I'm using the latest version a few post's ago.

Am I supposed to have other decoders installed while running DVD-A Explorer?

I'm getting the same error as Gubbah (post #381 & 382), I try the ignore error feature and that is when I get the MLP decoder failed during extraction problem.

[ggking7]

odin24, are you using wine? If so, try unmounting and mounting the DVD-A again. I was having the same problem as you.

[odin24]

Windows Vista.

[Mark_A_W]

Has anybody managed to convert Remain in Light to WAV?

I get a MLP decoder error. If I set it to ignore errors, I get a 45KB wav file :(

It will spit out the MLP files.

(Vista32).

Ta

Mark

[Mark_A_W]

Ok, I got it working on my old PC running XP, as opposed to my new PC with Vista32.

Of course, it was fun fun fun as the old PC's drive wouldn't read the DualDisc, so I had to go back and forth across the network.


Anyway, it's all done and converted to FLAC (so I can listen with Digital Room Correction in the filter path)...sweet.

[TommyV22]

OK I am just trying to get up to speed here.

Using this latest DVDA Explorer prog, is it possible to make a 1:1 copy of a DVD-Audio disc without converting it to any other format like WAV? Basically can they be ripped to the HDD unchanged and then burned so they will play in my DVD-A player exactly like the original? Is there any prog that does this?

[frenchglen]

OK I am just trying to get up to speed here.

Using this latest DVDA Explorer prog, is it possible to make a 1:1 copy of a DVD-Audio disc without converting it to any other format like WAV? Basically can they be ripped to the HDD unchanged and then burned so they will play in my DVD-A player exactly like the original? Is there any prog that does this?

DVDFab Platinum is what you need to use. Use the "clone" function to make a perfect disc copy.

But if the disc is watermarked you need a dvd-a player that ignores watermarks. what model do you have?

[Ghitulescu]

But if the disc is watermarked you need a dvd-a player that ignores watermarks. what model do you have?

Is there any list of them?

[rica]

OK I am just trying to get up to speed here.

Using this latest DVDA Explorer prog, is it possible to make a 1:1 copy of a DVD-Audio disc without converting it to any other format like WAV? Basically can they be ripped to the HDD unchanged and then burned so they will play in my DVD-A player exactly like the original? Is there any prog that does this?

Hi,

I don't think it's a good idea to copy DVD-A disc since you will never achieve to play it on any standalone player.
(BTW you can give it a go with ImgBurn as well.)

Here is the DVD_A structure. Do you see any mlps? They are hidden under the sub-folders.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6703/dvdastructure.th.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/dvdastructure.png/)

And you see a dvdaudio.mkb file; lets have a look at what mkb is:

Decryption process
To view the movie, the player must first decrypt the content on the disc. The decryption process is somewhat convoluted. The disc contains 4 items—the Media Key Block (MKB), the Volume ID, the Encrypted Title Keys, and the Encrypted Content. The MKB is encrypted in a subset difference tree approach. Essentially, a set of keys are arranged in a tree such that any given key can be used to find every other key except its parent keys. This way, to revoke a given device key, the MKB needs only be encrypted with that device key's parent key.

Once the MKB is decrypted, it provides the Media Key, or the km. The km is combined with the Volume ID (which the program can only get by presenting a cryptographic certificate to the drive, as described above) in a one-way encryption scheme (AES-G) to produce the Volume Unique Key (Kvu). The Kvu is used to decrypt the encrypted title keys, and that is used to decrypt the encrypted content.[4][6]

(from Wiki)

So, afaik you have two options:

First: Decrypt mlps and leave them as they are:

Follow the steps one to four here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1254323#post1254323

Put mlp(s) into an mka container via mkvmerge gui.

Open this mka via graphstudio/graphedit or MPC-HC:

Register matroskasplitter.ax under standalone MPC-HC filters.
And here is the chain:

mpc matroska Source > ffdshow > Default Direct sound device

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1273595#post1273595

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1274039#post1274039

Second: Convert them to flac:

Follow the steps five to six here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1254323#post1254323

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[raquete]

Just to keep the links alive, here's rapidshare mirrors for DVDAExplorer:

Windows version, beta 3: http://rapidshare.com/files/143230493/DVDAExplorer2008.07.21.zip
Mac version beta 3: http://rapidshare.com/files/143238083/DVDAExplorerBeta3OSX.zip

MooCan: I had no problem with Queen Night at Opera.

link to Windows version, beta 3 was removed by uploader, then i upload (same windows version) : http://rapidshare.com/files/269191887/DVDAExplorer2008.07.21.zip

[ron spencer]

@rica

backups do play...only time they doe not is if watermarked and you burn as dvd-a

[rica]

@rica

backups do play...only time they does not is if watermarked and you burn as dvd-a

Ron,
Even un-watermarked DVD-A copies didn't play on my standalone Pioneer.
Anyway, i think the best way is to use DVD-Audio ripper and DVD Audio solo together.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1315849#post1315849

[Music Fan]

Hi,
I'm new here and this is my first post (and my mother tongue is not english, as you will see :D ).
I have already created a dvd-audio, burnt it and listened to it without problem, but I don't understand everything about dvd-a copy. Thus, I have some questions.

-I know how to see if there's a CPPM-protection (DVDAUDIO.MKB in the AUDIO_TS directory), but how do we see if it's watermarked or not (if it's possible) ?
I read several times that it was impossible to remove watermarking, but I found this ;
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/209714
When you has passed the files with DVDARipper into Hard Drive, because don't you try to make something like this?:
"ppcmripper 96000 F:\AUDIO_TS D:\TEMP -w -s" (THIS IS A EXPERIMENTAL *.BAT).
Probably you was able to capture the surround music.
Note:
F:\AUDIO_TS is the directory where you store the ripped DVD-AUDIO with DVDARipper.
D:\TEMP is the directory where ppcmripper send the ripped music.
The -w (cut the watermarks) an -s (capture the surround).
Be sure the frequency is 96000 or another (WinDVD indicates in Information dialog).

Is it a joke or it does really work ?

-Watermarking doesn't look important for people who convert dvd-a to Flac or other formats. So, is it only problematic when whe make an exact copy ?
Hopefully, even in this case, it's not a problem when the player is insensitive to Watermarking. I have the Pioneer dv-585, but I don't know if he accepts watermarked dvd-a copies, as the 575 does. I didn't see the 585 in the list of working players with watermarked copies, so I hope this list is incomplete.

-What's the last version of dvdaripper ? I believe it's 099f but I'm not sure.

-How do we use exactly dvdaripper ?
I read the readme.txt but I mean, in the command line, do we have to specify the exact place of the program ? For example ;
C:\program files\dvdaripper.exe <D:\dvd-a\AUDIO_TS> <F:\copy folder>
The readme is not very clear on this point and I'm not regular with command lines.:o

-I guess that we have to put the WinDVD.dll (given with dvdaripper) in the same directory than dvdaripper and that it doesn't replace Windvd (the whole program) that we also have to install, am I right ?

-I read that some guys have problems to copy dvd-audio with some versions of Windvd. What are the versions really working ? Or the non-working, if it's shorter.

-If the AUDIO_TS part is higher than 4,38 GB (dvd-5) and that we wanna burn a dvd-9 (actually no choice), do we have to choose a place for layer-break (with GEAR PRO Mastering), as with dvd-video (easy with Imgburn), or it's not important with dvd-audio ?
Because I'm afraid to here a break in the middle of a song.

Sorry for all these questions :o, but the answers are not easy to find.
Thanks a lot for your help ! ;)

[Midzuki]

@ Music Fan:

Just in case... you haven't noticed it yet:

the year is 2009, not 2005. :D

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22dvdaexplorer%22&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=shaplay+shadson&btnG=Google+Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=foobar2000+dvd-audio+plugin&btnG=Google+Search

HTH!

[Music Fan]

:(
A more detailed response would be ... nice.;)

[raquete]

Music Fan, get DVD-A Explorer.
is very easy to use.
just unrar somewhere and look "DVD-Audio Explorer User Manual.html" inside.
have lots of options to extract the files.

http://rapidshare.com/files/269191887/DVDAExplorer2008.07.21.zip

cheers!

[Music Fan]

Thank you raquete ;), but I have it !
I tried it yesterday but I don't find the way to copy the entire AUDIO_TS folder.:o
Is it possible with this program or it's only done for people who wanna extract the tracks ?

Anyway, I found this interesting topic on another forum ;
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/751985
The guy (stephano1) says that DvdFab can copy dvd-audio. It's maybe what I need because I wanna make an exact copy (to keep the menus).
He also speaks about watermarking problems and he can read watermarked copies on a player which reads watermarks ! But anther guy cannot with his Denon player.


Another question : is the watermarking problematic even when the tracks are converted into another format or only when we make dvd-audio copies ?
I ask it because I have an idea for people who cannot read copies or compilation (made from several dvd-audio) because of watermarking and who don't want to :
-compress the sound in a lossy format
-read the sound from their pc
=> AVCHD could be a solution ! But you need a Blu-ray player or a PS3.
As you surely know, it supports the same audio formats than Blu-ray (I'm not 100 % sure about that but nearly), so you can put 3 lossless codecs ; LPCM, Dolby True HD and DTS MA.
The simplest format is of course the LPCM, because you don't need to compress the sound in True HD or DTS MA, but as these 2 formats are compressed, they allow you to put more music in the same quality than LPCM.
But I believe that we cannot put only music on AVCHD, so we have to add video. And I guess that the chapters need to be on Keyframes.
A mpeg-2 video in 480i/p (or 576i/p) at 2Mps is enough and compatible with AVCHD (useful for not losing too much space for sound).

I have read a little bit more than the half of this topic, so excuse me if this idea has already been evoked in the few pages I have not read. :o ;)

[rica]

@Music fan,
Have you ever taken a look at these:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1310090#post1310090

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1316893#post1316893


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[dizziness]

Can someone recompile Beta 3 for Mac 10.6?

[Music Fan]

@ rica :yes, I had seen this page, thanks.
But I find my solution (AVCHD) easier to achieve.
As I said, AVCHD is for people who prefer to avoid pc, and we can't read Flac with a standalone player.

Nobody answered me about exact copy of AUDIO_TS folder. Nobody here is interested by that ?
So, I tried Dvd Fab and it looks great. I haven't burnt the dvd yet, but I guess it will work on my Pioneer dv-585 (Mediatek chipset).
I tried the two ways to copy a dvd-audio with this program, and the clone mode (iso image) keeps everything, even the CPPM protection !
The full disc mode remove it but keeps everything else (menus).
This choice is cool and could be very useful for people who have watermarking problems.
Unless no one of these two solutions works. That's where AVCHD takes place. Except if watermarking don't allow that, but it would be astonishing.
That's why I would like to know in wich cases watermarking is recognized. I mean, wich formats (codecs) and supports (cd, Dvd-video, AVCHD ...) keep a trace of it and block the player.
Another way to ask it ;
Does watermarking need a player made to recognize it (dvd-audio player) to be efficient ?
If yes, AVCHD (or dvd-video in DTS for example) should work (if the Blu-ray player cannot read dvd-audio and is not made to be sensitive to watermarking).
If no, how is it possible ?

[Music Fan]

Not a lot of answers here.:confused:

I continued my tests, and I can burn and read on my Pioneer dv-585 a clone copy made by Dvd fab and burnt by Imgburn, but this dvd was not protected by CPPM. AUDIO-TS and VIDEO_TS folders of this dvd hold together on a dvd-5.
My protected dvd-audio don't hold on dvd-5, and I don't want to burn them on dvd-9 if I'm not sure that it will work (because of the price of dvd-9), and there's another big problem.
As I said a few posts before, it's possible to extract the AUDIO_TS of the iso image and open it with Gear Pro to burn only the AUDIO_TS part when it holds on a dvd-5, but GEAR PRO cannot open the copies of protected (clone with MKB file) or even decrypted (MKB removed) dvd-audio (by Dvd Fab in both cases) !:eek:
Actually, he can (sometimes), but he says that there's a problem with ifo (he can't open the folder in this case) or the size of sectors of AOB files, and he suggest to increase the size of these sectors (the size of AOB don't change :confused: ), but it doesn't hold anymore on a dvd-5.:(
If I refuse, he doesn't open the concerned AOB and I can't burn the project with a missing AOB.:(
Another very strange fact is that Gear Pro could open without problem the AUDIO_TS folder of my non-protected dvd-audio.
Does it mean that Gear Pro cannot burn a protected dvd-audio ? And if I had created it myself with a dvd-audio authoring tool, why couldn't I burn it with Gear Pro Mastering Edition ?
And Disc Welder can't import AUDIO_TS, he only creates that from wav or mlp files.
In this situation, if I want to do exact copies, I see 2 solutions ;
-burn the iso clone (containing exact copies of protected VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS) on a dvd-9
-extract the AUDIO_TS of the iso (if it holds on a dvd-5) and recreate an Iso with Imgburn, to avoid Gear Pro that can't open it.
But I guess that normally, Imgburn could not create a dvd-audio project. The burning of an iso image created by Imgburn from an AUDIO_TS folder looks too simple.
On the link I gave 3 days ago (afterdawn forum), stephano1 says that it works, but I find it weird because if only a few programs can burn dvd-audio, i guess that they create a special structure and not only an AUDIO_TS burnt in UDF 1.02 mode.
Is there another program that can burn dvd-audio ?
I saw on a forum that DiscJuggler and DigiOnAudio could but were not recommended.

Finally, I would like to know how tu use 4C12bit. I found that example in the help file of DVDAexplorer ;
4C12bit -i %filepath% -l %path%/%filebase%.log
but I don't understand how to use it.:o
I tried with complete filepath but it doesn't work.
In wich directory do I have to put 4C12bit ?
What means this sign => %
Do I have to keep it or replace by > (or <) or anything else ?
So, what is the exact command line ? Not a simplified or shorter example, the real one.
Thanks a lot. ;)

[raquete]

Not a lot of answers here.:confused:

...In this situation, if I want to do exact copies, I see 2 solutions ;
-burn the iso clone (containing exact copies of protected VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS) on a dvd-9
-extract the AUDIO_TS of the iso (if it holds on a dvd-5) and recreate an Iso with Imgburn, to avoid Gear Pro that can't open it.
But I guess that normally, Imgburn could not create a dvd-audio project.
i never could copy Audio-ts folder that works on DVD-A player, only works in pc.

i'm not expert and i used DVDAExplorer 2 times only and a few days ago(see my posts here, are news).

after extract as waves with DVDAExplorer i re-author the Audio-ts folder(MLP from surcode)) and import the video-ts folder with CHROME.
if you do like that will works in your DVD-A player.

if you want another solution just wait for any advanced user, i'm newby in the process too.

[Music Fan]

Thanks for your help raquete ! ;)

But I won't have to do that because I have VERY good news : the trick of the "re-build" ISO by Imgburn works perfectly on my Pioneer dv-585 ! :eek: :) :cool:
I don't understand how it's possible but it works.
But you absolutely need a VIDEO_TS directory unless Imgburn won't be able to do an ISO with only the AUDIO_TS directory. So for him it's a dvd-video with an AUDIO_TS "bonus".
If there's not enough place to add the original VIDEO_TS directory because the original disc was a dvd-9 and the AUDIO_TS alone holds on a dvd-5, cut the VIDEO_TS with dvd-shrink in re-author mode or put what you want in it (a video of a few seconds will do the job), but Imgburn needs a VIDEO_TS directory.

And the whole process has been achieved with free programs : Dvd Fab, Winrar (to extract the Iso), and Imgburn. Isn't that beautiful ? :cool:

I did it with a protected dvd-audio (at least by CPPM, I don't know if it's watermarked) and I kept the CPPM protection (clone mode with Dvd Fab).
But it could work even if you copy in full disc mode (it removes CPPM protection). In this case, you need only two programs : Dvd Fab and Imgburn.
It will perhaps depends on the player and it could maybe not work at all with some players.

TRY THIS ! ;)


Don't forget to explain me how works 4C12bit if you can.:thanks:

[raquete]

cool,
first you was asking, now is teaching.
i will read about 4C12bit and if i find good answers i post.

[Music Fan]

first you was asking, now is teaching.
:D :cool:

i will read about 4C12bit and if i find good answers i post.
Thanks.
I searched with Google but 4C12bit doesn't look very known.

[raquete]

from DVD-Audio Explorer User Manual.html
"Use 4C12bit utility to check presence of audio watermark. This software contains part of CyberLink PowerDVD v7, you should have licence to run.
For more detailed information about 4C 12 Bit watermark see ..."
have a link to .pdf file that don't work(page not found) but you can start here:
http://www.4centity.com/
"4C Entity has developed a solution: Content Protection for Recordable Media (CPRM) and Content Protection for Pre-recorded Media (CPPM). The CPRM/CPPM specification defines a renewable cryptographic method for protecting entertainment content when recorded on removable and portable physical media including, but not limited to, DVD media and Flash memory."

i wish that help.

cheers.

[Music Fan]

Thanks but I had found it.
I have the program and the pdf but it just explains the principle of watermarking, not command lines.
Here is the link of the pdf ;
http://www.4centity.com/docs/4C_Spec.pdf

[Music Fan]

Someone explained me how should work this command line, here is an example ;
4C12bit -i G:\file.wav -l H:\dvda.log

I believe the path has to be as short as possible unless it won't work.

4C12bit has to be in Windows/system32 or you can put it in another directory but in this case you have to write te complete path, for example ;
F:\program\4C12bit.exe -i G:\file.wav -l H:\dvda.log

But I can't make it work yet although I have Power dvd 7 !:confused:
I get this message in the DOS window ;
"This software contains part of CyberLink PowerDVD v7, you should have licence to run."

But I have it ! It's the 7.2 BE Edition.
What do I misunderstand ?

[Music Fan]

Actually it works !:)
I believed that no log had been created because of this message in the Dos window but it was created !
Now I have to elucidate what means exactly this log.
If there are some "1" and not only "x", does it mean that the wav is wartermarked ?

[ToadMazter]

Hey all, thought you'd like to know there is another tool that we now can use for ripping DVD-A's! I was browsing the AVS Forum yesterday here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1160148) , and there is a new project at sourceforge for a Foobar2000 plugin that can play and rip/convert. Its called simply dvdadecoder (http://dvdadecoder.sourceforge.net/). I've been using it for a few hours, and it is really slick. Allows me to rip to a multichannel wav/flac/etc with one step.

Now, I just need to find a method do a CDDB lookup so I can automate the Artist/Album/Track info into the file names and metadata.

Enjoy!

[Midzuki]

Hey all, thought you'd like to know there is another tool that we now can use for ripping DVD-A's! I was browsing the AVS Forum yesterday here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1160148) , and there is a new project at sourceforge for a Foobar2000 plugin that can play and rip/convert. Its called simply dvdadecoder (http://dvdadecoder.sourceforge.net/). I've been using it for a few hours, and it is really slick. Allows me to rip to a multichannel wav/flac/etc with one step.

That's old news. :) Take a look at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1302992#post1302992

Enjoy! :D

P.S.: Speaking of "old news", ...

is ShaPLAY (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145660) "dead and buried" already? :confused:

[DragonQ]

If I have extracted some .wav files from a DVD-Audio (96kHz, 24-bit, 5.1) that will fit on a dual layered DVD, what software (preferably free) can I use to make a DVD-Video using these WAV files and a simple menu so that I can play them on any player? It will have to playback without gaps too.

[Music Fan]

You will have to compress the wav in Dolby Digital or Dts. BeSweet can do that for Dolby Digital. For Dts, there is Surcode Dts but it's not free ;
http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/products/surcode06.html
To make a simple authoring, there's Muxman, one of the versions is free ;
http://www.mpucoder.com/Muxman/versions.shtml

[DragonQ]

Well I already have the original DVD-A with a DTS track, I was hoping I could leave it uncompressed. Does DVD-Video not support 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 channel PCM?

[Midzuki]

DVD-lab PRO has a 30-day trial period --- it can easily create a disc containing "audio titles" only. dvdauthor is 100%-freeware, but I don't know whether any of its various GUIs supports all features available in the command-line environment.

[Music Fan]

Does DVD-Video not support 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 channel PCM?
No.
With that quality, you have to do a dvd-audio or an AVCHD, as I said here a few weeks ago. But you need a Blu-ray player to play it.

[Midzuki]

Does DVD-Video not support 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 channel PCM?

No.
With that quality, you have to do a dvd-audio or an AVCHD, as I said here a few weeks ago. But you need a Blu-ray player to play it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video#Audio_data says:

The official allowed formats for the audio tracks on a DVD Video are:

* PCM: 48 kHz or 96 kHz sampling rate, 16 bit or 24 bit L-PCM, 2 to 6 channels, up to 6144 kbit/s. N.B. 16-bit 48 kHz 8 channel PCM is allowed by the DVD-Video specification but is not well-supported by authoring applications or players.
* AC-3: 48 kHz sampling rate, 1 to 5.1 (6) channels, up to 448 kbit/s
* DTS: 48 kHz or 96 kHz sampling rate, 2 to 6.1 channels, Half Rate (768 kbit/s) or Full Rate (1536 kbit/s)
* MP2: 48 kHz sampling rate, 1 to 7.1 channels, up to 912 kbit/s

[Music Fan]

Yes, i have seen it several times, but i don't know any authoring program that accept LPCM 5.1 for dvd-video.
And even if you find one, no player will play that for a simple reason : most of dvd-video players have only 2 cinch output and you need 6 (for 5.1). And the SPDIF can't send LPCM in 5.1.
And to respect a norm, a format has to be played by all players compatible with this norm, so it's not really dvd-video compliant.

[Midzuki]

Yes, i have seen it several times, but i don't know any authoring program that accept LPCM 5.1 for dvd-video.
And even if you find one, no player will play that for a simple reason : most of dvd-video players have only 2 cinch output and you need 6 (for 5.1). And the SPDIF can't send LPCM in 5.1.
And to respect a norm, a format has to be played by all players compatible with this norm, so it's not really dvd-video compliant.

In general terms, I have to agree with you ---
notwithstanding, I really couldn't help noticing some blatant
contradictions in the paragraph above. :)

[Music Fan]

English is not my mother tongue, so it's not easy to explain a problem as I would do in my language.
Anyway, i belive that there is no contradiction. Because when I say that "most of dvd-video players have only 2 cinch output", it means that some dvd-video players (that only read dvd-video and neither dvd-audio nor Sacd) have 6 cinch output (for players with Dolby Digital and Dts decoder).
And as we need 6 cinch output on a player to hear the LPCM 5.1 (if there is no Hdmi and because we can't send it on SPDIF), we can consider that LPCM 5.1 is not dvd-video compliant, because most of players have not 6 cinch output but only 2.
And a dvd-video has to be played on all dvd-video players, even the old models with only 2 cinch output and without Hdmi.
In this situation, I really believe that this "official" characteristic should be considered as an error and should have been erased of the definitive documentation.

[jolson]

Simply stated: All DVD players that have a way to output uncompressed, multi-channel audio (usually 6 analogue, but Denon / Pioneer / Meridian have Denonlink / iLink / MHR for encrypted digital) are DVD-Audio players. The players that only play DVD-Video don't have these outputs.

[Music Fan]

Yes, but we have to specify to avoid confusion that even dvd-video players that have 6 channel output can't play uncompressed audio.
And to end my argument : let's imagine that we can author a dvd-video with Multichannel PCM : what happens if we play it on a dvd-video player only equipped with 2 cinch and a SPDIF output ? Do we lose 4 channels ? Is there a downmix ?
Actually, I believe the disc will be refused by the player because it's not conceived to manage multichannel PCM.
And in my opinion, the same problem will happen with a player equipped with multichannel output, because this 5.1 output is reserved for Dolby Digital and Dts.
Thus, a dvd player will only play uncompressed multichannel audio if it isn't only a dvd-video player but also a dvd-audio player, with the dvd-audio logo !
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3430/309501365DVD%20Audio%20Video%20logo%20120.jpg

[jolson]

Well, that was a way to say about the same as me in three times the amount of words... :-)

[DragonQ]

Simply stated: All DVD players that have a way to output uncompressed, multi-channel audio (usually 6 analogue, but Denon / Pioneer / Meridian have Denonlink / iLink / MHR for encrypted digital) are DVD-Audio players. The players that only play DVD-Video don't have these outputs.

My parents' really old player from ~1998 has 6 channel analogue output and it definitely doesn't play DVD-Audio.

The actual LPCM 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 is in the DVD-Video specification so I don't know why it's such a crazy idea that some might be able to play it.

[Music Fan]

Well, that was a way to say about the same as me in three times the amount of words... :-)
:D
Yes, but i like to be complete.:p

[Music Fan]

The actual LPCM 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 is in the DVD-Video specification
Actually, I believe it was an idea evoked by the creators of the dvd-video format, but I have never seen any dvd-video player that can manage it, and I don't know any authoring program that can create it.
So I guess this idea was abandoned but leaved in the documentation, wich creates so much confusion for years on several forums.

[Music Fan]

And let's be logical : why would the dvd-audio have been invented if dvd-video could do the job ? Only to add the MLP compression ?
If someone managed to create and play a dvd-video with uncompressed 5.1 PCM, we would know that.

[Midzuki]

DragonQ wrote:

My parents' really old player from ~1998 has 6 channel analogue output and it definitely doesn't play DVD-Audio.

My 6-year-old LG has 6 analogue audio outputs (besides 2 analog outputs for plain/downmixed stereo, plus 2 SPDIF outputs), and definitely is not a DVD-Audio player either.

Music Fan asked:

And let's be logical : why would the dvd-audio have been invented if dvd-video could do the job ? Only to add the MLP compression ?

Yes. :)
And more importantly, the CPPM thing and the beloved watermarks as well. :D

[Music Fan]

Does it mean that you believe dvd-video can play PCM 5.1 if it's not protected by CPPM and Watermark ?