DVD-Audio ripper

[raquete]

clarifications about my 3 players:
all have 5.1 analogs outputs(RCA) and (more) stereo( RCA L&R) outputs, coaxial and toslink.
the 5.1 analogs only works only when playing AC3-5.1 because have 'Dolby digital 5.1 ch, decoder built in'.
if i play for example DTS-5.1, this 5.1 analogs don't work. is needed to use coaxial or toslink.
..no HDMI...i need a new player.

ah..a classical dvd-video architecture to burn?
ok then to burn dvd-video, first i need to author the multichannel wave ...
but what program can author 5.1 multichannel waves ?!? :confused:
muxman? (i know a long time and is cool but i never did multichannels waves to burn in dvd-video structure)

thanks.

edit: hey Mid,
thanks.
i only saw your post after my questions here.

[Music Fan]

the 5.1 analogs only works only when playing AC3-5.1 because have 'Dolby digital 5.1 ch, decoder built in'.
if i play for example DTS-5.1, this 5.1 analogs don't work.
This is normal, but it should work with 5.1 LPCM which doesn't need decoder.
Don't forget that ac3, Dts and all other compressed formats are decompressed in LPCM before the N/A conversion.
It means that all players handle 5.1 LPCM because they need it for the N/A conversion.
Actually, with 5.1 LPCM, there is even a step less compared to ac3 5.1 : no need to decompress ac3 in LPCM, it's already in LPCM.


but what program can author 5.1 multichannel waves ?!? :confused:
muxman?
Yes, you can try it with the free version.
If you don't have a 5.1 LPCM wave, you can test with ac3 or Dts 5.1 that you convert (decompress) in 16/48 5.1 LPCM (with BeSweet, Belight, eac3to, ...).
Then you import the multichannel wave in Muxman, but you have to add an image (bmp in 720.480 or 720.576) and enter its duration (the same than the wave). If he doesn't ask the duration, he asks the total number of frames (25 fps in PAL), I don't remember, you will see.

[Music Fan]

Anyway, I have to add that there is better than this way to put multichannel LPCM on dvd : AVCHD. But you need a Blu-ray player to play this.
AVCHD is better because it's easier to author (with MultiAVCHD) and you can put 96/24 5.1 LPCM ! It works on my Panasonic BD35.
I think we can even go up to 192/24 in 7.1 (not 100% certain).

[raquete]

This is normal, but it should work with 5.1 LPCM which doesn't need decoder.
Don't forget that ac3, Dts and all other compressed formats are decompressed in LPCM before the N/A conversion.
It means that all players handle 5.1 LPCM because they need it for the N/A conversion.
Actually, with 5.1 LPCM, there is even a step less compared to ac3 5.1 : no need to decompress ac3 in LPCM, it's already in LPCM. all right but think with me: seems redundance but follow...
this outputs works sending 5.1 LPCM only when have AC3 because the 'built in' AC3 decoder 'decode' the AC3 and send the LPCM to this analogs outputs. When another 'format' is in the AC3 'built in' decoder, the ouput of this decoder mess the signal because only decode AC3, not others formats.
it's a AC3 decoder buitl in only, not for others formats.(a pity).
others users had told me seamless like you some months ago but i got messeds results...
if i good remember seems that i have all channels summeds in the left channel only, i'm not sure now. but in the 3 players happens exactly the same.

Yes, you can try it with the free version.
If you don't have a 5.1 LPCM wave, you can test with ac3 or Dts 5.1 that you convert (decompress) in 16/48 5.1 LPCM (with BeSweet, Belight, eac3to, ...).
Then you import the multichannel wave in Muxman, but you have to add an image (bmp in 720.480 or 720.576) and enter its duration (the same than the wave). If he doesn't ask the duration, he asks the total number of frames (25 fps in PAL), I don't remember, you will see. ok, i know and use muxman in 'guifordvdauthor', cool program for stereo LPCM and AC3 musics videos and used in the past encoding video, muxman is very nice.
i can do 'my own' 5.1 upmix for tests.

Anyway, I have to add that there is better than this way to put multichannel LPCM on dvd : AVCHD. But you need a Blu-ray player to play this.
AVCHD is better because it's easier to author (with MultiAVCHD) and you can put 96/24 5.1 LPCM ! It works on my Panasonic BD35.
I think we can even go up to 192/24 in 7.1 (not 100% certain). seems cool but no Blu-Ray around. :-(
i need to work inside my boreds limitations.

thank you Music Fan!

[Music Fan]

this outputs works sending 5.1 LPCM only when have AC3 because the 'built in' AC3 decoder 'decode' the AC3 and send the LPCM to this analogs outputs. When another 'format' is in the AC3 'built in' decoder, the ouput of this decoder mess the signal because only decode AC3, not others formats.
How can you be sure of that if you didn't test it ?
And why do my player accept it ? Its manual doesn't mention it, but it works anyway.

[raquete]

How can you be sure of that if you didn't test it ?
And why do my player accept it ? Its manual doesn't mention it, but it works anyway.
i'm not completely sure if works, see my old post here: others users had told me seamless like you some months ago but i got messeds results...
if i good remember seems that i have all channels summeds in the left channel only, i'm not sure now. but in the 3 players happens exactly the same.
but i don't remember in what format was burned the multichannels...maybe as ISO, i'm not sure. :confused:
i need to try with muxman and burn as you told to hear what happens.
your player is capable because is new and mine 3 are olders, more than 3 to 5 years old.
features between players change from label to label and model to model.
the manual of each of my players tell about this 5.1 analogs outputs working with AC3 only, how to use and plug, no deep details and nothing about other format.
i will do a new test using muxman and maybe i have better luck.

cheers!

[spacekiller]

Hi guys, I studied these very long discussion along the last days, because I got some DVD-Audios last. I own an ONKYO DV-S757 player for about 10 years, but never had a DVD-A to tryout these function (lol).
At first I want to say sorry, if my english is not correct and fully understandable, because I'm a German.
Now to my experiences with these DVD-A's.
I have four DVD-A's for my experiements: LA Women - Doors; A Night At The Opera - Queen; Greendale - Neil Young; Shaman - Santana - every disc seems to be very different from the other.
I ripped them with DVDFab 7 - burned the Doors and put it in the ONKYO - it plays but watermark hits back after 30s and the player stops (as well known here). I tried to rip with clone-mode, with and without original IFO - no difference. All DVD's played in a DVD-Video-only player (HDD-recorder), but only the DVD-Section of course.
Because I read about different players in this thread, that don't care about watermarks, my ONKYO is about 10 years old and a BluRay-player also would be a nice thing, I decided to buy a new one. Now I own an OPPO BDP 83 - and so I have good news for all DVD-A fans - the player has NO watermark dedection!!! And it is a fine DVD- and BluRay-player too.
The Doors-DVD-A copies work very well. Now i did the same with the GREENDALE - clone-mode - and nothing happens! ROOT MENU appears in the display but no picture or sound. Now i tried out the rips with ShaPLAY, the Doors played well, but the GREENDALE not. ShaPLAY scans all the tracks for a second or so, but no track was played.
Now I tried another method to rip it with DVDFab - Full Disk with VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS option. After this I loaded them into NERO 7 and burned an image, mounted it with DEAMON and tried to play with ShaPLAY again. It works very fine! On this rip no DVDAUDIO.MKB is present! I burned it on DVD and it works well in the OPPO. Both of the other DVD-A's work with the DVDAUDIO.MKB present (clone-mode) like the Doors. Very strange this all.
I will keep trying on when I get more DVD-A's.
I hope, that some of my experiences are helpful for you.
At last a question from me, maybe someone have an advice. I've also tried to use my Creative Software DVD-A player for
playback the DVD-A's on PC. But this damned prog didn't work at all - says an obscure CTRTheme.dll is missing (but this file is, where it have to be; update doesn't help) - everybody around knowing this problem?

[Music Fan]

Are you sure it's CTRTheme.dll and not CTTheme.dll ?
Look at this topic ;
http://forums.creative.com/t5/General/Help-Fatal-Error/m-p/91750

[Midzuki]

@ spacekiller:

so you tried ShaPLAY, but you didn't try Foobar2000 ??? :confused:

[spacekiller]

Are you sure it's CTRTheme.dll and not CTTheme.dll ?
Look at this topic ;
http://forums.creative.com/t5/General/Help-Fatal-Error/m-p/91750

Yes, I mean the CTTheme.dll (wrong keystroke :devil:).

Thanks for this advice, but I know this thread, doesn't help.

[spacekiller]

@ spacekiller:

so you tried ShaPLAY, but you didn't try Foobar2000 ??? :confused:

Not yet. Now I downloaded it, but I see nothing to play a DVD-A (maybe I'm blind :)).
In ShaPLAY I open an IFO and the play starts if the rip is ok. It's very simple, isn't it?

[Midzuki]

Now I downloaded it, but I see nothing to play a DVD-A (maybe I'm blind :)).

You're not blind of course,
you're just exceedingly uninformed. :)

Download the required plugin from:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvdadecoder/

See the discussion @:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1160148

Have fun!

In ShaPLAY I open an IFO and the play starts if the rip is ok. It's very simple, isn't it?

ShaPLAY hasn't been updated since the middle of 2009.
This wouldn't be a problem, IF the creation of Shadson
didn't desperately need some major tweaks and fixes.

[spacekiller]

You're not blind of course,
you're just exceedingly uninformed. :)

Puh..., what luck, I'm not blind.:cool:

I've got it and it works well! :thanks:

[shawnyeung]

Awesome! Great news!

[rica]

Guys, i need a working link to DVDAExplorer?

[setarip_old]

@rica

Hi!

Have you searched for "DVD Audio Explorer" instead?

[Midzuki]

Guys, i need a working link to DVDAExplorer?

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVD-Audio_Explorer

[rica]

Thanks guys :thanks:

[setarip_old]

Thanks guys

Glad to hear you found it ;>}

[dude2012]

Does anyone have a copy and would be willing to share? Can't find it anywhere, and although I understand that DVDAE incorporates it, I've read in some places that the standalone utility can work better with some discs. Am having problems backing up a Bach Organ disc.

[Brazil2]

Does anyone have a copy and would be willing to share? Can't find it anywhere, and although I understand that DVDAE incorporates it, I've read in some places that the standalone utility can work better with some discs. Am having problems backing up a Bach Organ disc.
Tool from this post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1027108#post1027108

Download:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=47325824214796483761

[dude2012]

Tool from this post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1027108#post1027108

Download:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=47325824214796483761


Muito obrigado!