DVD-Audio ripper

[rasth]

Pitou, this is what it should look like. Frequencies out into the 40KHz range. No brickwall filter to deaden the sound.

This JPG is an analysis from the "Halloween" DVD-A by Frank Zappa .

I am using PPCM ripper and WinDVD6 to downmix the 96KHz 5.1 mix to stereo.

[Jack'n'xbox]

Dose anyone know where to find it?

[VintageGold]

Dose anyone know where to find it?

I'm w/ Jack on this one. I've searched all over the Rarewares site and I can't find this program. I'd love to check it out, but maybe the link was removed or something. :scared:

[darkedgex]

I'm w/ Jack on this one. I've searched all over the Rarewares site and I can't find this program. I'd love to check it out, but maybe the link was removed or something. :scared:
It was removed by the site admin-- look at the first three pages of this thread, the admin announced he was taking it down due to a legal threat. I'm sure it's up elsewhere tho, but regrettably I didn't download it (I figured after DeCSS, etc. that we'd not have to deal with takedown attempts like that, I was wrong and should have archived it).

Having said that. :P If anyone has links to the original files from Rarewares, please post (unless it's against the rules or something of course).

[rasth]

If anyone has links to the original files from Rarewares, please post (unless it's against the rules or something of course).

message #56 in this thread has a link that is still working the last time I checked.

[grill]

Concerning single layer try the good old Stomp RecordNow Max 4.5 for burning Audio_ts and/or Video_ts. I could not make a perfect copy of the DVDA Barenboim-Beethoven Symphony No.9 with Gear Pro 7 (there was a menu problem). Here's some info about the discs I own:

Teldec 8573-82041-9: Ton Koopman-Organ Spectacular (SL): CPPM + watermark in all tracks except for tracks 3 and 11 (interestingly, track 7 contains watermark only at the end);

Teldec 3984-24489-9 (SL): Nikolaus Harnoncourt-Johann Strauss in Berlin: CPPM + watermark in all tracks;

Teldec 8573-83063-9 (SL): Daniel Barenboim-Beethoven Symphony No.9: CPPM + no watermark;

Gramy GR-039-DVDA (DL): Djabe-Sheafs are Dancing: no copy protection (curiously, Gear and Stomp softwares refuse the Audio_ts (<4.4 Gb) to be written onto singe layer). The disc is highly designed with an exceptionally complex menu and extra features.

[cold_realms]

Anyone know how the multi-channel tracks are named? when I try to split the 5.1 into seperate waves (to insert them into a DTS-CD encoder) it just names the tracks xxxxxxx-0.wav ~ xxxxxxx-5.wav. Which one is lf,c,rf,rr,rl,lfe?

[cold_realms]

Ok I got it. Incase anyone needs the information.

0: Lf
1: Rf
2: C
3: LFE
4: Ls
5: Rs

[Vecter]

Ok, I'm a newbie to the DVD-A world, and even though I've been in the DVD-V world for a while, I haven't done anything too complicated w/ it... so if this sounds dumb, feel free to tell me kindly instead of a flame.

Just looking at the way that WinDVD blocks DVD-Audio on unencrypted/watermarked discs, it'd be safe to assume that most hardware players are working on the same idea right? (The Watermark is just a simple signal, it's either "on" or "off"... if it's "on", then the disc needs to be encrypted)

So why not re-encrypt the disc when writing it? I don't know how the new DVD-A encryption works... but I imagine if we can decrypt it, we can encrypt it.

Just a thought...

[rasth]

So why not re-encrypt the disc when writing it? I don't know how the new DVD-A encryption works... but I imagine if we can decrypt it, we can encrypt it.

Just a thought...

That's a good idea. It would require reading the unique ID code on each DVD_R that gets burned, then creating a correct \AUDIO_TS\DVDAUDIO.MKB file that the player reads and verifies.

Somebody who is talented at writing keygens could probably get it done, but it's way beyond my abilities.

[fmak]

[QUOTE=ron spencer]the audio world is a-buzz!!!!

[url]http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?
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Yes, many are lamenting the removal of dvda from WinDVD7.

Seriously, I am truly puzzled by PPCMRipper and how it works with WinDVD6. This is supposed to support 24/96 only, but plays 24/192k discs perfectly! This is even though the sound card is only 24/96.
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Is WinDVD6 downsampling? The rips have the size of 24/192 and both Foobar and Windows report 192k. Audition 1.5 also confirms this. But how can they be played thru a 24/96 USB dac?

Please explain what is going on?????????? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[SeeMoreDigital]

the audio world is a-buzz!!!!

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?

Do you mean this link (http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=14550899)?

Cheers

[fmak]

Do you mean this link (http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=14550899)?

Cheers
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Yes, although I see little point in using DVDARipper if the interest is only audio. :(

[rasth]

Is WinDVD6 downsampling? The rips have the size of 24/192 and both Foobar and Windows report 192k. Audition 1.5 also confirms this. But how can they be played thru a 24/96 USB dac?

Please explain what is going on?????????? :confused: :confused: :confused:

The data is coming through at 192K to your PC. Your soundcard is downsampling to 96K

[rasth]

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Yes, although I see little point in using DVDARipper if the interest is only audio. :(


??? you lost me here. You don't see the point in moving individual songs from a one disc format to a PC? ...or the possibility of making compilation discs in a hi-resolution format?
???

[fmak]

??? you lost me here. You don't see the point in moving individual songs from a one disc format to a PC? ...or the possibility of making compilation discs in a hi-resolution format?
???
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DAVDas have little video content PPCMRipper does an excellent rip to wav, which can be played by all manners of players. If a DVDV is needed, other much easier software is available like DVDCreator. :)

[fmak]

The data is coming through at 192K to your PC. Your soundcard is downsampling to 96K
-----------------------------------------------------------------The M Audio USB is not supposed to be able to handle 192k or downsample. More likely downsampling is happening somewhere else. Is this probable?

[georgieboy]

So how do you use these applications? I'm not very technical and the DVDA Explorer seems obvious enough. Once I have the MLP file what then?

George

[bonschen]

thx, thx, thx,
for info and dvd-a tools.

i captured the "blue man group - complex" dvd-audio with win dvd and encodet
the six *.wav files (96 KHz 24 Bit) to mlp and i became a watermarked free mlp.
after this, i authored a dvd-audio with discwelder chrome.
perfect.

[drpaulng]

thx, thx, thx,
for info and dvd-a tools.

i captured the "blue man group - complex" dvd-audio with win dvd and encodet
the six *.wav files (96 KHz 24 Bit) to mlp and i became a watermarked free mlp.
after this, i authored a dvd-audio with discwelder chrome.
perfect.

True?
I am wondering if the BMG - complex DVD-Audio contains any audio-watermark at all since the beginning of production. I think the watermark is not ready to be gotten rid of with all kinds of renderings including up- or down-sampling or with any VTS or DirectX effects.

The DTS Entertainment DVD-Audio discs are generally without watermarking.

[bonschen]

hm, confused. http://home.arcor.de/shockshit/bonschen/smily/a090.gif

yes, right.
the dvd-a with watermarked string was another (john williams - a.i.)


when i copy the audio_ts & video_ts folder from the BMG - Complex to HD
and burn the files on a dvd 9, have i a full funktional copy of the BMG - Complex ?

[drpaulng]

I think so. I have never experimented with double-layer DVD burning...so you may try and tell us. So, did you successfully burn any standalone player version of wartermarked modification with DiscWelder? It seems there is no software to detect audio watermark right now. Any idea?

[bonschen]

watermarked dvd-audio !

when i use the ppcm ripper with orig. dvd-a i become a 2ch wav.
6ch dont work.
and when i make a copy with dvd-a ripper, the windvd standig still after 32 sec.
but i find a way, to capture 6ch wav from watermarked dvd-a!

my way,
i use dvd-a ripper,-> i make a iso,-> mount with alcohol und safe the mlp 6ch
with dvd-a explorer.
after this, i have 6ch mlp with watermarked string. i play the mlp with
-> creative media source and recorded this.(option record synchron and record peak check level) i play the record button and the musik play&rec. automatic.

after this, i have a 6ch wav 96000Hz 24bit but the header is not good.
i play the wav with winamp and i use the "disk writer" plug-in with option,
output file mode: force wav file. !!! do not check "convert to format"

after this, i have a superb 6ch wav and i import this in "steinberg nuendo"
i have a audigy platinum and use the audigy 24/96 asio driver.
i save the 6monos and convert this with,-> minnetonka mlp encoder to
-> watermarked free 6ch mlp. :cool:

[drpaulng]

watermarked dvd-audio !

when i use the ppcm ripper with orig. dvd-a i become a 2ch wav.
6ch dont work.
and when i make a copy with dvd-a ripper, the windvd standig still after 32 sec.
but i find a way, to capture 6ch wav from watermarked dvd-a!

my way,
i use dvd-a ripper,-> i make a iso,-> mount with alcohol und safe the mlp 6ch
with dvd-a explorer.
after this, i have 6ch mlp with watermarked string. i play the mlp with
-> creative media source and recorded this.(option record synchron and record peak check level) i play the record button and the musik play&rec. automatic.

after this, i have a 6ch wav 96000Hz 24bit but the header is not good.
i play the wav with winamp and i use the "disk writer" plug-in with option,
output file mode: force wav file. !!! do not check "convert to format"

after this, i have a superb 6ch wav and i import this in "steinberg nuendo"
i have a audigy platinum and use the audigy 24/96 asio driver.
i save the 6monos and convert this with,-> minnetonka mlp encoder to
-> watermarked free 6ch mlp. :cool:

In order to rip the 6 wav files by ppcm ripper, you need to pre-set WinDVD in 6 channel mode (not stereo mode). However, your way is interesting. It seems you routed the 6 wav files by re-recording it rather than ripping it. But I am a little skeptical on your method because the audio water is supposed to be "robust" and thus resistant to DA-AD conversion, up- or down-sampling as well as mp3 conversion. If your re-recording method can rip off and audio watermark without deteriorating the sound quality, then everybody should follow your method or somebody should write a small program to do it straight.

[bonschen]

In order to rip the 6 wav files by ppcm ripper, you need to pre-set WinDVD in 6 channel mode (not stereo mode)

yes, with watermark free dvd-a. testet with advd-a ripper iso "bmg - complex".

dont work with a watermark dvd-a. with the original dvd-a, i can capture
with ppcm ripper only in 2ch mode. (windvd preferences is 6ch mode)
and with a dvd-a ripper iso, the dvd-a iso standing still after 32 seconds.

quote from ppcmripper "readme"

5. Only stereo (original or downmix) can be captured from CSS/CPPM-protected discs.
That is the feature of WinDVD Player. For multichannel capture decrypt disc first.


ok, my way is not perfect.
the a.i. dvd-a has a 88200Hz sample rate and i recorded in 92000
and winamp & steinberg nuendo says 92000Hz 24bit 6ch.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5643/smaprate4ph.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[drpaulng]

So, you should make sure you rip a watermarked track and re-record it and then encode it with surcode mlp. Make a multi-channel dvd-a disc with Discwelder and burn it to a DVD-R (or DVD-RW to save research fee). Place it in a standalone DVD-A player to test for the audio-watermark resistance to your manipulation.

[bonschen]

sorry, i dont have a standalone dvd-a player. :-(
have you a link for a low price dvd-a player?

ok, i authored a dvd-a with discwelder chrome.
when i played the dvd-a with my encodet mlp's, the dvd-a standing still at 32 seconds.

when i played with power dvd the disc run's, and the dvd-a ripped iso works too.
i dont know? any idea?

i have win dvd 5.3 b 02 022 and when i make a update to 6 or 7,
i have in the preferenses 2ch, not more. http://home.arcor.de/shockshit/bonschen/smily/c024.gif

[drpaulng]

Well, maybe as instructed, you cannot rip the DVD-A properly when you have already installed the CREATIVE AUDIGY2 SOUND CARD. To my best knowledge, if de-watermarking is that easy, the author of dvdaripper should have announce the method himself. I think the watermark should still be embedded within your audio track in any format (wma/mp3/wav/ogg...anything you say). You might be interested in buying a second hand DVD-A player at about half-price, for example, a PIONEER. Anyway, the best for now is to build a meida center just like the microsoft-intel joint product. The next generation HD-DVD player would be a multi-media small computer rather than a standalone player. But as a Gold-standard reference, you should experiment with your method and put it to the test with a standalone player.

[Qjimbo]

Some people were saying earlier in this thread how 44.1Khz is full quality anyway since we can't hear higher than about 22.05kHz. However, what you have to remember, is that having a 22.05kHz pitch sound in a 44.1kHz sample rate file will be stored as a triangle wave, being full on the first sample, and negative full on the second sample. Meaning high frequencies have no detail to them.

However at 96kHz, a 22.05kHz wave would be stored more accuratly. It's very audiophiley I know, and the sales of LPs are outsellfing SACD and DVDA combined because people don't really care about the quality, but it's still good stuff to know. Also the supposed "analog warmth" is apparently inaudible high frequencies.

[CWR03]

You should do some more reading on this subject, and maybe some sampling of audio - the 44.1/22.05 isn't khz, it's kb/s, a datarate, which significantly affects the quality of an encoded file.

Edit: Never mind, I got them backwards, sorry. Even so, a 96 kb/s 22.05khz file won't reproduce great audio.

[KpeX]

You should do some more reading on this subject, and maybe some sampling of audio - the 44.1/22.05 isn't khz, it's kb/s, a datarate, which significantly affects the quality of an encoded file. Actually 44.1 is the sampling rate, and the unit is kHz. What Qjimbo is referring to is the nyquist frequency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_frequency), i.e. the max frequency that can be produced from a given sample is half the sampling rate. Even for cd-audio the nyquist frequency is much above the average human's hearing range, which is why many doubt the benefits of DVD-A/SACD/etc. You may want to do some reading on hydrogenaudio.org, there are many discussions there about the benefits of higher sampling rates / bit depths.

[mimungr]

However, what you have to remember, is that having a 22.05kHz pitch sound in a 44.1kHz sample rate file will be stored as a triangle wave, being full on the first sample, and negative full on the second sample. Meaning high frequencies have no detail to them.

This is false. A 44.1 kHz digital signal can perfectly reproduce all frequencies below 22.05 kHz; this was proven by Harry Nyquist. The error is introduced by quantization, not sampling.

The flaw in your example is that the output of the DAC is fed through a 22.05 kHz lowpass filter. Since all the harmonics in your triangle wave are above 22.05 kHz, they are filtered out and just a pure 22.05 kHz sine wave remains.

Google for Nyquist. There are many detailed explanations available.

[meilin]

Which file to download from rarewares?

[Qjimbo]

This is false. A 44.1 kHz digital signal can perfectly reproduce all frequencies below 22.05 kHz; this was proven by Harry Nyquist. The error is introduced by quantization, not sampling.

The flaw in your example is that the output of the DAC is fed through a 22.05 kHz lowpass filter. Since all the harmonics in your triangle wave are above 22.05 kHz, they are filtered out and just a pure 22.05 kHz sine wave remains.

Google for Nyquist. There are many detailed explanations available.
Oooh now I understand, thanks for the info! :)

EDIT: Anyone noticed how this has like totally dissapeared? Searching google for anything related to DVD Audio ripping brings up loads of sites with software that rips the audio from DVD-Video discs ¬_¬ It's like a conspiricy =/

[bonschen]

ok, i have a dvd-a player (pioneer dv-668 av) :-)

first:
i copy the 6ch *.mlp from the blue man group - complex
with watermark free dvd to hd, and authored with chrome a new dvd.
the dvd works fine.

second:
i authored a dvd with the recorded and converted *.mlp's
from the watermarked dvd-a john williams - A.I.
the dvd dont work. after 30 seconds, the dvd-a standing still.

what a fu**ing copyprotection is this. :angry:
the next test comes. i play with a standalone dvd-a player
and record directly with steinberg nuendo, maybe works this, i hope. :D

[kinjamin]

Any ideas on Metallicas Black DVDAudio album to DVD?

[Digga]

Which file to download from rarewares?the files at rarewares are long gone. you'll have a hard time finding it on the web, your best bet might be some other forums etc.

[j_olson]

The old Felten paper on Verance Watermark removal from 2001:

http://www.usenix.org/events/sec01/craver.pdf

[xypher]

Sorry, but eMule network is closed down. Is there anyone who can help with these 3 programs? dvdaexplorer ppcmripper dvdaripper. Please send me a PM or a link . Hate to grovel.

[setarip_old]

@xypher

Hi!

What kind of help are you seeking regarding those three programs?

[NobodyHome]

Is it possible to use any of these tools to take audio from a DVD-Audio disk and put it into a format that can be played on a regular CD player?

[calinb]

Is it possible to use any of these tools to take audio from a DVD-Audio disk and put it into a format that can be played on a regular CD player?Sure--you just have to resample the wav files to 44.1kHz and burn a CD. Most DVD-A discs contain tracks that play on conventional DVD video players too.

[frank]

Vive la France!
http://lexiqueduson.superforum.fr/ftopic28.Ripper-un-DVD-Audio.htm

[kinjamin]

Sure--you just have to resample the wav files to 44.1kHz and burn a CD. Most DVD-A discs contain tracks that play on conventional DVD video players too.

Yep just managed to backup my matellica Black DVD audio. One non DVD players it plays fine. On DVD audio players it stops after 30 seconds. My play Linn unidisc checks for watermarking.

I have found though even if you rip the Wavs from DVD ripper tool you can play these wavs using Jet audio a 500mb+ wav will work fine. Windows media player 9.0 does not support this type of file.

[Blue_MiSfit]

Well I'm exhuming the proverbial dead horse from its grave. Where can these programs be found nowadays that they're not on rarewares or any p2p that I can find?? I've got a nice DVD-A of The Grateful Dead - American Beauty that I would like to convert to

A) 5.1 24/96 FLAC for my PC and Sennheiser HD580 cans :)
B) 2.0 16/44 ALAC for my iPod!

If anyone has a recent copy of these hard to find apps, point me in their direction? Thanks!
~MiSfit

[Blue_MiSfit]

Got it working. Love it! Thanks all!

[gfxnow]

Is this method still working? I have recently seen a lot of DVD-A on forums and some torrents, does anyone know if there's a new way to rip DVD-Audio or what?

[abcx]

Is this method still working? I have recently seen a lot of DVD-A on forums and some torrents, does anyone know if there's a new way to rip DVD-Audio or what?Yes, this method is still working.

[blutach]

@gfxnow - I might remind you that we provide no help to people with torrents. I know your post said nothing about you doing this, but just be a bit careful about it. See rule 6.

And, welcome to doom9!

Regards

[AK_RAGE]

I am curious if the people who have ripped DVD-Audio disks using this method are using a Creative Audigy sound card for playback.

I know that the unripped encrypted, watermarked DVD-Audio disks do require the Audigy to play. But is it possible to rip and playback unencrypted copies using a different sound card?

I just bought a new Onkyo SE-200 sound card and don't want to "upgrade." : p

I am trying to figure out if ripping the DVD-Audio will allow me to play it (the card will support 24bit/192Khz 2 channel and 24/96 7.1 channel).

Cheers!
akrage