Redfox (AnyDVD et all) appears to be gone

[coopervid]

Allright my first lengthy posting worked out now, sending PMs still seems to be blocked.
I'll try to increase my Posting count. ;)

I received 2 PM's from you. So issue seems to be resolved.

[Kju]

Would it be ok for you to send me your source code so that I can see where I took a wrong turn? :)

As a big open source fan, I'm good with that. What steps are you particularly interested in? My code is mostly a mess because i've done a lot of testing. Maybe I'll do some code cleanup this weekend and post a complete example on Github.


[...] however IMHO it made validating an unprotected rip more or less impossible.

(Of course, you could make a protected rip first, test it and then make an unprotected rip, but that's a lot of extra-work and it still leaves a very slight risk of data corruption going unnoticed ...)

AnyDVD validates the content even in an unprotected rip, so this workaround isn't necessary for AnyDVD. However, for Xreveal you have to do that.

But if you want to check your rips later, it's not that easy. That's why I save a md5 hash with all my ISOs. Also everything is stored on a filesystem with builtin checksums.



Yep, that's something I've been trying to achieve in the past weeks as well.
Hopefully a solution can be found in the not so distant future!

Well, there isn't much we can do. Actually it's even worse, because you can't just skip those MPEG Transport packets with embedded CCI. You need to skip the rest of the Aligned Unit from that point. Everything that comes after the changed part doesn't transform into the original ciphertext, due to how AES-CBC works. After a short calculation that's up to 4-5% which can't be checked.

[jayper]

lol, I actually created a short program yesterday, which reencrypts the m2ts files and sets the encrypted bit. I used the keydb file to get the VUK. The process to decrypt and encrypt the m2ts is described in my linked pdf in post #273. Chapter 3.9 and 3.10.
The encrypted m2ts matches the original m2ts file from the protected disc, as long as the decrypted m2ts file was created by Xreveal or Makemkv.


That's exactly what I was trying to achieve as well in the last weeks.
Unfortunately it seems I did not manage to read this very pdf as carefully as you seem to have done. ;)


Just a heads up in case it is helpful to you two. The Xreveal author created applications to encrypt and decrypt. I posted this yesterday, but sharing in case it was missed:

We made two small utilities to encrypt/decrypt m2ts: https://www.xreveal.com/download/encrypt_m2ts.zip
If the disc contains more than more unit keys, you need to determine which one the right unit key. It can be determined by checking the first content hash of m2ts.

[Shinobi]

Just a heads up in case it is helpful to you two. The Xreveal author created applications to encrypt and decrypt. I posted this yesterday, but sharing in case it was missed:

Seen and already tested, thank you very much for pointing this out! :)

As a big open source fan, I'm good with that. What steps are you particularly interested in? My code is mostly a mess because i've done a lot of testing. Maybe I'll do some code cleanup this weekend and post a complete example on Github.

That would be awesome!
Honestly I don't know where exactly I messed up, so I'd really love to hava a look at a working code and see what's wrong. Maybe it's just a stupid little error, maybe it's the whole code. With this encryption/decryption stuff you never know how close you actually are as long as you haven't got it to work!

AnyDVD validates the content even in an unprotected rip, so this workaround isn't necessary for AnyDVD. However, for Xreveal you have to do that. Excellent to know!

But if you want to check your rips later, it's not that easy. That's why I save a md5 hash with all my ISOs. Also everything is stored on a filesystem with builtin checksums. Similar here. ;)

Well, there isn't much we can do. Actually it's even worse, because you can't just skip those MPEG Transport packets with embedded CCI. You need to skip the rest of the Aligned Unit from that point. Everything that comes after the changed part doesn't transform into the original ciphertext, due to how AES-CBC works. After a short calculation that's up to 4-5% which can't be checked.

The way I see it there must be a way to identify these MPEG Transport packets, fix the CCI values and go on with it.
Otherwise it will indeed be impossible to validate anything after such a packet in an aligned unit!

[Shinobi]

I received 2 PM's from you. So issue seems to be resolved.

Now that's interesting as according to my profile I actually never sent any PMs at all (even though I did). :confused:

Now that it seems to be working, Could you be so kind and send me a PM with a bit more "content"? :)

[Kju]

Just a heads up in case it is helpful to you two. The Xreveal author created applications to encrypt and decrypt. I posted this yesterday, but sharing in case it was missed:

Yes, I saw that. But it only encrypt and decrypt m2ts files. And it looks like you have to supply the Unit Keys (there can be many different Unit Keys in one Blu-ray) and they need do be decrypted already. And it's closed source, so it's difficult to use in your own projects. :)

My script reads the complete Unit_Key_RO.inf file and automatically selects the correct Unit Key for each file and decrypts it by using the VUK. After that it iterates over the available m2ts files and encrypt or decrypt the files sector by sector. That allows me to compare the data with the hash from the hash table without saving the encrypted m2ts file again.

After writing about it, I think, I will complete the program with automatically getting VUK from keydb file and do the actual hash comparison (haven't implemented that yet). I still don't know, if I need this script, because I can't check AnyDVD dumps with it, but it was a fun side project until know and I learned a lot about AACS. :)

[Kju]

The way I see it there must be a way to identify these MPEG Transport packets, fix the CCI values and go on with it.
Otherwise it will indeed be impossible to validate anything after such a packet in an aligned unit!

I don't know, if this is possible. I was trying exactly the same. This is a hex diff of one MPEG Transport packet with embedded CCI:

< 000000d0: 00f0 01f0 0c05 0448 444d 5688 040f fffc .......HDMV.....
---
> 000000d0: 00f0 01f0 0c05 0448 444d 5688 040f ffff .......HDMV.....
16c16
< 000000f0: 82f1 00f0 00fc 1824 9aff ffff ffff ffff .......$........
---
> 000000f0: 82f1 00f0 00ec 5ee1 3bff ffff ffff ffff ......^.;.......


The first change is just the changed CCI flag: 00 vs 11.
The second change is a bit more complex and I don't think it will be possible to revert that change. But I haven't been able to decode the data yet, so maybe it's possible to guess how the original data might have looked like. Then you could try to validate a few guessed variations and if the hash matches, you found the original data. But that is only feasible if there aren't many possible variations... And I highly doubt that this is the case.

[Shinobi]

Hopefully with sufficient data, patterns emerge and it will be possible to undo these changes.

Also these changes have a specific reason and - if I understand this correctly - influence the behavior of the software playing these files.
So this should give additional leverage to finding a solution as well. ;)

We'll see ... :)

[coopervid]

Now that's interesting as according to my profile I actually never sent any PMs at all (even though I did). :confused:

Now that it seems to be working, Could you be so kind and send me a PM with a bit more "content"? :)
PM me.I don't know what kind of content you expect. My crystal ball seems to be dull. :)

[Shinobi]

Message sent, though I don't know if it worked.
I still cannot find any messages in my sent folder ...

[coopervid]

Message sent, though I don't know if it worked.
I still cannot find any messages in my sent folder ...

I replied.

[Shinobi]

Thank you very much, you should have a reply! :)

[coopervid]

Thank you very much, you should have a reply! :)
U2. Check and reply.

[coricopat]

Uhm... not sure if I got the above conversation right... is anyone working on an (opensource) Content Hash Table verifier? I would actually not mind if it would need the encrypted files.

[Shinobi]

Uhm... not sure if I got the above conversation right... is anyone working on an (opensource) Content Hash Table verifier? I would actually not mind if it would need the encrypted files.

If this is in regards to the PM thing, that's more or less just me trying to figure out how these boards work! ;)

Working on a sort of Content Hash Table verifier for an an unencrypted m2ts-files is a long term goal of mine, but given my spare time and my programming skills this won't be happening too soon I fear.

Others may be faster, though I don't know if it would be safe to publish this as open source? Can indeed all information be gathered from the official pdfs or is inside knowledge necessary to complete the task? I don't know.

[coricopat]

The algo is - from what I can see at a first glance - fully explained on page 22, ff. https://aacsla.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/AACS_Spec_BD_Prerecorded.921.pdf , but so far I've been too lazy to write a parser O:-)

I've never really looked into whether it would work or not, to check decrypted files - if the decryption is reversible (which I'd guess it should be) then probably yes.

[Kju]

Uhm... not sure if I got the above conversation right... is anyone working on an (opensource) Content Hash Table verifier? I would actually not mind if it would need the encrypted files.

Yeah, I think I'll do that. My prototype is already working as I mentioned a few days ago. Since it's only an implementation of a part of the AACS algorithm, I don't see any problems to publish it.


I don't know, if this is possible. I was trying exactly the same. This is a hex diff of one MPEG Transport packet with embedded CCI:

< 000000d0: 00f0 01f0 0c05 0448 444d 5688 040f fffc .......HDMV.....
---
> 000000d0: 00f0 01f0 0c05 0448 444d 5688 040f ffff .......HDMV.....
16c16
< 000000f0: 82f1 00f0 00fc 1824 9aff ffff ffff ffff .......$........
---
> 000000f0: 82f1 00f0 00ec 5ee1 3bff ffff ffff ffff ......^.;.......



I think the 4 changed Bytes at the end are the CRC32 of PSI. So actually only the CCI Flag/bit has been changed. I may be able to verify AnyDVD rips too.

[coricopat]

Yeah, I think I'll do that. My prototype is already working as I mentioned a few days ago. Since it's only an implementation of a part of the AACS algorithm, I don't see any problems to publish it.


Nice,... please tell, should you provide any source repo :-)

[magician]

Since first coming across this forum I have always relied on BlurayTestAndDecrypt (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173796) (aka BTAD) to test my protected ISO rips for issues due to disc errors, write corruption, bit flips, and other likely or unlikely causes. Thus far I believe it has never failed to identify a broken rip. Nevertheless, it is great to have available another easily accessible tool like Xreveal's Content Hash Verifier to do verification of encrypted units on Blu-rays, despite neither one being open source.

I usually use mode 2 "advanced test" or mode 6/7 "dump and test" of BTAD. I don't know if that does the same thing as the Xreveal utility but I know it's still early days for the latter and there may still be some bugs in there. So I very much support the work to build another tool with the potential to open source it later. Maybe one of you can reach out to @nalor for input since they seem to be quite familiar with these algorithms.

[Shinobi]

I think the 4 changed Bytes at the end are the CRC32 of PSI. So actually only the CCI Flag/bit has been changed. I may be able to verify AnyDVD rips too.

Awesome you've seemingly figured this out as well! Congrats! :)

I'm very much looking forward to reading your source code once it's finished!

[Kju]

Since first coming across this forum I have always relied on BlurayTestAndDecrypt (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173796) (aka BTAD) to test my protected ISO rips for issues due to disc errors, write corruption, bit flips, and other likely or unlikely causes. Thus far I believe it has never failed to identify a broken rip. Nevertheless, it is great to have available another easily accessible tool like Xreveal's Content Hash Verifier to do verification of encrypted units on Blu-rays, despite neither one being open source.

I usually use mode 2 "advanced test" or mode 6/7 "dump and test" of BTAD. I don't know if that does the same thing as the Xreveal utility but I know it's still early days for the latter and there may still be some bugs in there. So I very much support the work to build another tool with the potential to open source it later. Maybe one of you can reach out to @nalor for input since they seem to be quite familiar with these algorithms.
BlurayTestAndDecrypt works differently. I think it checks if the Sync Bytes of the Transport Stream Header are correctly set (every 192th byte). It doesn't validates the files against the Hashtable. I don't think it can reliably detect bit flips, because how AES-CBC decryption works. A changed Bit only changes a maximum of 32 Bytes in the decryption result. (16 Byte decryption, 16 Byte Xor) But it should detect sector errors, if the complete sector contains garbage. And I think this is the most common error.


Awesome you've seemingly figured this out as well! Congrats! :)

I'm very much looking forward to reading your source code once it's finished!
Yeah, took me way to long. I shouldn't look at hexdumps with a bottle of beer. It only took so long because I always overlooked adding 4 Bytes from the beginning when calculating the crc. :)

[Shinobi]

Yeah, took me way to long. I shouldn't look at hexdumps with a bottle of beer. It only took so long because I always overlooked adding 4 Bytes from the beginning when calculating the crc. :)

It's always these little things / oversights that take ages to puzzle out ... ;)

But if it makes you feel better: I probably wouldn't have figured out that CRC thing at all (or at least not that fast) even though I never drink at all. ;) :)

[nalor]

BlurayTestAndDecrypt works differently. I think it checks if the Sync Bytes of the Transport Stream Header are correctly set (every 192th byte). It doesn't validates the files against the Hashtable. I don't think it can reliably detect bit flips, because how AES-CBC decryption works. A changed Bit only changes a maximum of 32 Bytes in the decryption result. (16 Byte decryption, 16 Byte Xor) But it should detect sector errors, if the complete sector contains garbage. And I think this is the most common error.



Yeah, took me way to long. I shouldn't look at hexdumps with a bottle of beer. It only took so long because I always overlooked adding 4 Bytes from the beginning when calculating the crc. :)

But I started thinking and maybe I'll add the hashtable validation in addition (wasn't aware of this hashtable until the discussion here started :D )

[Kju]

But I started thinking and maybe I'll add the hashtable validation in addition (wasn't aware of this hashtable until the discussion here started :D )

That would be cool! :)


I'll need a bit more time to release my implementation. It's only a side project for fun and I have a few other more important tasks currently. :)

[rco133]

Hi.

Anyone know if Xreveal will also remove region lock on UHD discs?

AnyDVD didn't do that per default, but had a regkey that needed to be set for it to do it.

Yes, I know that UHD discs are not supposed to have region lock. But never the less there are quite a few discs in the wild, where studios by mistake, or for whatever reason, have made UHD discs with region lock.

Thanks in advance

rco133

[jayper]

Hi.

Anyone know if Xreveal will also remove region lock on UHD discs?

AnyDVD didn't do that per default, but had a regkey that needed to be set for it to do it.

Yes, I know that UHD discs are not supposed to have region lock. But never the less there are quite a few discs in the wild, where studios by mistake, or for whatever reason, have made UHD discs with region lock.

Thanks in advance

rco133
This was added in version 2.6.8: https://www.xreveal.com/news?id=81

[Shinobi]

Jeez, where has all the discussion gone in this thread?

I'll need a bit more time to release my implementation. It's only a side project for fun and I have a few other more important tasks currently. :)

Same with me when I'm doing a programming project. ;)
Do take your time, real life always comes first! :)

[SamuriHL]

Nothing more to this story. They're gone. And unlike all the stupid predictions they didn't come back under a new name and charge everyone more. They're gone.

Sent from my SM-S928U1 using Tapatalk

[infoxtreme]

for me on the DVD and BLURAY issue the only that can replace anydvd is dvdfab Passkey and for 4k disk makemkv is the king.

Now since what happened to AnyDVD, I imagine that they should sell the code to someone like DVDFab, MakeMKV, XReveal, or if no one wants it, why not release the source code for someone to continue with? Since it's been in development for many years. I think it's a shame, something that took so many years to disappear like this.

[ikarad]

for me on the DVD and BLURAY issue the only that can replace anydvd is dvdfab Passkey and for 4k disk makemkv is the king.

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xreveal doesn't work ?

[infoxtreme]

xreveal doesn't work ?


My opinion is that XReveal is not yet up to the level of AnyDVD and DVDFab, in terms of removing protections, it is good and could actually be a replacement in the future and I hope so, of course everyone needs to help by sending logs, AnyDVD and DVDFab have been around for several years, but that is just my opinion, by the way I am a paid user, AnyDVD, MakeMKV and now DVDFab, and I will definitely support XReveal.

[billqs]

So, I was using AnyDVD HD to process blu-rays and ran across the error that it could not check it's online database. This is the first time I've hit a BD that it could not decrypt since Redfox ended. I've downloaded the Anydvd database from 2020 and also the most recent keydb.cfg, but have had no luck.

What worries me is a dialogue box that says "You need to restart in order to finish setting up':F Pioneer [Friendly drive]'". I want to make sure my system is not trying to sneak in a firmware update that would brick the Pioneer drive for backing up my UHD blu-rays. Once beyond this I will look into XReveal to go along with my MakeMKV license. Just hoping drive is ok and not about to be overwritten.

[ikarad]

My opinion is that XReveal is not yet up to the level of AnyDVD and DVDFab, in terms of removing protections, it is good and could actually be a replacement in the future and I hope so, of course everyone needs to help by sending logs, AnyDVD and DVDFab have been around for several years, but that is just my opinion, by the way I am a paid user, AnyDVD, MakeMKV and now DVDFab, and I will definitely support XReveal.

The problem is that redfox seems dead and in a future more or less near, it's possible that anydvd won't works anymore.

It will stay xreveal or dvdfab.

[Jamie]

So, I was using AnyDVD HD to process blu-rays and ran across the error that it could not check it's online database. This is the first time I've hit a BD that it could not decrypt since Redfox ended. I've downloaded the Anydvd database from 2020 and also the most recent keydb.cfg, but have had no luck.


For brand new Blueray disks redfox used their own online key database ODB. Only UHD disks used the keydb.cfg file. You may have been lucky and the bluray disks you ripped before today were stored in anydvd

xreveal has been working well for me so far. I try to avoid dvdfab because it seems way too expensive to me and their multiple different versions seem too confusing. I did use passkey the last time anydvd was taken down. passkey at that time couldn't decrypt some of my disks and I was happy when redfox came online again

[kurkosdr]

For brand new Blueray disks redfox used their own online key database ODB.
Is there a way to use a local key database with AnyDVD HD?

[billqs]

I downloaded xreveal and it removed AACS but not screen pass protection. This led Handbrake to see 310 playlists all with the running time of the movie. I retried it with Ripbot 264 and it apparently recognized the correct playlist and I was able to rip it to save. This is odd as all this effort was made for a BD of a movie from the 1940s that airs all the time. I will have to test what came out of Ripbot to see if it is correct.

[jayper]

Is there a way to use a local key database with AnyDVD HD?
IIRC, AnyDVD will use the keydb file for UHDs but not BDs.

[SamuriHL]

Correct. This is why I've said repeatedly that AnyDVD has a shelf life. It'll work for UHD as long as you have an updated KeyDB.cfg but it will not do anything for you with new BD's. it MAY continue to work while the current MKB isn't changed but it may not.

[GiorgioV]

Like all of you, I'm a Redfox orphan. Namely, I've been using AnyDVD(HD) for over a decade, purchased two lifetime licenses, etc... I used to rip the occasional video Blu-ray but, most of all, to rip the hi-res/surround audio from Blu-ray discs, both audio and video.
I keep reading here and there suggestions of DVDFab Passkey as a valid replacement and I beg to differ. Here's my experience with those guys.

Without first testing the software (I'll admit that was very stupid of me, but I never had a single issue with AnyDVD so that probably made me careless), in the aftermath of Redfox's disappearance I purchased a DVDFab Passkey lifetime license. Well, the very first Blu-ray I tested it with (SDE's Wham! 'Make it big'), it wouldn't load. Reading error.

I contacted their customer 'service', who gave me the usual series of questions/tests that never solve a thing. Then they asked me to send me a series of files from the disc. And the waiting started.
Meanwhile, I could see that MakeMKV (for which I purchased a license a lifetime ago) could load that very same disc without any issue whatsoever.
Later on, I decided to buy the Xreveal Pro license. Surprise! Xreveal could also read that Wham! disc.

So I got in touch with DVDFab customer 'service' again, informed them about my findings, and, with the occasion, I also told them that Passkey could not read two more recently released blu-ray discs that I had meanwhile purchased: Fish 'Vigil in a wilderness of mirrors' and 'Internal exile'. But, guess what?, Xreveal and MakeMKV could read those too. No issue. Again. So I send them the files from those two discs too.

Time has passed (I'm talking months); Passkey has had several new releases but those three discs remain unreadable by that junk software. And hear this: when I tried to ask DVDFab for an update on my ticket I found out that... I could not! Somehow they had blocked the 'reply' feature within my still pending ticket. I made sure of that since I tried with other PCs / browsers. Now, that was a stroke of genius. I was officially baffled.
What I did was to open a new ticket (I know, why bother?) to inform them (like they wouldn't know) that those three Blu-ray discs still wouldn't load, and that I had realized they had blocked me from replying.

Bottom line: as long as there's an alternative, I would not consider DVDFab software as a Redfox replacement. It's junk. It may work, but then again it may not. Be advised.

[prozistka]

it seems that start from 2.6.x, xreveal will not support aacs-auth on free version.
PS: I tried new version, and it asked for online decryption while I can use VLC with the same keydb.cfg to play the disc, so I rolled back to old version

I've already puchased makemkv, so I think I will stick with 2.6.0 in case of blu-rays containing BD with MGVC.

[magician]

I think I will stick with 2.6.0

I think the free program has a timebomb so at some point you will have to adjust your system clock back to keep using the old versions.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I think the free program has a timebomb so at some point you will have to adjust your system clock back to keep using the old versions.

For the free version, the official releases expire 90 days from release. Beta versions expire 30 days from release. After the expiration the latest release needs to be installed.

[coopervid]

For the free version, the official releases expire 90 days from release. Beta versions expire 30 days from release. After the expiration the latest release needs to be installed.

And that information is available where?

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

And that information is available where?

The website: https://www.xreveal.com/pro.html

[prozistka]

I think the free program has a timebomb so at some point you will have to adjust your system clock back to keep using the old versions.

I've noticed that, so I rolled back to 2.5.0 which does not have a timebomb, and it works fine for MGVC blu-rays.

[chris198810]

If RedFox is no longer available or functioning, you might consider alternatives like MakeMKV, which you're already using, or tools like DumboFab, which offers similar functionality for ripping and bypassing encryption on DVDs and Blu-rays. HandBrake, combined with MakeMKV for decryption, also works for a lossless DVD-to-MP4 conversion process.

[George++]

I am not a power user, neither am I concerned with backing up my rather meager collection of 4K/UHD discs for whatever reason or usage. All I am concerned with is being able to do what AnyDVD did. Decrypt a disc and rip so I can either burn it to a blank, or if need be do some processing of the disc to remove streams I don't want on my back up. The AnyDVD feature to automatically remove annoying titles and clips from menus I really like for Blu-ray discs. I have manual tools I can use on DVD for finer grained processing of DVDs. Making a protected ISO is not something that concerns me.

I tried the free version of Xreveal and liked it enough to make a lifetime purchase. So the current Xreveal version doesn't have the remove titles/clips features yet. I've only used Xreveal with newer Blu-ray discs I purchased after RedFox disappeared. I tried AnyDVD to decrypt the discs and obviously it failed. Fire up Xreveal and and bingo-bango-bongo! Success with decrypting!

As a "let's see what happens" curiosity test I decided to mount the ripped ISOs and see if AnyDVD would now process the decrypted BDs. Well, hosannas! AnyDVD happily "decrypted" the mounted BDs, doing the "remove annoying stuff" magic. Reripped the ISO to another ISO and now I have a BD rip the way I want. I have yet to try using Xreveal to deal with a BD that has cinavia. I may make a test on a disc I know that has cinavia to see if Xreveal/AnyDVD/CloneBD can still work.

I am currently using AnyDVD to rip some DVDs without using Xreveal. So far no problems. The "single license usable on 3 PCs" will hopefully never need to be needed. If at some future date there is a DVD that AnyDVD can't successfully decrypt but Xreveal does buying an additional new lifetime license is an option. The pricing for a lifetime license is quite reasonable IMO.

[kurkosdr]

Like all of you, I'm a Redfox orphan. Namely, I've been using AnyDVD(HD) for over a decade, purchased two lifetime licenses, etc... I used to rip the occasional video Blu-ray but, most of all, to rip the hi-res/surround audio from Blu-ray discs, both audio and video.
I keep reading here and there suggestions of DVDFab Passkey as a valid replacement and I beg to differ. Here's my experience with those guys.

Without first testing the software (I'll admit that was very stupid of me, but I never had a single issue with AnyDVD so that probably made me careless), in the aftermath of Redfox's disappearance I purchased a DVDFab Passkey lifetime license. Well, the very first Blu-ray I tested it with (SDE's Wham! 'Make it big'), it wouldn't load. Reading error.

I contacted their customer 'service', who gave me the usual series of questions/tests that never solve a thing. Then they asked me to send me a series of files from the disc. And the waiting started.
Meanwhile, I could see that MakeMKV (for which I purchased a license a lifetime ago) could load that very same disc without any issue whatsoever.
Later on, I decided to buy the Xreveal Pro license. Surprise! Xreveal could also read that Wham! disc.

So I got in touch with DVDFab customer 'service' again, informed them about my findings, and, with the occasion, I also told them that Passkey could not read two more recently released blu-ray discs that I had meanwhile purchased: Fish 'Vigil in a wilderness of mirrors' and 'Internal exile'. But, guess what?, Xreveal and MakeMKV could read those too. No issue. Again. So I send them the files from those two discs too.

Time has passed (I'm talking months); Passkey has had several new releases but those three discs remain unreadable by that junk software. And hear this: when I tried to ask DVDFab for an update on my ticket I found out that... I could not! Somehow they had blocked the 'reply' feature within my still pending ticket. I made sure of that since I tried with other PCs / browsers. Now, that was a stroke of genius. I was officially baffled.
What I did was to open a new ticket (I know, why bother?) to inform them (like they wouldn't know) that those three Blu-ray discs still wouldn't load, and that I had realized they had blocked me from replying.

Bottom line: as long as there's an alternative, I would not consider DVDFab software as a Redfox replacement. It's junk. It may work, but then again it may not. Be advised.
Back when the Redfox forums existed, I had come across the exact opposite: Someone complaining that AnyDVD HD couldn't decrypt a DVD (yes, DVD, it would spin the disc but nothing would happen), while DVDFab could, to the point the RedFox mods called him "an infomercial for our biggest competitor".

None of those tools are guaranteed to work with every disc, and any talk about refunds can be best summarized with "hahaha... good luck with that".

This is why I am still sad Redfox is gone, it's pays to have multiple tools just in case your favorite doesn't work. Now we are one less tool.

[DaveO88]

@coopervid

well then here is another mod from the RedFox Guild:D

[cubicibo]

Back when the Redfox forums existed, I had come across the exact opposite: Someone complaining that AnyDVD HD couldn't decrypt a DVD (yes, DVD, it would spin the disc but nothing would happen), while DVDFab could, to the point the RedFox mods called him "an infomercial for our biggest competitor".


VideoHelp is plagued by ghost users who reply "xyzFab" to random question, even users register to just recommend DVDFab before disappearing in oblivion. Their infomercial practices are definitely real.