Redfox (AnyDVD et all) appears to be gone

[coopervid]

If coopervid says the reason is not for public use, then it is that way. He's been a mod way longer than me.
But I'd really like to stay in touch with the guys because IMO it was a fine community. :cool:
Good to see you here! I'm not sharing details to the public and it wouldn't help in any way. I just wanted to state that Redfox didn't shut down intentionally but they needed to. Nobody wants to spend years of his life behind bars.

[LazLong]

@coopervid and @cartman0208

I've seen speculation on VideoHelp and Reddit that the RedFox team sold their AnyStream IP to the StreamFab folks. Any inside info with regards to that?

[SamuriHL]

That rumor is nonsense. Started by people on Reddit who have no clue what they're talking about.

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[cartman0208]

I've seen speculation on VideoHelp and Reddit that the RedFox team sold their AnyStream IP to the StreamFab folks. Any inside info with regards to that?

Nope, no info ... I don't even know what would be achieved by that. :confused:

And the hint of coopervid should clarify that nobody from Redfox "took the money and ran" as many on reddit assumed.

[Treaties Of Warp]

Don't people have a right to keep a downloaded backup of titles that they purchased? A digital purchase that stays on remote servers is no guarantee that people will always be able to access their content. For example, the Funimation incident that just recently happened (https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/anime/funimation-shutdown-60000-hours-of-content-goes-missing-in-the-us-deets-inside-1292806).

I also recently was watching a series that had a subtitle issue (which is VERY common on Amazon content). Every other line of dialog was missing, due to overlapping timestamps, on EVERY episode. Downloading the content allows the user to use a tool like Subtitle Edit to automatically fix the issue locally.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to "blackmail" people into compliance in most countries by threatening to sue unless demands are met. They have to either file a lawsuit, or not. (If that's what happened.)

I thought some of the AnyDVD developers were actually located in China (like James).

When a public resource is taken away due to the actions of some institution or entity, it does serve the public to have the information as to who the entity is, and what they did to cause the loss of the resource. Their actions may not have been legal, and such actions should be reported (even if the actions were legal). This information is important for other developers to know about, so they can take measures to protect themselves and their products.

Again, just my thoughts and opinions.

[cartman0208]

Well, actually ... you don't buy the content or title ... you buy a license to access that content.
The same (or similar) way a streaming provider pays a license fee to the content owner to distribute that content to their customers.
That license can be revoked so you lose access to that content.

[SamuriHL]

^^^

First off, this. You buy a digital "license" and that's only valid as long as the entity you bought it from maintains a license to the content themselves. So no, you don't have any rights. I'm not saying I AGREE with this, just that this is how the law is interpreted. My personal feelings mirror yours for the most part. If you buy a license for something, you should be able to access it either remotely where you bought it or locally. For things you don't own like subscription services, I personally feel that's more "DVR" like. E.G. if I ever used such a product, I would only download things I maintain a subscription to. More convenience than anything else. What other people do is their business. That's just my personal take on those types of products.

Second, and this is the important part, at least in the US with how the DMCA is written, you can possess technology to defeat DRM but you are not allowed to create such technology. Now that law should only apply to the US but the US likes to use its immense economic power to shove those laws down the throats of other countries. I'll save the political discussion for elsewhere on that. So while you aren't likely to get sued for using AnyDVD to back up your legally purchased discs, the maker of said product is most definitely a target. See SlySoft. See the pending case against DVDFab. Etc. Is it right? No, of course not. But the way the laws are written, this cry you have of victimhood of "being threatened" or whatever is simply not true. If an organization targeted them, it's for breaking the percieved laws. Again, I don't think it's ok, either but that's simply the fact. They are enforcing BS laws.

[coopervid]

^^^

First off, this. You buy a digital "license" and that's only valid as long as the entity you bought it from maintains a license to the content themselves. So no, you don't have any rights. I'm not saying I AGREE with this, just that this is how the law is interpreted. My personal feelings mirror yours for the most part. If you buy a license for something, you should be able to access it either remotely where you bought it or locally. For things you don't own like subscription services, I personally feel that's more "DVR" like. E.G. if I ever used such a product, I would only download things I maintain a subscription to. More convenience than anything else. What other people do is their business. That's just my personal take on those types of products.

Second, and this is the important part, at least in the US with how the DMCA is written, you can possess technology to defeat DRM but you are not allowed to create such technology. Now that law should only apply to the US but the US likes to use its immense economic power to shove those laws down the throats of other countries. I'll save the political discussion for elsewhere on that. So while you aren't likely to get sued for using AnyDVD to back up your legally purchased discs, the maker of said product is most definitely a target. See SlySoft. See the pending case against DVDFab. Etc. Is it right? No, of course not. But the way the laws are written, this cry you have of victimhood of "being threatened" or whatever is simply not true. If an organization targeted them, it's for breaking the percieved laws. Again, I don't think it's ok, either but that's simply the fact. They are enforcing BS laws.
Very good statement. And others that only want copies of their legal or not so legal copies should think twice and read it over and over. But most don't care or comprehend. Just let me make that copy....

[Wenny]

So, 4 pages of text and literally zero information about where Redfox went?

Indeed. They've been looking for AnyDVD alternatives for a long time.

[Treaties Of Warp]

And the hint of coopervid should clarify that nobody from Redfox "took the money and ran" as many on reddit assumed.

I would say that there still isn't really any "proof" of anything. The whole situation is very bizarre. If somebody gets taken down by some institution, that institution is typically named. I've been on the Internet since 1995 (yes unfortunately I am old which I don't like!) and in that time I've seen several sites and products "end" due to legal pressure and whoever is applying pressure is always named at some point. Why not name it? If I was "taking the money and running," if I felt compelled enough to say anything to anyone asking what was happening, I might say something like "we have to shut down so we don't get sued!", but if I named who was threatening me, then they would know I was lying.

So, respectfully, we have no information "from the horses mouth", we have hearsay from a former moderator who was "told something" but strangely we don't know what was told, who told it, or anything about who was involved.

What we do know is 1) Lifetime licenses for the main product people were buying (AnyStream) were removed in January 2024 suggesting a revenue problem, and 2) within about 1-2 days of Redfox's disappearance, StreamFab is fixed. That is a notable coincidence, to say the least. Also, even though it isn't known fact, I think it's reasonable to believe that for the 4-5 months that AnyStream worked and StreamFab didn't, that sales for AnyStream probably increased, thus giving a boost of revenue.

In conclusion the fact remains we have no verifiable information as to what happened. It's still possible that someone threatened them, and it's still possible of an "exit scam" type of situation. We just don't know, and probably never will if the RedFox team remains anonymous.

These are just my thoughts, if I offended anyone with my remarks, please know that I didn't intend any.

[SamuriHL]

And you need to come to terms with what I've already said multiple times in this thread. You will never have the information you seem to think you're entitled to. You're not going to get "proof". You're not going to be told what the organization was. You can choose to believe whatever you want. Knowing won't change the simple fact that they aren't coming back.

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[SeeMoreDigital]

Me thinks it's time to close this topic...

[kurkosdr]

And you need to come to terms with what I've already said multiple times in this thread. You will never have the information you seem to think you're entitled to. You're not going to get "proof". You're not going to be told what the organization was.

Fine, then it's fair to assume your claims are all hearsay and it was an exit scam.

You can choose to believe whatever you want.
Read the post above yours as to why I choose to believe it was an exit scam.

Knowing won't change the simple fact that they aren't coming back.
And even if RedFox came back under another name, we'd likely still have to buy lifetime licenses again (much like the SlySoft licenses weren't accepted by RedFox). But what I won't do is excuse what is a total disappearance from the web intentionally performed by the website owners themselves by assigning blame to some mythical unnamed organization that can magically get them now in 2024 but couldn't in 2016 or the years in between.

[cartman0208]

The comments of coopervid #85 and #101 do not leave much room for speculation, at least for me.
Here's an example what I figured from it:
- you do something that is against the law
- you get cought (whatever that means)
- you are given the choice to 1) go to jail or 2) remove everything "unlawful" from the web and never lose a word about it
What would you do?

Of course that is also an assumption... but what would you accept as proof and not say it's scam?

[ron spencer]

The comments of coopervid #85 and #101 do not leave much room for speculation, at least for me.
Here's an example what I figured from it:
- you do something that is against the law
- you get cought (whatever that means)
- you are given the choice to 1) go to jail or 2) remove everything "unlawful" from the web and never lose a word about it
What would you do?

Of course that is also an assumption... but what would you accept as proof and not say it's scam?

The "proof" would be something from the former company itself or official documentation. But then again, this may not be possible with NDAs and all. This is interesting, because one would think who/whomever "caught" them would want to let everyone know they are watching. Then again, operating in the shadows may be the best for who/whomever this entity is, especially if they have access to Redfox customer information. Sometimes the cat and mouse game goes both ways.

Regardless, there is no "proof", just posts on this forum.

[coopervid]

Are you guys nuts or just a bunch who just follow everey conspiracy theory? "Proof", "official documentation", "access to Redfox customer information", "mythical unnamed organization". Hey - they just took everything - everything - down before being caught. Keep on smoking weed and come up with more BS.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

What we do know is 1) Lifetime licenses for the main product people were buying (AnyStream) were removed in January 2024 suggesting a revenue problem, and 2) within about 1-2 days of Redfox's disappearance, StreamFab is fixed. That is a notable coincidence, to say the least.

Some people conflate things. People in general. Events simply MUST be related because... they simply MUST. No, they simply mustn't. What we do know is that some people like to create/dream up/invent explanations so that they feel that they have an answer to something rather than not actually knowing. An answer makes some people feel better even if it accomplishes nothing.

With the above said, there was a discussion somewhere on Reddit either in the Anystream or StreamFab areas about Redfox shutting down and how quickly StreamFab worked again on Netflix, etc. Mentioned was the absurdity of the claim that Redfox sold their "decryption keys" to DVDFab. An individual went on further to explain how the approaches both companies took to do what they did were not the same. It wasn't just like Redfox could just give DVDFab a key and, voila, StreamFab works now. It would have involved completely rewriting things and there is zero indication that any such event occurred. I don't have a link to share because I read it, found it interesting, and moved on. I honestly don't care enough to spend time looking.

To end this post...

https://compote.slate.com/images/7bebd458-dfe9-4c35-beee-da10caaaa99b.jpg

[SamuriHL]

Fine, then it's fair to assume your claims are all hearsay and it was an exit scam.


Kuel. You feel better? You can sleep now? It has TOTALLY and 100% changed your life believing something that is total BS, right?


Read the post above yours as to why I choose to believe it was an exit scam.


Believe whatever you want. Simply believing something doesn't make it true no matter how hard you try. It's still BS.


And even if RedFox came back under another name


They won't.

[Perenista]

Not saying this is related to anything, but one thing I noticed a while (not long time ago) before this event was that RedFox discontinued lifetime licenses for ALL products, like AnyDVD. Users that got them in the past were able to keep.

[WSC4]

https://forum.doom9.net/showthread.php?t=173234

24th of February 2016. This is Déjà vu and it brought back memories when I was using SlySoft. Both that thread and this are almost carbon copies. But the SlySoft thread has a happy ending. On page 3 post #47, RedFox is born when old staff members were willing to continue the development. That was a long time ago now.



To end this post, I do actually know what happened.



I see you are another moderator at Redfox. Is that 5 in this thread? I've lost count. You also don't have to disclose what actually happened, and I respect your decision on that. But I think it will all come out in the wash eventually. I now don't care if it was the AACS LA, DMCA, BREIN or some other anti-circumvention body that seized the RedFox domain name. What I would like to know, if there is any hint of old staff members willing to continue the development in the future?

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I see you are another x moderator at Redfox. Is that 5 in this thread? I've lost count. You also don't have to disclose what actually happened, and I respect your decision on that. But I think it will all come out in the wash eventually. I now don't care if it was the AACS LA, DMCA, BREIN or some other anti-circumvention body that seized the RedFox domain name. What I would like to know, if there is any hint of old staff members willing to continue the development in the future?

I have no idea what happened. I hadn't been a moderator for years now and rarely visited the forums in recent years.

My comment on knowing what happened was merely in jest which I hope was obvious given who I did not say was behind it. That said, barring someone proving to me that aliens weren't behind the shutdown just means they actually might have been. :p

Edit: Obviously, it sucks that Redfox is gone. I was a fan of most of their software. It's a big loss to the community but we all have to put our big boy pants on and move forward.

[SamuriHL]

That's really the important part. They had really great products that are now gone. Anydvd will work for a while but AS if completely done. As for some miracle come back, I really rather doubt it. I personally think they're gone for good this time.

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[Treaties Of Warp]

Coincidences can definitely happen, I remember a situation with Jim Browning, a YouTuber who exposes and shuts down Indian scammers. You would think it's impossible for someone like him to get scammed, but he got a new phone with a new SIM, then got an e-mail the next day, entirely by coincidence, from a real Gmail address of someone telling him he had to do some stuff to his YouTube account. Jim assumed that was probably due to an entirely new phone and SIM, but it wasn't, and the scammer got control of his YouTube account, and deleted all of his content. Jim very luckily was able to get YouTube to get him his account back and restore all of the videos. But the main thing that tricked him was the coincidence of getting a new phone right when he got an e-mail that wouldn't have fooled him if he hadn't have gotten the new phone.

My point is it definitely could be coincidence that StreamFab was fixed immediately after RedFox disappeared.

Another possibility that I read (I think on Reddit but now I'm not sure) is that both RedFox and StreamFab might have been purchasing the Widevine decryption methodology from someone else.

[Yarc]

Hi, I'm new here but have been a Redfox customer for a long time. It's a real shame that they are gone so we must move on now and use alternative tools. I realize that AnyDVD will likely work for a while, but will ultimately fail as new protections come out. I'm wondering if the option to copy with protection will likely still work for some time considering this is not decrypting, or at least as far as I understand it. The reason I ask this is because I like creating ISO's with original menus and currently trying out DVDFab. This seems to work well although not quite as quick as AnyDVD and also does not support my 4K USB drive. However, I have discovered that by creating a protected Blu-ray ISO with AnyDVD I can then process this file with DVDFab, so this is my current solution. I have also downloaded xreveal which works similar to AnyDVD and the free version of this also allows creating protected ISO's so this is another option. I have to say, the full price for xreveal is very reasonable but I don't currently need on-the-fly decryption for my use case.

[SamuriHL]

As long as your drive is UHD Friendly or supported by LibreDrive (and you have MakeMKV installed, of course) the protected ISO function will still work, yes. Xreveal's protected ISO creation feature works just as well.

[Yarc]

Ok, thanks. My drive is supported by LibreDrive so it looks like I should be okay for a while, unless DVDFab get taken down in which case I will revert to MakeMKV and xreveal.

[SamuriHL]

LibreDrive doesn't really need updates as long as your drive is supported, so creating protected ISOs is always possible now for you.

[Yarc]

LibreDrive doesn't really need updates as long as your drive is supported, so creating protected ISOs is always possible now for you.

That's good to know, thanks for your help.

[infoxtreme]

unfortunately they are gone, the game has become dangerous and the financial return is no longer worth it, simple as that. I just think they could have given an official statement independent of any legal issues

Strangely enough, xreveal is almost a copy of anydvd.

Now a question, what does anydvd do that makemkv or dvdfab can't do?

[SamuriHL]

Real time decryption. And screen pass protection removal.

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[Yarc]

Real time decryption. And screen pass protection removal.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think DVDFab Passkey decrypts on the fly, but that is a separate product to DVDFab and not sure how it compares to AnyDVD as never used it.

[SamuriHL]

It's very similar to anydvd in how it works. I don't know its full feature set as I don't own it.

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[infoxtreme]

I would say that Real time decryption, for me it's not very important, since I think the most important thing is to be able to back up my movies.

screen pass protection as far as i know dvdfab can handle

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

It's very similar to anydvd in how it works. I don't know its full feature set as I don't own it.

Passkey uses "StealthyClone anti-protection" (https://blog.dvdfab.cn/stealthyclone-anti-protection.html) to remove Screen Pass.

With respect to protection removal Passkey offers similar features to AnyDVD HD but I don't know if it works as well. I don't have enough experience with it.


Remove AACS
Remove BD+
- Remove BD+ Firmware warning
Remove RC (Region Code)
Remove Java protection with StealthyClone anti-protection
Remove BD-Live
Remove UOPS (User Operation Prohibitions)
Remove CCI (Copy Control Information)
Hide PS3 update files
Accelerate AACS decryption by using the Intel AES-NI
Remove Blu-ray Country Code

The feature Xreveal needs to add is Screen Pass removal. Until then, unfortunately, it's not quite there and falls short of being a direct replacement for AnyDVD HD or Passkey.

[kurkosdr]

The feature Xreveal needs to add is Screen Pass removal. Until then, unfortunately, it's not quite there and falls short of being a direct replacement for AnyDVD HD or Passkey.
BTW this is why I am slightly annoyed by all those "use Xreveal" / "use MakeMKV" posts. None of those is an "all batteries included" solution (including ability to remove BD-J countermeasures such as Screen Pass), so proposing them as alternatives to AnyDVD HD or DVDFab without any asterisks is insincere.

If you want an "all batteries included" solution, the only remaining solution we are left with is the DVDFab products (DVDFab and DVDFab Passkey). You may not like DVDFab (for example their pricing or their online activation requirement), but these are the facts.

[Grimsdyke]

Then buy one of that and be happy. Geeeez.

[xreveal]

BTW this is why I am slightly annoyed by all those "use Xreveal" / "use MakeMKV" posts. None of those is an "all batteries included" solution (including ability to remove BD-J countermeasures such as Screen Pass), so proposing them as alternatives to AnyDVD HD or DVDFab without any asterisks is insincere.

Xreveal could remove some java based protections,
and that feature is fully functional in the free version.

If you find some discs have issues, please upload the ziplog to https://www.mediafire.com/, PM the download link or mail to support@xreveal.com, thanks.
https://xreveal.com/img/1719651868871.png

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Xreveal could remove some java based protections,
and that feature is fully functional in the free version.

Is there any indication in the disc information window that Java-based protections have been removed when supported? Or am I blind and not seeing it?

[xreveal]

Is there any indication in the disc information window that Java-based protections have been removed when supported? Or am I blind and not seeing it?

No indication.

Cat-and-mouse games have complicated the Java-based protections, it is difficult to detect whether a disc contains Java-based protections through generic C/C++ code.

[kurkosdr]

Then buy one of that and be happy. Geeeez.
Already did (lifetime license, which I am glad for since DVDFab may raise prices now that they are the only remaining complete solution in town), but this doesn't negate the fact all those "use Xreveal" / "use MakeMKV" posts proposing those tools as a replacement to AnyDVD HD should come with an asterisk to be sincere.

I also have an Xreveal and MakeMKV license, I consider them to be backup tools to DVDFab and DVDFab Passkey (see? I understand I took a risk with tools like DVDFab and DVDFab Passkey that require online activation, still worth it to have a complete solution in my opinion).

[kurkosdr]

No indication.

Cat-and-mouse games have complicated the Java-based protections, it is difficult to detect whether a disc contains Java-based protections through generic C/C++ code.
First time I am hearing about Xreveal being able to remove BD-J countermeasures, it's not even listed as a feature:
https://www.xreveal.com/pro.html

Also, when a BD-J countermeasure is removed, you'd expect the log to tell you about it ("BD-J countermeasure detected and removed") like it says "Removed AACS protection" when Xreveal removes AACS protection.

[xreveal]

First time I am hearing about Xreveal being able to remove BD-J countermeasures, it's not even listed as a feature:
https://www.xreveal.com/pro.html

Also, when a BD-J countermeasure is removed, you'd expect the log to tell you about it ("BD-J countermeasure detected and removed") like it says "Removed AACS protection" when Xreveal removes AACS protection.

Will listed when I think it's as good as AnyDVD's.

It's hard to detect, for example, I don't know when it's raining, but the sunroof closes automatically when it rains. This automatic sunroof auto-close feature is already present in Xreveal. As for whether it is good enough to use, we need users to send more ziplog samples to train it.

[Yarc]

My impressions of DVDFab in the short time of using it are reasonably positive. It certainly does most of want I need for backing up my DVD's and BD's. It's UHD disc backup is not as good for me as the AnyDVD/MakeMKV/CloneBD combo I have been using because for one thing it does not currently use Libre Drive. So as discussed in one of my previous posts, if AnyDVD cannot backup a 4K disc I first have to create a protected ISO and then DVDFab can process this but only if it supports the particular disc of course. This is a working solution and the Fab software works well once this hurdle is overcome. That being said, if I want to customize the 4K content, currently DVDFab is not as good as CloneBD that provides greater options for selecting/unselecting the tracks I want, and it also makes it easier to see the available tracks. For UHD discs, Fab can either copy just a single track or the whole disc. Maybe this will be improved later, I don't know. So once I have a decrypted BD disc, CloneBD is my tool of choice for creating custom ISO images. For DVD's I find DVDFab is fine and possibly just as good as CloneDVD. One thing I have noticed is that for customising a Blu-ray ISO, DVDFab automatically removes most of the copyright messages. In fact, they don't even appear in the list of available tracks. CloneBD on the other hand will list everything. This is only a minor point that I don't think this is either a positive or negative point against the programs.

The other aspect I'm not so keen on with DVDFab is the advertising. An update for example may add more features but these can be trials that need purchasing after the first few uses. The update does not provide an option to reject the trial. Of course, if not needed these trial features can be ignored. On the plus side, Fab's update record shows frequent updates to handle newer protections, so can't complain about that.

Overall, I think Fab is a reasonable alternative for creating ISO backups with original disc menus if that is a requirement. I don't think it's as quick as AnyDVD/CloneBD but that may be down to my settings.

If DVDFab closes down, then it will be a case of using xreveal - which seems to be very good - and MakeMKV. I've downloaded the free version of xreveal but IMHO the lifetime license is not expensive. We just have to hope that the surviving developers of tools such as xreveal and MakeMKV are not hounded by the same organization(s) that scared off RedFox.

[SamuriHL]

A couple notes.

You can possibly save a step in your process and rip to decrypted folder with makemkv and open that with clonebd. Then you can use libredrive. This is course presumes the disc is supported in makemkv when you want to create your backup.

If DVDfab goes away, Xreveal will not be useful for future UHD. This is because it does not contain any keys at all. It's an implementation of the AACS libraries that allow decryption but you provide the keys by downloading the keydb file. So what does that have to do with DVDfab? Search this forum for findvuk to see the answer to that question. It would render anydvd just as useless for future UHD if the keydb is no longer updated, as well.

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[Treaties Of Warp]

If DVDfab goes away, Xreveal will not be useful for future UHD. This is because it does not contain any keys at all. It's an implementation of the AACS libraries that allow decryption but you provide the keys by downloading the keydb file.

I don't follow... so you're saying that the FindVUK database (http://fvonline-db.bplaced.net/) will not support any UHD discs from this point forward? Can you please post the source for this? :confused:

[Treaties Of Warp]

Xreveal could remove some java based protections,
and that feature is fully functional in the free version.

If you find some discs have issues, please upload the ziplog to https://www.mediafire.com/, PM the download link or mail to support@xreveal.com, thanks.
https://xreveal.com/img/1719651868871.png

Thanks very much for your efforts, it's extremely appreciated from users like me.

Since AnyDVD is no more, people need to send in their logs for discs that they have issues with, especially screen pass / obfuscated playlist discs. Xreveal basically has to completely start over, so it will take some time for it to catch up. It's already quite far along! :) :D

Xreveal, please consider adding a forum to the Xreveal site (https://www.xreveal.com/)! ;)

[SamuriHL]

I don't follow... so you're saying that the FindVUK database (http://fvonline-db.bplaced.net/) will not support any UHD discs from this point forward? Can you please post the source for this? :confused:

Did you do what I said to do and go search for the FindVUK thread on this forum? If you read it, you will understand why if DVDFab goes away, there will be far fewer UHD keys added to the keydb from that point on.

[Treaties Of Warp]

I am familiar with that thread (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=172472), but that thread does not make it clear that the online database (http://fvonline-db.bplaced.net/) is directly tied to DVDFab. (Maybe I'm missing it?) Just that the tool can dump keys from the DVDFab Passkey application, and can also download the latest keydb.cfg from the online database. It does mention that at the end of the FindVUK cycle it uploads to the online database, but again, it didn't make it clear to me that the online database is populated exclusively or mostly from DVDFab Passkey. I also didn't realize that AnyDVD was using this database (as you mentioned), that's very interesting that AnyDVD's UHD decryption was dependent on DVDFab. So if so, then you're right, if DVDFab / Passkey / et all dies, then so does the future of disc decryption. That sucks.

[SamuriHL]

I didn't say ALL key entries were made that way, but the vast majority of KeyDB entries are made by FindVUK, which is tied to DVDFab. Especially for UHD. Blu-ray is a different story until the next MKB is released. Since there are no public AACS 2.x DK/PK anywhere, FindVUK is really the main method of dumping keys. MakeMKV encrypts their hashed keys so dumping them from there is not really possible. AnyDVD relied on the KeyDB for UHD support for the most part. They had some of their own keys which are embedded in the last release but mostly they were coming from the KeyDB and being cached by AnyDVD's OPD once AnyDVD scanned a disc with a KeyDB entry.

If you know of another way to find and upload UHD keys without FindVUK, I'm all ears. I'm sure there are some out there who can do it but I've seen no public AACS 2.x DK/PK posted anywhere so barring that, you need to dump the keys from another source....i.e. DVDFab products.

[Yarc]

This is very interesting as I was not fully aware of this information concerning how the majority of keys were obtained by FindVUK. That does indeed put FabDVD in a good position although a prime target for certain organizations. I hope they survive for the legal right of making backups.