Redfox (AnyDVD et all) appears to be gone

[SamuriHL]

It depends. The free version is likely limited in what it can do (i.e. I think it's looking at the keydb). But the pro version, which is reasonable for a lifetime license, most definitely can handle the latest BD's. I just had one I was playing with that was not in the keydb and the pro version of Xreveal handled it no problem.


https://www.xreveal.com/pro.html


If you look there, you'll see the free version is limited in finding new BD keys. It's worth the upgrade to pro IMO.

[SamuriHL]

P.S. A note about AnyDVD's (future) usefulness as a BD tool. I'm sure right now it'll decrypt everything you throw at it. But there's two problems, both related to whenever a new MKB comes out. Currently as of this writing, v81. It's highly probable the next MKB revokes the host cert that AnyDVD is using for BD's. There are ways around that problem, although AnyDVD changed internally their blu-ray support in recent versions which is a shame. Once they revoke the host cert that AnyDVD is using and your drive's MKB is updated, well....being able to decrypt everything suddenly becomes more of an issue unless you work around that problem. The second is the device/processing key AnyDVD is using is also likely to get revoked. That will prevent AnyDVD from decrypting any future titles even if you work around the host cert revocation problem. Basically, AnyDVD has a shelf life.

[datman]

I guess I'm using the free version of Xreveal. I plan to get the pro version, I thought I was demoing it. Once I get the pro will it update automatically similar to Anydvd?

[SamuriHL]

You still need to keep your keydb.cfg file updated.

[coopervid]

The pro version works very well. They just issued a new version that is digitally signed. Hopefully now the false antivirus alarms are gone.

[datman]

I'm assuming you mean that I need to be connected every time I put a disc in then it automatically gets the key.

Perhaps part of my learning curve with Xreveal. Multiple times when I played my recent movie I got no audio. This was with both dvdfab and Xreveal using bdrb.

Last night I bought the pro and the Xreveal rip appeared to not have audio. Today I reripped it using Xreveal to decrypt and image burn to rip to ISO and presently running bdrb. Hope this works. Maybe I'm missing some setup steps?

[SamuriHL]

I'm assuming you mean that I need to be connected every time I put a disc in then it automatically gets the key.


Please don't assume. Xreveal is NOT going to automatically go get the updated keydb.cfg for you. That's your job to keep it up to date.


Perhaps part of my learning curve with Xreveal. Multiple times when I played my recent movie I got no audio. This was with both dvdfab and Xreveal using bdrb.


Has absolutely nothing at all to do with the method of decryption. So no.


Last night I bought the pro and the Xreveal rip appeared to not have audio. Today I reripped it using Xreveal to decrypt and image burn to rip to ISO and presently running bdrb. Hope this works. Maybe I'm missing some setup steps?

Again, audio has NOTHING AT ALL to do with decryption. Not an Xreveal problem.

[coopervid]

I'm assuming you mean that I need to be connected every time I put a disc in then it automatically gets the key.

Perhaps part of my learning curve with Xreveal. Multiple times when I played my recent movie I got no audio. This was with both dvdfab and Xreveal using bdrb.

Last night I bought the pro and the Xreveal rip appeared to not have audio. Today I reripped it using Xreveal to decrypt and image burn to rip to ISO and presently running bdrb. Hope this works. Maybe I'm missing some setup steps?

Audio depends highly on the way how you want to play it. Maybe you should tell us the chain that doesn't play the audio, e.g. UHD player - AVR. And the codec, e.g Dolby Atmos, DTS.

[datman]

Audio depends highly on the way how you want to play it. Maybe you should tell us the chain that doesn't play the audio, e.g. UHD player - AVR. And the codec, e.g Dolby Atmos, DTS.

My work flow has been the same for years. Decrypt and rip to image keeping protection using anydvd. Mount ISO run BDRB keeping HD audio to movie only backup.

I tried to do the same thing fully in dvdfab and used Xreveal and BDRB. With dvdfab I get audio not supported message from the MP4 backup. With the Xreveal rip + BDRB I get no audio the oppo 203 player says there's a dolby truehd 7.1 track, but no sound.

Just prior to these issues using both dvdfab and Xreveal rips BDRB failed quickly saying failure to extract audio stream.

At least until I figure out what went wrong I can decrypt with Xreveal and rip with image burn then run BDRB. Watching a perfect copy now.

[SamuriHL]

Make sure you update to the latest Xreveal. There were some possible issues with protected ISOs in the previous version that the author fixed. You can run content hash validation on the image to see if it's impacted.

[coopervid]

My work flow has been the same for years. Decrypt and rip to image keeping protection using anydvd. Mount ISO run BDRB keeping HD audio to movie only backup.

I tried to do the same thing fully in dvdfab and used Xreveal and BDRB. With dvdfab I get audio not supported message from the MP4 backup. With the Xreveal rip + BDRB I get no audio the oppo 203 player says there's a dolby truehd 7.1 track, but no sound.

Just prior to these issues using both dvdfab and Xreveal rips BDRB failed quickly saying failure to extract audio stream.

At least until I figure out what went wrong I can decrypt with Xreveal and rip with image burn then run BDRB. Watching a perfect copy now.

WTF are you doing??? Why MP4? Why Imgburn to rip to ISO? Your sequence to do your rips is screwed up and cumbersome.

[datman]

WTF are you doing??? Why MP4? Why Imgburn to rip to ISO? Your sequence to do your rips is screwed up and cumbersome.
MP4 because it was one of two choices using dvdfab. I already have makemkv so it seemed logical.

I used image burn not as a first choice but just experimenting hoping to get a option while I get used to not having anydvd.

I'm pretty sure SamuraiHL nailed it. In my successful backup I didn't keep the protection. I will check for updates and try it again without image burn.

[SamuriHL]

An FYI about containers while we're here. MP4 by default doesn't support HD audio formats like TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, ATMOS, DTS:X, etc. Streaming services use MP4 because they can throw DD+ based ATMOS tracks in there and it'll work but anything higher than that and it won't without some major screwery. Stick to MKV, even with DVDFab if you go that route.

My workflow is pretty straight forward. Xreveal to make a protected ISO, if MakeMKV supports it, open the ISO and create an MKV. If support has not been added to MakeMKV, mount image with <insert choice of image mounting tools here: VCD, Daemon Tools, etc>, let Xreveal decrypt it, then open with MakeMKV to create MKV. Delete protected ISO when done.

People often ask why I bother creating a full protected ISO if I'm just creating an MKV. The reason is to test the readability of my discs at the time of purchase. They will never get better. They can get worse. I want to know if I need to replace one or not by reading every bit on the disc at least once.

[datman]

My MKV backups don't do DV or Atmos. The audio is 7 multichannel. May be just as good but I still like seeing Atmos. My Oppo 203 every movie I play is presented in DV I like that even though I know it's not actually in DV.

It doesn't matter now but I obviously don't know how to use dvdfab because I was not able to make BD files only MKV or MP4.

[SamuriHL]

My mkv backups do every format...dv and atmos included. I play them in an ugoos am6+ with coreelec. Full fel layer and all.

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[datman]

I have read it could be done but not without a learning curve. Even though I've been around a long time here, I'm not that technically savvy.

[coopervid]

My MKV backups don't do DV or Atmos. The audio is 7 multichannel. May be just as good but I still like seeing Atmos. My Oppo 203 every movie I play is presented in DV I like that even though I know it's not actually in DV.

It doesn't matter now but I obviously don't know how to use dvdfab because I was not able to make BD files only MKV or MP4.

I have an Oppo clone M9201 which is basically an Oppo 203 w/o a drive. Other than Sam I always do decrypted ISOs. You could do that with AnyDVD and now you can do it with XReveal by right clicking the program icon and " save as image". No need for Imgburn. Your Oppo should be able to play this ISO directly w/o any further steps. Regarding audio it depends which formats are supported by your AVR. And you should set the output of your Oppo to bitstream. Other than MKVs your player will trigger DolbyVision if playing the ISO.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Your Oppo should be able to play this ISO directly w/o any further steps...
Just so everybody knows, an OPPO UDP-20x player running stock software/firmware can't play DVD or Blu-ray.iso files.

EDIT: it can however play Blu-ray BDMV folder/file-sets when placed within an manually created AVCHD folder accessed via a USB connected HDD or a network connected HDD accessed via SMB or NFS file server.

[SamuriHL]

I have read it could be done but not without a learning curve. Even though I've been around a long time here, I'm not that technically savvy.

If you don't care about the FEL layer, you can get an nVidia SHIELD, install Kodi on it or just use Plex, and it'll play DV and ATMOS from MKV just fine. Pretty easy to set up, especially Plex.

[datman]

I have an Oppo clone M9201 which is basically an Oppo 203 w/o a drive. Other than Sam I always do decrypted ISOs. You could do that with AnyDVD and now you can do it with XReveal by right clicking the program icon and " save as image". No need for Imgburn. Your Oppo should be able to play this ISO directly w/o any further steps. Regarding audio it depends which formats are supported by your AVR. And you should set the output of your Oppo to bitstream. Other than MKVs your player will trigger DolbyVision if playing the ISO.

That is how I initially tried it, as I always have done with Anydvd. Because of the error I was not getting audio. I'm not sure when I'll need to run it again or I may experiment with old movies to see if everything is now working without ripping with image burn.

[datman]

If you don't care about the FEL layer, you can get an nVidia SHIELD, install Kodi on it or just use Plex, and it'll play DV and ATMOS from MKV just fine. Pretty easy to set up, especially Plex.

I have a Shield and have used it for files some years back something about it I still prefer the Oppo. I thought the video looked better. I get stuck doing thing a certain way and just stick with what works. One reason why I still stick with BDRB for BD discs. Plus the size is always 21g and I don't think there is any loss in quality.

For UHD BDclone gave me what I want. Not sure why Makemkv doesn't just give me what you are able to do with MKV.

[coopervid]

I think in your case it would be the easiest to go with folders instead of ISO or MKV or MP4. Your Oppo 203 can play folders via USB and Dolby Vision will work while it will not with MKV. Then you will have to address your audio problem. I guess you have an AVR and if so you should set the audio output in the Oppo to bitstream given that the AVR can handle all formats like Dolby Atmos and DTS MA.

[kurkosdr]

So, 4 pages of text and literally zero information about where Redfox went?

[SamuriHL]

They're gone. No one knows why. No one is likely to ever know why. But it's very clear at this point they won't be coming back.

[AndrewB]

So I’ve finally been able to test out Xreveal now that Avast is no longer flagging the executable as a Trojan.

Initial impressions is that it appears to be better than AnyDVD at decrypting DVDs of different regions to the host drive, like a region 1 disc in a region 2 drive, and the CSS keys it provides work correctly when manually input into AnyDVD. It’ll be interesting to see if AnyDVD gives the same results if I place the disc into my region 1 drive.

I haven’t tested out Blu-ray functionality yet.

[kurkosdr]

They're gone. No one knows why. No one is likely to ever know why. But it's very clear at this point they won't be coming back.
They finally rolled out signed executables this week, which means antivirus software doesn't scan the exe with all heuristics turned up to 11 anymore:
https://www.xreveal.com/changelog.html

Anyway, I think Xreveal should have its own thread.

[kurkosdr]

They're gone. No one knows why. No one is likely to ever know why. But it's very clear at this point they won't be coming back.
Then I guess this thread is 4 pages of off-topic stuff?

Can we keep this Redfox-focused and move the Xreveal discussion elsewhere? I want to enable email notifications on this thread without being bombarded with off-topic posts.

[SamuriHL]

Then just close the thread. Because Redfox is gone. Period.

[kurkosdr]

Then just close the thread. Because Redfox is gone. Period.
How do you know for sure? Remember when they disappeared as Slysoft but came back as Redfox sometime after?

[SamuriHL]

How do you know for sure? Remember when they disappeared as Slysoft but came back as Redfox sometime after?

I'm well aware of the history. RedFox popped up a mere 2 or so weeks after SlySoft was shut down. It's now been 33 some odd days with (and here's the important part) NO COMMUNICATION from anyone that worked for RedFox. NONE. ZERO. ANYWHERE. You can hold your breath if you want, but, they aren't coming back. Do I know this for a fact? Nope. But as a former forum mod, I can tell you, this situation is not normal. And certainly not a "technical issue" at this point. I also don't believe the nonsense that they "sold out" or "took the money and run" like many....people....have speculated. Unless someone that actually KNOWS something pops up with ACTUAL information, this thread is pointless. The simple fact is, they are wiped from the face of the internet.

[kurkosdr]

I'm well aware of the history. RedFox popped up a mere 2 or so weeks after SlySoft was shut down. It's now been 33 some odd days with (and here's the important part) NO COMMUNICATION from anyone that worked for RedFox. NONE. ZERO. ANYWHERE. You can hold your breath if you want, but, they aren't coming back. Do I know this for a fact? Nope. But as a former forum mod, I can tell you, this situation is not normal. And certainly not a "technical issue" at this point. I also don't believe the nonsense that they "sold out" or "took the money and run" like many....people....have speculated. Unless someone that actually KNOWS something pops up with ACTUAL information, this thread is pointless. The simple fact is, they are wiped from the face of the internet.
As I've said above, you don't know for sure that they have no intention to return. Can we have a thread where no new posts are made if no new information surfaces?

[SamuriHL]

Sure you can create one. Then you can wait for all the replies to it with "new information." :)

[WSC4]

AnyDVD, AnyStream, CloneDVD, CloneBD, etc...

Their domain - redfox.bz - no longer resolves.

.bz is a Belize domain.

The last IP that redfox.bz resolved to is 45.93.138.193. This IP points to the Lithuanian ISP Hostinger, which seems to be where they were hosted. I'm not sure if there was a content delivery network that pointed to servers hosted on other ISPs in other parts of the world.

https://statuspage.hostinger.com/
https://whoisfreaks.com/tools/whois/lookup/redfox.bz
https://whois.domaintools.com/redfox.bz
https://ipinfo.io/ (enter 45.93.138.193)
https://ipinfo.io/products/whois-api (enter 45.93.138.193)

:scared:

The OP did some good detective work with these links:

https://statuspage.hostinger.com/
https://whoisfreaks.com/tools/whois/lookup/redfox.bz
https://whois.domaintools.com/redfox.bz
https://ipinfo.io/ (enter 45.93.138.193)
https://ipinfo.io/products/whois-api (enter 45.93.138.193)

The domain - redfox.bz. .bz is a Belize domain. Belize is a nation on the eastern coast of Central America. The last IP that redfox.bz resolved to is 45.93.138.193. This IP points to https://www.hostinger.com which is in Lithuania, and seems to be where they were hosted.

However, at https://www.hostinger.com, if you click the language top left, Belize is not listed in Choose your country. But a search in their domains and redfox.bz is already taken.

This link - https://whoisfreaks.com/tools/whois/lookup/redfox.bz - shows:

Domain Name: redfox.bz
Create Date: 2016-02-28
Update Date: 2024-06-05
Expiry Date: 2025-02-28

Domain Registrar:
Registrar Name: TUCOWS, INC.
WHOIS Server: whois.tucows.com
Website URL: http://tucowsdomains.com

Tucows is a domain registering site and is based in Canada

Registrant Contact:
Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Company: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
State: Charlestown
Zip Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Country Name: Saint Kitts and Nevis

Charlestown is the capital of the islands of Saint Kitts and Nevis.

TUCOWS, INC.
Name Servers
1-you.njalla.no
2-can.njalla.in
3-get.njalla.fo

These name severs all end up in the country of Laos. They are another domain registering site but seem to be adamant about privacy to or almost clandestiness.

TUCOWS, INC.
Domain Status
client Transfer Prohibited
client Update Prohibited

It was first reported that Redfox went offline on the 5th of June. The Tucows Update Date: 2024-06-05. Is this coincidental? Did the site owner of redfox.bz not pay the domain costs and the domain suspended?

https://web.archive.org/web/20240604201025/https://forum.redfox.bz/

This is the last capture on 4th of June 2024. But there is no announcement of closing down or moving.

Tucows state a scenario in which they suspend domain names: When a court order arrives, dictating action, we can be confident that a domain has transgressed the law. A Google search found no AACS lawsuit against RedFox listed on the Internet.

[SamuriHL]

Since we're playing more speculation games...

AACS isn't the only organization that would potentially have a vested interest in shutting redfox down. One might argue that anystream could also be a target for take down, which wouldn't have anything to do with the AACS LA. Now I don't have any idea what really happened, but if I had to guess, I wouldn't say this is an impossible scenario. I can't imagine tools like anystream made certain groups of people happy.

I will also say that a redfox mod posted on Reddit that just before the shutdown they were talking to devs about an upcoming beta of anystream that was going to be released that very week. More speculation would be if that was the case, why shutdown the site? And not just shut down... All dns records were deleted. Which suggests an intentional act rather than a technical issue. Surely they'd not do that if they were still working on a beta would they? Don't know.

But again this is all speculation. I doubt we'll ever know what actually happened.

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[coopervid]

Since we're playing more speculation games...

AACS isn't the only organization that would potentially have a vested interest in shutting redfox down. One might argue that anystream could also be a target for take down, which wouldn't have anything to do with the AACS LA. Now I don't have any idea what really happened, but if I had to guess, I wouldn't say this is an impossible scenario. I can't imagine tools like anystream made certain groups of people happy.

I will also say that a redfox mod posted on Reddit that just before the shutdown they were talking to devs about an upcoming beta of anystream that was going to be released that very week. More speculation would be if that was the case, why shutdown the site? And not just shut down... All dns records were deleted. Which suggests an intentional act rather than a technical issue. Surely they'd not do that if they were still working on a beta would they? Don't know.

But again this is all speculation. I doubt we'll ever know what actually happened.

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I was told what happened but it doesn't matter. Some institution didn't like it and took severe measures. Not the one you mentioned. But all doesn't matter. Redfox is gone . Most likely only software located in Russia or China will survive in the long run.

[WSC4]

I was told what happened but it doesn't matter. Some institution didn't like it and took severe measures.

What happened does matter and should be in the public domain. Can you let us know please? Can you name the institution or consortium that has shut down https://www.redfox.bz please?

[Treaties Of Warp]

It very much does matter.

What institution or group was involved?

Define "severe measures".

How are you privy to this information?

[ron spencer]

I was told what happened but it doesn't matter. Some institution didn't like it and took severe measures. Not the one you mentioned. But all doesn't matter. Redfox is gone . Most likely only software located in Russia or China will survive in the long run.


Please, if you have information let everyone know. Unless some threats have been made to you or something.

Many thanks

[kurkosdr]

How are you privy to this information?
He isn't, the source of his information is PIDOOMA.

If there were legal threats by some institution, there would be some kind of paper trail. Legal threats usually come with a paper trail.

[SamuriHL]

You all do realize that he was a mod on Redfox right? You should listen to him. And stop pressing him to reveal more than he has.

[ron spencer]

You all do realize that he was a mod on Redfox right? You should listen to him. And stop pressing him to reveal more than he has.

Then he can just say something like "due to legal reasons I can't say anything else."

He opened the door. That would close it.

[SamuriHL]

You are not entitled to more than he was willing to say. No matter how many people demand it.

[ron spencer]

You are not entitled to more than he was willing to say. No matter how many people demand it.

Are you speaking for him? If so even more interesting....

[SamuriHL]

I'm not speaking for anyone. I'm telling you my thoughts. You aren't required to like them.

[ron spencer]

No worries....if more info is given great, if not, then that's the way it goes.

[cartman0208]

Can't believe I didn't find this thread earlier ... Would have been a much more obvious choice than reddit :scared:

[SamuriHL]

ROFLMAO! Well, you found it now. :) Your post on Reddit was helpful.

[Treaties Of Warp]

If some company or institution made any kind of threats of violence or harm, or blackmailed them (i.e. "disappear and we won't do X") then that is illegal as f**k and the information should be made public. Just my opinion.

[cartman0208]

If coopervid says the reason is not for public use, then it is that way. He's been a mod way longer than me.
But I'd really like to stay in touch with the guys because IMO it was a fine community. :cool:

[WSC4]

You all do realize that he was a mod on Redfox right?

No, I did not know that. And I see on this page that you and cartman0208 (reddit posts) were also former moderators at Redfox. That is good to know. I hope you guys can get inside info on exactly what happened as this rolls on.

@coopervid. That institution that didn't like Redfox and took severe measures. Would it be BREIN by any chance? Hostinger in Lithuania could have been ordered to remove the domain.

https://torrentfreak.com/brein-pulled-610-pirate-sites-and-services-offline-last-year-240607/